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2207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-16T23:12:43.2740000-05:00https://github.com/sm00th/bitlbee-discord
3207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-16T23:26:12.9590000-05:00https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/2v2jce/irc_client_for_commodore_64/
4207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-16T23:29:31.5120000-05:00https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki-Recent_Changes-IRCBot
5207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-16T23:31:49.0860000-05:00https://github.com/earwig/earwigbot
6189645236908064768themitch222017-04-20T21:35:14.3590000-05:00Found the overflow of the c128https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/304807261639933952/JPEG_20170420_213449.jpg?ex=67b937e2&is=67b7e662&hm=398230536623cf7377d0f4887a8163a53fde81f2c9855b47641948c427ff9a19&
7207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-21T09:07:47.4110000-05:00lol
8207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-21T09:07:55.7500000-05:00what was the program listing?
9189645236908064768themitch222017-04-21T20:53:28.5980000-05:00x = x * 2
10207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-24T14:09:14.7300000-05:00def fn fib(x) = x * x
11207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-24T14:09:35.2830000-05:00for x = 1 to 10000
12207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-24T14:09:42.2920000-05:00print fib(x)
13207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-24T14:09:46.2920000-05:00next x
14207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-24T14:09:48.6170000-05:00😃
15189645236908064768themitch222017-04-24T14:57:18.9940000-05:00What's the program it's displaying now
16189645236908064768themitch222017-04-24T14:57:33.8370000-05:00It looks pretty cool
17189645236908064768themitch222017-04-24T14:58:05.0810000-05:00I'll see if I can get a cheap sd card from tanners and figure out the floppy drive adapter thing
18207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-24T16:36:32.8610000-05:00the one kimbers wrote?!
19207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-24T16:36:59.6800000-05:00hit break a few times then return it should return back to the editor and then one can type `LIST`
20189645236908064768themitch222017-04-24T22:09:42.1200000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/306265486033813505/JPEG_20170424_220938.jpg?ex=67b93ff6&is=67b7ee76&hm=bd579b04d6231d833d01dfa7c7ddc0a2412a8f6825bfcaf4dfaea069568394f0&
21207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-25T08:45:34.2400000-05:00yeah that's the one
22207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-25T08:46:18.9690000-05:00catch me at the space after the python classes I'll show you how to bring up the code that's running and we can post a screenshot of it in here/on talk
23300465754439155712uglyknees2017-04-27T07:43:23.6750000-05:00I have a "oldish" mac. Not a Lisa not a box. Just a computer from long ago. Works. Sitting in a corner doing nothing. I was going to make it into a music station or a photo album but if you guys have a higher calling for it let me know
24300465754439155712uglyknees2017-04-27T07:44:21.3410000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/307134878003232768/image.png?ex=67b9c6a5&is=67b87525&hm=3034157e7c76b508ca292c50009803145e1756aa538829982f21884ba6a925f0&
25189645236908064768themitch222017-04-27T17:22:08.2490000-05:00ooo
26189645236908064768themitch222017-04-27T17:22:17.9030000-05:00I liked that model iMac
27189645236908064768themitch222017-04-27T17:22:51.3800000-05:00It would be cool to replace with a raspberry pi 3 (which has way more processing power than the G4 I think)
28189645236908064768themitch222017-04-27T17:23:20.2720000-05:00but I have no plan on storing it not would VCC have space
29306868699422392320rshill_2017-04-28T09:41:55.3700000-05:00I have one of these! I've been thinking about doing something with it..
30207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-28T17:24:13.9640000-05:00@uglyknees I have the storage space and we can do an imac piece in q3
31207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-28T17:24:48.8300000-05:00@themitch22 actually the g4 would be about as powerful or more so than a rpi
32207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-28T17:25:32.6330000-05:00https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1429312?tstart=0
33207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-28T17:25:56.0630000-05:00maxes out at 2gb (might be able to do more with tweaking and running puppy linux)
34207961619538378762denzuko2017-04-28T17:28:01.8330000-05:00you know what... lets do a pc drag race 😉 we'll benchmark both and see which "retro"/"vintage" pc can go toe to toe with a rpi
35307208569751601165paulmofyourhand2017-05-01T17:00:00.9960000-05:00Updated my nes arcade stick with Bluetooth, lipo, and charger. Wired up the power switch to the slide switch on top. Going to finish and sell this then build another one with a pi inside
36307208569751601165paulmofyourhand2017-05-01T17:00:54.6350000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/308724490769268736/image.jpg?ex=67b9a056&is=67b84ed6&hm=7b443b6b355a82a3a32abcc2c136972b253dcf6e8f9c7c9cdaa4c1ba47ecbb3a&
37307208569751601165paulmofyourhand2017-05-01T17:01:19.2430000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/308724594414452736/image.jpg?ex=67b9a06f&is=67b84eef&hm=e7417f9420abd0ff4da32e03af1750b7b847560912ae3c7a65a2628930fec252&
38194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-01T17:04:00.0620000-05:00nice!
39207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-01T18:31:00.4000000-05:00I'm down for buying it, if it has a pi zero w and solar charging to the lipo
40207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-01T18:32:10.0430000-05:00ok ok.. maybe I just want a cyberdeck that's a rpi zero w with solar charging and a large lipo
41207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-01T18:33:21.6030000-05:00http://gizmodo.com/heres-a-pretty-legit-gibsonian-cyberdeck-1787039243
42308973498871578634dave019722017-05-02T10:42:40.4070000-05:00Hi guys,
43308973498871578634dave019722017-05-02T10:48:10.0650000-05:00The North Dallas Area Retrocomputer meetup group meets three or four times a year at the Makerspace. There is a good representation of Makerspace members in the meetup, but it's a good mix of folks, including some who drive from as far away as Houston. We have diverse interests and there's usually a good mix of retrocomputers to talk about and demonstrate. Members are invited to bring something for show-and-tell, or just to stop by and chew the fat. We are scheduling a summer meetup, and so far the best dates are looking like July 15 or July 29. July 22 is excluded because that conflicts with KansasFest. I invite you all to join. It's not necessary to join the meetup, but it helps to join and RSVP, for pizza planning purposes.👍 (1)
44308973498871578634dave019722017-05-02T10:49:35.4450000-05:00https://www.meetup.com/North-Dallas-Area-Retro-Computing/
45189645236908064768themitch222017-05-03T01:28:32.1320000-05:00Is the 8bitguy going to be there?
46309079425679360000raymond0119052017-05-03T01:43:59.0090000-05:00he was at my house last week. look for a future video with a suitcase sized cp/m portable. 😃😃 (1)
47309079425679360000raymond0119052017-05-03T01:45:35.5970000-05:00i was the guy in his c128 video that was using the logic probe to troubleshoot and repair it
48207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-03T17:31:19.6300000-05:00I find it interesting/ironic he did a c128 video the same week we got c128 books and materials in the museum.
49194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-04T18:42:27.4670000-05:00I'm in search of 4-5 floppy disks
50194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-04T18:42:37.0250000-05:00Preferably unmarked
51309079425679360000raymond0119052017-05-04T18:43:45.1480000-05:008"? 5.25? 3.5? DD? HD? hard sectored? soft sectored? etc...
52194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-04T18:44:17.4520000-05:00Geez
53194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-04T18:44:20.4010000-05:00Uhh
54194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-04T18:44:27.4660000-05:003.5 probably.
55194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-04T18:44:51.8870000-05:00I have to counterfeit a prop in a war game
56309079425679360000raymond0119052017-05-04T18:46:00.1420000-05:00Color?
57309079425679360000raymond0119052017-05-04T18:46:13.6050000-05:00i have a bunch but won't be back until the weekend
58300083517877125121andrew51522017-05-04T18:47:08.4650000-05:00I'll check my stash, but honestly, unmarked is unlikely (and my stash is not what it once was)
59194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-04T18:49:44.6840000-05:00I can probably sticker over them. It's for wasteland so they will probably get dirtied up
60194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-04T18:50:16.5860000-05:00I'm still waiting to hear back about color. They were apparently lost 2 years ago.
61194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-04T18:50:30.3690000-05:00*I'm* gonna be the one who finds them
62194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-04T18:51:11.4000000-05:00I already made nuke codes that they are searching for
63194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-04T18:54:11.2460000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/309840161791803395/oldcodes.png?ex=67b9bae3&is=67b86963&hm=ee53be1bd90c982ff59ca506991b625a0e7991a83aca1ccc90d8f0b2e81b55d8&👌 (1)
64194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-04T18:54:12.5110000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/309840167613628426/new_codesfixed.PNG?ex=67b9bae4&is=67b86964&hm=3fbae4cd253a48b8a2ebb6a87d737cdafb13d16abb08010adc106731c7732583&
65207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-05T12:32:34.3830000-05:00I may have one or two.. let me check the inventory
66207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-05T12:34:16.7320000-05:00are you using them just as a prop or need to write data to them?
67207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-05T12:34:35.4160000-05:00if your doing just a prop then amazon has https://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Coaster-Diskette-Novelty-Non-slip/dp/B00R87RPX8/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1494005608&sr=8-13&keywords=floppy
68207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-05T12:34:51.3230000-05:00(still going to check the inventory though)
69194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-05T12:51:10.5760000-05:00It would be awesome if we could keep it working. I want to put a copy of missile command on it if possible
70308973498871578634dave019722017-05-05T14:03:21.1560000-05:008bitguy is in the meetup group, so there's a chance. Once the date is set, folks can RSVP through meetup, and you can see who plans to show up.
71308973498871578634dave019722017-05-05T14:54:26.8010000-05:00The Meetup is scheduled for July 22, 2017 from 3-6pm at the Makerspace interactive classroom. Any kind of show and tell is welcome. Or just come to shoot the breeze with other retrocomputing nerds. This is a diverse group of hobbyists, so we see the popular machines (apple,atari,commodore,etc.), but also some S-100 systems, single-board computers, foreign somputers, and other neat, unusual stuff.
72308973498871578634dave019722017-05-05T14:55:21.2770000-05:00I think it would be cool to have a "repair table" set up, to bring in and discuss works in progress as well.
73309079425679360000raymond0119052017-05-05T15:53:36.9160000-05:00I'll have to see if I can make it in July. I'm happy to set up a repair table and bring up one of my solder stations, logic probe, and tools/parts. 😃
74308973498871578634dave019722017-05-05T23:41:22.9110000-05:00Got the date wrong, sorry. It's July 29. July 22 conflicts with KansasFest, and some members will be going.
75308973498871578634dave019722017-05-05T23:42:51.1080000-05:00@Raymond--That would be awesome.
76303701263860760579missydee120649742017-05-06T07:15:23.5940000-05:00KansasFest? The band or the state?
77309079425679360000raymond0119052017-05-06T07:29:57.9940000-05:00state... it's a bit retro apple thing
78294269552705929216limeytx2017-05-07T08:43:06.6770000-05:00@pearce pearce, did you get discs yet? I should be at the space later today and have a bunch
79207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-08T11:15:24.0880000-05:00!help
80207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-08T11:15:28.1570000-05:00hmm..
81207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-08T11:15:34.3540000-05:00!budget
82194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-08T11:46:33.6320000-05:00No, still don't have info on what color we needed
83303588661855911946mr.clark61472017-05-08T13:51:30.8200000-05:00Is there any chance any of you have enough pull with someone at IBM to convince them that Lotus Notes is a vintage program and should be permanently retired from general use and relegated to museums and interactive displays, freeing us from it's ever-crashing nonsense?
84207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-08T15:49:46.6460000-05:00@mr.clark6147 sadly no.. they like it way too much despite even the majority of IBM says its legacy and needs to be deprecated. I think it would be easier to convince end users to switch to something better than to convince big blue thier wrong.
85207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-08T17:27:14.9790000-05:00Finally!! an arm board with 8Gb of DDR4 ram and 256 CUDA cores: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813190007&ignorebbr=1
86207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-08T17:57:23.8930000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/311275422295785472/FB_IMG_1494284210165.jpg?ex=67b9ad93&is=67b85c13&hm=42efe9bac72326f15a0a2d42ec5cd7affea42cc7164d01efa8388a27122b7b5b&😻 (1)
87300465754439155712uglyknees2017-05-12T21:53:08.7230000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org I'm just now seeing this. If you can use it I don't mind donating it.
88207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-12T22:03:18.8840000-05:00all donations are welcome
89207961619538378762denzuko2017-05-12T22:04:18.2090000-05:00I'll be by the space tomorrow afternoon and Tuesday evening
90309079425679360000raymond0119052017-05-15T09:07:51.1980000-05:00The only thing that keeps Lotus Notes from dying is corporate users who have integrated apps using it. takes too much work to get migrated.
91189645236908064768themitch222017-05-15T19:51:01.6900000-05:00Eww lotus notes
92194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-16T20:30:56.4380000-05:00Back on the floppies question. Any way I can get 4 black floppies?
93300083517877125121andrew51522017-05-17T07:15:02.6120000-05:00@pearce Here's what I have in my stash. If you really want black, I have plenty, but none without labels. If you want other colors, what you see is what I have.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/314375258318831616/floppies.jpg?ex=67b9bfc6&is=67b86e46&hm=c4e526e1b42e67c4856b840696eda32a7b0251d68254c1fc9f1c4b4f98a119ae&
94294269552705929216limeytx2017-05-17T10:57:37.4540000-05:00I have blue and grey discs if needed
95309079425679360000raymond0119052017-05-17T11:02:48.8970000-05:00I should have some NOS black disks. I know I have a lot of other bright colors too.
96194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-05-17T18:44:32.3830000-05:00Since we can't get any​ info on the ones I'm trying to replace, I'm just going to stick to black disks
97207961619538378762denzuko2017-06-01T09:54:45.3890000-05:00right so.. are there any items that we need to put on the agenda for vcc's meeting?
98207961619538378762denzuko2017-06-01T09:56:24.6030000-05:00Personally, I think what we can run on the raspberry pi cluster being one of them and also discussion on our 6502 project would be another.
99316743508348108810err4nt2017-06-03T11:01:18.6470000-05:00Sadly I won't be able to make the next vintage computing meet, conflicts with defcon. 😦
100308357148750905345mrcity2017-06-05T22:14:01.9590000-05:00Well @errant there seem to be 2 meetups, Dave's at DMS and then one that Rob Ivy is putting together on Facebook down in Ft Worth some other time in July I think
101207961619538378762denzuko2017-06-12T09:50:03.0150000-05:00compute grid being installed tonighthttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/323836352460357632/IMG_20170612_094826.jpg?ex=67b93b5b&is=67b7e9db&hm=20a7a5aef9d75c95b551ced6c3398de544ab0d48595f7659cf77f4fabddfc618&☝ (1)
102207961619538378762denzuko2017-06-12T14:41:21.6820000-05:00Brand new Newsletter: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-developments-and-grid-computing/22489
103207961619538378762denzuko2017-06-12T18:50:08.0780000-05:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G8nn2lE23Y1
104207961619538378762denzuko2017-06-16T08:52:45.4070000-05:00@Ashley_Newland any plans to add a login to the sign or could the committee login to the pi ourselves?
105300086522961461248ashley_newland85862017-06-16T13:01:46.3990000-05:00@denzuko what sign? :o
106207961619538378762denzuko2017-06-16T16:59:36.9360000-05:00the digital one which got left for Vintage Computers
107207961619538378762denzuko2017-06-16T17:03:50.0330000-05:00you know signpi
108300086522961461248ashley_newland85862017-06-16T19:16:46.6950000-05:00I'll add it to my to do list! Do you just go to the website on the sign to set one up?
109207961619538378762denzuko2017-06-23T21:33:40.7480000-05:00I'll be able to do that in a few minutes if I had login info for the pi
110207961619538378762denzuko2017-07-18T10:25:33.7520000-05:00SNMP monitoring script template https://hastebin.com/kumunubaqe.bash
111207961619538378762denzuko2017-07-18T10:27:07.7040000-05:00https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/an-introduction-to-snmp-simple-network-management-protocol
112207961619538378762denzuko2017-07-18T10:27:38.3260000-05:00https://www.dev-eth0.de/blog/2016/12/06/grafana_snmp.html
113207961619538378762denzuko2017-07-18T10:28:43.9460000-05:00Thinking about doing a class on scada/IoT using snmp as the message bus
114207961619538378762denzuko2017-07-18T10:31:17.4070000-05:00note to self: read up on https://dzone.com/articles/restful-snmp-over-http to create a snmp restful api to do snmp set and json results
115207961619538378762denzuko2017-08-01T14:19:46.0360000-05:00@here anyone up for a vintage lanparty?
116207961619538378762denzuko2017-08-07T13:16:59.5990000-05:00New Article on Telegraf, Grafana, and Influxdb is up on our Hackday site. https://hackaday.io/page/3579-introduction-to-tigk-stack-for-iot
117207961619538378762denzuko2017-08-07T13:49:57.2850000-05:00because who needs vim: https://www.etsy.com/listing/208258132/emacs-keyboard?&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_a-electronics_and_accessories-computers_and_peripherals-other&utm_custom1=09b0354a-039c-46e8-8e48-3562ac9926f0&gclid=Cj0KCQjwn6DMBRC0ARIsAHZtCeNV2XDpnhKldj4DSJya4aGnQnH86YghSb_eYiuayBFdUCWz7BoYR6UaAuWeEALw_wcB
118189645236908064768themitch222017-08-08T08:37:20.7120000-05:00Nice Amiga, any plans for it @Denzuko.sdf.org ?
119207961619538378762denzuko2017-08-08T10:34:18.7450000-05:00Yes, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIX
120207961619538378762denzuko2017-08-08T10:34:58.4610000-05:00then running http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/current.html
121207961619538378762denzuko2017-08-08T10:35:25.6480000-05:00and http://k4kpk.com/notes-on-aprs-kiss-and-setting-up-a-tnc-x-igate-and-digipeater
122207961619538378762denzuko2017-08-08T10:37:12.7460000-05:00Bill is still working on his python project, Would you don't mind I'd like to keep the c128 at the space where both bill, the membership and yourself has access to it?
123207961619538378762denzuko2017-08-11T14:40:05.3000000-05:00http://blog.kihltech.com/2012/12/sata-hotswap-drive-in-mdadm-raid-array/👌 (1)
124325498566762299393mizgeek2017-08-11T22:49:14.0330000-05:00Is the king of vintage computing around tonight?
125207961619538378762denzuko2017-08-13T23:41:34.8220000-05:00Lol. I'm usually there Tuesday and Thursday
126207961619538378762denzuko2017-08-16T12:11:01.4740000-05:00Recreated the wall admin app in under 30mins using react, rethinkdb/horizon and its got more features under the hood. Check it out at https://solaris-daplanet.c9users.io/
127207961619538378762denzuko2017-08-16T12:11:55.6190000-05:00code is available: https://ide.c9.io/daplanet/solaris
128207961619538378762denzuko2017-09-29T20:40:53.9170000-05:00https://blog.docker.com/2017/09/introducing-docker-global-professional-certification-program/
129294269552705929216limeytx2017-10-17T19:18:04.1780000-05:00Hey @Denzuko.sdf.org I tried to connect to minecraft server, getting connection errors
130207961619538378762denzuko2017-10-18T21:50:00.4880000-05:00@Limey (MReynolds) made a few updates, any luck connecting?
131294269552705929216limeytx2017-10-18T21:50:59.1080000-05:00i'll give it another go
132207961619538378762denzuko2017-10-18T21:51:13.7630000-05:00righty oh
133207961619538378762denzuko2017-10-18T21:52:22.0780000-05:00@here ok, so it's gut check time. How do you guys feel VCC has done over the past year and is there anything we could do better?
134294269552705929216limeytx2017-10-18T23:52:32.4040000-05:00It worked for a short time. Had issues breaking blocks even outside of starting area. Then the server crasehd 😃
135207961619538378762denzuko2017-10-19T00:11:17.1330000-05:00.. bollocks
136207961619538378762denzuko2017-10-19T00:11:49.2010000-05:00I'll look over the logs and see what can be done
137194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-10-19T00:43:32.6310000-05:00We noticed with overwatch the DMS router software would only let us play for about 15 mins and then it wouldnt let us connect to servers
138194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-10-19T00:43:44.3130000-05:00Something with pfsense.
139194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-10-19T00:44:09.7310000-05:00And they didn't care to look into it because we were told we shouldn't be playing games at the space
140207961619538378762denzuko2017-10-19T00:45:29.6490000-05:00I'm aware of that one, it's more about preventing piracy than not allowing gaming at the space.
141207961619538378762denzuko2017-10-19T00:46:09.6600000-05:00are you guys connecting from home or while at the space?
142194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-10-19T00:51:10.0310000-05:00I haven't tried Minecraft
143194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-10-19T00:52:23.1720000-05:00Sure doesn't sound like trying to prevent piracy when you are told "you shouldn't be playing games at the space" I know you can allow ports to go through as well.
144207961619538378762denzuko2017-10-19T00:55:59.3980000-05:00wouldn't know anything about that. I've seen a lot of people playing games at the space. Blizzard just tends to use udp for it's protocol and BitTorrent to transfer game files. While most other games like Minecraft uses TCP the same protocol which web and ssh uses.
145207961619538378762denzuko2017-10-19T01:00:57.1760000-05:00@Limey (MReynolds) how about yourself, are you connecting from the space or elsewhere?
146294269552705929216limeytx2017-10-19T01:01:35.9330000-05:00Connecting from home
147294269552705929216limeytx2017-10-19T01:02:42.3320000-05:00Heck we play Artemis and Empty Epsilon at the space lol
148294269552705929216limeytx2017-10-19T01:03:12.6410000-05:00I guess those stay on lan tho
149194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-10-19T01:03:38.0840000-05:00So could the request be made that it get unblocked and if it becomes an issue and you see a user transferring tons of data you deal with it then?
150194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-10-19T01:03:57.7860000-05:00I see no reason to punish everyone for something that "may" happen
151207961619538378762denzuko2017-10-19T01:06:07.9860000-05:00@pearce feel free to put it on the issue tracker, however it would be easier to get a openvpn setup and play ones games over that while at the space
152207961619538378762denzuko2017-10-19T02:05:58.5810000-05:00ok, checked the logs and not seeing anything there. @Limey (MReynolds) when you break blocks do they kind of glitch like it's broken but still there then drops the item as normal?
153207961619538378762denzuko2017-10-28T22:56:03.3480000-05:00happy Halloween everyone https://youtu.be/zmcUOXQy_zM
154240634037998190592jestersforge74942017-10-29T14:26:27.2730000-05:00🤘
155207961619538378762denzuko2017-10-31T16:04:15.9870000-05:00How's the MC server holding up?
156294269552705929216limeytx2017-10-31T18:37:39.9400000-05:00Didn't get a chance to use it this weekend, i'll log in and see
157207961619538378762denzuko2017-11-03T15:09:35.4830000-05:00@Limey (MReynolds) got you opt as admin and the default game mode is now creative
158294269552705929216limeytx2017-11-03T15:27:11.2960000-05:00Sweet. Is anyone else logging in?
159207961619538378762denzuko2017-11-03T16:21:29.4930000-05:00didn't see any one
160300084951594958849jphelps2017-11-06T08:45:35.0240000-06:00Any recomendations on a version of Minecraft to buy? Android vs MAC/PC vs PS4?
161207961619538378762denzuko2017-11-08T13:20:21.6440000-06:00@jphelps Since I'm a fan of Computercraft (thus by extension ae2+solar flux+rf windmills+enderio) and Web Display Mod which allows one to program in game to interact with real world systems and apis I'd have to say Forge MC on pc. Examples of why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG6RpfB14_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpqOv7SxkHA
162207961619538378762denzuko2017-11-08T13:29:40.6580000-06:00of course there's cheaty but impressive kind of things like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZQL2_i2Z3w
163300084951594958849jphelps2017-11-10T07:41:42.7500000-06:00OK. So purchase Minecraft PC and then you have all these moding options, like Forge?
164214877587170656256blknitemn2017-11-10T08:08:03.7740000-06:00forge is a server side mod loader
165214877587170656256blknitemn2017-11-10T08:08:43.7060000-06:00tekkit pack has a lot of premade easy to use mod packs, and what I like to use
166121823075548266496shdragon2017-11-10T09:44:06.5140000-06:00tl;dr - Yes. The PC/Mac version is much more easily moddable than any console or portable version. ( Also the Win10 version is the same as the console/portable version and is also difficult to mod )
167300084951594958849jphelps2017-11-10T14:37:42.9640000-06:00Ah, so the Java edition is the way to go and I presume Linux works well too. Thanks!
168214877587170656256blknitemn2017-11-10T14:38:34.2080000-06:00the java version works on any system that allows java to be installed (so yes, you can run it on your favorite distro)
169207961619538378762denzuko2017-11-15T17:16:13.6360000-06:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/software-development-committee-initial-meeting/29020/21
170207961619538378762denzuko2017-11-15T17:17:41.2460000-06:00Looks like we'll be renaming VCC to SP/IT and vintage computer will live on as a permanent SIG under the same committee.
171194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-11-15T17:19:10.0460000-06:00spit?
172194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-11-15T17:19:26.5060000-06:00dont leave any buckets in your area
173207961619538378762denzuko2017-11-15T17:19:57.8340000-06:00We'll also now get to do some great work with Civic Hacking, and some gaming too
174207961619538378762denzuko2017-11-15T17:21:41.4530000-06:00lol, came out of suggestions form the board. It stands for Software, Programming, & IT. But I like it for the troll factor, kind of. if you guys have better ideas best speak up?
175194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-11-15T17:22:55.5670000-06:00@minecraft server is back up
176194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-11-15T17:23:06.5540000-06:00oops wrong discord server
177207961619538378762denzuko2017-11-15T17:23:15.6880000-06:00lol
178207961619538378762denzuko2017-11-15T17:24:23.6830000-06:00have been on the DMS or the holiday one lately, anything cool on either one?
179194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-11-15T17:24:40.7370000-06:00i didnt know the dms one was still up,
180194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-11-15T17:24:48.3450000-06:00havent been on the holiday one
181207961619538378762denzuko2017-11-15T17:26:22.6020000-06:00yeah it's on some PI at the space and the holiday one is at dms-holiday-minecraft.herokuapp.com
182194641296529424386canibalcrab2017-11-15T17:54:02.8030000-06:00nice.
183123894152260878346conic2018-01-02T18:43:31.4580000-06:00Reportin for duty
184123894152260878346conic2018-01-02T18:43:50.3940000-06:00http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/
185207961619538378762denzuko2018-01-07T19:05:45.4150000-06:00/me pops in to say hi
186123894152260878346conic2018-01-09T09:10:30.8600000-06:00hi
187207961619538378762denzuko2018-01-10T17:51:36.2950000-06:00paging VCC
188207961619538378762denzuko2018-01-10T17:51:59.3880000-06:00is there any Agenda items to go over?
189207961619538378762denzuko2018-01-10T17:52:35.0650000-06:00or are we happy with keeping the blinking light desk and old computer?
190207961619538378762denzuko2018-01-10T17:53:09.4160000-06:00also who's available and willing to join in for a committee project?
191194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-01-10T18:34:28.6240000-06:00Need a project? The discord bot is open source and needs to learn cool tricks like !membersdms (2)
192194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-01-10T18:35:10.7750000-06:00@aceat64 what's the bot github link?
193115183069555589125aceat642018-01-10T19:02:20.0450000-06:00!about
194306874939535917066dallas-makerspace#47632018-01-10T19:02:20.2860000-06:00I'm the friendly bot for managing various automatic rules and features of the Dallas Makerspace Discord chat server. I understand the following commands: `!about` or `!commands` - This about message. `!help` - Request help from volunteers, for example `!help I can't access the fileserver` will send a request to the active volunteers. `!volunteer` - Add yourself to the list of active volunteers, gain access to post in the #deleted-channel channel. `!unvoluntter` - Remove yourself from the list of active volunteers and stop receiving notifcations. `!volunteers` - List the active volunteers. `!members` - Show the total number of active DMS members. `!8ball` - Ask the magic 8 ball a question. `!random` - Request a random number, chosen by fair dice roll. If I'm not working correctly or you'd like to help improve me, please join the #infrastructure channel. My source code is available at: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot.
195371416661040955403talkers2018-01-11T14:12:44.5230000-06:00!volunteers
196207961619538378762denzuko2018-01-19T01:50:07.3280000-06:00wait.. did the channel name change?!
197371416661040955403talkers2018-01-19T02:23:15.9430000-06:00It's back
198207961619538378762denzuko2018-01-19T02:33:20.0610000-06:00lol.. hey I don't mind it being computer committee just was surprised that's all. hell VCC computer committee makes more sense ;)
199371416661040955403talkers2018-01-19T03:01:46.4630000-06:00Except you use computer twice
200207961619538378762denzuko2018-01-19T03:58:10.8790000-06:00so does GNU
201194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-01-19T20:25:45.0420000-06:00and atm
202207961619538378762denzuko2018-01-26T19:35:22.1500000-06:00@john a gorman could we grab a moment after the meeting? I'd love to have your advice on something
203207961619538378762denzuko2018-03-12T14:42:35.5100000-05:00guys, any thoughts about when we can do the next machine learning meeting at the space?
204207961619538378762denzuko2018-03-21T16:04:10.9770000-05:00Looks like some fine members has been submitting honoriums to VCC recently. We now have a small budget for a project that benefits the space.
205207961619538378762denzuko2018-03-21T16:17:05.7930000-05:00What that means to the committee? well naturally, send in your project ideas so we can get it funded and built.
206385477767179010049stephenie.2018-03-21T17:52:21.9440000-05:00This year VCC has been gifted a $50 honorarium from Kee Fedak and another $50 from Laser & @john a gorman . Total $100.
207207961619538378762denzuko2018-03-23T13:11:49.1320000-05:00x-posting: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/notice-committee-meeting-scheudled/33625/2
208207961619538378762denzuko2018-03-28T10:48:09.8370000-05:00DMS hosted cloud based ide for testing : http://ide.dms.local:50384/
209207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-03T21:03:42.1130000-05:002600 meeting is this Friday
210207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-03T21:04:08.7930000-05:00catch us in irc and discord https://discord.gg/9hABUzz
211207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T20:37:35.4810000-05:00@here we had a lot of success doing our last meeting so going forward I'll have a live stream on here. If everyone could join in the voice channel we'll get started
212207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T20:41:26.7020000-05:00@Draco am I coming in?
213262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:41:49.4630000-05:00Yes I hear you
214262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:42:14.0670000-05:00Alright .. who all is there?
215262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:42:51.3520000-05:00I skimmed it but I would like to read it again now
216262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:44:54.8570000-05:00I'm not seeing the link anymore .. I don't see it on https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/VCC#2018
217262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:45:31.2140000-05:00ohh ok
218262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:45:31.8530000-05:00https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Vintage_Computer_Committee_Meeting_20180404
219207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T20:45:31.9550000-05:00https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Vintage_Computer_Committee_Meeting_20180411
220308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T20:45:34.1240000-05:00Stan & I are waiting for @Denzuko.sdf.org at DMS lecture hall ;)
221207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T20:46:45.3350000-05:00Hi guys, I'll be remote today since I couldn't get a lyft in time and the last meeting went surprisingly well when done digitally.
222207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T20:47:03.0600000-05:00If we'd like to setup a pc for streaming that would be helpful
223308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T20:47:56.4040000-05:00Stan says several people were here for your 7:00 infrastructure development meeting ;)
224207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T20:48:32.3740000-05:00we'll talk about that one after wards
225262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:49:02.4410000-05:00Hey Steven
226262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:49:33.8730000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org .. you are echoing .. do you have something coming through there?
227262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:50:05.7880000-05:00@mrcity .. I need to type so I will be typing here
228262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:50:26.9050000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org I can barely here you because of the background echo
229262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:50:45.1400000-05:00hear
230262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:52:15.7140000-05:00I heard my name.. but I still can't understand you
231262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:52:20.1700000-05:00mrcity is coming in great
232207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T20:52:39.0330000-05:00right. do you have any comments on what is being proposed?
233262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:52:44.4580000-05:00No not yet
234262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:53:12.8490000-05:00Yup 😃
235262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T20:54:25.2010000-05:00That is a little better
236308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T20:54:44.4540000-05:00Guess I should have brought headphones
237308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T20:56:04.3100000-05:00Hmm, the museum...
238207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T20:56:22.4910000-05:00clear to talk
239207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T20:57:46.9390000-05:00yes
240207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T20:59:25.2550000-05:00I like that idea, how could we make it more lively and engaging?
241207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:00:21.6790000-05:00good ideas
242308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T21:00:56.3530000-05:00Just for posterity, basically having retro game tournaments and some programming sessions
243308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T21:01:20.9060000-05:00We need a hacker type like Rachel Simone Weil to be using it on a regular basis and do cool stuff ;)
244308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T21:01:51.3020000-05:00If only David Murray weren't all the way in Fort Worth, we could encourage him to work on some of his Commodore games over here
245308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T21:02:55.6600000-05:00Weird, I can't mute myself here?
246207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:03:15.7490000-05:00Well I know Bill has been in contact with David and he's shown interest in being around the space a bit more
247308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T21:03:31.5400000-05:00Oh cool, that would be great
248207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:04:52.8790000-05:00we may need to defined this one a bit more outside of today's meeting but let me tail this with the next item
249207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:05:08.4390000-05:00Committee Instructors
250207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:07:30.7740000-05:00agreed
251207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:07:46.6150000-05:00and on that I figured we could do a instruct the instructor pool
252207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:08:47.0830000-05:00but also acknowledge the few volunteers that do not have the same skills in "retro" that we do and have them as SMEs
253207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:10:09.6730000-05:00great, any thoughts on how we could facilitate that?
254207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:11:06.0870000-05:00agreed
255207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:11:40.7670000-05:00I'll be glad to put something up on talk, do we have any volunteers for putting something together for in the museum?
256207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:16:57.5540000-05:00https://www.nomcon.org/#conference-section
257207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:23:00.6270000-05:00CLASS IDEA: fpga
258207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:28:03.0720000-05:00event: build night
259207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:28:53.5080000-05:00goal: solidify our presentation for nomcon
260308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T21:32:17.8150000-05:00Sorry, like I said, dunno how to mute myself on the voice channel.
261308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T21:35:01.3630000-05:00Also, no thoughts on the budget for the machinery you were describing. And are we running infrastructure separate from DMS for the VCC site?
262207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:35:31.3840000-05:00https://github.com/Vintage-Computer-Committee
263207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:35:41.3090000-05:00https://dmsvintagecomputers.com/
264308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T21:35:50.9700000-05:00Also you can un-mute me, I'm in the car heading back home. ;)
265207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:36:10.4580000-05:00site is hosted on github pages and dns is via cloudflare
266262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T21:36:37.0260000-05:00Is there a design document yet?
267207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:48:38.7830000-05:00putting to a vote, civic hacking becomes a sig under vcc?
268207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:53:42.1610000-05:00class idea: statistics class
269207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:54:13.5940000-05:00please vote in channel for documentation
270207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:54:25.8470000-05:00I vote pro
271207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T21:59:32.3760000-05:00class idea: a+ cert, security+ cert on the DMS calendar
272207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:01:16.1830000-05:00actionable Denzuko to put a Linux+ cert class
273207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:01:32.4480000-05:00instruct the instructor ^
274207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:01:45.7310000-05:00Committee project: Reach out to meetups
275207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:07:26.8230000-05:00idea: basic prep cert class, free. professional instructors teach the instructor pool
276207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:16:22.0860000-05:00actionable: post personvue's requirements for exam centerse
277207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:19:47.8580000-05:00telehack.org
278207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:23:28.2550000-05:00we're here
279262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T22:23:54.9540000-05:00@mycity .. are you there?
280308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T22:24:02.3690000-05:00Yes
281262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T22:24:08.0360000-05:00Can you hear us?
282308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-11T22:24:11.7490000-05:00No
283262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T22:24:16.3490000-05:00We are talking
284262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T22:24:26.2180000-05:00You might have to reconnect or something
285207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:24:55.3690000-05:00feedback
286207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:27:18.5470000-05:00discussion 9 is tabled for next meeting after we solidify the instructor pool
287207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:27:30.1940000-05:00@actionable put the CTF back on the calendar
288207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:27:39.3510000-05:00last item
289207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:27:55.1190000-05:00Wide Area Newtwork sig
290207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:34:09.8940000-05:00@actionable: community grid class, instruct the instructor
291207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T22:34:22.5210000-05:00@class idea: vagrant and docker
292262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T23:15:18.2940000-05:00http://c64upgra.de/c-one/
293207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-11T23:16:18.1450000-05:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUiNlmvVOq8
294262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T23:23:40.0820000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org It looks like the Commodore serial cable is for sale here .. http://www.vesalia.de/e_c64kabel[4635].htm
295262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T23:24:03.3600000-05:00You might buy a few
296262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T23:24:32.8750000-05:00Can you drive copy from a real drive to the SD card using some commodore software?
297262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T23:26:01.3060000-05:00Also, for the 128 to go 80 columns which we will need in CP/M .. it needs to use the RGBI connector
298262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T23:26:20.4100000-05:00I wonder if there is a converter to HDMI for that
299262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T23:27:51.7630000-05:00We may need to build this .. https://sites.google.com/site/h2obsession/CBM/C128/rgbi-to-vga
300262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-11T23:32:44.9650000-05:00I posted the above to talk https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/commodore-128-drives/34554
301262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T16:28:43.4750000-05:00Do we want https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Training_Development_SIG/ ? I'm not certain what it is yet
302207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-13T16:31:30.4210000-05:00roast training?! isn't that more to do with OSHA safety standards?
