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2488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:06:07.5060000-05:00#1
3540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-19T23:16:34.6120000-05:00*mutes channel*👍 (1)
4547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-19T23:17:09.2250000-05:00🤣
5325498566762299393mizgeek2020-03-19T23:29:07.7600000-05:00-pith helmet required-
6547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-19T23:43:26.4270000-05:00pith helmet ... I'm reminded of something a co-worker often says : *There's something about a top-break revolver that says **I'm here to oppress you.***
7488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:43:44.3010000-05:00LOLOL
8343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-19T23:44:33.1580000-05:00🍿 okay so when does it start? I am ready
9547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-19T23:44:55.5550000-05:00start with something appropriately DMS scandalous
10194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-19T23:45:20.9260000-05:00something like "so whos in the crosshairs next"
11547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-19T23:45:32.0360000-05:00perhaps summon the Draco
12488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:47:14.9810000-05:00lolol
13547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-19T23:47:34.7850000-05:00or volunteer someone to run the 10x10
14488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:47:53.0840000-05:00so i propose that googolaire and bishop be in the crosshairs next
15488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:48:10.8810000-05:00QUICK! @Draco come to their defense
16488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:48:19.4440000-05:00community!
17488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:48:26.0910000-05:00clay poking metal!
18488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:48:34.0850000-05:00I CAN COUNT TO FIRETRUCK!
19306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-19T23:49:50.0980000-05:00I’m so glad Cairenn doesn’t have discord.
20488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:49:57.2530000-05:00oh lawdy
21488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:50:00.9840000-05:00that would be terribad
22343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-19T23:50:09.3480000-05:00yeah.... how about we don't mention that to her
23488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:50:20.9180000-05:00my clay brings all the metal poking things to the yard
24306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-19T23:50:29.0610000-05:00There is the ignore feature here though.
25488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:50:30.9400000-05:00damn right its pokier than y'alls
26343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-19T23:50:35.2180000-05:00or how about who would be the most comical board to put together
27488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:50:43.2860000-05:00lol
28343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-19T23:51:50.0250000-05:00perhaps a most likely to annoy the membership category and a most likely to annoy each other category?/
29488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-19T23:52:28.7250000-05:00haha that could go so many ways
30343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-19T23:57:43.8580000-05:00hmmm.... brandon, allen, kevin, cairenn, russell?
31306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-19T23:58:14.1770000-05:00Brandon and Allen would hurt their feelings until they quit.
32306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-19T23:58:19.2540000-05:00Especially Allen. Omg.
33343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-19T23:58:51.9630000-05:00thats my annoy each other pick i think
34194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-19T23:58:57.1270000-05:00brandon would get shit done
35306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-19T23:59:21.4470000-05:00Yeah DMS would be cleaner than it’s ever been.
36306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-19T23:59:30.4480000-05:00And it would actually consistently have tools.
37343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-19T23:59:37.9280000-05:00just whoever crossed my mind... i imagine there is a better pick
38343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-19T23:59:48.6380000-05:00better annoy each other pick
39306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T00:01:36.0560000-05:00That was pretty magical.
40262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T00:06:14.1350000-05:00I think if Brandon got on the board, that DMS would be clean very clean and there might need to be a new dumpster or two installed lol
41306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T00:13:05.8810000-05:00Talk drama is quiet most of the evening. It’s usually during the day that it pops off.
42262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T00:13:40.2730000-05:00Well then I guess it is lucky I don't see it
43262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T00:13:53.4400000-05:00else I might be tempted
44262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T00:13:55.4230000-05:00lol
45306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T00:15:16.6240000-05:00It’s mostly just hissy fits over DMS closing lately.
46262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T00:15:41.0750000-05:00I think it was the right thing to do under the circumstances
47194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T00:16:17.1920000-05:00just some entitled guy who had business plans the revolved around the dms staying open
48306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T00:16:36.2190000-05:00My favorite part is that he wanted to use the internet there.
49547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-20T00:16:59.6950000-05:00https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/03/19/newsom-orders-all-40m-californians-to-stay-home-in-nations-strictest-state-lockdown-1268248 not DMS politics, but craziness nonetheless
50306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T00:17:20.4860000-05:00DMS is like a homeless shelter without any of the rules.😆 (2)
51529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-20T09:52:03.2770000-05:00Back to the crazy board member suggestions: I nominate the CeramiCAp dude.
52529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-20T09:52:42.2340000-05:00Max Kirkland would be interesting as well.
53300300278903734282mell.jpg2020-03-20T11:51:07.9880000-05:00While we're at it Russellcrow for sure right?😱 (1),🤣 (1)
54115183069555589125aceat642020-03-20T12:04:42.8480000-05:00For the upcoming board meeting we could make a room in discord that only lets users with certain roles talk👍 (1)
55488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T12:05:19.3450000-05:00HAHA
56115183069555589125aceat642020-03-20T12:05:55.4410000-05:00I mean we have a text one like that now, but can do the same in voice
57488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T12:07:29.8890000-05:00whelp, im muted!
58316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-20T12:25:34.1290000-05:00Google Meet; can mute participants who are disruptive / until questions etc are ready
59316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-20T12:25:39.9000000-05:00raised hands via the chat etc
60194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T12:26:37.8990000-05:00When the board meetings are streamed the audience is already muted
61194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T12:26:51.1230000-05:00I watch chat for questions
62334393967015755776agr00902020-03-20T12:29:09.8400000-05:00could have record attendance if people have nothing else to do
63262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T14:19:01.9580000-05:00What Politics .. DMS ain't go no Politics .. everyone always agrees on everything!
64262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T14:19:34.4940000-05:00especially when locked in DMS
65300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-03-20T14:59:35.3990000-05:00Help, I'm stuck in the janitors closet! 😉😆 (1)
66488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T15:04:57.0900000-05:00lol
67194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T15:05:23.6780000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/3-22-20-pay-to-play-model-for-tool-training/70145/17
68194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T15:05:52.5800000-05:00here come the people who think they should be able to nickel and dime new members
69488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T15:06:45.1550000-05:00lol
70488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T15:07:30.1960000-05:00but pearce, john gorman wants to charge for lasers
71306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T15:07:33.2940000-05:00Kevin has a lot more time on his hands now without his stripper poles to work on
72488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T15:07:49.1870000-05:00john should be able to make his money
73488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T15:07:50.5260000-05:00you know
74306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T15:07:59.5190000-05:00Look Freddy that Miller High Life won’t pay for itself
75488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T15:07:59.9290000-05:00like max paying his mortgage via 3d printers
76334393967015755776agr00902020-03-20T15:08:29.6530000-05:00seems like it would be a better deal for DMS in long run to offer 1 to $5,000 for someone to create and deploy online required training for tools
77488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T15:08:34.3530000-05:00people should be able to profit from the non profit, you know because its theirs
78334393967015755776agr00902020-03-20T15:08:43.3570000-05:00removes the supply issue of no one offering training for $25
79488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T15:08:58.5160000-05:00I'm in agreement brandon, but I think it can be had for free
80194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T15:09:01.5370000-05:00seems like right now is a great time for people to work on online classes
81194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T15:09:26.5110000-05:00from kevins posthttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/690653249627488376/unknown.png?ex=67b98636&is=67b834b6&hm=26c65c2118d8fae9b014c2ea0b110a5358ffd98eaa4cdaf80389a62c9aef4c2c&
82194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T15:10:28.8190000-05:00the "drive away more teachers" is an issue created by the same group that thinks they will get banned for speaking up
83263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-20T15:11:25.2120000-05:00I did the Multicam classes and checkout for a LONG time for free, but I also got burned the f*** out and therefore don't blame Chris too much for charging 🙂
84194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T15:12:19.3120000-05:00thats why i suggested scheduling them and getting honorarium for it
85194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T15:12:57.3190000-05:00or we need a new way to do it. since clearly it burns people out
86263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-20T15:15:25.2430000-05:00and to be clear, I got burned out longer ago than "last year" 🙂
87194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T15:15:31.7270000-05:00right
88194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T15:15:44.6100000-05:00last year was blue flu
89194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T15:16:06.1810000-05:00because REEEE I CANT PAY MY RENT WITH THIS
90488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T15:34:52.8910000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/690659651888349244/tenor.png?ex=67b98c2c&is=67b83aac&hm=3fb13c009f9c2618c41452aa94463b290cc5d2a84233cbcfb72688ffcc3f5259&
91300300278903734282mell.jpg2020-03-20T15:37:06.7070000-05:00But I wonder @Kentamanos would getting honorarium for it have helped you not get burnt out?
92263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-20T15:38:42.9510000-05:00I don't think so, was just a lot of work (especially the checkout part).
93188482200658903040skyspook2020-03-20T15:40:49.1500000-05:00Man, I kinda wanted to see what would happen if I started teaching those classes for free and crashing the market...👆 (1),👏 (1)
94194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T15:41:34.6610000-05:00Go for it
95540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T15:41:52.3680000-05:00Kevin's argument centers on the idea that 'if x doesn't teach it, no one will' which is just flat wrong
96540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T15:42:11.9380000-05:00If Chris is burnt out, new people can step in
97334393967015755776agr00902020-03-20T15:42:36.7150000-05:00Other part of formula is if members cant get training they quit quickly
98194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T15:42:40.3440000-05:00I think a lot of people saw that some members were making rent by teaching and didn't want to "take food off their plate" by teaching and reducing their take
99188482200658903040skyspook2020-03-20T15:43:04.1620000-05:00Yep, I'll admit I was hesistant to mess around with folks
100540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T15:43:05.1470000-05:00I've had a half dozen people ask me about teaching laser, 3 of them specifically to undercut Gorman👏 (1)
101188482200658903040skyspook2020-03-20T15:43:19.8330000-05:00That's pretty awesome
102540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T15:44:12.8930000-05:00I can't wait to open back up and get them trained
103540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T15:44:40.4310000-05:00(trained in teaching the class)
104188482200658903040skyspook2020-03-20T15:46:12.0240000-05:00I'm looking forward to it
105306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T15:46:24.9960000-05:00Nice. Lol. I have seriously considered putting effort into learning certain machines just to teach for free.
106488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T15:50:20.9960000-05:00@michaelb thats hilarious
107540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T15:51:59.3830000-05:00I mean, Nick can make a living with a CNC, so he can get away with the whole 'pay me to teach you' line
108540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T15:52:57.8870000-05:00But ain't nobody around who thinks Gorman has $60/hour worth of laser experience. ($20/student, 5 students/class, 1.5 hours/class)
109306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T15:53:22.4540000-05:00Except Gorman and maybe Holly.
110547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-20T16:25:24.0560000-05:00There's a large swath if DMS for whom the presence or anmbsence of honorarium plays no major factor in their motivation to not teach
111300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-20T16:34:10.1510000-05:00I've said it before, and I'll say it again: despite what some of us think, most of us are “nice people” who do not want to step on toes, or, less nicely considered, “horn in someone else’s territory”.
112300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-20T16:34:30.7670000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/new-pay-to-play-model/68319/98?u=jast
113300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-20T16:35:03.3270000-05:00teachers tend to fill perceived demand/shortfalls.
114262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T16:37:49.7380000-05:00Good teachers should teach .. I promote good teachers 🙂
115306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T17:03:12.4200000-05:00Omg trying to refrain from telling off CeramicCAP.
116306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T17:03:55.2500000-05:00Thanks Freddy. I can always count on you. Lol
117557587172270538753rayearth422020-03-20T17:08:41.7720000-05:00lol
118545650746838745089lavarocks.2020-03-20T17:54:07.7430000-05:00My argument was always that chairs teaching and regulars were scaring away new blood. I had several people tell me they offered to teach woodshop and were ignored. This is counter to what Mark was saying that they couldn't get teachers. Same with 3d fab. I was told by multiple people they felt like they weren't allowed to teach it. We want diversity in education, not monopolies.👍 (1),👏 (1)
119300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-20T17:56:29.6670000-05:00chairs and regulars really SHOULD be working to recruit, train, and assist MOAR teachers...
120300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-20T17:56:36.4590000-05:00(says the guy who does jack shit on all those)
121194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T17:58:25.0330000-05:00i could probably get cleared by my boss to teach classes for the polyprinters, i have no reason to think he would say otherwise. i just hate teaching to people who wont listen and are just there to get the certification
122262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T17:58:25.9110000-05:00Diversity as long as they are a good teachers .. I think perhaps there needs to be a training period and a way to rate teachers .. then let them teach ,,, especially for safety courses
123188482200658903040skyspook2020-03-20T18:00:24.6960000-05:00Paul was very open to having me help teach in woodshop, which made me happy.
124194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T18:01:28.9420000-05:00paul is awesome i just wish this pandemic hadnt ruined his time to shine👍 (1)
125188482200658903040skyspook2020-03-20T18:12:05.4670000-05:00I know. It's inconvenient in multiple ways
126188482200658903040skyspook2020-03-20T18:12:21.6080000-05:00Scary in others.
127262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T18:15:44.3740000-05:00In response to a reporter asking Trump what he would say to people that are scared, “I say that you’re a terrible reporter, that’s what I say.”
128194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T18:16:16.7090000-05:00dude that whole meeting was a clusterfuck
129194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T18:16:39.2700000-05:00and you can see how uncomfortable the doctor is that they are standing so close together👆 (1)
130262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T18:17:38.9000000-05:00yup I thought about that .... I stopped watching the entire briefings .. I tend to go with local reporting rather than all that
131262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T18:18:20.7870000-05:00Trump had a good chance to try and at least find a way to comfort people but I don't think he has empaty
132488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T18:18:39.2430000-05:00lol
133488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T18:18:45.3340000-05:00how would you know this?
134488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T18:19:03.8670000-05:00also, there are MANY MANY things he has done that show he has empathy....🙃 (1)
135488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T18:19:13.1470000-05:00just not for stupid reporters
136262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T18:19:58.2940000-05:00Oh no doubt he has done some good things
137262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T18:20:10.5740000-05:00I'm not a Trump basher
138488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T18:20:25.2550000-05:00lol and yet ^^^
139262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T18:20:29.1630000-05:00he just lost an opportunity by jumping on a reporter
140547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-20T18:56:14.8600000-05:00complaining about the media won't get you far as a politician
141547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-20T19:03:20.6030000-05:00however, it would be nice if covid-19 were more of a unifying thing than yet another thing to fight over
142547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-20T19:06:06.5380000-05:00regardless of its low lethality, this is going to do a number on the economy over a long period of time
143262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T19:08:41.8660000-05:00@ESmith ... I agree ... I hope so too
144547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-20T19:15:00.9190000-05:00the stimulus package I'm hearing about is ... weird. there's an uncanny valley. low and high ends see reduced benefit and no benefit respectively. on the high end, upper-end earners likely don't need the stimulus, but reducing the benefit to the lower end is baffling since they need it and will almost certainly spend it all relatively quickly, and *velocity of money* being what it is, is likely to greatly benefit the economy.
145547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-20T19:17:04.0960000-05:00however I gather much of this is on the Senate, which tinkered with the Bush administration's flat payments
146194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T19:17:29.5610000-05:00so i read it as a tax rebate more that stimulus
147547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-20T19:17:55.4300000-05:00there's a means test of sorts - I gather it's based on 2018 tax returns
148194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T19:18:13.7470000-05:00and they appear to be trying to say that people who havent been paying taxes wouldnt be getting anything back
149194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T19:18:51.6160000-05:00which is why people on disability would only get $600 instead of $1200
150547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-20T19:18:52.4670000-05:00yeah, total cutoff if you're at <$2500 or somesuch
151194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T19:19:22.7900000-05:00the cut off is the same number as when you dont have to pay taxes or some such
152194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T19:19:30.5160000-05:00low end cut off*
153540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T20:25:46.5830000-05:00Regarding teachers, it seems like the issue is that no one knows how to start teaching. Like I said before plenty of offers to teach laser and the leader is always 'hey how do I get approved to teach the lasers'
154371416661040955403talkers2020-03-20T20:26:17.4700000-05:00I've taught more than a dozen to teach lasers
155540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T20:26:21.2590000-05:00I think we'd see more teachers if we just made it more obvious how to teach. Not that everyone will follow through but some will
156371416661040955403talkers2020-03-20T20:26:37.6140000-05:00And more for everything else.
157371416661040955403talkers2020-03-20T20:26:50.8850000-05:00I've shared my curriculum for those classes too
158371416661040955403talkers2020-03-20T20:27:16.9370000-05:00I even taught classes on how to teach at the MakerSpace
159371416661040955403talkers2020-03-20T20:28:03.7150000-05:00Someone posted last week about teaching laser. I offered to mentor them. We even chatted offline about it.
160371416661040955403talkers2020-03-20T20:28:42.8760000-05:00It's key to keep encouraging people to teach
161540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T20:29:53.0300000-05:00It's good to get new people to teach, so when people get burnt out there are new teachers to replace them.
162540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T20:30:19.2330000-05:00Otherwise we get teachers who have been around for years and demand payment for the privilege of gracing us with their classes
163371416661040955403talkers2020-03-20T20:31:08.1610000-05:00Plus different people have different perspectives and experiences on how to do things. I would enroll or audit a lot of people on subjects I taught to learn from them
164371416661040955403talkers2020-03-20T20:31:31.0200000-05:00Lol, "gracing us".
165540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T20:33:10.0520000-05:00Right? I don't understand it. I would rather people stop teaching when they're burnt out. Take a break, maybe get back to making. But showing up to meetings and continuously arguing that they be paid because they've 'taught for so many years' is crazy.
166540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T20:34:16.9340000-05:00It's almost as if those people feel entitled to teach, and that the space has to change to accommodate what they want, which is just wrong.👏 (4)
167488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T21:02:59.8800000-05:00@michaelb I think @john a gorman doesn't wanna comment on this. It might have hit too close to home....☝️ (1)
168262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T21:07:19.9810000-05:00tenure?
169194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T21:15:20.2760000-05:00thats the one
170306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T21:25:24.8550000-05:00Man someone needs to get ceramiccap posting in here.
171488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T21:25:32.6850000-05:00lol no
172488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T21:25:38.3280000-05:00better watch out
173488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T21:25:44.8220000-05:00he will pm you and say weird stuff
174306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T21:27:19.6210000-05:00Dude it’s kind of entertaining.
175371416661040955403talkers2020-03-20T21:27:55.4460000-05:00@yashsedai the assumptions are not correct. Debate won't fix that. Best source is talking to the members that take my classes. Usually, it's not just one. Often 3+, sometimes 10+. I build strong relationships with them.
176306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T21:27:58.3530000-05:00Plus you can always put him on ignore.
177488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T21:28:53.3250000-05:00and yet you feel entitled to fleece the new comers of their $20.00
178371416661040955403talkers2020-03-20T21:29:21.3750000-05:00Entitled?
179488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T21:29:25.3480000-05:00yes entitled
180306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T21:29:28.1360000-05:00Um it’s 19.99
181488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T21:29:47.1790000-05:00also you felt entitled to teach people a machine that had no curriculum all in the name of profit?
182488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-20T21:30:33.3100000-05:00you are right @SewingStuff it was $19.99
183262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T21:31:56.0030000-05:00Then what I suggest is building up teachers that are willing to take honorarium or do it for free. There is no limit on the number of instructors as far as I'm aware. If you get enough people teaching for free, people will not pay $19.99 .. this is better than debating or creating rules
184262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T21:31:58.3370000-05:00IMO
185547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-20T21:32:11.4600000-05:00Can't say I learned anything when I took your laser class
186194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T21:32:29.3150000-05:00^ that message gets sent to me by many people
187306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T21:32:36.6590000-05:00But I’ve heard that paid teachers tend to chase off the ones who are willing to teach for free because they’re kind of territorial.
188262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T21:33:08.5710000-05:00Then work on that problem @SewingStuff ... different issue
189547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-20T21:33:42.9570000-05:00But I got added to the AD groups so that was that
190194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T21:34:03.7350000-05:00draco, the new agenda item is to work on that
191306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T21:34:05.6870000-05:00Also, just searching, I found out you can buy a whole CASE of Miller High Life for 17.48 around here, but they are sadly out of stock. So for a five person class, you could buy 90 bottles almost!🤣 (1)
192540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T21:34:59.2630000-05:00@SewingStuff they can be. Some of the paid laser teachers tell members that they can only be approved to teach by following their class and then having that teacher watch the members first class as well.
193540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T21:35:19.8320000-05:00Basically, they're implying that the only way to teach is to cooperate with them and do it their way. Which isn't true.
194262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T21:36:34.9120000-05:00Then notify people of that .. show them the committee approved course outline .. have a teach the teacher class
195540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T21:39:15.9850000-05:00That's exactly what happened, so I don't see your point? Just because a situation has been handled doesn't mean I can't complain about it.
196262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T21:39:30.0300000-05:00😉
197262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-20T21:39:49.7820000-05:00Good then it's settled 🙂
198547307573175517214agvet2020-03-20T22:17:40.9650000-05:00Is that ceramiccap guy even real? Has anyone actually met him?
199194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T22:18:05.0500000-05:00yeah hes as insane in person
200194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-20T22:18:12.1750000-05:00but a little nicer
201306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T22:21:52.4460000-05:00Agvet are you a veteran or veterinarian or both?
202300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-20T22:33:10.3430000-05:00(not to answer for him, but he's revealed on Talk before that he's a veterinarian ; don't know about the veteran part)
203306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T22:35:13.8610000-05:00Both would be cool!
204306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-20T22:36:12.6340000-05:00I’m an avid overuser of veterinary services. Like one of my dogs gets allergy drops and another has nightly blood pressure meds. Lol
205343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-20T22:45:24.5140000-05:00If that is who i think it is in person hes quite awkward and a bit timid... but i may have him confused with someone else
206316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-20T22:50:50.6230000-05:00@Draco as one of those teachers, some committees like woodshop have historically been hostile to us
207316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-20T22:51:32.3030000-05:00and to members that aren't part of their "special" woodworkers (yes, former chair called themselves a special group and the general members of DMS who need basic wood tool usage could fend for themselves)
208316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-20T22:52:23.7980000-05:00the coursework there is structured to deter teachers that aren't full on woodworking down to finishing detail, preventing a basics for things like members that just need to rip some boards for the lasers, miter some wood for a frame in the workshop, and drill some holes
209547307573175517214agvet2020-03-20T22:53:19.9490000-05:00@SewingStuff I'm a veterinarian, not a veteran. In person I started to make sure to say 'veterinarian' in response to people asking what I do because I've been thanked for my service more than once on accident.
210540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T22:57:04.9850000-05:00Large animal vet?
211540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-20T22:57:27.9150000-05:00Or am I reading too much into the 'Ag' prefix
212529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-21T00:49:20.6600000-05:00Or he is an Aggie.
213547307573175517214agvet2020-03-21T01:38:32.5150000-05:00Aggie indeed. Small animal vet. Was going to do large animal but the money's in small.
214300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-03-21T08:16:27.5400000-05:00Always very impressed with veterinarians, so much more knowledge required vs. a doctor.
215547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-21T13:23:11.6410000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/690988899362930729/Screenshot_20200321-123212.png?ex=67b96d4f&is=67b81bcf&hm=16c06ac46be5824052c61e9daabbda74cfcb4b3526ad7943378e5c4f37f08765&
216557587172270538753rayearth422020-03-21T14:04:46.7110000-05:00lol
217557587172270538753rayearth422020-03-21T14:06:49.0980000-05:00https://babylonbee.com/news/new-version-of-operation-just-has-players-use-essential-oils-instead-of-performing-a-medical-procedure
218189645236908064768themitch222020-03-21T16:49:03.3710000-05:00They should have a modern laparoscopic version of Operation where you use a wire through a straw to pick up pieces.
219529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-21T17:00:33.4810000-05:00Or a robotic version where you are in the next room.
220547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-21T17:26:32.0290000-05:00... with multiple-choice lag on the response time
221540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-21T17:42:20.0080000-05:00A few articles online talk about inconsistent lag in telesurgery but none of their experiments were detectable by surgeons.
222540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-21T17:43:16.5640000-05:00The FL to TX connection was 30-150ms and allegedly proved not a problem. I guess surgeons are just moving much slower than pro gamers.
223300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-21T18:32:33.3370000-05:00geezis. I HOPE my surgeon is moving slower than ME playing a game (and I'm no gamer!)
224371416661040955403talkers2020-03-21T18:54:43.4500000-05:00@A. Spencer(jast) you sure you aren't a gamer? It's an excuse Jen used for you not being at the space more. PS 4 iirc🤨 (1)
225300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-21T18:57:30.6780000-05:00I'm certain I am not a gamer. I have the reaction times and eye-hand coordination of a fence post. I'm less sure if Jen told anyone that's why I wasn't at the space more...
226194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-21T18:57:30.9270000-05:00Busted
227371416661040955403talkers2020-03-21T18:58:15.1570000-05:00Fence posts have a right to play too
228371416661040955403talkers2020-03-21T18:58:25.2920000-05:00Wait, is that a thing?
229300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-21T18:58:35.4460000-05:00oh sure. We can play. But we can't call ourselves "gamers".
230262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T19:01:05.6740000-05:00I loved the Portal games and humorous games .. but then I found Minecraft .. they even have fence posts in the game!
231262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T19:01:31.3730000-05:00and you can make stuff
232300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-21T19:02:19.5460000-05:00I lasted about an hour in Minecraft. Got pissed, walked away, deleted that crap and never been back. Buy my 8 year old nieces used to love it...
233194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-21T19:02:42.1870000-05:00someone here could spin up a minecraft server
234194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-21T19:02:57.9270000-05:00skyfactory is a fun mod
235262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T19:03:02.1050000-05:00I've never been online with minecraft .. just single player
236194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-21T19:03:02.9590000-05:00or galacticraft
237262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T19:03:19.7800000-05:00but sounds like an interesting idea
238262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T19:04:21.4470000-05:00I'm hoping to build my skills to the point that I can get on 2b2t
239262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T19:05:02.6100000-05:00and survive it
240540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-21T19:15:15.0950000-05:00Skyfactory mod is fun but factorio is the endgame there.
241306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-21T21:50:12.6800000-05:00Omg people on Talk lately about covid.
242262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:08:47.4310000-05:00hmmm Freddy, Allen, ceramicCAP, Cairenn and Paul on the board ... hmm... run away
243262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:08:55.8910000-05:00((explosion))
244306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-21T22:10:55.8230000-05:00Which Paul?
245262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:11:02.2470000-05:00Printmaking
246262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:11:13.7180000-05:00sorry
247306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-21T22:11:21.3770000-05:00Freddy and Allen and Paul would be fine. They’re all pretty sensible.
248262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:11:57.8580000-05:00I don't know ... Allen has some ideas that are rather controversial
249262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:12:07.4270000-05:00like making his DMS email public
250262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:12:18.8030000-05:00while being a board member
251306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-21T22:12:46.0150000-05:00Allen is at least committed to transparency and he’s not an idiot. He and Freddy and Paul are all super competent.
252262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:13:52.2360000-05:00Paul is solid but has a temper .. Freddy is very smart but also is highly opinionated
253262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:14:06.5810000-05:00Allen .. no one quite knows exactly what he is up to
254262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:14:52.3540000-05:00He is famous for his non-answers
255262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:17:55.8720000-05:00Are you going to run @SewingStuff ?
256306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-21T22:18:21.1370000-05:00I’d rather pluck out my own eyeballs.
257262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:18:43.9920000-05:00lol .. yeeeahh .. that seems to be a common theme unfortunately
258262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:19:00.2860000-05:00Well, at least we have an abundance of Patricks
259306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-21T22:19:38.1590000-05:00I’m also generally working two jobs, both of which are highly stressful, so I have no tolerance for absurdity in my personal life.
260262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:19:49.2210000-05:00*nods* .. understandable
261262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:19:57.2090000-05:00it is almost a full time job
262262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:20:07.5240000-05:00at times it is
263262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:22:33.3360000-05:00I hope at some point we can move to staggard 2 year terms of 9
264262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-21T22:22:55.7260000-05:00This way there is no past board
265547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-22T10:29:27.7150000-05:00*Running for Board: **not it***
266540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-22T12:09:07.0470000-05:00Running from the board however...
267547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-22T13:36:43.3480000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/691354692130963476/unknown.png?ex=67b9707b&is=67b81efb&hm=cef2471c610a80b3c0e5bca00ce8d61c12dc4ae6d0a33ad4402413e49e4e632d&
268306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-22T13:37:59.6170000-05:00But you’re missing out on such luminaries as ceramiccap and Russel Crowe!
269540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-22T13:40:04.3860000-05:00I did that days ago, and I'm supposed to be one of the people stopping them from tearing each other apart...
270194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-22T13:40:26.4560000-05:00its off topic
271540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-22T13:41:08.6250000-05:00Lightly moderated, but still moderated.
272306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-22T13:44:30.5010000-05:00Hey I wanted to start a new topic called crazypants rambling but I was told that may be incendiary
273115183069555589125aceat642020-03-22T18:04:49.1370000-05:00so now that there's a SIP order for Dallas county, will that stop the small handful of people complaining about DMS shutting down being "an overly broad reading of the law"? 🤣
274115183069555589125aceat642020-03-22T18:05:23.2700000-05:00DMS for sure doesn't fall under the "essential business" category
275334393967015755776agr00902020-03-22T18:08:14.8410000-05:00Link to order?
276115183069555589125aceat642020-03-22T18:08:20.7810000-05:00https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/dallas-county-to-give-update-on-covid-19-restrictions/2336502/
277115183069555589125aceat642020-03-22T18:08:27.3380000-05:00it's at the bottom
278306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-22T18:17:15.3600000-05:00Those two guys have stfu anyway.
279316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-22T18:20:46.3820000-05:00I've got my eye on them now, and one of them was already given a warning and temp silence
280306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-22T18:25:42.4350000-05:00Dude there were two pitching a fit and two posting all kinds of crazy talk. While I appreciate the distraction of having to hide their posts all damn day, I am glad they’ve cooled down.
281570472690541002764hardsuit2020-03-23T20:03:32.1820000-05:00Errr, why's my name coming up for Board? I ain't running.
282306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-23T20:04:13.6970000-05:00Dude I wish you were. You’re competent and you won’t run the space into the ground which is more than I can say for several people running.
283570472690541002764hardsuit2020-03-23T20:05:07.5130000-05:00Yeah, but the temper thing is a valid observation
284570472690541002764hardsuit2020-03-23T20:05:54.5840000-05:00Faaaar to many idiots to not have me snapping heads off left and right when I get pushed too far
285306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-23T20:06:21.5020000-05:00Yeah but I’d rather have you freaking out than some of those fools calmly smirking. There are a few good candidates, thank goodness but several who are just awful.
286570472690541002764hardsuit2020-03-23T20:08:29.0010000-05:00Agreed
287306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-23T20:10:33.9650000-05:00So maybe people are just engaging in wishful thinking.
288194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-23T20:13:28.8500000-05:00#givepaulasword
289540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-23T20:14:18.8660000-05:00Give Paul as word... Give Paula sword... Ohhhh give Paul a sword.
290263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-23T20:14:31.6600000-05:00and my axe?
291194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-23T20:14:35.3340000-05:00Hashtags are dumb as shit
292547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-23T20:44:51.1070000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/ask-the-candidates-2020-edition/70267
293194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-23T20:45:37.9680000-05:00Inb4 "will you bring back booze"
294115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T20:46:11.2130000-05:00"what is your stance on stealing?"
295194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-23T20:47:37.4860000-05:00"how many hours do I have to volunteer before I can take $100"
296115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T20:48:01.6730000-05:00I just want to know if it's cumulative, or if there's a decay function
297194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-23T20:48:55.7800000-05:00It's not comp score
298262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-23T20:51:51.3310000-05:00How many board members do I need to sue to satisfy my ego and get revenge?
299306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-23T20:51:57.5880000-05:00If I vote for you, can I also store my glowing stripper poles in committee areas or is that just for chairs?
300306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-23T20:52:32.0440000-05:00I know I’m not a member or anything but a constant shitposter, but how can you cater to my demographic?😛 (1)
301547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-23T20:56:06.6980000-05:00aw man if there's a decay function then my balance is down to zero
302115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T20:56:43.9210000-05:00that's my concern too, I wasted my opportunity to ~~steal~~borrow
303115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T20:57:47.6130000-05:00all I did was volunteer time and give money to DMS
304115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T20:57:49.3410000-05:00LIKE A SUCKER
305547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-23T20:58:14.9500000-05:00I dunno. More board terms so you've got more credit to boil off.
306115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T20:58:38.0430000-05:00I think I might still be the longest running board member
307115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T20:58:42.6350000-05:00need someone to break that record please
308115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T20:59:24.8920000-05:00oh wait, no
309115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T20:59:27.3170000-05:00Robert beat me!
310115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T20:59:30.8020000-05:006 terms
311547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-23T20:59:34.8000000-05:00aw snap
312194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-23T20:59:42.1490000-05:00There's got to be a bonus multiplier for consistent meetings with legible minutes
313547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-23T21:00:18.1740000-05:00I dunno man. I hear there's a trove of those things out there just waiting to be uncovered.🤣 (1)
314306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-23T21:00:32.7230000-05:00Minutes are for chumps when random sycophants have memories guys
315115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T21:00:56.9810000-05:00just remember, before you ~~steal~~borrow money, you have to ensure that you gut the finance team entirely and then make up a bunch of bullshit as to why they were really bad people
316547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-23T21:00:59.9490000-05:00inscribed on parchment with the finest calligraphy in crystal detail
317115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T21:01:28.2230000-05:00maybe try to frame a guy too while you're at it
318194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-23T21:01:34.9790000-05:00I also beat you in votes and then we nominated you president. Negating the assanine idea that the person with the most votes should be president
319194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-23T21:01:48.4390000-05:00I think people going with this idea got us in the most trouble
320115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T21:01:52.2250000-05:00don't worry, dipshits will defend your action if you make them feel more important than they ever actually were
321115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T21:02:35.3600000-05:00lol so many people told me that they liked me on the board and had nothing against me, they just figured I'd win anyway so they voted for others
322115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T21:02:51.2840000-05:00wish more of them had done it
323115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T21:02:57.5010000-05:00lol
324545650746838745089lavarocks.2020-03-23T21:03:33.1860000-05:00I wish you would run again
325115183069555589125aceat642020-03-23T21:03:55.5340000-05:00way too busy with work and other projects, even with the current situation
326188482200658903040skyspook2020-03-23T21:06:43.1510000-05:00You know what that means.
327188482200658903040skyspook2020-03-23T21:06:47.0180000-05:00aww
328547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-23T23:20:57.0520000-05:00Someone get Max to somehow affirm that SOI that he *didn't post*
329194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-23T23:22:29.1240000-05:00I'd tag him but he can't figure out how to keep the same discord account so it would be useless
330306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-23T23:22:40.8250000-05:00Oh geez.
331557587172270538753rayearth422020-03-23T23:29:24.5210000-05:00https://youtu.be/Rj_-qaqQQc8
332227585388544393219axeonos2020-03-24T00:09:00.2500000-05:00just talked to him. yeah hes in it- he asked gorman to put it on there.
333306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T00:13:14.2040000-05:00Maybe Gorman should run instead since he can actually use the wiki
334400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T00:18:37.3460000-05:00I think we have some good options for board members. I was worried there wouldn't be
335306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T00:21:14.3200000-05:00There are some awful options too.
336306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T00:21:47.7650000-05:00I’d rather give blood in the warehouse from Hostel than vote for some of those people.
337400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T00:22:16.9670000-05:00"we must never fall to the level of disrespecting each others views, beliefs, opinions, and decisions" You shouldn't respect all decisions. It's how you express that lack of respect that I think Curtis Baker may have been referring to. Not all decisions, opinions, views, etc deserve my respect.
338540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-24T00:22:18.4990000-05:00Exactly! I mean $my candidates$ are going to do great and I'm happy they're running. But $everyone else$ is just a shitshow waiting to happen.
339400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T00:22:53.2670000-05:00That may be a matter of definitions though
340400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T00:26:44.0960000-05:00I think Jim is a good option. I was pleasantly surprised by Freddy's SOI, specifically his commitment to improving his communication.
341194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T00:28:18.4320000-05:00while brash he has the spaces best interest at heart
342400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T00:30:25.1320000-05:00Personally I can tolerate it pretty well, but I know other people can't, and as a board member you have to deal with all kinds of people, where deal with includes listening, bringing out the best in them, being diplomatic. There is a balance between being diplomatic and having good ideas win, though.
