============================================================== Guild: DallasMakerspace Channel: Committees / computer-committee ============================================================== [4/16/2017 11:12 PM] denzuko https://github.com/sm00th/bitlbee-discord {Embed} https://github.com/sm00th/bitlbee-discord sm00th/bitlbee-discord bitlbee-discord - Bitlbee plugin for Discord (http://discordapp.com) https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/OROqkNFQ3G4J6hDWyftNBLMlUA336Zc0LkKlgL7bXi8/%3Fv%3D3%26s%3D400/https/avatars2.githubusercontent.com/u/194702 [4/16/2017 11:26 PM] denzuko https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/2v2jce/irc_client_for_commodore_64/ {Embed} https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/2v2jce/irc_client_for_commodore_64/ IRC Client for Commodore 64? • r/techsupport Hey all! This is going to be a weird question but I was reading online that you can buy a cartrage online to connect your C64 to the internet (not... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/47b4r3RknMLLADC9882C6Tb7Ilof4KD9IF8-7-X_npk/https/www.redditstatic.com/icon.png [4/16/2017 11:29 PM] denzuko https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki-Recent_Changes-IRCBot {Embed} https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:MediaWiki-Recent_Changes-IRCBot Manual:MediaWiki-Recent Changes-IRCBot Not to be confused with Manual:Wikibot, a configurable PHP-based bot framework. [4/16/2017 11:31 PM] denzuko https://github.com/earwig/earwigbot {Embed} https://github.com/earwig/earwigbot earwig/earwigbot earwigbot - A Python robot that edits Wikipedia and interacts with people over IRC https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DTobUehyl751zO7tpimhz6Dnb120h9rPgCnQcwRtD6k/%3Fv%3D3%26s%3D400/https/avatars2.githubusercontent.com/u/637235 [4/20/2017 9:35 PM] themitch22 Found the overflow of the c128 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/304807261639933952/JPEG_20170420_213449.jpg?ex=67b937e2&is=67b7e662&hm=398230536623cf7377d0f4887a8163a53fde81f2c9855b47641948c427ff9a19& [4/21/2017 9:07 AM] denzuko lol [4/21/2017 9:07 AM] denzuko what was the program listing? [4/21/2017 8:53 PM] themitch22 x = x * 2 [4/24/2017 2:09 PM] denzuko def fn fib(x) = x * x [4/24/2017 2:09 PM] denzuko for x = 1 to 10000 [4/24/2017 2:09 PM] denzuko print fib(x) [4/24/2017 2:09 PM] denzuko next x [4/24/2017 2:09 PM] denzuko 😃 [4/24/2017 2:57 PM] themitch22 What's the program it's displaying now [4/24/2017 2:57 PM] themitch22 It looks pretty cool [4/24/2017 2:58 PM] themitch22 I'll see if I can get a cheap sd card from tanners and figure out the floppy drive adapter thing [4/24/2017 4:36 PM] denzuko the one kimbers wrote?! [4/24/2017 4:36 PM] denzuko hit break a few times then return it should return back to the editor and then one can type `LIST` [4/24/2017 10:09 PM] themitch22 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/306265486033813505/JPEG_20170424_220938.jpg?ex=67b93ff6&is=67b7ee76&hm=bd579b04d6231d833d01dfa7c7ddc0a2412a8f6825bfcaf4dfaea069568394f0& [4/25/2017 8:45 AM] denzuko yeah that's the one [4/25/2017 8:46 AM] denzuko catch me at the space after the python classes I'll show you how to bring up the code that's running and we can post a screenshot of it in here/on talk [4/27/2017 7:43 AM] uglyknees I have a "oldish" mac. Not a Lisa not a box. Just a computer from long ago. Works. Sitting in a corner doing nothing. I was going to make it into a music station or a photo album but if you guys have a higher calling for it let me know [4/27/2017 7:44 AM] uglyknees {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/307134878003232768/image.png?ex=67b91de5&is=67b7cc65&hm=98ef0d60ef011a9881d05c9653f4889a0cba9d2bcdd863aa340605df3e21e494& [4/27/2017 5:22 PM] themitch22 ooo [4/27/2017 5:22 PM] themitch22 I liked that model iMac [4/27/2017 5:22 PM] themitch22 It would be cool to replace with a raspberry pi 3 (which has way more processing power than