303262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T16:46:11.4120000-05:00I have no idea
304262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T16:47:56.0060000-05:00I've been thinking about the conference room .. I think we should try and get it
305262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T16:48:41.8440000-05:00I don't know the who, hows are whats
306262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T16:48:45.8240000-05:00in doing that
307207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-13T16:51:03.3360000-05:00it may take a little effort to present a strong case to logistics, and classroom but we should shoot for it
308262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T16:51:31.5810000-05:00Did you find that list of requirements for certifications
309262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T16:51:40.9290000-05:00certification testing
310262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T16:51:47.1730000-05:00that seems pretty strong
311262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T16:52:52.0090000-05:00But if we use it for that, can we use it for something else as well? In other words is it okay for it to be a multi-use room.. then the strongness sorta fades away
312207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-13T16:53:26.5630000-05:00https://home.pearsonvue.com/For-test-centers/Get-started.aspx
313207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-13T16:54:11.7230000-05:00no we could not use it for anything other than for exams or prep classes
314207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-13T16:55:19.1350000-05:00since there a lot of other class rooms we would still be able to hold classes and events outside of the certificate classes
315207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-13T16:55:38.0530000-05:00but that's a different topic
316262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T16:56:59.6280000-05:00``` Also, avoid placing the exam delivery room near an area where people gather, such as a student cafeteria or busy corridor. ```
317207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-13T16:59:15.2570000-05:00lol I've seen a few centers that have it right off the only "busy" corridor in the building. they just had a heavy door to drown out any sounds
318262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T17:03:34.4170000-05:00*nods*
319262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T17:05:24.5590000-05:00I'm looking at the requirements for seating and having a seperate area with lockers .. we don't have locking storage at the space unless we put some in.. this would have to go directly outside the room where the current area is ..
320207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-13T17:33:52.8890000-05:00those lockers by electricons meet the requirements just need a bit of hacking on the spi bus
321262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T18:51:53.5320000-05:00ahh I forgot about those
322262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T18:52:03.5810000-05:00nice
323262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T19:18:02.4410000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org I hope you don't mind me asking about the lockable storage to Art .. but as they are moving things around and expanding electronics .. I didn't want it to get tossed .. I just wanted them to be aware of our potental use
324207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-13T19:21:29.4330000-05:00no worries, I've had that talk before but it's smashing to have the rest of the committee talking to everyone about these sort of things
325207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-13T19:22:09.9310000-05:00and if Art can use the lockers then all the better
326262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T19:23:04.4760000-05:00Also, can I get on Team_VCC ?
327207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-13T19:23:18.5710000-05:00if not then we should figure out the details so they're not going to waste
328207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-13T19:23:49.5030000-05:00thought you were... let me look into that
329262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T19:24:12.5080000-05:00oh wait
330262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T19:24:15.7840000-05:00never mind
331262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-13T19:24:32.9270000-05:00yes I am ....
332207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-13T19:41:45.1020000-05:00lol
333207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-14T18:57:15.6560000-05:00I think I just found a great option for our FPGA needs
334207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-14T18:57:16.9390000-05:00https://www.tindie.com/products/tinyfpga/tinyfpga-b2/#🎖 (1)
335262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-14T19:44:40.7750000-05:00wow.. that is pretty amazing
336262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-14T19:47:42.0130000-05:00https://www.tindie.com/products/tinyfpga/tinyfpga-computer-project-board/
337207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-14T20:10:37.2920000-05:00I've been toying with the idea of having something able to dispense rpi's, esp8266, sdcards, and maybe that tinyfpga via a badge scan and paid with apple/android pay
338207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-14T20:10:50.9310000-05:00something like: https://www.ebay.com/itm/used-snack-mart-snack-vending-machine/292518966197?hash=item441b7d33b5:g:10QAAOSwfaBazTTQ
339207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-14T20:13:09.2680000-05:00the thought is so members could have access to equipment for iot, pc projects, and comptia cert classes
340194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-14T20:14:23.2340000-05:00oh man, we had a vending machine with tech stuff in it before, it will probably be a sore spot for a lot of people
341207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-14T20:14:56.2680000-05:00what happened?
342194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-14T20:15:26.6840000-05:00never got stocked, fixed, worked
343194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-14T20:16:21.9570000-05:00also it was some convoluted "loophole" to pay via webservice so it didnt count as a vending machine and he didnt have to deal with that legal stuff
344194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-14T20:17:41.1550000-05:00then when we had one that was owned by DMS, it wasnt managed well, or stocked with useful stuff that wasnt overpriced
345194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-14T20:18:10.2180000-05:00so we tried to let members stock stuff in it. then never really paid people when they sold stuff
346207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-14T20:19:11.8630000-05:00o.O.... yeah.. I can see where it would be a sore spot
347194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-14T20:19:51.5150000-05:00im not saying its a bad idea, i think it could be cool. but youll have an uphill battle ahead of you
348207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-14T20:26:39.7870000-05:00good to know and I think it would be a great addition to the space. Personally, since it would be a revenue stream for the committee and by extension to the space as a whole it should be managed 10x better than we do with the food vending machines. So I would lean on my business experience and make sure that our 99.9% uptime SLA to the membership is met plus, items would be reviewed/tracked for which are relevant and a vendor contract would be setup for items to be stocked regularly.
349207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-14T20:27:53.0620000-05:00Which for disclosure, Tanner's would actually be top on that list for the vendor deck to reach out to with the offer.
350262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-14T20:34:27.7980000-05:00Yes, it is one reason they went with the snack vendor that have now. Things never got bought or stocked. I would love to have a vending machine with all kinds of things like this in it. Perhaps there is a company willing to provide one and keep it stocked?
351262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-14T20:35:13.5600000-05:00SD cards, Batteries, Arduino, Rasp PI, Flash Drives, USB cables to name a few things
352262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-14T20:36:46.2660000-05:00Perhaps if you can provide the vending machine, Tanners would keep it stocked?
353194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-14T20:45:01.0390000-05:00That's possible
354194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-14T20:45:29.4360000-05:00Would you like me to float the idea to Jimmy Tanner to see what he thinks?
355262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-14T20:49:34.0860000-05:00I want to think it out a bit first but that sounds like a good step .. I would like to think of any other angles first before approching Tanners. Anyway with all this stuff about the board coming down on people for trying to negotiate, I wouldn't want you in trouble
356194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-14T20:51:08.5000000-05:00He's not a public official. I'm not worried about that. Let me know when and I can talk with him, I work with him a lot
357262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-14T20:51:25.9530000-05:00Oh is it just officials? oh ok
358262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-14T20:51:45.7660000-05:00Thanks for this .. yes, we will get back with you 😃
359262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-14T21:22:47.3720000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org Did you see the lockable storage thread on talk?
360306285952303759360davidkessinger97072018-04-14T21:54:00.0120000-05:00I personally have no problem with the idea of a vending machine that stocks parts that are highly used. Seeing if they are open to the idea is wort investigating. Some threshold issues: Who is going to pay for the vending machine? How is that cost going to be recovered or not? Where will it be located? Will just one vendor be able to stock in it? Who is responsible for any shrinkage. Also, I would expect that Tanners would charge a little more for the items as it now costs more to stock it: Labor/time to come over and refill machine, effort to get paid with that added delay. We've been talking with Fastenal about having them stock some of their vending machines. But the cost is fairly high with the guarantee. I know this discussion is about parts not food, however this may be relevant as they are the big reasons we have Parks is: • No minimum sales guarantee. DMS owes nothing to parks but space and electricity. • No shrinkage guarantee, which includes spoilage, which is important where fresh food is concerned. • No Term/contract Period, either Parks or DMS can terminate whenever they want. We aren’t forced to keep a company we aren’t happy with. • No anti-compete clauses - we can sell anything we want to compete with them or make whatever we want.😀 (2)
361432401820569042944kevpat2018-04-15T00:00:57.3030000-05:00There's an electronics meeting on space expansion tomorrow @4pm in purple. You could bring it up
362262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-16T20:54:52.6600000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org I am in the voice channel
363207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-17T10:51:15.4310000-05:00@Draco Sorry I was in transit and my phone died.
364262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-17T12:15:33.3900000-05:00Many drivers have power cables if you ask ... just a tip 😉
365207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-17T14:08:30.3960000-05:00yeah not on the red line
366207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-17T14:08:42.4390000-05:00but thanks for the tip
367207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-17T15:07:10.9360000-05:00Move template submittedhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/435894011174191105/committee_move_template_V1pt1_1.xlsx?ex=67b985ae&is=67b8342e&hm=7f477819a1b7ea7c2c455ff149a2454eadd58e46013f9418185687da73386818&
368207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-17T16:37:53.9330000-05:00on my way in
369207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-17T16:38:00.4100000-05:00see you guys in 90mins
370262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-17T16:55:22.4300000-05:00I'm going up there as well
371262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-17T18:25:16.9390000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org are u up at the space
372207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-17T18:37:16.5070000-05:00nearly there
373262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-17T23:09:15.0610000-05:00ok let me know when you get here
374207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T13:05:38.8270000-05:00Working on the operational plan for the next quarter, https://bmfiddle.com/f/#/Z5Vc8
375207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T13:06:26.4430000-05:00Marketing is not my straight; I'll admit to that.. so maybe we can help fill in the blanks?
376207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T13:06:40.1610000-05:00What type of relationships do our Customer Segments expect?
377262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-19T16:56:04.8250000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org ... Will we need storage to teach our prep-classes regardless of if we have on-site certifications?
378207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T17:15:05.5850000-05:00storage on site, or reliable transportation between the space and studio42
379262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-19T17:23:25.3650000-05:00What the heck is studio42?
380207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T17:24:55.0380000-05:00there's a video, let me look for the link
381207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T17:29:42.0560000-05:00https://youtu.be/1gGgZYGW01M
382207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T17:30:26.5790000-05:00basically future recording studio for projects and secured storage
383207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T17:31:02.1720000-05:00with a section dedicated to manufacture of printed parts
384262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-19T17:31:28.6990000-05:00Alright, is this paid for by DMS?
385262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-19T17:31:37.7620000-05:00Or is it your personal space
386262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-19T17:31:46.5580000-05:00legally
387207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T17:32:10.8270000-05:00it's donated to the committee
388262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-19T17:33:44.0240000-05:00The property is a donation as in the DMS owns it or is it leased under your name and you are allowing DMS to store things there?
389207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T17:35:03.6300000-05:00if need be we should look into something paided by DMS but it's space tacked on to my own lease that goes unused thus being donated for VCC and DMS to utilize
390262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-19T17:36:36.4670000-05:00Okay .. it is your garage then .. no worries .. you might not want to represent it as a DMS controlled space until the board knows legally about it
391207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T17:37:54.4100000-05:00hence why it's called studio 42 still to this day. got that name from a project before joining the space
392262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-19T17:41:56.2990000-05:00So, answer your question .. I don't have a problem with you storing the stuff at your house but others might .. if they need access to it and can't get it for whatever reason because it was taken home with someone .. I do believe there is rule about taking DMS items out of the building but I don't think it applies here .. but others may want to teach the class without you being avaliable.. so I think we need to store at least the instructor equipment on site as well as work out a way to notify the board of what DMS equipment is being storied in your garage
393207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T17:44:30.3660000-05:00right
394207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T17:45:14.5430000-05:00we better push for on site storage
395262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-19T17:45:35.9070000-05:00Yes, I think that is a requirement regardless of certification ..
396207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T17:45:46.5060000-05:00:+1:
397207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-19T17:48:15.3700000-05:00crap.. bloody sugar crashed, and I'm on transit. I'll pop on later. got to grab some insulin
398262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-19T17:48:37.6870000-05:00Alright .. talk to you later .. be well
399207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T13:47:39.2980000-05:00https://www.twitch.tv/twitchdefrags
400207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T13:47:49.1350000-05:00so... how can we do that for a retro pc?
401207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T13:48:05.4300000-05:00i mean, live stream one to twitch
402306285952303759360davidkessinger97072018-04-20T15:56:18.5480000-05:00Committees can rent storage space out of DMS funds. This is storage space, not a locker to just check things in and and out of if going to someplace other than DMS. Science rents a small unit for items they can't fit into their space. When needed they bring it in DMS and it exchanges places. This addresses the access issue since designated members could be given a key or combination to gain access. I personally am not comfortable with DMS "sharing" s property would be co-mingled. But if this is desired submit as an agenda item.
403207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T16:25:43.6770000-05:00@David Kessinger the concern is noted, to point out there is an access code that's fairly easily remembered, and locks that open via bluetooth. Plus, the studio is converted to do recording for labs and storing of sensitive electronics. However this is all under consideration and to prevent conflict we'll actively look into presenting a board agenda item with a well planned budget and goals defined.
404306285952303759360davidkessinger97072018-04-20T16:52:20.8160000-05:00It sounds like we're sharing rent thus lowering cost for other renter. That is very likely personally enurement even if we get a good deal on rent.
405207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T17:26:21.6170000-05:00ok, to be clear. no. DMS is not funding, paying of rent nor in any agreement with of lease and/or rent of the property and/or allocated physical space codenamed "studio 42". Studio 42 is not any sort of storage space, unit or the such. it's life began as a unattached garage to the committee founder prior to the committee creation and was convert to use as a studio and equipment storage prior again to the creation of VCC. Property of Dwight Spencer has been on loan to the committee for usage and all items have been paid out of pocket from Dwight Spencer. Since DMS has never paid for any of the items for VCC a transfer of ownership would require an inventoring of items with recept of donation. Something of which had been on the backlog to complete anyways just out of due diligence. About the only thing that's been officially donated to VCC has been a non working Mac pro tower, the desk, monitor, a digital logic tool, and shelving unit at the space. Any books and equipment have either been personally collected from the donation shelf in the back or under the express knowledge that it is to be processed for donation to archive.org
406207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T17:30:20.9970000-05:00now that out the way yes if there a requirement for committee storage then there is no barrier in that direction other than a simple consider for temperature controlled storage
407207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T17:32:48.3900000-05:00I'd also encourage committee members to come help scan the books in the back log and prep them for shipping to the national computer museum. along with coming by to help the creation of an inventory spreadsheet so there is no further question on this matter
408207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T17:36:40.7920000-05:00that last one there would not be any issue as I'm being very altruistic in not just the space but just about everything that there ( save for the book binding materials )
409262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-20T19:26:37.9750000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org said "i mean, live stream one to twitch" It is simple as a capture card or usb capture dongle and a PC running Open Broadcaster Digital media may have composite to usb adapters and could be run off of one of the DMS laptops
410262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-20T19:28:58.7600000-05:00As far as defragging old computer disks. That requires just copying file by file to blank disk. I use to do that for them.
411207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T19:43:23.3160000-05:00nice
412207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T19:44:34.8560000-05:00what would be good to stream?
413262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-20T19:46:01.7700000-05:00Well, you could stream programming a game for example or playing one ...
414262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-20T19:46:25.9440000-05:00Twitch has a creative section and but mostly is about games
415262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-20T19:46:41.3380000-05:00Or generally about games
416262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-20T19:48:37.7980000-05:00You could stream a class
417262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-20T19:49:08.6320000-05:00Like how to restore old floppy drives 😉
418207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T20:00:38.9570000-05:00:+1:
419207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T20:01:23.0100000-05:00and here I was thinking of doing old screensavers and game demod
420262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-20T20:07:20.5390000-05:00Do u know if there is anything like game shark for the 64?
421207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T20:45:01.2040000-05:00yeah, run/stop then peek and poke
422207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-20T20:45:25.8870000-05:00game gjinji was later👍 (1)
423262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-20T20:46:31.4590000-05:00The peek and poke method doesn't allow you to resume
424346385239918116865gothannie2018-04-21T10:25:29.5950000-05:00I think my mother saved Rodent’s Revenge on a floppy. Or something.
425262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-21T13:25:17.5600000-05:00So when do yall want to do a hacking challenge?
426207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-21T17:38:28.1370000-05:00Rodent’s Revenge was a fun game, mostly spent my time playing muds and doom back then but still it was a good change of pace
427207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-21T17:38:49.9200000-05:00@Draco any time you feel n.n
428262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-22T02:37:58.7040000-05:00I think it might be fun to have an intro class a couple of times to get some people interested before delving into the big challenges
429262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-22T16:22:42.4190000-05:00@denzuko What needs to be prepared for the 25th committee meeting ... do we need to test the audio visual ... where is it going to be ..
430262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-22T17:33:08.1900000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org
431207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-23T14:22:16.9090000-05:00@channel Committee Meeting scheduled - https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/5857
432207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-23T14:30:50.8010000-05:00And, civic hacking, Interactive Museum - be sure to have your sig report (basic what's the sig working on, any aid need, or other announcements) ready for the meeting
433207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T12:15:57.9780000-05:00VCC Instructor Pool Process v1.0.0 - Abstracted for committee templatinghttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/438387638966288384/Class_Process_1.png?ex=67b95d8d&is=67b80c0d&hm=a0a1b6cae647c4cf7fe855b3eda50697d3488f1b65cdbd484bdb7746c5874d15&
434207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T12:21:05.7560000-05:00I know, a little to "business like" but I'm working on an article about documenting social engineering processes for pentesting optimization and the committee needs these sort of knowledge dumps anyways 😉
435207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T13:14:05.4940000-05:00@Draco @David Kessinger I think we need to address the core question here that's came out of the pearson vue thread so we can discover the figures of what's is going to take and returns. So, who can contact Pearson Vue and when?
436262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:19:47.3360000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org that chart is confusing
437262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:21:15.0980000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org Why is the committee meeting again online only? This was the mistake we made last time.
438207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T14:30:37.4600000-05:00its online only this time because last time it was both in classroom (with no attendance) and online which prompted a discussion from the classroom committee. Where we've agreed to have the meeting online to keep the classrooms free for classes.
439262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:36:42.5230000-05:00There WAS attendance by Bill
440262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:37:08.1840000-05:00It doesn't need to take up a classroom with the small number of people currently
441109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T14:37:45.9180000-05:00Good functional committee meetings are just as important as classes.
442262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:37:54.4660000-05:00I agree
443262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:38:45.9980000-05:00There are many other places that we can meet that are not scheduled very often
444262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:38:50.7930000-05:00at the space
445262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:39:36.0580000-05:00Steve (mrcity) was at the space for the meeting as well
446262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:41:28.2220000-05:00This was one of the reasons I think Bill steped down as co-chair .. his input is valuable to the committee and it is not fair to exclude him by using a platform that he doesn't or can't use
447262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:54:50.0290000-05:00I think voting should only be allowed if it is at the space. Proxy voting is allowed for those online. But there should be a quorum also required for voting.
448262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:55:54.0980000-05:00I think the change from Vintage to VCC has thrown everyone off a bit . I'm not certain anyone really knows what VCC is or why they would want it
449207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T14:56:08.6480000-05:00right, so I'm hearing we want it at the space and not online?
450262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:56:23.3950000-05:00It is just me talking here .. there is no WE
451262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:56:24.7540000-05:00yet
452262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:57:04.0380000-05:00I added several things to the wiki page
453262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T14:57:14.0370000-05:00https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Vintage_Computer_Committee_Meeting_20180425
454207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T14:58:20.9940000-05:00valid items
455207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:00:22.6440000-05:00so lets address this one while we have time. Meetings at the space or meetings online?
456262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:01:13.2130000-05:00You might want to get the other memebers involved if we are discussing this. You know my opinion.
457207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:03:13.5870000-05:00yeah, that's for the @channel
458262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:03:18.7370000-05:00😉
459262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:04:54.2820000-05:00```fix Discussion topic: denzuko: so lets address this one while we have time. Meetings at the space or meetings online? ```
460262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:09:11.8570000-05:00@Lady L @mrcity @themitch22
461207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:10:24.3400000-05:00We have a poll : https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/how-would-members-prefer-to-attend-committee-meetings/35138
462207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:10:36.5400000-05:00but discussion here is more than welcome
463207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:21:35.6720000-05:00Well the poll hasn't been closed and I'll keep it going for the month to get further metrics. But the matter is solved. its looking like I'll have to go update the event and we'll have it at the space _and_ online. Sorry for the mix up mates.
464262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:23:38.8220000-05:00How do you plan on setting up for it? Do we have access to a webcam? Can we use one of the laptops?
465262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:24:22.4310000-05:00Does that big screen in the conference room do this?
466207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:24:25.8370000-05:00yes, we can use one of the laptops. I'll bring in a webcam from the studio and we can set up in the common area.
467207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:25:16.6230000-05:00I'll have to move a few funds around to cover lyft costs but we'll be able to have the meeting at the space.
468262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:26:10.6570000-05:00Yeah, I think it is best if members are at the space more often ...
469109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:26:20.5330000-05:00I guess that's the confusing part, seems like you schedule meetings you do not have the ability to attend, like the last couple of developer meetings
470262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:27:09.0360000-05:00Where are you at @Denzuko.sdf.org we might be able to arrange someone picking you up and ride-sharing
471207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:28:13.7080000-05:00doing m-f I'm in Coppell and live out in plano.
472207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:28:33.7180000-05:00.. that sounds wrong.
473207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:28:57.9280000-05:00I live out in plano and weekdays I'm working in coppell
474262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:29:04.6340000-05:00If you are unable to make it to the space we need to have someone else lead the meeting from the space
475109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:29:23.3100000-05:00So wait you work in Coppell?
476207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:29:37.8250000-05:00yes
477109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:30:20.6610000-05:00Very close to the space, how do you get home in a way that doesnt take you close to DMS?
478109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:30:29.9060000-05:00I guess that doesnt matter
479207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:30:35.2890000-05:00its an 45 minute train ride from the office but a three hour from plano #><
480109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:30:46.3880000-05:00If you and I are going to the same meeting I can easily pick you up
481207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:31:35.2940000-05:00I'm mostly worried about after the meeting but sure we could do that.
482109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:31:50.8150000-05:00how is after any different from coppell?
483109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:32:03.9600000-05:00Either way you have to take the green / orange line back to downtown
484109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:32:07.5590000-05:00and then red back up ?
485109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:32:29.2880000-05:00I'm assuming your commuting life already sucks m-f
486207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:32:31.1870000-05:00the 452 stops at 9pm
487109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:33:04.5240000-05:00Oh i see
488207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:33:05.1810000-05:00lol.. yeah. that's kind of mildly putting it but at lease its better than last years @.@!!
489109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:33:07.6770000-05:00so it's the route to your house
490207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:33:12.6950000-05:00yep
491207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:33:31.4050000-05:00which costs about the same as going to work the next day
492262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:33:35.2320000-05:00What part of plano?
493262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:33:49.4710000-05:00I live in the colony near some parts of plano
494262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:34:08.0170000-05:00I take 121 back to my house
495109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:34:25.6450000-05:00He lives somewhere along this route lol
496109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:34:26.0370000-05:00https://www.dart.org/maps/452map.htm
497207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:34:30.7280000-05:00https://www.yelp.com/biz/reserve-at-pebble-creek-apartments-plano-2?adjust_creative=dWJMtmYxpd5N5yoyzSuhtA&utm_campaign=yelp_api&utm_medium=api_v2_business&utm_source=dWJMtmYxpd5N5yoyzSuhtA
498207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:34:37.4530000-05:00spring creek and coit
499207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:35:33.6040000-05:00which not to side track but yes after hope there's a bbq planned and everyone here is invited
500262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:35:35.5110000-05:00I'm about 18min away from your house
501207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:36:07.4820000-05:00@Draco ok.. so guess that's a bit far for you
502262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:36:21.0590000-05:00I was saying if you spot me some gas, it isn't that far
503262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:37:58.3320000-05:00It is 25 min from DMS to your house and 18 min onward to mine
504109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T15:38:24.8570000-05:00I took dart from garland to farmers branch, literal 6 hours of commuting each day
505262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:39:52.1280000-05:00Yeah public transit is slow
506262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:40:01.2290000-05:00for going across town anyway
507207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:40:36.2790000-05:00yeah.. its not going to get any better for another six years, by then they'll have a few extra train and bus lines completed.
508262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:41:07.4750000-05:00The other option is have earlier meetings
509262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:41:47.9250000-05:00or weekend meetings
510262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:42:25.9280000-05:00But having the chair at the space often is almost priceless
511262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:42:38.9510000-05:00You are the face of VCC
512207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:43:40.2270000-05:00yes.. we do need to have that 😃
513207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:43:52.6050000-05:00right need to get one of these then https://www.amazon.com/Hindom-Electric-Mountain-Bicycle-Removable/dp/B07CC9TBLW/ref=sr_1_27?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1524602594&sr=1-27&keywords=ebike+28+inch
514262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:44:25.4000000-05:00Or a scooter or something 😃
515207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:44:30.1760000-05:00plus two additional battery packs
516207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:45:30.4780000-05:00yeah can't go scooter (or something) that would require a licence which texas thinks I have a license in another state which I don't
517262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:45:52.3070000-05:00So, is it just the license thing?
518207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:46:12.4830000-05:00yeah. otherwise I would have fixed up the bmw and the pt cuiser
519207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:46:21.7730000-05:00instead of donating them
520262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:46:32.8770000-05:00Alright.. lets work on that .. I'm sure we can work together and figure this out
521262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:47:04.1690000-05:00Have you ever had a drivers license?
522207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:47:56.9710000-05:00right, so who's doing a road trip to colorado and tracking down my doppelganger? because no no I have not had a license
523262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:48:38.0900000-05:00Well, they keep SS numbers ... unless someone is identity stealing .. it shouldn't be that hard to prove
524262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:49:25.2060000-05:00Do you have your birth certificate?
525207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:49:31.0110000-05:00of course
526262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:50:05.6030000-05:00Alright .. so when you went down to take your written drivers test.. they said you already had a license in colorado, correct?
527207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:50:59.8520000-05:00yeah and I showed them my state id from colorado where they then said our records show otherwise.
528262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:51:38.8100000-05:00okay, so you have an id from colorado but not a license but they think it is a license .. alright .. let me research this a bit
529262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T15:51:50.6890000-05:00Did you get a texas ID?
530207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:52:21.3550000-05:00yes
531207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T15:52:49.9930000-05:00and the colorado one had better hair 😉
532109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T16:37:19.8880000-05:00Yes we should help you get that resolved
533109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T16:39:16.3380000-05:00So you have a state ID now, you have your SSN, take a tax form, utility statement, paycheck, etc to the DMV and you should be good?
534109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T16:39:54.1040000-05:00It only matters if you're from another state if you have a valid drivers license in that other state
535207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T16:52:48.7000000-05:00yeah have all those and that's the confusion with the Texas DMV. they seem to believe that I do have one still in Colorado which I have not ever had one
536207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T16:53:31.6460000-05:00/me shrugs
537109359055532732416clone10182018-04-24T16:57:09.1800000-05:00Who did they tell you to talk to?
538207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T16:58:14.9840000-05:00they gave me the phone number for Colorado dmv and they don't have anything
539207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T17:01:48.8010000-05:00I've even gone as far to had a few lawyers discuss the matter and well the cost for that the time off work and trips to and from Colorado is way more than I spend on Lyft or buying a house
540262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T17:10:50.2570000-05:00I just contacted the Texas dps and they said it was a strange situation ... it could be that you have tickets in Colorado ... but he said that if you could get a letter from Colorado.stating that you do not have a license that he wouldn't have a problem accepting it ... He gave me a direct number to a real person as well
541207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T17:12:00.7870000-05:00cool
542207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T17:12:47.8910000-05:00now only to take a trip to Denver
543262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T17:12:55.5520000-05:00Hell no
544262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T17:13:08.5880000-05:00Just need to contact them
545262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T17:13:19.9800000-05:00And get them to mail you something
546207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T17:14:15.6600000-05:00i lived there, 99.9% of the time one has to spend three hours in Denver's office
547262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T17:14:26.9720000-05:00You can also call this number and find what code is listed in the database
548262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T17:14:43.2820000-05:00I will give it to u in private
549262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T17:15:30.1680000-05:00I think there will be a way to do it from here
550207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T17:16:01.1180000-05:00doesn't hurt to to try
551262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T17:17:55.2720000-05:00Nope it doesn't ... going to research Colorado tomorrow
552207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-24T17:20:56.2000000-05:00cool
553262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-24T20:54:36.0590000-05:00@actionjackson
554262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-25T13:06:22.6300000-05:00A new CTF challenge: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/capture-the-flag-please-stop-and-hash-it-out/35192
555207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-25T16:19:25.6670000-05:00@Draco I'm about to call it for the day at work so if your at the space lets grab a room and test out the setup. you know just in case
556262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-25T16:22:25.2390000-05:00I'm not at the space right now .. I have a couple of things to do before I can make it up there
557207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-25T16:23:45.9960000-05:00no worries I'll be testing a few things anyways but tap me on the shoulder when you get in
558207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-25T16:24:06.1410000-05:00same goes for all here in the channel 😃
559262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-25T16:25:01.3920000-05:00k
560262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-25T18:21:05.0860000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org I'm here ... where are u
561207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-25T18:23:24.4350000-05:00enroute to download Carrollton station
562207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-25T18:45:08.1600000-05:00sweet! there's a few ofo bikes in Carrollton. Today's trip costs is.. free :D
563262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-25T19:02:19.8570000-05:00I'm in a meeting for the next hour
564308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-25T21:01:10.8650000-05:00Howdy
565207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-25T21:04:48.7460000-05:00hey
566207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-25T21:06:08.6890000-05:00can you join voice?
567308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-25T21:06:55.4300000-05:00voice 🤢
568308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-25T21:07:56.7590000-05:00gimme a few minutes maybe, gotta charge up another device
569207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-25T21:08:03.0380000-05:00sure
570207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-25T21:08:42.4050000-05:00We have the committee in the room and voice works, you can type if you feel better with that
571308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-25T21:09:27.2380000-05:00For the time being, but I don't know how to put myself on mute ;)
572207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-25T21:09:53.4230000-05:00clicking on the mic icon
573308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-25T21:11:36.5100000-05:00Wow I'm an idiot, it's the bottom icon :-P
574207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-25T21:12:01.3870000-05:00can you hear us?
575308357148750905345mrcity2018-04-25T21:12:51.1780000-05:00817-271-7471
576262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-26T16:51:34.7510000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org Do you know if we have a dallasmakerspace.com email address for VCC?
577262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-26T16:52:11.3530000-05:00I'm wanting to sign up for mailchimp for the coding challenges and CTF but I figure we should use an email address that is not mine
578207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-26T17:19:03.0660000-05:00Im no where's near a computer so go ahead and email admin@dallasmakerspace.org requesting one
579262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-26T18:34:41.1100000-05:00I'm going to request codingchallenge@dallasmakerspace.org and capturetheflag@dallasmakerspace.org
580207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-26T20:58:23.5810000-05:00smashing
581207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-26T20:58:58.3650000-05:00Oh we now have a java desktop system and Kris is donating a mainframe system
582262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-26T23:13:28.5400000-05:00oooo cool... what kind of mainframe?
583262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-26T23:29:31.2920000-05:00Second question, where is it going?
584207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T09:35:59.5490000-05:00@StanSimmons what model was that computer that Kris was looking to donate to VCC?
585109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:17:04.0310000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org I'd like to host a DMS hackathon👍 (1)
586109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:17:48.6400000-05:00For DMS projects 😃
587207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T13:25:48.2460000-05:00smashing!! is there a wiki article for the details?
588207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T13:29:24.2720000-05:00and when do you want to have the hackathon?
589262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T13:33:16.8040000-05:00Hmm, what topic?
590262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T13:34:48.3510000-05:00If it is to be makery, perhaps it should cover many committees? The potential for many differing results.
591262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T13:35:10.6350000-05:00Or should it just be about hardware/software?
592109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:37:39.4150000-05:00It's pre-planning stages @Denzuko.sdf.org so I didnt make anything yet
593109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:38:07.3480000-05:00It might be interesting to talk to a couple of committees, "What are your biggest problems" and see if we can fix them with hardware / software
594109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:38:16.8590000-05:00@Draco anything that benefits DMS
595109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:38:30.5250000-05:00So like my idea was a minute taking app specifically for DMS formatted minutes
596109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:38:37.3410000-05:00To help committees and the board take minutes
597109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:38:55.0280000-05:00Some fancy react thing that lets you input items, allocations, notes and votes
598109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:39:07.3130000-05:00easily done in 8 hours or so and tons of benefit
599207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T13:46:53.4100000-05:00talk to a couple of committees, "What are your biggest problems" and see if we can fix them with hardware / software [ or hands-on help ]. yeah, that and regularly.. isn't there a meeting for that?? ;)
600109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:47:27.0030000-05:00Ideally this would be for small things that can be completed in one sitting, a hackathon
601109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:47:42.4940000-05:00I'm not sure anyone besides you and me knows what the Developers Meeting is?
602109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:47:57.9760000-05:00Just one fun event
603109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:48:09.9240000-05:00You've had hackathons here before right?
604109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:48:29.3790000-05:00What worked well? What was the theme? What projects did everyone work on?
605207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T13:48:54.2920000-05:00we should spread the word about it that meeting. But yes I've had a few and the turn out well. most of them have been educational though
606207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T13:49:30.5450000-05:00I wonder, what difference would it be to have an app than adding that functionality to say talk?
607109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:50:00.0880000-05:00Talk is not an official source of information, only the wiki is
608207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T13:50:04.1340000-05:00which path would the members benefits the most form and adopt?
609109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:51:03.9940000-05:00The app would simply generate https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors_Meeting_20180223#Minutes
610109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:51:08.4270000-05:00in that format
611109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:51:15.0640000-05:00but with a pretty / fast ui
612207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T13:53:41.5930000-05:00ok.. so why not add the media wiki forms extension into the wiki and use the Hackathon time to build the templates for meetings?
613207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T13:54:59.9090000-05:00(FYI, not trying to shoot down the idea just trying to help you plan out your solution)
614109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:55:25.5540000-05:00I guess that's the fun of having a hackathon right?
615109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:55:41.6530000-05:00The point is solving the problem
616109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:56:57.8410000-05:00So if that's a discourse addon, or a mediawiki form, or a custom app
617109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T13:57:00.1440000-05:00who cares
618207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T13:57:21.1240000-05:00that is very true
619207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T14:02:22.3490000-05:00so a little bit about me, you may know that my day to day work is in it but what one doesn't know is that I've been in QA and project management for some time now and have been an advisor for a lot of startups. so one in such a position tends to see a lot of the same "pot holes" when planning or coming up with solutions, I'm guilty of it too.. So yes, I'll push back on ideas from time to rime but only an open invitation to convince the hardcore of users and get the gears greesed for one to move forward with the concept or solution.
620207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T14:03:43.1030000-05:00that Said, I'm totally on board with a DMS Hackathon and think we need to hash out the details then get it scheduled and promoted
621262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T14:06:52.3400000-05:00I think while it should be benefiting us, it also should benefit others in general and be published publicly. We may have many non-members want to participate.
622109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T14:09:42.8800000-05:00Yeah, all of my goals from now on are getting new members 😃
623109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T14:09:54.7380000-05:00I want as many people as possible
624109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T14:09:59.2140000-05:00from various backgrounds
625109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T14:10:19.2710000-05:00We can steal some of PR's budget too 😃
626207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T14:10:30.4610000-05:00n.n smashing
627262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T14:44:14.6570000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org do you think the CTF challenges are too hard?
628262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T14:44:19.9760000-05:00or too easy
629207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T15:39:09.4140000-05:00so far I think its been on par
630207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T15:39:43.7540000-05:00I don't think enough know about them nor enough of the right people know
631262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T15:40:37.4400000-05:00I do think we need more people in the development side of things
632262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T15:40:48.4950000-05:00CTF and coding development
633207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T15:46:37.3490000-05:00that would be a huge help and maybe we should start reaching out to a few of the meetup groups and run a few events for recruitment
634262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T16:17:46.7350000-05:00What do you think about a business card sized information contact card that we can hand to those who are interested
635262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T16:31:35.6840000-05:00@@LukeStrickland said "Talk is not an official source of information, only the wiki is" One problem is keeping it updated ... and since all members can edit it ... making sure someone isn't editing things that they shouldn't ... do people get notified when a change is made ... I'm not sure how all that a works
636109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T16:33:34.6970000-05:00There's an audit log
637109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T16:33:41.9220000-05:00I personally check it
638262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T16:34:57.0910000-05:00For all of the committees and other info?
639262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T16:35:20.7770000-05:00It sounds like a more than one person job
640262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T16:35:57.0870000-05:00How does it work with places like Wikipedia
641109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T16:36:06.6040000-05:00They have moderators and admins
642109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T16:36:13.9950000-05:00They rely on audit logs and users to report issues
643109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T16:36:47.2050000-05:00The benefit of a wiki, in an all volunteer situation like the one we have, no one knows everything. We work together to build out our knowledge.
644262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T16:38:47.5680000-05:00I think it may be that certain people are assigned categories or topics and get notifications of changes ... I think committees could have that for topics under their category ... just an idea
645109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T16:46:13.6570000-05:00You can watch things I think
646109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T16:46:18.8510000-05:00SO that would make sense
647109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T16:48:45.0330000-05:00I _need_ to get the VisualEditor plugin up and running
648109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T16:48:56.8790000-05:00Should significantly lower the barrier to entry
649207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T16:49:08.9740000-05:00yes and we would need to make sure that committee chairs are keeping up with their committee categories and new articles that fall into thier area
650194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-27T16:49:17.4520000-05:00I don't think we have an issue of people changing the will maliciously
651194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-27T16:49:47.5870000-05:00It more of an issue with people just not adding the information
652109359055532732416clone10182018-04-27T16:50:23.5760000-05:00The entirety of the previous board announced publicly that they could not figure out the wiki lol
653207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T16:54:16.4050000-05:00wasn't the majority of the board of the .. wait nevermind I'm just as old too -.- so how could we get more adoption for updating the wiki?