343488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-24T00:33:33.2310000-05:00omg stop complementing me😆 (1),stab (1)
344306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T00:36:09.4930000-05:00You know the advantages some of the candidates have over others? Some of them have never been banned from DMS, stolen from DMS, used DMS committee areas for personal storage, and are functional adults.
345488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-24T00:37:55.7370000-05:00i find the pool of candidates most interesting
346194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T00:38:00.4670000-05:00most of them havent yelled at people for asking them to follow saftey protocol, threatened to ban people for asking them to act safely from a committee space they werent in
347263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-24T00:39:01.5580000-05:00this just in... https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Mark_Havens_Statement_of_Intent_2020
348306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T00:39:12.5180000-05:00Yeah I know.
349263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-24T00:39:20.9750000-05:00I saw his personal page and kept waiting for it
350306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T00:39:26.7940000-05:00Yup same here.
351400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T00:43:21.9320000-05:00So this will be the first election for which I'm eligible to vote. Does everyone just have to pick their top candidate and submit one vote? Doe we each get 5 votes?
352263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-24T00:44:06.8320000-05:00up to 5 votes👍 (1)
353400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T00:44:10.8270000-05:00What's Erik Smith's handle on here?
354263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-24T00:44:34.9910000-05:00(that is to say you can vote for only 4 if you want)
355263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-24T00:44:51.0350000-05:00(or 3..or...you get it...hehe)
356194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T00:44:53.1330000-05:00@ESmith
357306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T00:46:27.4250000-05:00I think he’s asleep. He gets up at 5.
358400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T00:46:34.8140000-05:00@ESmith Question #4 👏👏👏 yes. "DMS politics are contentious as of late - how do you intend to work with those with whom you disagree?" I think dealing with the divide is going to be a great challenge or at least a great opportunity
359306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T00:46:38.8410000-05:00I’m working late in the craft room so not sure. Lol
360400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T00:48:58.1370000-05:00I think leadership needs to focus as much as possible on makery things and less on politics. I think the current board, especially I think James, have done that very well, especially considering everyone's urge to tie everything back to us vs them
361300078993577607170merissa43082020-03-24T00:49:00.7340000-05:00..."as of late"?... Try always 😆
362400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T00:50:02.7180000-05:00I can imagine that hearing everyone talk about leadership drama may be offputting to new members
363194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T00:50:29.8440000-05:00thats not the board members fault though
364194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T00:50:37.4580000-05:00they cant go to the space without getting ambushed and bombarded with stupid questions
365400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T00:53:02.8930000-05:00I think it's often a useful strategy when you're negotiating with someone (e.g. over a policy decision), to try to agree to come down to what you can tolerate as opposed to what you really want
366334393967015755776agr00902020-03-24T00:59:14.0850000-05:00Not the best layout on the dense side, but can clearly see a patternhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/691888836539580476/graph.png?ex=67b967b1&is=67b81631&hm=f74c93f950f0e22f686f00dcdcf0c35ce0c1b390be7d3002a218c1b00d3f221f&🤓 (2),👍 (1),📈 (2)
367334393967015755776agr00902020-03-24T00:59:45.2810000-05:00Thats a graph of those running and the people nominating them from SOI
368334393967015755776agr00902020-03-24T01:00:52.4300000-05:00Would be completely separate if McCutheon hadn't nominated Patrick and Havens
369194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T01:01:02.1080000-05:00can always count on brandon to make a graph
370194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T01:01:36.3420000-05:00nominations also are functionally useless
371334393967015755776agr00902020-03-24T01:02:27.8470000-05:00yeah just thought it was interesting how many were listed on some and wanted to see the connections
372334393967015755776agr00902020-03-24T01:03:20.0900000-05:00The text that I pasted into https://csacademy.com/app/graph_editor/https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/691889871425372200/dms_2020_SOI_nomination_edges.txt?ex=67b968a8&is=67b81728&hm=43ca1c12ab66c18ade3bee30a867b1e6bb9510285791e19550f29a69e66f3ba0&👍 (1)
373306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T01:04:42.8360000-05:00Gorman was....generous....with nominations this year.
374262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-24T01:05:12.0560000-05:00Why is Gorman in two places @AGr .. are there two of them?
375262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-24T01:05:55.3040000-05:00He is in the center of the group on the left .. and on the top of the group on the right
376194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T01:06:30.7060000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/691890671115698196/unknown.png?ex=67b96966&is=67b817e6&hm=96044aa9b36232270ac93e6866f7935888f8c4b559a2506fa1c7ecb993417829&
377263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-24T01:07:02.6240000-05:00looks like one of his Gorman's has a space at the beginning
378334393967015755776agr00902020-03-24T01:07:08.0200000-05:00Might be others, was just pasting from wiki and not all names are normalizedhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/691890824996323348/graph_1.png?ex=67b9698b&is=67b8180b&hm=52efd8a75170bd2a5ab4f9c446f4f7137121790f4540674dddc8fbb663c409aa&👍 (1)
379263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-24T01:07:37.6880000-05:00somewhere he's pissed you didn't put it in all lowercase
380262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-24T01:08:42.8190000-05:00LOL 🤣 @Kentamanos
381306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T01:09:12.5070000-05:00Why does he do that anyway? e e cummings fan or something?
382263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-24T01:10:05.7630000-05:00I have to assume I asked him at some point, but I don't remember if I did 🙂
383400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T01:12:23.9110000-05:00Opinions on Curtis Baker?
384400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T01:14:11.7480000-05:00I can't put a face to his name but he's been a member since 2015
385263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-24T01:15:23.0730000-05:00not familiar with him personally, but I don't visit DMS as often as I used to
386306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T01:16:13.3380000-05:00I’ve heard positive things about him but I don’t know him.
387263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-24T01:18:09.6940000-05:00@DJ Vance his SOI has a Linkedin page with a picture if it helps
388400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T01:18:57.9420000-05:00The picture isn't loading for me, I think it may be private to connections only
389263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-24T01:19:36.8930000-05:00Worked for me in incognito mode
390263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-24T01:20:15.6080000-05:00weird...maybe not
391227585388544393219axeonos2020-03-24T01:20:38.1500000-05:00Who ever wins the 2020 board of elections... may whatever deity you believe in have mercy on you.dms (3)
392306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T01:32:50.5850000-05:00Hahaha burn him up Raffi
393400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T01:33:35.7310000-05:00And I've spent a lot of time with him in Digital Media
394343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-24T01:35:10.2510000-05:00> Might be others, was just pasting from wiki and not all names are normalized @AGr This is really interesting. Almost 2 separate groups save for 2 cross overs (so far)
395306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T01:36:19.6970000-05:00I just know him as the dude who keeps trying to store stripper poles all over DMS without permission and the guy who is so into himself he keeps posting pictures and commenting on his own hair.
396262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-24T01:40:20.1270000-05:00I did say there was another group ... 😉
397262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-24T01:41:30.6170000-05:00I hope we can bring them together
398400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T01:43:00.5680000-05:00Kevin and I used to be cool with each other. I overlooked his overbearing nature because it seemed like he was being proactive with Digital Media and he seemed to be getting a lot done in general. There's a specific instance where he argued against me vigorously without understanding what I was saying. It was about epistemology, which is the study of the nature of knowledge in philosophy, and he was arguing that automata theory proved that we can know things. And I kept telling him he should attack my definition of knowledge, but he just kept giving vague descriptions about concepts in automata theory and ultimately copped out by saying it was too complicated to explain if i remember correctly. And then on a separate instance he condescended to me by saying that "don't know computer science". That was the last straw for me. I pretty much just left after that and haven't associated with him since.
399400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T01:57:39.4660000-05:00Wow. I really like Max's SOI
400306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T02:00:17.2810000-05:00I wasn’t impressed.
401306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T02:04:18.9190000-05:00Max isn’t a functional adult. I don’t trust him to run a coffee maker much less a Makerspace.
402189645236908064768themitch222020-03-24T02:05:19.3060000-05:00That nomination graph is interesting
403189645236908064768themitch222020-03-24T02:07:32.1660000-05:00someone has a personal issue with everyone running, good luck future board.
404306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T02:09:02.3780000-05:00I hate everyone and I like several people running and will vote for them.
405400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T02:11:21.1240000-05:00"Max isn’t a functional adult. I don’t trust him to run a coffee maker much less a Makerspace." example?
406306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T02:12:43.7490000-05:00He steals laser time, you can smell him before you see him, his excuse for not paying for laser time was that some roommate of his was the one who paid for it, he’s constantly starting the dumbest drama about things like sitting in his chair, and I can go on if you’d like.
407189645236908064768themitch222020-03-24T02:13:39.3900000-05:00I disassociated from 3D fab as much as possible
408400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T02:13:40.5210000-05:00Interesting. I've had very little interaction with him. Mostly just saw him show up and speak at board meetings.
409306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T02:14:54.1270000-05:00That’s a shame Mitch because you and Axey were both competent and I miss that.
410194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T02:15:04.4590000-05:00hes been banned for not payign for laser time previously
411194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T02:15:12.6030000-05:00and seems to have not learned his lesson
412189645236908064768themitch222020-03-24T02:21:41.9500000-05:00competent people know when to walk away
413400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T02:22:05.6510000-05:00hmm
414388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-24T02:22:57.1110000-05:00Re the graph... I think folks misconstrue nominating and voting. I don't see 2 camps at all, but I think there str probably 4-6 "factions" for lack of a better term
415189645236908064768themitch222020-03-24T02:23:02.4380000-05:00really not much 3D fab can do besides keep things running, $1200ish worth of broken form 2's and a next engine also is a turn off
416189645236908064768themitch222020-03-24T02:23:15.4800000-05:00$12000
417194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T02:23:29.5350000-05:00actually
418194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T02:23:41.8780000-05:00they could fucking train better
419189645236908064768themitch222020-03-24T02:24:01.5380000-05:00my outdated online class is still used?
420194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T02:24:03.3520000-05:00instead of listing as many snippets of classes as possible to get honorarium
421400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T02:24:33.5680000-05:00Oh that's right, I went to a 3d fab training with Max early last year
422400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-24T02:25:06.3410000-05:00I felt like it could have been explained better, slowed down, has exercises for people to do
423388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-24T02:25:42.3220000-05:00Luke's 2 that audited were very good intros
424194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T02:29:14.4650000-05:00im going to do a polyprinter training
425194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T02:29:23.3070000-05:00(the ones i do for a living)
426194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T02:29:34.1450000-05:00they take 90 mins and cover all filaments
427194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T02:29:54.8690000-05:00not a separate class for pla and then ninjaflex
428306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T02:36:30.8600000-05:00Man today was a disappointing Makerspace day.
429547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-24T06:40:23.0360000-05:00@DJ Vance can vote for up to as many seats as there are on the board, so zero to five👍 (1)
430300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-03-24T08:52:39.3350000-05:00From Joe Kings SOI: ``` I do not feel that it is the Boards position to micro-manage. The Board needs to be focused on the ‘big picture’ of growing the space, make good fiscal decisions, plan/adhere to a budget, and support expansion.``` Yep we tried to do that yet we have to spend way too much time with troublesome members like himself.
431300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-03-24T08:52:53.3850000-05:00I'd rather vote for his boat.👍 (1)
432529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-24T09:58:04.3170000-05:00Something for Kevin to do in winter: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/what-is-a-hair-freezing-contest?utm_source=Atlas+Obscura+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=7311da4762-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2020_03_24&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_f36db9c480-7311da4762-62961857&mc_cid=7311da4762&mc_eid=c5fbf6f992
433262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-24T11:34:22.7520000-05:00Where is Allen's SoI?
434343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-24T11:58:45.8110000-05:00Dont see one... from my understanding historical he has run rather frequently. I think to just make a point about certain things.
435529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-24T12:28:52.7030000-05:00Just read Max's TALK post about his candidacy. I had to chuckle at his statement about working on the family farm on weekends.
436529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-24T12:31:46.1200000-05:00Back when I was a (relatively) new member, I took two back-to-back classes, one on making silicone molds and one on resin casting. Both turned out to be the exact same thing. (???) At some point, I asked why he was wearing the suit jacket, while doing an activity considered rather messy. He replied that he had found that if he showed up at the farm wearing a sportcoat or suit jacket, he was less likely to be expected to do manual labor. Although his dad did press him into involuntary service anyway from time to time.
437306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T12:33:47.0590000-05:00I can’t believe some of those people are serious. They can barely run to the store much less run a Makerspace
438300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-24T12:40:02.5580000-05:00FWIW, you can wiki search "Statement of Intent Allen Wan" and get this back, (but it's more fun if we just say "Allen runs EVERY year", roll our eyes, walk away, and wait to see if it goads him into it again...https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/692065201511465010/unknown.png?ex=67b96331&is=67b811b1&hm=3b5d631c9173bcb89cad72d236d6d638065500c44640e7b6f01f5f6aac85265d&
439306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T12:41:55.9420000-05:00Hey it’s wishful thinking on my part. Allen is a lot of things, but he’s super competent and I trust him not to steal from the space.👍 (5)
440540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-24T12:54:24.0160000-05:00He told me he 'was hoping not to run this year' so he'll probably end up waiting till the last minute.
441547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-24T13:09:41.8390000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/2020-annual-meeting-elections-info/68873/11
442343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-24T13:20:43.2300000-05:00> I'd rather vote for his boat. @Lampy (Ken Purcell) could we put in a SOI for the boat?patrickdab (1)
443306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T13:22:27.0590000-05:00I might. I was thinking of putting one in for my cat.
444547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-24T13:28:29.7020000-05:00for discussion : https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/emergency-item-2020-03-24-postpone-2020-election/70308
445194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T13:28:30.9570000-05:00I guess the lack of parking is coming back with these guys
446547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-24T13:51:38.4480000-05:00Denton County shelter-in-place : https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/dentonrc.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/4/a5/4a5e5408-381e-5a2f-bd63-aea0fd57ebb9/5e7a4db61229f.pdf.pdf
447488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-24T13:57:21.0250000-05:00mmmm
448262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-24T14:35:27.2870000-05:00Collin county is less restrictive ... ``` The intent of this Order is to protect the physical health and well-being of Collin County citizens, to protect the financial health and well-being of Collin County citizens, and to slow the spread of COVID-19 to the maximum extent possible while safeguarding the Constitutional liberties of Collin County citizens by utilizing the least restrictive means possible and encouraging the highest level of personal responsibility. ```
449262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-24T14:36:18.6130000-05:00https://www.scribd.com/document/453054525/Collin-County-Executive-Order
450540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-24T14:38:12.7100000-05:00Denton is a copy paste of Dallas I believe
451306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T16:59:04.3140000-05:00I don’t think Max thought this through
452263153628141977603kentamanos2020-03-24T16:59:23.8910000-05:00I don't think he thinks he ever did anything wrong
453194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T17:02:44.3210000-05:00"It was just $20 that I didn't pay, not $70"
454540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-24T17:05:25.1760000-05:00I wouldn't be surprised if he really believes what he did is good.
455306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T17:05:41.6840000-05:00@michaelb how much laser time can I steal I mean use for each tour I bring in?🤔 (1)
456540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-24T17:06:23.3380000-05:00However much I say you can use in advance!
457540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-24T17:06:48.1480000-05:00Which is 0!
458540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-24T17:07:52.4130000-05:00Honestly I'm not opposed to handing out trinkets or something during tours but the idea of 'showing off' by making things for people and trying to pass it off as PR....
459306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T17:08:30.5860000-05:00But like I don’t want to ask you or anything. I just want to use it and take it to cons and keep what I’ve made afterwards.
460540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-24T17:12:16.6690000-05:00Well that just sounds like stealing with extra steps.dms (2)
461306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T17:13:18.0140000-05:00Yeah but I’m totally going to show it off at a Con and get one whole person to take a tour.
462194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-24T17:13:34.5520000-05:00And get free tickets to the con
463306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T17:14:09.4790000-05:00Yeah I mean of course. I deserve them and I totally got one whole person from a crowded con to take a tour so that excuses all of my prior actions.
464540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-24T17:15:52.5200000-05:00That thread is like the Energizer bunny... It just keeps going and going🐇 (1)
465385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-24T17:16:38.5520000-05:00I'm curious about the comped benefits he gets during conventions. Posted a question
466540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-24T17:19:00.4130000-05:00Lol I was all bothered that engraving concepts sent me a box of brownies after we bought the laser clearly there were bigger issues to worry about.
467306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T17:32:56.6180000-05:00Everyone dunking on Max has warmed my heart. I’m even proud of Patrick for sticking to his guns.
468540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-24T17:33:21.1050000-05:00I came here to say the same this thread is so entertaining
469306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T17:36:43.9110000-05:00Omg there’s a clown emoji
470547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-24T17:49:53.8100000-05:00add enough steps and ~~it's not stealing~~ *you obfuscate the trail to the point that no one can track it*
471306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T18:07:33.6160000-05:00I have so many regrets. I have been severely underutilizing the clown emoji😂 (2)
472115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T18:19:52.7540000-05:00it's interesting to me that some candidates aren't responding to Marshall's very simple poll
473115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T18:20:50.6240000-05:00I wonder how many are willing to accept the direct, personal liability of allowing someone back who defrauded the organization and put it at risk of losing it's non-profit status...
474115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T18:21:04.1270000-05:00D&O won't cover that sort of thing
475306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T18:21:27.7760000-05:00I’m concerned that we’re getting distracted from some of the other terrible candidates by dunking on Max.
476540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-24T18:24:49.1670000-05:00But he makes it so freaking easy. He just admits to the stuff because he thinks he's doing a good thing.
477306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-24T18:25:49.5280000-05:00It HAS been entertaining but I’m concerned that others are feeling neglected.
478479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-24T18:29:34.6390000-05:00@aceat64 I wasn’t aware of a poll up. And to @SewingStuff Max messaged me to jump onto the thread but I exclaimed I was going to be honest about it.
479300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-03-24T18:31:23.4220000-05:00it was definitely ~$70ish
480115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T18:31:37.1580000-05:00@Patrickpleez1 I talked with you before, I think I know which way you'll vote on it 🤣
481115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T18:32:14.4130000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/ask-the-candidates-2020-edition/70267/5
482115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T18:32:20.1960000-05:00this is what we're referring to btw
483115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T19:02:58.4000000-05:00thanks for weighing in Patrick 🙂
484115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T19:03:10.0660000-05:00I saw you've voted in the poll now
485479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-24T19:17:48.3280000-05:00@aceat64 this is the most I’ve used talk. Lol I just learned how to quote today. I like that feature.
486115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T19:21:24.6780000-05:00there's an awesome tutorial thing now, try sending the user discobot a message with `@discobot start new user`
487479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-24T19:23:30.1740000-05:00On talk or here?
488115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T19:23:46.6480000-05:00on talk
489115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T19:23:57.0460000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/u/discobot/summary
490388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-24T20:35:32.6130000-05:00on discord its mee6
491388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-24T20:35:35.7890000-05:00or something like that
492115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T20:42:51.0230000-05:00that's just a popular discord bot
493115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T20:42:59.4120000-05:00discobot is actually built-in to Discourse/Talk
494115183069555589125aceat642020-03-24T20:43:13.2010000-05:00new accounts automatically get a PM from it with info on how to start the tutorial
495570472690541002764hardsuit2020-03-24T23:18:42.2280000-05:00Weee. NOT
496570472690541002764hardsuit2020-03-24T23:19:53.8140000-05:00Draco just asked for me to nominate a couple BoD candidates
497488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-24T23:22:13.0430000-05:00oh?
498488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-24T23:22:25.1110000-05:00thats pretty interesting since he's not a member
499488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-24T23:22:37.1570000-05:00did he give any reason as to why?
500570472690541002764hardsuit2020-03-24T23:25:06.7960000-05:00"The non-profit supports my community and the larger maker community of which I'm a part .. it is an important part in it .. I have worked closely with DMS for years now and volunteered countless hours ... the effects extend well beyond DMS .. and it is owned by the public in trust to the board"
501570472690541002764hardsuit2020-03-24T23:26:38.3590000-05:00His response to my telling him I don't look upon a non member actively politicing with favor, but allowing that he has the legal right to do so.
502488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-24T23:35:27.3020000-05:00Thats...interesting.
503488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-24T23:35:46.2250000-05:00I won't argue there is nothing legal stopping him.
504488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-24T23:35:59.5530000-05:00It seems to reek of a less than reasonable obsession.
505529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-25T00:22:26.6100000-05:00Is there a reason we call them "nominations" instead of "endorsements"?
506529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-25T00:22:55.6810000-05:00In other words, if nobody signed on as a nominator, would the SOI be thrown out?
507115183069555589125aceat642020-03-25T00:23:57.7920000-05:00There's not really a good reason, and I guess yeah we'd throw them out
508115183069555589125aceat642020-03-25T00:24:04.1540000-05:00It's never come up
509115183069555589125aceat642020-03-25T00:24:34.2500000-05:00Even the worst candidates can find at least one person, just look at Freddie 🤣
510529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-25T00:24:49.4180000-05:00Hey. I resemble that remark.
511115183069555589125aceat642020-03-25T00:25:55.4260000-05:00lol
512388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T00:28:05.9960000-05:00Actually yes
513488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-25T00:28:49.9680000-05:00LOL
514488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-25T00:28:53.5190000-05:00*cries*
515388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T00:28:57.5660000-05:00A nm nomination is not an endorsement. I have endorse no candidates
516300078993577607170merissa43082020-03-25T06:51:13.9690000-05:00@doug.emes are you saying you haven't nominated anyone? I see your name on one of the SOIs though?
517388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T08:47:38.7220000-05:00No I absolutely nominated mr king. I'm saying nomination and endorsement are 2 different concepts.👍 (2)
518547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-25T08:49:26.2790000-05:00I see nominations like a seconding a motion at a Board meeting - moves the item to a vote where one may vote for, against, or abstain👍 (2)
519300078993577607170merissa43082020-03-25T09:39:25.6120000-05:00Ok thanks @doug.emes for clarifying. Still trying to wrap my head around the logic though... so you feel strongly enough about Joe King to nominate him, but not enough to endorse him? What is your take on endorsing someone?
520388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T09:48:04.0310000-05:00Nomination is like this. Yes, this person is a dues paying member on good standing... I went through the 86 archive to try to find any suspensions in fact. The difference to me is an endorsement means I'm voting for this person, de facto campaigning. I feel the current bylaws based on a band of a dozen to 35 folks said a nomination is yeah, let this person run. With ~1860 folks now, its convuleted.
521300078993577607170merissa43082020-03-25T09:53:23.0420000-05:00Ok, I still don't grasp the logic, but I appreciate your input 👍
522388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T10:03:16.3070000-05:00We have the membership in general acting as an artificial but needed gateway to limiting 100+ names
523300078993577607170merissa43082020-03-25T10:07:08.5990000-05:00I doubt we'd ever get 100+ people to volunteer for such a massive job, heck there are usually just about 10 each year.
524300078993577607170merissa43082020-03-25T10:08:28.0050000-05:00That's why I see the act of nominating someone as basically the same as endorsing ther person's character and leadership skills. Just my $0.02
525300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-25T10:13:42.7830000-05:00I get it. I think @ESmith said it well, likening it to a call for vote, for which I can still vote for or against. I call for vote on whether candidate X will be a board member (nomination). I vote not (no endorsement) -OR- I vote for (endorsement). Maybe that just makes it murkier, but it works for me...
526547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-25T10:23:08.0890000-05:00@doug.emes > I feel the current bylaws based on a band of a dozen to 35 folks said a nomination is yeah, let this person run. With ~1860 folks now, its convuleted. Agreed. The bylaws, to an extent the standing rules, and to a large degree the culture are very much rooted in the past of governance by consensus.👍 (1)
527300078993577607170merissa43082020-03-25T10:23:08.8610000-05:00Or just don't nominate if you don't support/endorse someone? In this analogy of it being like a "second" or "call to vote", a vote fails if it doesn't get a second
528547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-25T10:26:04.5340000-05:00@merissa I generally *feel* that nomination should indicate a degree of support and limit my nominations to candidates I can support, however it's a preliminary step
529300078993577607170merissa43082020-03-25T10:27:19.2470000-05:00Yeah, I guess the argument is pointless since there's no set criteria for what nomination means... and it's not even a requirement for the candidates🙌 (1)
530316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T10:27:54.9820000-05:00@doug.emes to clarify, you are listed as an "endorsement" on Joe King's SOI
531316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T10:28:14.6630000-05:00when I sought my nominations, I specifically sought to only include those that would also be endorsements to help reduce confusion👏 (1),👍 (2)
532300078993577607170merissa43082020-03-25T10:30:53.5850000-05:00Good catch! With the talk of the difference between the two I didnt even notice the wording difference on each SOI 🤦
533300078993577607170merissa43082020-03-25T10:31:15.9440000-05:00For reference here's Joe's list...https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/692395180225200168/SmartSelect_20200325-102855_Chrome.jpg?ex=67b94503&is=67b7f383&hm=95177cc30a871886ec5c84aba2c43298a5432def36eec3ec57d87de0a5cfba60&
534300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-25T10:46:07.3360000-05:00Yeah... just one more way a candidate differentiates from the others, by actually following directions and *using the prescribed verbiage* not that being a director involves any technicalities or anything...👍 (1)
535343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-25T11:04:25.0250000-05:00Idk... I kind of consider it a bit loke an endorsement. Putting my name out there by their name. Plus if i wasn't a big fan I'd just prefer them to not get a second and it die, which i would assume means they cant run?
536529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-25T11:21:50.9270000-05:00Yeah, the difference is why I asked the initial question. If a nomination is simply to put someone on the ballot, seems like that number should be stated. But as a layman, if I see someone listed on someones SOI, I interpret it as "yeah, I think this person could be an effective board member." But if it's the other, seems like a member nominating another would be putting their name on EVERY SOI.☝️ (1)
537306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-25T11:25:00.2800000-05:00The Gorman plan
538194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-25T12:11:54.0380000-05:00Also the 86 list doesn't cover the various committee level bans
539316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T12:17:05.6640000-05:00yeah; I actually hadn't even given that much thought given most metal bans have only been 30 days or thereabouts
540316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T12:17:21.3610000-05:00but I do have one that's gone on for over a year now because the member refuses to speak to the committee about it
541316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T12:17:28.3200000-05:00should probably get a list going at some point
542194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-25T12:27:36.2000000-05:00And I think the 86 list only shows people who are *currently* banned
543316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T12:41:19.5240000-05:00right; we have a known issue where repeat offenders aren't caught across committees due to a lack of knowledge between chairs and the board
544385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-25T12:45:47.7130000-05:00That exact issue happened with John Thummel. At least 3 chairs (laser/me being one of them) didn't know he was violating rules in the others' areas. Kris was going around to each chair covering for him and asking for leniency.
545385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-25T12:46:50.1090000-05:00I only found out about the other two committee areas much later.
546385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-25T12:48:00.0620000-05:00We three chairs would have filed a joint petition to the board for permanent area bans had we known.
547115183069555589125aceat642020-03-25T15:37:41.7100000-05:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pYP3hnhmlw&t=60
548388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T15:52:47.4890000-05:00> No I absolutely nominated mr king. I'm saying nomination and endorsement are 2 different concepts. @doug.emes And here is some humble pie. I mis-recalled my private communication. I was asked for an endorsement, and I said yes. I apologize for the bad memory of doing stuff late at night. It doesn't change my thoughts at all about nominations... and that's what I thought I had agreed to... but no, I was asked and I said yes, therefore I in fact endorsed.
549388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T15:53:51.5750000-05:00Also, when I was approached, there was less than 5, so I will claim some "Exigent" circumstance to increase our quantity
550388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T15:56:20.6150000-05:00@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I support you 100% grilling another candidate on their SoI post, but not as a response to the secretary's post, willing to discuss here
551316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T15:57:19.3850000-05:00@doug.emes I've already asked for help moving it to its own threadf
552388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T15:57:29.4600000-05:00andiu appreciate it
553316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T15:57:37.6270000-05:00all of the items for that particularly contentious question SOI and otherwise
554388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T15:57:42.3610000-05:00thanks
555388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T15:58:06.0330000-05:00especially since it MAY become the defacto interview the candidates interaction
556316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T15:58:07.1490000-05:00I'm not doing it myself because I try to avoid moderation actions on threads I'm very active in, so that's why I tagged the moderation team to get it rolling
557388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T15:58:08.6000000-05:00since were closed
558316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T15:58:13.0030000-05:00yeah
559388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T15:58:14.1830000-05:00100% agree with you
560316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T15:58:17.0050000-05:00I'd like to avoid that too
561388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T15:58:34.7970000-05:00and again, ive got no problem jim and jimmy roasting other candidates, just not in that post
562316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T15:58:49.5700000-05:00was mostly replying based on the notifications anyway so it went where I was tagged
563388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T15:58:54.4540000-05:00yeah I get it
564316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T15:58:56.0800000-05:00but you're right it's off rails
565388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T15:59:05.3590000-05:00and I know eric is probably slammed at Big Red
566388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T15:59:44.2930000-05:00im going to tag you in infra for a infra related but not DMS thing
567115183069555589125aceat642020-03-25T16:00:27.0180000-05:00Erik works for Rasputin?
568115183069555589125aceat642020-03-25T16:00:29.8390000-05:00(destiny 2 joke)
569115183069555589125aceat642020-03-25T16:00:48.6900000-05:00Pearce will roll his eyes, but he gets it
570388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T16:01:36.5030000-05:00I only have Destiny1 on XBOX1
571115183069555589125aceat642020-03-25T16:01:42.9470000-05:00Destiny 2 is free to play now
572388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T16:01:52.4550000-05:00maybe 6 hrs of gameplay
573388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T16:01:55.9710000-05:00i know i know, bad human
574388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T16:02:24.4940000-05:00we wont talk about my game hours on Neverwinter
575388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T16:02:37.8870000-05:00or the MUDs in the 90s and 00's👆 (1)
576547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-25T16:22:21.2130000-05:00Oddly enough I seem to have quasi mod powers but have never used them
577388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-25T16:36:49.2740000-05:00probably tied to the announce only functionality
578316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T16:45:15.2470000-05:00actually when you have a high enough reputation in discourse it automatically grants a limited set of mod powers
579300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-25T17:09:13.6950000-05:00remarkably salient points in this:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/692495332965351434/unknown.png?ex=67b9a249&is=67b850c9&hm=105214ca6aa2a804365057e50f9fc3f3f72991bf87fcfa8b274c9342b481b12f&
580488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-25T17:11:41.6750000-05:00which ones?
581300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-25T17:16:55.2010000-05:00Our membership numbers are down. the quitters are at record numbers. (not sure on the 3d fab thing; doesn't really matter to me), and the number of chairs who have resigned and blamed the board is [probably] at a record. The bickering probably is the reason people stay away from talk. And this probably does come down to (rough paraphrase) if you like the direction of DMS in the last year, vote for the folks who were part of that; if you don't vote for the other faction. I think it goes off the rails for where the common sense, community approach representation lies, however.
582194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-25T17:21:09.2340000-05:00Electronics, science, glass and screenprinting also moved
583194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-25T17:21:12.4410000-05:00Digital media
584194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-25T17:21:57.6950000-05:00The people crying about "community" were the same people who were shouting "WE ARENT A CLUBHOUSE ANYMORE" two years ago💯 (2)
585488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-25T17:22:00.6820000-05:00To set the blame on the current board for down membership numbers is hilarious
586194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-25T17:22:14.6040000-05:00Yeah that's bullshit too
587194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-25T17:22:35.7250000-05:00Just like how Trump claimed he turned the economy around like 2 months into presidency
588488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-25T17:22:40.8830000-05:00As for banned people and resigned chairs, one might look at the circumstances before placing blame.
589194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-25T17:22:49.0320000-05:00(feels like every president does it tho)🤨 (1)
590488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-25T17:23:05.3430000-05:00Its nice to list those negatives out and put the "blame" on this board. Many are issues that would have had to have been dealt with by any board
591488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-25T17:23:27.4520000-05:00DMS has spent a good long while living the high life on luck and rainbows.
592488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-25T17:24:19.6080000-05:00I don't say this to say that the work put in was not worthy, I say this to explain that the success has been a lot of right place right time.
593488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-25T17:24:26.4340000-05:00(The later success)
594300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-25T17:31:54.7640000-05:00I largely agree. Most of what has happened NEEDED to happen. That's why I think THIS B&O is the common sense, community approach.
595300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-03-25T17:38:22.4160000-05:00Community! (thieves, rapist, etc.) But there are 99.9% that are amazing people just wanting to do their thing! I was on the BoD to try and keep that happening. It took everyone on D&O and some other really committed people on the ships wheel to make the course correction we needed. Could you imagine if we were expansion broke?
596188482200658903040skyspook2020-03-25T19:06:55.0550000-05:00It didn't go on long enough, but we seemed to be regaining members as well at the beginning of this year. Not a very fast growth. But now we have quite a cliff.
597316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T19:08:29.0980000-05:00yup, lot of covid cancellations
598316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T19:08:32.2500000-05:00!members
599306874939535917066dallas-makerspace#47632020-03-25T19:08:32.5150000-05:00There are currently 1807 members.
600300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-25T19:09:17.7240000-05:00yeah. it's been plummety in the last week... (shown in Brandon's charts, I think...)
601316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T19:13:52.0210000-05:00yeah I know; I get every cancellation notice and why they cancel
602316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-25T19:14:06.6620000-05:00Covid, covid, "covid lol"
603194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-25T19:16:41.7390000-05:00We had a very successful ad campaign going and the Saturday tours helped👍 (3)
604194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-25T19:17:17.2310000-05:00Having smaller tour groups is hugely important. But you need lots of tour guides for that
605188482200658903040skyspook2020-03-25T19:22:55.0830000-05:00Yea, I think people tend to sign up more if they get some more time to ask their questions and spend time just on what they're interested in. Although I did have most of a large group sign up -- and boy does a large group doing that show we need to work on our signup 🙂
606547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-25T19:39:11.6200000-05:00If it's not "can't use because of covid" it's "laid off because of covid"
607188482200658903040skyspook2020-03-25T20:16:34.1380000-05:00Yea, and I'm sympathetic to both. I'm impressed it's not dropped off more still. Though we still have plenty of time
608194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-25T20:18:28.9430000-05:00theres actually a lot of people who would like to see the space hang around and will continue the membership to do so
609194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-25T20:18:54.8340000-05:00right now i think we are seeing the customers not being able to use the space and of course being indignant about it
610115183069555589125aceat642020-03-25T20:19:09.9000000-05:00heck, Haley lives in CA and rejoined specifically to help support DMS during this
611385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-25T20:19:18.3580000-05:00@AGr identified the fragility in our membership retention in a functioning economy. Imagine worse in this once in a 100 years collapse.
612194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-25T20:20:26.9950000-05:00the "get a membership while its cheaper" was one of the worst pushes the space made for membership
613334393967015755776agr00902020-03-25T20:20:28.4190000-05:00Will be interesting if same drop off rate applies now as in the past, in which case in 6 months membership number will be half
614334393967015755776agr00902020-03-25T20:20:57.0900000-05:00That's if it stayed closed for that long, which seems unlikely
615547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-25T21:07:11.1070000-05:00it's likely to be another 2-3 weeks at the least
616547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-25T21:07:27.6600000-05:00suspect the membership drop will intensify as this drags on
617188482200658903040skyspook2020-03-25T21:37:38.6960000-05:00Yep. Perhaps some may be waiting until just before their charge date, and I'm sure we'll see a decent drop in the first 30 days of closure. Not sure how low though.
618300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-03-25T22:24:34.0550000-05:00would be an opportune time to rework rates once we have a plan to reopen.
619300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-03-25T22:25:02.6420000-05:00I'm a big fan of $50, that extra $10 makes me pause.👍 (3)
620343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-25T22:36:26.5450000-05:00Im pretty sure my job is stable so i can hang in here a bit and see how things go. Ben got laid off, so his situation is different. (If anyone is hiring anything in his skill set let me know, i imagine everything is slow right now though).
621316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-26T10:16:50.9690000-05:00Kevin just challenged people to call the school to see what his position really was who wants to call him on that bluff? I'm busy today☝️ (1)
622300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-26T10:17:16.0510000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/692754046968397904/unknown.png?ex=67b941bb&is=67b7f03b&hm=a48b2ec5bc3c3431a5797c9537965f3b4a17a8589f3cf7d9e294f59174bcf2ce&
623300078993577607170merissa43082020-03-26T10:54:55.0340000-05:00I wish there was a garbage can emoji on Talk for these garbage responses he's giving
624300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-26T10:58:47.8980000-05:00♻️ is as close as I can see... Probably not the right sentiment...