the G4 I think) [4/27/2017 5:23 PM] themitch22 but I have no plan on storing it not would VCC have space [4/28/2017 9:41 AM] rshill_ I have one of these! I've been thinking about doing something with it.. [4/28/2017 5:24 PM] denzuko @uglyknees I have the storage space and we can do an imac piece in q3 [4/28/2017 5:24 PM] denzuko @themitch22 actually the g4 would be about as powerful or more so than a rpi [4/28/2017 5:25 PM] denzuko https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1429312?tstart=0 [4/28/2017 5:25 PM] denzuko maxes out at 2gb (might be able to do more with tweaking and running puppy linux) [4/28/2017 5:28 PM] denzuko you know what... lets do a pc drag race 😉 we'll benchmark both and see which "retro"/"vintage" pc can go toe to toe with a rpi [5/1/2017 5:00 PM] paulmofyourhand Updated my nes arcade stick with Bluetooth, lipo, and charger. Wired up the power switch to the slide switch on top. Going to finish and sell this then build another one with a pi inside [5/1/2017 5:00 PM] paulmofyourhand {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/308724490769268736/image.jpg?ex=67b8f796&is=67b7a616&hm=ace77d04e8a40bca5ead9d840ae54405529323a82a3410311f3dc67575e96a33& [5/1/2017 5:01 PM] paulmofyourhand {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/308724594414452736/image.jpg?ex=67b8f7af&is=67b7a62f&hm=1c9e66ac0004928768ebcb5f06b6f4a69adf0af0d340358fee260c597d218ea2& [5/1/2017 5:04 PM] canibalcrab nice! [5/1/2017 6:31 PM] denzuko I'm down for buying it, if it has a pi zero w and solar charging to the lipo [5/1/2017 6:32 PM] denzuko ok ok.. maybe I just want a cyberdeck that's a rpi zero w with solar charging and a large lipo [5/1/2017 6:33 PM] denzuko http://gizmodo.com/heres-a-pretty-legit-gibsonian-cyberdeck-1787039243 {Embed} http://gizmodo.com/heres-a-pretty-legit-gibsonian-cyberdeck-1787039243 Here's a Pretty Legit Gibsonian Cyberdeck Back in the mid-80's, the “cyberdeck”—the neural-connected, on-the-go interface from William Gibson’s Sprawl Trilogy—captured the imagination of every cyberpunk fan. IMGUR user D10D3 has uploaded pics of one of the slickest attempts at a real Ono-Sendai Cyberspace 7 I’ve seen. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/itjV6cvZ10YZ3y9bDMGL8A4OqoXY5Q8C6_YsAdAJnis/https/i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XBpme-Yp--/c_fill%2Cfl_progressive%2Cg_center%2Ch_450%2Cq_80%2Cw_800/i1fcgbimujndxgcfsfng.jpg [5/2/2017 10:42 AM] dave01972 Hi guys, [5/2/2017 10:48 AM] dave01972 The North Dallas Area Retrocomputer meetup group meets three or four times a year at the Makerspace. There is a good representation of Makerspace members in the meetup, but it's a good mix of folks, including some who drive from as far away as Houston. We have diverse interests and there's usually a good mix of retrocomputers to talk about and demonstrate. Members are invited to bring something for show-and-tell, or just to stop by and chew the fat. We are scheduling a summer meetup, and so far the best dates are looking like July 15 or July 29. July 22 is excluded because that conflicts with KansasFest. I invite you all to join. It's not necessary to join the meetup, but it helps to join and RSVP, for pizza planning purposes. {Reactions} 👍 [5/2/2017 10:49 AM] dave01972 https://www.meetup.com/North-Dallas-Area-Retro-Computing/ {Embed} https://www.meetup.com/North-Dallas-Area-Retro-Computing/ North Dallas Area Retro Computing Retrocomputing is usually classed as a hobby where enthusiasts often collect rare and valuable hardware and software for the collectible value or to have fun in the use of it. Many expensive systems l https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1wmc6XFT6pnARl4-Z2TE90N5-ID_imwlBYuEbR6--9I/https/secure.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/9/7/2/e/highres_220718702.jpeg [5/3/2017 1:28 AM] themitch22 Is the 8bitguy going to be there? [5/3/2017 1:43 AM] raymond011905 he was at my house last week. look for a future video with a suitcase sized cp/m portable. 