654262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T16:55:03.0800000-05:00I think as we get the next 1700 members ... we start having to think a bit differently about things
655207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T16:55:27.9500000-05:00maybe something like a dms makercoin could be awarded for the quality of contributions?
656207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T16:55:58.2110000-05:00@Draco is right on that
657207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T16:56:45.2720000-05:00we're no longer the club of hobbists. we've reached full out business with customer numbers
658207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T16:59:22.8100000-05:00so we may want to start doing a new member orientation on top of the usual open house sales pitch
659207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T17:00:01.9210000-05:00and I've heard what some of the tour guides have put out there, it's very much a pitch
660262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T17:00:47.6120000-05:00That idea has been tossed around several times ... search on talk
661194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-27T17:02:07.4570000-05:00You can only expect so much out of volunteers. You could argue that the chair is responsible for keeping the information about the committee up to date. (Or getting someone willing to do it)
662262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T17:03:01.3480000-05:00If it is official then yes there should be someone with that responsibility
663262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T17:03:38.2030000-05:00For different area perhaps different people
664194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-27T17:04:20.6290000-05:00Like the person who represents the committee?
665262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T17:04:46.5390000-05:00Yup for official committee pages
666262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T17:05:25.4880000-05:00And the secretary for board and rules related
667262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T17:08:25.7870000-05:00I think there should be some sort of standard information required to be kept up to date ...
668262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T17:08:49.7790000-05:00The rest is up to the community
669262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T17:10:31.6660000-05:00As we grow it might be helpful also to have a committee manual or at least one for new chairs ....
670194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-27T17:11:53.2970000-05:00the problem you have there is "required"
671194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-27T17:12:02.0600000-05:00what do you do when its not done?
672194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-27T17:12:29.2670000-05:00we do have a manual that can be given to new members
673207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T17:12:39.9140000-05:00it would be great if there is some standards on that since it seems not one person knows what all is expected of a chair other than have classes and recruit for the committee while attending ever meeting
674262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T17:13:40.3610000-05:00They get reminded and if they aren't filling there role as chair ... for whatever reason .. someone else needs to take it
675194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-27T17:13:46.3150000-05:00https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/New_Member_411 this link is sent to everyone when they sign up
676194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-27T17:14:31.7210000-05:00and i dont know how many time we have had this exact conversation over the years, no one reads the information we try and put together
677194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-27T17:14:49.3450000-05:00and when they are the only one willing to be chair?
678262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T17:16:40.8340000-05:00I guess this is why the orientation class is brought up... it could be where you get your badge ? Can't get in the building unless you know some stuff?
679194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-27T17:17:25.9450000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/new-member-integration/13493/94?u=pearcedunlap
680194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-27T17:17:51.0840000-05:00heres the book we made to give to new people. theres a digital copy in the pr folder
681262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T17:18:39.7890000-05:00It is handled the same way we handle it when no one steps up ... either someone is there temporarily or the committee is put on hiatus or disbanded
682262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-27T17:20:41.9320000-05:00Besides the board ... the chairs have the most important roles imo
683207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-27T17:42:39.1030000-05:00agreed
684300083517877125121andrew51522018-04-28T14:37:36.5370000-05:00Realizing I'm a day late and dollar short, re: the wiki and keeping up, notifications,etc. The system is waaaaay out of date. Brief discussion on TALK with Brooks about why it hasn't been updated, what it would take, etc. https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/wiki-search-sucks/27168/9 Pertinent to the questions asked, though, is there a notification? NO. there is SUPPOSED to be, but it hasn't worked in years. It worked occasionally back in 2015 or so, but hasn't worked recently at all, to my knowledge. (It's not the only thing; frankly, email notifications have never worked reliably during my tenure, and I have yet to find anyone sincerely interested in listening, let alone capable of finding and fixing problems). Back on track: TL;DNR: wiki needs updated, notifications don't work.👍 (1)
685385477767179010049stephenie.2018-04-28T17:05:38.0660000-05:00The wiki is an important asset to Laser. We make regular updates. It houses not just our rules, but also anything that we want to be institutional knowledge, like maintenance history of our equipment and links to items we've bought. Even paint colors and fonts. It was key to the transition from @merissa to me. Very easy to update. I like it when Chris Marlow, one - if not our main - Talk moderators, see something in the forum that should be preserved and takes the initiative to update the wiki. I've started using it to preserve important Talk threads. Added to our Tips and Tricks section the recent how-to thread about working with leather on the lasers.
686385477767179010049stephenie.2018-04-28T17:06:24.2520000-05:00Even if no one ever looks at it but me, it is tons of help from an admin standpoint. Just wanted to say something nice about the wiki.👍 (3)
687109359055532732416clone10182018-04-28T22:07:56.3040000-05:00annoying....
688109359055532732416clone10182018-04-28T22:08:14.5450000-05:00the ldap extension stops working on 1.28
689109359055532732416clone10182018-04-28T22:08:21.2760000-05:00the minimum version for the visualeditor is 1.28
690300083517877125121andrew51522018-04-28T22:20:27.1080000-05:00😬
691207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-28T22:22:54.5520000-05:00@LukeStrickland is there a version that supports SSO or oauth which also supports the visualeditor?
692109359055532732416clone10182018-04-28T22:23:09.9650000-05:00nope
693109359055532732416clone10182018-04-28T22:23:14.8490000-05:00but some users report it working fine
694109359055532732416clone10182018-04-28T22:23:23.4720000-05:00So I'm going to deploy it to a test url
695207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-28T22:23:31.5850000-05:00cool
696207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-28T22:23:41.7860000-05:00feel free to use the community grid for that 😉
697109359055532732416clone10182018-04-28T22:24:31.9190000-05:00I'm just keeping things like they are
698109359055532732416clone10182018-04-28T22:24:34.2650000-05:00deployed side by side
699109359055532732416clone10182018-04-28T22:24:37.6660000-05:00in different folders
700109359055532732416clone10182018-04-28T22:56:14.7250000-05:00ok I think Ldap works
701109359055532732416clone10182018-04-28T22:56:30.2280000-05:00visualeditor is having issues connecting to the parsoid service though
702109359055532732416clone10182018-04-28T23:04:12.0160000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org @Draco either of you around for some testing?
703109359055532732416clone10182018-04-28T23:04:48.1290000-05:00The VisualEditor looks to be working, can you login and either edit your user page or some random page using the visual editor?
704300083517877125121andrew51522018-04-29T10:14:37.7660000-05:00Curious what is being used for login if LDAP is inop? Triggered by Nate's post here https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/upgrading-mediawiki/35362/11 I am able to login, but there no longer appears to be a place to set your domain, so I don't k now if I'm using DMS domain creds, or wiki creds (they were the same, last I knew)...
705109359055532732416clone10182018-04-29T11:42:55.7220000-05:00Yeah
706109359055532732416clone10182018-04-29T11:43:22.6140000-05:00Seems to be broken
707207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T09:09:19.4290000-05:00@lukeiamyourfather got a link for us to look at?
708262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T09:59:12.0190000-05:00When is the next committee meeting? I need to add something to the list of topics.
709207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T10:16:29.8480000-05:00https://wiki.dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Vintage_Computer_Committee_Meeting_20180509
710207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T10:18:59.5830000-05:00https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/5918
711109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T10:28:58.7510000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org who did you mean to ping?
712207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T10:33:58.2950000-05:00the channel
713207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T10:34:13.7000000-05:00and @Draco
714109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T10:35:40.4670000-05:00"[9:09 AM] denzuko: lukeiamyourfather got a link for us to look at?"
715109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T10:35:43.8590000-05:00were you talking to me?
716207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T10:36:37.4450000-05:00oh yes, you where asking for some help testing something?
717109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T10:39:45.5480000-05:00Too late now...
718207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T10:42:19.9340000-05:00sorry :(
719109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T10:48:57.8540000-05:00So right now no new users can signup to the wiki, upgrading to 1.30 silently broke the LDAP integration. Tonight I'm going to hack away at a SSO / LDAP / remote auth solution with whatever works with MediaWiki at the moment
720109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T10:49:16.6570000-05:00I'm thinking SSO should be easiest, since I can do deep integration with MM4👍 (1)
721207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T11:06:44.5680000-05:00I agree, sso would be the best path forward. We are using okta at the moment for a few things already but if we get the gitlab operational then using oauth against our ldap becomes a breeze and cuts costs to infrastructure
722207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T11:15:59.6070000-05:00one could also use adfs
723109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T12:47:51.2520000-05:00I dont want mediawiki to do anything
724109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T12:47:58.9170000-05:00besides ask makermanager if these credentials are okay
725207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T13:08:51.5660000-05:00so would that mean mm being the issuing authority instead of an interface for ldap and billing?
726109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:14:15.8090000-05:00MakerManager is the source of truth with our current infrastructure
727109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:14:26.2430000-05:00AD is built on data from it
728109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:14:42.5080000-05:00but either way MM4 authentication uses LDAP
729109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:14:50.6190000-05:00But I dont want mediawiki directly talking to ldap
730109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:14:54.6420000-05:00if that makes sense
731262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T13:35:52.0300000-05:00AD has redundancies and MM4 does not ... perhaps there might be a good way to do LDAP<->JSON in a redundant secure way to allow all apps and future apps to authenicate and get information from AD without all the hassle of working with LDAP/AD
732109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:37:34.0180000-05:00When MM4 takes over billing / user data it will be redundant
733109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:37:42.1660000-05:00However our LDAP server is not performant
734262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T13:38:11.0140000-05:00So, it will poll the LDAP server and cache the data?
735109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:39:18.3680000-05:00Right now it just polls the LDAP server every time
736262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T13:39:39.3930000-05:00Yes but as you said the LDAP server is not preformant ..
737109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:39:51.4500000-05:00Yeah?
738109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:39:56.9180000-05:00It polls it slowly ?
739109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:40:08.3810000-05:00It depends, it's not always slow. Sometimes it's the network, sometimes it's not.
740109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:40:39.0120000-05:00I can turn on a flag and MM4 can start storing passwords
741109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:40:46.2390000-05:00and then authentication can skip ldap
742262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T13:42:07.6530000-05:00Then MM4 will be the thing everything auths off of because it will have the latest and greatest info .. as long as there is an API and redundant .. I see no reason why not .. the AD could get it from MM4 then perhaps
743262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T13:43:35.6540000-05:00It would also need to store several other things, like groups ...
744262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T13:43:50.9410000-05:00The calendar depends on groups
745262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T13:45:50.6110000-05:00However, we might want a MM4 slave internal for the space, to auth everything local off of in case the internet blows up
746262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T13:46:32.7610000-05:00That is why I suggested a Auth Store of sorts .. it is why LDAP is great .. it is just AD/LDAP seems to be a pain
747109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:47:10.8260000-05:00Right, I want to start storing committees and chairs, and officers of the organization👍 (1)
748262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T13:48:54.7970000-05:00hmmmm found this ... https://connect2id.com/products/json2ldap
749262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T13:49:42.0840000-05:00The problem with that one is Java
750262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T13:50:49.6780000-05:00But it looks like it is supported ... it isn't open source
751109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:55:43.1160000-05:00I have no problem keeping ldap up to date
752109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T13:55:48.2850000-05:00And I think that would be the goal
753262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T13:57:55.8690000-05:00I could write a JSON compatible auth plugin for it
754262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T13:58:10.0060000-05:00for cake
755109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:00:19.0740000-05:00huh?
756262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:01:46.8570000-05:00I'm saying that if we want to get away from using LDAP for web apps, we could but still have LDAP as the backend. We can move webapps to a JSON authenication. I could write a CakePHP plugin for auth and user information retrieval.
757262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:03:12.6120000-05:00CakePHP is what the Calendar app is written on .. I believe MM4 is as well
758262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:03:39.6870000-05:00You could write a plugin for MediaWiki for auth from JSON
759262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:05:04.0740000-05:00I'm not certain if I am explaining the idea
760262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:05:06.3970000-05:00well
761109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:06:47.7150000-05:00MM4 is written in Laravel
762109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:07:01.4170000-05:00MakerManager as you know it is written in Cake
763109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:07:05.9200000-05:00I'm working on a rewrite
764109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:07:58.2860000-05:00So my long term schedule is: Finish current MM functionality. Move all billing systems that WHMCS handles into MM4. Calendar rewrite👍 (1)
765262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:08:13.6480000-05:00Ah ok .. the advantage is that future webapps don't have to go through the hassle of AD/LDAP for auth ..
766262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:09:10.1860000-05:00Alright, so some sort of easy API inside MM4 is what you are going for, for webapp auth?
767262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:12:46.1270000-05:00So, really I should hold off on Calendar features
768262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:12:57.7180000-05:00I was planning on making an RSS feed
769109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:14:13.3160000-05:00I would still work on the current calendar
770109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:14:19.0270000-05:00any changes are at least a year out
771109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:14:55.8190000-05:00Right, I want to provide a simple API for authentication with our services
772262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:15:08.4770000-05:00Great 😃
773109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:15:18.4800000-05:00starting with MediaWiki
774109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:16:21.9880000-05:00I'm also going to convince the dallas php group to start meeting here
775109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:16:34.2610000-05:00So we can get more programmers 😃
776109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:16:44.7890000-05:00And maybe start teaching some classes
777262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:16:55.8870000-05:00That sounds great
778109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:17:17.8320000-05:00We need as many people as possible working on our critical systems
779262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:18:11.8790000-05:00We can use GitHub for our feature & issue tracking as it seems to be readily avaliable
780109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:20:32.7340000-05:00Yeah
781262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:20:34.3950000-05:00So as far as the API ... what should be avaliable? We might need to make a talk thread on this topic. I know username, display name, email, phone number and groups have to be 5 that we absolutely need.
782262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:21:36.7980000-05:00I think it would nice to have things like avatar and interests
783109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:22:18.0260000-05:00Right, another point of login integration would be the talk forum
784262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:23:08.5780000-05:00That would have to be a different sort of integration. We need the public to be able to sign up for talk and not restrict it to just our members
785109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:23:27.5620000-05:00right, with it's own complexities
786109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:23:33.6150000-05:00account merging, etc
787262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:23:42.2140000-05:00*nods*
788109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:23:57.8730000-05:00But yeah, tonight will just be basic username / password => true / false
789262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:24:02.5930000-05:00Also the public can sign up for calendar
790109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:24:19.0090000-05:00They can register for classes, they cannot post classes
791262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:24:19.2040000-05:00I think
792262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:24:23.5290000-05:00right
793262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:24:31.5930000-05:00but do they have a login?
794109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:24:37.9470000-05:00no
795109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:24:40.6400000-05:00and it doesnt create one
796109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:24:45.0310000-05:00afaik
797262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:25:27.3150000-05:00It would be nice to be able to track them ... so perhaps a sign-up process would be good .. sorta a talk/calendar public signup .. two for the price of one
798109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:25:44.8300000-05:00You're just creating an unpaid DMS account 😃
799109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:26:17.5290000-05:00Makes conversion easier
800262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:26:18.5150000-05:00with no rights until they sign up .. then it gets assigned member rights
801109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:26:21.8700000-05:00Right
802109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:26:25.1360000-05:00Tons of potential!
803262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:26:36.3010000-05:00yup
804109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:27:44.5030000-05:00MM4 is at https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/makermanager4 btw
805109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:28:02.4960000-05:00it does everything MM3 does and is backwards compatible, but it's lacking WHMCS integration
806262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:28:42.2640000-05:00*nods* I will take a look
807262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:29:18.1570000-05:00Also, there is a way to embed a talk thread on a external webpage like an event page
808262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:30:03.8120000-05:00but it doesn't allow you to post messages .. it takes you to the talk page. I believe
809109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:30:11.0900000-05:00I have no idea
810262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:30:33.8890000-05:00It is something I researched .. I think it is already implmented
811262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:30:51.7310000-05:00as far as discourse
812262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:31:34.6500000-05:00It is something that I think would be awesome as many people already post to talk announcing their event
813262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:31:42.4230000-05:00to link the two
814262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:31:59.0720000-05:00just a potental feature
815262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:33:27.2140000-05:00So, you want to reimplementWHMCS into MM4 .. hmm
816262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:33:57.7910000-05:00It is basicily a shopping cart
817262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:34:18.6960000-05:00perhaps we could find an open source laravel shopping cart to base it from
818109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:34:44.2560000-05:00I'd like to instead think of our primary membership as a subscription
819109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:34:52.9800000-05:00Carts are more for dynamic items
820109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:34:58.1280000-05:00You're either signed up or you're not
821109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:35:15.9450000-05:00Laravel has a built up library for subscription billing, https://laravel.com/docs/5.6/billing
822262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:35:27.7360000-05:00nice
823109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:35:31.6140000-05:00Handles things like recurring charges, invoices, single charges, etc
824109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:35:55.7350000-05:00I want to have direct control over billing so we can start potentially grouping consumable usage / storage into one monthly fee
825109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:35:59.2900000-05:00To reduce processing costs
826262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:36:19.2500000-05:00*nods* I will look into it
827109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:36:25.2600000-05:00Each time someone pays for the laser, it costs us 2.75%
828262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:36:54.3540000-05:00plus a processing fixed fee most likely
829109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:37:05.1480000-05:00For square it's flat rate
830109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:37:15.4700000-05:00But yeah
831262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:37:35.6260000-05:00ah ok.. so we wouldn't be charged a percent if we grouped the charges?
832109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:38:21.0350000-05:00Hrm actually you're right
833262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:38:58.1130000-05:00For most companies micro-charges are a pain because of the fixed fee
834109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:39:09.7780000-05:00Right, I didnt know square didnt have any fixed fee
835262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:39:28.4230000-05:00what is the current percent for our CC provider for membership?
836262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:39:44.2970000-05:00if it is less then perhaps it might be better
837109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:39:58.8400000-05:002.9% + $0.30 is stock authorize.net, not sure if we're at stock pricing or not
838262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:40:43.7660000-05:00The other thing you have to consider is the way they pay on the kiosks... isn't that all square?
839109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:40:49.9770000-05:00Yeah
840262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:41:05.1450000-05:00Is the pad itself square? would those need to be replaced?
841109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:41:14.4580000-05:00Yeah, removed ideally
842109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:41:29.4250000-05:00Laser consumables would be charged automatically
843109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:41:45.0610000-05:00This is all hypothetical of course
844262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:41:54.2160000-05:00sure .. I love brainstorming ideas
845109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:42:18.6790000-05:00Stage 1 is just move recurring memberships over so we can have tighter integration of invoice paying, family accounts and discounted rate approval
846262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:42:56.5020000-05:00*nods*
847262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:43:08.5410000-05:00how many of those kiosks do we have/ need?
848109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:45:13.5450000-05:00We have 4 for committtees
849109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:45:21.4710000-05:005 if you count PR
850109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:45:37.4330000-05:00Woodshop, Metalshop, Laser, Creative Arts, PR
851262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:46:35.2100000-05:00Also, a seperate but potentally related idea ... what do you think about the idea of having the calendar also power the other classroom kiosks, the ones that are suppose to show what class is in the room and be able to sign in to one for accounting .. instead of a seperate app, just a webapp?
852262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:46:55.4230000-05:00Could any of these be used to pay for consumables... or if we replace them?
853262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:47:00.5720000-05:00Have it all integrated
854109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:47:34.9110000-05:00Everyone loves the idea of kiosks in front of each classroom
855109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:47:40.2020000-05:00showing the current class, and the schedule
856262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:48:12.4650000-05:00Yes .. it is something I want to work on doing ... however if we are wanting to replace the consumable kiosks... why not make them the same
857109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:48:27.5460000-05:00I don't want any payment kiosks
858109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:48:50.2710000-05:00I don't want any credit card processing done in house
859262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:49:11.1280000-05:00Ok, how do you propose people pay for things?
860262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:49:18.9520000-05:00I understand the laser one
861109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:49:31.5110000-05:00You'd login with your RFID and click pay
862262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:49:31.7040000-05:00They could just mark down that they used X
863109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:49:46.7880000-05:00and it would either charge you immediately or invoice it depending on what feels right
864262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:49:47.9030000-05:00ok .. then we are talking the same thign
865262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:50:07.5710000-05:00alright ... so the outside the classroom kiosks would work for that...
866109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:50:12.1560000-05:00yeah
867262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:50:31.0360000-05:00That would save us some money on replacing the others ...
868262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:50:36.4100000-05:00and get everything integrated
869262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:50:50.2770000-05:00and potientally people could login and see their bill or charges
870109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:51:13.5480000-05:00Yeah
871262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:51:39.9870000-05:00I like it
872262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:55:02.2300000-05:00Just brainstorming here .... the webpage would reset to a page from the calendar app and start there .. you could touch and swipe to see more of the current and upcoming classes for that room ... there would also be a "Pay" button somewhere easy .. that would hand off in some way to MM4 .. take the consumable info and hand back to the calendar app .. perhaps an IFRAME so the calendar app can detect no activity and reset itself back to the event screen
873109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:55:40.0370000-05:00Yeah, I like making webapps instead of actual apps
874109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:55:44.7460000-05:00and just hiding the browser UI
875262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:55:45.4080000-05:00me too
876262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:56:09.5740000-05:00This way it is easier to replace them in the future if something breaks
877262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:56:22.4750000-05:00anything should work
878262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:56:42.3340000-05:00except for the RFID .. I'm not certain how that integrates with a webapp
879109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:58:33.9700000-05:00Ugly: input box Pretty: JS to listen for 10 integers and then submit
880262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:58:49.3630000-05:00Oh it comes in as a keyboard then
881109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T14:59:00.7320000-05:00Yeah, the cheap ones are just keyboards
882262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T14:59:00.9460000-05:00if that is the case then no worries
883262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T15:03:42.1700000-05:00So, there will be no more cash .. or we already at a no cash system?
884109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T15:03:53.0270000-05:00There's still cash
885109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T15:04:03.4400000-05:00Cash is accounting nightmare
886262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T15:04:43.5200000-05:00Perhaps one of them could take cash? Then it would be assigned to the RFID tag
887262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T15:05:12.6610000-05:00That should help with accounting
888262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T15:06:17.7180000-05:00and everything should be counted and secured
889262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T15:07:47.4490000-05:00With a place with all volunteers, every bit of automation will help
890109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T15:13:39.7080000-05:00Hey that would be cool
891109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T16:02:20.1830000-05:00https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PluggableAuth
892109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T16:02:27.2990000-05:00Looks like I'll be using that tonight?
893109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T16:18:45.2130000-05:00@Draco you mention AD has redundancy, currently it's down at DMS 😛
894109359055532732416clone10182018-04-30T16:18:52.6890000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/in-progress-vhm-07-jumpserver-prdc1-etc-are-down/35426
895262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:22:18.8540000-05:00oh wow .. looks like the system died ... yup redunancy it is .. if one goes down everything else stays up
896262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:23:41.9160000-05:00For example, the kiosks should connect to the local mirror and if that is down then it goes to the internet as a backup ...
897262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:24:32.4380000-05:00So, MM4 and whatever is under it, should be completely replicatable elsewhere
898262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:25:34.2290000-05:00I'm sure laravel has a way to have a read database and a write database?
899262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:26:02.5740000-05:00then the two databases would slave
900262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:26:14.6080000-05:00one would be for writing and the other for read only
901262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:29:08.3410000-05:00The way some implmentations work is that it switches the user over to the write database for a short while, so the page can come back with all the correct information until the slave replicates in the background then after a timeout it switches back to doing all reads from the slave
902262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:29:54.9220000-05:00When I say database I mean database server
903262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:47:28.3570000-05:00In our case, if the internet was down, the kiosks would be in read-only mode or perhaps cache any consumables until the internet goes back up and can update the write database
904207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T16:50:01.5760000-05:00so our databases servers are hosted on aws and about the only thing that went down was dc1 out of 3, both jump servers, the cameras, and API server. just about everything public facing is in AWS
905207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T16:50:43.5450000-05:00oh dns at the space would be down too
906262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:51:02.4410000-05:00We have been talking about moving away from AD being the offical information source and instead it being MakerManager 4
907207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T16:51:04.6370000-05:00that's handled via dc1
908207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T16:52:03.8900000-05:00so how would that be synced with the desktop logins?
909207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T16:52:19.8200000-05:00or anything else that requires ldap?
910262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:52:36.1450000-05:00It would have to update the AD/LDAP ...
911262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:52:44.8330000-05:00like it does other things
912262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:52:59.0510000-05:00with this, the webapps would have a non-complex way of getting auth
913262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:53:12.5880000-05:00right now it is a bit complicated
914262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:53:39.6690000-05:00Then MM4 would be replicated on-site
915262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:54:28.5820000-05:00and everything here would have at least two MM4 instances to auth from .. and we would build plugins and adapters that anyone can use
916262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:54:54.1220000-05:00anything from web frameworks to esps
917207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T16:56:13.9730000-05:00would making mm4 be a jwt/oauth identity provider make that more simplified?
918262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:56:53.8150000-05:00I'm not sure what is going to be the simplist and most universal
919262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:57:19.9350000-05:00We want our c128 if we wish to auth from it haha
920262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:58:17.5610000-05:00I just know that AD is not the best choice
921207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T16:58:25.4320000-05:00well jwt and oauth talks restful http so that is super universal
922262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T16:59:52.0280000-05:00It also needs to be able to get some custom user information
923262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:00:00.7040000-05:00like the groups/roles assigned
924262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:00:09.3060000-05:00phone number
925262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:00:13.8940000-05:00display name
926262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:00:16.0940000-05:00email
927207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T17:01:04.4620000-05:00ldap on the other hand makes for a great distributed database for users, groups,and devices. we would just need to interface with it on one point and make that point as self service as possible
928262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:01:22.6480000-05:00I like LDAP .. I just don't like AD/LDAP
929207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T17:01:52.6410000-05:00I know what you mean.
930262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:02:07.4820000-05:00LDAP is complex
931262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:02:30.7820000-05:00what key? what do I search for?
932262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:02:34.5600000-05:00where is it
933262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:02:42.1840000-05:00just give me the damn thing
934262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:02:56.8540000-05:00lol
935262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:04:17.2210000-05:00I know that Luke wants to store the committees in there
936207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T17:04:25.5360000-05:00it's not really that complex just like vim just need to wrap one head around the schemas and conventions
937262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:04:48.6280000-05:00But can someone that is an embedded designer care to do that?
938262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:05:14.6590000-05:00they just want to know if someone is a member of a group or not
939207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T17:05:34.4640000-05:00yep so that's where oauth comes in
940262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:05:59.2730000-05:00Well, alright .. it is something I will look into
941262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:06:03.7500000-05:00😃
942207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T17:09:58.3780000-05:00👍
943262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:29:52.6110000-05:00@LukeStrickland .... https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/how-does-one-get-items-for-sale-added-to-square-kiosk/35396
944262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:30:57.1120000-05:00Should committee items be allowed for sale on the kiosks?
945262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:31:17.0710000-05:00I think it is something to consider
946207961619538378762denzuko2018-04-30T17:32:11.9710000-05:00I don't see any reason why it's not feasible
947194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-30T17:33:03.5790000-05:00personally i dont think we should confuse the kiosks with "merch" and "consumables"
948194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-30T17:36:26.2370000-05:00im going to derail here
949194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-30T17:36:28.7560000-05:00!about
950306874939535917066dallas-makerspace#47632018-04-30T17:36:28.8740000-05:00I'm the friendly bot for managing various automatic rules and features of the Dallas Makerspace Discord chat server. I understand the following commands: `!about` or `!commands` - This about message. `!help` - Request help from volunteers, for example `!help I can't access the fileserver` will send a request to the active volunteers. `!volunteer` - Add yourself to the list of active volunteers, gain access to post in the #deleted-channel channel. `!unvoluntter` - Remove yourself from the list of active volunteers and stop receiving notifcations. `!volunteers` - List the active volunteers. `!members` - Show the total number of active DMS members. `!8ball` - Ask the magic 8 ball a question. `!random` - Request a random number, chosen by fair dice roll. If I'm not working correctly or you'd like to help improve me, please join the #infrastructure channel. My source code is available at: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot.
951194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-30T17:37:58.0350000-05:00If the VCC would like to play with the discord bot, its open source on the github. we modified ours on out gaming server to do a lot more, the DMS bot is based on our gaming server one, just with less profanity
952194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-30T17:38:00.1680000-05:00https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot.
953262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:42:38.0040000-05:00That might be interesting to integrate ..
954262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:42:42.3020000-05:00or add to
955194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-04-30T17:43:34.4190000-05:00its mostly written by andrew lecody and david cotten as a thought experiment
956262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-04-30T17:43:56.3410000-05:00I will check it out
957262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-02T19:08:45.2390000-05:00@LukeStrickland ... I'm about to head to the space .. are you up there by chance ... I know you wanted to talk about the softwares
958109359055532732416clone10182018-05-02T19:15:25.0440000-05:00Yeah I am I'll be here awhile gonna grab food in a second so I'll be back
959207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-02T21:08:55.7880000-05:00guys, I just got done creating an inventory application for the museum and committee's use. Feel free to access it at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KtqXi60tvYwnueNzMnd9nhs0u6OCrnR44PDGj6T_ywY/edit?usp=sharing
960207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-02T21:13:02.8400000-05:00got to track down what I did with the donation form but when I do, it would be merged in with this one.
961371416661040955403talkers2018-05-03T03:32:18.4890000-05:00https://www.fastcodesign.com/90170255/using-the-old-mac-os-is-pure-zen
962300083517877125121andrew51522018-05-03T06:47:06.3900000-05:00@john a gorman neat link. Thank you for the throwback (Thursday; I know, it's a thing, rarely good; this is an exception!) Something you really miss with the emulator, though, is the thrill of running a fully functional GUI OS from a floppy disk (well, maybe a pair; I don't quite recall, to be honest). My now-wife, at the time, had a Mac when we hit college in 1991ish and used it for term papers and the like for several years. Though the tech was ancient at the time, it beat the hell out of having to use the typewriters most of us still had to use, or the 4-seat closet "computer lab" staffed by unpleasants.
963207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T07:43:32.8650000-05:00ah.. the bofh types. I actually got a long with those guys in the early 90's when I hung out in the local community college computer lab. The director of the lab kept trying to get me to use the one and only Mac. But the rest of the guys and I had more fun playing with the ibm systems and windows nt 3.11. They help me get on the well and we had a blast playing doom together.
964207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T07:45:05.0030000-05:00it's little things like that which really opens hearts and minds for kids. :D👍 (1)
965263957475718463488blackfire_tx90402018-05-03T09:44:03.5680000-05:00I dropped off Xargon 1-3 the other night. I wrote my name on the inside cover. They can be displayed for a while. (Or played if someone has a DOS computer)
966207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T10:34:25.4750000-05:00@Blackfire_tx how long is "a while"?
967207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T10:36:18.6940000-05:00also, it looks like the archive only has xargon 1 : https://archive.org/search.php?query=Xargon
968207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T10:36:31.2050000-05:00mind if we make a few iso images of the disks and scans of the box/manual?
969207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T11:42:34.6350000-05:00@john a gorman Thanks for the inspiration; https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/retrotalk-throwbackthursday-opengem/35578
970207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T13:13:01.3910000-05:00@Draco take a look at the bbs that I just turned back on - http://52.204.55.41
971263957475718463488blackfire_tx90402018-05-03T17:28:51.6320000-05:00Go for it. I had to look for a while to find 2 and 3. "A while" can be as long as VCC wants to display it or when I need them back. I did image the media using the dd command under linux. FYI it is floppies only. (no CDs)
972207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T17:37:59.7790000-05:00smashing. oh for knowledge, doing a block level image of a storage device like that with `dd(1)` is an ISO. It's not just for CD-ROM images.
973263957475718463488blackfire_tx90402018-05-03T18:02:19.4740000-05:00meh... was just pointing it out.
974207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T18:41:12.5110000-05:00no worries. either way. we'll get that on display shortly and work to have a dos system for playing as well
975262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T18:59:17.3450000-05:00I will have to check it out
976262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T19:00:14.5130000-05:00Question .. what can we do with the jump server? There is not much software installed on it. No GCC or even BZIP ..
977262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T19:00:27.2300000-05:00I'm talking the Linux ubuntu one
978262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T19:01:17.6070000-05:00It would be nice to install the build-essentials package
979262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T19:01:49.8620000-05:00Is there python?
980207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T19:02:38.2670000-05:00I think that was by design. but just visit communitygrid.dms.local and login with your ad creds then launch a Ubuntu container.
981262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T19:02:54.5070000-05:00ah ok
982207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T19:04:04.4280000-05:00https://youtu.be/qyTLX1gLlb4
983262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T19:05:05.3430000-05:00Also, I can't seem to get into the opencast server anymore .. prlxocast01 @ 192.168.200.81 .. does it have winbind?
984262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T19:05:15.4400000-05:00or the AD things on it like it did before?
985262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T19:05:30.2130000-05:00I have the group priv for sudo on it
986262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T19:06:48.7080000-05:00Mark and I were wanting to work on it
987262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T19:06:54.9890000-05:00but couldn't get into it
988207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T19:07:01.8280000-05:00dont know about that one. but let's screen share tonight once I get in. I'm in downtown at the moment and heading out to Plano so it's going to be about 8:30 when I can jump online
989262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T19:08:36.4030000-05:00k
990207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T20:29:27.1830000-05:00I'm online.. let me look into the opencast server
991207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T20:40:19.3930000-05:00@Draco prlxocast01 only seems to have ssh running. could you put in the issue ticket so I can go into it and reset the login
992262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:04:56.9620000-05:00doen
993262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:04:59.6580000-05:00done even
994207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T21:07:19.8780000-05:00do you have a github account?
995207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T21:12:27.8900000-05:00or a ssh pubkey I can install?
996262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:23:22.0630000-05:00I think getting it back working with AD is what we need
997262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:25:30.8310000-05:00if you need to wipe it and put ubuntu back on it.. that is fine as well .. as long it is LTS and at least 16
998207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T21:32:12.7180000-05:00your account is still there its just that I'd rather copy your ssh pub key into the authorized_keys so you can go and set things up on your own
999262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:46:45.2110000-05:00Is there a standard way of setting these up .. I know there was .. for example the jump server works this way
1000262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:47:06.0390000-05:00How would I go about fixing it?
1001262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:47:43.0240000-05:00It should create the user when they first login
1002262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:48:16.7230000-05:00and check to see if they are in the Opencast group and then allow sudo
1003262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:48:30.5560000-05:00I know very little about doing that
1004207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T21:48:50.5580000-05:00was it already on the domain?
1005262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:48:53.8990000-05:00yes
1006207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T21:49:25.9630000-05:00then it should still be and its just blocking logins because the filesystem needed scanning
1007262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:49:38.6900000-05:00ah ok
1008207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T21:49:49.1970000-05:00let me finish the reboot and you can try it from there
1009262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:50:05.8480000-05:00How do I get to the jump server from remote?
1010262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:51:45.9000000-05:00linux jump server
1011207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T21:51:51.8150000-05:00`ssh -l draco -p 2222 physical.dallasmakerspace.org`
1012262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:52:29.1070000-05:00ah port 2222
1013207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T21:53:16.5800000-05:00I do highly advise using something like `keychain(1)` to use ssh pubkey authentication but its not a requirement
1014262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:53:38.3980000-05:00*nods* .. ok it let me in
1015262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:53:47.3770000-05:00thanks .. resolved
1016262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:54:17.2270000-05:00it isn't letting me sudo
1017262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:54:20.9760000-05:00😦
1018207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T21:55:02.7200000-05:00one sec
1019207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T21:58:38.3430000-05:00your good to go. just log back in
1020207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T21:59:31.1800000-05:00btw if you where seeing some matrix level stuff typing on your screen there. that was me 😃 its a program that comes with all *nix's called write
1021262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T21:59:42.9390000-05:00``` [sudo] password for draco: Sorry, try again. ```
1022262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:00:05.2920000-05:00yup I know about it ... 😃
1023207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:00:19.9650000-05:00figured a fellow grey beard would 😃
1024262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:00:32.8020000-05:00There is also the ```wall``` command
1025207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:00:44.5020000-05:00yep and talk
1026207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:00:54.4230000-05:00oh ytalk was way more fun though
1027262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:00:55.8960000-05:00yup .. I still can't get into sudo
1028262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:00:59.9120000-05:00yes
1029207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:01:22.8820000-05:00right, so its asking for your password. did you try resetting that?
1030262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:01:48.0330000-05:00should it not pull it from AD?
1031262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:02:08.2150000-05:00it wants my current password .. I never used one
1032262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:02:23.1600000-05:00or it wants my old old old password which I have no idea
1033207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:02:34.4780000-05:00either case go a head and run passwd
1034262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:02:51.0950000-05:00``` draco@prlxocast01:~$ passwd Changing password for draco (current) password: ```
1035262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:03:04.4780000-05:00as I said it wants my current password
1036262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:03:24.7280000-05:00``` draco@prlxocast01:~$ passwd Changing password for draco (current) password: Password authentication failure passwd: Authentication failure passwd: password unchanged ```
1037207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:04:21.9540000-05:00passwd: user 'draco' does not exist in /etc/passwd
1038207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:04:27.5350000-05:00try your ad password
1039262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:04:33.1350000-05:00I am
1040207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:04:38.8550000-05:00o.O?