625306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-26T11:07:07.4910000-05:00I like clown, personally.
626306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-26T11:07:14.1280000-05:00The red bird of shitbird is also nice.
627540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-26T12:04:00.0580000-05:00Really want to ask him if he'll do as much on the BoD as he's done while being the Volunteer Coordinator🔥 (3)
628300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-03-26T13:31:33.7600000-05:00Damn, is that 80-100 hours working for Kevin, the pole business or DMS?
629227585388544393219axeonos2020-03-26T13:32:57.0960000-05:00I thought he made stripper poles for a living
630300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-03-26T13:36:00.0350000-05:00Now imagine a dark gentlemen's club with LED poles and no customers. I guess he can sell them as safety handrails.
631388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T13:38:02.7150000-05:00Vegas has a drive thru reportedly
632547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-26T14:26:10.7140000-05:00FYI : https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/2020-annual-meeting-elections-info/68873/3
633441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-03-26T14:29:47.2160000-05:00Makes sense
634388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T14:33:32.0670000-05:00Hey... in your standing rules edit it mentions chairs for infra and finance.
635388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T14:34:10.7820000-05:00Should be officers, and probably not perview of infra now that we have a member services coordinator
636547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-26T14:55:37.0090000-05:00> Hey... in your standing rules edit it mentions chairs for infra and finance. If I've mis-transcribed something from a Board meeting, I'd like to know, however I believe that was something before my term as Secretary
637388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T15:38:33.6060000-05:00I meant there's no such thing as a finance chair
638388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T15:38:47.8370000-05:00There's no such thj b.f as a infra chair
639388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T15:38:59.0680000-05:00Based on your other standing rules edits
640388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T15:39:14.0530000-05:00With the unified officer documents
641388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T15:39:39.9850000-05:00The last comme t regarding coordinator is a suggestion only
642388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T15:40:22.6440000-05:00But if the role is to be believed by title, that's who should get involved
643115183069555589125aceat642020-03-26T17:07:15.3110000-05:00Changing the rules requires a board vote, even if they are unclear or a section is out of date due to another section changing☝️ (1)
644115183069555589125aceat642020-03-26T17:09:58.6520000-05:00I'm also confused on what you mean by standing rules edit, the last edit to the page was on March 4th and makes no mention of chairs or officers
645547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-26T17:22:21.4710000-05:00THAT
646547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-26T17:22:47.7700000-05:00For the most part I don't even correct blinkingly obvious typos without a Board resolution
647529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-26T18:16:47.4810000-05:00Yeah. THAT.
648529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-26T18:18:48.6520000-05:00This oddity was explained to me a year ago by Chris Marlowe, when I noted weirdness in the rules regarding responsibilities bestowed upon a committee that no longer even existed. Erik was nice enough to help me draft the resolution - which was on the one of the first board agendas for the current board back whenever they took office. (June?) So if it be wrong, draft a resolution and put on the agenda.
649388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:16:31.2750000-05:00Supporting Member must have been a member for the immediate past 90 days to become a Regular Member. Exceptions will be considered on a case by case basis jointly by the Infrastructure and Finance Chairs.
650388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:16:40.1720000-05:00That's the quote verbatim
651388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:17:04.5470000-05:00Hence .... secretary officially adds things to board agendas etc
652115183069555589125aceat642020-03-26T21:20:13.0030000-05:00ok, but that hasn't changed recently and to change it would need a board vote
653388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:28:04.5840000-05:00And he places agenda itens
654388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:28:14.7840000-05:00Hence judy and I mentioning this herr
655557587172270538753rayearth422020-03-26T21:30:26.0400000-05:00Anyone can make an agenda item for a board meeting but we don't have another meeting scheduled, the March meeting was to be our last one
656388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:42:44.9030000-05:00I think it stems back from BoD MtG 201i0917
657388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:43:08.5700000-05:00But trying to use the wiki to search for it... ugh
658194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-26T21:43:54.5190000-05:00im confused what the goal is doug
659388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:44:06.0930000-05:00Define finance committee chair
660388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:44:10.1570000-05:00We don't have one
661194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-26T21:44:33.8110000-05:00we missed a change
662194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-26T21:44:45.7040000-05:00*volunteers*
663115183069555589125aceat642020-03-26T21:48:55.3120000-05:00The way you worded it about being an edit was confusing, it sounded like there was a recent change you were talking about
664388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:49:14.0940000-05:00No I meant since he posted it fresh in that post, it needs an edit
665388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:49:23.0640000-05:00If that was unclear my bad
666388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:49:43.4160000-05:00But... hes the chief who drafted the combinedproposal, who drafted the unified roles,
667388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:50:07.4020000-05:00And it would take me alot longer to find the neccessary documentation to correct than the author
668388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:50:39.4140000-05:00As for agenda items, ice done several in the past 6 months, almost all tables or dismissed, so yes, I'm familiar with the process
669388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:50:53.9710000-05:00But for this example, I believe Erik is the best submitteor
670388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T21:50:58.4560000-05:00Ugh spelling
671547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-26T21:59:15.6190000-05:00Best I can tell, the present Board is well aware that they're in a lame duck period forced by the COVID 19 situation, and really only wants to keep the organization solvent and making what progress that it can during this shutdown. The next Board may well wish to take a different direction and may or may not follow the current board's informal procedures.
672547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-26T22:01:04.0210000-05:00I can certainly draft something which along with the tabled items from the last meeting the next Board may deign to consider
673388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T22:03:20.1470000-05:00Thanks that's all I'm asking for
674388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T22:03:43.1430000-05:00But as written that standing rule is broke
675194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-26T22:09:18.7190000-05:00but everyone understands how it works
676547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-26T22:19:55.9140000-05:00A project I had hoped to achieve this year but never did was to rationalize and segment up the standing rules
677547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-26T22:21:27.4150000-05:00Keep really important stuff like (most of) the code of conduct as the top level doc but divert stuff like membership rules, committee ops, firearms rules, etc into their own documents
678547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-26T22:24:13.6630000-05:00The bylaws more or less need to be *replaced outright* but that struggle is more than I can manage
679388213344236077056doug.emes2020-03-26T22:24:36.0310000-05:00I concur with your italicized text
680115183069555589125aceat642020-03-28T16:08:40.3540000-05:00is Raffi ok?
681115183069555589125aceat642020-03-28T16:09:05.3590000-05:00he pinged me multiple times in a very short window
682306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T16:15:40.8490000-05:00Maybe he could use some of Havens’ pot brownies. God knows he has more than enough to share.😂 (4)
683306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T20:36:17.5110000-05:00https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning
684400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T21:37:19.1750000-05:00> he pinged me multiple times in a very short window @aceat64 ??? On what platform?
685250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T21:41:46.8720000-05:00BTW @DJ Vance there is a little more info on Mark's motivations in the thread I linked. He wanted it so he could send out mass BOD campaign mailers.
686250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T21:43:59.7170000-05:00Personally, I don't think that rises to a legitimate purpose.
687306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T21:44:58.1190000-05:00Reading is for chumps
688306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T21:45:25.7340000-05:00Defending notorious shitbirds is where it’s at.
689250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T21:45:26.9090000-05:00hah...well, it's buried in a lot of mincewords
690343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-28T21:46:14.6370000-05:00So exactly what circumstances would that information be given out? All i haven gotten from that thread is a need to edit that information to something else
691400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T21:46:29.8440000-05:00> Defending notorious shitbirds is where it’s at. @SewingStuff "Raffi bad. Raffi troll. Troll bad. Raffi bad."
692343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-28T21:46:55.0570000-05:00I don't exactly mind to get information from DMS proper or if the police needed it.
693343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-28T21:47:15.4970000-05:00But i don't want random members being able to request it👍 (1)
694250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T21:47:33.4240000-05:00We send out annual election announcements in the mail, or used to.
695400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T21:49:45.0190000-05:00I would support a change to the bylaws that changes how that information is accessed. Maybe a more formalized process and only to those who have given consent. We probably already ask for consent to send emails, but I think having separate consent for sharing emails through these requests would be wise.
696400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T21:51:24.1560000-05:00I don't think the bylaws mention that the requestor has to be a member.
697250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T21:51:30.5380000-05:00Until we change the bylaws, though, we have to rely on fiduciary duty and common sense.
698400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T21:51:37.0750000-05:00lemme check
699115183069555589125aceat642020-03-28T21:55:34.8780000-05:00Raffi, in that thread you tagged me multiple times in like an hour lol
700306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T21:58:19.9550000-05:00Raffi you are really more of a sealion if we want to get specific.
701400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T21:58:35.0430000-05:00Yeah just lean into it
702306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T21:58:42.6570000-05:00I’m just saddened that you’re wasting everyone’s time in defense of maybe the worst person at DMS.
703400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T21:58:45.3600000-05:00Anyway, this is interesting: https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/BO/htm/BO.22.htm#22.158
704400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T21:59:04.1130000-05:00and relevant I might add
705400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T21:59:08.2450000-05:00lol
706306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T21:59:18.4250000-05:00I wasn’t really missing Draco.
707250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T22:03:05.0800000-05:00And I mean...in the end, the BOD was right. He really was acting in bad faith.
708441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-03-28T22:03:34.6880000-05:00Raffi, Mark Havens seems to be much more interested in his own results than DMS, can't seem to understand no over night vehicles, trying to use DMS mailing list for his own purposes, you don't seem bad, just asking for info.this (2)
709194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-28T22:10:19.0300000-05:00Havens thought the board was trying to silence him with a ban. In reality he was printing whole reams of paper worth of trolly flyers making fun of candidates ans putting up false campaign flyers for them.
710194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-28T22:11:11.5760000-05:00And pinning buttons on old fragile costumes that members had been asked to put on display for an art gallery
711400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:13:33.5480000-05:00> And I mean...in the end, the BOD was right. He really was acting in bad faith. @Toenolla Wait are you Mark?
712400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:13:36.4390000-05:00lol
713400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:14:07.6380000-05:00To me this is not an argument of Mark good vs. Mark bad. That's what I'm picking up from you guys
714250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T22:14:15.0230000-05:00@DJ Vance He didn't put his intended use in the request. That's what I mean by bad faith.
715400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:14:27.2130000-05:00> @DJ Vance He didn't put his intended use in the request. That's what I mean by bad faith. @Toenolla I'll take that as a yes
716306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T22:14:34.7360000-05:00Raffi “This murderer has murdered 14 people. How dare you assume that when he was poised over a 15th person with a knife that he intended to murder them.”
717250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T22:15:40.9050000-05:00@DJ Vance definitely a no, though.
718194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-28T22:15:41.6780000-05:00When he was told that he damaged another members work, he responded by calling the member a baby and made his own version of the costume to put on display in the form of a baby blanket to further drive his opinion home
719194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-28T22:16:54.0550000-05:00He was told to stop posting the false statements,and he thought he should have access to the mailing addresses of the voting members so he could mail them directly
720400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:19:10.7770000-05:00> Raffi “This murderer has murdered 14 people. How dare you assume that when he was poised over a 15th person with a knife that he intended to murder them.” @SewingStuff I'm not saying the board should have given the benefit of the doubt. My argument, for probably not the last time, is that the bylaws say that the purpose is stated in the letter.
721540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-28T22:20:12.1890000-05:00No but see the guy said he wasn't going murder #15 so we're just gonna give him a knife to hold over him.
722194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-28T22:21:51.5740000-05:00The lawyer at the time said we shouldn't give him the addresses
723306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T22:22:13.4070000-05:00Raffi knows way better than an actual lawyer. He totally googled it.
724306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T22:22:57.7910000-05:00Did Raffi ragequit and give his account to Draco or do we just have two of these fucking guys now?
725250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T22:23:41.9400000-05:00@DJ Vance What stated purpose though? Can you tell what he intended to do with the information from that language? I can't.
726400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:24:30.4560000-05:00> The lawyer at the time said we shouldn't give him the addresses @pearce That's a fair point. Who's our lawyer?
727194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-28T22:25:24.9640000-05:00Uhhhh
728250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T22:25:38.4770000-05:00You have to actually state a purpose when you make a request like this.
729400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:25:40.3450000-05:00I mean I can probably find it, but
730194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-28T22:25:50.8580000-05:00I'd have to look. I don't have to deal with him so I don't know off the top of my head
731194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-28T22:26:28.2100000-05:00I do know its a different person now
732400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:26:50.4880000-05:00hmm wonder why
733400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:27:16.3920000-05:00I wonder what our new lawyer's thoughts are on this
734300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-28T22:27:19.5010000-05:00Family Guy re-runs on. Season 1. The. Best. Show...
735194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-28T22:27:25.6420000-05:00Because hold my beer burned a few
736400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:27:46.3740000-05:00> The lawyer at the time said we shouldn't give him the addresses @pearce When you say addresses here, do you mean email addresses, mailing addresses, or both?
737194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-28T22:28:01.0530000-05:00Voting members info
738194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-28T22:28:10.8450000-05:00Whatever he asked for
739194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-28T22:28:37.1210000-05:00I'm not speaking in specifics here so let's not try to word lawyer me on phrasing
740250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T22:28:37.8510000-05:00@DJ Vance Personally, I don't think it's worth paying our lawyer to reexamine this.
741400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:29:09.6750000-05:00> @DJ Vance Personally, I don't think it's worth paying our lawyer to reexamine this. @Toenolla Even without knowing how much it would cost?
742115183069555589125aceat642020-03-28T22:29:36.7930000-05:00Raffi, what do you think we should do in the situation that someone requests info under the bylaws, provides a clear purpose, the lawyer says give them the info, but a board member blocks it?
743250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T22:29:42.5060000-05:00@DJ Vance yes. It's not worth a dime. He's not pursuing the data anymore.
744400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:31:00.1280000-05:00> Raffi, what do you think we should do in the situation that someone requests info under the bylaws, provides a clear purpose, the lawyer says give them the info, but a board member blocks it? @aceat64 Who is "we" in that sentence?
745115183069555589125aceat642020-03-28T22:31:06.8090000-05:00we the membership
746115183069555589125aceat642020-03-28T22:31:18.5370000-05:00or rather, what should happen to that board member?
747115183069555589125aceat642020-03-28T22:31:33.7530000-05:00hypothetically
748400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:31:41.0820000-05:00ban for life
749300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-28T22:31:43.4180000-05:00It's the one where Stewie and Brain RV across the US to San Francisco to meet "Stewie's Fathter"...
750400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:31:49.5270000-05:00jk there are much better ways of handling that
751115183069555589125aceat642020-03-28T22:31:50.9690000-05:00awesome, glad to hear you agree with the Kris ban then
752115183069555589125aceat642020-03-28T22:31:55.5740000-05:00lol
753400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:32:15.9930000-05:00I think the membership should vote at the next election
754400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:34:29.2720000-05:00If the lawyer says the blocking access to the info is against the Texas Business Organizations Code, then that action could put us in jeopardy of losing our non-profit status. I think that's how that works anyway
755115183069555589125aceat642020-03-28T22:35:20.0690000-05:00yes, usually it's best to go with the lawyer's advice
756115183069555589125aceat642020-03-28T22:35:32.0940000-05:00which is what the board did in regards to Mark's request way back then👍 (2)
757300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-28T22:36:09.5360000-05:00wasn't that pretty much the first time DMS felt the need to retainer a lawyer?
758115183069555589125aceat642020-03-28T22:36:48.8390000-05:00I'm not sure, I think we may have had him before that
759306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T22:36:52.8970000-05:00Has anyone ever seen the movie Hellraiser?
760300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-28T22:38:03.1960000-05:00Have not seen hellraiser
761300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-28T22:38:05.5520000-05:00remember the poster
762300083517877125121andrew51522020-03-28T22:38:52.0810000-05:00were you reduced to watching that to fill your evening?
763306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T22:40:08.4240000-05:00So spoiler alert, there’s a scene where one character wears another character’s skin and tries to pretend to be him but you can figure out who he really is from his behavior.🤣 (1),👍 (1)
764400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:40:45.2230000-05:00> which is what the board did in regards to Mark's request way back then @aceat64 Like I said, that's fair. But "because the lawyer said so" is very different from "because we thought that he had intentions of doing something improper"
765306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T22:41:15.2530000-05:00I’m just saying that Draco may have found a puzzle box promising him endless camo.🤨 (1),🤣 (2)
766115183069555589125aceat642020-03-28T22:41:19.8290000-05:00they said both of those things in the thread though...
767400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:43:02.4530000-05:00> they said both of those things in the thread though... @aceat64 My argument was more about what the board should have done. Seems like they were stopped from doing what they should have done by a lawyer, which I think excuses them from responsibility.
768250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T22:44:31.9560000-05:00I mean, the board did do what it should have done. Ask the lawyer.
769250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T22:45:54.0160000-05:00Like, personally if it came down to me, I would have asked him to resend it with more detailed information. But I'm not a lawyer.
770400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:49:04.8720000-05:00I'm pretty sure we're in violation of this: https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/BO/htm/BO.22.htm#22.158
771400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:49:27.2060000-05:00"(a) After setting a record date for the notice of a meeting, a corporation shall prepare an alphabetical list of the names of all its voting members. The list must identify: (1) the members who are entitled to notice and the members who are not entitled to notice of the meeting; (2) the address of each voting member; and (3) the number of votes each voting member is entitled to cast at the meeting. (b) Not later than the second business day after the date notice is given of a meeting for which a list was prepared in accordance with Subsection (a), and continuing through the meeting, the list of voting members must be available at the corporation's principal office or at a reasonable place in the municipality in which the meeting will be held, as identified in the notice of the meeting, for inspection by members entitled to vote at the meeting for the purpose of communication with other members concerning the meeting. (c) A voting member or voting member's agent or attorney is entitled on written demand to inspect and, at the member's expense and subject to Section 22.351, copy the list at a reasonable time during the period the list is available for inspection. (d) The corporation shall make the list of voting members available at the meeting. A voting member or voting member's agent or attorney is entitled to inspect the list at any time during the meeting or an adjournment of the meeting."
772306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T22:49:33.1520000-05:00I’m pretty sure you don’t have the education or experience to make any statements on that matter Google esquire
773400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:50:42.9670000-05:00> I’m pretty sure you don’t have the education or experience to make any statements on that matter Google esquire @SewingStuff There is are no education or experience requirements for Discord and possibly for advising the board as a lawyer
774400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:51:42.3260000-05:00> I’m pretty sure you don’t have the education or experience to make any statements on that matter Google esquire @SewingStuff Were you the one who claimed to be a fan of reading?
775306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T22:52:12.7930000-05:00Advising AS A LAWYER? Oh honey you sure aren’t in any position to be doing THAT.
776400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:52:49.4070000-05:00> Advising AS A LAWYER? Oh honey you sure aren’t in any position to be doing THAT. @SewingStuff you may have missed the joke
777306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T22:53:25.7910000-05:00This whole thing is really kind of a joke.
778400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-28T22:56:41.6620000-05:00Good. Laugh. It lowers your cortisol levels I'm no doctor though
779250129661219176449toenolla2020-03-28T22:57:10.7140000-05:00I'm really glad we have the politics channel (no that isn't sarcasm)
780547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-28T22:58:03.3750000-05:00we're not a typical corporation where there's equity and dividends at stake thus the damages that can be claimed in a lawsuit are so low as to not be worth litigating
781547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-28T22:59:35.0080000-05:00WRT to Mr Havens, I will say that short of some truly shocking - borderline *inconceivable* - revelations there is nothing that will motivate me to vote for him
782316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-28T22:59:44.1480000-05:00raffi I suggest you read the most important section regarding ordinary care: ```Sec. 22.221. GENERAL STANDARDS FOR DIRECTORS. (a) A director shall discharge the director's duties, including duties as a committee member, in good faith, with ordinary care, and in a manner the director reasonably believes to be in the best interest of the corporation. (b) A director is not liable to the corporation, a member, or another person for an action taken or not taken as a director if the director acted in compliance with this section. A person seeking to establish liability of a director must prove that the director did not act: (1) in good faith; (2) with ordinary care; and (3) in a manner the director reasonably believed to be in the best interest of the corporation.```
783316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-28T23:00:13.1610000-05:00tl;dr an officer would be violating ordinary care if they handed info over knowing it was going to be used to commit a crime etc
784306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T23:00:18.9890000-05:00I wouldn’t vote for Havens if the candidates only consisted of Havens.
785316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-28T23:00:22.9740000-05:00like falsifying documents, harassment, etc
786547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-28T23:04:41.2580000-05:00WRT information requests, *there are certain individuals it DMS that I will simply not be giving information to*
787547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-28T23:05:27.1620000-05:00I'm not going to drop names, but I have every reason to believe that requests from those individuals would be counter to the interests of the corporation
788262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:35:23.3530000-05:00..... to the interests of the .... current board et al
789306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T23:38:00.6800000-05:00Did someone open the goddamn puzzle box?
790262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:38:28.6610000-05:00Some things are pretty solid in law, just as voting members being able to communicate with other voting members about a meeting, even if the communication is not something the current administration likes.
791306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T23:39:48.1900000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/693680788901855322/image0.png?ex=67b95514&is=67b80394&hm=d9f64b52c9bb61c99d937225cb3d34163791d6ce5d52d135f68a02cd5bccd1cd&
792479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-28T23:44:18.3610000-05:00@SewingStuff that puzzle box is pretty cool. I recently saw one that was like this except it was an actual lock box. Very intricate.
793262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:44:38.3470000-05:00Patrick let us out
794306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T23:45:52.0810000-05:00It may be my fault for saying your name three times.
795479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-28T23:46:22.5640000-05:00Like beetle juice
796262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:46:27.7270000-05:00that would do it .... well. I'm here now
797262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:46:33.3670000-05:00happy?
798306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T23:46:52.2020000-05:00I mean it’s either you or your skinwalker.
799479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-28T23:47:51.0100000-05:00Terms that sound bad: skinwalker being added to my list of nope words
800262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:48:16.2040000-05:00I think I am who I am but I might just be dreaming all this
801262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:48:56.8150000-05:00Soooo what has been going on?
802262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:49:01.1540000-05:00What did I miss?
803262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:50:03.6500000-05:00And that is a really cool box @SewingStuff
804262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:50:10.7630000-05:00I wonder if that is goldleaf
805479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-28T23:51:04.9200000-05:00@Draco in reference to what did I miss? Use your face eyes, man.
806262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:52:13.6370000-05:00Looks like Raffi was debating and then I showed up .. she asked if someone opened a puzzle box and let us out
807306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T23:52:43.7100000-05:00Well, not us, you.
808262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:53:01.3750000-05:00Me and Raffi .. I mean but if it was just me .. okay
809262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:54:14.7380000-05:00Any interesting politics to talk about?
810262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:54:43.1520000-05:00Replacing all the Red chairs with Green ones?
811306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T23:56:15.7830000-05:00I love the red chairs. They’re amazingly comfortable.
812479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-28T23:56:40.8150000-05:00The red chairs aren’t terrible @Draco why does everyone hate those things
813262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:57:00.8850000-05:00no they aren't terrible .. they just aren't good
814479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-28T23:58:06.1190000-05:00The chairs serve the purpose of sits
815262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:58:34.1570000-05:00Depends on body shape
816262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:58:40.7440000-05:00and how long you want to sit ...
817306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-28T23:59:07.0570000-05:00I actually do find them really comfortable. I wish you guys would get rid of them. I’d scoop them all up for my classroom.
818262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:59:08.0780000-05:00I'm all for people hanging out for several hours at the space
819262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:59:18.3630000-05:00not forever but many hours
820262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-28T23:59:55.3370000-05:00I think different people have different ideas of comfort .. so having a verity is most likely best
821479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:01:37.7180000-05:00Not all human spines and butts are created equally I suppose.
822262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:02:00.0330000-05:00It is why they created so many different chairs 😉
823262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:02:19.2540000-05:00donations are great too
824262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:02:34.6300000-05:00but I am not a fan of the chairs donated in the wearhouse
825262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:02:57.3020000-05:00or use to be in the wearhouse .. no idea where they are now .. the cloth squatty ones
826262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:03:25.4880000-05:00I cannot wait until the computer lab is up and running
827262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:03:32.3980000-05:00that is going to be so great
828479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:04:25.4770000-05:00I’ll agree to the computer lab.
829479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:04:40.8270000-05:00Everyone involved with that has done great work.
830262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:06:15.4340000-05:00Does the space still have the freebie shelf?
831479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:07:27.3050000-05:00You mean the member exchange shelf? Yes.
832262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:10:10.7550000-05:00ah ok .. renamed
833262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:10:15.6720000-05:00cool
834479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:12:28.1740000-05:00I like the name change. Feels more correct.
835262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:12:37.1740000-05:00yeah me too
836262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:12:55.0920000-05:00But can you exchange members?
837262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:13:00.0350000-05:00😛
838306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T00:13:07.8040000-05:00I was really hoping for it to be the “trashed in the dumpster” shelf
839262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:13:27.5810000-05:00not a fan then
840262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:14:51.0370000-05:00It has its problems but I do think it is useful .. I've pulled many good and useful things from it
841479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:20:57.1540000-05:00@SewingStuff , I wasn’t upset when it left, all I’m saying is I wish members were more responsible and respectful of what they put in there.
842479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:21:01.2870000-05:00On*
843479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:22:33.6880000-05:00There is a sign in black and white no one reads.
844262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:23:58.8680000-05:00I think people in the past have felt ownership in the space. They felt like they belonged and it wasn't some top driven org. I think the more people feel that way, the more that they want to be members instead of customers. Customers don't care because someone else will take care of it. True members actually care enough not to mess things up and even clean up and volunteer. It is my opinion that we went down a path that enables more customers than members.
845306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T00:24:56.1130000-05:00Who pressed the community button on Draco? Someone remove his batteries.
846479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:25:21.6950000-05:00All I said was read a sign?
847262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:25:43.6340000-05:00Well, Jim did .. https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/to-whom-it-may-concern-your-forum-thanks-are-kinda-rude/70440/3
848479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:25:48.0790000-05:00We have community. Just because it’s not what you’re used to doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
849262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:26:18.0920000-05:00I'm not saying it doesn't exist
850262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:26:26.0520000-05:00It certainly does exist
851262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:26:40.2880000-05:00and i didn't mention community ... I said ownership
852194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T00:26:41.6250000-05:00That's some boomer shit
853194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T00:26:51.8820000-05:00Getting mad at a forum default thread👆 (3)
854479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:26:55.5380000-05:00I got a bunch of people together who willingly wanted to do a stupid video. And it got a lot of good reception from members.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/693692645117132831/image0.jpg?ex=67b9601e&is=67b80e9e&hm=723ba2114bed077c5a6f094c31ee136700705f95b818fdd5955a6f675a17d721&
855479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:27:20.4630000-05:00I mean, community is still alive and well at DMS.
856262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:27:36.0120000-05:00It is.. but is ownership
857262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:27:38.1760000-05:00?
858262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:28:20.7020000-05:00doacrcy ... being able to pick up a project and just run with it
859262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:28:43.2880000-05:00being able to have a committee to answer to and not always the board
860262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:28:59.6840000-05:00Having committees be the mainstay
861479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:29:00.0150000-05:00That can still happen. It should have always just went through the proper channels.
862262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:29:18.4700000-05:00Proper channels should be committees
863262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:29:27.6670000-05:00not the board or officers
864479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:30:18.0300000-05:00If a change involves the space or an area within, the board and officers have every right to approve or deny.
865262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:30:45.9520000-05:00I'm for limited upper administration and more committee level decisions
866547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:31:52.2030000-05:00Gonna have to fundamentally restructure DMS to achieve that ideal, Draco. All the way down to the Certificate of Formation and change it to a Member-managed corporation.
867262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:32:22.9600000-05:00No.. I disagree .. the bylaws give committee government
868262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:32:51.1060000-05:00This is the way it has been for a while before this year
869262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:32:58.5160000-05:00and perhaps the one before that
870547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:33:27.5980000-05:00you are factually wrong
871547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:34:00.6440000-05:00https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Bylaws#Section_2.1_Board_of_Directors > Section 2.1 Board of Directors > The activities and affairs of this corporation shall be overseen by the Board of Directors, subject to the provisions of the laws of the state of Texas and any limitations in the Articles of Incorporation and these Bylaws.
872547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:34:14.2200000-05:00and this is why I have you on ignore
873479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:34:16.0180000-05:00@ESmith Then there would be no point in elected and appointed positions. Which wouldn’t be good. I get that’s what he wants. @Draco the spending and sporadic decisions needed to be managed. We needed the changes we received.👍 (1)
874529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-29T00:34:43.9350000-05:00Uhhhh. Draco, did you hit your head while you were un-membered?
875547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:35:18.3870000-05:00@Patrickpleez1 the Board governs the corporation, most effectively so by delegating functions out ala Officers and Committees
876547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:35:33.3000000-05:00They however retain ultimate responsibility and control
877262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:35:39.5760000-05:00I'm sorry .. I'm not arguing that the board is not the final word .. I'm saying that their place is to interface other governements / officials .. make sure committees have all the resources to function. Take care of just the basics, though
878529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-29T00:36:02.1940000-05:00From where I sit, the committee system is working fine; the Board rides herd on big purchases. As it should have been all along.
879306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T00:36:05.7870000-05:00I didn’t pour myself enough to play the Draco drinking game tonight
880547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:36:11.4020000-05:00OK, now you're making more sense
881262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:36:16.1810000-05:00Bylaws: "Each committee may adopt rules for its own government not inconsistent with these Bylaws or with guidelines given by the Board of Directors." The board gives guidelines.
882306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T00:37:19.0400000-05:00Oh he said bylaws!
883262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:37:24.0220000-05:00Drink!
884479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:37:27.2120000-05:00Take a shot
885547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:37:28.2940000-05:00I wish the committees would take a bit more ownership. I also wish the Board had set more into motion to encourage this ala the big restructure to finances and honorarium that's been talked about since before this Board term.
886262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:38:18.7790000-05:00*nods* ... I think the committees may need more tools and classes on running an effective committee .. education after all.
887306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T00:38:56.4170000-05:00Ooh he said education!
888547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:39:04.2800000-05:00i.e. *set an annual budget* for committees like woodshop, give them a goal for training, then let them figure out how to best achieve the rest of their goals.
889479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:40:36.2300000-05:00@ESmith I agree with the tagged statement towards me. And also, I also agree with everything you said in reference to ownership. But I do agree to continue on an upswing it still needs to be monitored until we regain our numbers.
890547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:41:17.9380000-05:00Even today committees largely seem to hold meetings, decide they want something, then ask for authority to get it without a heck of a lot of planning💯 (1)
891262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:42:07.6290000-05:00I think they should have a budget being the max that they can ask for from the board. Any other money has to come from elsewhere .. we need to get back to the chain that worked ..... Public/Members "votes" for Instructors through attendance, Instructors "vote" for committees through honorarium. This worked but it some how got broken this past year. I'm not going to place blame but move forward. We need to be able to reconnect the chain and allow committees to find teachers to "earn" money instead of always asking the board. This is what I mean by more committee run. THEY have to find teachers ... THEY have to "earn" money ... the memebrship has to buy into it too
892479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:42:24.0680000-05:00Fuck. I meant a different emoji @ESmith how do I change that.
893547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:42:48.7340000-05:00think you can click on it again. or just add the right one.
894547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:42:56.7720000-05:00it's temporal comms so no worries
895479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:43:45.4540000-05:00Okay. Thank you. I hate discord sometimes.
896547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:44:27.2360000-05:00@Draco the idea is to decouple committee finances from teaching classes and let them decide how to meet their **required training** mandates
897479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:45:40.7990000-05:00I also think committee budgets should fluctuate with our up and down season.
898547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:45:53.4820000-05:00if that means putting in the volunteer hours on video/web training for the rote stuff and a 5 minute practical scheduled twice-weekly for certification by a volunteer then that committee can pretty much *stop spending money on training*
899262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:47:04.5880000-05:00If a committee starts floundering ... there will need to be some sort of way to get this from data .. then ask the committee not the chair if they want help .. then provide it in terms of instruction .. money if they can prove they have a plan .. and if the committee fails .. then allow another group to come and start again .. The committees shouldn't be "the membership" .. it should be a group of people willing to all put in effort for something they want ...
900547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:47:27.0900000-05:00now that's more back-of-the-house tool-centric, natch. the model for front-of-the-house committees might have to be different.
901479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:47:30.2260000-05:00That’s one thing I’m adamant on making happen. The online training.
902547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:47:50.3850000-05:00*project* classes seems to drive those committees
903479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:47:55.0810000-05:00I want it streamlined.
904479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:48:31.1250000-05:00I want someone who just came in, to be able to get into wood shop within 3 hours of joining.
905479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:48:42.1130000-05:00I think that’s a logical timetable
906262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:50:41.1500000-05:00I think part of a good committee .. is having meetups/interest groups .. let me explain why Many people come for the tools .. that is true But many also come for the knowledge and socialization aspects .. being able to meet other like minded people This is where interest groups come in .. it can be utilized by committees to gain members and popularity
907547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:50:41.9880000-05:00I think Paul is working on correcting the *woodworker*-centric training model in woodshop now, which assumes everyone using their tools wants to make cabinets or furniture when the reality is that there's a bit *carpenter* demographic that really just wants to cut stock to size and drill holes
908262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:51:13.1960000-05:00a committee meeting is a poor interest group
909262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:51:17.8120000-05:00not very INTERESTing
910479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:51:51.1530000-05:00I teach a wood shop class and I can get a one on one through in an hour.
911547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:52:12.1410000-05:00that works for some of the DMS member base, but do keep in mind that most of our members are here for personal projects and the social aspect is hit-or-miss. We might convert more of those folks to long-term members, we might just retain them for longer, or we might miss the mark entirely.
912479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:52:33.1180000-05:00And that’s showing everything they do in the shop.
913479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:53:07.1890000-05:00@ESmith I see the retention issue as a challenge I want to take on.
914262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:53:16.8100000-05:00The socialization aspect has to be rebuilt ... it was popular a while back .. a whole lot of people were not getting their social fix, I keep hearing since all the changes happened
915262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:53:31.5220000-05:00some classes were even aspects of that socialzaion
916547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:54:16.8730000-05:00@Patrickpleez1 Member Services is working on things in that area - improving the onboarding process would help immensely👌 (1)
917262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:54:41.3940000-05:00I think member retention is more important than onboarding
918547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:54:59.5850000-05:00onboarding happens *first*
919479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:55:08.1080000-05:00I have a few ideas of my own. And I hope that what they do, and what I have came up with mesh well, if o get elected.
920262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:55:09.4090000-05:00I think onboarding IS important .. very imporant
921479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:55:11.2120000-05:00I*
922262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:55:30.8410000-05:00but if you just have onboarding and no retention .. you have very high churn
923316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T00:55:31.8870000-05:00we lose members because they don't know anything coming in
924547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:55:36.3120000-05:00because **boy howdy** is DMS a lot for our somewhat ... reserved ... general demo that has no earthly idea how to do things
925316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T00:55:40.4480000-05:00more so than we lose members because of "social" stuff☝️ (1)
926316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T00:56:04.9570000-05:00they leave because they don't know they can ask "hey can we get a class on this"
927262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:56:14.0800000-05:00Well, if you think about who sticks around ... they all know each other
928547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:56:15.6440000-05:00members get lost in the crowd and eventually drop out
929316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T00:56:18.2930000-05:00or "FYI the calendar should be checked regularly, classes often don't show until a couple days before"👍 (2)
930547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:56:33.0090000-05:00or they can't get access to some tool / class
931262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:56:33.0320000-05:00Yes .. they do get lost in the crowd
932316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T00:56:34.7900000-05:00if you need something don't be afraid to ask committee chairs👍 (1)
933316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T00:56:35.2980000-05:00etc
934316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T00:56:38.2830000-05:00yup
935479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:56:39.0070000-05:00> we lose members because they don't know anything coming in @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I feel this is because the tours lack information sometimes
936316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T00:56:52.2180000-05:00the tours aren't the right place for this info
937547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:57:02.0150000-05:00the handbook seems to come and go
938547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:57:27.5850000-05:00the wiki 4-1-1 page isn't bad, but the wiki format only seems to really work for entrenched insiders💯 (1)
939385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-29T00:57:43.8800000-05:00social stuff = on-site drinking/drunkenness and several people literally living at DMS.