😃 {Reactions} 😃 [5/3/2017 1:45 AM] raymond011905 i was the guy in his c128 video that was using the logic probe to troubleshoot and repair it [5/3/2017 5:31 PM] denzuko I find it interesting/ironic he did a c128 video the same week we got c128 books and materials in the museum. [5/4/2017 6:42 PM] canibalcrab I'm in search of 4-5 floppy disks [5/4/2017 6:42 PM] canibalcrab Preferably unmarked [5/4/2017 6:43 PM] raymond011905 8"? 5.25? 3.5? DD? HD? hard sectored? soft sectored? etc... [5/4/2017 6:44 PM] canibalcrab Geez [5/4/2017 6:44 PM] canibalcrab Uhh [5/4/2017 6:44 PM] canibalcrab 3.5 probably. [5/4/2017 6:44 PM] canibalcrab I have to counterfeit a prop in a war game [5/4/2017 6:46 PM] raymond011905 Color? [5/4/2017 6:46 PM] raymond011905 i have a bunch but won't be back until the weekend [5/4/2017 6:47 PM] andrew5152 I'll check my stash, but honestly, unmarked is unlikely (and my stash is not what it once was) [5/4/2017 6:49 PM] canibalcrab I can probably sticker over them. It's for wasteland so they will probably get dirtied up [5/4/2017 6:50 PM] canibalcrab I'm still waiting to hear back about color. They were apparently lost 2 years ago. [5/4/2017 6:50 PM] canibalcrab *I'm* gonna be the one who finds them [5/4/2017 6:51 PM] canibalcrab I already made nuke codes that they are searching for [5/4/2017 6:54 PM] canibalcrab {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/309840161791803395/oldcodes.png?ex=67b91223&is=67b7c0a3&hm=1d820c77af4c7fccd43a2b867212c7849a5d0436b60b7198fb21d13cdf3975a8& {Reactions} 👌 [5/4/2017 6:54 PM] canibalcrab {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/309840167613628426/new_codesfixed.PNG?ex=67b91224&is=67b7c0a4&hm=1d523142f2466f8864a70300cf610f0910a3e7860c43846880980036c3bb6403& [5/5/2017 12:32 PM] denzuko I may have one or two.. let me check the inventory [5/5/2017 12:34 PM] denzuko are you using them just as a prop or need to write data to them? [5/5/2017 12:34 PM] denzuko if your doing just a prop then amazon has https://www.amazon.com/Silicone-Coaster-Diskette-Novelty-Non-slip/dp/B00R87RPX8/ref=sr_1_13?ie=UTF8&qid=1494005608&sr=8-13&keywords=floppy [5/5/2017 12:34 PM] denzuko (still going to check the inventory though) [5/5/2017 12:51 PM] canibalcrab It would be awesome if we could keep it working. I want to put a copy of missile command on it if possible [5/5/2017 2:03 PM] dave01972 8bitguy is in the meetup group, so there's a chance. Once the date is set, folks can RSVP through meetup, and you can see who plans to show up. [5/5/2017 2:54 PM] dave01972 The Meetup is scheduled for July 22, 2017 from 3-6pm at the Makerspace interactive classroom. Any kind of show and tell is welcome. Or just come to shoot the breeze with other retrocomputing nerds. This is a diverse group of hobbyists, so we see the popular machines (apple,atari,commodore,etc.), but also some S-100 systems, single-board computers, foreign somputers, and other neat, unusual stuff. [5/5/2017 2:55 PM] dave01972 I think it would be cool to have a "repair table" set up, to bring in and discuss works in progress as well. [5/5/2017 3:53 PM] raymond011905 I'll have to see if I can make it in July. I'm happy to set up a repair table and bring up one of my solder stations, logic probe, and tools/parts. 😃 [5/5/2017 11:41 PM] dave01972 Got the date wrong, sorry. It's July 29. July 22 conflicts with KansasFest, and some members will be going. [5/5/2017 11:42 PM] dave01972 @Raymond--That would be awesome. [5/6/2017 7:15 AM] missydee12064974 KansasFest? The band or the state? [5/6/2017 7:29 AM] raymond011905 state... it's a bit retro apple thing [5/7/2017 8:43 AM] limeytx @pearce pearce, did you get discs yet? I should be at the space later today and have a bunch [5/8/2017 11:15 AM] denzuko !help [5/8/2017 11:15 AM] denzuko hmm.. [5/8/2017 11:15 AM] denzuko !budget [5/8/2017 11:46 AM] canibalcrab No, still don't have info on what color we needed [5/8/2017 1:51 