1041207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:04:46.1930000-05:00oops
1042207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:04:48.0520000-05:00one sec
1043207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:04:59.7380000-05:00wrong machine
1044207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:06:38.6410000-05:00I'm about to award the bofh award of most evil server to this thing
1045262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:09:32.0580000-05:00*snickers*
1046207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:12:00.4420000-05:00ok, had to manually add your username to the config files. try it now
1047262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:13:40.3610000-05:00``` draco@prlxocast01:~$ sudo less /etc/sudoers [sudo] password for draco: Sorry, try again. ```
1048262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:13:44.9550000-05:00what password do I use?
1049207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:14:18.1520000-05:00there shouldn't be a password
1050262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:14:57.8100000-05:00there is .. there always is for sudo
1051262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:15:10.8920000-05:00at least the first time within the timeout
1052207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:16:38.8840000-05:00I'm being an pfy
1053207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:16:50.7950000-05:00just needed to reconfigure sudo try it now
1054262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:17:28.8690000-05:00same .. still asks for a password as it should
1055262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:17:56.0350000-05:00I logged out and back in again too
1056262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:18:10.5800000-05:00it doesn't ask for a password for me to login from jump
1057262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:20:07.1460000-05:00What are we using for AD auth?
1058207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:21:01.2890000-05:00centrify
1059207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:21:08.2510000-05:00which is totally not needed
1060207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:21:42.6840000-05:00I've ran domains with samba, krb5, and ldap just fine and not needed a third party tool which uses those same packages anyways
1061207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:22:05.6740000-05:00right, try login out and back in
1062262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:22:36.6190000-05:00ok .. it doesn't ask for a password
1063262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:22:57.6360000-05:00are we using the AD group?
1064207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:23:17.1860000-05:00yeah
1065207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:24:04.4680000-05:00good to go?
1066262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:24:28.2920000-05:00For now .. yup .. the reason I ask is because mark will need to login as well with sudo rights
1067262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:24:43.0350000-05:00and perhaps others .. AD groups are just easyer
1068262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:24:46.0380000-05:00easier
1069207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:25:12.2620000-05:00make sure they're in the linux_admin group in ad then
1070262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:25:36.5450000-05:00is this on in a vm or on a machine
1071262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:27:13.1660000-05:00This looks like the VM
1072262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:27:46.7620000-05:00Which machine is the actual server
1073262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:27:54.6440000-05:00is it PRLXOCAST02 ?
1074207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:28:48.8040000-05:00vm on vmh-7
1075207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T22:30:42.6520000-05:00I don't even see a PRLXOCAST02
1076262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:31:50.3470000-05:00hmm ok
1077262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-03T22:32:07.3620000-05:00I know it was a 12 core 48gb 1U
1078207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T23:55:09.1970000-05:00well my brain is doing the hazy thing when there's too much blood in my caffeine system, only perscription know is to sleep following up with 100mg fresh ground Italian roast Expresso.
1079207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-03T23:55:55.2100000-05:00when I get back to the office I'll remote in and see what happen to that 12 core unit
1080207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-04T09:13:44.2480000-05:00there's an opencast2 system on the network but not sure if that's the one your referring to. it has an IP of 192.168.202.60 and runs ssh, vnc, samba.
1081262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-04T10:55:58.0470000-05:00Yes that is in the lecture hall .. that is not the server
1082262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-04T10:56:45.1790000-05:00The server may be unplugged in the server room
1083262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-04T10:57:12.1450000-05:00Did you see my PM ... perhaps you can check the ticket?
1084207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-04T11:07:33.2380000-05:00Nmap done: 2 IP addresses (0 hosts up) scanned in 3.06 seconds for both of the ip's you sent.
1085207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-04T11:09:08.7080000-05:00only the .81 is online. Do you have the link to the original ticket?
1086262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-04T11:12:00.0530000-05:00PMed you
1087207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-04T11:38:46.2730000-05:00Does anyone know if AmigaOS 4.1 can run on native on a g3 iMac?
1088109359055532732416clone10182018-05-06T13:02:33.0900000-05:00Might make an arduino sensor for detecting if a bathroom is in use or not
1089109359055532732416clone10182018-05-06T13:02:37.1780000-05:00based on the door latch
1090262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-06T18:51:02.7320000-05:00@LukeStrickland .. you could do that but we have two sets of restrooms.... I think it might be better to just get the urnal fixed .. what is the status of that anyway?
1091207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-06T22:20:43.7820000-05:00@Draco last I heard the urinal was ordered, but @StanSimmons knows the details
1092262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-06T22:21:21.8780000-05:00Last I heard from an unoffical source that the plumber disappeared
1093109359055532732416clone10182018-05-06T22:38:24.3810000-05:00For the unisex
1094262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-06T23:01:07.5970000-05:00Ah, an arduino sensor for the unisex bathroom? How would it present itself to the world or tell you the status?
1095262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-06T23:04:52.2880000-05:00You might look at https://www.adafruit.com/product/3400
1096262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-06T23:05:09.0770000-05:00It is $10 and has WIFI
1097194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-05-06T23:09:09.5690000-05:00Seems like overkill
1098262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T01:04:36.0290000-05:00How much would the arduino and wifi/network shield cost? I am betting quite a bit more than $10
1099194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-05-07T01:05:19.8870000-05:00it doesnt need wifi
1100262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T01:05:32.9260000-05:00It needs some way to communicate out into the shop area
1101194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-05-07T01:05:37.0670000-05:00just light a sign on the other side of the door
1102262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T01:05:52.8570000-05:00Then you don't need an arduino
1103194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-05-07T01:06:34.0800000-05:00but even so, running a small linux pc to light a sign still seems like overkill
1104262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T01:07:45.4680000-05:00That is what is happening everywhere .. it does seem so but as prices fall this is what happens. It becomes the cheaper alternative to do it with all the things that were expensive many years ago
1105207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T02:26:10.2980000-05:00if we want to talk prices, well the esp8266 has built-in wifi, works with the arduino ide/libraries, and can control relay switches via gpios while talking "iot". All for the low price of $2 + s&h. I actually can see these guys being used for iBeacons around the space and since they're such low powered devices using only a battery to power them. From there the iBeacons can direct members to the location of things via an alexa skill.
1106262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:36:56.2130000-05:00That is true about the esp8266 but they are harder to program and if you want a web interface or push notifications to when the bathroom is avaliable then you will need some sort of server for it to connect to ...
1107207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T03:37:31.7100000-05:00which isn't that hard to do
1108262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:38:13.2170000-05:00True it isn't but with the Pi Zero W you wouldn't need it for $8 more
1109262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:39:03.6620000-05:00I mean if we are going with a bunch of these .. the esp might be the way to go .. and have them all connect to the main server
1110207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T03:40:17.7810000-05:00yep.
1111207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T03:40:23.7180000-05:00check out this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5hk1k17dXg
1112262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:41:08.2530000-05:00However, the Pi Zero W has more GPIO pins and storage
1113262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:41:22.2090000-05:00+ HDMI
1114262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:41:42.7530000-05:00and I believe USB
1115207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T03:41:54.1610000-05:00omg.. why would anyone want HDMI on a iot device?
1116262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:42:13.9160000-05:00People want screens on devices ...
1117262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:42:54.8930000-05:00https://www.adafruit.com/product/3400
1118262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:44:26.4280000-05:00Bluetooth Low Energy is also included
1119207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T03:44:44.3140000-05:00ok I can understand if one was to run power, ethernet, and usb over the hdmi or even a serial port and maybe configured with a gui from rdp
1120262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:44:59.1830000-05:00It is the price that I like $10
1121262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:45:06.5600000-05:00I really can't beat it
1122207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T03:46:42.3260000-05:00ok sure, nicely priced but esp8266 does the job for a tenth of that and yes, one can flash nodemcu onto it so its programmed via javascript
1123262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:48:35.5200000-05:00It all depends on what you are doing. I suppose .. I mean if you need the power, storage or web server then the pi .. if you just need a sensor or control something remotely ... the esp would work great
1124207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T03:49:21.9120000-05:00exactly its just about the right tool for the right job
1125262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:49:30.0290000-05:00agreed
1126262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:49:48.1290000-05:00What are you doing up this late?
1127262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T03:49:52.0200000-05:00I can't sleep
1128207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T03:56:10.1350000-05:00I'm actually getting ready for work
1129207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T03:57:02.9670000-05:00there's a big push to fix the logging and I've been cleaning up my code for release so they can just pull it off git hub
1130207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T03:57:11.9010000-05:00well them and dms too
1131262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T04:01:16.3710000-05:00*nods*
1132207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T04:12:51.7170000-05:00oh fyi. if you bundle your package into a docker image then we can update apps.dallasmakerspace.org. docker hub and github is the official package repository for dms.
1133207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T04:14:22.2960000-05:00we may have to look into artifactory at some point since it does it all
1134262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T04:14:29.2650000-05:00It is not that big .. it is for the calendar rss feed
1135262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T04:14:40.7450000-05:00and it is forked from elsewhere
1136262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T04:15:18.0600000-05:00There were some errors with the package I am using .. I haven't decided if it is good enough yet
1137207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T04:15:47.6850000-05:00righty oh
1138262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T04:16:06.4600000-05:00But please document some of this wonderful docker magic on the wiki
1139262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T04:16:26.4800000-05:00I'm sure that people will use it
1140121823075548266496shdragon2018-05-07T10:21:32.7930000-05:00Really dumb question: Would it not be easier to just install one of those locks that has a "vacant/occupied" displays on the outside? Downside: Less excuse to play around with cool tech gizmos.
1141207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T10:24:01.8320000-05:00maybe but the project manager in me is screaming get the root cause fixed first then revisit new features.
1142109359055532732416clone10182018-05-07T10:24:08.0980000-05:00i want to see it around the corner 😃
1143109359055532732416clone10182018-05-07T10:24:15.8300000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org what root cause fixed?
1144207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T10:24:40.2700000-05:00if we're talking about the mens lue then that urinal being fixed
1145207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T10:25:02.3270000-05:00if its all four restrooms then ok, that's a different thing
1146109359055532732416clone10182018-05-07T10:25:16.1210000-05:00Nah fam
1147109359055532732416clone10182018-05-07T10:25:23.2290000-05:00Just wanna see when the two unisex are taken
1148109359055532732416clone10182018-05-07T10:25:29.2350000-05:00instead of body slamming the door
1149207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T10:25:36.7980000-05:00right
1150194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-05-07T11:12:24.8520000-05:00Or. Or. Just gently push on the door
1151121823075548266496shdragon2018-05-07T11:13:55.9670000-05:00Get out of here with your logic and making sense. 😉
1152262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T11:47:19.5050000-05:00I take everything back .. Rasp Pi Zero W .. IS overkill for this haha
1153207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T12:04:26.5680000-05:00lol
1154262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T14:38:01.0800000-05:00Although .. what about a robot to push on the door gently, detect if it is locked and then report back over the wifi to the signs which lights up the status text in rgb leds
1155262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T14:38:37.8700000-05:00lol
1156262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T14:40:21.2360000-05:00I mean if we are going for overkill .. might as well go full bore
1157194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-05-07T14:40:31.4870000-05:00Only of it does the Terminator knock
1158262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T14:40:48.0680000-05:00lol
1159207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T16:13:08.5930000-05:00should also have a smell sensor
1160207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T16:13:23.6190000-05:00what that should do I'll leave to everyones imagination 😄
1161262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T16:14:44.2600000-05:00Yes, and it can judge the occupant
1162262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T16:15:08.2800000-05:00*snickers*
1163207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T16:17:34.0090000-05:00lol
1164207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T16:19:11.5880000-05:00MQ-4 methane gas sensor hmm..
1165262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-07T16:21:46.1080000-05:00How about a hydrogen sulfide detector lol
1166207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-07T16:26:23.3280000-05:00that might work.. just keep it away from science
1167262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T14:50:43.1900000-05:00```fix The VCC Committee meeting is tonight https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/5918 ```
1168207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-09T15:02:44.8580000-05:00Looks like we have two confirmed
1169207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-09T15:03:33.3110000-05:00@mrcity anything you would like to bring up at this month's committee meeting?
1170262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:12:25.9210000-05:00hey @Denzuko.sdf.org .. I have my beta site up .. http://dmscalendar.dragonsguild.net/
1171262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:12:57.8140000-05:00No data yet .. perhaps I could ask for read access to the calendar database and pull the data every so often to keep it updated
1172207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-09T15:16:39.8700000-05:00well feedly seems to handle both atom and rss feeds just fine 😃
1173207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-09T15:18:24.1610000-05:00we may have to setup a load balancer or vm instance in aws then spin a docker container with the new changes that way you'll have access to the ldap and sql databases
1174262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:18:50.6020000-05:00I'm not really needing ldap .. the sql should be avaliable remotely
1175262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:18:56.5830000-05:00as long as I have access
1176262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:19:26.8570000-05:00I don't want people creating events .. in fact I may redirect them to the main site
1177262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:19:33.6290000-05:00it is just for those wanting to test it
1178262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:19:48.6130000-05:00and see if it works with all sites .. and has the information we want
1179262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:20:03.7780000-05:00It is very temporary
1180262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:20:24.3770000-05:00but perhaps it might be better to setup something for future development
1181262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:20:26.0990000-05:00testing
1182262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:20:53.5420000-05:00I would hate to go live and have it break and not be able to fix it quickly
1183207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-09T15:21:05.5690000-05:00yeah, I get what your saying about testing. I'm one for using clones of each environment for testing. But isn't the calendar using ldap for authentication?
1184262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:21:28.4520000-05:00Not on my site
1185262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:21:37.3530000-05:00it is using a static set of users
1186262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:22:20.8840000-05:00This way, I can login as Calendar Admin or Honorarium Admin .. or whatever
1187262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:22:36.9000000-05:00without having rights to really do tht
1188262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:22:38.3360000-05:00that
1189207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-09T15:23:31.7640000-05:00understandable
1190109359055532732416clone10182018-05-09T15:27:33.0380000-05:00I have a calendar-test app setup on the existing server
1191109359055532732416clone10182018-05-09T15:27:37.9900000-05:00but it uses production read data
1192207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-09T15:42:02.0440000-05:00ok, I think one of the goals that I need to meet for you guys is to make sure the community grid is setup in production and to hold a short intro class for how to use it.
1193262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:50:56.1060000-05:00@LukeStrickland .. great .. what is the url?
1194109359055532732416clone10182018-05-09T15:57:42.0100000-05:00Only accessible with a host entry inside the building
1195262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:57:55.5710000-05:00Or from the jump server?
1196109359055532732416clone10182018-05-09T15:58:04.5010000-05:00Yeah that would work
1197262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T15:58:22.9030000-05:00Alright .. I'm ready
1198262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-09T17:06:42.2220000-05:00Most RSS feeds are consumed by services on the internet... how can we use that to test them?
1199207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-09T17:34:34.9210000-05:00feedly?
1200207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-09T17:34:55.3280000-05:00google cal?
1201109359055532732416clone10182018-05-10T08:57:21.5420000-05:00The MediaWiki now uses MakerManager for auth
1202109359055532732416clone10182018-05-10T08:57:35.4260000-05:00Still technically LDAP, but no longer does Mediawiki need to speak LDAP😃 (1)
1203109359055532732416clone10182018-05-10T09:01:25.3430000-05:00MakerManager is also now importing all Smartwaiver signs
1204263957475718463488blackfire_tx90402018-05-11T19:41:05.8860000-05:00Xargon 2 & 3 images.
1205263957475718463488blackfire_tx90402018-05-11T19:41:14.9390000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/444660291070984192/xargon_2.img?ex=67b9c5ea&is=67b8746a&hm=b47e77036e3d55c6ab3836d826341d031ccece8e8fa255540ac7c4c1a37bb803&
1206263957475718463488blackfire_tx90402018-05-11T19:41:15.9450000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/444660295957479424/xargon_3.img?ex=67b9c5eb&is=67b8746b&hm=f7291bb49f2d935618e75664111bf3939f875a34d3324f78f5a51afd5232df65&
1207262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T21:21:26.6690000-05:00Intranet web pages for all ... idea
1208262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T21:21:32.1680000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/intranet-web-pages-for-all/36178
1209262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:04:55.3800000-05:00Here is a free web control panel for shared hosting.. it handles creating the account, setting up web, dns, databases, emails and ftp .. https://www.virtualmin.com/
1210262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:05:59.8490000-05:00It also has a way to create accounts from a console command line or script
1211262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:06:18.8890000-05:00and web mail plus auto installers
1212262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:08:15.8510000-05:00They also have Cloudmin for creating VPSes like Virtualmin is for shared hosting
1213262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:09:46.4390000-05:00I think this would be great for the Computer Committee to do
1214207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-12T23:10:50.6880000-05:00we've been using portainer
1215262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:11:19.9730000-05:00That is for docker only, right?
1216207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-12T23:11:27.1060000-05:00and openstack
1217262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:11:53.1910000-05:00*nods* .. docker is great if you arelady have an app you want deployed
1218207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-12T23:12:17.8450000-05:00not true
1219262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:12:23.5010000-05:00it's not?
1220207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-12T23:12:52.2390000-05:00search for Ubuntu desktop on docker hub
1221262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:14:43.4770000-05:00Yes ok .. you can run a VPS like container .. that is nice .. however, I'm going for more a shared hosting type thing where you don't have to admin everything and you can just create whatever domain you want over your own assigned base domain name ..
1222262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:15:18.1350000-05:00and start coding inside it ... it takes up dramaticly less space to do shared hosting
1223262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:15:29.1340000-05:00I'm not saying not to continue docker
1224262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:15:32.0800000-05:00I think it is great too
1225207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-12T23:15:36.1230000-05:00that's exactly how the community grid is already set up
1226262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:15:38.7200000-05:00it may be the VPS offering
1227207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-12T23:16:20.6140000-05:00you know of bsd jails right?
1228262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:17:22.5500000-05:00ok, so I can go somewhere, right now and get to a control panel that I can easily create a new domain name and database for my PHP app that is accessable from computers around the space? then ssh into it and start coding?
1229207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-12T23:17:42.0470000-05:00yes!
1230262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:17:49.9570000-05:00Great.. what is the web address?
1231207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-12T23:18:03.0960000-05:00apps.communitygrid.dms.local
1232262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:18:03.8950000-05:00and how do I setup a domain name?
1233207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-12T23:18:33.1100000-05:00ping me the domain name or do a cname to that url above
1234262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:18:47.1680000-05:00no .. I want to setup as I please
1235262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:18:59.6190000-05:00like I described
1236207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-12T23:19:56.0600000-05:00I really think we need to go over how the community grid works and get you to start playing around with it
1237262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:19:58.2110000-05:00basicly it would come down to creating an NS record in the AD nameserver to point .. say... devdms.local to a different managed nameserver for our users
1238262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:20:30.9470000-05:00Then when they create their base account .. they would get .. username.devdms.local
1239262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:20:42.3250000-05:00and anything above that can be user created
1240262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:21:24.1920000-05:00so they might create a new calendar app .. it could be called calendar.username.devdms.local
1241262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:21:37.5890000-05:00mine might be calendar.draco.devdms.local
1242262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:21:56.8200000-05:00yours might be calendar.denzuko.devdms.local
1243262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:22:14.8450000-05:00but the "calendar" part should be creatable in the users control panel
1244262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:23:20.2300000-05:00I think we are talking about two different things here
1245262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:23:32.5130000-05:00what I am talking about is shared hosting ... you are talking about docker
1246262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:23:40.0320000-05:00they both can co-exist
1247262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:23:45.2620000-05:00and have different purposes
1248262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:25:41.6040000-05:00The way Virtualmin creates things is that it creates a base user directory .. say denzuko .. under that you have public_html .. and points it to denzuko.devdms.local ... then I can go into a virtualmin control panel and create a sub server .. it would create a new folder under the home directory called domains .. inside would be the subdomain/public_html ..
1249262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:25:52.0880000-05:00and that would automaticly point to the subdomain
1250262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:26:10.5530000-05:00then I can just upload files or do whatever I wanted inside my home directory
1251262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:26:31.9650000-05:00it also keeps the logs and my personal config files in my home directory as well
1252262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:26:50.4460000-05:00it is a pretty nice setup for doing shared hosting
1253262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:27:22.6130000-05:00but as I said before it is different than docker and I don't think docker can replace the ease at which this can be setup and used
1254262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:27:53.9180000-05:00but I could be wrong
1255262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:33:24.0810000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org said "I really think we need to go over how the community grid works and get you to start playing around with it" ... I look forward to it
1256262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-12T23:53:15.8780000-05:00Oh I found out Cloudmin does support Docker containers from the Cloudmin control panel ... not exactly like Cloudmin images .. but apparently they have support, which might be cool .. I don't know
1257109359055532732416clone10182018-05-13T11:31:22.3720000-05:00?!?!!?
1258109359055532732416clone10182018-05-13T11:31:26.8450000-05:00``` * @param string $oldPassword The new password * @param string $newPassword The old password```😃 (1)
1259262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-13T11:53:09.9580000-05:00The old is the new new
1260262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-13T11:54:49.6660000-05:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2nNzNo_Xps
1261240634037998190592jestersforge74942018-05-15T08:39:29.7180000-05:00https://elekk.xyz/@bunnyhero/100028996084450968
1262240634037998190592jestersforge74942018-05-15T08:39:46.0520000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338001333405876224/445714309603917824/457d47c41fd74052.png
1263240634037998190592jestersforge74942018-05-15T08:40:04.1080000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338001333405876224/445714385483333633/f0fb295d3e1fe19a.png
1264207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-15T10:48:33.3740000-05:00that is really sweet graphics :)
1265371416661040955403talkers2018-05-15T17:26:24.4430000-05:00We had some monitors donated that would have worked with this
1266262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-15T20:17:17.4500000-05:00Here is a graphics demo made with left and right audio signals plugged in to the X and Y on an oscilloscope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1eNjUgaB-g
1267207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-16T14:16:04.9530000-05:00and I thought quake via an oscilloscope was impressive
1268207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-16T14:16:37.9980000-05:00how is he doing the text if it's stereo audio for the waveform?
1269109359055532732416clone10182018-05-16T16:28:07.2520000-05:00Ever think you're working on too much at once Dwight
1270109359055532732416clone10182018-05-16T16:28:16.9070000-05:00It's overwhelming from an outside perspective
1271262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-16T21:11:04.0000000-05:00I know I am at times .... Opencast, Playing with redesigning the Tools Wiki, Calendar Development, Licensing on GitHub .. I'm sure @Denzuko.sdf.org is deep in so much more .. and a job
1272262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-16T21:11:26.9240000-05:00and his wife! I mean she wants his attention .. not the... never mind
1273207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-17T06:58:00.1120000-05:00lol.. draco
1274207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-17T07:11:46.0170000-05:00@LukeStrickland yeah let's just say where I am at in my career and everything.. kind wish I could hire a few interns and able to bank role a crack team for the thinktank that would actually get us to the stars or at least help build the next of the next generation of tech
1275240634037998190592jestersforge74942018-05-17T08:55:56.1200000-05:00do we have access to any more of those monitors?
1276207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-17T09:54:39.8060000-05:00which monitors?
1277109359055532732416clone10182018-05-17T09:55:47.2230000-05:00I think the ones John was talking about
1278240634037998190592jestersforge74942018-05-17T09:59:39.7740000-05:00for the Ocelot
1279109359055532732416clone10182018-05-17T13:08:39.3800000-05:00To add on to my talk message, I'm totally down for unit testing, docker test instances, production database dumps, etc. But we're not there right now
1280109359055532732416clone10182018-05-17T13:16:23.8760000-05:00Ok I tried
1281109359055532732416clone10182018-05-17T13:16:26.6000000-05:00I'm done for now 😃
1282262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-17T13:38:27.2230000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org said he was AWS certified .. so, he would be the one to figure all that part out
1283207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-17T16:49:08.9080000-05:00yes and that's it's literally what I get paid to do. Setting up these systems and training teams on devops, 12 factor, and cloud/docker. over all we have the ground floor of it and this is all an iterative process of improvement
1284262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-17T16:53:38.4880000-05:00I will take you out to eat if you setup my read only user on RDS... 😃
1285262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-17T16:54:26.4960000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org
1286109359055532732416clone10182018-05-17T16:56:01.6480000-05:00RDS needs to be locked down to only a select few members in my opinion
1287109359055532732416clone10182018-05-17T16:56:10.2630000-05:00As absolutely critical data is stored there
1288262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-17T16:56:23.5340000-05:00It is ... that is why I can't add myself ..
1289262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-17T16:56:36.8680000-05:00I;m just wanting one database
1290262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-17T16:56:41.5180000-05:00read only
1291262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-05-17T17:02:09.9150000-05:00Or we can setup something for a one way replication of the data somewhere else that I can get to .. everything that we can get access to that doesn't have private data .. we should be able to in order to help with development .. we need to be working on copies of the real databases .. if not real databases, then ones that have valid fake data in them .. in the case of a feed, it needs to be live
1292109359055532732416clone10182018-05-18T11:00:07.0020000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org Still making 0 sense
1293109359055532732416clone10182018-05-18T11:00:18.5680000-05:00You showed me a old commit, and a new commit where you fixed it.
1294207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-18T12:11:43.4270000-05:00clone1018/calendar/blob/master/src/Model/Behavior/FriendlyTimeBehavior.php
1295207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-18T12:12:17.8090000-05:00that one is on your fork which does not have phpdoc code added. on the main upstream it does
1296207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-18T12:12:58.9720000-05:00those phpdoc code is laughable amount of the cause for a lot of the errors popping up
1297207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-18T12:13:55.6600000-05:00doing a git pull before git push makes sures we're all in sync with the master
1298109359055532732416clone10182018-05-18T12:15:50.9560000-05:00If you do not git pull before pushing, git will stop you..?
1299207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-18T12:55:43.8390000-05:00nope
1300207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-18T12:56:49.1710000-05:00it would just treat it as if your pushing a different leaf and still accept
1301207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-18T12:57:24.7980000-05:00https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19032566/why-do-we-need-to-git-push-first-before-git-pull
1302109359055532732416clone10182018-05-18T13:32:08.3840000-05:00You try to push without pulling and the remote will not accept it.
1303109359055532732416clone10182018-05-21T08:14:06.5000000-05:00VCC meeting and Infrastructure meeting are scheduled for the same time?
1304207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-21T14:25:28.1930000-05:00VCC Sync up is not the committee meeting. That's "office hours" with myself onsite. although we may want to push that back to after the infrastructure meeting
1305207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-23T16:05:21.6530000-05:00yes! there is auto ssl for web and the dashboard on the community grid
1306207961619538378762denzuko2018-05-23T22:04:57.5410000-05:00@Draco https://pastebin.com/GP5HZ7qE
1307109359055532732416clone10182018-06-02T20:20:49.9090000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org how can others use the community grid?
1308207961619538378762denzuko2018-06-03T01:11:56.6730000-05:00have them attend the next class for the community grid training. for those that already have a login then its up at https://comunitygrid.dallasmakerspace.org/
1309262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-06-03T03:27:28.1270000-05:00I tried signing in tonight and it didn't accept my login
1310109359055532732416clone10182018-06-03T11:07:00.5870000-05:00Jay Johnson is interested
1311207961619538378762denzuko2018-06-06T09:32:14.4580000-05:00@LukeStrickland lets sync up on this doing office hours tonight.
1312109359055532732416clone10182018-06-06T09:32:27.7670000-05:00Wont be able to sorry
1313109359055532732416clone10182018-06-06T09:32:33.9480000-05:00unless it's really late
1314109359055532732416clone10182018-06-06T09:32:48.2770000-05:00last expansion meeting ends at 9:30
1315207961619538378762denzuko2018-06-06T09:34:58.1890000-05:00I can stick around for that
1316109359055532732416clone10182018-06-06T09:35:45.0950000-05:00Ok
1317207961619538378762denzuko2018-06-06T09:35:57.3630000-05:00There's a lot to get caught up on before the membership meeting anyways so I'll more than likely be at the space until midnight
1318109359055532732416clone10182018-06-06T21:41:50.4190000-05:00guess you left?
1319207961619538378762denzuko2018-06-07T10:46:42.5180000-05:00sorry, I was crashing at the keyboard so I had to head home before I broke a rule about sleeping at the space
1320262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-06-08T01:15:29.6160000-05:00I didn't see you Dwight .. I was there until Midnight ..
1321262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-06-08T01:16:01.4260000-05:00oh that was wednsday .. never mind
1322262734618447446016draco_the_drake2018-06-08T01:16:12.5690000-05:00😛
1323207961619538378762denzuko2018-06-15T16:59:09.9640000-05:00don't know how one should feel about this but my pull request with Microsoft just got accepted😂 (1)
1324431672565019443201daniel_the_hawn97732018-07-07T15:20:14.9490000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org are you coming to the class?
1325189645236908064768themitch222018-08-12T20:13:31.1630000-05:00https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/7243
1326189645236908064768themitch222018-08-12T20:14:02.2430000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org I'm hosting a reddit /r/mechanicalkeyboards subreddit meetup in the interactive classroom
1327207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-12T20:17:05.0520000-05:00o.o
1328207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-12T20:17:17.3290000-05:00Oct 20th?! count me in.
1329207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-12T20:17:38.5440000-05:00do we need anything?
1330189645236908064768themitch222018-08-12T20:24:40.9940000-05:00an interactive classroom that's available, and tables
1331207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-12T20:25:53.1520000-05:00cool
1332207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-15T15:10:20.1540000-05:00Committee meeting: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/7269
1333207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-15T15:38:10.9870000-05:00DMS now has a dedicated tensorflow and python serverless environment. Check it out at https://tensorflow.communitygrid.dallasmakerspace.org/?token=72d68548c56900f356795fa1d0bfef7e533e1b0cdce33020
1334207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-15T16:20:30.6820000-05:00@Draco @here been working on ctf.communitygrid.dallasmakerspace.org lately. It should go live here in the hour or so but I'd love to have you guys come up with a few challenges to post up on there.
1335207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-22T14:44:37.2100000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/grant-opportunity-for-dms/41392
1336207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-24T14:11:21.5110000-05:00Latest Tensorflow access key: 66fbdb888a5dac8774018b84444ca46528098bc798f36096
1337207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-24T14:11:43.5810000-05:00@pearce can we pin that one about the access key?
1338194641296529424386canibalcrab2018-08-24T18:38:25.9280000-05:00Pinned a message.
1339207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-27T09:27:57.4300000-05:00thanks @pearce
1340207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-27T18:52:54.5380000-05:00you know, this channel should be vcc but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ what do I know.. not like it was voted on a long time ago
1341207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-28T12:41:34.4420000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/announcement-hackathon-blockchain/41710/2
1342207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-30T16:17:30.3150000-05:00https://thehackernews.com/2018/02/airgap-computer-hacking.html
1343207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-30T16:17:51.3260000-05:00yep we've entered the age of epic cracking
1344473855311438938115discophonous2018-08-30T18:49:47.6680000-05:00Holy geez
1345325498566762299393mizgeek2018-08-30T18:51:21.8530000-05:00Wow! Nothing is safe!
1346207961619538378762denzuko2018-08-30T18:57:48.8820000-05:00of course. it's just about mitigating risk with multiple layers of security not all in one
1347371416661040955403talkers2018-09-01T16:08:57.4670000-05:00Oct 6th is the open house. I am thinking VCC can set up another display in one of the classrooms👍 (1)
1348371416661040955403talkers2018-09-01T16:13:41.2470000-05:00We need to have a calendar posted for events like the hackathon and keyboard meet up
1349371416661040955403talkers2018-09-01T16:14:04.4080000-05:00Get them posted to FB and meetup
1350207961619538378762denzuko2018-09-02T14:17:18.2590000-05:00Thanks John. That sounds like a great idea. Let's get together this week and plan that out.
1351371416661040955403talkers2018-09-02T15:41:44.1520000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org perfect
1352207961619538378762denzuko2018-09-04T12:15:43.4740000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/committee-space-secured/42128
1353207961619538378762denzuko2018-09-04T16:18:20.1850000-05:00heading to the space shortly here for the priorities meeting. anyone coming?
1354207961619538378762denzuko2018-09-06T18:52:28.8870000-05:00Tensorflow and community grid is back online: https://tensorflow.communitygrid.dallasmakerspace.org/?token=35270f72a91526179ba6a374fef2dff97ae22b0fb460ca76
1355207961619538378762denzuko2018-09-06T21:36:28.0830000-05:00looks like I'll have to redeploy the load balancer so letsencrypt can work but one should be able to use the tools at this point
1356207961619538378762denzuko2018-09-08T21:37:05.8570000-05:00!members
1357306874939535917066dallas-makerspace#47632018-09-08T21:37:06.1430000-05:00There are currently 1943 members.
1358207961619538378762denzuko2018-09-08T21:40:00.3880000-05:00think we can come up with something cool to help bring in more members?
1359207961619538378762denzuko2018-09-10T16:28:56.2380000-05:00tensorflow token: f7dfd2c2689804197de099967deaaa13b2f4093eee417264
1360207961619538378762denzuko2018-09-10T16:30:28.9370000-05:00we're experimenting with using okta for authentication (ie dms active directory credentials) so the above token is current. if one logs into the community grid dashboard then they'll be able to see the logs and new token if the container running tensorflow ever restarts
1361207961619538378762denzuko2018-09-18T14:07:25.1640000-05:00just checking in, was there anything going on tonight?
1362207961619538378762denzuko2018-09-29T19:02:08.8470000-05:00@here could someone substitute for today's class for a bit, all the materials is in the committee area and I'll be arriving shortly. Got delayed by uncontrollable forces
1363189645236908064768themitch222018-10-13T14:45:40.6460000-05:00The Reddit Mechanical Keyboard Meetup is next Saturday, we have 63 people signed up!
1364189645236908064768themitch222018-10-13T14:46:41.1410000-05:00@Hackerspace chair would you like to bring some vintage keyboard and maybe talk about VCC and software developer committee
1365207961619538378762denzuko2018-10-13T20:55:53.1790000-05:00would love to. I'll keep is short and sweet so we can have room for everyone to join in
1366371416661040955403talkers2018-10-14T02:08:28.4390000-05:00@themitch22 Mitch, send me the FB event to share on the DMS FB page
1367371416661040955403talkers2018-10-14T02:08:37.7950000-05:00We can also add it to the blog
1368189645236908064768themitch222018-10-14T02:10:08.0010000-05:00https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/7243
1369371416661040955403talkers2018-10-14T02:47:34.2440000-05:00+1
1370207961619538378762denzuko2018-10-24T17:59:22.4600000-05:00remember tonight's meeting is at 8pm right after the review board
1371207961619538378762denzuko2018-11-08T09:35:25.9200000-06:00Great job guys with all the classes!
1372207961619538378762denzuko2018-11-08T09:35:30.3620000-06:00https://twitter.com/denzuko/status/1060528411733647360👏 (1)
1373207961619538378762denzuko2018-11-16T21:50:57.1650000-06:00game on
1374207961619538378762denzuko2018-11-16T21:51:15.3970000-06:00CTF.dallasmakerspace.org
1375190945022399610890timooni2018-11-17T19:28:52.5980000-06:00i've always wanted to play ctf
1376190945022399610890timooni2018-11-17T19:29:14.3330000-06:00the problem is i'm pretty uninitiated
1377190945022399610890timooni2018-11-17T19:29:55.1920000-06:00i only just got my ccent, but i haven't learned hardly any infosec or pentesting stuff
1378190945022399610890timooni2018-11-17T19:30:48.8270000-06:00all i know how to do is design and configure small-to-mid-sized branch networks
1379190945022399610890timooni2018-11-17T19:32:34.6420000-06:00what is this like
1380207961619538378762denzuko2018-11-19T08:59:32.1630000-06:00@Timooni we usually do a mix of real-life red teaming with a little king of the hill in a few flag finding for further access. Mostly it's focused on getting individual experience but also having fun while doing it too.
1381207961619538378762denzuko2018-11-19T09:00:53.6910000-06:00so kind of like ...
1382207961619538378762denzuko2018-11-19T09:00:59.1470000-06:00https://youtu.be/vYNnPx8fZBs
1383207961619538378762denzuko2018-11-19T09:01:24.1170000-06:00just without the cheese 90's techno babble
1384207961619538378762denzuko2018-11-24T17:44:38.6340000-06:00https://github.com/psenough/teach_yourself_demoscene_in_14_days
1385207961619538378762denzuko2018-11-24T17:45:53.7740000-06:00Do you guys think we can create something for the holidays or even quakecon?
1386207961619538378762denzuko2018-11-25T23:13:26.6830000-06:00what do you guys think, should we do February or March for the next CTF?