940262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T00:58:28.5480000-05:00"members get lost in the crowd and eventually drop out" .. I think if they do not have friends that are there, do not access to the tools/training, feel unwelcome and no way to really meet like-minded people .. it has very little with living at the space or drinking
941479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T00:58:53.2840000-05:00> the tours aren't the right place for this info @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I believe that people should be informed of class fees and such. I have always included this info in my tours.
942547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T00:59:38.2880000-05:00@stephenie there did used to be a huge degree of that. and I'm of a mind that we should not be encouraging members to use DMS as substitute dining rooms and living rooms. *But* I will agree that some degree of *fellowship* should be encouraged - however I see it regularly despite calls to the contrary.
943547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:00:23.4640000-05:00What I see less of nowadays is co-dependency on DMS
944316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:00:35.7060000-05:00> "members get lost in the crowd and eventually drop out" .. I think if they do not have friends that are there, do not access to the tools/training, feel unwelcome and no way to really meet like-minded people .. it has very little with living at the space or drinking @Draco the first part of this is irrelevant to most members; they come here to use tools and make stuff, take classes. They generally don't come to socialize.
945479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:00:55.3080000-05:00> social stuff = on-site drinking/drunkenness and several people literally living at DMS. @stephenie I may be a fan of drinking a beer or two here or there. But I was never a fan of it at DMS
946316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:01:09.9830000-05:00> @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I believe that people should be informed of class fees and such. I have always included this info in my tours. @Patrickpleez1 Again, not the right place. Say some classes have fees, others don't. But this is not a good place to retain information
947316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:01:39.7060000-05:00> @stephenie I may be a fan of drinking a beer or two here or there. But I was never a fan of it at DMS @Patrickpleez1 as someone cleaning up the aftermath and dealing with the severe things that happened I'm not either
948262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:01:57.6670000-05:00This has been one of the major changes @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium that has happened that has upset me .. more people are now running businesses out of the space it seems instead of going there to meet friends and be creative
949479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:02:01.5950000-05:00> What I see less of nowadays is co-dependency on DMS @ESmith I had an argument with someone a few weeks ago about this.
950547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:02:19.6760000-05:00Also, given the reality that we're a communal *workshop*, I do not feel we should encourage loitering around at DMS **all day**
951316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:02:23.1080000-05:00> This has been one of the major changes @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium that has happened that has upset me .. more people are now running businesses out of the space it seems instead of going there to meet friends and be creative @Draco running business != those members that just want to use tools
952316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:02:39.2250000-05:00stop conflating your personal reason for DMS with everyone else
953316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:02:53.0730000-05:00many members want to make things for themselves and don't care to deal with others
954316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:03:01.3490000-05:00they want to take the class, make their things
955262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:03:07.3670000-05:00There are many reasons for DMS including tools and socialization .. can we not have both?
956316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:03:09.7850000-05:00not everyone that's there for personal reasons wants to socialize
957547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:03:32.7250000-05:00@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium in fact I'll bet that many members don't even adopt the *maker* identity☝️ (1)
958316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:03:37.0040000-05:00> There are many reasons for DMS including tools and socialization .. can we not have both? @Draco we aren't a social club; if people want to socialize sure, but don't conflate it with everything else people want to do
959479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:03:59.5140000-05:00@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I am not saying handout a comprehensive list of pricing. But it’s good the guides know a lot of the pricing for questions. And most definitely the basic pricing.
960262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:04:18.1000000-05:00I beg to differ with you @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium.. part of our mission IS social collaboration
961316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:04:21.8410000-05:00> @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I am not saying handout a comprehensive list of pricing. But it’s good the guides know a lot of the pricing for questions. And most definitely the basic pricing. @Patrickpleez1 my statement stands; it's nice, but it isn't where people retain the info
962316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:04:28.6500000-05:00needs to be provided in other means
963316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:04:56.2980000-05:00> I beg to differ with you @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium.. part of our mission IS social collaboration @Draco It's not *all* of the mission though, and again don't force your reasons for DMS into other members' being here
964479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:05:05.6110000-05:00@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I’ve had a lot of people in tours, that knowing pricing made or broke a membership sale.
965262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:05:05.7900000-05:00No it isn't all of it .. correct
966316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:05:09.5260000-05:00this is *you* conflating *your* reason to be here
967316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:05:13.2260000-05:00with others'
968547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:05:17.2330000-05:00@Draco you can ... just don't expect accommodation ala a fully-equipped kitchen, lounge, super-comfortable chairs, the freedom to *claim* spots within the space, nor toleration of displacing other members who are just here to get work done👍 (4)
969262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:05:19.0050000-05:00I'm saying we can have both
970316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:05:32.9590000-05:00> I'm saying we can have both @Draco we already have it within reason
971316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:05:47.7180000-05:00what people have been calling "community loss" is their loss of a free ride☝️ (3)
972316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:05:49.9170000-05:00which we never were
973262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:06:00.0140000-05:00I'm not talking about a free ride or living at the space
974316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:06:00.9910000-05:00but people tried to make it
975262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:06:16.5340000-05:00I'm talking about interest groups/meetings
976194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:06:18.7450000-05:00We could have had both. But people decided to make it their living spaces and showed that we were wasting money on supporting their living habits
977262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:06:18.7530000-05:00meetups
978316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:06:25.9030000-05:00and we have those, and nothing stops them
979262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:06:36.0480000-05:00Except support
980316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:06:41.2740000-05:00except they do
981262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:06:47.1730000-05:00I think we can do better with supporting them
982316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:06:56.1500000-05:00except we already do a lot
983547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:06:59.2920000-05:00they wanted a farking outdoor gas grill on the north side and likely 240V outdoor outlets
984316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:07:02.6960000-05:00nothing is missing from that perspective
985479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:07:07.9550000-05:00> I think we can do better with supporting them @Draco supporting who?
986316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:07:09.1710000-05:00except the unreasonable
987262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:07:36.4710000-05:00@Patrickpleez1 Supporting meetups or interest groups ...
988262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:07:44.0620000-05:00for social collaboration
989316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:07:56.8700000-05:00still not saying what support is "missing"
990479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:08:15.1060000-05:00You mean like the writing group you used@to have meet here?
991189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:08:16.3190000-05:00how about use committee funds to have a pizza party for the meetings, that'd get community involvment
992316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:08:19.1200000-05:00we already provide meeting spaces, calendar, mailing lists, etc etc👍 (1)
993547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:08:22.5190000-05:00@Draco you can already indulge in your notions of community as-is. there's nothing to prevent you from spending 4, 8, 12, 16 hours a day at the Space
994262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:08:30.2420000-05:00No DMS acknowledges them .. but I think there can be much more to enable them
995194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:08:33.4510000-05:00Next he's going to say we should allow alcohol at the space again
996316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:08:35.5160000-05:00> how about use committee funds to have a pizza party for the meetings, that'd get community involvment @themitch22 oh yeah, this large pizza was a meeting that was consumed off site
997316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:08:39.2380000-05:00people ruined it for us
998316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:09:10.2700000-05:00> No DMS acknowledges them .. but I think there can be much more to enable them @Draco you're again just being vague and not actually giving an example. Note the several concrete examples above of how we already support and enable them
999479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:09:30.4710000-05:00> they wanted a farking outdoor gas grill on the north side and likely 240V outdoor outlets @ESmith who wanted these things?
1000547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:09:39.4090000-05:00Stan at first
1001262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:09:48.0600000-05:00See there is even push back on me wanting to promote them here .. you all jump to alcohol or a fully-functioning kitchen? Why do you jump that far?
1002547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:09:51.3720000-05:00I'm sure Adnan *et al* were all for it too
1003479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:10:10.0170000-05:00Yeah. We can’t have that crap.
1004479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:10:21.9280000-05:00I am not for living at the space.
1005385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-29T01:10:28.7580000-05:00Adnan lived at the space
1006316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:10:35.6680000-05:00> See there is even push back on me wanting to promote them here .. you all jump to alcohol or a fully-functioning kitchen? Why do you jump that far? @Draco because you've yet to state anything that's actually missing, and historically when this comes up it's all been unreasonable requests like those
1007262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:10:49.1120000-05:00Why is Interest Groups/Meetup == living at the space now ... @Patrickpleez1
1008547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:10:53.8310000-05:00@Draco because that was the take-away last time. But please offer concrete suggestions that don't revolve around quasi-*residency*☝️ (1)
1009194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:10:58.0020000-05:00Coul lived *inside* the space
1010479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:11:22.9100000-05:00> Why is Interest Groups/Meetup == living at the space now ... @Patrickpleez1 @Draco this is separate than what I’m taking to @ESmith about.
1011262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:11:29.5440000-05:00oh ok
1012547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:11:35.7220000-05:00Nothing drives away the normies **that are our core demo** like the sight of people actually or nearly living at DMS💯 (2)
1013262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:12:16.1120000-05:00I think if the space was close to an RV park it would have been great ... tell everyone to go there and walk to the space
1014343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-29T01:12:16.3580000-05:00@Patrickpleez1 where is a copy of the video you guys made?
1015189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:12:26.0770000-05:00So what exactly are you arguing about @Draco
1016316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:12:38.4290000-05:00> > I think if the space was close to an RV park it would have been great ... tell everyone to go there and walk to the space > @Draco great for a very small subset of members, but not much of anyone else
1017479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:12:43.5740000-05:00> @Patrickpleez1 where is a copy of the video you guys made? @ferricyanide which one?
1018189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:12:45.1010000-05:00committee meetings and interest groups can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't break the by-laws
1019479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:12:59.4050000-05:00> Coul lived *inside* the space @pearce have I met this person?
1020194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:13:12.6670000-05:00wears the fancy red cowboy hat
1021194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:13:20.1090000-05:00has a big dog
1022194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:13:25.1670000-05:00was pr chair
1023547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:13:30.0870000-05:00I mean, honestly, what do you want to do to *encourage community* other than nebulous *do more?*
1024316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:13:35.5040000-05:00> So what exactly are you arguing about @Draco @themitch22 who knows; like usual refuses to give anything concrete. Something something we don't support sigs/meetups then when it's pointed out we do says well we don't enable them then when we point out we do rambles off. WHo knows at this point.
1025189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:13:37.9490000-05:00Sandy Lake RV park is $500/mo for a spot and that's close, then two walmarts near by
1026479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:13:40.3900000-05:00> wears the fancy red cowboy hat @pearce don’t think I’ve ever met him.
1027189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:14:07.3450000-05:00oh yeah Coul did he get banned or just dissapeared?
1028262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:14:08.6800000-05:00@themitch22 ... I'm getting resistance to most anything that even comes close to support social collaboration because there is a knee jerk reaction from them jumping to living at the space
1029385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-29T01:14:09.1180000-05:00> I think if the space was close to an RV park it would have been great ... tell everyone to go there and walk to the space @Draco The Space is near cheap motels. We already have members who live there and walk over.
1030316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:14:23.0830000-05:00@themitch22 just went off
1031343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-29T01:14:59.1960000-05:00The one from the picture it looked like you guys had lab coats and kevin t
1032316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:14:59.5100000-05:00> @themitch22 ... I'm getting resistance to most anything that even comes close to support social collaboration because there is a knee jerk reaction from them jumping to living at the space @Draco because you won't give us an example of something we don't already do, and because of that it reverts to what the discussion last time around was for "supporting" and "enabling" more groups
1033385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-29T01:15:00.5710000-05:00> oh yeah Coul did he get banned or just dissapeared? @themitch22 disappeared. But he's a Mark Havens in the making. Someone who should have been banned, but is likely to return.
1034316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:15:03.4960000-05:00you keep making this complaint
1035316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:15:26.3510000-05:00despite the fact we do support and enable SIGs/meetups, and you can't think of anything to actually suggest we do more
1036547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:15:30.0340000-05:00@Draco > I'm getting resistance to most anything that even comes close to support social collaboration because there is a knee jerk reaction from them jumping to living at the space Because about all the details you seem to offer are oblique harkback to *how things used to be*
1037194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:15:51.8340000-05:00but not far enough back
1038547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:15:52.8020000-05:00thus, we all look back to problems that we've gotten past
1039194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:16:02.8060000-05:00still under the hold my beer board
1040262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:16:46.3750000-05:00How about a website like meetup for makers? How about not thinking of an interest group as a mini-committee or a committee as a large interest group?
1041189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:16:51.8070000-05:00I'm guessing because group meetings and stuff end up getting into space politics and drama, Is that's why you quit@Draco ?
1042262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:17:43.2470000-05:00I quit for finance reasons and because I was getting alot of flack from certain people and decided to not come back because I saw some people get banned.
1043316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:18:12.7260000-05:00> How about a website like meetup for makers? How about not thinking of an interest group as a mini-committee or a committee as a large interest group? @Draco We already provide support for non SIG interest groups and meetings. Look at that robotics group that comes in. They can talk shop on our forum, they can ask for a mailing list etc. they can use our calendar to schedule events
1044189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:18:15.9990000-05:00SIG - no money/space allocated, committee - space and money allocation. I agree that meetup.com would be a good way to advertise for classes and meetups for DMS publically.
1045316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:18:26.4960000-05:00how about actually suggesting something *we don't already do*☝️ (1)
1046262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:19:20.7600000-05:00If you already do it .. great .. what is the website?
1047189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:19:22.9910000-05:00DPRG is grandfathered into support but yeah I agree we do support SIG's
1048189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:19:52.9010000-05:00calendar.dallasmakerspace.org
1049189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:20:11.3730000-05:00it would be great to have meetups.com integration with our calendar
1050262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:20:12.3790000-05:00umm that would be a poor meetup.com
1051189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:20:48.2310000-05:00surprisingly a lot of people come from those sites.💯 (1)
1052262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:20:59.6670000-05:00oh nothing wrong with the actual meetup com
1053547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:21:01.5800000-05:00@Draco no sympathy on "people getting banned".
1054189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:21:04.3090000-05:00this is sounding more like a PR thing and not DMS thing
1055189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:21:11.2970000-05:00well DMS PR
1056385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-29T01:21:38.3650000-05:00> ... and decided to not come back because I saw some people get banned. @Draco so you have a problem with thieves and drunks and belligerents being shown the door?
1057262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:22:00.0460000-05:00I do have a problem with thieves and drunks and belligerents at the space
1058189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:22:03.2800000-05:00well nacho, but the rest I definitely think deserved it.
1059547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:22:19.2390000-05:00Nothing like some ol fisticuffs and drug-induced outbursts to frighten off the normiesdms (2)
1060479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:22:25.4840000-05:00> @Draco so you have a problem with thieves and drunks and belligerents being shown the door? @stephenie no one should have an issue with people who deserve it getting the boot.
1061479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:22:53.6810000-05:00> Nothing like some ol fisticuffs and drug-induced outbursts to frighten off the normies @ESmith I can’t agree to this statement enough.
1062385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-29T01:23:14.2030000-05:00@Patrickpleez1 apparently Draco does have a problem...he said that's why he quit.
1063189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:23:17.6020000-05:00DMS fightclub events only happen off premises.
1064262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:23:31.3930000-05:00but I also have a problem with the authoritarian and fault based ideals that keep being perpetuated .. an atmosphere of bans .. mmmm
1065189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:23:52.3990000-05:00who's fault?
1066316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:24:01.6540000-05:00> oh nothing wrong with the actual meetup com @Draco which is what I said. There isn't a need to make a replacement. Writing software for our own version of it, when the actual one works just fine, is nothing more than a waste of time with an inferior result, that requires ongoing maintenance.
1067547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:24:02.0810000-05:00I mean, *be excellent to one another* suggests we should expect better behavior than you encounter at the post office, a public park, or in line at the megalomart
1068479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:24:05.7600000-05:00> but I also have a problem with the authoritarian and fault based ideals that keep being perpetuated .. an atmosphere of bans .. mmmm @Draco the people who get the boot usually deserve the damn boot...
1069262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:24:16.0440000-05:00Pointing out faults ... being captious
1070194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:24:27.7110000-05:00people keep yelling about an increase in bans. but they dont seem to understand that with more members, more shitbags come in💯 (4)
1071262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:24:33.4330000-05:00I see a ton of that this past year
1072547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:25:06.0300000-05:00> but I also have a problem with the authoritarian and fault based ideals that keep being perpetuated .. an atmosphere of bans .. mmmm So we're supposed to do what with thieves, drunks, aggressive people?
1073316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:25:12.6630000-05:00> and unlike the prior board when a complaint came in they didn't sit on it
1074479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:25:23.6300000-05:00@Draco because when numbers grow so do problems. It’s math.
1075547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:25:26.8090000-05:00bring in a facilitator with an acoustic guitar?🎸 (1)
1076194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:25:28.3490000-05:00and having to enforce all the rules that the hold my beer board decided not to enforce at all
1077316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:25:36.0590000-05:00we had a member that operated the lift with someone's head in it and was willfully causing damage, and the prior board just silently ignored it.
1078189645236908064768themitch222020-03-29T01:25:54.8910000-05:00I think some of this happened in the past two years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory👍 (1)
1079262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:26:00.5760000-05:00The problem with drunks/theives/etc didn't happen suddenly
1080316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:26:03.2010000-05:00we had several fire alarms caused by drunk members they chose to ignore, even when their drunken antics caused more serious problems
1081479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:26:11.5870000-05:00> we had a member that operated the lift with someone's head in it and was willfully causing damage, and the prior board just silently ignored it. @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium What. The. Fuck
1082316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:26:15.0860000-05:00no, but we have a board that enforces the rules
1083262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:26:15.4420000-05:00but it was addressed suddently
1084316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:26:24.5280000-05:00> @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium What. The. Fuck @Patrickpleez1 aye
1085262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:26:26.3290000-05:00and harshly
1086316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:26:40.6810000-05:00the glorious "master mechanic" that if I ever see their face again I will ensure it's not in automotive
1087547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:26:41.6100000-05:00@themitch22 we haven't been *looking* for people to make examples of
1088385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-29T01:26:52.5470000-05:00> The problem with drunks/theives/etc didn't happen suddenly @Draco right. The HoldMyBeer(tm) Board ignored them, were friends with them.
1089262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:27:28.8750000-05:00So you cleaned house, did you?
1090262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T01:27:30.8000000-05:00!members
1091306874939535917066dallas-makerspace#47632020-03-29T01:27:30.9910000-05:00There are currently 1779 members.
1092316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:27:34.3550000-05:00@Draco kinda what happens with perpetual thieves, violent members, constantly abusing equipment even after being banned from said equipment, sexual assault, the list goes on
1093547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:27:46.5460000-05:00@Draco "I don't like it" is fine, but just admit that's more or less all you've got
1094316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:28:10.8530000-05:00previous president was too busy conspiring against other board members and robbing the space to bother dealing with them☝️ (5)
1095385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-29T01:29:06.7350000-05:00> So you cleaned house, did you? @Draco That about sums it up.
1096194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:29:35.0580000-05:00and better members are coming back because of it💯 (5)
1097343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-29T01:30:17.3390000-05:00Who was this "master mechanic"
1098479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:30:36.9010000-05:00Also, this is the longest conversation and most I’ve used talk.
1099479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:30:39.7570000-05:00Discord
1100316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:31:19.3500000-05:00don't know his name, but will recognize the face if I ever see him again. Kris didn't bother getting his name, didn't bother handling it at all. I had originally grabbed a director because of the fact it was escalation with the guy screaming in automotive
1101194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:31:34.2090000-05:00> Who was this "master mechanic" @ferricyanide ? i missed the post
1102316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:32:02.5600000-05:00just asec
1103316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:32:19.2510000-05:00> we had a member that operated the lift with someone's head in it and was willfully causing damage, and the prior board just silently ignored it.
1104316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:32:24.7600000-05:00@pearce
1105385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-29T01:32:57.9340000-05:00Oh, and who can forget Kris letting Grant use 102 without a certificate of occupancy? Then harassing Ethan for confronting her?☝️ (3)
1106385477767179010049stephenie.2020-03-29T01:33:12.8570000-05:00Fish rots from the head down
1107194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:33:30.4310000-05:00micheal lass used to be at the space a bunch, and came back recently. sounds like him. he talked a lot about being a master mechanic
1108316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:33:54.7090000-05:00I haven't seen the guy in like a year
1109316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T01:34:03.8680000-05:00we've had a few "master mechanics" in auto
1110479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:35:13.1530000-05:00> micheal lass used to be at the space a bunch, and came back recently. sounds like him. he talked a lot about being a master mechanic @pearce I don’t know if that would be him or not. He doesn’t give off the vibe a being an ass much.
1111194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:35:37.1050000-05:00generally you are correct, but he gets heated
1112194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T01:36:02.5180000-05:00he would also be hammered at the space and try to work on cars while they were on jacks
1113479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T01:36:06.2870000-05:00> generally you are correct, but he gets heated @pearce could be. And I’ve seen that side a time or two.
1114547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T01:36:59.3820000-05:00at least that guy that used to hang around machine shop hammered doesn't seem to be around any more. had trouble *walking around corners* routinely.💯 (1)
1115343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-29T02:06:14.6180000-05:00had trouble *walking around corners* routinely. @ESmith
1116343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-03-29T02:06:25.2220000-05:00I feel attacked
1117300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-03-29T09:44:42.1010000-05:00If you want a Social Club there is a IRS specific non-profit for it 501 (c)(7)
1118300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-03-29T09:53:08.5910000-05:00Oh, my this was a funny read this morning
1119547106163842613259nullinterface2020-03-29T10:06:48.5460000-05:00Arguably, 501c7 is *what we are* already
1120306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T11:54:05.1630000-05:00I went to bed too early.
1121306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T12:01:43.9800000-05:00Is Tapper a member again?
1122316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T12:30:44.9770000-05:00apparently he is not. I knew he stopped showing up but didn't realize he dropped it
1123316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-03-29T12:30:47.7090000-05:00gonna fix that
1124400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T17:10:10.0060000-05:00@SewingStuff If you could keep your worthless posts to this thread or off-topic and out of the computer committee thread it would be mildly appropriate. Thanks🤡 (1)
1125306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T17:10:50.9300000-05:00Tough guy Raffi is going to send me a PM about this guys. I’d better watch out!
1126400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T17:12:49.6180000-05:00I blocked you so you're going to try to have fun on your own now 👋
1127306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T17:14:02.1970000-05:00Heartbreaking
1128479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T17:18:17.4020000-05:00What did I miss to cause that?
1129306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T17:19:09.7140000-05:00I posted a clown picture in the mostly unused computer committee channel and he flipped his red wig and PMed me, posted two dumb posts in two channels, and blocked me. Lol
1130479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T17:20:22.8750000-05:00Interesting. That doesn’t seem like “excellent” behavior. These channels dint get used too often as whole. Any post is a good post here. We all just shoot the shit.
1131479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T17:20:31.2560000-05:00Don’t
1132306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T17:20:35.0650000-05:00This was after he wasted everyone’s time for days defending Mark Havens then posted some dumb post about how he didn’t really trust him he was just defending him for days.
1133306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T17:21:16.9680000-05:00I think it’s pretty comical. Raffi was a lot better when he just confined his activities to his dead committee.
1134479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T17:21:39.7460000-05:00Yeah. Mark messaged me about revoking my nomination of him.
1135479838014848368650patrickpleez12020-03-29T17:24:30.3550000-05:00When I found out what happened after years of him being very coy about what happened, I had no choice but to hold my integrity.💯 (4),👏 (2)
1136540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-29T17:42:37.5010000-05:00@DJ Vance I mean I'd wish you'd understand how it's not appropriate to write 4 seperate posts in a row on a single topic, but hey we don't always get what we want.☝️ (3)
1137306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T17:44:32.6690000-05:00You better be careful or you’re going to get a tough guy PM and a block too because Raffi is totally serious.
1138529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-29T21:22:28.7950000-05:00Can we all get blocked by people who make us roll our eyes?🙋‍♀️ (4)
1139306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T21:35:43.0420000-05:00I got a pretty good laugh out of it.
1140306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T21:36:34.2470000-05:00I kind of expected it though. I’m surprised it took so long. Lol
1141540021655909695488michaelb52502020-03-29T22:06:19.5500000-05:00Is being blocked a threat? Or a promise?
1142306262594434629632engpin19642020-03-29T22:07:22.7440000-05:00I don’t see why he should flip his lid
1143306262594434629632engpin19642020-03-29T22:07:38.9660000-05:00I’m tempted to post a clown in there too now
1144306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T22:07:51.7170000-05:00It’s really a reward, if you think about it.
1145306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T22:08:50.3110000-05:00I mean he should be grateful since I was the only one who responded and he did ask for a meme and that is one of the first results for “clown meme”
1146306262594434629632engpin19642020-03-29T22:09:04.3010000-05:00Yeah
1147194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T22:09:05.0140000-05:00hey lets keep discord better than talk👍 (1)
1148306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T22:09:11.9360000-05:00Aw Dad.
1149306262594434629632engpin19642020-03-29T22:09:29.2260000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/694020448161366056/image0.gif?ex=67b93fe9&is=67b7ee69&hm=a940f639c37518b4144fb18d037eb17049fe5df20a378922abe008113a3c86a3&💯 (1)
1150194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T22:09:37.7590000-05:00but if you want emotes yall gotta post em so i can add them
1151306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T22:09:41.8070000-05:00That is exactly my reaction. Lol
1152488485682184978442yashsedai2020-03-29T22:47:00.7510000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/694029891930292334/b49.png?ex=67b948b4&is=67b7f734&hm=efb535d0f72da43a4291b9e3cf1fabe3140797c739e6a41d1d0144eb6ca349bf&
1153306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T22:51:06.2510000-05:00I assume we aren’t going to start meltdown Monday at midnight tonight?
1154262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T23:01:06.5720000-05:00Meltdown Monday? It's DMS Afterhours! https://coub.com/view/2b0hj2
1155262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-29T23:07:32.4950000-05:00Get your dancewear on ... let loose @SewingStuff ...
1156400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T23:16:07.6330000-05:00I'm going to need some emotes @pearce
1157400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T23:16:21.9800000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/694037278812536935/Screenshot_20200329-225932__01__01__01__07.jpg?ex=67b94f95&is=67b7fe15&hm=309f6905697ff35709e10456a9a59ecfdf7e1272b0e63c069fe47aef04390715&
1158400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T23:16:28.9190000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/694037308424585266/Screenshot_20200329-225932__01__01__01__05.jpg?ex=67b94f9c&is=67b7fe1c&hm=7dc26c29cbd34b151e4027d326905c2f613bc72e367689cdff0719883bce0001&
1159400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T23:16:40.6730000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/694037357673840671/Screenshot_20200329-225932__01.jpg?ex=67b94fa8&is=67b7fe28&hm=42d2c0570dfb3dc99884975c6ce051ec64daf51ce1608e74f836ab9b231612dc&
1160400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T23:16:46.7600000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/694037383133266031/Screenshot_20200329-225932__01__01__01__01.jpg?ex=67b94fae&is=67b7fe2e&hm=55a953b5cbfa126c0bae80f58c2d41358eb68095d64cce0d3719b498070069c1&
1161400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T23:16:50.7200000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/694037399826858104/Screenshot_20200329-225932__01__01__01__04.jpg?ex=67b94fb2&is=67b7fe32&hm=7f236c697f2c22f826bb8c1f276349e64ab08882c6cd8c0d5eae403dcb467c72&
1162194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T23:17:09.8120000-05:00https://tenor.com/view/tiny-text-gif-5154350😂 (1),🤣 (1)
1163194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T23:17:16.7770000-05:00is all you are going to get
1164194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T23:17:21.9840000-05:00:thatsbait:
1165400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T23:17:24.6400000-05:00here's the template in case you guys want to add some valuable ones:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/694037541908774982/Screenshot_20200329-225932__01__01__01.jpg?ex=67b94fd4&is=67b7fe54&hm=dfed329cf8719709f400e95e8fcc16dbabbbc1cd99ed5cf9d384dfd8e79b8c60&🤡 (1)
1166194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T23:17:28.1290000-05:00they show up that big
1167194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T23:17:38.7320000-05:00:dumpsterfire:
1168400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T23:17:39.9910000-05:00I'm okay with that
1169194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T23:17:43.8380000-05:00im not
1170194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T23:17:47.5320000-05:00standards yo
1171400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T23:18:03.2370000-05:00ok
1172194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T23:18:31.9790000-05:00:wtfdyjsamyls:
1173194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T23:18:38.9940000-05:00you could make a gif tho
1174194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T23:18:58.7740000-05:00:YouTried:
1175306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T23:19:20.5330000-05:00I’ve got clown which is apparently all I need latelytrollface (1)
1176400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T23:22:21.1970000-05:00I think I'll just use them as-is
1177400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T23:22:28.2800000-05:00not as emotes
1178400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T23:24:11.9710000-05:00Looks like I missed out on another worthless message
1179400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-03-29T23:24:15.6440000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/694039265859862528/unknown.png?ex=67b9516f&is=67b7ffef&hm=e55ac00d770ff3d798c8e679d05961a2d9a0a3575d2e3f8f2706d4ab61852cb4&
1180306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-29T23:25:17.2940000-05:00Meltdown Monday startin’ early this week
1181194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-29T23:25:32.8000000-05:00only 35 mins
1182306262594434629632engpin19642020-03-29T23:46:06.3930000-05:00https://tenor.com/view/panic-attack-gif-7210501
1183262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-30T00:01:06.7280000-05:00It's midnight!
1184194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-30T00:01:43.9720000-05:00I DISAGREE
1185306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-30T00:01:54.5520000-05:00I need a tiny little nuclear reactor
1186262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-30T00:02:16.7300000-05:00It was when I posted if the stupid lag had not happened
1187194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-30T00:02:28.3200000-05:00https://tenor.com/view/start-nuclear-reactor-gif-8399929
1188262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-30T00:02:42.3640000-05:00What is with this lag
1189194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-30T00:03:03.4000000-05:00discord is getting a lot of stress testing now days
1190227585388544393219axeonos2020-03-30T00:05:31.5560000-05:00☣️ ☢️ 🚫 ♾️ 🔇 🏴‍☠️ 🗞️ 🖍️
1191227585388544393219axeonos2020-03-30T00:06:11.0730000-05:00🖍️ 🍴
1192306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-30T00:06:26.1010000-05:00Ooh crayon is a good one.
1193262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-03-30T00:06:26.4890000-05:00We need more positive like the DMS logo one
1194227585388544393219axeonos2020-03-30T00:06:49.7280000-05:00Then make them
1195306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-30T00:07:05.3750000-05:00A red stapler would also be appropriate at times.
1196227585388544393219axeonos2020-03-30T00:07:42.8170000-05:00Admins can add emojis but their not mind readers
1197194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-03-30T00:08:23.9390000-05:00also not digital artists
1198227585388544393219axeonos2020-03-30T00:09:08.8710000-05:00You do well with your art....
1199529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-03-30T00:37:01.9800000-05:00What does a stapler signify? If I do Art for a pie-in-the-face, would you actually use it?
1200306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-03-30T00:40:21.5430000-05:00https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd4fj9Efl4s
1201262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-04-01T03:23:22.9430000-05:00Idea: ... lets move the space to Garland!
1202262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-04-01T03:24:04.4000000-05:00j/k
1203306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-04-01T20:28:20.0880000-05:00@Draco why are you clowning it up on Talk today?trollface (1)
1204194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-04-01T20:34:31.4460000-05:00He's gotta make sure acme can get their rent via donations for covid
1205306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-04-01T20:39:43.2100000-05:00I am getting a chance to trot out my old faithful eye roll emoji.
1206545650746838745089lavarocks.2020-04-01T21:04:32.0740000-05:00Is draco even helping them at all or doing what he normally does and just fights behind the keyboard?🤘 (1)
1207545650746838745089lavarocks.2020-04-01T21:05:38.1600000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/695091542880157726/c9f80ae0648ba4563bec53ead789e98f.jpg?ex=67b930f1&is=67b7df71&hm=79e8c0626fa717b660914807fb632675c54a1e62ecd0be8c2608682450d60f2d&
1208545650746838745089lavarocks.2020-04-01T21:08:28.3460000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/695092256901693589/e2e.jpg?ex=67b9319c&is=67b7e01c&hm=b2ba989c75a6edcb25e130c6960f9458cdb34ffc9f3fc6743e709251861594bf&
1209306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-04-01T22:01:25.4670000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/695105582989836298/image0.png?ex=67b93e05&is=67b7ec85&hm=1b73894bb2460cb5e82df2ef8c8723ec6fcb1c3e29e5e6e01db6c348fe22acf1&
1210306540648234876928sewingstuff25612020-04-01T22:01:43.3120000-05:00An actual picture of Draco😆 (3),thatsbait (1),trollface (1)
1211529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-04-09T16:25:48.6540000-05:00So. Random query indicative of nothing more than curiosity. What are the numbers for members with voting privileges looking like these days @ESmith ?
1212547106163842613259nullinterface2020-04-09T16:31:53.7980000-05:00It was 290 last time I checked
1213300083517877125121andrew51522020-04-09T19:30:14.6930000-05:00appears to be ~301, if my count is accurate...
1214529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-04-09T19:43:22.1930000-05:00I was sorta hoping the number was shrinking...
1215300083517877125121andrew51522020-04-09T20:00:19.1510000-05:00I"m guessing if we've bothered getting voting rights, we're hardcore...
1216300083517877125121andrew51522020-04-09T20:00:21.9310000-05:00😄
1217540021655909695488michaelb52502020-04-09T20:05:13.2400000-05:00That was my thought
1218456226577798135808Deleted User2020-04-13T22:03:33.0060000-05:00Folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19s9vdL9lWloWb3MYZNR2x4QbBXMsTg3B?usp=sharing Timeline: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1CXd0666LjrdN4sa9QnX7Ptlc851uQKjFsbNYZPH3XTE
1219488485682184978442yashsedai2020-04-13T22:14:06.7780000-05:00Raffi
1220488485682184978442yashsedai2020-04-13T22:14:10.4390000-05:00Go away🤫 (1)
1221488485682184978442yashsedai2020-04-13T22:14:30.8310000-05:00Stop throwing a tantrum🤫 (1),💯 (1)
1222456226577798135808Deleted User2020-04-13T22:28:31.5660000-05:00Unwilling to Accept Someone's Reality (aka disagreeing)https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/699461056552108052/Screen_Shot_2020-04-13_at_10.27.54_PM.png?ex=67b9445f&is=67b7f2df&hm=f9e76f8b4c089174f1f8f2f4643e26b404c1a75f2ede6e4f445c9e76fec8b53a&
1223343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-04-13T22:30:22.2470000-05:00We don't want it here either. Learn when to let it go.🤫 (1),☝️ (1)
1224343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-04-13T22:30:40.8440000-05:00You're annoying
1225488485682184978442yashsedai2020-04-13T22:33:56.4470000-05:00Raffi, we aren't sympathetic to your digging of your own hole. Take your silence and be silent
1226488485682184978442yashsedai2020-04-13T22:34:28.1810000-05:00Otherwise, I'm sure quite a few of us can appeal to this discord server's owner that you are being a dick and you can get another vacay
1227343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-04-13T22:35:12.8830000-05:00I think he had made a new account
1228488485682184978442yashsedai2020-04-13T22:35:30.4520000-05:00o.0
1229488485682184978442yashsedai2020-04-13T22:35:35.3160000-05:00Evading a ban?
1230488485682184978442yashsedai2020-04-13T22:36:01.0530000-05:00you are quite correct
1231488485682184978442yashsedai2020-04-13T22:36:17.1280000-05:00@pearce
1232456226577798135808Deleted User2020-04-13T22:43:59.8720000-05:00I'm not avoiding anything. AFAIK my other account is not silenced, that was a 24 hour thing, but that's probably too pedantic, right Frederick?
1233456226577798135808Deleted User2020-04-13T22:44:44.6070000-05:00Seems like some gymnasts are going to put on a show
1234488485682184978442yashsedai2020-04-13T22:45:58.6360000-05:00So why did you make a new account?👆 (1)
1235488485682184978442yashsedai2020-04-13T22:46:10.8470000-05:00Why not use your existing one?