PM] mr.clark6147 Is there any chance any of you have enough pull with someone at IBM to convince them that Lotus Notes is a vintage program and should be permanently retired from general use and relegated to museums and interactive displays, freeing us from it's ever-crashing nonsense? [5/8/2017 3:49 PM] denzuko @mr.clark6147 sadly no.. they like it way too much despite even the majority of IBM says its legacy and needs to be deprecated. I think it would be easier to convince end users to switch to something better than to convince big blue thier wrong. [5/8/2017 5:27 PM] denzuko Finally!! an arm board with 8Gb of DDR4 ram and 256 CUDA cores: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813190007&ignorebbr=1 [5/8/2017 5:57 PM] denzuko {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/311275422295785472/FB_IMG_1494284210165.jpg?ex=67b904d3&is=67b7b353&hm=803609e94a6fa6a05aa5a6b85f85ee1ed438a66fd92d0b2f94fd2a8b3f385674& {Reactions} 😻 [5/12/2017 9:53 PM] uglyknees @Denzuko.sdf.org I'm just now seeing this. If you can use it I don't mind donating it. [5/12/2017 10:03 PM] denzuko all donations are welcome [5/12/2017 10:04 PM] denzuko I'll be by the space tomorrow afternoon and Tuesday evening [5/15/2017 9:07 AM] raymond011905 The only thing that keeps Lotus Notes from dying is corporate users who have integrated apps using it. takes too much work to get migrated. [5/15/2017 7:51 PM] themitch22 Eww lotus notes [5/16/2017 8:30 PM] canibalcrab Back on the floppies question. Any way I can get 4 black floppies? [5/17/2017 7:15 AM] andrew5152 @pearce Here's what I have in my stash. If you really want black, I have plenty, but none without labels. If you want other colors, what you see is what I have. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/314375258318831616/floppies.jpg?ex=67b91706&is=67b7c586&hm=bdaf6ac6f503ae8bf7df70fd5130f2592af108a814c84aad8cf943c1053f68fd& [5/17/2017 10:57 AM] limeytx I have blue and grey discs if needed [5/17/2017 11:02 AM] raymond011905 I should have some NOS black disks. I know I have a lot of other bright colors too. [5/17/2017 6:44 PM] canibalcrab Since we can't get any​ info on the ones I'm trying to replace, I'm just going to stick to black disks [6/1/2017 9:54 AM] denzuko right so.. are there any items that we need to put on the agenda for vcc's meeting? [6/1/2017 9:56 AM] denzuko Personally, I think what we can run on the raspberry pi cluster being one of them and also discussion on our 6502 project would be another. [6/3/2017 11:01 AM] err4nt Sadly I won't be able to make the next vintage computing meet, conflicts with defcon. 😦 [6/5/2017 10:14 PM] mrcity Well @errant there seem to be 2 meetups, Dave's at DMS and then one that Rob Ivy is putting together on Facebook down in Ft Worth some other time in July I think [6/12/2017 9:50 AM] denzuko compute grid being installed tonight {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/323836352460357632/IMG_20170612_094826.jpg?ex=67b93b5b&is=67b7e9db&hm=20a7a5aef9d75c95b551ced6c3398de544ab0d48595f7659cf77f4fabddfc618& {Reactions} ☝ [6/12/2017 2:41 PM] denzuko Brand new Newsletter: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-developments-and-grid-computing/22489 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-developments-and-grid-computing/22489 VCC Developments and Grid Computing VCC News Quarterly - Issue 1, volume 1 Welcome fellow makers. Vintage Computers Committee has a lot to update you with today. Below you'll find our future developments and details for the up comming quarter. Grid Computing After a long overdue await the vintage computer committee is finally getting traction on our grid computing system, titled as Vintage Computer Community Grid. We'll be using a DIN rail system with POE to power a cluster of Raspberry Pi's running BOINC and Docker Swarm (v... https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/303381963111268354/323836352460357632/IMG_20170612_094826.jpg?ex=67b93b5b&is=67b7e9db&hm=20a7a5aef9d75c95b551ced6c3398de544ab0d48595f7659cf77f4fabddfc618& [6/12/2017 6:50 PM] denzuko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G8nn2lE23Y1 {Embed} https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G8nn2lE23Y1 Pascal's Day http://www.computerhistory.org/tdih/June/19/ In honor of Mathematician Blaise Pascal, we'll be booting up DOS and programming basic a 'hello world' applicati... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/q6F3LTihuhi5UfwS6Nih10gA7-TqIGlczQvjOzrKjuQ/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/5G8nn2lE23Y/maxresdefault_live.jpg [6/16/2017 8:52 AM] denzuko @Ashley_Newland any plans to add a login to the sign or could the committee login to the pi ourselves? [6/16/2017 1:01 PM] ashley_newland8586 @denzuko what sign? :o [6/16/2017 4:59 PM] denzuko the digital one which got left for Vintage Computers [6/16/2017 5:03 PM] denzuko you know signpi [6/16/2017 7:16 PM] ashley_newland8586 I'll add it to my to do list! Do you just go to the website on the sign to set one up? [6/23/2017 9:33 PM] denzuko I'll be able to do that in a few minutes if I had login info for the pi [7/18/2017 10:25 AM] denzuko SNMP monitoring script template https://hastebin.com/kumunubaqe.bash [7/18/2017 10:27 AM] denzuko https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/an-introduction-to-snmp-simple-network-management-protocol {Embed} https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/an-introduction-to-snmp-simple-network-management-protocol An Introduction to SNMP (Simple Network Management Protocol) | DigitalOcean SNMP, or simple network management protocol, is a standard internet protocol used to monitor remote servers, gather information, and even modify states and values on other hosts. Mostly leveraging a client-server model, the protocol is very mature and https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hCz6aPcbgPOSHs41hNkVrYsaelvwQLNsrXBvMk7LNTg/https/www.digitalocean.com/assets/community/default_community_sharing-65c1cc547375d6e37cc45195b3686769.png [7/18/2017 10:27 AM] denzuko https://www.dev-eth0.de/blog/2016/12/06/grafana_snmp.html {Embed} https://www.dev-eth0.de/blog/2016/12/06/grafana_snmp.html Grafana: Monitor SNMP devices with Telegraf and InfluxDB This post shows how to configure telegraf to push snmp data into an influx database. [7/18/2017 10:28 AM] denzuko Thinking about doing a class on scada/IoT using snmp as the message bus [7/18/2017 10:31 AM] denzuko note to self: read up on https://dzone.com/articles/restful-snmp-over-http to create a snmp restful api to do snmp set and json results {Embed} https://dzone.com/articles/restful-snmp-over-http RESTful SNMP Over HTTP: Part I - DZone Integration Learn about mapping SNMP protocol into something that's more modern and API-friendly and that follows RESTful logic, beginning with OIDs and SNMP objects. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5cKWsmq1Sa4WJ535Bd0GhaP4qv0t2jj0H4N9CHDeVz4/https/dz2cdn4.dzone.com/storage/article-thumb/4666435-thumb.jpg [8/1/2017 2:19 PM] denzuko @here anyone up for a vintage lanparty? [8/7/2017 1:16 PM] denzuko New Article on Telegraf, Grafana, and Influxdb is up on our Hackday site. https://hackaday.io/page/3579-introduction-to-tigk-stack-for-iot {Embed} https://hackaday.io/page/3579-introduction-to-tigk-stack-for-iot Introduction to TIGK stack for IoT | Hackaday.io The TIGK Stack is a collection of associated technologies which combine to deliver a platform for storing, capturing, monitoring and visualizing data that is in time series. The TIGK stack consists of the following technologies: Telgeraf – collection of tie sequential data from a range of sources including IoT devices.InfluxDB – high performance and efficient database store for handling high volumes of time-series data.Grafana  – real-time visualization of InfluxDB data.Kapacitor – monitoring and alerting based on views of InfluxDB data and anomalies contained within those