1387190945022399610890timooni2018-12-22T19:04:20.1460000-06:00i don't knowww
1388190945022399610890timooni2018-12-22T19:04:37.1790000-06:00but i was hoping someone could give me some advice or encouragement of some kind
1389190945022399610890timooni2018-12-22T19:05:05.7480000-06:00i was following a book guide to set up my home networking lab, and i'm not letting my failed studying for the mcsa go to waste, so i was using hyper-v on windows 10
1390190945022399610890timooni2018-12-22T19:05:09.5780000-06:00i used to like hyper-v
1391190945022399610890timooni2018-12-22T19:05:14.3230000-06:00but now i'm thinking it's kinda garbage
1392190945022399610890timooni2018-12-22T19:05:23.3650000-06:00especially since there are barely any integration with debian
1393190945022399610890timooni2018-12-22T19:05:51.6000000-06:00it's so slow
1394190945022399610890timooni2018-12-22T19:06:46.5170000-06:00i have kali, centos, win10, winserv2016, winembed8.1, and raspbian connected to one external virtual switch in hyper-v
1395190945022399610890timooni2018-12-22T19:07:40.3660000-06:00currently my dns sinkhole server (pihole) is running on the raspbian machine and that's what everyone on my network uses for dns
1396190945022399610890timooni2018-12-22T19:09:38.5940000-06:00the thing is, i have about had it with this terrible lack of integration / gpu acceleration, low framerate, numpad wacking out, all that jazz, and I kinda want to go back to vmware workstation, but I have this procrastinaty dread because I don't want to set up the drivers for the virtual NICs again and clean up the old ones and reinstall everything / migrate it somehow and yadda yadda
1397190945022399610890timooni2018-12-22T19:11:21.9460000-06:00anyway, do y'all know if it's even worth it? Is vmware better than hyper-v? Is there some sort of integration software I could install on kali to force it to play nice with hyper-v? I know they have optimized versions specifically for vmware and virtualbox, but not hyper-v...
1398516152872522743828dinkbatt2018-12-30T07:42:58.6030000-06:00the ctf seems to be down. hmm. i was just in the middle of writing code to clean up the QR ASCII hint in order to use it and follow through with it 😃 welp.
1399516152872522743828dinkbatt2018-12-30T07:43:46.9680000-06:00"HTTP ERROR 500" at https://ctf.dallasmakerspace.org/index.php?page=login
1400207961619538378762denzuko2019-04-01T15:40:08.9410000-05:00we may need to pull together and do a hackathon to rewrite the ctf software
1401207961619538378762denzuko2019-04-06T19:25:48.5940000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/maker-science-challenge-alu-via-microfluid/53961
1402207961619538378762denzuko2019-04-06T19:26:00.8590000-05:00Bounty Challenge released, details above.
1403262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-05-03T12:25:01.5910000-05:00I just want to remind ya'll that the committee needs to put up an election for this month.
1404564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-13T09:56:04.8940000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/committee-voice-expansion-move/55720
1405388213344236077056doug.emes2019-05-15T18:26:17.2340000-05:00@denzoku, i will not be able to make it tonight, would you like me to post on talk regarding my proxy being assigned to you, in favor of you?
1406388213344236077056doug.emes2019-05-15T18:46:14.4260000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-elections-5-15/55960
1407388213344236077056doug.emes2019-05-15T18:46:18.1920000-05:00you have my rpooxy tonight
1408564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-16T09:43:07.8090000-05:00Thanks @doug.emes !! your support for both me and the committee is greatly appreciated.
1409564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-16T09:43:40.4830000-05:00Hope that you can make it out to the CTF and some of the events we're getting up on the calendar
1410388213344236077056doug.emes2019-05-16T10:36:06.9880000-05:00You betcha. I'm at a ST micro seminar today, but plan on doing more weekend stuff
1411564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-20T17:38:32.5290000-05:00just a heads up, we'll needing to relaunch the bbs. Just been incontact with the fidonet guys and they're trying to setup an uplink with us
1412564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-20T17:39:19.6920000-05:00end goal is one archival of fidonet and two a live network for retro systems to access and communicate with
1413564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-22T14:25:43.5580000-05:00bbslink has accepted our application
1414564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-22T14:26:20.8360000-05:00for those that don't know; BBSlink is a free InterBBS games server that allows any SysOp to easily add registered door games to their system.
1415564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-22T14:26:59.8860000-05:00to elate it to modern social media its; opensocial for bbs boards
1416564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-22T14:27:46.3830000-05:00https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/04/09/029220/die-hard-sysops-are-resurrecting-bbss-from-the-1980s
1417115183069555589125aceat642019-05-22T14:28:47.7940000-05:00I remember using a BBS to see if the library had a book I wanted to borrow
1418388213344236077056doug.emes2019-05-22T15:10:41.1710000-05:00Legend of the Red Dragon was a classic turn based BBS door game
1419564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-22T15:12:40.9060000-05:00😄 yep. LORD was the world's first mmo long before muds or runescape
1420564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-22T15:13:02.8180000-05:00and its still being played
1421564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-22T15:22:14.9550000-05:00its amazing how well developed ansi art has come in the past twenty years or so
1422564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-22T15:22:16.1730000-05:00https://16colo.rs/pack/blocktronics-67rpm/goo-delia.ans
1423564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-22T15:24:54.7420000-05:00and demoscene is still a thing too
1424564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-22T15:24:55.3280000-05:00http://l1demo.org/
1425325498566762299393mizgeek2019-05-23T00:18:07.5950000-05:00The BBS days... I have fond memories. In the 80s, I was the Director of Marketing for a national BBS called Odyssey Online.
1426262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-05-23T01:14:39.7860000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/581002031557378058/demonic-toys.png?ex=67b96b4e&is=67b819ce&hm=fcd9104c873b6c60eca30eabcc10217c6bd5d7a147c632ededed174a30731643&
1427262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-05-23T01:18:05.5940000-05:00I think it would be fun to make a Talk <-> Door
1428300983627351588875im_steve2019-05-23T09:01:13.3070000-05:00Trade wars 2002. So many wasted hours👌 (1)
1429564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-23T16:06:40.2140000-05:00@Draco if one can code up a binkp gateway to talk then it can be done just like fidonet does
1430564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-23T16:08:51.3900000-05:00@MizGeek vaguely remember that board. didn't they run the MajorBBS code base?
1431564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-23T16:10:25.9250000-05:00@I'm_Steve that's next on the list to get setup following that is LORD
1432564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-23T16:11:17.4240000-05:00oh if you guys are wanting to poke around or signup go visit https://bbs.dapla.net or telnet://bbs.dapla.net
1433325498566762299393mizgeek2019-05-24T13:13:42.8400000-05:00@denzuko-at-work It’s been a few decades... I’m not sure if it was Major BBS or Wildcat. I do remember it was heavily modded. It was a huge BBS, we were on Sally Rafael, Good Morning America, Donahue among others. We did a huge meetup in Vegas one year plus weekly ones in Los Angeles . It was a great ride until the IRS seized it because the owner bought cocaine rather than forward withholded taxes. 😮
1434262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-05-24T20:41:52.3950000-05:00I'd like to see it be one of the original dos based BBSes if we are going to run one
1435262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-05-24T20:42:28.2170000-05:00There are ways to have multiple telnet connections to different instances
1436262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-05-24T20:42:57.1880000-05:00perhaps we can write a script to launch one on connect .. or have a pool of them
1437564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-29T17:27:55.8430000-05:00if we're talking dos boards then one just needs a fossil driver that supports telnet then setup each virtual com port as a seperate line.
1438564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-29T17:28:48.1490000-05:00most modern boards (mystic, syncronet, wwvii, etc..) already support something like this built in though so its a bit redundant.
1439564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-29T17:32:42.0490000-05:00@MizGeek if your interested or know anyone that's up for it we could use a few more sysops on xm core
1440325498566762299393mizgeek2019-05-29T17:45:25.5010000-05:00It’s been over 30 years since I was worked for the BBS... I did simple stuff so the programmers could get a break. I was more of the Novell person besides Director of Marketing. Gods... Novell... that was a long time ago.
1441564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-29T17:54:31.7220000-05:00don't remind me.. my first network card was for a ibm ps/2 and pc clone (3Com EtherLink III and some ibm fru from the discount bin)
1442564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-29T17:55:13.6370000-05:00getting netware to work with those was a pain for someone trying to learn pcs and it by hand
1443325498566762299393mizgeek2019-05-29T17:56:49.6200000-05:00I built all my PCs back then... now I’m primarily Mac though forced to do family/ friend tech support on PCs. My PC laptop has needed to go in for warranty repair for 8 months... I didn’t miss it... btw I better do that soon.
1444564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-29T17:58:45.1630000-05:00might be a good idea, never know when a grue will pop up behind you
1445564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-29T18:18:06.1550000-05:00committee meetup: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-committee-meeting-6-19/56747
1446564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-29T18:18:27.8360000-05:00time to get to office hours.
1447325498566762299393mizgeek2019-05-29T21:10:05.0890000-05:00Who says I’m not the grue? 😎
1448388213344236077056doug.emes2019-05-30T00:25:52.0440000-05:00But that is why you prayed in zork!
1449545650746838745089lavarocks.2019-05-30T14:36:45.1970000-05:00@denzuko-at-work Dwight- we are doing a flooring install for ca in the common room this weekend. .
1450545650746838745089lavarocks.2019-05-30T14:37:32.2580000-05:00Do you have a current expansion area?
1451325498566762299393mizgeek2019-05-30T15:03:51.6760000-05:00@denzuko-at-work You were correct. It was Major BBS.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/583747410631852043/image0.png?ex=67b984e4&is=67b83364&hm=aab8863862e5ce8d451954dbb560177172a739beb939cc6085edeaa2d22fa164&👌🏼 (1)
1452564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-30T16:39:28.3270000-05:00@Lavarocks we'll be packed up and ready to roll. What time are you guys getting started?
1453564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-30T17:05:33.8210000-05:00@MizGeek saw your login to the board, thanks for signing up. I promoted you to a sysop on there.
1454564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-30T17:08:42.8110000-05:00There's a few nooks and crannies which help admin the board, the pbx and vm so do be careful. With great power comes greater responsibilities.
1455545650746838745089lavarocks.2019-05-30T17:29:30.4250000-05:00We are starting at 10am but have some leeway
1456262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-05-30T19:02:49.5640000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org ... What is the docker host for the swarm? I'm wanting to test out commands like ``docker service create``
1457262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-05-30T19:04:01.7730000-05:00Is there a single host for connecting to the swarm?
1458262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-05-30T19:04:15.7570000-05:00with the cli
1459262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-05-30T19:05:09.0100000-05:00I need a test bed to bring up services and stacks and take them down
1460262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-05-30T19:05:17.6920000-05:00via the cli
1461262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-05-30T19:41:13.0090000-05:00I guess I'm asking what are the manager node ip addreses
1462325498566762299393mizgeek2019-05-31T01:24:54.5630000-05:00“with great power comes greater responsibility” Gods, do I know that... My MizGeek handle does make me identifiable. 😎 I was pleased to be able to logon with my cell phone, too. Let me know what I can do/learn to do to help.
1463564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-31T13:02:58.1390000-05:00@Draco your correct, there are two managers currently killbill.dms.local and motherboard.dms.local. rackymcrackface.dms.local will also run as a manager once infrastructure is ready to donate the spare 1u server.
1464564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-31T13:05:03.7770000-05:00@MizGeek I'll send you an invite to the trello board and project tracker this weekend. The biggest thing we're needing is cleaning up the menus and installing the ansi art based ones we acquired from ansigarden as a new theme. After that its setting up FSX, Agoranet, and doing upgrades to the latest version.
1465564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-31T13:05:19.6500000-05:00Other than that, usual moderation of topics
1466564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-31T13:06:10.7140000-05:00@here Working on setting up a VCC ran show for the DMS Maker Radio. We're needing your input to give a voice to Racky McRackface
1467325498566762299393mizgeek2019-05-31T13:09:45.7190000-05:00My father used to say I gave good phone. -laugh- Seriously... if needed, I do have a voice.
1468325498566762299393mizgeek2019-05-31T13:10:42.5250000-05:00When I was young, I wanted to be a dj... /ramble off
1469564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-05-31T15:24:09.0770000-05:00well.. now we're needing djs for the dms maker radio. There's ton of open slots so if your wanting to broadcast just let me know what dates and times. One could even use the equipment and obs system here at the space or just post the mp3 files in the vcc committee drive
1470325498566762299393mizgeek2019-06-01T15:28:53.3880000-05:00What is the format? Talk shows? Street interviews? Maker music? Talking is easy. Content is the hard stuff.
1471564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-04T08:07:57.0770000-05:00all the above, or neither.. Think of this as the free open hour at the community public radio. Anyone can play what they want, so long as the audience enjoys it and its focused on maker/art/tech
1472388213344236077056doug.emes2019-06-06T13:54:00.7760000-05:00Tanners has some IBM PC jr's
1473371416661040955403talkers2019-06-06T16:47:09.0170000-05:00@doug.emes are they finally upgrading their registers?
1474131564084226293760ruiner.eth2019-06-06T18:09:24.0140000-05:00ayy lmao
1475131564084226293760ruiner.eth2019-06-06T18:09:37.3990000-05:00yeah, I put a post up about that. seem like a great deal, might get one for myself
1476131564084226293760ruiner.eth2019-06-06T18:09:59.8290000-05:00that black mirror netflix movie got me a little hype, I've been writing a text adventure for a little while now.
1477564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-07T14:13:59.8130000-05:00@RUINER got your IF published anywheres?
1478131564084226293760ruiner.eth2019-06-08T03:02:45.2220000-05:00not yet, no
1479131564084226293760ruiner.eth2019-06-08T03:02:49.9990000-05:00but I'll share when its ready!
1480564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-10T09:28:20.1820000-05:00perfect! I'd love a go at it and if your up for it we could have it ran live in the museum for others to play test
1481131564084226293760ruiner.eth2019-06-18T13:30:07.9550000-05:00cool, that would be an honor
1482131564084226293760ruiner.eth2019-06-18T14:04:55.7150000-05:00I'm also (and this is probably a bad idea) thinking of a telnet based MUD like Guncho
1483131564084226293760ruiner.eth2019-06-18T14:05:20.0700000-05:00that may be more VCC than a modern IF
1484564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-18T14:24:53.0490000-05:00both fit honestly. heck world of warcraft pass the retro test
1485564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-18T14:25:58.9630000-05:00ok just barely. November 23, 2004
1486564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-18T14:26:09.1440000-05:00so only three more years and it fits
1487564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-18T17:28:01.0650000-05:00anyone @here been on fidonet?
1488115183069555589125aceat642019-06-18T17:33:31.8490000-05:00Please don't use here and everyone tags, it tags the entire server
1489564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-18T17:33:42.4660000-05:00eekk sorry
1490564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-18T17:33:53.4820000-05:00thought it was just the channel
1491194641296529424386canibalcrab2019-06-18T17:40:39.8270000-05:00Usually. But everyone in the server has access to the channel so it's effectively the same. In the future I want to have joinable committee roles so you could have tagged @vcc and then it would only be the people interested in getting notifications about this committee
1492564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-18T18:08:16.9610000-05:00good to know
1493564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-19T12:47:17.5100000-05:00here's a concept that works.. what if bash could (with one line) execute code on another machine?
1494564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-19T12:48:11.0040000-05:00``` #localhost!sh$ echo "Hello World"$ ``` $ uux localhost!test.sh
1495564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-19T12:48:54.1230000-05:00As an example, the following command makes UUCP copy the file test.sh to localhost then execute it
1496564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-19T12:51:26.6730000-05:00SYSV5 Unix did things like this before anyone had ssh, rlogin(which was another part of uucp along with rmail/rnews/rexec), or tcp/ip
1497564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-19T12:52:19.7430000-05:00amazingly uucp was transmission layer agnostic so one can still do it over ${x} protocol
1498564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-19T12:52:20.7190000-05:00https://www.bortzmeyer.org/uucp-over-ssh.html
1499564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-19T12:53:23.3090000-05:00now there's a thought for one's next ardunio/rpi project. control it over uucp 😉
1500564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-19T12:54:35.0950000-05:00https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/4019/31a863dde2f9b4e9dfab8cff651209008b9e.pdf
1501262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-06-19T12:55:22.2510000-05:00https://superuser.com/questions/1222996/remote-execution-of-a-shell-script-that-takes-a-local-file-as-an-input-parameter
1502564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-19T12:55:48.1750000-05:00oh and mystery of the she-bang solved. its a uucp path minus the hostname
1503564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-19T12:58:43.8770000-05:00@Draco yep and its very ssh centric. if one wanted that then.. `pip install ansible; ansible -c 'uptime && rm -rf /var/log $RHOST'`
1504564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-19T13:01:00.8460000-05:00not saying either is better or worse just that some systems don't need a tcp/ip stack and that's where uucp works best; being an agnostic way to transfer files/data and execute programs
1505564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-19T13:03:41.6620000-05:00heck, since uucp can do stdio unix pipes as its transport medium then one can use mqtt, http/webdav, openssl or unix domain sockets
1506564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-19T13:03:51.3290000-05:00bet one couldn't say that about ssh?
1507564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-24T18:56:05.4610000-05:00X-Post /c/Electronics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z71h9XZbAWY
1508300080747673288704kenpurcell2019-06-25T09:12:45.3900000-05:00I'm sure the wife loves that taking up the livingroom. 😉 I love it! I saw this several years ago but thanks for reminding us.😃 (1)
1509564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-25T18:10:10.0090000-05:00bunny more than likely would like it then wonder what one could do with it.. lol 😃
1510564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-25T18:11:10.8620000-05:00but anywho, I challenge you guys @vcc to try and find the hidden menus on xmcore (bbs.dapla.net)
1511564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-25T18:11:32.9790000-05:00great way to score some extra points before the ctf or have fun in general
1512564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-26T10:42:41.8910000-05:00Ok other than say qbasic, turbo pascal, turbo c, and L.O.R.D. what other software would we want to see from the DOS era?
1513388213344236077056doug.emes2019-06-26T19:02:32.3720000-05:00Hmmm, star control? Actually, how about wendel Hickens's SCORCHED EARTH
1514564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-27T09:38:33.3230000-05:00Scorched earth!? yes! I remember getting a copy of that from one Amondo r. the security guard for the apartments I was living in doing the mid 90's. He was a complete computer geek and kind of like our Stan in personality. Think I still have a copy in my library.
1515564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-27T09:40:08.1710000-05:00as for star control... looks like we can get 1-3 for about 30.68.
1516564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-27T09:40:48.3780000-05:00if someone puts up a class for vcc I'll go order a copy of star control
1517564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-27T10:24:30.1950000-05:00@MizGeek mind if I ask a favor?
1518564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-27T10:25:51.0460000-05:00Since I'm updating a few menus on the bbs and your an sysop there. Could you go though and try out things then let me know how easy it is to navigate or if there's any areas we need to fix
1519388213344236077056doug.emes2019-06-27T12:11:03.1750000-05:00I own star controls on good ole games
1520388213344236077056doug.emes2019-06-27T12:11:15.2900000-05:00Also have original CD roms for most of then
1521388213344236077056doug.emes2019-06-27T12:11:17.6800000-05:00Them
1522325498566762299393mizgeek2019-06-27T13:10:54.0620000-05:00@denzuko-at-work This week I'm in the hell we call A-kon. Wayne does the lighting for one of the biggest anime conventions. Been doing it for 20 years. It's chaos and a lot of work. I run errands and control access badges for the lighting crew. This is the first time it has been at Fair Park. Tonight when I get back to hotel, I will try otherwise tomorrow night. 🙂
1523325498566762299393mizgeek2019-06-27T13:11:28.2300000-05:00At least we have decent WiFi at the hotel.
1524564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-06-27T13:47:59.4220000-05:00yeah, I meant when one gets some free time. Would love to hear what you find and more about a-kon too when you get done with all of that
1525516152872522743828dinkbatt2019-07-01T07:49:26.3320000-05:00hey what was the project for quakecon again? it was a raspberry pi cluster? running doom? is that multiplayer? what will the display screens look like?
1526564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-01T14:30:15.4720000-05:00@SackOvRats (Brenly) for the quakecon project we'd need to come together as a committee to wrap that up, lots of 3d printing to do. As for display screens are we talking for the quakecon event or the ansi art project?
1527564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-01T14:30:31.8910000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/quakecon-2019-year-of-doom-and-docker-containers/55769/7?u=denzuko
1528516152872522743828dinkbatt2019-07-03T06:25:40.2240000-05:00I am still not fully clear on what the project is after reading that thread. i'm ~starting to get it but it is still a tiny bit abstract. so the monitor for this doom case project will show a game of DOOM being played but each demon will instead be the names of each pi in the cluster? at that rate, wouldn't it be more appropriate to print the pi cluster cases with more style than just a box? especially if it is going to be in a clear shell Can you send me the 3d file? what would each raspberry pi do? Just sit there holding a network identify? i think it'd be cooler if the raspberry pis were ~doing something and then were forced to stop doing the thing when they were terminated. i've alreay got a few ideas for that
1529564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T09:13:23.2660000-05:00> i've already got a few ideas for that Like what?
1530564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T13:15:52.9720000-05:00ok guys, https://dms-2019-ctf.herokuapp.com
1531564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T13:15:58.5700000-05:00pwn it 😉
1532564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T13:34:08.7930000-05:00oh, rules. no DoS-ing, no launching attacks on other sites from this one, and if one changes the site then plant your team flag on the site to prove the clam
1533262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T14:25:52.0710000-05:00@denzuko-at-work ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsS0E4G310Y💯 (1)
1534564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T14:52:49.8860000-05:00the fact that they're actually using an esp8266 for that is quite cool. I wonder if we can make a userport version
1535564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T14:53:58.0900000-05:00yes.. we can
1536564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T14:53:58.5320000-05:00https://1200baud.wordpress.com/2017/03/04/build-your-own-9600-baud-c64-wifi-modem-for-20/
1537564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T14:54:04.3520000-05:00https://1200baud.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/strikelink-wifi-instructions.pdf
1538564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T14:54:16.4340000-05:00gerber files: http://www.mediafire.com/file/easzos3ma4cjdum/strikelink_wifi_gerber_files.zip
1539262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:00:16.3910000-05:00Or you can just get a RS-232 user port adapter
1540262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:00:59.7040000-05:00https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/RS-232
1541564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:02:21.5930000-05:00yeah, GLINK is rather good for that one
1542564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:02:22.0260000-05:00https://gglabs.us/node/2018👍 (1)
1543262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:03:13.4910000-05:00https://irata.online/
1544564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:04:46.8910000-05:00I actually do have GLINKUSB-LT saved in my cart for later so we can hook up the c128 to the mame terminal after its racked up in racky mcrackface
1545564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:05:19.4800000-05:00something about that sentence seems potentially cringe worthy.
1546262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:07:54.8620000-05:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmRMXSdsF-8
1547262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:19:57.4190000-05:00I wonder if anyone has attempted anything to emulate ANSI for the C64
1548262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:19:59.0960000-05:00in color
1549262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:20:11.3630000-05:00even if larger than normal
1550262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:20:37.1100000-05:00might be interesting to change the charset to an IBM look-a-like
1551262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:20:39.9600000-05:00and try it
1552262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:20:48.7290000-05:00you could scroll back and forth
1553262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:20:58.1030000-05:00to see the entire pic
1554564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:21:15.6570000-05:00attempted to back in the 90's it doesn't work too well, one has to send over petscii instead but there might have been better attempts since then
1555262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:21:56.8940000-05:00Well, IBM PCs have a 40 column char set
1556262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:22:06.4980000-05:00I wonder if it could be ported over
1557262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:23:06.3230000-05:00The colors would be off
1558262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:23:18.9410000-05:00but perhaps some sort of compromise
1559564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:23:24.6990000-05:00true and would be interesting to see it done
1560564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:23:37.6850000-05:00oh and looks like there's a few other PLATO systems out there too: https://www.cyber1.org/
1561262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:23:49.7680000-05:00interesting
1562564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:26:09.6720000-05:00I've added irata.online to the doors menu on xmcore and later I'll add this one too under a PLATO menu
1563564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:26:32.6800000-05:00wow
1564564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:26:33.2470000-05:00https://www.engadget.com/2013/08/17/the-game-archaeologist-the-plato-mmos-part-2/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKeUpySVvYHBBZpHhstjs8U_foQIXX2IVlrF2toRG8g5glomJRMyciZxZSV8G4gzT8ZOLQu1MibBIqHa1XdB_9J_Pq3c-I5GKuJ90YoXPlXptIzz-lP00BoK6WskuhTZN4efTIjv5-Ju_8yFJrceQb-tdqRj856w4Ts66lXs39gL
1565564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:26:40.8940000-05:00plato had MMOS?
1566564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:27:03.5970000-05:00sorry MUDs
1567262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:27:31.6690000-05:00Do you remember Roboterm?
1568564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:27:55.6250000-05:00vaguely
1569262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:28:06.5870000-05:00https://web.archive.org/web/20070405123756/http://www.deepmetrix.com/about_us/our_history/roboboard/
1570262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:29:52.3210000-05:00another for the amiga https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skypix
1571262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:30:07.4110000-05:00It was like the evolution to the web
1572262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:30:18.4220000-05:00just starting
1573564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:31:28.0910000-05:00wasn't that like RIP?
1574262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:35:19.6780000-05:00I think that is another one
1575262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:35:24.9010000-05:00https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Imaging_Protocol
1576262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:36:10.9200000-05:00Do you remember LoadStar?
1577262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T15:36:18.2820000-05:00That was a magazine on a disk
1578564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:37:35.5910000-05:00nah I didn't know about that one
1579564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:37:42.5210000-05:00https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loadstar_(magazine)
1580564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:38:20.0460000-05:00didn't read a lot of the zines back in the day other than 2600 or binrev
1581564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:39:12.7360000-05:00there was a local sig that had thier one computer zine that was in nearly every shop back in denver though that I would go out of my way to try and track down
1582564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:42:59.9250000-05:00Think it was, Rocky Mountain Amiga User's Group (RMAU)
1583564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:44:32.9760000-05:00might also been http://www.rmiug.org
1584564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-03T15:45:15.9690000-05:00but I doubt it the zine went out of publication some time in the late 90's to early y2k's
1585388213344236077056doug.emes2019-07-03T17:49:17.4240000-05:00I remember RIP on the bbs's, had a friend who wrote some.commercial game using it.
1586262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T17:54:08.3100000-05:00https://archive.org/search.php?query=loadstar
1587262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-03T17:55:25.5520000-05:00https://archive.org/details/loadstar_disk
1588564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-12T16:41:03.8430000-05:00https://blog.codybunch.com/page2/
1589564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-12T16:41:38.1740000-05:00great write up on how to use the communitygrid stack for mining setups
1590564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-16T08:38:25.7640000-05:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMZrUPBt-7M
1591262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-07-17T10:08:29.4790000-05:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkUwT9U1GzA
1592564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-17T14:32:31.9880000-05:00nice. Love his videos on game cracking
1593564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-19T13:13:34.9080000-05:00Github is getting its own version of IFTTT and CICD
1594564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-19T13:13:35.6790000-05:00https://www.infoworld.com/article/3313115/github-actions-to-let-developers-do-cicd-in-github.html
1595564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-19T17:28:23.6730000-05:00See you guys at Tomorrow's CTF
1596564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-19T17:28:53.1110000-05:00got to rush home and fix a finish up the presentation
1597207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-24T20:41:04.4930000-05:00Guys, i"m butting my head up on an issue. How the hell does one create a bin (cd binary) file for authoring a disk from contents with a folder?
1598207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-24T20:41:34.5980000-05:00and *no* I don't mean ISO. There's a custom cue file that I'm trying to use to master this disc
1599325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-25T00:29:55.0760000-05:00Ten years ago I could have answered that. I can’t even remember the software I used.
1600564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-25T08:18:36.9700000-05:00lol. that's the issue at hand. all the documentation for cue files still lives. But for creating the bin file; well not even archive.org has that
1601325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-25T12:58:10.7150000-05:00😱 Wayback has everything!
1602564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-25T14:05:53.8840000-05:00oh.. no they don't. if robots.txt blocked crawlers then good luck. I can't even find any of the old articles/releases from http://phreak.org/
1603564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-25T14:06:08.3220000-05:00but damn.. do they have a cool museum: http://phreak.org/0x02/
1604207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T22:59:33.8080000-05:00https://photos.app.goo.gl/qN7EViUHkVWui4dp8
1605207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T22:59:40.4320000-05:00Halpss pls.. oh great pc master race fellows. It wont boot?
1606325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-25T23:04:20.5090000-05:00Oh noes!!!
1607325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-25T23:05:39.8480000-05:00(Bless you for the distraction as I sit in this hospital waiting for a baby to arrive.) #grandbabywait2019
1608207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T23:12:03.9850000-05:00Congratulations @MizGeek
1609207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T23:15:15.5840000-05:00Pulled the video and ram.. no luck :/https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/604164809168257025/JPEG_20190725_231425.jpg?ex=67b94f53&is=67b7fdd3&hm=80052124b01683e418ba406825df48793441361532f4db8290e92b5aa16f8365&
1610325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-25T23:15:51.5020000-05:00That is my go to solution. Ugh
1611207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T23:23:30.5200000-05:00next up cycling the cmos
1612207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T23:25:19.0200000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/604167339835129857/JPEG_20190725_232506.jpg?ex=67b951ae&is=67b8002e&hm=55140251e9ef0fea8bd444a62bfa8309d0e313084979ad15e1b84bdfcc730a58&
1613207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T23:25:30.5120000-05:00Battery looks a little warn down
1614325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-25T23:26:02.6970000-05:00Which parts aren’t new?
1615207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T23:26:50.0290000-05:00Motherboard, case , cpu
1616207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T23:29:34.6810000-05:00tomshardware hints at 15 min wait for cycling the cmos, tried 2 Going to try again and wait longer
1617207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T23:29:46.7710000-05:00: sigh :
1618207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T23:30:23.5920000-05:00Guess we're both waiting for new family members to be born ;)
1619207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T23:32:47.8430000-05:00Time to make a trip to Walmart
1620325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-25T23:35:13.5180000-05:00Yours will e more fun sooner 😝
1621325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-25T23:35:27.4220000-05:00Will *be more
1622207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T23:55:48.8860000-05:00New battery installedhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/604175015142752257/JPEG_20190725_235522.jpg?ex=67b958d4&is=67b80754&hm=c8b70ffba081ce2dd63a64f46da21e502c23c6594d3c6b8f92f5d10a58abe84c&
1623325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-25T23:56:08.9690000-05:00Is it happier?
1624207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T23:56:43.2340000-05:00Nope :(
1625325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-25T23:56:50.9990000-05:00Crap
1626325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-25T23:57:15.5860000-05:00Do you have a working computer to swap parts into?
1627207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-25T23:58:48.3420000-05:00Not this newer or desktop. Mostly have servers, soc, and mobile/tablets /laptops
1628325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-25T23:59:16.1050000-05:00Bleh
1629207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:01:17.7700000-05:00other than the CPU and mobo it's all factory sealed new parts so im suspecting the board or cpu
1630325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:02:34.3520000-05:00Factory sealed new has failed me before. I distrust them all. Especially if it came from Frye’s
1631207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:05:00.1100000-05:00Yeah had a few returns in the day
1632325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:05:35.2960000-05:00When I lived in Southern California, I had friends that worked for hardware companies. If they had batches where a lot were failing QA, they would just sell discounted to Frye’s. -shudder-
1633207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:09:45.1470000-05:00Good thing I don't shop at frys for anything major then
1634207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:09:49.7880000-05:00https://forums.tomshardware.com/faq/no-post-system-wont-boot-and-no-video-output-troubleshooting-checklist.1575220/
1635207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:10:15.9700000-05:00All check.. going to try without the ram
1636325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:10:45.9290000-05:00-crosses fingers-
1637325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:11:16.0050000-05:00I love how number one is READ THE MANUAL. Give a tech writer a job!
1638207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:11:44.9850000-05:00me too
1639325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:12:00.3880000-05:00That is an awesome checklist
1640207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:12:43.2470000-05:00Yeah way better then the a+ certification checklists
1641207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:14:57.3270000-05:00Guess what just popped out
1642325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:15:12.8430000-05:00Ram?
1643325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:15:32.3080000-05:00Plug?
1644207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:15:45.1340000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/604180032889290780/JPEG_20190726_001520.jpg?ex=67b95d80&is=67b80c00&hm=192596636eb24f1b694df20797e0d1b311d0c42120cd6ea6b98f1dc6b14ea20d&
1645207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:15:54.8110000-05:00Cpu power
1646325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:15:56.1560000-05:00Aha!
1647207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:17:38.5070000-05:00https://youtu.be/6EpJxGGZwsI
1648207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:21:25.2350000-05:00:(
1649325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:21:30.0080000-05:00-laugh-
1650207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:21:50.0640000-05:00got it seated but still the same thing
1651325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:22:04.9770000-05:00Bah
1652325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:25:33.5440000-05:00It has to be a power thing
1653207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:27:35.7270000-05:00I wonder if we can barrow a 500w psu from someone to test?
1654325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:28:30.8910000-05:00I’m in Tyler, TX. -rolls eyes-
1655207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:29:10.7420000-05:00Ah.. that is a ways..
1656325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:30:18.8660000-05:00We won’t be home till Tuesday. Baby came early and torced our plans.
1657325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:31:01.0380000-05:00Great grandfather can’t even get here until tomorrow
1658207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:31:29.0810000-05:00Guess ill call it a night for now and try again after tomorrows events
1659325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:31:44.3990000-05:00Sweet dreams
1660207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-26T00:31:59.8880000-05:00You too and good luck :)
1661325498566762299393mizgeek2019-07-26T00:32:32.4310000-05:00Thx
1662564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-29T11:36:56.6130000-05:00holy... crap!! Chrome supports area maps?!?
1663564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-29T11:36:57.3980000-05:00https://www.spacejam.com/archive/spacejam/movie/cmp/souvenirs/souvenirsframes.html
1664564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-29T11:37:04.0690000-05:00still works
1665605386336215629825andrewbarroso76872019-07-29T16:23:34.0520000-05:00hey denzuko, I mentioned this to you before - Capital factory (Tech Incubator) and Rainbow vomit (immersive art exhibit down by fair park) both have phone booths which they are open to putting Phreaker devices into. I'd love to personally fund these if you get me a list of what you need and if it sounds like a cool project to you. Would absolutely love to publicize this or connect it to any VCC initiatives if you want that as well. Don't be afraid to say no, I know we're busy around here!
1666207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-29T16:41:41.1810000-05:00@Andrew Barroso I'm game. Lets set up a few working sessions to dedicate time to move this forward
1667207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-29T21:15:04.5600000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/605584115588136980/20190729_205721.jpg?ex=67b93328&is=67b7e1a8&hm=85fdf4c6f6f7074d86171da3910124253dc13d361a326219494d7f766d924067&
1668207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-29T21:15:14.5310000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/605584157657006091/20190729_205711.jpg?ex=67b93332&is=67b7e1b2&hm=89733cc09dfd0968a4038efa6d62ed7ff8ff86f0dd8328be1f884e41c6ef5382&
1669207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-29T21:15:28.8720000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/605584217627164692/20190729_205727.jpg?ex=67b93340&is=67b7e1c0&hm=d62e2811cf174390c80c7d4ba3baff39facf0c559cbc32a6d01406fb35450373&👏 (1)
1670207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-29T21:16:18.2510000-05:00Extra space achieved
1671207961619538378762denzuko2019-07-29T21:17:24.4250000-05:00Still need a truck to help bring the rest on site
1672300083517877125121andrew51522019-07-30T05:25:20.6460000-05:00lookin' good!💯 (1)
1673564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-30T12:31:49.6050000-05:00Looks like the wiki is starting to get some attention. Lets make sure we keep the wiki up to date as we move forward.
1674488485682184978442yashsedai2019-07-30T12:47:11.2100000-05:00hahahahaha
1675564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-07-30T13:29:26.3700000-05:00@yashsedai yes I know.. but still it all helps
1676547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-01T18:35:23.6750000-05:00$10-$20 for a new HSF for the ancient home desktop or save my pennies for a new rig?
1677547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-01T18:36:27.9270000-05:002008's best technology - in 2019https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/606631356260286510/unknown.png?ex=67b9b6b9&is=67b86539&hm=77b1a3fc0bd15e0574dee26749869b6bf409c00807923e5cbb2d7703f8727c68&
1678207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-01T18:59:03.3310000-05:00@ESmith depends on what your doing, if your wanting to play the latest games or do 4k vid then sure upgrade otherwise go for it.
1679207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-01T19:02:57.2500000-05:00the only downside one can think of is that CPU series is vulnerable to Meltdown, Spectre and Spectre derivative attacks.
1680547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-01T19:13:41.6700000-05:00The OS patches for those took a serious bite out of performance
1681547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-01T19:14:30.2860000-05:00Intel was going to patch that far back at one point - haven't checked on the status of that delivery
1682547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-01T19:16:08.3340000-05:00HSF has walked off the CPU once already so odds are I'm on borrowed time at this point
1683547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-01T20:56:45.2120000-05:00I miss Ars Technica posting build guides
1684207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-01T21:55:17.7090000-05:00Yea those were rather good. Sucks no one does that for tablets and mobile phones
1685547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T07:25:42.9570000-05:00hm, apparently intel decided not to update microcode for lynnfield processors after all
1686564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-02T10:03:57.3080000-05:00that sucks
1687564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-02T10:05:00.9790000-05:00though I'm glad that most arm processors are not affected.
1688547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T10:26:25.3210000-05:00can't be a lot of them in the wild anymore
1689547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T10:26:32.9500000-05:00tis the tragic nature of the economy
1690564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-02T12:05:46.3790000-05:00what arm processors? pretty sure those are the most used processors these days
1691547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T12:11:00.9650000-05:00that I've not tracked
1692564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-02T12:53:43.2490000-05:00http://gs.statcounter.com/platform-market-share/desktop-mobile-tablet, mobile has 51.19% market share so that means the bulk that is arm from Samsung and huawei.