1236488485682184978442yashsedai2020-04-13T22:46:20.0010000-05:00Could it be that you received a silence?🤡 (1)
1237400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-04-13T22:48:40.7310000-05:00no
1238400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-04-13T22:48:52.1230000-05:00lol
1239456226577798135808Deleted User2020-04-13T22:49:00.3190000-05:00🤸‍♂️
1240488485682184978442yashsedai2020-04-13T22:49:48.2030000-05:00hrm, allow me to fix that problem for myself
1241400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-04-13T22:50:46.7920000-05:00🤫
1242343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-04-13T22:58:36.2010000-05:00You have been told no, why not just go to acme like everyone else that wants to do something?👆 (2),🤫 (1),👍 (1)
1243545650746838745089lavarocks.2020-04-13T23:02:56.8000000-05:00Apparently DMS was Raffi's snickers bar.
1244456226577798135808Deleted User2020-04-13T23:05:07.9650000-05:00I wish I could have a snickers bar...
1245568651370820010004ex__machina2020-04-15T17:44:19.7120000-05:00For my edification ferricyanide is who?
1246194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-04-15T17:45:38.0500000-05:00chair of science
1247194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-04-15T17:45:54.9070000-05:00i dont think ive ever caught a name, but i know the face
1248371416661040955403talkers2020-04-15T17:58:16.3710000-05:00Adair
1249275811959545266179melnick94802020-04-24T19:29:32.2990000-05:00@john a gorman hi
1250262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-04-30T23:41:40.6370000-05:00Argue... Argue... Politics .. Discuss .. Cuss .. Possible Solution .. Possible Solution Shot Down .. Argue .. Name Call .. Ban
1251262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-04-30T23:44:07.8590000-05:00Sounds happy to me 😞
1252547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-01T09:59:51.6110000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/705795630706196501/unknown.png?ex=67b93da7&is=67b7ec27&hm=1d34d586ae2853c85f925f4488fd0787dfe88dd2b766c43ede02738a7831097d&❤️ (5)
1253262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-05-01T12:31:18.2890000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/705833743495200858/post1.PNG?ex=67b96126&is=67b80fa6&hm=0727ab15331ae6457f673a70849ee307c3687eb4094eb1beb009808561cb785c&❤️ (1)
1254400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-09T18:06:19.3430000-05:00Hearing every complaint and having a public meeting to ban those who violate the process is a much more transparent process than having the board be able to dismiss any complaint with absolute discretion. Especially with complaints where the board has a preexisting relationship with the person complaining and recommending a solution or the person tye complaint is filed against, since that creates a conflict of interest. Our feedback loop for the board and leadership right now consists of a vote once a year and the complaint/recommended solution process. I think that getting rid of the complaint process, or making it possible for all complaints to be quietly dismissed, is a bad idea. It further weakens the suboptimal feedback loop we have.
1255262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-05-09T19:06:07.1820000-05:00A future board member has someone give them a Formal Complaint .. they may decide to trash it with the other four board members never hearing a word of it. That is why they need to hear it in a board meeting and not be able to ignore it. Plus, there needs to be a record.👍 (1)
1256262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-05-09T19:10:41.4600000-05:00It is super simple to dismiss Formal Complaints in board meetings ... less than a minute👍 (1)
1257400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-14T12:56:30.4390000-05:00I never thought I'd see myself on the same side of an argument as Nick Sainz. Guess I'm not the only one though. Here we can see a board member's response to when Jim and I were arguing on his SOI thread. This was part of an email notifying me of my two week silencing.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/710551126726017064/Screenshot_20200514-125348.jpg?ex=67b9670e&is=67b8158e&hm=a74b0c1307dd7b1b0d425e180c8627ac5b215413155a9f2102d8d0f5e5da81bc&
1258488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-14T13:09:23.9640000-05:00Never thought I'd see you'd demonstrate behavior that has come close to certain folks thinking you needed a welfare check.👆 (3)
1259545650746838745089lavarocks.2020-05-14T13:37:43.2020000-05:00Yeah, heard many people comment that you used to be pretty cool in person but quaratine made you kinda wacky.
1260300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-05-14T13:52:03.8720000-05:00Yes some things got prioritized and some are sitting till a board meeting.
1261604867525423005738noble_goblin2020-05-15T05:01:29.4230000-05:00I mean, I understand why you're being put in time out. I think this isolation has gotten to you. You've been quite argumentative and abrasive lately.
1262604867525423005738noble_goblin2020-05-15T09:08:53.8670000-05:00If Raffi gets a two week time out then why has Chris Fazio not been given the same treatment?
1263488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-15T09:12:58.0270000-05:00cause while Chris is annoying af, he didnt keep breaking the rules
1264604867525423005738noble_goblin2020-05-15T09:19:32.9330000-05:00A girl can dream.
1265604867525423005738noble_goblin2020-05-15T09:19:39.4430000-05:00But that is fair.
1266316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-05-15T12:51:34.9300000-05:00yeah, Chris has overall been annoying, but he's currently following the rules in terms of not spamming the place. His opinions are his own etc etc, as long as he's not opening threads about them left and right and spamming copy/pasta
1267400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T17:23:51.2580000-05:00Freddy, I don't know what you're talking about with the welfare check. Maybe I missed something, but I have no problem paying my bills. I thought it was very revealing when someone said they thought I relied on the space to make money lol. As for the quarantine wackiness narrative: I've gotten positive feedback on the Dallas Coder Night thing I've been doing online during the quarantine. I've had a great time at philosophy every week. However, I definitely get very pissed off when people use bullshit arguments, like when Andrew LeCody asserted that 500g of Crisco with some unknown amount of weed in it found in Mark Havens' home was worth $10,000. Or when the board said that not having a meeting was in accordance with the rules, which it clearly wasn't. It also pisses me off when people abuse their power, e. g. Jim, Michael, and Freddy closing the PPE thread and then all the threads where I question that decision and other abuses of power. The one exception was Jim's SOI, but in that case I got silenced for two weeks, so I was silenced a different way. I also get pissed when people antagonize me, like when Sewing Stuff kept calling me a clown and even took it into the computer committee channel on here. That one really got to me. You guys can push that narrative all you want, and it sure is an easy way to dismiss everything I'm saying, but that's all it is: a way of dismissing. It doesn't actually refute anything I've said, though you might think it explains what my mood has been like. Jim, I haven't spammed. You closed the PPE thread right after I replied to it. I got silenced after criticizing you on your SOI thread. My first post when I came back, about the abuses of power, was closed. That prompted me to try again to have an open conversation, which was met with a prompt thread closure, which prompted.. and so forth until I was banned from Talk for 6 months. You can't silence someone fro the get-go and then say that you banned them for spamming.
1268115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:31:34.9550000-05:00look man, I went off what Haven's arrest paperwork said, chill out
1269115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:32:04.3300000-05:00I assume you were there, that's how you know for a fact the content/purity
1270400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T17:32:18.5270000-05:00It never said 10 grand, and I don't think even you believed that figure.
1271115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:32:32.7760000-05:00it specified an amount of hash oil
1272400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T17:32:45.3760000-05:00lol
1273115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:32:47.3490000-05:00I asked someone in the industry how much that amount of hash oil was worth
1274400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T17:32:59.6310000-05:00You're not going to convince me when you yourself don't believe it.
1275115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:33:13.8280000-05:00ok?
1276115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:34:14.2730000-05:00your ability to understand my own motivations, intent and reasoning better than myself is astounding
1277115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:36:34.0640000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/711346383847686254/Havens_Grand_Jury_Indictment_-_Copy.pdf?ex=67b9a8b2&is=67b85732&hm=16a3b0577463f4b5203bd44b987c2c18a67c3d1655e2ffad67a0192b692bbca9&
1278115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:37:46.1050000-05:00"A search of the location revealed 572.53g of Hashish Oil, 1,533.39g of marijuana, a Smith & Wesson 9mm pistol, a Taurus .22 caliber pistol, and several drug paraphernalia items."
1279115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:38:17.3570000-05:00The facts are pretty clear, the police stated they found 572.53g of hashish oil? Are you disputing that?
1280115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:39:22.1210000-05:00I asked someone who works in the legal industry the value of that much oil (though I said only 500g), they said about $10k. Are you disputing that assessment as being incorrect for the amount specified?
1281540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-16T17:39:32.5030000-05:00I'm enjoying this 😂https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/711347132103393310/Capture.PNG?ex=67b9a964&is=67b857e4&hm=fc37bdd15df65cace2648401793cef470476a1710635928173b17bbf6ff72353&🤣 (2)
1282115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:39:39.6640000-05:00🤣
1283540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-16T17:39:54.5160000-05:00Andrew's gone crazy all talking to himself
1284115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:40:33.1190000-05:00I'll admit, the $10k is likely wrong. Since I gave an inaccurately low amount and the person gave me a "ballpark" figure. Though I think it's safe to say it's accurate within a reasonable bounds for the purpose of discussion.
1285115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:41:38.0380000-05:00@DJ Vance You stated authoritatively that it was "500g of Crisco", I assume you must have been present and witnessed it, or perhaps you have some other evidence to backup you claim?
1286343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T17:45:12.7270000-05:00Raffi.... Im pretty such when they said a welcare check. They meant to call and have someone go by your residence to make sure you are doing okay.
1287343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T17:46:40.4370000-05:00https://nationalpolicesupportfund.com/what-are-police-welfare-checks-2/
1288115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:46:56.8670000-05:00haha, ok so for fun I decided to see if I could figure out the "street price" of 1,533.39g of marijuana, and google was quite helpful, it came out to $10,400
1289115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:47:00.0570000-05:00roughly
1290115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:47:07.3160000-05:00https://coloradocannabistours.com/guides/weed-measurements-guide/
1291115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:47:17.6510000-05:00it claims $800 per quarter pound
1292115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:47:32.0940000-05:00I went with the lowest price per gram/pound on the page
1293343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T17:48:13.0590000-05:00Huh, its gone down since the last time i bought a 1/4 pound 😂
1294115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:48:23.2740000-05:001533 grams = 3.379 lbs, 3.379 / 0.25 = 13.516 quarter pounds, 13 x 800 = $10,400
1295115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:48:32.3020000-05:00I rounded down to be safe
1296115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:48:58.0630000-05:00@DJ Vance are you more comfortable with this valuation?
1297115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:50:04.0430000-05:00that page also indicates that 1 gram is enough for a single joint, so the police are saying Mark Havens had 1,533 joints worth of weed. Now I'm not a pothead or any kind of drug expert, but that seems like a lot.
1298343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T17:50:26.0850000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/711349873244373097/Screenshot_20200516-175005.png?ex=67b9abf2&is=67b85a72&hm=a672a1c72af0770a824d2ebb2bfa79268296d8067739ad5e96919064542afcf8&
1299115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:51:13.6620000-05:00lol so the low end price ($20/gram for wholesale) is..... $10k for 500g
1300115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:52:16.8600000-05:00so it was probably _at least_ $10k worth of drugs, which seems a bit more than "just some personal use pot brownies" or whatever the excuse was
1301540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-16T17:53:42.6180000-05:00To play devil's advocate, $20/gram includes process controls, taxes, and probably testing for label requirements.
1302343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T17:54:21.1280000-05:00Also since this is texas and was several years ago, i actually bet it was higher.
1303115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:54:37.4810000-05:00true, regional pricing probably varies a lot
1304115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:55:21.1850000-05:00here's a fun thought experiment, if someone said they had 90 bottles (750ml) of vodka "for personal use", would that seem reasonable?
1305115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:55:47.3600000-05:001 shot in the us is ~44ml, so a 750ml bottle has ~17 shots in it
1306115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:56:14.6600000-05:00to have 1,533 shots (this is where things are fuzzy because I'm equating 1 joint to 1 shot), you'd need 90 bottles of vodka
1307115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:57:00.8840000-05:00you know, since Mark Havens (according to that police statement) had enough marijuana for 1,533 joints
1308115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:57:26.8840000-05:00:think: @DJ Vance any thoughts?
1309115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T17:58:46.4530000-05:00it's funny that trolls really prefer to debate on platforms they know they'll get censored (so they can claim it was because they were right and the man is keeping them down!), and not on uncensored platforms where people actually clap back
1310115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:00:38.9320000-05:00well this was fun, back to watching Miss Kobayashi's Dragon Maid because I'm a weeb
1311194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-16T18:08:03.3870000-05:00I believe his argument is based on "all cops are bad" and they considered any weight of pot butter that was being made as all pot regardless if ratio. Which is silly. Because who would spend the time making the butter that tastes worse to not have a reasonable thc content in it😆 (1)
1312540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-16T18:11:51.1210000-05:00'all cops are bad' is probably the experience of someone carrying that much weed.
1313115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:11:55.3990000-05:00perhaps, but he seemed unable to articulate it so I just figured he was going with "blue hair man bad"
1314115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:12:12.3340000-05:00but jokes on y'all, my avatar is a lie
1315343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T18:12:28.6020000-05:00I personally don't have a problem of the possession, but i do have a problem with lying about it. Lying about it is also much more recent
1316115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:12:28.6850000-05:00my hair has faded to bleached blonde since I can't get it dyed currently lol
1317540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-16T18:13:02.0390000-05:00dying it yourself is an option 😛
1318343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T18:13:23.8770000-05:00and that is one of a handful of reasons i don't have colorful hair
1319115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:13:25.0810000-05:00right, the lying is basically a slap in the face, like we're all so dumb that we'd accept "it was just a small bit of personal use" when the amounts were so big
1320115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:14:06.2730000-05:00yeah no, I'm not going to dye my own hair, I've seen how people fuck it up
1321115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:14:24.1710000-05:00I'd rather be stuck looking like a surfer in Dallas
1322540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-16T18:15:35.1560000-05:00now's the perfect time to learn
1323194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-16T18:15:57.1260000-05:00I would agree with @ferricyanide. Don't care about possession. But the lies are telling
1324488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T18:22:03.6490000-05:00@DJ Vance I was talking about the type of welfare check where police come check on you because you seem to be exhibiting signs of distress.
1325488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T18:23:03.2510000-05:00Also, I understand that you operate in your little world of raffi but the rest of us don't adhere to your logic. That being said, you can cry about the "abuse of power" thing all that you want but you still just end up looking like a clown🤡 (1)
1326630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T18:32:09.6860000-05:00I am for legalization, but I am concerned about possession at that level. The reason is it shows he's dealing, not just consuming at a Willie Nelson level. We know he's listed the space as a business address, we know he's mailed packages from DMS. So we can't ever know if he was using DMS to deal. If however the cops ever find that he is then DMS is at risk.
1327115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:34:33.0350000-05:00don't forget Mark also started a non-profit and listed two members as directors for it _without their knowledge_ and listed DMS as the registered agent
1328115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:34:51.8310000-05:00again, without our knowledge or consent either
1329115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:35:41.2010000-05:00and when asked about it his response was "sue me"
1330115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:35:55.8160000-05:00so we had to file paperwork with the state to reject the registered agent thing
1331115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:36:15.1430000-05:00but hey, I'm sure him being an asshole was somehow all to benefit the space
1332343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T18:37:44.0930000-05:00Well i find all that other behavior concerning as well.
1333300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-16T18:39:38.0620000-05:00how is it raffi saying it was crisco the first time I've heard that? (other than I don't really seek out this kind of crap...)
1334115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:40:04.5170000-05:00I think this might be the first time he's used the Crisco thing
1335115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:40:17.7710000-05:00before it was just "blue hair man dumb, doesn't know value of stuff" type arguments
1336115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:40:30.2930000-05:00and yeah, I don't know the value of that stuff, so I asked an expert 🤣
1337300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-16T18:41:00.9230000-05:00but...does that mean raffi had to go to Mark to ask, and that's what he was told? Did he just pull it out of his...orifice? 😕
1338115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:41:45.8300000-05:00no, I'm sure he's got some very clearly reliable source
1339115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:42:28.8130000-05:00a man as smart as him wouldn't just blindly accept the story of someone without evidence
1340300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-16T18:43:02.9940000-05:00I think I'm sensing sarcasm...
1341300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-16T18:43:03.6740000-05:00😄
1342115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T18:43:38.5160000-05:00https://tenor.com/view/sarcasm-limit-speed-meter-gif-16275876😆 (1)
1343400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:11:31.8020000-05:00This is my position: You don't know how much THC was in the oil, so you don't know how much it would sell for. I respect your intellect, Andrew. That's why I think you're not being honest. He said it was Crisco, but whether it was Canola oil or something else isn't relevant to the price, just like all the discussion of other Mark-related stuff.
1344115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:12:22.9880000-05:00so how do you propose valuation be computed?😆 (1)
1345115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:12:59.4940000-05:00you've yet to refute anything, as calling my argument "bullshit" is not a valid criticism
1346115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:14:14.6930000-05:00we've had multiple attempts made to quantify it and all converge around $10k
1347115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:14:42.1610000-05:00even if we're off by an order of magnitude, that's $1k, which seems quite excessive for just a brownie
1348400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:14:49.6630000-05:00I think one way to go would be to see how they tested the oil. See how potent the oil has to be in order to come back positive. Then you'll have a lower bound on the concentration instead of comparing it to what your friend sells at a weed shop.
1349400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:15:40.5520000-05:00There is no need for assumption.
1350115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:15:51.5820000-05:00so your argument is that Mark made excessively weak oil?
1351194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-16T19:15:51.8610000-05:00I believe Texas is still zero tolerance on it. Or at least they were at the time. So concentration doesn't matter☝️ (1)
1352194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-16T19:16:03.1750000-05:00*very weak*
1353400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:16:56.3400000-05:00His claim was that he was in the middle of the process and had put an ounce in. Is your argument that that is false? If so, where's the evidence?
1354115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:17:07.1590000-05:00I posted the PDF
1355115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:17:13.6610000-05:00I went with the evidence the authorities provided
1356400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:17:33.6590000-05:00Oh really, I didn't see potency there.
1357343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T19:17:59.3360000-05:00Also was it cannabutter or hash oil? Those are different.
1358115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:18:00.4560000-05:00I can see you don't follow the logic here, so lets try another path
1359400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:18:08.8990000-05:00potency
1360115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:18:13.4010000-05:00how about the 1,533 grams?
1361400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:18:23.3030000-05:00That's my question: potency
1362400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:18:44.6360000-05:00Maybe he is a drug dealer, that doesn't contradict my claim.
1363115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:18:47.5620000-05:00the police found 1,533 grams of marijuna, which I assume is in plant form
1364400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:18:56.1710000-05:00My claim is more about you than it is about Mark.
1365115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:19:04.5940000-05:00a very low end estimate of it's value is again $10k
1366115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:19:14.4370000-05:00humorously enough
1367400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:19:32.1960000-05:00You're doing that base on 1-gram joints, right?
1368115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:19:47.4920000-05:00no, I stated above, that's in quarter-pound amounts
1369115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:20:02.3370000-05:00at the lowest price listed from the source
1370115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:20:09.5120000-05:00effectively the "bulk" price
1371115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:20:40.0910000-05:00the source page also stated that 1 gram = 1 joint, so the amount of weed was enough for 1,533 joints
1372115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:20:45.8510000-05:00which again, seems a bit more than "just personal use"
1373194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-16T19:20:49.1560000-05:00Shit if he had 1500 joints there's no way he wasn't selling
1374343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T19:21:03.6560000-05:00If you were selling it by the gram it would have been way more than 10k price evaluation. 10k is like wholesale
1375115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:21:19.1040000-05:00inb4 it was just ditch weed and not even smokable, it's all a conspiracy by evil forces
1376343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T19:21:56.3930000-05:00Hell if he had 1/4 pound its selling or a month supply for a heavy smoker
1377115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:22:11.7650000-05:00he had >3lbs
1378115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:22:35.4910000-05:00but hey, maybe that's all water weight, that's what I tell myself anytime the scale says I'm a bit heavier
1379115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:24:36.7280000-05:00@DJ Vance thoughts?
1380441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-05-16T19:26:26.9000000-05:00Can we agree he had alot.
1381115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:26:45.7770000-05:00@nutterbutter I think most of us agree on that lol
1382300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-16T19:28:14.7660000-05:00just curious.... folks here seem really...um...against, I guess, selling. But how would we suppose recreational users (which many of us seem "ok" with) get such things without a "dealer"? Is amazon shipping that now? In Texas? (I don't really keep up...)
1383115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:29:03.7260000-05:00@A. Spencer(jast) it's really all about how Mark tried to spin it as "just a brownie" in his SOI
1384540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-16T19:29:04.8140000-05:00I mean, you can order anything on the internet, right?
1385400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:29:08.2970000-05:00pearce, that's assuming 1 gram per joint
1386115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:29:59.3550000-05:00> In 2015, after my ex-wife reported that I was in possession of marijuana, I was formally charged for attempting to make pot brownies.
1387115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:30:05.9950000-05:00https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/2020_Statement_of_Intent_Mark_Havens#Full_Disclosure
1388400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:30:16.0230000-05:00Yeah clearly he's being serious
1389400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:30:31.0330000-05:00Clearly he's claiming there is a law specifically about making pot brownies
1390300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-16T19:30:53.6510000-05:00so you think that was a joke?
1391400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:30:54.5390000-05:00We can have a conversation about Mark's character in general, but my claim about the oil remains.
1392300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-16T19:31:00.7410000-05:00because I didn't.
1393400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:31:01.4070000-05:00yes I think it was a joke
1394300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-16T19:31:05.7490000-05:00nothing in that SOI was a joke
1395300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-16T19:31:15.1940000-05:00except the SOI itself, I guess.
1396400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:31:15.8130000-05:00okay, we'll lets get off topic about it
1397115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:31:38.0330000-05:00so you're saying that parts of his SOI were not in good faith?
1398400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:31:42.7270000-05:00No potency, no price.
1399300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-16T19:31:44.3080000-05:00which makes it easy to discount anything IN it, and him as a candidate. Next topic.
1400400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:31:50.1320000-05:00You can joke in good faith
1401115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:32:15.0590000-05:00about being arrested for larges amounts of drugs, while running for board of DMS
1402115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:32:16.1740000-05:00sure
1403115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:32:16.9470000-05:00sure
1404400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:32:38.2650000-05:00Also he did a plea deal
1405400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:32:44.6120000-05:00intent to distribute was dropped
1406115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:32:52.2750000-05:00So Mark told you it was just an ounce in the oil, but what about the 1,533 grams?
1407400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:32:54.3980000-05:00Please ask me for proof
1408400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:34:52.0130000-05:001,533 grams is a lot of weed
1409400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:35:01.4840000-05:00enough for a long time
1410400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:35:08.6620000-05:00Maybe more than enough
1411400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:35:27.7120000-05:00And that's assuming no stems
1412400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:36:23.6560000-05:00but what about the potency of the oil? How can you calculate the price without potency?
1413115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:37:22.0370000-05:00I feel I was pretty clear on how you do that, I can explain it again to you, but I can't comprehend it for you
1414400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:40:43.2390000-05:00I'm talking about the oil, so this "1533 grams = 3.379 lbs, 3.379 / 0.25 = 13.516 quarter pounds, 13 x 800 = $10,400" isn't relevant
1415115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:41:23.8300000-05:00yes, I can see you are confused on this
1416115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:41:54.1430000-05:00see, we're talking about Mark's character, and how his SOI and his statements to you and others were crafted to paint a picture of a dude who had a small amount of weed for personal use
1417115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:42:01.4800000-05:00and how that's clearly a lie
1418441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-05-16T19:42:14.7800000-05:00I'd like to see a brownie that big.👆 (1)
1419194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-16T19:42:41.4540000-05:00Its the size of a mattress
1420194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-16T19:43:11.4900000-05:00https://media.tenor.com/images/f69a835be7ebf04eed8553f9bb28bfc2/tenor.gifdms (1),🤘 (1)
1421343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T19:43:18.1400000-05:00Also i am a bit confused.... you typically don't make brownies with hash oil. You usually use the plant to make "butter" then brownies
1422343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T19:43:39.0290000-05:00So were the police wrong or is he lying about making brownies altogether?pikachu (1)
1423400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:44:00.3800000-05:00I believe legally any oil with thc was at that time considered hash oil
1424400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:44:44.8710000-05:00I don't think they break it down into like canola oil, Crisco, salted butter, unsalted butter, etc
1425343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T19:45:07.7080000-05:00Crisco and all that would be "butter"
1426400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:45:20.0420000-05:00Okay let's speculate
1427343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T19:45:21.8200000-05:00Hash oil is prepared completely different
1428400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:45:24.9570000-05:00Andrew, I think your pricing for the weed is reasonable
1429400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:46:42.7030000-05:00not the oil
1430194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-16T19:47:44.4710000-05:00Okay even ignoring the oil then, he lied about it on his soi. You are just moving to goal posts
1431400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:48:01.3760000-05:00"the period of community supervision has expired and the Court has not proceeded to an adjudication of guilt in this cause" https://obpublicaccess.dallascounty.org/PublicAccessEP1/CriminalCourts/PublicAccessProvider.ashx?action=ViewDocument&overlay=Print&overrideFormat=PDF
1432115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:48:13.8490000-05:00500g (by weight) of vegetable oil is about 0.422 gallons (0.125 lbs per gallon times 3.379 lbs), that's 6.7 cups of oil, a standard brownie recipe seems to call for 1/2 cup of oil, so that's enough for 13 batches of brownies, but Mark _only put in an ounce of weed_
1433194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-16T19:48:42.5400000-05:00Maybe he's bad at recipes
1434400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:48:44.8980000-05:00My point was about the oil, not his SOI in general.
1435115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:49:06.7360000-05:00so your claim is that he makes nearly useless pot brownies, and don't worry about the unrelated large amount of weed
1436194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-16T19:49:08.4430000-05:00Dani tried to add a tablespoon of salt to one of our dinners because she read teaspoon wrong
1437115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:49:19.0350000-05:00Mark lied to your face man
1438115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:49:30.7880000-05:00if he told you it was just an ounce, and that it was personal, that was a lie
1439540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-16T19:49:39.2530000-05:00I mean I doubt people making pot brownies are going for that gourmet brownie experience, oil vs butter probably isn't a concern.💯 (1)
1440400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:50:42.4240000-05:00My claim is that he was using the oil to store the weed without having it lose its potency. You have no evidence that that's false. All you have are your biases caused by your negative emotions toward him from previous stuff that I really know nothing about. And I don't really care since it doesn't tell me how much the oil would see for.
1441115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:50:44.1810000-05:00do you honestly believe that the 500g was mostly oil and have very little weed in it?
1442194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-16T19:51:21.0470000-05:00That's a whole new argument
1443488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T19:51:39.7250000-05:00lol you arent helping mark here raffi...
1444194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-16T19:51:50.7510000-05:00*but the oil!*
1445400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:51:57.9120000-05:00I'm not trying to help Mark
1446115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:52:11.8360000-05:00> My claim is that he was using the oil to store the weed without having it lose its potency. You have no evidence that that's false. @DJ Vance that's not how this works, you have yet to present a more plausible argument than the ones laid out before you
1447400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:52:21.3080000-05:00Yes, exactly, Pearce
1448488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T19:52:55.9510000-05:00hrm...
1449400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:52:56.9180000-05:00My point is that we don't know. You're the one making the concrete claim that the oil was worth 10 grand.
1450194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-16T19:53:01.6800000-05:00:palmface:
1451115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:53:11.6050000-05:00ok, so to be clear, you don't like my or anyone else making a guess at the valuation of the oil, but the valuations for the weed itself are reasonable?
1452488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T19:53:24.8020000-05:00occams razor bro...
1453400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:54:01.8510000-05:00The percent THC in the weed is more or less known. In the oil it isn't. Simple
1454488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T19:54:23.3030000-05:00LOOLOL
1455115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:54:25.0360000-05:00ok cool, so we can all accept that he probably had somewhere in the neighborhood of say $10k in weed?
1456488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T19:54:27.6140000-05:00ohrly?
1457115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:54:50.3530000-05:00@DJ Vance does that sound like a fair assessment of the amount?
1458400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:55:21.3570000-05:00Yes.
1459115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:55:27.3400000-05:00excellent
1460400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:55:30.1770000-05:00My claim is was about the weed,
1461400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:55:33.8760000-05:00*the oil lol
1462400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:55:46.9860000-05:00inb4 Freudian slip
1463115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:56:06.3430000-05:00ok, so knowing that he had such a large amount, which scenario is most likely: 1. Mark had a very small amount of THC in the oil and was making brownies for personal consumption 2. Mark was making a lot of brownies
1464115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:56:28.1690000-05:00(very very weak brownies)
1465400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:56:29.9630000-05:00Those are not the only options, so I won't entertain the question.
1466630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T19:56:33.9510000-05:00@DJ Vance why the fuck does the potency matter? Even if it's shitty butter he had dealer quantity in his possession. That's like saying, sure he stole the car but he didn't drive it that far.
1467400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:57:11.5580000-05:00I think there is overlap in dealer quantity and personal use quantity.
1468115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:57:28.5810000-05:00@DJ Vance I'll restate it this way, do you feel it's fair for Mark to portray the arrest and case as "just personal use" or similarly downplaying at the amounts?
1469488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T19:57:36.8610000-05:00raffi do you have first hand knowledge of the quantity or potency of what mark had?
1470400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:58:37.7410000-05:00Given that the intent to distribute part was dropped, I think it's reasonable to say that the case was for personal use.
1471115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:58:59.6330000-05:00it could have been dropped because he gave up his supplier though
1472630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T19:58:59.7380000-05:00Willie Nelson was busted with his personal stash out on I-10 once. He had a pound. Are you honestly saying that Havens has a personal stash bigger than Willie Nelson
1473115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:59:05.5580000-05:00you have no evidence that's not the case
1474630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T19:59:18.1270000-05:00Or he plead out for a lesser charge
1475400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T19:59:18.8750000-05:00Correct
1476115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T19:59:41.4610000-05:00so since we can't know the specifics of why the case was dropped, it can't be used to determine if the amount was personal or dealing
1477630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T19:59:42.7010000-05:00People plead out to lesser charges all the time
1478400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:00:02.4570000-05:00Correct
1479115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:00:03.1480000-05:00the only objective metric we have, is the actual amounts of material, both the weed and the oil
1480630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:00:21.5670000-05:00And the conviction, we have that too
1481400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:00:22.1150000-05:00Yup, but also that amount changed as the case went on.
1482115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:00:33.5670000-05:00based on the amount of weed alone, would you say it's reasonable to call that "personal amounts"
1483630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:01:16.8360000-05:00You are talking out your ass
1484630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:01:30.4450000-05:00He's a convicted felon drug dealer
1485630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:01:40.9610000-05:00And a known fraudster
1486630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:03:44.8140000-05:00https://youtu.be/o-jXtz6aXZk
1487400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:03:44.8770000-05:00oh okay
1488630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:04:03.7150000-05:00That's a 2 pound joint. Mark had an extra pound
1489115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:04:21.1430000-05:00oh so Mark only had less than 2 joints worth👆 (1)
1490630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:04:22.8070000-05:00But sure, it was personal use...
1491400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:04:45.2300000-05:00lol
1492400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:05:54.8900000-05:00Here it says POSS CS PG 1 < 1G. That stands for possession of a controlled substance in the penalty group one in an amount less than one gram.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/711383967978356776/3-4-2019_-_Order_-_Dismiss-Discharge_Probation_-_Crim_Min_DC_F1533155_-_.pdf?ex=67b922f2&is=67b7d172&hm=e6a880a963e229afc0c3f71e5651f21074f36c71bffe0ac193c89ed597f0bb9a&
1493630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:05:58.8180000-05:00Why the fuck are you defending his possession conviction by splitting hairs over if the hash oil would just make you a little high or really high?
1494400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:06:24.7570000-05:00I'm more attacking bullshit arguments than defending him as a person
1495630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:07:09.4960000-05:00It's ok officer I know she's a hooker, buy I didn't fuck her I only got a blowjob
1496488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:07:15.3160000-05:00LOL
1497630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:07:28.4970000-05:00It's ok officer I stole the car but I wasn't speeding so it's all good
1498115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:07:57.2700000-05:00@DJ Vance if it makes you feel any better, I'll amend my statement to "Mark had $10k worth of weed" instead of hashoil
1499400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:08:02.0720000-05:00That's what the fuck I'm doing. Why the fuck I'm doing it is because it bothers me to see a whole group think together and think poorly in a context where reasonable discussion is very important like the context of an election.
1500630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:08:11.6510000-05:00It's ok officer I just put the coke on the mirror, I haven't snorted all the lines
1501547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-16T20:08:32.2340000-05:00this parsing is hilarious
1502400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:08:35.1260000-05:00Andrew, yeah, if you down from 20K to 10K i think that's great.
1503630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:09:28.2040000-05:00It's ok officer I robbed that store but I only stole 10k not 20k so we're good
1504400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:09:28.9990000-05:00But really it's more like "at least 10K" if you include the oil
1505547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-16T20:09:33.2910000-05:00"we don't have an assay so we can't use median values to make an estimate"
1506115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:10:01.8920000-05:00@DJ Vance great news, that's what I already said and which you've been railing against
1507630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:10:09.2620000-05:00Remember, his arrest was before weed was legal anywhere so the value was likely much higher then
1508115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:10:20.0080000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/mark-haven-statement-of-intent-bod-2020-2021/70313/52?u=andrewlecody
1509400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:10:49.0560000-05:00And I think 3.3 pounds of weed is a lot, but very possibly for personal consumption, especially if you're consuming it with someone else who smokes a lot
1510115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:10:49.5480000-05:00so you've been calling out my "bullshit argument" but were wrong about it the entire time
1511115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:11:05.5220000-05:00because I never said $10k worth of oil, I said oil and weed
1512400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:11:09.2980000-05:00Nah, you said 10K for the oil. That's bullshit
1513115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:11:19.1110000-05:00are you not reading the link I just posted?
1514115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:11:29.1620000-05:00you can see for yourself the post wasn't edited and is from March
1515400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:11:38.1560000-05:00I can't, but you even on here said you asked your friend specifically about the oil
1516630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:11:53.6510000-05:00@DJ Vance it seems your argument is bullshit. The potency of the weed doesn't matter and the quantity is clearly greater than personal use
1517115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:11:56.3990000-05:00perhaps, but you started railing against my "bullshit argument" based on that post
1518488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:11:59.1950000-05:00Raffi, I think its hilarious that you believe yourself to be qualified enough to call anyone's arguement bullshit.
1519400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:12:02.9470000-05:00It's the potency of the oil that matters🤡 (1)
1520115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:12:04.7360000-05:00https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/mark-haven-statement-of-intent-bod-2020-2021/70313/58?u=andrewlecody
1521115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:12:13.8760000-05:00see, right here, just after my post
1522115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:13:01.7830000-05:00my post is very clear, that the oil _and weed_ are at least $10k
1523400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:13:06.8350000-05:00the validity of what I say does not depend on any qualification of mine, Freddy, that's an ad hom fallacy.🤡 (1)
1524630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:13:06.8470000-05:00@DJ Vance if potency matters then why didn't marks lawyer get him off everything because it was just skunk weed👆 (1)
1525115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:13:37.6930000-05:00and you took offense to that statement, but now you're trying to say I said something I didn't and that you are taking offense to a statement you _think_ I made back in that thread
1526400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:13:40.2630000-05:00Welp I can't go through on Talk to see where you said the oil alone was 10K, so...
1527400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:13:47.2890000-05:00hahah
1528115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:14:00.4540000-05:00I never said on talk the oil alone was $10k
1529630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:14:01.8790000-05:00@DJ Vance having skunk weed isn't a defense in any court of law. The potency doesn't fucking matter😂 (1)
1530115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:14:13.1150000-05:00the proof is right there in the linked thread
1531488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:14:25.2430000-05:00he can't logon talk
1532488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:14:29.2880000-05:00he got in trouble 🙂
1533115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:14:35.5470000-05:00ah, I'll screenshot it
1534630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:14:57.8590000-05:00I think I understand what's happening here! Raffi got a hold of some potent weed.. that's the only way his argument makes sense
1535115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:15:04.7730000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/711386274279194645/mark_weed_value.PNG?ex=67b92518&is=67b7d398&hm=a934116501ac7bc03b8e46f46b9b65bc9c9325cf86438bbfe9bbfe44d8891bee&
1536488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:15:38.1530000-05:00I think Raffi might have smoked to much weed in general cause it sure doesn't seem to have helped his reasoning skills
1537115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:15:47.4840000-05:00@DJ Vance you then said:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/711386453782822963/mark_weed_value2.PNG?ex=67b92543&is=67b7d3c3&hm=b8be838ba8ed9e73932ad292341868d9b743579517f1584c2a6ea89a411f153e&
1538488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:15:59.7000000-05:00Or Mark was/is his dealer and he feels the need to defend him
1539115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:16:43.2990000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/711386687988564038/mark_weed_value3.PNG?ex=67b9257b&is=67b7d3fb&hm=68e0c595eecb42b961c6ec31326ae7c4e63acfa21a7401d019d10db6f5419efb&
1540115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:17:20.6600000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/711386844318662726/mark_weed_value4.PNG?ex=67b925a0&is=67b7d420&hm=d4a39ef4bb194cb2a9e64a0ee83df704f5fc39d202a6c4d5e3d27e14f4ff47b5&
1541115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:17:38.9000000-05:00weird how we went from "agree[ing] on the facts" to "bullshit argument"
1542400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:17:40.8970000-05:00I can't find where you said it on Talk, but you literally said it earlier here on Discord.