1693564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-02T12:53:49.8880000-05:00Even Apple made the switch
1694564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-02T12:54:33.0650000-05:00https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcochiappetta/2019/02/24/intel-reportedly-confirms-apples-move-to-custom-arm-based-processors-in-future-macintosh-systems/#3c77f2d11d30
1695547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T12:58:06.4880000-05:00AAPL has presumably always been aware of the risks of relying on powerful vendors for critical components
1696547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T12:58:46.5890000-05:00of the 3 major suppliers in the PC game - MSFT, intel, and the PC OEM - 2 have historically made great margins while the third made subsistence wages
1697547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T12:59:34.5060000-05:00AAPL might have subsumed MSFT in that triangle but is not keen to deal with a powerful adversary like intel
1698547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T13:00:22.9280000-05:00now if ARM can reach per-*core* performance parity with intel that will be interesting since parallelizing workloads has always been a challenge
1699547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T13:01:33.5800000-05:00ARM can throw a lot of cores per unit area of silicon relative to intel and AMD
1700564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-02T13:01:57.3370000-05:00have you seen the 32 core Cortex-A57?
1701547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T13:02:35.2830000-05:00nope
1702564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-02T13:04:41.6860000-05:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAM_GUp4uK0
1703547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T13:04:56.1870000-05:00video, man. can't.
1704547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T13:06:34.8390000-05:00and I'm sure than an ARM rep is going to have nothing but glowing things to say about their product at a trade show
1705564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-02T13:06:43.0910000-05:00their dual quad core version are more famously used in the Tegra X1 SoC chipset. which also includes a 256 core GPU
1706564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-02T13:08:55.4320000-05:00sure I'll give you that yes these are all just names and most of the benchmarks one finds are focused on gpu performance than cpu. but we're entering into an era where ram is both storage and block device and gpus out pace cpus
1707547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T13:10:45.8200000-05:00and yet GPUs aren't outright replacing CPUs
1708547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T13:11:40.8470000-05:00last I read on the offerings from traditional GPU vendors they're talking *thousands* of cores
1709207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-02T13:17:32.4310000-05:00Of course. A computer has a lot more to do then cruch trillions of numbers. Heck at one time pcs needed a co processor just for math and then one just for direct memory access.
1710207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-02T13:19:55.5920000-05:00No way we're ever going to have one chip replace the others 100% but at some point if there's an improvement it gets intergrated into a smaller package
1711547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-02T14:01:47.7850000-05:00curious if we'll see something like the d-wave as a more widely-spread accessory processor ala GPUs
1712207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-05T17:06:15.1550000-05:00Mounts for the interactive displays came and are now installed
1713207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-05T17:06:22.9030000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608058243511615634/20190805_170509.jpg?ex=67b9a19e&is=67b8501e&hm=fc5b4101cac8768bbd6b894c5a2d705855797c06689ab9b5c0bef2fab1105ced&,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608058244996268032/20190805_170458.jpg?ex=67b9a19e&is=67b8501e&hm=fa51a55f6637be9b335e6129d2ddcb978d67fda876316aaa69190c0e5b7ef43c&
1714207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-05T17:07:11.4170000-05:00Cables, wall runners, and folding desk is in route
1715547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-06T12:05:05.8750000-05:00I clearly haven't kept up with computing platforms. So much memory is being adertised as being Intel Z370 specific ... but otherwise DDR4 PC3kwhatever 288-pin. Going to assume that since we've gotten beyond the RAMbus clusterf_ck that DDR4 288-pin works with intel and AMD A-OK.
1716207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T17:27:41.4300000-05:00Security Screws came in and now the mount plate workshttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608788382037966886/20190807_172457.jpg?ex=67b9a69d&is=67b8551d&hm=84cd9aca31cbebead187796aa2df20b2d4081f31554a26cac3e5d554b517c229&
1717207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T17:27:59.7810000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608788459359830017/JPEG_20190807_172755.jpg?ex=67b9a6af&is=67b8552f&hm=cf95283cb5b2c1530ca8fe86a321f27ae21244c96a81bfe8c1b466606c55f09d&
1718207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T17:28:29.5020000-05:00Handset beforehttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608788584610398278/JPEG_20190807_172826.jpg?ex=67b9a6cd&is=67b8554d&hm=3bd4cf132580cf8c44617c9b2743620e28b2ce5f644962a718139155dd37e804&
1719207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T17:28:54.8940000-05:00Afterhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608788691258834964/JPEG_20190807_172851.jpg?ex=67b9a6e6&is=67b85566&hm=409c7adaa06b92df67013a56d68619a7bab052595b71ae50bbb7a9ce610e3592&
1720207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T18:21:33.0210000-05:00Locks ahoyhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608801936866672641/JPEG_20190807_182102.jpg?ex=67b9b33c&is=67b861bc&hm=65abb1e07c1f6dd506501cd09e3389df1c3a4da31158350c5900c3fa8b889e46&👍 (1)
1721207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T18:21:55.7740000-05:00Thanks @Patrickpleez1 for helping
1722207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T18:22:17.2570000-05:00Now.. to get the t lock open
1723207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T18:37:14.7520000-05:00https://www.payphone.com/Upper-Lock-and-Key-Set.html
1724207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T18:37:23.3720000-05:00Replacement upper lock
1725207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T18:38:29.8320000-05:00https://www.payphone.com/medeco-lower-lock-key-set.html
1726207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T18:38:35.7290000-05:00Replacement lower
1727207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T18:41:54.0610000-05:00T key in route, should be here on the 9th
1728207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T19:19:53.6180000-05:00folding desk, beforehttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608816619866554390/JPEG_20190807_191945.jpg?ex=67b9c0e9&is=67b86f69&hm=7accffbde1d576787521d4e3fdc47d8e1ff3a7b4bb9a0fcc20b814bbdceba5b9&
1729207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T22:59:06.9210000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608871788557893635/JPEG_20190807_225857.jpg?ex=67b94b8a&is=67b7fa0a&hm=f75d825a5779d93bd284fdc245635cb542a5dde51aa246bfcd6c8a2b76abcdfa&
1730207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T23:00:20.4310000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608872096747225118/JPEG_20190807_230007.jpg?ex=67b94bd4&is=67b7fa54&hm=677b3ff263331ea571aa555b1fd62e8ed1d7b86009a9d23550ba7f7c6266a320&
1731207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T23:01:04.0460000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608872280273190933/JPEG_20190807_230054.jpg?ex=67b94bff&is=67b7fa7f&hm=b38e34df5389be6ea1dd9c7dc3d69d0910fdeaa73037f7666771bd46821f7b08&
1732207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-07T23:01:11.1290000-05:00More to come
1733564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-08T11:20:09.1780000-05:00Have you guys ever seen one of these?
1734564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-08T11:20:10.0700000-05:00http://1541ultimate.net/content/images/U64_proto.JPG
1735564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-08T11:21:46.6180000-05:00https://www.vintageisthenewold.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/IMG_20181003_172703.jpg
1736564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-08T11:23:30.9510000-05:00https://www.youtube.com/embed/_dLngrMQnNw?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&autohide=2&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&wmode=transparent
1737564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-08T11:25:27.6700000-05:00goes for about $221.46 so might take a bit but what do you guys say, should we include it in the museum?
1738564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-14T17:42:56.0330000-05:00Committee Meeting next week - https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-committee-meeting-wednesday-24-7-30/60976
1739385477767179010049stephenie.2019-08-16T14:12:24.6020000-05:00What is the official name of this committee? October 19, 2018 @Denzuko.sdf.org changed the name on the wiki's category tag to "Computer Committee" but elsewhere it's still called "VCC". Asking for financial forms.
1740385477767179010049stephenie.2019-08-16T14:14:23.8300000-05:00And can't find minutes renaming Committee.
1741316809616828923904hon1nbo2019-08-16T14:26:18.1490000-05:00may have something to do with SDC not being active?
1742316809616828923904hon1nbo2019-08-16T14:26:30.6100000-05:00I don't recall what happened formally, if anything, but there is no chair of SDC and they aren't active
1743262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-16T15:25:15.7350000-05:00I am the vice chair of SDC and we are having a meeting coming up
1744488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-16T15:29:30.8180000-05:00lol
1745564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-16T15:30:39.1820000-05:00@stephenie its officially VCC computer committee but if one is looking up in quick books they have us as 'vintage' never have gotten much motion to have it updated properly since the committee was started. but VCC has been short for VCC Computer Committee so which ever works for you.
1746316809616828923904hon1nbo2019-08-16T16:11:03.4630000-05:00@Draco where are minutes of this? You're still listed as a vice chair, the listed chair isn't a member when we checked, and there aren't minutes of anything recent (latest was in 2018), and there isn't even a role of chair listed
1747316809616828923904hon1nbo2019-08-16T16:12:42.4330000-05:00Correction, one meeting in 2019... To elect the chair that isn't around anymore
1748316809616828923904hon1nbo2019-08-16T16:12:56.9570000-05:00There are no minutes electing you as a chair I can find.
1749385477767179010049stephenie.2019-08-16T16:13:04.7200000-05:00Let's move this to the #deleted-channel channel
1750207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-20T18:48:43.9130000-05:00Don't forget, team vcc. We meet tomorrow night in the new committee area
1751432401820569042944kevpat2019-08-22T01:37:27.7220000-05:00Anyone on here have an networking certs
1752591466827117363218jediclick2019-08-22T15:00:12.1890000-05:00How many Cisco certified members do you need DMS to have in order to get the grant Kevin?
1753388213344236077056doug.emes2019-08-22T17:00:24.7390000-05:00Fyi per the meeting last night, I spoke with the ADM, and informed him I would be documenting / collecting the processes he manually executes. He was happy to hear it.
1754262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:05:45.1450000-05:00Thanks @doug.emes
1755262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:07:20.2030000-05:00Does anyone know of a software where you can build a form and have it execute a query based on the form? Basically, you can setup a series of queries that someone can just click to run and/or fill a form out and run.
1756262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:08:17.4840000-05:00Something can be written to do this but I'm wondering if there isn't something out there already that is GUI or Web
1757262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:08:37.6820000-05:00Perhaps something with LDAP user permissions
1758591466827117363218jediclick2019-08-22T17:27:33.9700000-05:00We should discuss security as well. We will want to inspect that sql before passing it. Want to voice chat about the process?
1759262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:42:30.1070000-05:00I think the idea is that the user wouldn't need access to the SQL but it could be designed in the GUI by the admin
1760262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:43:01.6500000-05:00For example, there could be query for the number of members
1761262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:43:09.4400000-05:00or a voting members list
1762262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:43:22.9290000-05:00or one that fixes a badge problem
1763262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:43:46.3590000-05:00and you could hand out rights to different people based upon their AD group
1764262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:45:12.4990000-05:00It would also be cool if there was an API for it
1765262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:45:46.0170000-05:00Only the admins would get arbitrary SQL access
1766262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:45:57.9470000-05:00or it could be by database as well
1767262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:46:24.9600000-05:00I think it could be a very useful open source project
1768262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T17:51:00.9680000-05:00Version 2 might have running of scripts and scheduled tasks
1769591466827117363218jediclick2019-08-22T17:56:49.6790000-05:00I'm probably making some wrong assumptions about what the fix will do since we don't have the details from dougemes yet. I've been assuming that a name would need to be input.
1770207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-22T18:17:12.0600000-05:00openfaas function which runs the bash script. Only need to sanitize inputs of any. but this is solution crafting where a process or problem is not defined. For all we know it just takes a fork and some banging on a keyboard to get to work
1771207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-22T18:19:21.2740000-05:00if its that simple we could just pay a monkey in bananas to do that Hopefully we get my point here
1772262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T18:30:41.0040000-05:00I am describing a project that might could do the badge problem but really is a separate project for general use. You are correct that we need to wait on the badge issue from Stan. I'm just thinking it would be a cool thing to have
1773432401820569042944kevpat2019-08-22T23:05:19.5790000-05:00KISS & Laser focus. Don't make it to fix every possible future thing. Just fix that one button's action on that one web page in that one website. It's triage not long term goals.
1774262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T23:54:25.8570000-05:00I guess I shouldn't have mentioned it ...
1775262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-22T23:56:08.8390000-05:00because ya'll are applying it to the maker manager issue
1776316809616828923904hon1nbo2019-08-23T02:10:35.6560000-05:00@Draco security for sql isn't just about who can craft a query. It's about sanitizing any and all user interaction before a query is execute, even indirect parameters.
1777262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T05:39:19.8620000-05:00Of course it is
1778262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T05:40:08.8010000-05:00Yes you are correct
1779262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T05:40:32.7010000-05:00In this software, I'm considering not allowing SQL
1780262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T08:45:53.4490000-05:00The new minutes are up https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Computer_Committee_Meeting_20190821
1781262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T08:56:58.3960000-05:00@denzuko-at-work Here is the proposed board agenda item ``` ===Merge VCC and Software Development Committees (Mike Cole [Draco], Dwight Spenser, et al)=== '''Problem''': We have two committees that overlap in purpose and would be better served to be merged into one committee. The committees have jointly voted to merge and have voted upon a name. '''Solution''': Merge VCC and Software Development Committee into one committee and name the committee “Hackerspace.” All funds, equipment and resources from both committees shall be merged. Direct committee to hold a vote for a new chair. Brief Purpose: In the Hackerspace you learn how to create software and hack hardware. '''Relevance''': N/A. No additional funds required. ```
1782488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T08:57:53.4170000-05:00So what maker manager problem are you trying to solve?
1783262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T08:59:34.3440000-05:00There is an issue with maker manager that it is not allowing badges to be imported correctly from Smartwaiver. Stan has been doing much of it manually for some time. What was proposed was an automated band-aid fix, basically doing what Stan has been doing until we can fix Maker Manager.
1784207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-23T09:06:37.5060000-05:00New minutes or sdc minutes added to vcc meeting minutes? Formality here matters. Its still two committees until the board weights in on the matter.
1785262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:07:05.9880000-05:00Software Development is redirecting to VCC on the Wiki for some reason
1786262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:07:43.2360000-05:00I put it as a joint committee meeting
1787262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:07:48.5990000-05:00and linked both categories
1788207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-23T09:07:48.6790000-05:00Category:software
1789207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-23T09:08:19.8980000-05:00just making sure our ducks are in a row here
1790262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:09:56.7460000-05:00Certainly ... it is strange, you search "Software Development" and you get Computer Committee .. but there is a "Software Development Committee" page as well ... but at the bottom there is a whole lot of "Computer Committee" minutes
1791262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:10:35.7210000-05:00Oh well ... it is on both categories and the page says joint committee meetings linking to both calendar pages
1792262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:11:34.7970000-05:00Should I put up the agenda item?
1793262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:11:54.9700000-05:00Just wanted to get an okay from you
1794262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:12:17.9710000-05:00We have to do it today
1795262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:12:33.0720000-05:00and I will be busy most of the day with other thigns
1796262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:13:31.2320000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org
1797488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T09:14:35.6340000-05:00SmartWaiver: {"unique_id":"PAui5NGgmthHN6AgtzpyHK","credential":"redact","event":"new-waiver"} [2019-08-22 21:17:34] production.ERROR: Undefined offset: 1 {"exception":"[object] (ErrorException(code: 0): Undefined offset: 1 at /srv/www/makermanager.dallasmakerspace.org/app/releases/11/app/Listeners/InsertWaiver.php:53)
1798488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T09:16:05.0650000-05:00so
1799488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T09:16:27.9940000-05:00I set the programmer to having a look at this
1800488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T09:16:32.0710000-05:00previously
1801488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T09:16:41.6050000-05:00i have not checked in with him this week
1802262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:16:50.7700000-05:00Do you mean Andrew?
1803488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T09:16:57.9270000-05:00no
1804488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T09:17:04.5550000-05:00I have a paid programmer
1805488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T09:17:39.6570000-05:00i've used him for things I needed done yesterday
1806262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:17:43.5300000-05:00There is a whole lot of deprecations in Maker Manager
1807488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T09:17:51.3080000-05:00i wouldnt disagree
1808262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:18:08.1040000-05:00It is using old code ... I had to upgrade all of them when I redid the calendar
1809262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:18:23.5640000-05:00It is most likely using an old Smartwaiver library
1810488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T09:18:23.8450000-05:00its interesting that it occurs about 10 percent of the time
1811207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-23T09:20:37.3480000-05:00@draco, send me the verbage I'll have time at lunch.
1812262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:20:45.6780000-05:00I won't have time
1813262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:20:51.0150000-05:00The verbage is above
1814262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:21:05.9510000-05:00We have to get it in before the 48 hour window ...
1815262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:21:12.5240000-05:00If you want to submit it, that is fine
1816262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:24:58.6100000-05:00It needs to be on the agenda before 3pm today
1817262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-08-23T09:33:42.2890000-05:00I also PMed it to you
1818207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-23T09:36:30.2250000-05:00Thank you
1819564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-23T13:47:34.6830000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/committee-project-fundraiser/61411
1820564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-23T13:49:45.7140000-05:00https://trello.com/b/8Ua31tbl/fundraiser-event
1821591466827117363218jediclick2019-08-23T13:55:41.4280000-05:00This may be a dumb question but is this "garage sale" being coordinated with any other committees that want to do the same thing? It would make sense to have multiple groups sell things at the same time and ideally we could funnel all of the non-member foot traffic to the same area.
1822488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T14:08:34.8060000-05:00I believe there is still some question to the issue of "garage sales"
1823488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T14:08:43.2700000-05:00from a finance and org perspective
1824488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T14:08:46.8250000-05:00i realize we have had them
1825488485682184978442yashsedai2019-08-23T14:08:57.6310000-05:00but they tend to over look rules ...
1826564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-23T14:31:12.1610000-05:00@JediClick Sounds like there's a chance for that but I'd like to make sure that everyone involved is on the same page. lets chat doing office hours
1827115183069555589125aceat642019-08-23T14:31:24.4420000-05:00in theory they can be done, as long as we show they are open to the public and publicized
1828115183069555589125aceat642019-08-23T14:32:05.5310000-05:00the issue would be selling stuff to "insiders" (read: DMS members) at or below cost, since that falls under stuff like private benefit, excess benefit, etc
1829115183069555589125aceat642019-08-23T14:32:11.7150000-05:00irs non-profit rules are fun
1830564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-23T15:03:36.1550000-05:00Promotional slidedeck: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10pCfF7KxMEkzQA8huw24ys6ezmBGkch8koJGSLUXgE8/edit?usp=sharing
1831564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-23T15:04:14.2350000-05:00Guys I'm going to need contact details to update our committee management spreadsheet
1832115183069555589125aceat642019-08-23T15:22:19.3060000-05:00suggestion for a sign for the new merged committee: The two hardest problems in computer science: 1. cache invalidation 2. naming things 3. off-by-one errors
1833564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-23T15:31:06.0780000-05:00don't forget divide by zero, and p vs np problems 😉
1834401821163489329153sindarius2019-08-23T16:05:30.6830000-05:00"There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't"😁 (1)
1835400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-08-23T16:38:29.6840000-05:00@denzuko-at-work I'll be there tomorrow to help move stuff. 1 pm at DMS, correct?
1836564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-23T16:43:45.4160000-05:00@DJ Vance we'll meet at studio42 where things are to be moved from. Its 18 minutes away from DMS.
1837564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-23T16:44:07.9950000-05:00Believe I was just texting you the address. Correct?
1838564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-23T16:45:23.5150000-05:00if not. text me. 512-920-8169
1839207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-25T15:27:57.6780000-05:00Committee stuff is on site. We need to get this ready for the fundraiser asap.
1840207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-25T15:28:41.1890000-05:00cant have things cluttering up the space
1841385477767179010049stephenie.2019-08-25T15:34:32.7360000-05:00You need to get with @Cat_Skat about holding a fundraiser.
1842207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-25T15:37:06.7300000-05:00had that talk with the last board but will be glad to have that talk again
1843385477767179010049stephenie.2019-08-25T15:38:25.7630000-05:00We did not have a working Finance Group during the last board, so best to revisit.
1844385477767179010049stephenie.2019-08-25T15:38:33.5500000-05:00Thanks
1845207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-25T15:39:23.2070000-05:00would not be involving any property owned by dms but yes we will engage finance asap👌 (1)
1846564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-08-28T12:17:07.4070000-05:00Office hours are still being held tonight: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/13770
1847207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-28T18:40:04.4320000-05:00got pulled into a sev1 outage for my work. Ill keep the event on the calendar and be glad to jump into voice chat here. But do work out the direction forward.
1848591466827117363218jediclick2019-08-28T21:19:10.4840000-05:00I showed up just after 7:00. No one was there. I left.
1849207961619538378762denzuko2019-08-28T22:01:09.5100000-05:00we had a call and there was a few of us hanging out. expect some great news shortly
1850547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-31T22:57:20.9160000-05:00I find myself needing a USB-only KVM, without video. Plenty of marquees on the 'Zon of the 6-18 month half-life variety in the $20 range that do 2-4 peripherals pointing to 2 computers; I need just 2 peripherals pointing to 3 computers. I'd rather not RAMSWAN or whatnot but I'm not sure it's worth the 3 figures that name brands want either.
1851388213344236077056doug.emes2019-08-31T23:01:05.5390000-05:00Logi has nice mouse that works with 3 pcs, maybe they have kb Too? Or is bluetooth not allowed
1852547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-31T23:02:29.5450000-05:00Got a decent mouse and keyboard and I try to avoid wireless for stationary applications
1853547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-31T23:03:41.4230000-05:00I derped and forgot that USB != PS/2. This will likely suffice: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Y3CTDAY
1854547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-31T23:15:28.8680000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/617573216067649547/IMG_20190831_183624711.jpg?ex=67b94f60&is=67b7fde0&hm=be54244a11a81756e503158b6e39f185daeb0b76eae2b1b77c968a3bdf18d0aa&
1855547106163842613259nullinterface2019-08-31T23:16:50.2950000-05:00Working on the *Dr Evil* setup. Monitor has a variety of splitscreen modes. Will probably soon reduce it down to just a laptop and the new desktop, but for now there's the possibility of juggling three machines.
1856207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-01T17:52:24.6130000-05:00Nice. Got myself one with built in displaylink but my current battle station is going to have software kvm with tablets and chromecast monitors as secondary displays to the main laptop and cpu cluster in the closet
1857207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-01T17:53:20.3410000-05:00Got parts coming in to upgrade the network so ill grab sime video for us as its built out
1858308357148750905345mrcity2019-09-01T18:52:26.8720000-05:00Say, does VCC want an Apple AEK2 ADB keyboard for use with, say, the Performa?
1859388213344236077056doug.emes2019-09-01T19:23:34.7540000-05:00Hi steve_o
1860308357148750905345mrcity2019-09-01T20:19:03.7990000-05:00Howdy Doug 👋
1861547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-01T22:00:23.2820000-05:00new workstation is assembled, just reluctant to go through the whole OS loading / driver install shebang
1862547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-05T09:46:24.3630000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/619181545831268352/unknown.png?ex=67b93a80&is=67b7e900&hm=ad6c3393fcfe42204a28b93b933848bb3a0cff8c9c8a3407b0cc76c92c6d6f0d&😄 (2)
1863262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-05T11:46:14.6070000-05:00What happens to the cloud when it rains? Or what is a thunderstorm?
1864547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-05T11:58:33.8220000-05:00temperature and humidity is carefully controlled in the data center
1865262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-05T13:13:46.8050000-05:00Ahh yes .. so accidental thunderstorms do not occur .. makes sense
1866547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-05T13:22:19.9620000-05:00air pressure tends to be fairly constant as well - almost the ideal place to house a cloud
1867227790908035170305adam13342019-09-05T14:35:34.4350000-05:00Depends on the datacenter... There was one that I got to tour that the 'cold' side aisle was vented from large roll up doors, even in the summer when it was raining outside. It must have been 95 degrees and about 80% humidity when I got my tour. 5500 machines crunching away on cryptocurrency make for an interesting value prop/
1868547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-05T14:40:25.7490000-05:00you're committing the error of letting the facts get in the way of a good story
1869316809616828923904hon1nbo2019-09-05T19:20:24.0030000-05:00y'all completely ignoring the actual cloud in a datacenter that facebook inadvertently created: https://gizmodo.com/facebooks-data-center-humidity-challenge-was-indoor-512173504
1870316809616828923904hon1nbo2019-09-05T19:20:33.1320000-05:00it was raining in the datacenter😅 (2)
1871547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-06T07:27:36.5190000-05:00joke would be better if that DC were on the coast where the annual rainfall totals are in the 60-72" range
1872547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-06T12:19:56.7750000-05:00ah the challenges of the 4-dimensional USB-A connector ... http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/usb.gif🤣 (1)
1873262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-06T12:58:28.0840000-05:00Yes LOL
1874207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-06T13:02:15.2680000-05:00meh, not a fan of the type c but at least they're trying to make these issues less of a thing
1875547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-06T13:08:38.5990000-05:00I've had fewer issues with type C than A and all the variants of B
1876547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-06T13:11:16.3300000-05:00I do however wish USB-PD would become **A Thing™** a great deal faster
1877547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-06T13:12:25.2940000-05:00especially if Leviton et al could figure out how to bake 100W USB-PD into the footprint of a standard duplex outlet
1878547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-06T13:14:10.4020000-05:00to the extent I've had issues with type C they've been the same as micro B - pocket lint accumulates in them on a ~quarterly basis and requires a specialized tool (such as a SIM eject tool) to remove
1879547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-14T17:17:55.9590000-05:00windows needs a "maximize to *1080*" function in addition to the usual close/minimize/maximize-restore functions
1880207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-14T17:19:12.4640000-05:00bblean is still a thing
1881547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-16T13:49:27.4440000-05:00uses for MSFT Edge: • downloading other browsers when you first install the OS • running multiple instances of GMail • "what *does* that look like when the user isn't logged in?"
1882547106163842613259nullinterface2019-09-16T13:50:09.7520000-05:00of course it will soon just be heavily-skinned Chrome so that will soon be that
1883262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:24:46.0630000-05:00I need a short description of the Hackerspace for the talk category
1884207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T15:27:26.1140000-05:00Though we decided to rename the categories we already have
1885262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:31:50.2070000-05:00We are ..... but I don't think we ever discussed the description, we skipped over it ... The current VCC description is ``` The VCC Category is for discussion of governance of the VCC Committee, Case Modding, Data Engineering, Computer Science & Engineering, PC Computers, Computer Projects, Civic Hacking, and Information Security. ```
1886262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:32:09.5140000-05:00I think we can do better
1887207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T15:33:16.5650000-05:00Gets to the point and informative but what would the community suggest?
1888262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:34:38.5000000-05:00The brief description we came up with was "In the Hackerspace you learn how to create software and hack hardware." Perhaps we should expand on that
1889262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:37:54.5690000-05:00I also found this interesting but this might apply to the whole space rather than our committee. ``` Hackerspaces are widely defined on hackerspaces.org as “community-operated physical places, where people can meet and work on their projects”. The exact functioning of the space varies from place to place and is determined by its members and while there is no blueprint or set of guidelines to create a hackerspace, they generally follow a “hacker ethic”, which “include freedom, in the sense of autonomy as well as of free access and circulation of information; distrust of authority, that is, opposing the traditional, industrial top-down style of organization; embracing the concept of learning by doing and peer-to-peer learning processes as opposed to formal modes of learning; sharing, solidarity and cooperation” (Kostakis, Niaros, & Giotitsas, 2014). ``` From https://www.academia.edu/7241516/Empowering_the_hacker_in_us_a_comparison_of_fab_lab_and_hackerspace_ecosystems
1890207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T15:42:37.5330000-05:00ok are we trying to break away into a new hackerspace or something? we're a committee of dms and should keep that in mind
1891262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:43:36.5770000-05:00No .. but I'm trying to define hacking for people and I ran across that interesting little blurb
1892262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:44:01.3150000-05:00I think the following is much closer to what we are doing ... "In the Hackerspace you learn how to create software and hack hardware."
1893262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:44:57.7440000-05:00Do you know of a good definition of hacking?
1894207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T15:47:44.1720000-05:00http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html
1895207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T15:48:44.8280000-05:00The hacker mind-set is not confined to this software-hacker culture. There are people who apply the hacker attitude to other things, like electronics or music — actually, you can find it at the highest levels of any science or art.
1896262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:48:54.0650000-05:00Awesome ``` Hacker: A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. ```
1897262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:49:00.4910000-05:00Yes
1898262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:49:02.1330000-05:00That is true
1899262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:49:13.5350000-05:00hmm
1900262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:49:54.4620000-05:00``` Hacker: A person who enjoys exploring the details of things and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most people, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. ```
1901207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T15:54:43.3590000-05:00So taking those onto account hacking can be taking valves of water and building a turing machine with it then working out a lambda engine with colors or particles to build a steam punk compiler
1902207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T15:55:39.7000000-05:00Or making a toaster into a sexy robot that wants to kill all humans
1903207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T15:56:30.8490000-05:00But only if it doesn't violates the first 3 laws of robots😂 (1)
1904207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T15:56:44.8790000-05:00😀
1905262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:56:45.2270000-05:00Or just annoy you by offering toasted bread products so incessantly that you want to kill yourself.
1906207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T15:57:32.8320000-05:00Hey it could just get butter for the toast
1907262734618447446016draco_the_drake2019-09-20T15:57:56.0710000-05:00:) Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec
1908207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T15:58:01.3440000-05:00https://www.etsy.com/listing/677699607/wyze-cam-butter-robot-free-shipping-now?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_d-electronics_and_accessories-gadgets&utm_custom1=_kenshoo_clickid_&utm_content=go_304502195_22746047795_78727279115_aud-736801674656:pla-106553253155_m__677699607&gclid=CjwKCAjw8ZHsBRA6EiwA7hw_sSeyCo7ZDnWh3ROz_16_tNsxr8H1afiMdkfRUTKqGsZsVHbgYgTZxRoCeJEQAvD_BwE
1909207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T15:59:14.6560000-05:00There's some hacking, getting that wyze camera stand to actually get butter
1910207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T17:18:05.4740000-05:00We're in!!https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/624731033446776842/20190920_171244.jpg?ex=67b9a45d&is=67b852dd&hm=3d826dae49eba4f470cb0c7820f8e5c0bb0de6f917455893ea89d94336bc909b&
1911207961619538378762denzuko2019-09-20T17:25:30.2530000-05:00We're in!!https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/624732898473541686/20190920_171244.jpg?ex=67b9a619&is=67b85499&hm=a9108b884c2430b14d92f93942efa9dd4b2fbfc7a8a2bccc512e9e250a562767&
1912432401820569042944kevpat2019-09-20T23:44:57.8580000-05:00@pearce Can you rename this channel to HackerSpace
1913400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-01T06:47:36.0440000-05:00Here's the Trello board for the Hackathon: let me know your Trello username if you want to be added. https://trello.com/b/Zk6VtITe/dms-hackerspace-hackathon
1914400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-01T07:02:07.6710000-05:00Let's talk about the constraints and the judging criteria for the Hackathon. Here's what I'm thinking: The kit comes with: 1 x Grove pi+ 1 x Grove - Temperature and Humidity 1 x Grove - Relay 1 x Grove - Ultrasonic Ranger (distance sensor good for a couple feet) 1 x Grove - LCD RGB backlight display 1 x Grove - Buzzer 1 x GrovePi+ Guidebook 10 x Cables 1 x Grove - Sound sensor (not sure if mic or just sound level) 1 x Grove - Light sensor 1 x Grove - Button 1 x Grove - Rotary Angle Sensor (it's just a potentiometer) 1 x Grove - Red LED 1 x Grove - Blue LED 1 x Grove - Green LED So the sensors included are sound, light, temperature + humidity, distance. I'm thinking we simply say that you have to use at least one of those four sensors. And you can add whatever you want. Then we can use basically the same criteria as the Brother hackathon: originality, usefulness/market value, and completeness. They also had one about design aethetics that I want to exclude. I don't think people winning by having more money will be an issue, since money can't get you a more original, useful, or complete idea. What I'm pretty set on is that we're going to give contestants a lot of time, at least a month of advance notice and have them produce a 3 minute video and then just have one or two days (depending on funding) to go through the videos and have some judges rank them. I think it might be good to have some categories for prizes, like maybe we have a prize and award for the best project that uses the temperature and humidity, or a prize for a project that uses all four sensors, something like that.
1915564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T11:47:03.9390000-05:00Have we even remotely picked a theme?
1916564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T11:47:52.2940000-05:00maybe something eco or civic or solves an issue that the makerspace has run into (not fixing things at the space just as a model for a theme)?
1917564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T11:48:57.0910000-05:00maybe even something robotic?
1918400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-03T11:56:36.7740000-05:00To be clear, we don't have to pick a theme. We have to pick constraints and judging criteria.
1919564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T12:06:26.6680000-05:00picking a theme is part of constraints and helps sets expectations with participants
1920564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T12:06:47.4030000-05:00plus it focuses the marketing and promotional work.
1921564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T12:07:02.0710000-05:00again; constraints
1922564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T12:10:21.1510000-05:00https://static.mlh.io/docs/mlh-member-event-guidelines.pdf
1923564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T13:50:41.2460000-05:00demoscene as a website.. who knew
1924564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T13:50:42.1250000-05:00http://acko.net/
1925400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-03T14:08:10.4950000-05:00Being a member event for MLH is a bad idea. We will not guarantee that 150 people will show up. We will not guarantee that the event is free.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/629394272184958976/Screenshot_20191003-140640.jpg?ex=67b977d8&is=67b82658&hm=d7c40be38af06d26d366f68f4db3bf767e523f12189f8292ae8a5dab469471ed&
1926400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-03T14:10:21.6580000-05:00If I understand what you mean by theme, then picking a theme is not required. It doesn't help set expectations with the participants compared to the alternative.
1927564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T16:15:24.3720000-05:00Wasn't saying to join NHL even if we already are partnered with them
1928564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T16:15:43.8120000-05:00They have some decent base guidelines to work off from
1929564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T16:16:41.8910000-05:00as for the theme, without one what are we going to tell the participates. Here's the hardware kit, now go wild?
1930564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T16:17:10.7320000-05:00expect to see a lot of blinky lights and dump founded faces
1931564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T16:17:46.7870000-05:00its the same as saying to someone here's a pen and paper now create a master peice
1932564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-03T16:22:27.9700000-05:00given that most that attend a hack-a-thon are; a) just starting their careers, b) just wanting to build a POC that's a value add to their next interview, and/or c) are trying to learn the technology all of which are at some level without the upfront cost / risk of investing their own money. giving them something more than the pen and paper response would go along way to ensuring our continued success with these sorts of things instead of everyone walking away with a negative impression of dms and our committee.
1933400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-04T09:03:12.0840000-05:00We're basically going to do what Brother did, except their constraints were that you had to use their printer and it had to be an app. I'm thinking our constraints are going to be that you have to use the Raspberry Pi and at least one of the four sensors in the kit and we'll have pretty much the same judging criteria as Brother, minus the part about the GUI.
1934207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-04T09:33:55.3100000-05:00And those judging criteria would be?
1935400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-04T09:37:33.5050000-05:00So I guess I remembered their criteria wrong. Their criteria were originality, market impact, polish, and presentation. I'm thinking ours will be originality, market impact, and completeness.
1936207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-04T09:57:57.9990000-05:00How would one gauge each one?
1937400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-04T10:07:43.4920000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/629696158989680661/BrotherHackathonRules.pdf?ex=67b93f7f&is=67b7edff&hm=4e5b9a01211d9d5f4902d3974c10ec124be11c944f99927274436fd421c65990&
1938400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-04T10:08:30.4790000-05:00Same as Brother. We would provide a rubdmric with descriptions for each score in each of the three judging criteria.
1939564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-04T14:20:10.6080000-05:00Doubt we could copy brother's hackathon. Since DMS is not in the business of giving away $4000 to just anyone
1940564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-04T14:21:08.0720000-05:00Plus they where also looking for a viable product to buy and rebrand as thier own.
1941564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-04T14:21:17.0200000-05:00What's our end go here with this hack-a-thon?
1942564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-04T14:55:33.7300000-05:00can we please stick to one convention with the trello board thank you.
1943564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-04T15:46:00.9180000-05:00Do we have to turn the trello board into a debate on standards as well?
1944564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-04T15:46:51.9990000-05:00Because if we do then nothing is going to get achieved. Not everything needs to be changed to fit one's own way
1945400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-04T16:30:41.9200000-05:00Do we have to turn the trello board into a debate on standards as well? No
1946400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-04T16:33:06.2090000-05:00What's our end go here with this hack-a-thon? To serve computer geeks and drive engagement in the Hackerspace.😀 (1)
1947564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-04T16:47:22.3300000-05:00cool, ok sent you a calendar invite so we can grab some face time and just jot down as much of the requirements we can discover at that time
1948564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-04T16:48:09.1830000-05:00the end goal is to fill up the backlog with relevant items we can churn through to help us produce this hack-a-thon
1949400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-04T16:59:08.9340000-05:00I'm happy to discuss plans for the hackathon. I'll be at the space tomorrow from about noon to about 6.
1950564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-04T16:59:40.4130000-05:00Smashing. I got things in the morning so we'll meet up on hangouts
1951400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-04T17:01:11.2380000-05:00Sounds good. Text me when you want to start the hangouts call.