1543400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:17:52.7760000-05:00I can't log in to Talk
1544115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:17:56.0110000-05:00yes, I believe the oil was worth $10k and the weed another $10k
1545400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:18:00.1790000-05:00Because you know, I'm suspended
1546115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:18:09.5890000-05:00my statements on talk clearly state that the oil and weed were worth $10k at minimum
1547400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:18:19.8320000-05:00Oh okay, so you did say the oil was worth 10K
1548630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:18:36.6830000-05:00@DJ Vance what did you pay for your hash oil?
1549400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:18:37.8770000-05:00That's what's bullshit
1550488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:18:58.3380000-05:00how would you know raffi?
1551115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:18:59.7110000-05:00man this is some great mental gymnastics to watch
1552488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:19:11.3930000-05:00how can you say that something is or isn't anything?
1553630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:19:12.3950000-05:00Is it green hornet or purple haze?
1554488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:19:29.6890000-05:00you buy hash oil regularly since this case came to be?
1555400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:19:33.0510000-05:00Like this: that claim is bullshit
1556115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:19:33.1370000-05:00@DJ Vance you said "Mark claims the oil and weed were for brownies for personal consumption." do you believe that was a lie?
1557488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:19:34.3940000-05:00from mark's dealer?
1558488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:19:50.0960000-05:00Raffi your logic is bullshit
1559488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:19:53.1760000-05:00see i can do it too
1560400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:19:53.6890000-05:00Oh okay
1561630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:20:33.2150000-05:00I'm guessing green hornet based on the complete disconnection from logictrollface (1)
1562488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:20:43.4160000-05:00lol
1563488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:21:09.8710000-05:00i have to agree the mental gymnastics are quite special
1564400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:21:13.6110000-05:00Andrew I do believe Mark's claim, but it's not a strong belief.🤡 (2)
1565115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:21:24.3570000-05:00ok, so again to be clear
1566400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:21:46.1370000-05:00Like if I had decent evidence to the contrary I'd probably change my belief.
1567115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:21:47.2240000-05:00you agree the weed is worth maybe $10k (give or take), and that it was also for personal consumption?
1568400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:21:55.4330000-05:00Yes
1569115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:22:00.8240000-05:00ok cool
1570115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:22:09.4600000-05:00good to know you lack the ability to reason effectively
1571400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:22:13.5840000-05:00oh okay🤡 (1)
1572630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:22:34.9390000-05:00I revise my statement, I'm guessing grape ape
1573630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:22:55.8210000-05:00https://www.maggiesfarmmarijuana.com/manitou-springs-rec-menu/
1574400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:23:26.0230000-05:00Glad we can agree the 10k valuation was baseless bullshit
1575115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:23:53.0800000-05:00I imagine even in oil weed loses potency and effectiveness, so unless there's some way to store $10k of weed long enough for one person (or say one person and their spouse) to consume it before it goes bad, it would be a horrendous waste of money to buy $10k worth of weed
1576115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:24:07.6730000-05:00so either Mark had $10k to absolutely just throw in the trash, or something else was going on
1577630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:24:09.4070000-05:00Well, Maggie's farm is getting$70 for 1g of grape ape, so $70x500
1578400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:24:11.5710000-05:00Well I don't find imagination on that front even remotely useful
1579115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:25:00.8930000-05:00can you think of a reason why someone would have $10k worth of weed for personal use and it not mostly go to waste?
1580630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:25:15.7610000-05:00Of course blue rax is only$60 but it's hybrid
1581400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:25:45.3490000-05:00Maybe the person got tired of buying and decided to grow?
1582115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:26:04.0150000-05:00now I'm not a plant expert, but usually you use seeds for that
1583400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:26:05.9740000-05:00I have a cousin in California who grows for personal use
1584488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:26:15.2520000-05:00@aceat64 obviously cause he was giving some to raffi!
1585400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:26:20.4300000-05:00hahaha
1586115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:26:27.3340000-05:00perhaps it was all seeds!
1587400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:26:30.4040000-05:00I moved to Texas in January 2019 so
1588400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:26:46.5400000-05:00lol
1589400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:26:51.1300000-05:00perhaps he was dealing!
1590488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:26:52.5210000-05:00but you couldn have known him before...
1591400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:26:59.2120000-05:00perhaps
1592400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:27:00.2800000-05:00lol
1593400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:27:06.3900000-05:00Perhaps!
1594400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:27:43.1890000-05:00Perhaps he was a druglord, using his pistol for drug dealy stuff!
1595115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:27:55.5780000-05:00of course, that would be a lot of seeds, you'd be growing a lot of plants
1596400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:28:13.7010000-05:00Perhaps a heavy smoker puts 1 gram in a joint!
1597488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:28:15.5460000-05:00everyone knows you gotta have protection brah
1598400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:28:26.5660000-05:00Freddy I'm not surprised
1599115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:28:28.0230000-05:00ah yes, perhaps Mark was just constantly stoned
1600115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:28:58.8020000-05:00that's something we want in a person in charge of DMS, for them to be not-sober while at the space
1601630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:29:31.8110000-05:00@DJ Vance why do you believe that Havens is the victim here?
1602400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:29:40.6460000-05:00stfu I'm not defending Mark
1603115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:29:52.7990000-05:00I believe he has an irrational hatred of some people at DMS
1604400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:30:05.3530000-05:00Could be, perhaps
1605115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:30:26.4790000-05:00well this has been a fun exercise
1606400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:30:37.1900000-05:00I think it's more like I have a rational hatred for irrational arguments
1607630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:30:51.3380000-05:00@DJ Vance if you are not defending him then why are you splitting hairs about how high you could get off his product
1608115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:31:14.0590000-05:00if only you were better equipped for discerning irrational from rational
1609115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:31:33.2120000-05:00you could be quite effective at changing minds then
1610400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:31:33.8190000-05:00"no u"
1611115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:32:03.2210000-05:00insults are more fun when they're higher brow
1612115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:32:26.8190000-05:00although I do love using bless your heart on people who don't know that one 🙂
1613488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:32:30.1980000-05:00haha
1614400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:32:58.2960000-05:00I actually don't think this conversation was useless
1615115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:33:17.5260000-05:00we use it all the time at Wasteland Weekend, have heard people say "The Texans are so nice, they're always telling us 'bless your heart'"
1616400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:33:18.3790000-05:00I think we figured out exactly where we disagree: whether 3.3 lbs can be for personal use.
1617115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:34:00.1720000-05:00oh cool, good to see you have caught up with the convo
1618400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:34:06.0470000-05:00oh okay
1619115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:34:07.8020000-05:00but we're on bless your heart now
1620400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:34:23.7430000-05:00Oh did you change it midstream?
1621400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:34:25.4680000-05:00my b
1622488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T20:34:34.0720000-05:00I think we really just further confirmedthat you lack the ability to discern rational from irrational and that you might get your weed/weed products from mark 🙂
1623400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-16T20:34:47.9300000-05:00weird, I've heard that somewhere before
1624115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:34:58.7000000-05:00there was a TV commercial that used it
1625115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:35:05.6290000-05:00very popular
1626115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T20:35:26.2400000-05:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fDkHzOtgrk
1627630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T20:36:18.3640000-05:00Willie Nelson recorded a song with snoop dog called roll me up and smoke me when I die. When Willie was busted out in South Texas he had less on him than Mark... Let's think about that for a moment here
1628263153628141977603kentamanos2020-05-16T20:42:59.8810000-05:00https://external-preview.redd.it/O8pLVKdC8GBCq0I0UoWrMD8HPOFiHOtarlWw-XzOy-0.jpg?auto=webp&s=44d416803f274883d3bedeb39300a948b3dd745c🤣 (3)
1629441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-05-16T20:44:29.1550000-05:00Mark Havens isn't my favorite candidate, I'd rather vote for Raffi.🤣 (1)
1630343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T20:47:48.0910000-05:00> Mark Havens isn't my favorite candidate, I'd rather vote for Raffi. @nutterbutter
1631343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-16T20:47:52.5410000-05:00That bad?
1632300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:30:13.3790000-05:00Andrew, you’ve really blossomed into quite a narcissistic prince of deniability and lies. I suppose I expected that you would develop a reputation for turning on people and for perpetuating a culture of hate mongering. My impulse is to blame your adolescent leadership experience as a CEO in Eve Online, except everybody know DMS isn’t a video game. No, it’s all my fault, I suppose. I set a really poor example for you while I was fighting with members of the DPRG in 2010. I never thought you’d follow in my footsteps to the ends of glorifying the darkest part of my leadership style from back then. Now, it’s 2020, and you’re blackmailing, intimidating, and suing people, just like I did whenever I let my ego lead my decision making instead of my conscience.
1633300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:30:35.2350000-05:00Now here we are. You’ve passed around an inditement like it’s a judgement, knowing full well that there’s court papers that reduced and then dismissed all charges. I grew weed as a hobby in 2012 and 2013. Cops found bud, leaves, stems, and seeds in 2015. Most of what was found wasn’t smokable, but granted, we had enough pot to keep a wife and me stocked up for a while without needing or even knowing a dealer. And the bottle of Crisco they found that I would make brownies with? I used an ounce of weed to make it. Sorry to disappoint you. But, as much as you’d love to label me some sort of dangerous drug dealer to satisfy that chip on your shoulder and keep me off the board, it’s not going to happen. You are now embarrassing yourself. You certainly know my hydroponic and aquaponic background. My libertarian views and experiences with pot haven’t been a secret since I was 19. But now that I’m running for Board, you’ve suddenly decided that I’m a drug dealer? Honestly? Earnestly? After trying to manipulate me on this issue, presumably to keep me from running? I ran BECAUSE you tried to manipulate me, dude. I ran and outed my own pot history BECAUSE you made your petty intentions pretty clear when you PMed me in January. And everyone I trusted outside your little circle already had the whole story long before I decided to run. The WHOLE story has never been a secret. You know I’m not known for keeping secrets. Not even from you. None of the nonsense that you ever spout off about me has ever fit the greater context of reality. And it’s pretty clear to me and a great multitude of others that you are being a mean, petty, manipulative, and self-serving child.
1634300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:30:55.9340000-05:00You have set an example for others that rewards contempt, deception, half-truths, and FUD. And you have come to despise me and spread poison because you feel you deserve to be founder of Dallas Makerspace. Son, maybe I was in denial when we first met, or maybe I just didn’t have a whole lot to work with in terms of willing leadership, but I remember sometime in 2011 or 2012, as soon as I heard you speak to your leadership motivations about Dallas Makerspace, and how you wanted to be the next Napoleon or the next Caesar, I felt you and I had a serious mismatch of values. My values are focused on others, not the self glorification of accomplishments. It’s about achieving goals for the community, not to satisfy my own ego. I should have dropped you sooner. But that’s why I began mentoring Robert Davidson and stopped spending time with you. There might still be hope for Robert, but you son are a lost cause, and I think you already know it. At your age, if Eve Online and Dallas Makerspace have been your only notable leadership venues in life, then I think that says it all.
1635300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:31:13.0480000-05:00All this said, when the time comes, if we are ever forced to work together again, I will be true to my word. I will forgive and forget your past character assignations against me. But you need to work on your eye contact. Avoiding eye contact often communicates feelings of shame. If you are ashamed to look me in the eye, you won’t have to be if I’m elected. But just because I forgive and forget your past transgressions against me doesn’t mean I have no memory of your values or abilities. You will never be my first choice for any leadership role beyond a technical team lead. We need good technical team leads. And you are probably one of the top 20 team leads I know. Hell, look what you did for Dallas Makerspace. Good work during those first few years. Thank you. I just wish you could have grown with the organization.
1636115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:34:22.3190000-05:00lol Mark I don't know who you think you remember, but it ain't me
1637300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:35:04.6380000-05:00I think you know that’s not true.
1638488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:35:13.6040000-05:00Mark, it makes a great story. Albeit a not very believable one.
1639300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:36:57.3920000-05:00Freddy, I have nothing to prove. Certainly not to you.
1640334393967015755776agr00902020-05-16T21:37:28.7310000-05:00Is the board of directors campaign still going? When are elections?
1641488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:37:44.6300000-05:00You don't need to prove anything to me, but you could at least come up with something better than that. People who haven't observed you don't know what you are...
1642115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:37:58.2350000-05:00I have to admit, on one hand it's an interesting experience being the subject of these weird conspiracy theories, but it's also a bit concerning
1643488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:38:28.6760000-05:00@aceat64 I think you should take it as a compliment. You are a threat to him.
1644115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:39:02.8770000-05:00lol
1645540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-16T21:39:25.4560000-05:00@AGr From Erik on talk: "EDIT 3: I have suspended the entirety of the election timeline. I will reschedule it once we have clarity from state and local officials on when and how we might re-open the Makerspace."
1646300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:39:29.4030000-05:00Andrew is spouting misinformation. He is certainly a threat to my reputation. And he’s been somewhat successful with you, Freddy, for sure.
1647488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:39:49.0130000-05:00Mark, who do you think searched up the documents...
1648488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:39:55.0820000-05:00It sure wasn't Andrew...
1649488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:39:59.6510000-05:00Nice try though.
1650300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:40:06.0220000-05:00LoL... doesn’t matter.
1651115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:40:16.5560000-05:00what exactly was misinformation?
1652300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:40:24.6460000-05:00Documents are public record.
1653115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:40:43.3060000-05:00I just played through a thought experiment on the valuation of the drugs in that document of your arrest
1654115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:41:22.9400000-05:00big fan of /r/theydidthemath/
1655300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:41:28.3640000-05:00Indeed. Must have been a fun fantasy for you, Andrew.
1656115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:41:57.8300000-05:00it was pretty fun
1657488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:41:58.3380000-05:00I think any rational individual can agree that having a stoner as a board member who got popped with distribution weight ain't what anyone is on board with
1658488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:42:02.2840000-05:00I made a funny hahaha
1659300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:42:33.1840000-05:00Except that is a false narrative, Freddy.
1660488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:42:43.0340000-05:00Is it?
1661300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:42:46.3920000-05:00Yes.
1662488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:42:54.3470000-05:00Sorry bud
1663488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:43:07.7490000-05:00The evidence log suggests otherwise
1664115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:43:42.2300000-05:00this was a good way to pass the day, since I couldn't get much done due to rain
1665300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:43:51.2280000-05:00Yet, the DA agrees with my narrative. Internet searches won’t tell the whole story.
1666488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:44:31.0380000-05:00Good for him, doesn't change the fact about what the police seized....
1667300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:44:36.2750000-05:00But feel free to make up any other narrative. But anything you dream about will be fiction.
1668488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:44:54.5920000-05:00You can spin it any way you want, but that part is written down on paper
1669300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:45:07.8970000-05:00There’s no shame in having pot. You against legalization?
1670488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:45:26.3220000-05:00Nice try at redirection.
1671300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:45:34.2890000-05:00You know what else is written down on paper? My case being dismissed.
1672115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:45:49.7080000-05:00lol
1673488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:45:52.3440000-05:00As if that makes you any less guilty
1674488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:46:11.9960000-05:00"i was a good boy and didnt get caught on probation"
1675488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:46:13.7780000-05:00....
1676115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:46:14.0460000-05:00by that logic I was never speeding, since the ticket was deferred and then dismissed
1677300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:46:17.8910000-05:00Guilty of having pot? I think I’ve made that pretty public.
1678488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:46:34.1810000-05:00Take some ownership
1679300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:46:42.7670000-05:00I just did.
1680488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:46:58.0940000-05:00You made some half assed excuse that you wouldn't have gotten caught if it hadn't been for a mean ole wifey
1681488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:47:04.4730000-05:00Thats just plain sad
1682488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:47:21.5590000-05:00"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"....comes to mind
1683300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:48:17.0140000-05:00Oh yes, I was seriously betrayed... because having pot was a crime. It just isn’t one that is serious.
1684300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:49:23.8170000-05:00Pot is not a serious crime anymore fellas. It’s a speeding ticket now. And if you grow it or make brownies, you might even get arrested. But it’s not a serious crime.
1685441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-05-16T21:49:57.9220000-05:00Eh, ok, breaking the law just a little bit is ok.👆 (1)
1686488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:50:05.8560000-05:00That is the crux of the issue
1687300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:50:11.0470000-05:00If you have a problem with that though, do something about it.
1688488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:50:15.2540000-05:00It's ok to break the law that I don't agree with
1689300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:50:34.5940000-05:00No, it’s a risk.
1690300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:50:44.9690000-05:00Pot that is.
1691300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:50:51.0950000-05:00Not crimes in general.
1692488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:51:05.3530000-05:00Applying that to DMS business, this is what makes you an absolutely terrible candidate. Supposing you continue to use.....
1693300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:51:12.8840000-05:00LoL
1694300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:51:21.3360000-05:00Dude, you’re a nobody.🤣 (1)
1695488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:51:27.9640000-05:00Oh?
1696300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:51:29.6730000-05:00Stop talking.
1697488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:51:39.8880000-05:00I think I've found the right issue here
1698300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:51:59.4840000-05:00You’ve demonstrated contempt to the membership.
1699300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:52:10.2060000-05:00And you’ve run people off.
1700488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:52:23.3760000-05:00Oh?
1701488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:52:25.5430000-05:00Do tell
1702300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:52:25.9990000-05:00And was forced to quit as “CTO”...
1703488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:52:33.2450000-05:00There was no force to quit 🙂☝️ (3)
1704300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:52:37.8300000-05:00Oh?
1705557587172270538753rayearth422020-05-16T21:52:52.8300000-05:00That's completely incorrect
1706115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:52:57.1060000-05:00wait, Raffi is that you?
1707300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:52:57.2140000-05:00You has formal complaints filed against you yes?
1708547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-16T21:53:04.9520000-05:00> And was forced to quit as “CTO”... You are quite ill-informed
1709488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:53:22.2420000-05:00Formal complaints had fuck all to do with my resignation
1710300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:53:22.8050000-05:00My narrative is false?
1711300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:54:02.8650000-05:00Oh, well... the public documents tell me something different. But surely you know more than me.
1712488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:54:13.0830000-05:00Which documents would that be?
1713488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:54:38.6580000-05:00I'd love to see one that said I was forced to resign or terminated
1714115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:54:44.0530000-05:00maybe he means the Form 428 (Rejection of Appointment)
1715488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:54:47.2120000-05:00haha
1716300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:54:47.4360000-05:00Documents like the meeting minutes?
1717300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:54:58.8800000-05:00Oh yes, the other false narrative
1718488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:55:10.7480000-05:00Seems like someone has a problem with reading comprehension
1719441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-05-16T21:55:11.4160000-05:00Nice soap.
1720115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:55:13.8880000-05:00still would love to hear why you told us off about that whole thing
1721300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:56:01.0310000-05:00Really? What would you know about it? You weren’t part of that venture.
1722115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:56:21.5860000-05:00neither were the two people you listed as directors😂 (1)
1723300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:56:34.9720000-05:00But I expect you thought i was a threat. Wanting to help other Makerspaces and all.
1724488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:56:37.5200000-05:00I think the better question is why he felt the need to tell me I'm a nobody after I pointed out that his moral terpitude issues would make him a terrible candidate.
1725300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:56:59.2840000-05:00Andrew, that’s misinformation also.
1726115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:56:59.3680000-05:00except I've consistently helped advise loads of other spaces, and answered questions openly and honestly
1727115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:57:20.2250000-05:00oh, so you're saying these two people lied straight to my face?
1728300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:57:26.8630000-05:00Yes, but when I do it, you betray our friendship.
1729441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-05-16T21:57:31.8420000-05:00G'nite kids, don't go breaking no laws til the morning.
1730488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T21:57:42.8580000-05:00night john boy
1731300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:58:10.4480000-05:00No, I’m saying you Andrew, lies.
1732300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:58:16.3440000-05:00Lied.
1733115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T21:58:18.2300000-05:00about what?
1734300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T21:59:56.8180000-05:00Well, these days, I guess I wouldn’t know where to start. Being a founder of Dallas makerspace, for example.
1735115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:00:07.0520000-05:00lol
1736300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:00:18.3060000-05:00I mean, Jesus dude.
1737115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:01:28.8210000-05:00I honestly don't understand your issue here
1738300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:03:02.0280000-05:00When I talked to Oguz and Romeo... two of my best friends by the way, they said you intimidated them and didn’t want to be part of the makerspace incubator anymore.
1739115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:03:11.0550000-05:00hahah bullshit
1740115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:03:20.2680000-05:00@Nodoze
1741547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-16T22:03:26.0260000-05:00when was DMS an incubator?
1742300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:03:29.2970000-05:00Oh really?!!
1743115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:03:41.6580000-05:00Mark, you do realize Romeo is actually one of my best friends, right?
1744300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:04:15.6300000-05:00If that’s true, than he would be playing us both, or you are lying. And I tend to side with Romeo.
1745300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:05:17.8240000-05:00Oguz formally stepped down from that disaster in 2016.
1746300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:05:37.9650000-05:00And it was a disaster because of your bullshit.
1747300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:05:52.0570000-05:00So, thanks for that.
1748115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:06:50.1230000-05:00lol dude you are so full of shit
1749630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:07:08.3500000-05:00@mark.randall I guess you are high again. Still a crime in Texas by the way.
1750300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:07:27.1760000-05:00Really? What would I have to gain by putting down people I know if my intention was malicious?
1751300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:07:36.2550000-05:00I could have used random names.
1752115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:07:50.2250000-05:00you used people you thought wouldn't mind it
1753630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:08:09.4170000-05:00@mark.randall I suppose that you could add people to create the appearance of legitimacy
1754300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:08:12.2430000-05:00You’ve got that right. Because they agreed to it already.
1755630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:08:18.3200000-05:00Since you don't have any of that
1756115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:08:20.7780000-05:00and now you're straight up lying about them wanting to be a part of it and that I somehow intimidated them
1757115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:08:43.8060000-05:00I didn't even know about your thing until they came to me asking for help about it
1758300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:08:51.6830000-05:00Bullshit.
1759115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:09:09.3240000-05:00yes, your actions were
1760300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:09:27.1650000-05:00This is the problem right here.
1761557587172270538753rayearth422020-05-16T22:09:54.6040000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/711415172018995283/what-the-cinnamon-toast-fuck-is-this-57788104.png?ex=67b94002&is=67b7ee82&hm=b7257b5e83e64346e5253da72504196031692523e2b7e5f90af0a5cc060e7a57&😂 (2)
1762300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:09:59.0540000-05:00I let this issue pass years ago... because this drama is disruptive.
1763630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:10:14.4370000-05:00@mark.randall who to believe, the guy that was proven right about Kris Anderson's fraud and has been transparent in everything he's done or the drug dealer who commits fraud? Tough call there
1764300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:11:35.6490000-05:00The issue goes further back than this bullshit.
1765630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:12:33.7100000-05:00The drug dealing issue or the fraud issue@
1766300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:13:00.1120000-05:00Both issues are fiction.
1767115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:13:06.3300000-05:00man, I stepped back from leadership because I just wanted to be able to make stuff, I only partially got dragged back in to deal with the fraud
1768630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:13:19.8660000-05:00The court records seem to indicate otherwise chief
1769300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:13:31.9440000-05:00Great... stop pulling me into your drama, Andrew...
1770630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:13:44.8520000-05:00Actually that was Raffi
1771630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:14:08.8610000-05:00He was defending your conviction because it was only skunk weed
1772115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:14:21.9220000-05:00yup, I'm content to not talk about this stuff, Raffi said my argument was bullshit, I don't bring this stuff up myself because it's just not important to me
1773630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:14:30.1450000-05:00But then I guess he was only doing that because you are running for the board
1774300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:14:31.4540000-05:00Court documents show there was no dealing, sport.
1775300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:15:12.3390000-05:00Great. I’ll mind your own business, if you mind your own business.
1776300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:15:30.5670000-05:00my own business
1777115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:15:33.7750000-05:00stop trying to fuck up DMS and I won't even think about you
1778300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:15:55.3400000-05:00You do the same, and I won’t think about you either.
1779115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:15:56.3460000-05:00I really don't care what you do otherwise
1780115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:16:07.3050000-05:00clearly I have taken residence in your mind lol
1781488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:16:26.0590000-05:00Lol as I noted before Andrew, he's threatened by you 🙂
1782300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:16:40.6660000-05:00Oh, you have... certainly. I was once really proud of you. Still am in many ways.dumpsterfire (1)
1783115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:16:48.4530000-05:00creepy👆 (1),☝️ (1)
1784630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:16:51.4310000-05:00You mean the deferred adjudication where you plead out to a lesser charge
1785488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:17:34.5580000-05:00Mark, do you still smoke weed and keep it ?
1786630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:17:37.5360000-05:00Hard to have any respect for someone with your history and record
1787300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:18:04.0030000-05:00Yes, my choice was risking life in prison... or... dropping the charges after some community service. Easy choice.
1788630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:18:28.6470000-05:00Or you could have not been in possession of all that weed
1789300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:18:55.4630000-05:00Yes, probably foolish in this state. But I took that risk.
1790630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:19:21.5390000-05:00Which is why you would suck as an office or director at the space
1791547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-16T22:19:25.0710000-05:00It was what ... 2kg in total?
1792630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:19:38.3570000-05:00You have shit judgement and zero credibility
1793300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:19:58.6240000-05:00Apparently that’s not true for everyone. But thanks for your perspective.
1794300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:20:28.1630000-05:00Who are you again? Your real name?
1795630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:20:30.7930000-05:00True, I think you have Raffi and dracos votes
1796488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:20:35.1200000-05:00HAHA
1797488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:20:55.9500000-05:00well all know that Draco doesn't get a vote 😛
1798488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:21:03.5170000-05:00He got one!
1799630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:21:15.0310000-05:00Why you want my name? We gonna start a charity together?dumpsterfire (2),🤣 (2),trollface (3),😂 (1)
1800300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:21:23.4530000-05:00You guys are hilarious.
1801488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:22:56.3360000-05:00Hey Mark, I hear ACME might agree with your moral standards, plus all your really important buds are there 🙂
1802300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:22:59.8220000-05:00Been a real hoot. Hate this platform, personally. Not that IRC was any better.
1803488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:23:19.0970000-05:00Be sure to take raffi with you
1804488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:23:33.7680000-05:00he seems to idolize you for some reason
1805300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:24:38.1990000-05:00We’ve never met Freddy. But the stories are true. If we ever meet in person, you’ll probably end up being one of my best friends eventually.
1806488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:24:49.9070000-05:00oh?
1807300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:24:57.2910000-05:00Try me.
1808488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:24:58.3170000-05:00what qualities do you have to offer?
1809300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:25:11.4490000-05:00In person.
1810488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:25:12.3090000-05:00and we have met in person
1811300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:25:26.5070000-05:00Not really. I’ve heard you say “excuse me”
1812488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:25:29.0470000-05:00i found you to be everything the rumors said about you.
1813300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:25:34.4190000-05:00No conversations though.
1814300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:27:08.9790000-05:00I’m sorry, if we did have a conversation, I don’t remember.
1815115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:27:28.2120000-05:00@yashsedai is very forgettable🤣 (1)
1816488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:27:31.4910000-05:00lol
1817488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:27:45.1570000-05:00its true, my presence is quite small
1818630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:27:47.3260000-05:00I had a conversation with you once, you creeped me out.
1819300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:28:25.8800000-05:00I get creepy a lot... it’s in my public profile. 🙂
1820115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:28:49.7310000-05:00oh hey, Mark do you have that spreadsheet where you made assessments of the membership on stuff like "attitude"?
1821300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:29:06.4700000-05:00From 2010?
1822115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:29:08.7890000-05:00yeah
1823115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T22:29:16.4640000-05:00I think Haley had a 1 🤣😂 (1)
1824630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-16T22:29:24.7330000-05:00That's klassy
1825300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:29:43.4820000-05:00I haven’t thought about it in years...
1826557587172270538753rayearth422020-05-16T22:31:01.2070000-05:00A spreadsheet list of members...not creepy at all.https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/711420484692082748/i-dont-need-creepy-memes.png?ex=67b944f5&is=67b7f375&hm=2e70d8cac854292aa13d0d85a3b5bcc5f25ad9bac7fb370716fe8b1435dff30a&👆 (1)
1827300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:32:10.4440000-05:00Haley and me did get into it back then, and I even filed a lawsuit against her. But it was resolved and worked out through a mutual friend one of those Thursday in the parking lot..
1828488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-16T22:32:31.9100000-05:00super klassy
1829300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:32:41.1420000-05:00Not really, no.
1830300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T22:32:52.4530000-05:00It should have been handled better.
1831250129661219176449toenolla2020-05-16T23:04:22.8240000-05:00Ah yes, the famous lawsuit you threatened me with for speaking up about your consistent bad behavior. We didn't resolve anything, dude. You whined at me in the parking lot for like an hour and I'm pretty sure these are the first words I've said to you since.think (3)
1832115183069555589125aceat642020-05-16T23:06:25.0680000-05:00no wonder he gave you a 1 for attitude 🤣
1833250129661219176449toenolla2020-05-16T23:08:29.3870000-05:00I'm a hellion! Rar!
1834300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T23:44:08.1970000-05:00It’s not famous, and it’s a decade old memory that apparently meant more to me than it did to you, although I hardly remember the details of it now. I remember it being resolved. If it wasn’t for you, that’s not my problem anymore.
1835300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T23:47:00.9980000-05:00I still regret kicking you out of that photo though.
1836300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T23:48:06.3460000-05:00You were around a lot before we got going... always involved... kicking you out of that photo was a mistake.
1837300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T23:49:13.1140000-05:00And I’m sorry I did that to you. I didn’t mean to make you feel like you weren’t important to the space. You were.
1838250129661219176449toenolla2020-05-16T23:49:20.0730000-05:00Look, this is ancient history, and I appreciate that. But having moved past it and having it resolved are different.
1839250129661219176449toenolla2020-05-16T23:49:41.3380000-05:00I accept your apology, thank you.
1840250129661219176449toenolla2020-05-16T23:51:30.8550000-05:00The thing is, that photo was not the issue. It was the harassment, and the misuse of power.
1841300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T23:51:33.1890000-05:00I suppose moving past it was a better way of describing what happened.
1842300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T23:54:28.7880000-05:00I’m not sure we are going to agree on perspectives... I regret some of the tactics I used with the DPRG, for sure...
1843250129661219176449toenolla2020-05-16T23:54:58.0000000-05:00I certainly agree. I'd appreciate if you didn't imply that our mediation ended in us coming to any sort of agreement.
1844300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T23:56:11.4560000-05:00Perhaps my unspoken agreement was not to pursue the issue afterwords. And I didn’t.
1845300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-16T23:56:34.6380000-05:00I only recall putting it behind me after that.
1846250129661219176449toenolla2020-05-16T23:57:51.5040000-05:00Unspoken agreements are not agreements. That's called an assumption. And I think that speaks to the real reason we're in DMS politics chat talking about this. How many people do you consult before deciding something is ok, or do you just assume?
1847300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T00:00:00.1970000-05:00I make lots of assumptions about things every day... I might not be using all the best words to describe everything... but if it helps keep this in the past by agreeing that we didn’t agree to anything, I’m okay with that.
1848250129661219176449toenolla2020-05-17T00:04:20.9400000-05:00Cool. Now, can you admit to defrauding the space? Honestly, the damage you've done to other members is more important to me. And I know it's more relevant to this channel.👍 (1)
1849300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T00:04:50.6330000-05:00I never defrauded the Space, sorry.
1850300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T00:05:22.8960000-05:00That’s simply another false narrative.
1851250129661219176449toenolla2020-05-17T00:11:48.8440000-05:00Dude, the more you cry "fake news" the less people are going to believe you.👆 (2)
1852300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T00:36:14.3800000-05:00Haley, the more that complete strangers and estranged friends make false and baseless accusations about decade old drama, the more people seek me out to understand what the hell is going on.
1853630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-17T07:55:22.1540000-05:00How is it false and baseless? The paperwork is all posted for everyone to read. I mean one side has evidence the other has claims of fake news.
1854630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-17T08:00:20.0330000-05:00I mean for fuck sake, you start trying to claim you successfully mediated a dispute with someone and moments later they are here saying "no, you didn't" You admit to having kept a spreadsheet of members to track their attitude, like some kind of stalker hit list. You deny the severity of your arrest and deferred adjudication, and yet the court papers are publicly available... I'd ask what you are smoking, but we already know that, it's in your arrest record...
1855300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T08:42:33.2200000-05:00My estranged former friends and their friends who are strangers to me are free to continue with false narratives that fill in the gaps with fantasy and other made up bullshit. If you are compelled to do so, I actually advise you continue to make up bullshit and pose other false narratives. Any support you offer me will surely alienate you from your friends, just as it did with Raffi and Draco. Except alienation is just the beginning. You’ll be mocked, persecuted, and harassed too. So keep all the bullshit coming for your own the sake. But if someday you accidentally say something that might be interpreted as supportive of someone like me, and your “friends” end up turning on you because of it, please don’t quit DMS like many others have. You won’t have to look long to find an alternative group of people at DMS that will accept and respect you for exactly who you are, without feeling pressured to be someone you’re not.
1856630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-17T09:06:07.2570000-05:00I've read about and experienced enough Draco personally to know if that's your support then you don't have any. Jury is out on Raffi. He's nice in person but damn is he an edgelord when he's on the keyboard. I think he just needs this covid shit to be over and he'll be ok again. As it stands I don't see myself ever sinking to the level where I would proclaim anything supportive of someone like you.
1857300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T09:10:00.7380000-05:00Thanks for your candor, whoever you are.
1858630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-17T09:16:18.7960000-05:00Mark, my issue with you is that you are running for the board and all these people bring up valid questions about your ethics and behavior. All your answers either brush asside your poor behavior or they try and throw the blame on the people that pointed out your behavior. I have yet to see any meaningful answer from you. The answers we do get are trite and sarcastic and don't address the behavior in question. In short it seems clear that you have not changed your ways on any of the matters anyone has reported about you.
1859300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T09:19:08.4400000-05:00These people bring up neither valid questions or concerns. I’m happy to discuss reality with anyone. I have, and I do.
1860300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T09:21:59.3820000-05:00But I won’t be addressing the details of a fictional account. Obviously, I can’t. You’ll have to get those details from whoever made up the bullshit.
1861630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-17T09:38:26.4250000-05:00See, there it is right there. Right here in this thread You brought up the lawsuit with Haley, she shows up and says your story is false. And now you imply it's not a valid question and tell me to get the details from whomever made up the "bullshit" but as we can see right here in your own responses, that's you...
1862630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-17T09:38:56.9730000-05:00Bless your heart...
1863343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-17T10:04:35.9820000-05:00Soooo if 3.3 pounds is personally use, how much did/do you smoke a day? And how do you afford such an expensive habit?👆 (3)
1864557587172270538753rayearth422020-05-17T11:37:14.5570000-05:00Wow. I almost hope that drugs are responsible for the pages of incoherent rambling that I scrolled past. If not you should probably get that checked out. Are you going to stop or reduce your drug use if elected to the board or is this what we should expect from you as a board member?
1865557587172270538753rayearth422020-05-17T11:37:27.2290000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/711618397468753990/drugs-bdb0wl.jpg?ex=67b95487&is=67b80307&hm=65142ad7d151d370c31386b8705cf42e0693892d87eeacdfcfaf036efa1b94d9&
1866441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-05-17T12:51:40.1800000-05:00What? Why? Why did you try to sue Haley Mark?
1867547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-17T12:53:42.5200000-05:00hey now, that might be deemed an invalid question
1868488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-17T13:35:20.6320000-05:00Haha
1869250129661219176449toenolla2020-05-17T13:48:24.4470000-05:00I called Mark out on the forums because he threatened me, and since he was on the board I felt so unsafe and unwelcome that I had to quit the space. He didn't like that.
1870316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-05-17T13:51:08.3230000-05:00The fact he fraudulently listed members on his other non-profit is enough on its own to show he has no sense of morals nor decency to run a legitimate one. And inb4 he says that's a lie: the rejection of appointment in the DMS board minutes, the state forcefully dissolving the nonprofit because of fraudulent appointments, and literally everyone but him from that time says otherwise
1871250129661219176449toenolla2020-05-17T13:51:32.5730000-05:00There was no grievance policy back then. It was the wild west.
1872115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T13:54:52.4840000-05:00Remember that time Mark trolled the group building face shields by trying to pretend like he was involved and helping?
1873115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T13:54:53.5410000-05:00https://github.com/mrhavens/maker-community-ppe
1874300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T13:55:05.7880000-05:00We created a grievance process because of your bullshit, Haley.
1875115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T13:55:14.0980000-05:00even changed the git commits to his name, very classy
1876115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T13:55:59.0140000-05:00inb4 Mark's defense is that the license allows it
1877300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T13:56:18.9630000-05:00LoL... more false narratives. I promoted this and gave you full credit.
1878115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T13:56:43.4490000-05:00why not fork the repo and keep the commit history, as is standard for open source forks?
1879250129661219176449toenolla2020-05-17T13:57:08.4390000-05:00(He threatened me because I tried to talk him out of committing DMS to a sketchy financial deal, but I'm sure he doesn't remember that.)
1880300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T13:57:34.5380000-05:00My supporters already think your the Antichrist. But yeah, I gave you full credit anyway.
1881115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T13:57:47.3110000-05:00why even have the repo anyway, the entire point of it being open source was so _other groups_ could do a similar thing, not to weirdly try to split the location of documentation for one group
1882115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T13:57:56.3570000-05:00of which you are not a part of and have offered no help towards
1883300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T13:58:26.8910000-05:00You made it public domain... and said anyone could use it for whatever they wanted... apparently that didn’t extend to me.
1884300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T13:58:47.0290000-05:00You wanted credit. I have you credit.
1885115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T13:58:52.6300000-05:00again, I made it public domain for a pretty clear reason
1886115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T13:59:03.7530000-05:00it's not about credit, it's about not trying to confuse people
1887115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T13:59:17.9000000-05:00what was your goal in creating it?
1888115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T13:59:28.9930000-05:00when it's so much easier to just link to the stuff DMS posted
1889300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:00:00.8240000-05:00You’re page looked like shit.
1890115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:00:13.1960000-05:00pull requests welcome
1891115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:00:33.7500000-05:00that's called collaboration
1892300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:00:55.2890000-05:00Another line of bullshit.
1893115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:01:09.1460000-05:00how so? the repo is open for anyone to submit pull requests
1894300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:01:48.3620000-05:00What difference does it make? I have you full credit and wanted to work alone. Working with you invites drama .
1895115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:02:18.1910000-05:00if I cared about credit, don't you think I'd be posting livestreams and all kinds of stuff to social media?
1896300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:03:10.9580000-05:00If you didn’t care about credit, you would have used an anonymous website.
1897115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:03:26.8470000-05:00for someone who claims to run a DevOps focused company, you don't seem to understand how git/github/oss work
1898115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:03:42.7800000-05:00it took more effort to make your clone repo than to just click fork
1899300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:04:23.4550000-05:00Yes it did.
1900115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:04:24.7430000-05:00clearly credit seems to be a very important thing to you, but to the rest of us, we're just trying to make PPE
1901115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:04:39.8200000-05:00please stop trying to confuse people with your repo
1902300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:04:43.4660000-05:00LoL
1903300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:05:03.9680000-05:00Dude, you’re full of shit. It’s obvious this is personal.
1904115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:05:41.3410000-05:00it's funny, because I kept telling people to ignore your trolling on this, they kept wanting me to call you out
1905300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:05:48.8180000-05:00Nobody is confused but you.
1906300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:08:12.7300000-05:00There’s nothing to call out. If we collaborated on anything, I would have lost support. If you got any PPE at all from my promotion efforts, just be thankful for the support...
1907300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:08:42.6460000-05:00People fucking hate you dude.
1908115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:08:45.6670000-05:00wait, so you care more about politics than building PPE?
1909115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:09:02.8780000-05:00I don't care what people think about me, I'm happy with my life, my friends and my family
1910115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:09:05.6400000-05:00hate awaysamsunghearteyes (1)
1911300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:09:19.5500000-05:00No, I cared getting PPE, which wouldn’t have happened if we worked together.
1912115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:09:47.0000000-05:00I do the right thing, even when it's hard or when dumb people want to complain about it, if that causes people to hate me, that's on them
1913630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-17T14:09:47.4760000-05:00@mark.randall what Andrew is describing is literally how git is supposed to work. Your way of doing it is definitely shady
1914115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:10:38.5170000-05:00investigating DMS finances and removing people who stole was the right thing to do, regardless of what those people or their friends believe, theft is wrong
1915300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:10:47.7790000-05:00More false narratives. This is all petty personal bullshit.
1916115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:11:05.3610000-05:00lol ok
1917300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:11:07.7370000-05:00Nobody is talking about theft.
1918300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:11:12.2200000-05:00Just you.
1919630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-17T14:11:16.0240000-05:00Why are we wasting our time arguing with him? He's obviously never done anything wrong and everyone else is mistaken
1920115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:11:35.3120000-05:00the only people that hate me are the people who are upset about Kris and Stan, who stole from DMS, why should I care that they hate me?
1921115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:11:50.0070000-05:00I'm waiting for my pizza to finish cooking
1922115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:11:54.6170000-05:00that's why I'm wasting time lol
1923630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-17T14:12:19.5670000-05:00Indeed, if you judge Andrew by the quality of his enemies then he's a pretty good dude.
1924300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:12:42.0120000-05:00Making up petty bullshit narratives is all that’s going on here. We go back a long way Andrew.. and only a couple of years of that was pleasant. I moved on, and so should you.
1925115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:12:59.3060000-05:00clearly
1926630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-17T14:14:46.4420000-05:00As mark himself established higher up the thread all evidence against him is false, even when he provided said evidence as he did when he claimed all that noise about the lawsuit that Haley has shown to be false.
1927540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-17T14:14:52.5140000-05:00I thought the term was 'wake and bake' not 'wake and bicker'😆 (3)
1928630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-17T14:15:17.0790000-05:00His statement only became made-up petty bullshit when it was shown to be false
1929300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:17:05.0450000-05:00Andrew, you’ve been driving a wedge between anyone who doesn’t support your false narratives. You’re not building anything when you do that. You’re not saving the space. You’re tearing it down.
1930316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-05-17T14:17:33.5580000-05:00@mark.randall considering your git caused confusion, and now has created a split in the event of updates, you clearly don't care about actually getting PPE versus some petty personal bullshit you have against andrew
1931316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-05-17T14:17:57.0350000-05:00in crisis divergent information is a core blocker to things getting done. There was not reason to not fork it
1932300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:17:59.9940000-05:00LoL.. another avalanche of bullshit
1933316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-05-17T14:18:28.3150000-05:00and we've provided the evidence it's not false narratives, and so far everyone else involved with those events (including those you claimed would back you) have said otherwise
1934316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-05-17T14:18:33.3460000-05:00that's all I'm gonna say here
1935316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-05-17T14:18:45.9460000-05:00this channel is already enough of a dumpster fire today
1936115183069555589125aceat642020-05-17T14:20:28.6070000-05:00pizzas ready, have fun
1937300084418851110912mark.randall2020-05-17T14:21:09.1780000-05:00Evidence coupled with false narratives is not truth. It’s bullshit. There is no honest commitment to reality from you guys... but Andrew has found his crowd, for sure. Good luck. Leave me out of the drama.👋 (3)
1938441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-05-17T15:05:13.7290000-05:00? From my perspective I asked a clarifying question (thank you Haley), but all I've heard from Mark are more personal threats.👆 (2)
1939441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-05-17T15:10:21.6300000-05:00Thanks for calling yourself out, now I know who not to vote for.
1940250129661219176449toenolla2020-05-17T15:15:44.7480000-05:00(I presume the "bullshit" he's referring to up there were my subsequent years of pushing for a grievance process. Guilty as charged I guess.)
1941388213344236077056doug.emes2020-05-17T15:31:33.8760000-05:00This took an hour to read... @Pearce I almost regret asking this, but can we get a raffi channel and a mark Havens channel? And redirect to those... I fear I'll miss out on the other candidates if I mute this channel
1942540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-17T15:45:37.6840000-05:00Wasn't this supposed to be the channel for this kind of stuff? I think it got added when Freddy and Draco kept going at it in general
1943388213344236077056doug.emes2020-05-17T15:48:52.6170000-05:00My point is, and I'd assume others feel this way, is that some/many are done with the hashing (no pun) and would like to only continue to read about the others
1944540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-17T15:50:10.2780000-05:00I think you're asking for a 'post your bickering here' channel, if I'm understanding right?
1945388213344236077056doug.emes2020-05-17T15:50:23.0560000-05:00Indeed
1946540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-17T15:50:33.9870000-05:00Iirc that was the idea behind this channel
1947388213344236077056doug.emes2020-05-17T15:50:47.8880000-05:00We don't HAVE to, but it would be helpful
1948540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-17T15:51:03.1740000-05:00I don't remember what we've used this channel for other than bickering tbh
1949388213344236077056doug.emes2020-05-17T15:51:22.0890000-05:00Weve talked about joe and jim, and those ran their course
1950388213344236077056doug.emes2020-05-17T15:51:30.1820000-05:00I'm afraid raffi mark never will
1951388213344236077056doug.emes2020-05-17T15:51:46.4540000-05:00And there's several more candidates that don't deserve to be missed
1952388213344236077056doug.emes2020-05-17T15:51:52.2720000-05:00Due to the monopoly
1953540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-17T15:52:09.5980000-05:00I guess I just classify that all as bickering lol
1954343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-17T16:17:07.2230000-05:00Yeah i also thought this channel was opened to move this out of general
1955343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-05-17T16:17:37.0170000-05:00Unless you can convince pearce we need a bickering/timeout channel
1956540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-17T16:38:10.5350000-05:00Ok, a timeout channel. It's the only channel you can post in, and every post is followed by the bot replying with a random variant of 'can't you give it a rest already'💯 (1)
1957630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-17T16:44:33.0030000-05:00I mean this is sort of the bickering channel by default. Not all the candidates are on discord or If they are they aren't all active. The thread on talk should have the campaign related stuff. This, being an unofficial channel should have the more freeform stuff
1958403764287975325697brsims24062020-05-17T17:05:32.1250000-05:00Just sounds like more of your false naratives, man.
1959403764287975325697brsims24062020-05-17T17:06:02.8320000-05:00(that's what we do here, right?)👍 (1),trollface (1)
1960570472690541002764hardsuit2020-05-17T17:10:54.6080000-05:00Technically isn't talk unofficial as well?
1961540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-17T17:14:56.6730000-05:00Talk is official as it's controlled and moderated by DMS, afaik
1962540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-17T17:16:10.0360000-05:00Discord is run by Pearce, who isn't considered DMS because none of us want to be associated with him anyways
1963540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-17T17:16:13.1670000-05:00Or something like that
1964316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-05-17T17:21:24.5760000-05:00so Talk in unofficial in that it's not an official organizational record (like how committee minutes are often posted to Talk is a courtesy, but they're *required* to go on the Wiki since that is our official record for said minutes). Additionally the DMS emails are official records for DnO and committee chairs, etc. Things like Talk are DMS sponsored (in this case it's owned by Infrastructure), but things like this Discord were made by members and are not managed by DMS
1965194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-17T18:46:50.2180000-05:00The discord and reddit are not moderated by DMS
1966194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-17T18:53:03.6280000-05:00This channel is sufficient for this kind of garbage.dumpsterfire (7)
1967400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-18T23:17:45.8300000-05:00> (that's what we do here, right?) @Brsims Yes
1968400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-18T23:28:29.8850000-05:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvx6JwO63to
1969441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-05-19T07:06:44.4050000-05:00Guessing an online meet the candidates, not sure what platform would be best.
1970441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-05-19T08:13:51.5340000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/712291934365810728/20200519_081327.jpg?ex=67b924ce&is=67b7d34e&hm=0e9f91fd4f0f88b9b217db00e8bb62def3586e77d33418c26ec7684fcedca0a5&❤️ (2)
1971604867525423005738noble_goblin2020-05-25T05:43:28.9980000-05:00All the messages from the 16th have gone perfectly with my morning coffee.
1972604867525423005738noble_goblin2020-05-25T05:45:58.0390000-05:00Through the 19th* Not that my two cents matter much to many, but when people running for office/positions of power come on a chat or forum and argue over past mistakes it is a huge red flag for me. Regardless of personal opinion just own up, make a statement, and bounce.
1973604867525423005738noble_goblin2020-05-25T05:51:40.3880000-05:00I think an online Meet would be great. The only difficult part would getting everyone on the same platform. Ya'll would need to schedule it out at least two weeks
1974630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-25T11:11:49.6860000-05:00I don't think it would be a problem getting everyone on the same platform for a meeting. We have a corporate google meet account and zoom is free. I am sure someone here has a webex account too.👍 (1)
1975488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T22:13:09.9700000-05:00🤡
1976400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-25T23:17:08.2270000-05:00Speaking of clowns...https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/714693578290495538/Screenshot_20200525-231540.jpg?ex=67b94fc3&is=67b7fe43&hm=2642d794c62ba75f26b8e8815983a5760f758a58d166433d351ab276cbdd96af&🤡 (1)
1977488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:28:34.2050000-05:00Only clown is you
1978488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:29:13.6770000-05:00Yet more whining by you on something that doesn't meet your "standards"
1979488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:29:50.7440000-05:00Sorry @DJ Vance , we don't live in raffiland. I'm sure glad we don't, that place looks rather unstable.
1980400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-25T23:30:03.6630000-05:00If you make a cogent argument, I'll respond to it.
1981488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:30:32.6520000-05:00if you made cogent sense you wouldn't have a problem
1982488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:30:44.1360000-05:00As it stands....
1983400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-25T23:38:12.0000000-05:00Regarding the drug dealer accusation: I think it's really important to get your facts straight when you throw an accusation like that at someone. Especially someone whom you have a negative history with, who is running for board against you. If you play fast and loose with the facts, like how much the oil might have been worth, it comes off as self-serving. I don't think anyone without a dog in this fight actually thinks that a difference of 10 grand of highly concentrated THC oil vs some Crisco with an ounce of weed in it is splitting hairs. You should try to start with the facts to come up with a reasonable interpretation as opposed to starting with an interpretation, e.g. Mark bad and coming up with evidence to support it, e.g. 10 grand worth of oil.
1984400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-25T23:39:05.3150000-05:00Some reasonable rebuttals to this would be: 1. I didn't play fast and loose and here's why 2. Playing fast and loose is okay and here's why
1985488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:39:10.2130000-05:00Are you still on about this?
1986488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:39:26.3110000-05:00You would mistake me actually caring about your opinion.
1987488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:39:58.1460000-05:00At this point, you keep bringing up dead subjects like a paranoid person who just can't let it go
1988488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:40:23.8470000-05:00For you own good, let it go and move on. It sounds like it's eating at you, gotta let that shit go.
1989371416661040955403talkers2020-05-25T23:45:56.7840000-05:00@yashsedai if you don't care, then let it go yourself and don't reply.👍 (3)
1990488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:46:17.5930000-05:00or john, you can mind your own business
1991488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:46:31.8450000-05:00nobody yanked your chain
1992488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:48:00.5930000-05:00don't you have somes masks to put together
1993488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:48:21.1200000-05:00for the potential deathtrap called acme?
1994371416661040955403talkers2020-05-25T23:51:40.1090000-05:00@yashsedai and you want to lead? Lol👍 (2)
1995488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:52:56.1440000-05:00It's ok john, the ship sailed on your opinion a while back. That whole being drunk 24/7/365 doesn't really work so well.
1996488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:53:57.9450000-05:00Anything else I'm doing not up to your standards?
1997400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-25T23:54:03.3560000-05:00Now imagine this at a board meeting
1998488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:54:07.6930000-05:00Feel free to tell someone who cares
1999400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-25T23:54:33.2860000-05:00The world doesn't revolve around you, bud
2000488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:54:47.9620000-05:00Unlike you, I'm quite well aware of the fact.
2001488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:55:45.7140000-05:00Aww raffi are you trying to injure me?
2002400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-25T23:58:40.1350000-05:00There are core principles at play here that are bigger than what you personally care about. So what's it going to be? Is playing fast and loose with the evidence okay or is equating some Crisco with an ounce of weed in it and highly concentrated THC oil not playing fast and loose?
2003488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-25T23:59:23.3450000-05:00See, blah blah, more living in denial
2004488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-26T00:00:22.0390000-05:00I'm afraid raffi you are demonstrating just how unqualified of an observer you are with all this.
2005488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-26T00:00:42.9100000-05:00As Andrew previously stated, you lack the ability to reason
2006400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-26T00:01:28.7730000-05:00Do you have any original thoughts on this though? Or should I just go back and read what Andrew said to see what you think?
2007488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-26T00:01:41.4620000-05:00you couldn't even realize mark's github was fake
2008488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-26T00:02:05.2270000-05:00wanna explain for us why that is?
2009400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-26T00:03:00.1120000-05:00I think that would qualify as changing the topic midstream and I don't want to get silenced on here. Nice attempt though. The question remains.
2010488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-26T00:03:28.8700000-05:00only in your mind
2011540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-26T00:03:53.7100000-05:00/me writes reminder to see when orkin is coming out next
2012400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-26T00:03:56.2270000-05:00I bet there will be more attempts to not have a conversation about the drug dealer accusation.
2013488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-26T00:05:02.2520000-05:00i bet there will be more attempts to try to defend your lack of logic and beat the pulpy, frothing, dead horse lying in a bloody mess
2014400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-26T00:07:14.6640000-05:00Sometimes I just wish you'd say something interesting. So far I've pretty much just seen no-content messages on here from you.
2015488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-26T00:07:28.9610000-05:00lol are you talking about yourself?
2016488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-26T00:07:35.2800000-05:00or to yourself
2017488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-26T00:07:56.4670000-05:00www.amitalkingtomyself.com?
2018194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T00:15:52.6450000-05:00So
2019194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T00:16:00.9820000-05:00The DMS reddit is unmoderated
2020194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T00:16:13.0510000-05:00And I don't read it
2021194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T00:16:26.8790000-05:00So maybe go see what they have to think about your email
2022604867525423005738noble_goblin2020-05-26T05:13:05.2940000-05:00This mornings catch-up was less interesting with coffee. Why do people continue to feed trolls and thus end up turning into them?👍 (1)
2023547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-26T07:24:31.6330000-05:00ah, Reddit. I read sections occasionally but the whole upvote bandwagon and weird threading has me not registering an account for years now.
2024547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-26T07:28:56.1780000-05:00appears to be mostly Dwight on DMS reddit
2025604867525423005738noble_goblin2020-05-26T08:19:42.5500000-05:00Eh. It's a public face of the space. It should be somewhat monitored if nothing else
2026194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T08:21:31.8550000-05:00It was created for the same reason I made the discord, to be a place where the board doesn't have control over the content
2027194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T08:22:42.4840000-05:00It was quite handy when talk suddenly got shut down entirely and posts about mysterious contract signing were disappearing from talk
2028604867525423005738noble_goblin2020-05-26T08:27:45.2400000-05:00That why I said monitored and not modded
2029604867525423005738noble_goblin2020-05-26T08:28:08.3580000-05:00I fully support the free speech idea for non-public faces
2030300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-26T09:00:50.5590000-05:00are we talking dallasmakerspace or DallasMakerSpace?
2031194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T09:01:52.9630000-05:00Hwut
2032194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T09:02:19.2570000-05:00I don't reddit, but I didn't think caps in urls did anything
2033300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-26T09:03:34.4700000-05:00🤷‍♂️ me no reddit either, except the occasional trawl
2034604867525423005738noble_goblin2020-05-26T10:41:01.8990000-05:00pretty sure caps mean nothing
2035488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-26T10:43:50.6020000-05:00CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
2036194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T11:26:01.7030000-05:00https://media.tenor.com/images/e557f2fb2084c8578b4bec88b5c005cc/tenor.gif😆 (1)
2037262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-05-26T11:31:09.5710000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/714878304120864848/Screenshot_Discord_Official.png?ex=67b9530d&is=67b8018d&hm=7c409bc53fb400b44610ce45e0d0e4c621e853edd96da2634fe7871f196ea112&
2038262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-05-26T11:31:27.3030000-05:00@pearce 😛
2039194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T11:33:11.5790000-05:00I declined the offer
2040194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T11:33:20.0030000-05:00Pay wasn't good enough
2041262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-05-26T11:33:24.9530000-05:00lol
2042300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-05-26T12:15:46.9880000-05:00Even if quadrupled the pay would still suck
2043189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:15:53.7950000-05:00We need a DMS Kik and tiktok ran by disgruntled members
2044189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:18:42.7030000-05:00I'll take over dms tiktok, not a disgruntled member
2045189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:19:32.1290000-05:00Like most tiktok it would be stolen youtube videos formated to pop music and weird video effects
2046540021655909695488michaelb52502020-05-26T12:24:42.0150000-05:00Where would we find disgruntled members though?
2047189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:24:51.8240000-05:00ACME
2048189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:25:46.2480000-05:00I need to be younger and more attractive for tiktok, maybe another volunteer😆 (2)
2049400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-26T12:31:33.9550000-05:00> This mornings catch-up was less interesting with coffee. Why do people continue to feed trolls and thus end up turning into them? @NobleGoblin Because his trolling was working. He got an emotional response out of me and I responded by insulting him. It's something I can definitely improve on. It's not easy for me to stay calm in that kind of situation, but I think if I take it as kind of a personal challenge, over time I can get better at it.👍 (1)
2050262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-05-26T12:32:36.5660000-05:00I've worked on my responses to Freddy ... mainly just ignore now
2051262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-05-26T12:33:40.8610000-05:00I don't let him goat me anymore
2052189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:34:33.6900000-05:00https://vm.tiktok.com/wo7QrU/
2053189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:34:47.9060000-05:00My only dms tiktok video
2054115183069555589125aceat642020-05-26T12:35:35.6460000-05:00> Video currently unavailable
2055547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-26T12:38:49.8160000-05:00here I thought tiktok was all about whatever flavor of $AttractiveFemale was popular this week
2056189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:40:44.1240000-05:00That too, once the algorithm finds what you like though, im finding a ton of maker DIY videos
2057400392357230673920james_david_vance2020-05-26T12:41:08.1340000-05:00I've been listening to the Joe Rogan podcast with Steven Pinker, a cognitive psychologist. He talks about how we evolved to be nice to people because if we do so, we are seen as valuable to have as friends, but that the people who do this in a very calculating way, who do the bare minimum or who expect stuff in return often don't get the benefits because they're seen as selfish, even though they are kind. And this whole system inky works when everyone is able to keep track of who did what. So when you remove that accountability by introducing anonymity, the system kind of breaks down.
2058189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:41:11.0810000-05:00Its a huge platform too not just rich entitled teens
2059547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-26T12:41:53.8730000-05:00because YouTube is too conformist?
2060189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:42:28.1500000-05:00To me its Vine 2.0 with better video editing built in👍 (1)
2061189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:42:56.1960000-05:00Like its really nice to edit videos in tiktok, compared to the traditional way
2062189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:43:32.9530000-05:00That said there is a lot of youtuber content professionally edited but truncated to 30sec for the ADD audience
2063547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-26T12:43:45.2050000-05:00the few times I've done video editing it involved breaking out VirtualDub and waiting ... some time ... for the re-encode
2064547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-26T12:44:27.0540000-05:00distilled to 30sec ... ***all **the jump cuts*
2065189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:44:44.1930000-05:00Yep some people are really clever though
2066189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T12:44:55.5630000-05:00Story telling in 30 sec like vine 10sec
2067547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-26T12:51:24.9820000-05:00not like YouTube isn't immune to the phenomenon - plenty of longer videos that use the style
2068194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T13:02:19.9230000-05:00Didn't tic tok just get busted for directly pushing "ugly, poor, outlier" profiles down in the algorithm?
2069189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T13:38:29.3990000-05:00I heard that
2070189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T13:41:10.6300000-05:00Or down voting trans or LGBTQ videos, it is a chinese company so I wouldn't doubt it. I see a few non binary people on tiktok, I think the algorithm works off view duration, likes, and comments I think ugly poor outlier is just a human nature thing
2071547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-26T13:45:51.5660000-05:00if they're like most money-oriented companies they'll chase *whatever works* with other considerations being secondary
2072189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T13:58:53.3400000-05:00They still have ToS so nudity and illegal stuff gets removed quickly hopefully. Or else it would just be 4chan
2073316809616828923904hon1nbo2020-05-26T14:03:06.3990000-05:00I can't imagine a 4chan with audio
2074189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T14:04:26.0280000-05:00Hence Kik
2075189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T14:05:04.3590000-05:00Give people anonymous chat and let the dark side of human nature take over
2076630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-05-26T14:10:45.2290000-05:00Hell, half the times you don't have to be anonymous to get the dark side of people...
2077194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T14:10:56.3970000-05:004chan does have audio now because of webm
2078194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-26T14:11:02.0130000-05:00its not an upgrade
2079189645236908064768themitch222020-05-26T14:57:23.2110000-05:00It just means I have to mute the porn
2080547106163842613259nullinterface2020-05-26T15:44:31.4970000-05:00Chrome: *mute site*
2081488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-27T13:10:59.1140000-05:00🤡
2082300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-27T13:16:44.3400000-05:00ha. as if to PROVE I don't reddit:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/715267260238921728/unknown.png?ex=67b96bcb&is=67b81a4b&hm=a799657d63c2f33caea02494e2acb22d91d5e270f99fbe9effe4cf1973656ccf&
2083488485682184978442yashsedai2020-05-27T13:19:06.6410000-05:00lies
2084300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-27T13:19:42.0340000-05:00the first, dallasmakerspace is r/dallasmakerspace while the second (with no members) is u/dallasmakerspace which I thought was 2 "accounts" (and I suppose sort of is...one user, one...whatever the heck r stands for)
2085194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-27T13:31:07.0420000-05:00yeah u/ is for users
2086194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-27T13:31:21.1670000-05:00r/ stands for reddit👍 (1)
2087300083517877125121andrew51522020-05-27T13:34:08.8150000-05:00are there other x/entities? or just u/ and r/ ?
2088194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-27T13:37:10.5360000-05:00not sure
2089194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-05-27T13:37:19.0570000-05:00thats most of my reddit info👍 (1),😆 (1)
2090488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T17:42:12.4300000-05:00@aceat64 I wasn't aware that DMS celebrated pride month.....That whole politics and non profit not mixing business.....
2091189645236908064768themitch222020-06-01T18:01:22.5500000-05:00Since the dms discord is the official unofficial DMS chat
2092115183069555589125aceat642020-06-01T18:04:00.6220000-05:00Yup, discord is unofficial and we wanted to celebrate it
2093247943708371189761breastiny2020-06-01T18:04:18.1580000-05:00Its not political
2094488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:04:19.8110000-05:00we?
2095488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:05:12.7890000-05:00How is it not political?
2096247943708371189761breastiny2020-06-01T18:05:40.4730000-05:00How is it political?
2097488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:05:55.8460000-05:00lol
2098488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:05:58.3910000-05:00nice dodge
2099247943708371189761breastiny2020-06-01T18:07:23.9880000-05:00Why should what people are attracted to be something anyone should be against?
2100247943708371189761breastiny2020-06-01T18:07:41.5190000-05:00How does it hurt our country?
2101388213344236077056doug.emes2020-06-01T18:08:21.8320000-05:00Actually, we should politely request the official dms logo not be modified for branding. But I totally support just using letters with either the original 8 color band, or a reduced color band
2102194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-01T18:12:54.6810000-05:00the logo has no official colors, as stated on the wiki😂 (2)
2103488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:13:21.2780000-05:00I don't see how the association helps the org
2104194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-01T18:14:48.6940000-05:00i dont see how it hurts the org💜 (2)
2105488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:14:52.3610000-05:00The org should have no association. It should remain neutral
2106488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:15:05.2070000-05:00Logo insinuates support....
2107540021655909695488michaelb52502020-06-01T18:20:31.4490000-05:00God forbid we support people making perfectly acceptable life choices.👆 (4),💜 (4),👍 (2)
2108488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:21:29.3050000-05:00Or, there is just absolutely no place for it within our org....It's got nothing to do with it...
2109300083517877125121andrew51522020-06-01T18:22:14.7570000-05:00lifestyle agnostic is a much better look for an eclectic organization like ours.
2110300300278903734282mell.jpg2020-06-01T18:23:15.3520000-05:00I think lifestyle acceptance might be better look for us.👍 (2)
2111488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:23:27.2370000-05:00Feel free to do you, but leave the org out of it
2112300083517877125121andrew51522020-06-01T18:25:26.5870000-05:00@mell I agree, but I don't think we mean the same thing. I haven't seen any ichthys incorporated recently, but I know plenty of our members swing that way, too.
2113300083517877125121andrew51522020-06-01T18:26:50.2900000-05:00These types of displays tend to middle finger one faction while being supportive of another.
2114488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:27:24.4950000-05:00^^
2115194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-01T18:29:29.6220000-05:00i wanted an animated one with all the flags, but can only ask for so much when im not doing the work myself❤️ (2)
2116540021655909695488michaelb52502020-06-01T18:30:12.5690000-05:00You can do a gif channel icon?
2117194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-01T18:30:21.6990000-05:00yep
2118194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-01T18:30:29.4590000-05:00because the server is boosted
2119250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-01T18:30:29.6040000-05:00As an org that was founded in part by a trans woman, I'd say this is spot on personally.
2120488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:31:05.7140000-05:00What does sexual orientation/attraction/etc have to do with DMS? Not a damn thing.....
2121189645236908064768themitch222020-06-01T18:34:17.8360000-05:00Usually we oust the homophobic members or they do it themselves, its happened before.
2122488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:34:54.6280000-05:00@themitch22 what does that have to do with this conversation?
2123189645236908064768themitch222020-06-01T18:35:49.0350000-05:00Just the memories of certain rants at a member meeting. Reminiscing
2124488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:36:04.7180000-05:00Ah, so nothing at all
2125189645236908064768themitch222020-06-01T18:39:27.3440000-05:00Since this is unofficial wouldn't it be the mods call?
2126488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:40:03.4250000-05:00unofficial or not, its the org's logo....
2127488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:40:26.9120000-05:00doesn't take a lot of brainpower to realize that there is no reason to associate the two
2128250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-01T18:40:33.4040000-05:00The community is super queer, dude. Get over it.
2129488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:40:49.7920000-05:00Again, whats does that have to do with the org?
2130488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:41:01.5560000-05:00The org by definition can't be queer ... its not alive....
2131250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-01T18:42:29.6190000-05:00You're right. Without the community, DMS wouldn't exist.
2132488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:42:54.9140000-05:00You can try to justify it all you want.
2133488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:43:31.1400000-05:00No place for these kinds of politics in business....
2134488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:43:58.1710000-05:00Oh and from a stats perspective, you'd be wrong....
2135250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-01T18:44:19.4400000-05:00I wasn't aware you were keeping track.
2136189645236908064768themitch222020-06-01T18:44:28.5600000-05:00In the channel DMS-politics
2137488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:44:43.0170000-05:00It's not hard to gauge
2138488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:44:49.1260000-05:00Spend some time at the space
2139488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:44:52.4330000-05:00you might see for yourself
2140300083517877125121andrew51522020-06-01T18:50:44.2690000-05:00It is a pity to pit two factions against one another, regardless of the numbers on either side.
2141488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:50:56.2910000-05:00That's my whole point
2142488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T18:51:28.9290000-05:00It's not about whether you believe a certain way or not, just abstain from it there doesn't need to be anyone having an issue...
2143250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-01T18:54:53.3340000-05:00I love this channel. People keep coming in and making the best cases for electing them.
2144488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T19:13:17.9020000-05:00So now I'm unelectable because I think that you should keep your causes out of business? Tell me how that makes any sense...
2145488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T19:13:52.8030000-05:00Sounds like you might be intolerant to me.
2146488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T19:14:18.5630000-05:00Wish that wasn't the case...
2147247943708371189761breastiny2020-06-01T19:31:06.1010000-05:00My cause is to be accepted and not be treated like less than human when someone learns of my way of life.
2148247943708371189761breastiny2020-06-01T19:31:52.9360000-05:00Which they will because I shouldn't have to hide who I spend time with when I'm socializing
2149488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T19:32:09.0770000-05:00Nobody is asking you to hide or saying your cause is wrong.
2150717174539385045072phreddy05912020-06-01T19:40:15.5670000-05:00You're on the wrong side of history dude get over it
2151488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T19:40:27.3890000-05:00Am I?
2152488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T19:40:38.6520000-05:00Would love to hear how you think that is the case
2153262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-01T19:47:07.6250000-05:00Well, I don't see a trans burlesque show on the calendar yet .. 😛 ... I don't think many would complain about the rainbow logo ...
21542463520683260641298bit_orin2020-06-01T20:48:41.8980000-05:00Here are 30 companies that chose to chase the gay dollar last year. https://www.newsweek.com/these-30-brands-are-celebrating-pride-giving-back-lgbt-community-1441707
2155488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T20:50:08.5230000-05:00Good for them. We are a non profit. Has absolutely nothing to do with us.
21562463520683260641298bit_orin2020-06-01T20:50:36.9820000-05:00Non-profit with paid membership.
2157488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T20:50:50.3380000-05:00And?
21582463520683260641298bit_orin2020-06-01T20:51:39.9110000-05:00And reaching out to the local community encourages membership. The same as businesses using pride merchandise to encourage sales.
2159488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T20:52:20.7940000-05:00So do so without messing with DMS's logo, IDGAF.
2160488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T20:52:31.4730000-05:00DMS the org has no business doing that.
2161488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T20:53:38.5130000-05:00DMS the org has no business alienating anyone at this point...
21622463520683260641298bit_orin2020-06-01T20:53:47.8070000-05:00I don't think the logo has actually changed. I believe it's just a image on the Discord.
2163488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T20:54:00.4340000-05:00Hence why we are talking about it here
21642463520683260641298bit_orin2020-06-01T20:54:35.9530000-05:00I small sign of solidarity for the day and for the moment.
2165488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T20:54:53.7010000-05:00what does the flag have to do with the moment?
21662463520683260641298bit_orin2020-06-01T20:55:10.0290000-05:00June is pride month in the US
21672463520683260641298bit_orin2020-06-01T20:55:28.5440000-05:00Among other several holidays recognized this month.
2168488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T20:55:29.8780000-05:00Why does the DMS logo need to be involved in pride?
2169488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T20:55:48.0310000-05:00It doesn't represent the org or it's opinion...
2170488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T20:55:56.7590000-05:00It only serves to divide.
2171390229081221890048pixle.craft2020-06-01T20:56:32.3500000-05:00hey everyone this is Michael jumping in
2172390229081221890048pixle.craft2020-06-01T20:56:51.7320000-05:00im really glad you asked the question
2173390229081221890048pixle.craft2020-06-01T20:57:29.1160000-05:00i do think this first comes down to how do you view LGBTQA?
2174488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T20:57:37.0880000-05:00No it doesn't at all
2175390229081221890048pixle.craft2020-06-01T20:58:11.8360000-05:00would you care to chat i really would like to hear your openion on the matter
2176488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T20:58:34.4800000-05:00I'm not stating my opinion on the matter. That is just an invitation to make it about me.
2177540021655909695488michaelb52502020-06-01T20:59:39.6270000-05:00> DMS the org has no business alienating anyone at this point... @yashsedai who do you think is being alienated here?👍 (3)
2178488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T21:00:11.1720000-05:00I dunno anyone who doesn't believe that way? Anyone that believes that DMS shouldn't have involvement in politics?