1952207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-05T15:32:47.5670000-05:00are we still on for the 4pm hangouts?
1953400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-05T15:42:58.7250000-05:00You can text me when you want to start. I'll probably be available until 6.
1954400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-06T20:20:23.5380000-05:00Who do I talk to to replace VCC with Hackerspace on Talk as a category and add Hackerspace to the calendar as a category?
1955207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-06T21:19:22.6930000-05:00already working on it👍 (1)
1956400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-08T18:30:18.0340000-05:00@Kevin needs help if anyone knows React.js. just needs to get a mock-up.
1957400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-10T10:36:03.8230000-05:00Brad and I are going to do a walk-through of the items we're going to sell on Saturday at the Garage Sale. The walkthrough will take place 3:00pm - 3:30pm in the Purple Classroom. The Garage Sale is 4pm - 7pm.
1958400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-10T10:37:11.4280000-05:00@denzuko-at-work will you be coming to the garage sale? I want to price the items effectively and I think you can help with that.
1959400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-12T07:46:14.5880000-05:00So apparently, according to the rules, we have to hold another election so that we can present a nomination to the board at the November board of directors meeting. I've already put our October committee meeting on the calendar, but that's sooner that two weeks, so I'm going to create another meeting at least two weeks from today for another election. I'll announce it ok talk and here once it's up.
1960400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-12T07:48:39.4260000-05:00Also, here's the October meeting in case you missed the post on Talk: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/14163
1961400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-12T07:55:00.9650000-05:00Also, hackerspace@dallasmakerspace.org has been created, so any tasks that rely on that can be started. Sorry for the late notice.
1962400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-12T08:32:53.5030000-05:00We have to have another election because we need to present a nomination at the November Board of Directors meeting.
1963400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-12T08:33:10.7560000-05:00So I created the calendar and wiki entries.
1964400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-12T08:33:23.0540000-05:00And announced it on Talk https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/hackerspace-required-election-for-november-board-approval/63571
1965207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-12T22:21:54.7460000-05:00found out well have to gut the payphone and wire up the handset to an old analog phone then we can hook that up to a obi200 for phone service
1966388213344236077056doug.emes2019-10-13T00:11:26.2590000-05:00I'll donate a Cisco spa112
1967207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-13T00:12:04.1820000-05:00Appreciated 👍
1968388213344236077056doug.emes2019-10-13T00:12:36.2410000-05:00I'll bring it next time I come up (might be Sunday) otherwise for sure on Tuesday
1969207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-13T00:13:28.7490000-05:00Cool. Do you need a receipt for the donation?
1970388213344236077056doug.emes2019-10-13T00:14:02.4180000-05:00Nope
1971388213344236077056doug.emes2019-10-13T00:14:56.1020000-05:00Off topic only slightly but do you have the free pbx credentials right now
1972207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-13T00:15:58.5870000-05:00jolly good then. And no, not the one from infrastructure but that should be on the admin wiki
1973388213344236077056doug.emes2019-10-13T00:16:24.8510000-05:00K
1974400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-13T11:47:54.3240000-05:00I have to miss the meeting on Wednesday. I got invited to an event by Amazon that could lead to a job. The next meeting after Wednesday will be the 30th. Should I schedule another meeting, maybe Tuesday the 22nd?
1975400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-13T11:49:32.4880000-05:00Here are the transaction IDs from yesterday:
1976400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-13T11:50:01.3470000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/632983378328682525/Screenshot_20191012-180807.jpg?ex=67b95775&is=67b805f5&hm=4a71ace474ddf73349bbe99f7465293860fa9a0fc888cba2423cb184e87a17ee&,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/632983378337071143/IMG_20191012_174614.jpg?ex=67b95775&is=67b805f5&hm=36db75d093e80d17476c4358374f5e7b9e8af3dc09131a67a2c4d5f6b19ea0c7&,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/632983379565871134/IMG_20191012_173319.jpg?ex=67b95775&is=67b805f5&hm=66d6b14128129bb280559e0af95da4a21a17a6297927869e8c2938de6b69e966&
1977400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-13T20:01:28.4700000-05:00The shelf fell down as I was working on it.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/633107067015528459/JPEG_20191013_200106.jpg?ex=67b9caa7&is=67b87927&hm=e42ed312dd43a3394f5fe7484fb6c88fa7531fff1a2bbe526736840574e4a18c&
1978400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-13T20:02:03.6510000-05:00Which caused this to happen.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/633107214151712798/JPEG_20191013_200151.jpg?ex=67b9caca&is=67b8794a&hm=f13e80a59d4389529a16213890a608f0c9340683960cc9d7c9674c7f55a5a376&
1979207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-13T21:20:37.8190000-05:00Crap..
1980488485682184978442yashsedai2019-10-13T21:28:33.5360000-05:00Mount to studs in future!👍 (1)
1981547106163842613259nullinterface2019-10-14T12:01:17.3500000-05:00metal studs - which are surely used in those partition walls - aren't known for their holding power👍 (1)
1982400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-14T12:03:20.8580000-05:00I think I may have accidentally bumped it upward. Well figure out a long-term solution suitable for use, but for now, it's back up.
1983400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-14T12:04:04.4780000-05:00Also, I moved things around to create more space for activities.
1984400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-14T12:05:05.8150000-05:00I'm not quite finished, but it's getting there. Put in a lot of work last night to improve it.
1985400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-14T14:12:13.3730000-05:00Just so you guys know, I threw away the picture and frame that were scratched, mismatched, and not being displayed. I also threw away the broken magic 8 ball and the "earthquake detector" joke thing that was missing an eye.
1986400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-14T14:14:37.5040000-05:00The committee area needs to be usable, not just viewable. Before yesterday, it wasn't either. Like I said, it still needs some work. But my guiding principle is that everything needs to provide value to computer geeks. I personally don't think we have room for a museum. We can talk about that on the 30th (like I said, I can't make it to the meeting this Wednesday)
1987400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-14T14:20:03.6450000-05:00It is the Dallas Makerspace after all not the Dallas Nostalgia space. I get that in theory people like looking at this stuff, but the only time I've seen someone actually stop by the committee area and appreciate it was Saturday, when a guy and girl were playing with the blue plastic Mac. I don't know what they were actually able to do or learn with it, but that was the only time I've seen that happen. Also @Denzuko.sdf.org @denzuko-at-work, how do the two Android tablets provide value to computer geeks?
1988207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-14T15:09:17.7760000-05:00we'll talk in person on that
1989400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-14T15:11:24.6580000-05:00Fair enough. I'll be at the space today. I'm teaching a class from 6 to 9, but we can talk about what the Android tablets do and how that provides value to computer geeks before or after.
1990400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-14T17:28:57.0320000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org @denzuko-at-work please remove this from the committee areahttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/633431068858384394/JPEG_20191014_172836.jpg?ex=67b9a6e7&is=67b85567&hm=40e8d3cccf830af298a788390a6bf54227b7c6acccba0ced83c2680ec9968473&
1991400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-14T17:36:42.0330000-05:00Does anyone know what happened to the IBM Wheelwriter? It looks like this:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/633433021579657248/51eHkUZe5EL._AC_SY400_.jpg?ex=67b9a8b8&is=67b85738&hm=b17de26f4531297995a2e6c879c8507dc7a00b1cd1c34f2e7abc84ce9d5ea5e9&
1992207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-14T19:20:52.3790000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/633459241306554388/JPEG_20191014_192048.jpg?ex=67b9c124&is=67b86fa4&hm=98537b2d5b9ad4cd6114ae2b5e76b0b44e79d4dbbfeb7b511ec2c011eb86b34d&
1993207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-14T19:33:10.1340000-05:00Didn't see the c128, was that stored away too?
1994325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:47:39.3640000-05:00I love the museum 😢😢😢
1995400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-16T16:48:08.9390000-05:00@MizGeek When's the last time you visited it?
1996325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:48:26.9560000-05:00Sunday briefly
1997325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:49:28.1990000-05:00I try to stop and see what’s up. It’s like an altar to the evolution of computers.
1998400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-16T16:49:53.3320000-05:00Did you exit out of the south lobby shortly after visiting? Had you just entered through the south lobby before your brief visit?
1999325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:50:10.2250000-05:00Yes...
2000325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:50:26.8850000-05:00I walked through several times on Sunday
2001325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:51:14.2430000-05:00Every time I walk through... they remind me my time isn’t wasted on computers
2002325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:51:30.7740000-05:00Short prayer to the computer gods...
2003325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:52:13.1310000-05:00I first touched a computer about 71
2004400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-16T16:52:31.4500000-05:00I'm all for decoration, we need geeky stuff, but it shouldn't be the main reason people stop by. Imagine if the main reason people went to the pottery committee area was to appreciate beautiful pieces of pottery. That's juat doesn't fit the mission of the Makerspace or our committee. It's secondary: it's only useful insofar as it serves another goal.
2005325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:53:19.7480000-05:00It reminds us of the past as decoration and cheers us on to the future
2006325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:53:45.3070000-05:00The teal Mac is a beacon
2007400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-16T16:53:46.9180000-05:00We can accomplish that goal while using less space.
2008325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:54:03.7050000-05:00Maybe some kind of compromise.
2009325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:54:30.9000000-05:00What do you need space for that you can’t fit in now?
2010400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-16T16:54:42.0230000-05:00Also, it's not a museum. The name has to go at the very least.
2011325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:55:12.4790000-05:00That’s a compromise. They are dear decoration.
2012400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-16T16:55:36.1230000-05:00We have to do what's most effective for our mission.
2013325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:56:06.2640000-05:00Making a space for geeks includes some decoration
2014400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-16T16:56:11.9810000-05:00We need space for making stuff. Like a makerspace.
2015325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:56:29.4970000-05:00Sterility drives people away
2016400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-16T16:56:35.1650000-05:00Wat can you current make in the committee area?
2017325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:56:45.2470000-05:00Programs!!
2018325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:56:49.8910000-05:00Apps!
2019400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-16T16:57:36.8690000-05:00"I'm all for decoration, we need geeky stuff" -me, about five minutes ago.
2020325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T16:57:59.9300000-05:00It puts you in the mood to make
2021400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-16T16:59:15.0080000-05:00Maybe it has put you in the mood to make, but when's the last time you made something (or worked on making something) in our committee area? What equipment did you use?
2022325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T17:01:23.1260000-05:00I haven’t had time, but I look forward to learning apps. Then i just need a chair and inspiration. New grandson has sucked up my time this year... CA ruled for those projects.
2023325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T17:01:54.4270000-05:00Learning to make apps that is.
2024564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-16T18:16:08.9660000-05:00@DJ Vance Mizgeek is one of our sysops and committee supporters. She like bill and the other committee members/supports buzz our committee area from time to time to enjoy the hardware and use the tools we offer.
2025564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-16T18:18:59.9340000-05:00Software cannot exist without hardware, and non of the hardware in the committee area is meant as "decoration" its either going to be functional, made to be functional or get some use. Hence why that IBM typewriter was removed. A member donated it for us to "do something with" we didn't sell it doing the swap meet so it left the inventory. Those Mac's and Commodore machines are highly enjoyed to write retro games on or even use the hardware for different projects. Bill's own 6502 Python interperter was written on both his own emulator and the machines we provided.
2026325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T18:20:21.5440000-05:00Use whichever argument let’s the hardware stay. 😃😃 (1)
2027564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-16T18:21:58.2620000-05:00What makes us different than starbucks or some co-work space is we offer tools and equipment that people enjoy using and keep coming back to use. if all we offered was things to program then there's no reason for anyone to come to the space and become a long term member. They can go grab a wifi hotspot at any other place for cheeper and even watch master classes at thier own time.
2028564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-16T18:23:21.3090000-05:00Want numbers to back this up? I've had 10 people in the office asking when we're doing the next meetup. We got at lease another six at the Retro meetup wanting to join or support our committee and one expressly because we did hardware too not just softwaree
2029564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-16T18:23:44.6130000-05:00Hardware is what brings all the kiddies to the yard and hardware stays.
2030325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T18:24:30.2170000-05:00What he said. ^^^^
2031564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-16T18:27:12.4420000-05:00Besides, one should not snub their nose at the retro tech when they them selves even purchased an 1989's Mac from our own swap meet.
2032207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-16T19:57:22.9250000-05:00@Patrick up for joining us?
2033207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-16T20:21:17.2860000-05:00@DJ Vance found the keyboard and mouse for that mac you bought at the swap meethttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/634199221158805554/JPEG_20191016_202022.jpg?ex=67b9268d&is=67b7d50d&hm=3d510fed9ac863548ca3039fcc85409c7f8d01dcfaf9fc8e6fba72d37da9fd14&
2034207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-16T20:21:52.5960000-05:00I'll stow it away in racky mcrackface
2035325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T20:28:32.9380000-05:00👏🏼
2036207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-16T21:03:29.4130000-05:00https://photos.app.goo.gl/GHoVMoyEtTguQsRJA👍 (2)
2037400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-16T21:12:39.1590000-05:00@Denzuko.sdf.org Sweet!
2038400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-16T21:16:24.4680000-05:00Love the video and the whiteboard!
2039207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-16T21:18:55.2480000-05:00been taking a master class on live streaming for the patreon and. YouTube streams
2040207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-16T21:19:42.3500000-05:00Think I got some work too go but glad you liked it
2041325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T21:20:55.9620000-05:00Excellent!
2042207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-16T21:24:56.4070000-05:00Meh.. sound like a stuffy old crow :( guess we can get a voice actor to help out
2043325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T21:26:28.0120000-05:00Last time I voiced a video, I was told it sounded like porn. They kept my voice. 😆
2044207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-16T21:27:43.8170000-05:00lol.. i'd guess one could take that as a compliment :)
2045325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-16T21:28:29.3650000-05:00I get that a lot. My dad used to say that I gave good phone. 😮
2046207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-16T21:30:14.1460000-05:00: facepalm :
2047207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-16T21:30:25.5220000-05:00Lol...
2048400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-16T21:45:48.3330000-05:00I think our committee area needs to serve a wider audience than it's currently serving. I think it should be a place where your curiosity can be sparked. Where you can easily get started developing a project with Arduino, Raspberry Pi, or vintage hardware. We should make it as easy as possible for people to come and play in an environment that's ready to go. I also want a lot of knowledge transfer to happen in our committees area. I'm personally willing to go there after work frequently and offer help in areas of software and hardware I'm familiar with. Engaging curious minds. Minds curious about how to write excellent software of all kinds, how to find vulnerabilities in computer system, how to assemble a computer, how to go from idea to release and beyond. Things like that. I think it would be wise to invest in more tabletop/desktop space and set up some Arduino and Raspberry Pi projects that are waiting to be built.
2049545650746838745089lavarocks.2019-10-18T15:23:34.2230000-05:00How much tabletop space would you have in your area to do this?
2050400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T15:24:35.2630000-05:00One sec, let me take some measurements. I also want to work with Education to see if we can share the 3d Fab space
2051400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T15:38:36.4050000-05:00The area not taken up by the server rack is 7' x 7' 8"
2052400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T16:47:05.6070000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/634870092835979275/IMG_20191018_164615.jpg?ex=67b99d19&is=67b84b99&hm=1c438feb8b28ed1d8d8ede96895cb090d3f5ec3fe3701b6c2a8d7181431c948e&
2053400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T16:47:18.4950000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/634870146548367390/IMG_20191018_164622.jpg?ex=67b99d26&is=67b84ba6&hm=67fb513927ccae689934d327484bee3500af8f22808d4441adf35cd76f95b0f8&
2054400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T16:47:24.9540000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/634870173978853376/IMG_20191018_164546.jpg?ex=67b99d2c&is=67b84bac&hm=59c1a30742ee74bf8bfe70e52dd79dff75effa3edb79e062317dc05deb1e7541&
2055564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-18T17:36:24.0490000-05:00@DJ Vance, last I heard from Education that 3d fab space is one of their classrooms which would be dedicated as a computer lab. So yes this committee just like any other committee would be able to "share" it just like any other classroom.
2056564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-18T17:55:11.2870000-05:00hey all, been racking my brain on this all week and can't seem to get the search model to return a results. mind checking it out?
2057564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-18T17:55:20.0410000-05:00https://jsfiddle.net/spencercooper/u3vbzgwn/58/
2058564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-18T17:56:27.0100000-05:00the end concept is to programmatically iterate each property in data.services[] and compare to data.search (which is filled in by a text field in the app) if it finds a result in any of the properties then it should return the filtered array with just those objects. ie, type in uat and get example-uat.1 and ...-uat.2; type in ace and get the ace record. type in running and get all with the status === running. basically; omni search
2059564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-18T17:56:39.5070000-05:00thoughs?
2060400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T18:09:21.3080000-05:00You've piqued my curiosity
2061400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T18:09:54.2220000-05:00Let me get the requirement correct:
2062400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T18:10:23.8200000-05:00basically, you want a function whose signature looks something like this:
2063400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T18:12:38.2040000-05:00wait a sec my javascript is rusty
2064400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T18:14:05.8870000-05:00function objectsWithMatchingProperties(objects, keyword)
2065400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T18:14:30.2100000-05:00and it should return all the objects that have at least one property whose name contains keyword
2066400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T18:14:32.2050000-05:00correct?
2067400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T18:15:36.8160000-05:00I know how to do this in Swift. It'll take a little bit to do it in JS
2068564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-18T18:26:52.0430000-05:00yeah basically. filters an array of objects, base on the key's value for all keys but dynamically
2069400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T19:13:28.9000000-05:00jesus christ javascript is stupid.
2070400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T19:13:34.9160000-05:00for of? really
2071400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T19:13:50.0830000-05:00anyway, here's working code if I understood the requirement correctly:
2072400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-18T19:15:11.1100000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/634907361500200972/filter.js?ex=67b9bfce&is=67b86e4e&hm=2eb533e16cb34b289750f1c843511f5db548fc1b3b79242413b17f372add3f88&
2073207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-19T10:03:36.6410000-05:00blimmy.. if else truth test on a truthy method.
2074207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-19T10:04:57.3020000-05:00But at least the refactor of your code got me pondering what Array.every was doing. Turns out one needed to ise Array.some
2075207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-19T10:13:22.3930000-05:00const filter = (items, search) => items.filter(item => Object.keys(items[0]).some((key) => item[key].includes(search)));
2076400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-19T11:40:02.0510000-05:00Like I said, my JavaScript is rusty. I wasn't aware of truthiness/falsiness. Truthy/falsy values make sense. I don't know how I feel about truthy/falsy methods. Seems like a drawback for readability imo.
2077400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-19T11:42:17.1250000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/635155773416013829/if-javascript-was-a-car-hmmm-610792472.png?ex=67b955a9&is=67b80429&hm=153f7ea95fe08fabec0371ea62fbc6631c3acd15f355e2143f4c4c245f862d07&
2078400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-19T11:57:37.7050000-05:00I think what you meant to do here is: const filter = (items, search) => items.filter(item => Object.keys(item).some((key) => item[key].includes(search)));
2079400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-19T12:09:09.7330000-05:00You might want to improve your code's inefficiency. This is more efficient: const filter = (items, search) => items.filter(item => Object.keys(item).find((key) => item[key].includes(search))); Array.some will find all occurrences that match the criteria. Array.find will find only the first, which is all you need. You want all items that have *at least one* property that contains search.
2080545650746838745089lavarocks.2019-10-19T14:06:26.5970000-05:003d fab space will be a classroom
2081207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-19T22:24:08.1610000-05:00https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/heres-how-you-can-make-better-use-of-javascript-arrays-3efd6395af3c/
2082207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-19T22:25:10.9560000-05:00Found the article on fiiter, some, vs fimd
2083400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-20T00:01:52.9050000-05:00@Lavarocks I'm in talks with Education to make an agenda item to put education in the pillar room and put the proposed computer lab in the current 3d Fab space (orange classroom). The proposal will most likely be to have the 3d Fab space have all the normal equipment you'd expect in a computer lab + some special stuff for the Hackerspace committee. I'm thinking Arduinos and Raspberry Pis with accessories and instructions on how to complete a starter project. And I would make myself available for people who want guidance to complete those projects.
2084400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-20T00:02:17.3110000-05:00@doug.emes J want to get you in this discussion. Maybe we should move it to Talk?
2085388213344236077056doug.emes2019-10-20T00:07:09.0430000-05:00I think talk is a good idea as in engaged the membership. The primary issue is unless we Hve a donor set up for dozens of identical machines, I think the pillar would be better to be an open format classroom until the other expansion construction are done where the added hallway is then neccessary
2086207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-20T16:13:37.2790000-05:00I did reach out about two years ago with one of my old surpliers for a quote to get new machines for infrastructure. Fairly sure they will be glad to give us a goos deal
2087400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-20T16:59:20.5480000-05:00Let me know if you own something in the Hackerspace area so we can make arrangements for what to do with it. https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/do-you-own-something-thats-in-the-hackerspace-area/63972
2088400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-20T17:07:23.5950000-05:00https://trello.com/b/Zk6VtITe/dms-hackathon
2089388213344236077056doug.emes2019-10-27T21:19:30.6270000-05:00https://www.retrorgb.com/atari-7800-schematics-found-in-dumpster-treasure-trove.html
2090207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-28T07:38:36.7590000-05:00Wow! Thats amazing
2091564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-10-28T12:32:45.1990000-05:00though this might be something more vector's kind of area. But, we could build one. slap a ftdi or custom vga as the output, sdcard reader as an input instead of cartridges then maybe challenge people to build homebrew and demoscene for it. What do you think?
2092400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-10-30T13:32:04.1800000-05:00Check out this vintage computer my Uncle had laying around when I stayed with him in Washington Statehttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/639169668548132875/IMG_20180322_152026_178.jpg?ex=67b96f64&is=67b81de4&hm=7b003dcbd12a57ee2db7ed4d4d62a17a73657b950bc92bad79d0475d5c60398f&
2093325498566762299393mizgeek2019-10-30T18:19:43.7130000-05:00On my way. Traffic sucks
2094207961619538378762denzuko2019-10-30T18:24:40.9080000-05:00got a link to google meeting?
2095207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-04T08:28:47.6630000-06:00@Deleted User arduino is the picture book of the programming world. Anyone can do it. What are you looking to do with it?
2096456226577798135808Deleted User2019-11-04T08:47:19.2080000-06:00@Denzuko.sdf.org I have an Arduino Uni with a Seeed relay shield. I have them stacked, and just need to turn all 4 relays on for 10 minutes, twice a day. No lcd, or any way to adjust other than code and upload.
2097456226577798135808Deleted User2019-11-04T08:47:39.7460000-06:00But I don't understand C++ too terribly well.
2098207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-04T08:59:08.4090000-06:00it's not c++. Its processing.org. So two questions, 1) hows your JavaScript? 2) which pins are your relays on? Also are the active high or active low?
2099207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-04T09:09:08.7410000-06:00I ask because your sketch sounds like its going to be 12 lines of simple code. All of which is just to do digitalWrite(...) for each relay (or a shift register then latch that to the relay) then sleep(...)
2100564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-04T09:30:46.0120000-06:00@Deleted User https://gist.github.com/denzuko/8b868422246401198b875a9ca0f9c9d0
2101564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-04T09:34:19.9950000-06:00ok, so 24 lines of code without comments. but that should get you started (its not much different than the usual blinky/hello world sketch example). One should just be able to put in the correct pin numbers and upload (if your relays are active high then follow the instructions in the sketch commets)
2102456226577798135808Deleted User2019-11-04T09:40:21.7200000-06:00@denzuko-at-work so, how would I set in that code for it to turn on for 4 minutes at say, 10am and then 5pm?
2103564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-04T09:40:41.2320000-06:00refresh it
2104564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-04T09:41:01.1250000-06:00PAUSEOFF
2105564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-04T09:41:23.3740000-06:00that's the time delay between triggers.
2106564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-04T09:43:48.6960000-06:00so 17:00 - 10:00 is 7 hours. one would need to plugin this device in @ 10am and let it run. 12 hours later it would trigger again and pause for another 12 hours but if one just turns it off after the second run and turns it back on at 10am then your going to have the effect your trying
2107564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-04T09:44:52.2650000-06:00arduino, unless one adds a Real time clock, doesn't know or understand time.
2108564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-04T09:46:16.2940000-06:00but if one removes line 50 and uses one of these https://www.amazon.com/Century-Digital-Programmable-Packaging-Security/dp/B00MVF16JG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=27OU1XOJAH34L&keywords=timer+plug&qid=1572882315&sprefix=poe+spliter%2Caps%2C159&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzQ1VVMFE1NU5SR0tBJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzc0ODM5MVkxOVQ2NUJFVFAxRCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNTQzMTc5MjhOOVdENzNRQ1BZSSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
2109564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-04T09:46:35.0170000-06:00then one gets a more automated version of what's highlighted above
2110564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-04T15:47:36.5570000-06:00@DJ Vance https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/midnight-hacker-ctf-curriculum/64581
2111564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-04T16:02:40.7910000-06:00Just putting this out there to make sure everyone is on the same page. If one is looking for a syllabus; that's not how CTFs are ran. This isn't a class its a hands on training session for people that are expected to know a thing or two about how computers work. Yes the material typically is geared to individuals that are not already in the industry but the subjects do cover real world material. Each run has to be different to prevent someone from gaming the event.
2112456226577798135808Deleted User2019-11-04T19:52:55.3050000-06:00Good lort
2113263153628141977603kentamanos2019-11-05T21:50:51.6220000-06:00@denzuko-at-work IMO, I don't know why you would say "Arduino isn't C++". It literally takes your .ino file, adds a single include file (#include <Arduino.h>) at the beginning, throws on a .cpp at the end and then uses avr-g++ and avr-gcc. You can see this if you go to File/Preferences and Show verbose output during compilation. I feel like they tried to make it seem too simple and hide that it's C++ due to the fear factor.
2114207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-05T23:22:39.2480000-06:00@Kentamanos dude, I've written vim plugins, makefiles, and a cookiecutter template in the past just to provide that yes one can code arduino from cli.
2115207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-05T23:23:40.2530000-06:00Yes its using a compiler but its all bytecode in the end. The ide which most see is processing.org
2116207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-05T23:25:43.0400000-06:00best to be helpful with new guys than scare them off with high tech. And yes I know my devops stuff does that to some too ;)
2117400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-05T23:29:56.3870000-06:00So @Denzuko.sdf.org, you were simply referring to an IDE and Javascript framework from processing.org. An alternative to using .ino files directly. Correct?
2118207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-05T23:30:38.5260000-06:00Basically.
2119207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-05T23:32:18.4280000-06:00Most would use the ide anyways since its got a lot of the libraries and drivers already installed plus has the serial debugger backed in.
2120207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-05T23:33:32.3650000-06:00once one has learned the environment then feel free to go darkside and use c++ and ino files
2121400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-05T23:35:02.3370000-06:00So the "it" in "it's not c++." refers to your suggestion as to what tool SlipKid08 should try. As opposed to Kentamanos' interpretation that "it" referred to Arduino. Correct?
2122488485682184978442yashsedai2019-11-05T23:35:40.5770000-06:00semantics are annoying
2123400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-05T23:35:44.8400000-06:00Amen
2124488485682184978442yashsedai2019-11-05T23:36:01.6550000-06:00especially when its semantics for the sake of distinction of opinion
2125400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-05T23:36:09.4420000-06:00Which is why it's super important to be clear with communication.
2126400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-05T23:36:46.3360000-06:00I'm trying to clear things up because it seems like there was a communication issue.
2127263153628141977603kentamanos2019-11-05T23:40:49.8240000-06:00The language you use to program Arduinos using the IDE which has a processing heritage is C++. That is what I am saying. The original question was a guy wanting to program Arduinos and mentioned he didn't know C++ too well.
2128400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-05T23:42:39.0100000-06:00https://playground.arduino.cc/Interfacing/Processing/
2129207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-05T23:44:01.5430000-06:00ok... sure. Hows Backus–Naur work for everyone? it's not c++ := "arduino's sketch language is a domain specific language in processing.org. calling it c++ confuses new arduino users into thinking one needs a degree or experience programming to understand when arduino is designed for common non programmers to pick up much like JavaScript use to be for html 3."
2130263153628141977603kentamanos2019-11-05T23:44:08.8020000-06:00That's about how to get an Arduino to talk to a procesing environment
2131263153628141977603kentamanos2019-11-05T23:44:41.8330000-06:00Telling them it's not C++ makes them think they can't easily use existing libraries too 🙂
2132263153628141977603kentamanos2019-11-05T23:45:19.2600000-06:00It's literally C++ missing some of the standard library I am sure
2133400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-05T23:46:24.1720000-06:00You guys have fun arguing 😴 https://media.tenor.com/images/ab44e76cac0f64954434fee0a1f10b11/tenor.gif
2134207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-05T23:46:32.6930000-06:00@Kentamanos your not wrong, but still anyone saying, im not good at x is really saying this seems to technical and I like some help
2135207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-05T23:47:25.3490000-06:00@DJ Vance thanks for mediating
2136207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-05T23:48:44.8220000-06:00Sometimes smart people just got to debate :) and the older they are it happens more. How else are we going to earn our bastard operator of the year awards
2137263153628141977603kentamanos2019-11-05T23:56:58.9130000-06:00I've literally heard someone in the electronics room tell someone else that the "Arduino language" is "closer to Java" which makes absolutely ZERO sense to me. I'll admit it's a pet peeve of mine. I'd rather people look at the "Blink" sketch, know it's C++ and then think "that doesn't look so difficult". 🙂
2138207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-05T23:59:50.7160000-06:00True. My JavaScript alagory isn't much better either. I think everyone comes at it from a different point of view which helps sometimes but in the end we all get to the same point.
2139207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-06T00:00:42.4650000-06:00Which reminds me, has anyone been watching the youtube videos on how to build a 6502 computer?
2140207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-06T00:03:46.0550000-06:00Ben eater has been putting out some great stuff lately and I've finally got my answer too how does a computer works at an electronics level
2141564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-06T17:42:54.0370000-06:00ok.. just had to drop this: https://github.com/AdvancedNewbie/rubberDigi
2142564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-06T17:43:06.4430000-06:00have fun... }:D
2143400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-08T19:59:08.5840000-06:00@Denzuko.sdf.org @denzuko-at-work When's the next CTF?
2144207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-09T11:39:36.0310000-06:00on the board for awhile, but forgot about it at our committee meeting
2145207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-09T11:39:55.0090000-06:00Bit.ly/32vISq4
2146207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-09T11:41:41.0080000-06:00Got some presententers coming and there's a live national hackathon event we're streaming into
2147400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-09T11:43:29.6680000-06:00The presenters are coming to DMS for this today?
2148207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-09T11:43:43.8740000-06:00On a personal note, these long oncall shifts are disruptive so hard to reply instantly. Should be off on call in a week unless we loose another team member.
2149207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-09T11:44:01.5110000-06:00yes, jack is scheduled for today
2150400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-09T11:44:08.6540000-06:00Sweet!
2151400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-09T11:45:02.2320000-06:00Is he going to present in the common room?
2152207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-09T11:45:23.7800000-06:00He's got some details from a recent cyber security case that hes wanting to discuss at a high level.
2153207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-09T11:46:05.3890000-06:00Not sure, only place we could get on the calendar but im sure there's a class room open by now
2154400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-09T11:46:34.0530000-06:00How many people have registered?
2155207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-09T11:48:42.1370000-06:00Three official, one non member and there should be some guys frim dallas hacker association, 2600, and infragard there
2156400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-09T11:49:09.7400000-06:00Cool
2157207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-09T11:50:44.3690000-06:00best that everyone has keybase, kali, metamask, and signal setup ahead of time.
2158400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-09T13:01:14.0370000-06:00So we're going to be contributing to the projects listed here, right? https://www.aaronswartzday.org/
2159400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-09T13:02:25.2280000-06:00I'm going to see if there's something I can work on here: https://github.com/OpenArchive/Save-app-ios
2160207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-09T13:06:03.5770000-06:00cool. Ill need everyone's order so it can be onsite in time
2161207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-09T13:06:21.9250000-06:00Jimmy johns or dominos
2162400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-09T13:06:22.1550000-06:00?
2163400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-09T13:06:55.4640000-06:00Oh! Sweet
2164207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-09T13:07:17.9340000-06:00might be able to pull off bobba tea if its not too expensive
2165400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-09T13:08:05.1490000-06:00I could go for some Jimmy John's
2166400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-09T13:10:27.2410000-06:00#4 Turkey Tom on 9-Grain would be excellent
2167627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-09T16:17:40.3300000-06:00For those at home: https://gitter.im/aaron-swartz-day/community
2168627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-09T16:18:23.5160000-06:00https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz
2169627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-09T18:37:02.2280000-06:00https://kandelvijaya.com/2016/10/25/precisiontiminginios/
2170627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-09T19:49:56.4610000-06:00found this while digging around..
2171627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-09T19:49:57.2170000-06:00https://www.engadget.com/2007/07/15/turn-your-apple-iie-into-a-linux-terminal/
2172627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-09T19:50:42.7170000-06:00https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/10797/my-raspberry-pi-modded-apple-iie
2173627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-09T20:05:05.9650000-06:00Ok guys, I'll catch you all around. Calling it a night.
2174325498566762299393mizgeek2019-11-10T14:35:06.7030000-06:00I’m behind on your links. Delayed due to cold. 😱
2175325498566762299393mizgeek2019-11-10T14:35:36.8060000-06:00I love your links. 👾
2176400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-10T17:12:29.9340000-06:00😂 PowerPoint Programming: https://youtu.be/_3loq22TxSc
2177564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-11T10:47:37.1250000-06:00oh don't forget Excel is turing complete
2178564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-11T10:47:38.1220000-06:00http://www.felienne.com/archives/2974
2179400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-11T11:04:55.9070000-06:00Yeah one of my professors in college made a turing machine with Excel and demoed it
2180400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-11T11:05:22.7890000-06:00I just wasn't expecting PowerPoint lol
2181564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-11T11:49:23.8310000-06:00I'm fairly sure there's a way to make wordpad turing complete too
2182564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-11T11:49:46.9190000-06:00😸
2183400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-11T11:58:26.0550000-06:00Interesting
2184564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-11T12:14:37.7700000-06:00https://www.tenforums.com/general-support/81484-odd-question-possible-link-files-wordpad-notepad.html#post987355
2185564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-11T12:15:20.3380000-06:00since there's links; there's jumps and the document itself is just a store of data
2186564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-11-11T12:15:50.4560000-06:00the mouse and cursor becomes the pointer to the current instructuion
2187400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-11T12:20:44.7230000-06:00Lol
2188627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-11T20:20:43.2130000-06:00Unix on C64
2189627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-11T20:20:44.3990000-06:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtlAOdJmeDI
2190627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-11T20:30:17.5700000-06:00starting to get the sense of why x86 these days
2191627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-11T20:31:03.7940000-06:00or why avr for that matter
2192207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-12T10:02:45.8010000-06:00Hey @Frostfyre
2193375065632238206976frostmud2019-11-12T10:37:01.7580000-06:00Hey den!!!!
2194207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-12T14:57:07.9010000-06:00How you been?
2195388213344236077056doug.emes2019-11-12T19:52:44.3580000-06:00@raffi you here tonight?
2196400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-12T19:53:40.1540000-06:00No, not tonight
2197388213344236077056doug.emes2019-11-12T19:57:37.0140000-06:00Ahh sale and I are here
2198388213344236077056doug.emes2019-11-12T19:57:39.5910000-06:00Dale
2199388213344236077056doug.emes2019-11-12T19:58:09.5800000-06:00Wanted to test out a board
2200400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-11-12T20:04:40.0590000-06:00I would go but it costs me about $15 each way to and from DMS from my apartment and Iow on money. I'll be there tomorrow though.
2201388213344236077056doug.emes2019-11-12T20:14:00.6660000-06:00Understood. It's really far for him but don't worry.
2202375065632238206976frostmud2019-11-13T16:52:34.3340000-06:00Den, I’ve been good. I’m just really busy with work. Good to be here.
2203627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-16T03:26:36.3110000-06:00glad to have you around. been busy myself as well since we're now starting to train our NOC team and I've been oncall for the past few weeks.
2204627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-16T03:27:57.3010000-06:00though I hear your into collecting / trading old tech. Wasn't there an apple you were telling me about?
2205300083517877125121andrew51522019-11-21T14:45:27.3960000-06:00so for you web folks out there...what's 2019's 'cPanel' for "enterprise lite" management of user, "ftp", virtual private server management in the freeware segment (i.e. free to install/run on my own 'box' to manage doling out resources to a couple hundred of my closest friends, mostly for giggles, no $$ worries)?
2206627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-22T21:45:13.4780000-06:00docker and portainer
2207627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-22T22:03:50.6280000-06:00no seriously, portainer becomes the dashboard/control system where one can offer 'server bundle' for users and docker itself can run the x virtual server. https://www.sftpplus.com/articles/2019/trial-version-on-docker-hub-and-openshift.html is a good article on sftp but overall the structure comes: 1. use docker-machine to provision virtual machines (internal/community hardware) or dedicated. (can be turned into an CICD job or an on demand thing with user signup for automation) 2. use a stack like https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/datagrid/blob/master/docker-compose.yml and point the app templates end point config to something like: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/software-library 3. Deploy something like killbill.io with ldap integration as one's billing, accounting, and user management. http://killbill.io/blog/having-fun-with-docker-stripe-and-kill-bill-v2/ There's a wide range of versatility in this and one also gets a means to tie in things like sematext/tick stack, function-as-a-service, autoscaling, auto updates, and more. If one wants to go full VM and container based offerings then there's devstack/openstack.👍 (1)
2208300083517877125121andrew51522019-11-23T12:27:12.8020000-06:00reading up now... Thank you!