2179390229081221890048pixle.craft2020-06-01T21:01:04.8520000-05:00well next time the sapce is open id like to talk with you in leagth about this
2180390229081221890048pixle.craft2020-06-01T21:01:47.1890000-05:00we have always had really wonderful talks in the past and id like to hear your point 🙂
2181488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T21:02:06.5900000-05:00Always happy to talk
2182390229081221890048pixle.craft2020-06-01T21:02:13.8270000-05:00i know its a comnplex topic so i know its hard to convay in chat
2183390229081221890048pixle.craft2020-06-01T21:03:08.6260000-05:00ok doki take care ❤️
2184488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T21:03:32.1040000-05:00you as well
2185568651370820010004ex__machina2020-06-01T22:14:11.6170000-05:00For once I agree with yashsedai. I think we should all be deeply ashamed of our sexuality.😆 (1)
2186488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T22:16:28.5680000-05:00hah
2187115183069555589125aceat642020-06-01T22:41:28.2290000-05:00Wait is that Alan? 🤣
2188529874076752150539judykriehn37272020-06-01T22:57:48.1870000-05:00I'm having a hard time comprehending how sexual orientation or identity is "politics." But them I'm old and mostly liberal...
2189115183069555589125aceat642020-06-01T22:59:01.7320000-05:00I'm libertarian and I made the server image change
2190488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T23:17:57.0490000-05:00So why do you think it's appropriate to use the DMS logo for this?
2191568651370820010004ex__machina2020-06-01T23:24:45.3820000-05:00Can I suggest that liberalism demands of us that we tolerate, while progressivism requires that we validate.
2192488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T23:25:39.3600000-05:00by that logic you would be tolerant of people who don't share the same opinion
2193568651370820010004ex__machina2020-06-01T23:26:44.3330000-05:00Definitely
2194568651370820010004ex__machina2020-06-01T23:34:12.6940000-05:00If you decide not to be deeply ashamed, we can still live on the same planet.
2195540021655909695488michaelb52502020-06-01T23:38:23.0630000-05:00'I'm uncomfortable' is a bad reason to avoid a conversation.
2196488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T23:40:11.6070000-05:00this isn't about a conversation
2197488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T23:40:24.1190000-05:00its about implying that DMS supports one cause or another, has bias one way or another.
2198540021655909695488michaelb52502020-06-01T23:41:39.1710000-05:00Well, as far as discord goes I think that the support is pretty clear.
2199488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T23:43:18.9210000-05:00discord can support all they want, leave dms logo out of it
2200488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T23:43:32.1670000-05:00in case you haven't noticed, thats my issue
2201488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T23:44:38.3320000-05:00former board members of DMS know better
2202488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T23:44:43.6090000-05:00so do current officers
2203262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-01T23:45:08.3440000-05:00What is your opinion on "Deliberate misgendering. This includes deadnaming or persistently using a pronoun that does not correctly reflect a person's gender identity" ?
2204540021655909695488michaelb52502020-06-01T23:47:56.7140000-05:00No it seems like the logo is just a way to avoid talking about how you aren't comfortable with the support. If the logo goes away this whole conversation does to, and we can all go back to pretending everything is fine. But like I said, that's a bad way to avoid the discussion
2205488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T23:49:41.7540000-05:00Riiiight... so you can make it how I'm intolerant or some ..ism... uhuh
2206488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T23:49:55.0550000-05:00It didn't need to happen.
2207488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-01T23:52:00.0530000-05:00Folks can play dumb about how this isn't a political statement all they want. You wouldn't do it for a religion....
2208262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-01T23:56:55.5290000-05:00Sure ... we've put up Christmas Trees before
2209540021655909695488michaelb52502020-06-02T00:02:34.7350000-05:00I mean if you had asked me like 4 years ago I probably would've left the server when they made that change. I would've preached for hours that I accepted people and it's all cool, but I know that flag would've made me really uncomfortable. I would've (and I did) made the same argument 'we don't need to be involved' and 'if we just pretend it was never an issue it'll go away'. No one does it for Christianity in the US because, at least here, they haven't had historical struggles. When someone tells you theyre a Christian the default reaction is pretty nuetral. Growing up, if someone introduced themselves as gay, oh man that was not ok at all. I can't speak for the admins, but to me all it's trying to say is that we're past that behavior. And I think that's a perfectly reasonable (and not at all political) statement to make.💯 (2)
2210262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-02T00:05:09.7500000-05:00I agree with that @michaelb
2211488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T00:07:20.8010000-05:00I'm not following the if we just pretend it was never an issue it will go away...I'm not saying that in the least. I'm still looking for someone to explain to me why the DMS logo and the pride flag need to be combined and displayed as if DMS supports it. That is not what DMS is about, at all. I keep seeing excuses made about why it is ok.
2212488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T00:08:33.4170000-05:00The claim keeps being made its unofficial, well then don't use the logo if you can't use it as it is.
2213540021655909695488michaelb52502020-06-02T00:10:58.2530000-05:00> It's not about whether you believe a certain way or not, just abstain from it there doesn't need to be anyone having an issue... That's what I'm referring too, maybe I misunderstood what you meant.
2214189645236908064768themitch222020-06-02T00:11:29.4170000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/717243975211417640/41X7Pb1cmCL._AC_.jpg?ex=67b95c81&is=67b80b01&hm=00b7b3da026e1ddc67644adec93015744dca38abfa330801fa4deda25c494a57&
2215488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T00:11:46.6280000-05:00oh the irony mitch
2216227585388544393219axeonos2020-06-02T00:38:14.5360000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/717250707299762186/FB_IMG_1586913815159.jpg?ex=67b962c6&is=67b81146&hm=820f46e8891bf59e5530806543411a2b7981d7aa286022b0f556efcaa2d2c8bd&
2217115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T00:46:41.7200000-05:00The owner of the copyright for the logo approves of this variant
2218115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T00:47:23.7240000-05:00It's released under CC BY-SA 3.0
2219250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T00:53:30.3540000-05:00Lol you can say my name.
2220115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T00:53:42.1430000-05:00Legally I think I have to
2221115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T00:53:52.2570000-05:00Logo is by @Toenolla
2222250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T00:54:00.8280000-05:00XD
2223343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-06-02T00:55:07.1170000-05:00Didn't expect all this animosity from a logo color change. I don't tend to think of my partner choices as political statements.
2224250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T00:56:45.8690000-05:00Right? Me either.
2225262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-02T00:56:56.8330000-05:00LOL @aceat64
2226115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T00:58:57.8890000-05:00Honestly it's a silly argument, all things are political in one way or another
2227250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T00:59:43.6470000-05:00Didn't we run a Edward Snowden themed car at LeMons one year?
2228488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:00:54.1640000-05:00Toenolla, based on what I've seen you dont do much thinking at all, just reporting everything in the world on the forum
2229488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:01:50.0670000-05:00It's like everything offends you, oh how rich the irony
2230115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:01:54.9680000-05:00There's a fundamental misunderstanding on the limits of 501c3 prohibition on political activity👍 (2)
2231250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T01:02:55.2010000-05:00Eh. I'm not the one who's been ranting all day about a palette swap.
2232488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:03:00.5330000-05:00Doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize you dont do dumb shit like that.
2233488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:03:26.2580000-05:00Lol I oppose this, you flag everything everyday, yep that compares
2234115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:03:37.8340000-05:00Nonprofits are not prohibited from engaging in political activity, they're prohibited in campaigning for a candidate running for office
2235186677066790338561aesuna2020-06-02T01:03:48.4110000-05:00Would it be more in the spirit of DMS to put it to a vote?
2236488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:04:10.4480000-05:00It would be more in the spirit to not do it at all.
2237115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:04:12.1290000-05:00As far as I'm aware, pride month does not implicitly or explicitly endorse a candidate
2238488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:05:34.4710000-05:00If you notice Andrew, I never suggested it was prohibited, only bad form due to alienating your customer base...
2239488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:06:00.9640000-05:00No reason to show bias either way
2240343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-06-02T01:06:15.7620000-05:00DMS has a higher than average LGBT count.
2241488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:07:07.5700000-05:00Yes it could be 7 or 8 percent
2242343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-06-02T01:07:21.8530000-05:00With plenty of allies
2243488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:07:33.8390000-05:00Over the 2.5 percent state average
2244250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T01:08:33.3250000-05:00True, though we don't have to be super queer ourselves to be accepting.
2245488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:08:45.9720000-05:00This isnt about acceptance
2246488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:08:53.6410000-05:00You keep trying to make it that
2247115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:11:05.1730000-05:00It actually is about acceptance, and arguably it's also good marketing
2248250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T01:11:23.2490000-05:00That's..... Exactly what pride is about. Inclusion.
2249488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:11:59.0210000-05:00Except DMS doesnt make those kinds of statements
2250488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:12:08.5250000-05:00It has no reason to be involved
2251488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:12:22.1370000-05:00It's about tools etc
2252115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:12:25.3940000-05:00That's not historically true of DMS
2253250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T01:12:35.2250000-05:00I can't wait to hear what Freddy thinks it's about.
2254343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-06-02T01:13:08.0080000-05:00LGBT people are a lot less hesitant about something if they know they will be welcome
2255115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:14:06.2120000-05:00DMS use to make all kinds of statements that could be considered political in nature
2256343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-06-02T01:14:14.1120000-05:00I wasn't there in the early days, but i feel like I remember hearing that out of 100 members only 5 were women, of which none were natural born women
2257250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T01:14:27.8550000-05:00Loads. A lot that I didn't agree with.
2258488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:14:43.0560000-05:00Well sorry to say the old guard is gone
2259488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:14:55.2320000-05:00Ain't the current reality
2260115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:15:15.7050000-05:00Anyone remember the drones "graffiti"? Designed to evoke discussion about the surveillance state
2261343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-06-02T01:15:18.3240000-05:00I ain't seeing the majority agree with you
2262488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:15:36.6130000-05:00I dont care about a majority
2263250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T01:15:42.7640000-05:00The first were Alyssa, me, Shona and Nicole iirc.
2264115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:15:51.2500000-05:00> I wasn't there in the early days, but i feel like I remember hearing that out of 100 members only 5 were women, of which none were natural born women @ferricyanide That's very incorrect
2265343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-06-02T01:16:25.8020000-05:00Ah then i was told incorrectly.
2266115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:17:03.1180000-05:00Nicole, my wife, was on the very first board
2267250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T01:17:04.3240000-05:00I'm not saying we had an easy time of it in the early days. There were some board members who were...very...unwelcoming. They didn't last.
2268488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:17:21.9590000-05:00Unwelcoming how
2269343401228493127681ferricyanide74752020-06-02T01:17:39.4700000-05:00don't give him any ideasx
2270115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:17:56.8870000-05:00There are views expressed by some that would be today called incel
2271488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:18:05.0660000-05:00Lol
2272115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:18:59.9610000-05:00DMS was very fringe back then, and not always in a good way lol
2273250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T01:19:29.8930000-05:00It's only been up from there.
2274227585388544393219axeonos2020-06-02T01:19:41.8420000-05:00So are we changing the logo to red white and blue next month? Red and green in December... or is this a one time thing?
2275115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:20:04.6600000-05:00I'll consider Halloween
2276250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T01:20:47.2530000-05:00Do we still have photos of that DMS logo jack-o'-lantern someone made?
2277115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:21:17.6270000-05:00I've got an archive somewhere, too tired to look now
2278250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T01:22:50.3930000-05:00I'll say this, when I designed it I was trying to make something that was flexible. I'm really glad to see all the creative takes people have had on the logo over the years.
2279115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:27:38.5610000-05:00I think having different colors for each committee was really useful too
2280115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:28:13.1870000-05:00Same logo, but individualized to each group
2281250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T01:32:23.1620000-05:00Fun fact... There's an electric plug in the negative space on the logo, and the border is the core. Originally the idea was to have the cord plug into different tools representative of different areas, but we dropped it due to time constraints.
2282250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T01:32:47.1850000-05:00The border is the cord. Cord. Dumb autocorrect.
2283250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T01:42:25.5070000-05:00As for holidays... Heck yeah do it up like a Google doodle
2284488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:46:31.6670000-05:00Draco the rule enforcer, that shit is rich
2285488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:46:55.4950000-05:00More like Draco the alt truth master
2286115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:47:53.5430000-05:00Is he still here? I've had him blocked for a while now
2287488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:48:09.1880000-05:00He is unfortunately
2288488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:48:53.2420000-05:00I havent read his shit here, he was whining on talk saying he didnt ever say stan shouldnt be punished
2289115183069555589125aceat642020-06-02T01:50:19.6530000-05:00I'm still waiting to know what the math is for hours volunteered to dollars you're allowed to take
2290488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:50:54.6450000-05:00Haha
2291488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:54:00.9070000-05:00I'm sure in @Draco mind the hour to dollar number is low
2292488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:54:07.8290000-05:00Cause kumbaya
2293488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:54:48.1170000-05:00I bet he figures dms should just pay you to be a member cause reasons
2294488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:59:02.4870000-05:00Maybe Cairenn will give a speech about it
2295488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T01:59:53.6690000-05:00Even better he can get the bylaws group back together and make it official. Wait wait, that wont ever happen
2296488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T02:00:18.2190000-05:00Too much fireball
2297488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-02T02:03:44.9970000-05:00And mensa
2298262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-02T02:35:38.1160000-05:00@aceat64 .... Take nothing and feel no pain.
2299262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-02T02:38:11.1760000-05:00Stan is banned ... get on with your life .. I have
2300262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-02T02:38:48.2780000-05:00I said as much in a PM to Freddy earlier
2301547106163842613259nullinterface2020-06-02T07:35:58.5200000-05:00@aceat64 I'm also waiting for my *DMS volunteer hours refund*
2302540021655909695488michaelb52502020-06-02T07:36:44.9410000-05:00https://media.tenor.com/images/ae8a776758818a6754a70696130b52f9/tenor.gif
2303547106163842613259nullinterface2020-06-02T07:38:34.3030000-05:00Or was there special additional rate for hours spent in the common room I missed out on?😛 (4)
2304441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-06-02T13:34:31.4540000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/717446062486454443/IMG_20200314_204123_421.jpg?ex=67b96ff6&is=67b81e76&hm=504dcb1928b59dad7957f783b1b174f5c96226e32f86cd9d3037aea82df80330&❤️ (2),ccHeartRainbowWave (3)
2305250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-02T13:37:00.8750000-05:00Trippy!
2306441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-06-02T13:37:09.7210000-05:00Fun with lights
2307305578709048623104dawsmart2020-06-02T20:17:04.1420000-05:00Oh NOW I see the cord. Neat!
2308325498566762299393mizgeek2020-06-03T01:04:33.3200000-05:00I’m behind... My opinion isn’t important, but I like a pride logo for this month... And what’s wrong with Mensa?
2309115183069555589125aceat642020-06-03T01:09:00.6510000-05:00I've only ever seen one kind of person brag about being in mensa
2310115183069555589125aceat642020-06-03T01:09:25.6320000-05:00And every time I have doubted their claim lol
2311325498566762299393mizgeek2020-06-03T01:10:43.6530000-05:00It’s not always a brag... just an explanation for our weirdness. This also explains a lot...https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/717621251442475068/image0.jpg?ex=67b96a5f&is=67b818df&hm=5745a56acca42992af0345faec3208767041528d0ba63b3cfaf501d00dd8e428&
2312325498566762299393mizgeek2020-06-03T01:12:53.1650000-05:00So which makes me stranger? 😁
2313488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T01:22:47.5290000-05:00Caireen makes all sort of claims about being a mensa member...
2314488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T01:22:50.7320000-05:00Bahhahaha
2315388213344236077056doug.emes2020-06-03T01:34:29.5560000-05:00I haven't renewed my dues in year, but I was in mensa for over a decade and attended the national convention whenit was in houston as a young adult👍 (1)
2316325498566762299393mizgeek2020-06-03T01:37:08.7520000-05:00I’ve been in Mensa off and on since 1979. When I moved back to Dallas in 2009, I thought it would help me get over California. It didn’t, but I’ve made some good friends. I’m in FireHouse which is all the black sheep of Mensa. 😁
2317325498566762299393mizgeek2020-06-03T01:37:51.8230000-05:00National Convention is in Houston again in 2021. I’m hoping to go.👍 (1)
2318300080747673288704kenpurcell2020-06-03T08:21:18.1030000-05:00Funny quote ```The first thing you need to know is that no one has a good reason for joining Mensa. Pretty much anyone who tries to join a high-IQ society does so, ultimately, because he or she is an insufferable jerk. ``` https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/12/05/talk-nerdy-to-me-my-year-in-mensa/
2319456226577798135808Deleted User2020-06-03T09:59:47.6740000-05:00I think when things are too negative for too long, it creates a thirst for positivity. I think if someone were to run and completely ignore all the bullshit and just state a positive vision, they would do very well. If they're able to answer the clique's bait and disingenuous criticism with a positive vision, and just kind of rise above it, people would be happy to leave all the bullshit behind.
2320189645236908064768themitch222020-06-03T10:10:19.4180000-05:00IQ tests are not something I'd want to judge a person on. I do believe book knowledge and street knowledge have their place, just being able to solve puzzles and have spacial skills just makes you a better engineer or programmer.
2321630619995063189504quattroquattro2020-06-03T10:15:35.6140000-05:00@themitch22 or a better gameshow contestant
2322189645236908064768themitch222020-06-03T10:29:58.5260000-05:00Yeah I still can't get more than like 10 jeopardy questions
2323456226577798135808Deleted User2020-06-03T11:49:28.8490000-05:00If the message of the logo is to show support of LGBTQ+ sexuality, I think it might be misleading since some people here are not welcoming of them. If I were a Christian who believed that gay sex was immoral, I would not want my views to be misconstrued by such a message because I'm associated with the space. To be clear, I think that hateful, intolerant speech on the basis of sexuality should not be tolerated. I would argue that the logo change while not hateful, expresses intolerance on the basis of religion. It can be reasonably interpreted to mean that "we are a group of people who support LGBTQ+ sexualities" I'm only going to respond to arguments against what I'm saying. Not ad hom attacks, nor ad hom fallacies, nor identity politics, nor arguments against a strawman.
2324575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T12:03:14.8350000-05:00I think making policy on the basis of not offending bigots is a bad look. But that's just me.👍 (9),👏 (1)
2325325498566762299393mizgeek2020-06-03T12:03:55.7310000-05:00Obviously my main talent is I’m good at bubble tests. Journalists often join Mensa to tear it down. Bitter and cynical crosses all IQs. Many of us enjoy it because in any conversation, we don’t have to prove our intelligence. All of us are “smart.” There are jerks in every group... (I’m looking at you, Talk.)👍 (2)
2326262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-03T12:12:45.0080000-05:00As far as I'm aware, someone else could create another Discord Server and modify the logo with Christmas Trees if they wanted to. The logo is creative commons. It really isn't DMS doing it. The board didn't decide, there was no vote. It is Pearce's server and he can do what he likes but so can you. That is one of the things I love about DMS.
2327194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-03T12:14:44.0870000-05:00The logo also hasn't been altered
2328194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-03T12:14:53.9980000-05:00As there's no official colors👍 (1),👆 (1)
2329262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-03T12:23:39.6260000-05:00That said, I agree it is intolerance of some beliefs. No argument on that point. One of our missions is to "Promote scientific, cultural, and artistic advancement." I think exploring the LGBTQ+ culture in this way, fits within our mission.
2330194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-03T12:25:11.6930000-05:00I think we can leave religion in the past and be better for it. We saw how it gets used just recently this week
2331194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-03T12:25:43.8600000-05:00That's just politics tho. Not DMS politics
2332262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-03T12:28:46.1640000-05:00I'm not keen on organized religion. People can believe whatever they want, though. It is when they start telling me that I have to follow their beliefs, or else... that we have an issue.
2333262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-03T12:51:08.3920000-05:00https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/690404549776637972/717797534839341066/8756922391196596.webp?ex=67b965cc&is=67b8144c&hm=355561b9ce88bcd772ce443c05bb56802ee2bb5c50e97cc45051e8716832dcc1&
2334488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:33:06.1400000-05:00@pearce really?
2335488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:33:35.6990000-05:00I'm guessing you don't know much about the history of that church and US presidents....
2336488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:33:42.0030000-05:00Can't say I'm suprised
2337488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:34:49.7930000-05:00And Draco, it seems your arguement works for lgbt as well, stick it in peoples faces and some have a problem
2338575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:38:42.3530000-05:00@yashsedai Why are you so adamant that DMS makes sure not to piss off bigots?
2339488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:39:20.5350000-05:00Why are you so adamant that you attempt to piss off people that don't believe in it?
2340488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:39:34.1180000-05:00It's kinda cute that you would label someone a bigot for not agreeing
2341575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:39:37.6510000-05:00"believe in" what?
2342488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:39:46.5570000-05:00haha nice try
2343575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:39:54.8710000-05:00you said it, not me
2344575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:40:21.0180000-05:00did you not understand the words you typed?
2345488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:40:33.9390000-05:00I perfectly do, I also understand what you are about.
2346575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:40:42.9820000-05:00please enlighten me
2347488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:40:45.8950000-05:00Nah
2348488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:40:50.8520000-05:00Not gonna play that game
2349488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:41:26.3670000-05:00Oh the irony...tolerance...
2350575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:41:58.9130000-05:00"You have to tolerate my hatred!"
2351488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:42:13.9330000-05:00What are you calling hatred?
2352488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:42:32.2270000-05:00A difference of opinon is hatred?
2353575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:43:45.1530000-05:00What is it you're saying I believe in? >Why are you so adamant that you attempt to piss off people that don't believe in it? What is "it" that people don't believe in? Are you incapable of typing a noun?
2354488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:44:47.7670000-05:00The subject of this continuing discussion?
2355488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:45:10.5360000-05:00you claimed bigotry...
2356250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T14:45:18.2700000-05:00"DMS supports LGBTQ people" is just a fact. We have explicit protections in our code of conduct, and we've had queer people in leadership from day one.
2357575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:45:40.5490000-05:00still can't say it?
2358575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:46:13.3660000-05:00I'd think you know what you're talking about, if you're saying people believe in it and that upsets others
2359575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:46:19.0750000-05:00I guess you don't know what you're talking about
2360488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:46:54.3070000-05:00@Toenolla so what if there was queer people in leadership
2361488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:47:20.7200000-05:00So what if there are "protections", which any sane individual would see for what they are.
2362488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:47:27.5640000-05:00Doesn't make DMS a supporting org
2363250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T14:47:29.3590000-05:00I realize that might leave some people conflicted, but that seems like an internal struggle. We have a lot to offer as a community, and I think most people see that.
2364488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:48:46.0290000-05:00I love the attempt at painting disagreement as bigotry or "internal struggle"
2365488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:49:16.0740000-05:00lgbt has shit to do with dms
2366488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:49:34.1570000-05:00thats like saying dms is pro black because we have black members...
2367488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:49:45.2680000-05:00its disingenious
2368575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:49:50.1250000-05:00Which parts of the anti-harassment policy do you feel should be revoked?
2369488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:50:10.3240000-05:00Which parts do you feel should be removed?
2370575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:50:30.9960000-05:00I asked you first
2371488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:50:53.6790000-05:00Any part that forces someone to cow to the concept of some made up fantasy
2372575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:51:19.1110000-05:00Pretty vague.
2373488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:51:25.7080000-05:00not really
2374575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:51:31.0690000-05:00I'll retreat to my previous position - you don't know what you're talking about.
2375488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:51:38.3160000-05:00feel free to say that
2376488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:51:45.9030000-05:00doesn't make it truthful or relevant
2377250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T14:51:50.0010000-05:00"Pro-black" what the hell? What else is there?
2378488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:52:18.0180000-05:00are you serious?
2379575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:52:24.7340000-05:00You're the one unable to articulate your position with specificity, so it's obvious you either don't know what you're talking about, or you don't know how to say it?
2380488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:52:45.7400000-05:00i can articulate my position fine
2381488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:53:06.7360000-05:00Keep your rainbow flag religion to yourself
2382488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:53:18.8770000-05:00i'll keep my beliefs to me
2383575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:53:21.7820000-05:00So far we have DMS shouldn't let folks know they won't be hassled about their gender/sex/gender identity/sexuality and now we have DMS shouldn't be pro-black
2384575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:53:28.5210000-05:00what else do you believe
2385488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:53:59.0480000-05:00right, you seem to fail at understanding false equivalency
2386488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:54:29.9720000-05:00dms has no business in the latest fashion of the day, we aren't a clubhouse anymore...
2387488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:55:00.4840000-05:00nor should we pander to ever special interest group out there, the most specific of which is a single individual
2388488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:55:14.6650000-05:00you act as if not stating opinion make someone anti
2389488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:55:20.3900000-05:00thats just not how logic works
2390488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:55:29.8570000-05:00thats how social justice pressure works
2391488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:55:41.0130000-05:00and someone obviously in the past caved to that ridiculousness
2392575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:55:42.7510000-05:00Here's the anti-harassment policy. You can tell us specifically which parts are wrong, just type the number(s) you don't like
2393575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:55:43.2760000-05:00Harassment is prohibited and will not be tolerated. Any person who feels they have been the victim of harassment should ask the harasser to cease the behavior, if they feel safe doing so. Members or guests asked to stop any harassing behavior are expected to comply immediately. Harassment includes the following, without limitation: 1 Offensive comments related to race, religion, gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability, or physical appearance 2 Gratuitous sexual or obscene images or behavior in spaces where not appropriate 3 Unwelcome physical contact or sexual attention without consent or after a request to stop 4 Threats or incitement of violence towards any individual, including encouraging a person to engage in self-harm 5 Deliberate intimidation by words, gestures, body language, or menacing behavior 6 Stalking 7 Harassing photography or recording, including logging online activity for harassment purposes 8 Continued one-on-one contact or communication after requests to cease 9 Deliberate "outing" of a sensitive aspect of a person’s identity without their consent 10 Deliberate misgendering. This includes deadnaming or persistently using a pronoun that does not correctly reflect a person's gender identity
2394575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:56:28.2810000-05:00I guess if you don't like number 1 you'll need to be specific about whether you want to be a racist, or whatnot
2395488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:56:36.7030000-05:00see there you go again
2396488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:56:44.7520000-05:00trying to claim that disagreeing = racism
2397575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:56:52.0320000-05:00that's the policy. Tell us where it's wrong.
2398488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:57:17.0290000-05:00There doesn't need to be a list...
2399575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:57:33.7210000-05:00ok which ones would you take off the list
2400488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:57:36.5740000-05:00lol
2401488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:57:46.3330000-05:00you daft?
2402488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:57:56.6350000-05:00i just said there doesn't need to be a list
2403488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:58:00.8750000-05:00Offensive comments works...
2404488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:58:43.6710000-05:002 seems reasonable
2405488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:58:52.2380000-05:00so does 3
2406488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:59:12.4310000-05:004 is unenforcable
2407488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:59:20.0450000-05:005 is unenforcable
2408540021655909695488michaelb52502020-06-03T14:59:26.2280000-05:00> dms has no business in the latest fashion of the day, we aren't a clubhouse anymore... Like someone pointed out above, plenty of 'not a clubhouse' businesses have decided to do exactly what we did here.
2409575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T14:59:26.6150000-05:00I'd imagine there wasn't always such an extensive list but "don't make us make a rule" prevailed "it's just a joke bro" was probably said how about number 1, you skipped that
2410488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:59:27.2560000-05:006 is a legal definition
2411488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T14:59:52.5040000-05:007 is vague and unenforcable
2412488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:00:00.5350000-05:008 seems reasonable
2413488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:00:10.3370000-05:00albeit not the orgs business
2414250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:00:14.1220000-05:00@jswilson64 this took years, and tons of offenses.
2415250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:00:34.0640000-05:00you're on the money
2416575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:00:47.9250000-05:00no comment on the first item on the list,
2417540021655909695488michaelb52502020-06-03T15:00:50.3950000-05:00Ayyy it's a gif!
2418575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:00:51.2700000-05:00says volumes
2419488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:00:52.4200000-05:009 and 10 have no basis in reality
2420488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:01:01.0930000-05:00does it now?
2421575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:03:40.8900000-05:00I like how you're ok with "No offensive comments" being a rule but then you don't think deliberate misgendering is real and offensive
2422575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:06:09.1310000-05:00Maybe you'd feel safer at DMS if we added "we won't hassle if you if you're an admitted bigot" to the list
2423488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:06:14.8840000-05:00Seems somoene might have missed that kindergarten lesson on sticks and stones.
2424488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:06:33.6850000-05:00I'm a bigot for having a differing opinion that you don't know or understand?
2425575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:07:03.3820000-05:00I didn't say that. I said maybe DMS should clarify that it won't allow harassment of bigots.
2426488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:07:22.8120000-05:00lol
2427250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:07:44.9400000-05:00@pearce I like that better, the top and bottom stripes kinda got lost in the other one.
2428575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:08:10.7090000-05:00Calling someone a name they don't want to be called is the victim's problem because "sticks and stones" - is that really where you want to stand?
2429194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-03T15:08:12.8780000-05:00discord does weird cropping
2430250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:08:36.1700000-05:00yeh
2431575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:08:52.0470000-05:00Yeah that logo is better. More purply.
2432488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:08:52.4380000-05:00@jswilson64 you act as if a rule is going to change that
2433575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:09:40.2400000-05:00You dodged that pretty deftly.
2434488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:10:22.8420000-05:00lemme guess, you need a safe space
2435575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:10:22.9500000-05:00Why all the evasiveness?
2436575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:10:50.6120000-05:00Safe space? I'm not the one triggered by a rainbow.
2437441059988341915648anutterbutter2020-06-03T15:11:02.8370000-05:00Ooo, fancy!
2438194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-03T15:13:50.3980000-05:00boosting the server does cool stuff, its an emoji too :dmspride:❤️ (1)
2439575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:13:59.2670000-05:00nice!
2440250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:14:16.8520000-05:00nice!
2441488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:14:39.6040000-05:00I'm triggered because I asked for it to be neutral rather than bias?
2442250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:14:46.3000000-05:00I had no idea it animated! It only does it when you mouse over so thanks for posting the emoji
2443575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:15:09.5260000-05:00Yes, you're triggered
2444575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:15:34.5050000-05:00:dmspride:
2445488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:15:36.4770000-05:00lol
2446250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:15:42.6430000-05:00I don't recognize the pink-yellow-blue one
2447263153628141977603kentamanos2020-06-03T15:16:32.4170000-05:00TIL: https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/loftlgbtcenter/pages/6555/attachments/original/1510264919/Pride_Flags_For_Sale.png?1510264919
2448250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:16:46.5600000-05:00oh!
2449575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:16:50.4120000-05:00coolio!
2450263153628141977603kentamanos2020-06-03T15:17:14.2940000-05:00I had no idea there were so many
2451250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:18:28.8800000-05:00Of course I'm familiar with the trans one. I've become a pretty active trans ally *koff* because of DMS *koff*
2452575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:19:25.1260000-05:00Does DMS have a flagpole?
2453250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:19:42.4570000-05:00I don't think so. We'd have to ask the landlord to put one in.
2454263153628141977603kentamanos2020-06-03T15:24:09.6800000-05:00Seeing some bigger lists now with more Googling etc. I still remember Googling "blue sticker with yellow equals sign" when I first started seeing those stickers. Was a hard thing to Google, but always saw a lot of them driving around on moving vehicles without a chance to ask about it.
2455250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:25:09.7760000-05:00yeah. whenever you see a symbol like that, it's good to look it up. no telling what you'll learn!
2456250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:26:35.1690000-05:00(sometimes bad stuff, mostly good stuff)
2457547106163842613259nullinterface2020-06-03T15:28:00.5900000-05:00the red background one seems to have become the new standard
2458263153628141977603kentamanos2020-06-03T15:29:03.8670000-05:00I see that one on their page etc., but I don't know if I've seen one yet.
2459262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-03T15:29:55.0200000-05:00@yashsedai .. Do you think transgenders are really the gender they claim to be?
2460194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-03T15:30:18.4140000-05:00theres no way the landlord is putting anything out front
2461250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:30:37.0420000-05:00Didn't think so...heh
2462250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:31:02.9460000-05:00@Draco he doesn't. He already said as much.
2463194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-03T15:31:03.6660000-05:00also like 90% of the non parking space out front has those dastardly power lines really low on it👆 (1)
2464547106163842613259nullinterface2020-06-03T15:31:20.1630000-05:00we'd be coughing up for it
2465262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-03T15:32:00.6300000-05:00I would say the pole might go on the end of the building
2466547106163842613259nullinterface2020-06-03T15:32:07.6200000-05:00probably bigger priorities for us than a flagpole (that we'd barely maintain)
2467250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:32:25.3610000-05:00low enough I can hold up a flourescent and get light, and I'm a short
2468488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:33:53.0040000-05:00oh and btw draco, you are not a dragon either....sorry bud
2469547106163842613259nullinterface2020-06-03T15:34:13.6940000-05:00inb4 *attack helicopter*
2470262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-03T15:35:35.4720000-05:00Well, you're not an anime character ... and?
2471250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:36:14.2390000-05:00hey @pearce I know you've done a lot of work already, but any chance we could get still versions of the flag emoji? Discord wants me to pay for the privilege of posting the animated one.dmspride (5),👍 (1)
2472488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:36:31.4770000-05:00lol draco i've never claimed to be
2473488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:36:37.7750000-05:00you have claimed in person to be a dragon
2474262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-03T15:37:53.2130000-05:00Ohhhhhhhh yes .. I remember .. Kris was making me a mask
2475262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-03T15:38:06.9530000-05:00cosplay dude
2476250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:39:30.4080000-05:00Brilliant thank you!
2477488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:39:55.8730000-05:00uhuh
2478488485682184978442yashsedai2020-06-03T15:39:58.4310000-05:00riiight
2479262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-03T15:41:13.2270000-05:00If I was a dragon.. how the hell would I fit into DMS?
2480250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:41:36.2600000-05:00You could be one of those cute baby dragons
2481262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-03T15:41:58.1140000-05:00😉
2482575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:42:16.0540000-05:00Being true to my 6-year-old self, I am actually Batman
2483547106163842613259nullinterface2020-06-03T15:43:08.0370000-05:00prediction: people will alter their *fundamental form* at an increasing rate in the future as we live lives bombarded with ever more idealized imagery and have the technology to do so (relatively) cheaply and effectively
2484194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-03T15:43:24.9880000-05:00cyberpunk is going to be awesome
2485250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:43:32.0710000-05:00On a semi-serious note, I don't identify as any gender so I expect to fade from existence any minute now.
2486547106163842613259nullinterface2020-06-03T15:44:36.2890000-05:00more or less everything that sci-fi, comics, anime, etc have envisioned has the potential to come to pass
2487247943708371189761breastiny2020-06-03T15:44:43.7930000-05:00Human rights really seems to inconvenience a lot of people at the DMS. I'm glad the allies are loud though 😊👍 (1),dmspride (2)
2488575724747594268682jswilson642020-06-03T15:45:20.8140000-05:00I've been waiting for my flying car since about 1970
2489194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-03T15:46:07.7620000-05:00"wheres my jetpack"
2490250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:47:07.1460000-05:00where IS my jetpack? I coulda sworn I left on the counter....
2491547106163842613259nullinterface2020-06-03T15:49:44.9970000-05:00to the extent that there are going to be flying cars, they're probably going to be autonomous. and not very car-like.
2492194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-03T15:50:17.8250000-05:00im totally down for that
2493194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-03T15:50:46.3110000-05:00or like minority report style highways full of pod cars
2494547106163842613259nullinterface2020-06-03T15:51:25.6150000-05:00because barring some wild advancements in propulsion technology, it's difficult to make something heavy-duty enough for the road that also has the power to fly
2495194641296529424386canibalcrab2020-06-03T15:51:55.7350000-05:00that whole take off thing is a bitch
2496547106163842613259nullinterface2020-06-03T15:52:22.7830000-05:00along with that whole "not falling out of the sky" thing
2497547106163842613259nullinterface2020-06-03T15:52:40.5390000-05:00the FAA is mighty keen on that point
2498262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-03T15:52:52.7540000-05:00I should show up sometime with a dragon mask and suit of armor ... gotta figure out the tail though
2499262734618447446016draco_the_drake2020-06-03T15:53:18.0820000-05:00I'm sure someone has plans
2500250129661219176449toenolla2020-06-03T15:54:07.1940000-05:00I could make you a moving one. Been working on my animatronics chops.
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