2209207961619538378762denzuko2019-11-23T18:08:27.4760000-06:00👍
2210627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-28T20:18:58.8800000-06:00Ok guys, find the hidden message https://gist.github.com/denzuko/08d39b8e4ee6dcb14787471f573e0065
2211627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-28T20:20:14.9520000-06:00Hope you guys remember your hex tables and color codes
2212627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-28T20:23:56.1940000-06:00by the way, I got a few gameboys and it would be cool to get them on wifi
2213627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-28T20:24:05.0810000-06:00https://hackaday.io/project/20769-wifi-game-boy-cartridge
2214627685589109571594denzuko52452019-11-28T21:25:30.2830000-06:00https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC008MpfclY6ap-QGzoTMNKg/feed
2215627685589109571594denzuko52452019-12-03T19:10:39.7840000-06:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaX6IkiBXVk❤️ (1)
2216400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-05T12:43:42.1810000-06:00Our next committee meeting will be the 30th of December
2217400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-05T12:43:44.4740000-06:00https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/edit/14745
2218400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-05T12:43:51.8140000-06:00https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Meeting_20191230
2219400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-05T12:44:01.2310000-06:00I'm going to post it on Talk as well
2220325498566762299393mizgeek2019-12-05T16:33:33.8040000-06:00Bah... I’ll be in Vegas. I know... rough life. 😄
2221400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-05T16:34:28.9170000-06:00You can always join via Discord if you can't be there physically
2222325498566762299393mizgeek2019-12-05T16:34:33.9330000-06:00After Vegas, we have a week long cruise
2223325498566762299393mizgeek2019-12-05T16:34:46.2610000-06:00I will 😎👍 (2)
2224564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-12-06T10:43:14.8500000-06:0030th of December, I might just be able to physically attend
2225564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172019-12-06T10:44:12.4900000-06:00too bad its not the 31's of December. We could have done a new years celeberation
2226400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-06T12:25:38.6030000-06:00Anyone can schedule committee meetings, not just the chair. If you do so, you are required to give two weeks notice and I believe you're required to post on Talk. In addition to that, I ask that you post something on Discord as well.
2227388213344236077056doug.emes2019-12-06T18:30:58.1830000-06:00Correct tion. 2 weeks notice for elections👍 (1)
2228400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-06T20:09:13.4530000-06:00But it looks like the minimum in terms of notice for all committee meetings is 5 days. At least that's how I interpret this: "The Chair may hold an emergency Committee meeting with 5 days notice on the forums of DMS, and on signs conspicuously posted in the committee area, provided a good faith effort to notify all current committee members is performed, and that the time of the meeting is not unreasonably restrictive on the members"
2229207961619538378762denzuko2019-12-06T20:25:40.3840000-06:00Committee events not business related can be at any time and a best practice is two weeks notice but 3 days tends to work too
2230207961619538378762denzuko2019-12-06T20:27:11.1780000-06:00myself though, I'm. Hinting at a committee holiday party ;)
2231400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-06T20:27:23.4870000-06:00I'm down
2232400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-06T20:27:58.3600000-06:00I feel like New Year's eve would be good if there isn't already a DMS event
2233400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-06T20:28:43.2540000-06:00It's a Tuesday unfortunately
2234207961619538378762denzuko2019-12-06T20:28:52.1410000-06:00Never one officially and the byob ban makes it hard to do
2235400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-06T20:28:59.6220000-06:00so people will have work the next day
2236207961619538378762denzuko2019-12-06T20:32:17.0560000-06:00well hopefully we can get more interested, I do have a vintage brut to share if we do have it
2237400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-06T20:33:04.2660000-06:00Go for it. I might not be able to make it depending on what time you decide to have it.
2238627685589109571594denzuko52452019-12-25T02:06:28.4610000-06:00Happy Yule guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-J4fJ85ARs
2239325498566762299393mizgeek2019-12-25T15:23:38.2040000-06:00Happy Yule!
2240400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-30T15:33:16.9690000-06:00Reminder that the December committee meeting is today. Details here: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/14745
2241400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-30T15:33:40.2240000-06:00We'll be discussing a reorganization of the committee area.
2242400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-30T15:33:59.7480000-06:00The agenda, which is also linked in the calendar entry, is here: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Meeting_20191230
2243388213344236077056doug.emes2019-12-30T19:06:17.6290000-06:00At home
2244388213344236077056doug.emes2019-12-30T19:06:50.9490000-06:00Can I virtually attend, otherwise Raffi take my strong proxy which will expire Jan 1 2020
2245400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-30T19:15:21.4420000-06:00We're in the #general-2 channel
2246400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-30T19:15:30.4490000-06:00You can join with voice
2247400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-30T19:15:44.2580000-06:00Please announce yourself when you join
2248400392357230673920james_david_vance2019-12-30T19:21:22.6550000-06:00#computer-committee We're live, sharing the screen in general-2
2249325498566762299393mizgeek2020-01-01T00:19:39.5920000-06:00Sorry I missed it. Was flying to Vegas during the meeting.
2250564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172020-01-01T09:01:10.6890000-06:00finally!! computer committee. gees only took us how long to get it done? 'ell how many times did I bring this up at committee meetings. either way glad we're focusing on the right things now.
2251400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-01T09:02:39.7980000-06:00@denzuko-at-work Anyone can submit an agenda item.
2252564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172020-01-01T09:03:59.1810000-06:00I missed it because, well tring to see if this round of committee members actually can come together and looks like we're getting the mark. that and well some stuff at home. Might have a new nephew any day now 😄
2253564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172020-01-01T09:06:40.0410000-06:00@DJ Vance just streight out saying that I'm talking about events that has popped up for a few years now and the political jocking from everyone that wanted to lead from the sidelines but never contribute to the committee and the community around it. But that's neither here or there. Gald we're getting on target now.
2254564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172020-01-01T09:08:03.9240000-06:00_looking hopeful at the community and tries suppress ones founder syndrome_
2255400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-01T09:11:23.7830000-06:00Thanks to everyone who came out for the meeting. It went way over an hour, but I think we made a lot of progress. And Happy New Year! May everyone's 2020 be golden! 🌟😄 (1),👍 (1)
2256564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172020-01-01T09:18:02.8090000-06:00just a heads up, https://www.reddit.com/r/Piratebox/comments/dy75r5/adding_mikrotik_and_ipfs_support/ that's and frostmud's redesign is going to be my coding focus this month so expect to see a few challenges pop up on the ctf around IPFS and MUDs
2257564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172020-01-01T09:18:23.1230000-06:00might also have something in there from UUCP 😉
2258564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172020-01-01T09:49:33.3450000-06:00https://github.com/ffuf/ffuf
2259342122771272302594johntron02020-01-09T01:55:05.9270000-06:00Added some docs for how the calendar works: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar/pull/115
2260342122771272302594johntron02020-01-09T01:56:26.7070000-06:00I was thinking it'd be nice to add a webdav/caldav view, but I'm not familiar with the tech stack, so this is a starting point.
2261564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172020-01-09T15:37:30.1380000-06:00@DJ Vance no critization was being implied. I'm generally asking the chair of the commit about the status of an action item that was discussed last year
2262564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172020-01-09T16:09:43.6900000-06:00especially since there's books and a few equipment n there that the committee would need and originally purchased for classes
2263400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-09T16:48:55.0810000-06:00Okay, my bad, I thought you were talking about the bins and shelving we discussed at the previous meeting. Apparently you were talking about drawers to go into the rack. My apologies. I think you can see how that message could be misinterpreted, though.
2264400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-09T16:51:12.5440000-06:00So I'll be at the space Saturday. I'm gonna make it an all day thing. I have a prior commitment for which I need to be on Skype from 4-6pm, but I'll be moving stuff from the warehouse from around 12pm to 9pm outside of that.
2265325498566762299393mizgeek2020-01-10T09:51:59.4070000-06:00Sorry I can’t help. We left town on the 30th and don’t return until the 16th.
2266564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172020-01-10T10:32:52.6540000-06:00I'll be there tonight. The "important" items on those pallets will be moved into the rack (we can clean that up as we go and if we need the capital then say so I'll order the items myself and have them shipped over night. Same goes for the wall shelving for the books)👍 (1)
2267388213344236077056doug.emes2020-01-10T19:46:46.9580000-06:00Hope some of yall can make Sunday bod meeting
2268400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T12:31:47.9180000-06:00Dwight, I saw you moving stuff yesterday. Thank you
2269400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T14:36:05.0550000-06:00I'm going to post pics of everything I'm putting on the freebie shelf so if you want to pick it up and take it home you can do so
2270400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T14:36:23.0210000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665655266515353618/JPEG_20200111_143620.jpg?ex=67b98c86&is=67b83b06&hm=3b4de240ab0595c2e71c8f20419ef492ebbfa71f9e27ef639a5e5b64b75c5f86&
2271400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T14:36:53.8860000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665655396312285225/JPEG_20200111_143652.jpg?ex=67b98ca5&is=67b83b25&hm=ddd387a993fb20f57049dfafd5a63e82f2d6431d396931b40a3997f8a10a7ced&
2272400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T14:37:56.5920000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665655659848663060/JPEG_20200111_143754.jpg?ex=67b98ce4&is=67b83b64&hm=aaea3319a4ccdcc24f98067c29f1b671a9de8f8314d258b14071c2b3d7cea24c&
2273400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T14:38:13.4080000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665655730380079104/JPEG_20200111_143811.jpg?ex=67b98cf5&is=67b83b75&hm=93081b9ffe051dd4a1570b269c983e4cb0ac6d9c00994bf16ac87c8534313237&
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2287306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-01-11T14:46:12.2270000-06:00I like how you are putting a bunch of trash on the free shelf that will have to be dumpstered tomorrow instead of just taking it to the dumpster.
2288400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T14:46:20.0790000-06:00If anyone wants to tell me why something shouldn't be put on the freebie shelf, I will listen and maybe put it in the committee area
2289400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T14:47:43.5450000-06:00@SewingStuff if it were trash, I'd be upset too
2290400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T14:48:49.8790000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665658399261720577/JPEG_20200111_144846.jpg?ex=67b98f71&is=67b83df1&hm=7ec520f6a4494dfedea72b06a4fadf1f1b67d5ae4474dabde1820f15b2940c79&
2291400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T14:50:05.4890000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665658717064396805/JPEG_20200111_145003.jpg?ex=67b98fbd&is=67b83e3d&hm=2e57b58c95c0e6c0f5b202121fa15d597760658aff8d353aa244d458bd0bdfa1&
2292306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-01-11T14:50:06.8380000-06:00Why aren’t you selling any of those treasures? Oh. Yeah.
2293400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T14:51:04.8640000-06:00@SewingStuff because I don't think they're worth the hassle
2294400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T14:51:22.2990000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665659039228624937/JPEG_20200111_145120.jpg?ex=67b9900a&is=67b83e8a&hm=9927df96d5ef26dae88908b73f43e43803311f8044d56a288a69ec4567f3bbec&
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2301400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T15:07:42.8050000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665663150502182922/JPEG_20200111_150727.jpg?ex=67b993de&is=67b8425e&hm=c3380bccd20efeaf5e8d89a4862e97928501ffe743b1660b1316ca5e2d0c8b59&,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665663151064350740/JPEG_20200111_150735.jpg?ex=67b993de&is=67b8425e&hm=5bd23436799e73f4efa2de9b6fc5d37f9c5290159e2ec89222ad551b12f0db1b&
2302400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T15:08:42.5190000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665663402227662858/JPEG_20200111_150841.jpg?ex=67b9941a&is=67b8429a&hm=3384f9eded339141197c5a418e180a82f303a3e167dad337d9dce7dc58f4a919&
2303400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T15:10:22.7550000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665663822647787521/JPEG_20200111_151020.jpg?ex=67b9947e&is=67b842fe&hm=a86f7d238a1433a99c16fa8d22984705dd999d1b32f0aa1ead283d0183e1a37a&
2304400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T15:11:55.9730000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665664213091352602/JPEG_20200111_151154.jpg?ex=67b994db&is=67b8435b&hm=75a7a5b8dbd45246c118855dd48c1ffcf5b8e5167ee3ec914a221cc013d928c9&
2305400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T15:16:56.1060000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665665472481460240/JPEG_20200111_151650.jpg?ex=67b99608&is=67b84488&hm=4120320481c8b74de775cda56cdebac7d7849c73ffb6066288cb599d46501915&
2306194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-01-11T15:17:57.5690000-06:00You tossing out that Frank Sinatra vinyl that was by those bins a while back?
2307400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T15:19:05.3820000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665666014704304156/JPEG_20200111_151903.jpg?ex=67b99689&is=67b84509&hm=ea9957442239053577690ee0acffab9d08a3c56db0982a3305e2eb56bc7cebfe&
2308400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T15:19:14.3140000-06:00@pearce that one?
2309194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-01-11T15:20:23.6760000-06:00Might be, my wife had been worrying that I was going to have to trash all the records
2310400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T15:22:11.1620000-06:00Do you think we should keep it in the committee area?
2311400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T15:23:50.6710000-06:00I guess I can put the records on Facebook marketplace, only accept cash, and that money can go to the commitee
2312400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T15:34:32.4640000-06:00I'm going to put some stuff on Facebook Marketplace and sell it for the committee. Including the records.
2313194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-01-11T16:51:24.8850000-06:00Cool
2314400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T16:53:30.1190000-06:00I'm going to default to trying to sell stuff instead of putting it on the freebie shelf
2315400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T16:54:21.4750000-06:00But if the stuff doesn't have any offers within like a month of posting, it's going either to the freebie shelf or the trash.
2316115183069555589125aceat642020-01-11T17:00:39.8610000-06:00just fyi, be sure to send an email to finance/treasurer with a link to the postings, they'll likely ask for it so it's easier to just do it ahead of time👍 (1)
2317400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T17:05:43.1610000-06:00@aceat64 Thank you! I would not have known to do that otherwise.
2318115183069555589125aceat642020-01-11T17:06:08.7640000-06:00might be good to check in with them and find out how they'd prefer payment and documentation done
2319115183069555589125aceat642020-01-11T17:06:24.0160000-06:00if it's like ebay we may even have an account for it
2320400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T17:42:40.3440000-06:00@Brsims I believe you said I don't need documentation for stuff under $200 right?
2321400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T17:42:58.0670000-06:00I'm thinking I'll just take cash to make things easier
2322400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T19:27:02.5900000-06:00Why would someone want to keep a floppy disk with prolog on it? I'm genuinely curious
2323400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T20:10:48.8050000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665739429381406720/JPEG_20200111_201047.jpg?ex=67b93228&is=67b7e0a8&hm=10e3df0f091e5ec8f61e2e1c8b3a3c8c4294cec74cba435fda3123f6767a97ba&
2324400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T20:12:36.5260000-06:00This stuff is going in the committee area for now. If anyone wants to make the case that it should stay there, please do so. Otherwise, it will be thrown out after a month goes by without anyone making the case that we should keep it. I'm talking sspecifixally about the papershttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665739880105508933/JPEG_20200111_201101.jpg?ex=67b93294&is=67b7e114&hm=c1dfa22e05deaf16f29445c217c44607ce28117c1694bffbbf68909732e39278&,https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665739880759951360/JPEG_20200111_201047.jpg?ex=67b93294&is=67b7e114&hm=4d1372183987f93391b33f269eabee244c8945750560b446034f40a3ae8234dd&
2325400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T20:13:04.7390000-06:00Also, the science committee donated two fire-retardant tables I think would make great desks
2326325498566762299393mizgeek2020-01-11T20:36:55.1790000-06:00Scan the papers before discarding? That’s the only way I haven’t died in a hoarder’s mound of paper.
2327400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T20:39:50.8800000-06:00Go for it. Like I said, it will be in the committee area. I can let you know where exactly in the committee area the papers will be once I'm done moving everything.
2328400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T20:41:46.0720000-06:002/3 done!https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665747219324076045/JPEG_20200111_204129.jpg?ex=67b9396a&is=67b7e7ea&hm=10a83e86ba4dd26ff877c533c3e6fa840f99d79da3440824806f95dc475a6ffe&👍 (1)
2329325498566762299393mizgeek2020-01-11T20:42:31.6280000-06:00We will be back in town on the 16th. CA clean up is Sunday so maybe next weekish. I have a month. 😁 We have a gig at the end of the month.
2330325498566762299393mizgeek2020-01-11T20:44:00.4380000-06:00There is a scanner up there, right? Or I can drag mine in.
2331325498566762299393mizgeek2020-01-11T20:44:19.8450000-06:00You go!
2332400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T21:04:59.2900000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665753062463242267/JPEG_20200111_210047.jpg?ex=67b93edb&is=67b7ed5b&hm=727c59456549ad7f4c549b06c30666a2957cebaa076a6860592a2be7b0c7480b&
2333400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-11T21:05:02.8460000-06:00Done!
2334400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-12T21:37:10.1030000-06:00https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/15030
2335400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-12T21:37:16.9840000-06:00Next committee meeting👍 (1)
2336400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-12T21:39:40.1380000-06:00Wiki Entry: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Computer_Committee_Meeting_20200129
2337342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:09:58.3380000-06:00Why are Hackerspace and Software Development separate committees?
2338400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:10:29.5570000-06:00There is no longer a Software Development commitee
2339400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:10:43.8990000-06:00And we renamed it from Hackerspace to Computer Committee
2340342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:10:48.6000000-06:00Ah - wiki needs to be updated then.
2341342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:10:55.2300000-06:00Thanks for the info
2342400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:11:19.9380000-06:00What link needs to be updated? I can get on that.
2343400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:11:35.4040000-06:00Or what page rather
2344342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:12:33.6940000-06:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/666751528648048691/unknown.png?ex=67b99500&is=67b84380&hm=7f3d0d761870eefc8f7500bf9c4db723181242e7994cb2d78b911dc1a55abc7b&👍 (1)
2345342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:13:06.4020000-06:00The Hackerspace Committee *Category* needs to be renamed, and Software Development Committee *Category* needs to be moved to Inactive
2346400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:13:07.4330000-06:00Thank you
2347342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:13:10.0740000-06:00np 😄
2348342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:13:30.4540000-06:00I was going to do that, but wasn't sure if people would object.
2349300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T15:14:05.7030000-06:00nobody will object to housekeeping on the wiki
2350300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T15:14:11.0690000-06:00it is sorely needed
2351300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T15:14:30.9400000-06:00(always)
2352342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:14:40.8810000-06:00Hehe, still waiting on someone to migrate my revised homepage: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Main_Page_Revised
2353342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:14:53.6420000-06:00Or at least give feedback
2354300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T15:14:55.1510000-06:00Yeah. Not sure what's going on there👍 (1)
2355547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-14T15:42:38.1730000-06:00life happened
2356400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:42:59.1980000-06:00It usually does
2357547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-14T15:43:02.1480000-06:00will see if I can review it again, integrate with the look and feel of the present page
2358400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:43:04.1630000-06:00It be like that
2359342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:48:41.5770000-06:00I figured - thanks @ESmith. Didn't intend for that to come off passive-aggressively, so don't take it that way 🙂
2360547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-14T15:49:02.8430000-06:00no worries
2361547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-14T15:49:07.1780000-06:00we're all volunteers
2362342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:49:38.5860000-06:00Also, as far as look and fee, my revised page adapts to narrower screens - you should be able to look at source to see sort of how that works. Happy to answer questions/help if you need me.
2363300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T15:51:49.5620000-06:00I'm not a fan of listing ALL the committees right up front there, I like the links done on the regular page better for that, but It does adapt to handhelds better than the regular page
2364342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:52:25.1610000-06:00My thinking on that was if layout can support it, better to list those, since that's probably the most commonly-used links.
2365400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:52:27.3470000-06:00I think it would work if there were a blurb for each commitee
2366342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:52:39.3610000-06:00can just click the link 😛
2367342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:52:49.9210000-06:00ping-pong around a bit
2368342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:52:53.9740000-06:00only have to do that once 😛
2369400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:52:57.1070000-06:00Sounds annoyinh
2370342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:53:22.5720000-06:00just my opinion - happy to make adjustments
2371547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-14T15:53:38.6880000-06:00what do I use the wiki for ... meeting agenda/minutes committee pages standing rules bylaws
2372300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T15:53:45.2700000-06:00for me, it equal to "wall of text", filling the screen with weird text that isn't why I stopped in to the main page
2373400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:54:08.1280000-06:00@A. Spencer(jast) why did you stop in to the main page?
2374547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-14T15:54:13.4520000-06:00main page has links to most of those, but it's also a wasteland that tries to perform some of the functions best handled by the main website👍 (1)
2375342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:54:31.1970000-06:00hehe - ok yeah. I'm sure there are different personas, multiple use cases, etc. Should we do some UX research or make some smaller changes?
2376400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:54:44.8510000-06:00I think we need separation of concerns
2377547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-14T15:54:55.6410000-06:00if you're at the wiki, odds are you got there for a reason - not necessarily the same for the main website
2378342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:55:02.6690000-06:00Yeah - I tried to remove some info or shove it more towards the bottom when I felt it was redundant (with website)
2379547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-14T15:55:38.4820000-06:00so I've thought about this but have mostly concerned myself with meeting minutes and other organizational governance-fu
2380400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:55:42.5810000-06:00Form should follow function. So there should be zero ambiguity as to what the purpose of the main page is before you get started with the layout.
2381300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T15:56:14.3340000-06:00to be fair, experienced members stop in to get to somewhere else: tools, committees, meetings pages and the like
2382300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T15:56:39.9650000-06:00but the main page needs to be inviting to propsective members, too, and I think the existing one does a much better job on that front
2383300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T15:56:59.5900000-06:00(although it would be nice if it scaled to handheld better)
2384400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:57:11.4900000-06:00I think this requires a larger audience, maybe a team dedicated to the development and points of contact when design decisions need to be made.
2385342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:57:15.9590000-06:00Can you elaborate on that? Do you mean aesthetically or as far as the info and how it's arranged?
2386342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:58:08.5410000-06:00Yeah, I don't want to organize that sort of thing Raffi, but happy to give my input if somebody else does.
2387342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T15:58:55.1530000-06:00Currently shopping for a house, so can't commit to that. Maybe later though.
2388300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T15:59:20.0220000-06:00aesthetically ergonomics are all wrong to me I open the page, and scroll halfway down, and get a white wall of 2 columns of text that appear to be committees (of course, if we're experienced, we know this, but it's unfriendly to new looky-loos, I think)👍 (1)
2389400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T15:59:39.6250000-06:00What I mean is that the layout of the page should defer to how it should be used. If it's purpose is solely to let people access the commitees, for example, that would influence the layout of the page. If the sole purpose is to give a snapshot of activities at the space, that would influence the layout. If the purpose includes both of those, but the primary purpose of to give people a snapshot, that would influence the layout.
2390300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T15:59:57.9000000-06:00and, FTW, the columns aren't even
2391300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T15:59:59.2030000-06:00😄
2392400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:00:19.5090000-06:00Requirements gathering -> visual design -> implementation
2393342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:00:23.8130000-06:00Good point jast - I started the revisions thinking new members need an easier way to find info, then figured most of that was already on the website.
2394342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:00:33.4990000-06:00We could make the new member 411 more prominent.☝️ (1)
2395342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:01:38.7190000-06:00Cool - I can try to summarize these points and add it to the discussion page on homepage. We can break them down, do analysis, come up with ideas, and implement.
2396400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:02:24.3020000-06:00Who would I talk to if I want to play with our APIs in an iOS app? This is not a commitment that I'm going to make an app.
2397300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T16:04:27.1290000-06:00re: new member 411... it gets emailed out when a member joins. It's here. it's in talk. Its...ignored anyway... today's user of electronic resources appears to know 1 thing, and 1 thing only: shout from your front door into the nearest social media portal, and wait for the first respondent before RUNNING toward whatever you've heard😫 (1),💯 (1)
2398488485682184978442yashsedai2020-01-14T16:04:30.2720000-06:00what apis?
2399300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T16:05:08.6410000-06:00but friendface and twiter were "something new" at some point, too...
2400400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:05:10.3270000-06:00The web APIs that the website uses
2401488485682184978442yashsedai2020-01-14T16:05:26.3780000-06:00gonna need you to be more specific
2402488485682184978442yashsedai2020-01-14T16:06:08.0380000-06:00the only api's i know of run the backend integration between makermanager and the billing system
2403400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:06:17.7640000-06:00for example, calendar.dallasmakerspace.org fetches a list of events from a server
2404547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-14T16:06:40.0430000-06:00speaking of ... @DJ Vance you've got a nonmember that wants to attend your philosophy meetup tomorrow - might want to be on the lookout for someone trying to get in the building
2405400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:07:16.9340000-06:00So if I wanted to do that in an app, I would need to know what URL and what parameters, if any, I need to give it.
2406342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:07:53.2230000-06:00Raffi - haven't actually looked at browser's network panel, but I believe calendar is rendered server-side, so no REST-ish API.
2407342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:08:28.5550000-06:00Oh Raffi - you organize the philosophy meetup? I've been wanting to attend, just waiting for the stars to align.
2408400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:08:38.9180000-06:00I do
2409400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:08:48.4780000-06:00There is an API
2410400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:08:54.7570000-06:00even if it's not rest
2411342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:08:56.0680000-06:00Very cool. Can we chat later? Need to get back to work, but I'm interested.
2412400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:09:01.7240000-06:00The website is making a request
2413342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:09:08.4340000-06:00You can parse the HTML
2414400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:09:15.1230000-06:00Fair enough
2415342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:09:33.6170000-06:00here's that: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar
2416342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:09:48.3200000-06:00can look at the GH org to see what else is there.
2417400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:09:52.6350000-06:00That's what I'm talking about. Thank you!
2418342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:10:09.9100000-06:00np - I just added docs to calendar if you're lookin to make changes 😉
2419400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:10:18.1610000-06:00Holy shit
2420400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:10:27.7980000-06:00I assumed there was no documentation
2421342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:10:32.1630000-06:00well, "how it works" type of super high-level docs
2422342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:10:48.4330000-06:00there was documentation! don't be so gloomy!
2423400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:10:52.7850000-06:00That's *much* better than nothing
2424400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T16:10:59.5600000-06:00Oh okay
2425342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:11:02.9970000-06:00hehe
2426342122771272302594johntron02020-01-14T16:11:06.8790000-06:00have fun - gotta go
2427300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-14T16:25:40.1200000-06:00this is floating around... https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/updated-android-app-for-tracking-events-added-to-the-dms-calendar/33995
2428400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T22:13:54.0420000-06:00So it turns out that we can't keep obsolete books like Java 2 and HTML 4 in the committee area. A board member has contacted me and told me to take it home or throw it away. I'm not taking any of it home.
2429400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T22:14:44.2480000-06:00This has to be done before Saturday morning because of tours.
2430400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-14T22:19:06.7650000-06:00I'll be at the space tomorrow for philosophy, but I wont throw stuff out then. I'll do it on Friday after I get out of work. I'll be at the space no earlier than 5:15pm Friday. I'm clarifying with the board what exactly needs to go, but I think the actual computers can stay (the iMac, Commodore, and two other Apple computers). The old rack linted server has to go. That was called out by the board.
2431547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-15T12:57:32.1400000-06:00*speaking as a former Logistics chair that had to maintain what is now the member exchange shelf* There's a lot of **just BARELY not trash** that ends up on the shelf that ended up taking a far more convoluted path to the landfill than it had to. If you can't find a use for it, can't sell it, and don't know someone that has an immediate use for it *consider throwing it away*
2432547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-15T12:58:11.9650000-06:00if you can't bear the thought of tossing it, consider an org like Scrap Denton that collects volumes of odds-and-ends for art projects and the like
2433400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-15T12:59:13.9050000-06:00@denzuko @MizGeek I want to make sure you guys see the above few messages in case you want to pick stuff up before 5:15pm Friday
2434400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-15T13:00:01.6590000-06:00@denzuko-at-work @denzuko @denzuko @denzuuko @Denzuko.sdf.org😂 (1)
2435325498566762299393mizgeek2020-01-15T14:00:50.9550000-06:00Should we take to Half-Price books? Call and see if they will take them?
2436325498566762299393mizgeek2020-01-15T14:03:02.1770000-06:00I’m heading to the airport at the moment.
2437300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-15T14:47:40.6820000-06:00so here's a stupid nooB question that I'm sure you good folks can answer in a heartbeat let's say I have a customer who, up until recently, has been using ftp and I'm working to warm them to SFTP so at least not EVERYTHING is in plain text. But... as the server admin, how do you 1. obtain the "host fingerprint" to pass along to them, so when they get squeemish about clicking "yes" to accept the key, it matches 2. why don't the various clients match, each other (filezilla shows a different key than winscp) or match anything I've turned up with something like `for f in /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key do ssh-keygen -l -f "$f"; done` ?
2438400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-15T14:50:27.5840000-06:00Mark Havens probably knows the answer to this. @mrhavens
2439316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-01-15T14:59:37.5010000-06:00@A. Spencer(jast) I got around this by using a script that added fingerprints to the users machines. Typically filezilla (last I did this) had a cache I could edit. WinSCP may not be using the TLS ftp, but rather SSH (is it's default).
2440300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-15T15:00:32.3310000-06:00server-side is sshd
2441300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-15T15:01:07.5160000-06:00hypothetical clients are not machines I can touch
2442300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-15T15:01:51.3320000-06:00but I'd still be interested in where you got your fingerprints to be able to use the script on the clients
2443316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-01-15T16:12:54.8930000-06:00when I setup the server side I ran each client to grab the fingerprints, then just used a script to insert them into the respective known hosts on the machines
2444316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-01-15T16:13:38.1160000-06:00gathering the fingerprints was manual, as different clients used different modes and I'm not certain on how each was doing it
2445300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-15T16:20:26.9480000-06:00👍
2446300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-15T16:20:30.0850000-06:00Thank you!
2447564831190390145025denzukoatwork23172020-01-16T09:59:32.0370000-06:00@A. Spencer(jast) ssh-keyscan(1) https://linux.die.net/man/1/ssh-keyscan then pipe that to tee(1) with the -a flag for ~/.ssh/known_hosts. [ssh-keyscan sdf.org | tee -a ~/.ssh/known_hosts] 2) any load balancer in front of the ssh server? Only way there's different "host fingerprints" is if there's different keys and that typically means a, compromised server/session, b, some HA traffic management
2448300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-16T10:20:13.9940000-06:00hm. that gets me yet another string of characters which, other than the labels, appears completely unconnected. Interesting question on the load balancer. None _that I'm aware of_ but maybe I should check into that. I'm 90% sure there's none, but...
2449400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-16T13:38:31.4480000-06:00Update on removal of obsolete stuff: Dwight and Austin helped me go through it and throw away or put stuff on the freebie shelf as needed. 90% of the stuff went in the trash. I wish people would have come and picked up some of the stuff. I threw away an Apple monitor and it made me sad
2450400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-16T17:05:33.1670000-06:00@MizGeek I want to draw your attention to that last message
2451325498566762299393mizgeek2020-01-16T17:31:45.3700000-06:00That makes me sad, too. We just flew in last night and I’m still unpacking the 9 pieces of luggage and bonding with the washing machine. So does that mean you guys dealt with the books?
2452325498566762299393mizgeek2020-01-16T17:33:28.1420000-06:00(Three weeks of vacation is hard work. 😬)
2453325498566762299393mizgeek2020-01-16T17:39:15.2700000-06:00Ugh... just got to Talk. K
2454325498566762299393mizgeek2020-01-16T17:41:25.7440000-06:00Wallowing through the bickering... did you still want me to scan paper in the next few weeks or were they pitched, also?
2455400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-16T19:13:16.0710000-06:00They were pitched
2456325498566762299393mizgeek2020-01-16T19:18:36.5720000-06:00Okey doke
2457300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-16T19:49:50.5650000-06:00This makes us all sad. But...finite space, etc. etc.
2458400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T15:17:20.0320000-06:00https://tenor.com/view/yes-sweet-hellyes-pumpit-gif-3532253
2459400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T15:17:59.4960000-06:00@Johntron me when I saw that you guys use MVC. Excellent documentation btw compared to my current company.
2460400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T15:18:46.8810000-06:00MVC is the most commonly-used architecture for iOS apps and I'm an iOS app developer.
2461400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:15:09.1150000-06:00This page, advertised under the section "Classes" on our Wiki page, was created by Dwight in October 2018: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Blockchain
2462400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:15:25.7450000-06:00I just can't keep this stuff to myself.
2463400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:16:02.9470000-06:00One of the links on that page takes you here: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/announcement-hackathon-blockchain/41710
2464400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:16:19.4530000-06:00Where Dwight advertised it as a hackathon.
2465400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:17:10.9160000-06:00On that Talk post, the link text is "MLH.Localhost hackathons", but when you click on the link, the website says "MLH Localhost Workshops"
2466400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:19:43.9490000-06:00There were originally 9 SIGs listed under the Hosted SIG section in our Wiki.
2467400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:20:01.4800000-06:00The Crypto SIG had a section called Meetings which was empty: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Crypto_SIG
2468400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:20:59.2240000-06:00This one doesn't mention any members or meetings and is very sparse for a SIG: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Community_Grid_Meshnet
2469400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:22:46.3460000-06:00This one doesn't state any members or meetings, seems much more like a project than a SIG: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Community_Grid_Compute_Cluster#Acceptable_Use
2470400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:24:23.3260000-06:00Software Development was listed as SIG and has a significant portion of its page "TBD": https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Software_Development
2471400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:27:17.8260000-06:00The Infosec SIG does not state a leader, members, or meetings past or future: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Infosec_SIG
2472400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:28:08.0010000-06:00Dwight is the only one listed as a member of the DevOps Leadership SIG: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:DevOps_Leadership
2473400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:28:53.9180000-06:00The IoT SIG consists of one section, Purpose, which reads: "To coordinate IoT development activities and discuss IoT and SCADA hacking at DMS To implement useful IoT and SCADA projects To promote IoT by recruiting new participants and sponsors": https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/IoT_SIG
2474400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T18:32:16.4450000-06:00The Civic Hacking SIG page was last edited by Erik on October 2019. Before that, the previous edit was in October 2018. https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Civic_Hacking
2475488485682184978442yashsedai2020-01-20T19:00:00.0100000-06:00get rid of them all?
2476400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T19:04:43.3380000-06:00Yup
2477400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T19:04:58.9670000-06:00I already did.
2478488485682184978442yashsedai2020-01-20T19:29:14.1580000-06:00nice
2479400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-20T19:30:10.4190000-06:00More like frustrating
2480547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-21T13:20:14.2670000-06:00there was ... a lot ... of stuff I condensed into the new category
2481547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-21T13:20:22.7810000-06:00a great deal of it looked to be stale at best
2482547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-21T13:20:39.5020000-06:00however I wasn't sufficiently up on goings on to make the call
2483547106163842613259nullinterface2020-01-21T13:29:13.7390000-06:00and for shiggles I've replaced Software Development category with a redirect to Hackerspace❤️ (2)
2484400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-21T13:47:23.9700000-06:00Thank you!
2485400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-21T21:40:23.2560000-06:00To be clear, the pages still exist. They are just not linked to on our committee page.
2486627685589109571594denzuko52452020-01-24T00:48:19.6390000-06:00Looking over the inventory page for the interactive computer museum; Those two Sinclair ZX81 apparently got thrown out, not by myself mind you.
2487300083517877125121andrew51522020-01-24T06:34:41.6630000-06:00🤦‍♂️
2488400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-29T14:35:52.2230000-06:00Reminder that there is a committee meeting tonight at 7
2489400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-29T18:51:30.6460000-06:00I'm going to be like 5 minutes late
2490400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-29T19:12:36.4760000-06:00There's no one at the meeting
2491400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-29T19:12:54.0390000-06:00Is anyone on here interested in the meeting
2492400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-29T19:13:14.2820000-06:00@Holly
2493400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-01-29T19:17:05.9000000-06:00I don't want to have a meeting with myself, so I'm going to go to Philosophy until someone else shows up. Just mention me here and I'll be notified.
2494388213344236077056doug.emes2020-01-29T21:00:05.5820000-06:00I attended Mark Havens class that overran the start of the meeting.
2495627685589109571594denzuko52452020-02-01T17:38:27.1490000-06:00vintage and retro computer guys; thought you'll enjoy this. Just came across a discord server for us: https://discordapp.com/channels/618408247073701890/618412156567945255
2496627685589109571594denzuko52452020-02-01T17:39:25.8910000-06:00amazingly they even have a homebrew computing channel
2497627685589109571594denzuko52452020-02-01T17:43:13.4350000-06:00also.. sick and tired of trying to get this esp8266 to work so found one prebuilt with a db9 rs232 interface: https://www.simulant.uk/shop/retro-vintage-computer-wifi-modem-rs232-serial-hayes-compatible
2498627685589109571594denzuko52452020-02-01T17:44:47.5180000-06:00there's a c128 adaptor for a few bucks more so let me if we would like a bulk order and I'll donate a few to the committee
2499400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-02-03T02:34:16.4810000-06:00Are you asking if I would accept them as a donation?
2500400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-02-03T02:34:26.8890000-06:00Are you asking for reimbursement?
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