views.As we can see from this tech stack, TIGK is perfect for monitoring IoT devices in real-time to automate complex systems such as a manufacturing plant.Basic Feature Set of TIGK As this is a combination of technologies, it is best to introduce the key features of each part of the TIGK stack thus: Telegraf – lightweight and efficient with support for multiple data sources. Comes complete with over 40 plugins to help with input and output. Can interface with messaging systems such as Apache Kafka and with third party API from Google and Amazon.InfluxDB – open source, a simple architecture capable of handling unstructured data. High performance with inbuilt horizontal scaling through server clustering. Standardized native API and https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bNRvVhhuEVrzl27iamkBYt5mz-JPK6swbfS3IOfHi94/https/cdn.hackaday.io/images/278671459450590037.png [8/7/2017 1:49 PM] denzuko because who needs vim: https://www.etsy.com/listing/208258132/emacs-keyboard?&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_a-electronics_and_accessories-computers_and_peripherals-other&utm_custom1=09b0354a-039c-46e8-8e48-3562ac9926f0&gclid=Cj0KCQjwn6DMBRC0ARIsAHZtCeNV2XDpnhKldj4DSJya4aGnQnH86YghSb_eYiuayBFdUCWz7BoYR6UaAuWeEALw_wcB [8/8/2017 8:37 AM] themitch22 Nice Amiga, any plans for it @Denzuko.sdf.org ? [8/8/2017 10:34 AM] denzuko Yes, https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIX {Embed} https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIX AMIX AMIX (Amiga UNIX) ist ein kommerzielles UNIX-Betriebssystem der Firma Commodore und speziell auf die Amiga-Rechner der Firma ausgerichtet. In den 1990er Jahren entwickelt, galt das 68k-basierende Unix-Derivat als eine der besten Implementierungen... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/abMD3O6RsVySDYHHyAwA0Y-1ZcY7Sl6xsUW-I9PbfVs/https/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Amigaunix.jpg [8/8/2017 10:34 AM] denzuko then running http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/current.html [8/8/2017 10:35 AM] denzuko and http://k4kpk.com/notes-on-aprs-kiss-and-setting-up-a-tnc-x-igate-and-digipeater [8/8/2017 10:37 AM] denzuko Bill is still working on his python project, Would you don't mind I'd like to keep the c128 at the space where both bill, the membership and yourself has access to it? [8/11/2017 2:40 PM] denzuko http://blog.kihltech.com/2012/12/sata-hotswap-drive-in-mdadm-raid-array/ {Embed} Robert Kihlberg http://blog.kihltech.com/2012/12/sata-hotswap-drive-in-mdadm-raid-array/ SATA hotswap drive in mdadm RAID array {Reactions} 👌 [8/11/2017 10:49 PM] mizgeek Is the king of vintage computing around tonight? [8/13/2017 11:41 PM] denzuko Lol. I'm usually there Tuesday and Thursday [8/16/2017 12:11 PM] denzuko Recreated the wall admin app in under 30mins using react, rethinkdb/horizon and its got more features under the hood. Check it out at https://solaris-daplanet.c9users.io/ [8/16/2017 12:11 PM] denzuko code is available: https://ide.c9.io/daplanet/solaris [9/29/2017 8:40 PM] denzuko https://blog.docker.com/2017/09/introducing-docker-global-professional-certification-program/ {Embed} Niamh Obyrne https://blog.docker.com/2017/09/introducing-docker-global-professional-certification-program/ Introducing the Docker Global Professional Certification Program - Docker Blog Docker is excited to announce the first and only official professional certification program for the Docker Enterprise Edition (EE) platform. The new Docker Certified Associate (DCA) certification, launching at DockerCon Europe on October 16, 2017, serves as a foundational benchmark for real-world container technology expertise with Docker Enterprise Edition. In today’s job market, container technology skills are highly sought after and this certification sets the bar for well-qualified professionals. The professionals that earn the certification will set themselves apart as uniquely qualified to run enterprise workloads at scale with Docker Enterprise Edition and be able to display the certification logo on resumes and social media profiles. The DCA is the first in a comprehensive multi-tiered certification program and the exam was created by top practitioners using a rigorous development process. It consists of 55 questions to be completed over 80 minutes covering essential skills on Docker Continue reading... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/s-E2CNAoVIW7JlLQUNEOYrMkpXwWkWJPeBtuET15QkE/https/blog.docker.com/wp-content/uploads/e2c860a2-bec5-4964-9e52-a5ea1417d057-2.jpg [10/17/2017 7:18 PM] limeytx Hey @Denzuko.sdf.org I tried to connect to minecraft server, getting connection errors [10/18/2017 9:50 PM] denzuko @Limey (MReynolds) made a few updates, any luck connecting? [10/18/2017 9:50 PM] limeytx i'll give it another go [10/18/2017 9:51 PM] denzuko righty oh [10/18/2017 9:52 PM] denzuko @here ok, so it's gut check time. How do you guys feel VCC has done over the past year and is there anything we could do better? [10/18/2017 11:52 PM] limeytx It worked for a short time. Had issues breaking blocks even outside of starting area. Then the server crasehd 😃 [10/19/2017 12:11 AM] denzuko .. bollocks [10/19/2017 12:11 AM] denzuko I'll look over the logs and see what can be done [10/19/2017 12:43 AM] canibalcrab We noticed with overwatch the DMS router software would only let us play for about 15 mins and then it wouldnt let us connect to servers [10/19/2017 12:43 AM] canibalcrab Something with pfsense. [10/19/2017 12:44 AM] canibalcrab And they didn't care to look into it because we were told we shouldn't be playing games at the space [10/19/2017 12:45 AM] denzuko I'm aware of that one, it's more about preventing piracy than not allowing gaming at the space. [10/19/2017 12:46 AM] denzuko are you guys connecting from home or while at the space? [10/19/2017 12:51 AM] canibalcrab I haven't tried Minecraft [10/19/2017 12:52 AM] canibalcrab Sure doesn't sound like trying to prevent piracy when you are told "you shouldn't be playing games at the space" I know you can allow ports to go through as well. [10/19/2017 12:55 AM] denzuko wouldn't know anything about that. I've seen a lot of people playing games at the space. Blizzard just tends to use udp for it's protocol and BitTorrent to transfer game files. While most other games like Minecraft uses TCP the same protocol which web and ssh uses. [10/19/2017 1:00 AM] denzuko @Limey (MReynolds) how about yourself, are you connecting from the space or elsewhere? [10/19/2017 1:01 AM] limeytx Connecting from home [10/19/2017 1:02 AM] limeytx Heck we play Artemis and Empty Epsilon at the space lol [10/19/2017 1:03 AM] limeytx I guess those stay on lan tho [10/19/2017 1:03 AM] canibalcrab So could the request be made that it get unblocked and if it becomes an issue and you see a user transferring tons of data you deal with it then? [10/19/2017 1:03 AM] canibalcrab I see no reason to punish everyone for something that "may" happen [10/19/2017 1:06 AM] denzuko @pearce feel free to put it on the issue tracker, however it would be easier to get a openvpn setup and play ones games over that while at the space [10/19/2017 2:05 AM] denzuko ok, checked the logs and not seeing anything there. @Limey (MReynolds) when you break blocks do they kind of glitch like it's broken but still there then drops the item as normal? [10/28/2017 10:56 PM] denzuko happy Halloween everyone https://youtu.be/zmcUOXQy_zM {Embed} Constelación Commodore https://youtu.be/zmcUOXQy_zM Halloween C64 & Amiga Demoscene Mini-Compilation Pequeña compilación de ocho cortas intros, cracktros, demos con la temática de Halloween para C64 y Amiga(alternativamente). Son las siguientes: Pumpkin Joyn... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/K8BQYvA3FRliPzmKesCi1FqCSNL1LNgrboLVhItDH4U/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/zmcUOXQy_zM/maxresdefault.jpg [10/29/2017 2:26 PM] jestersforge7494 🤘 [10/31/2017 4:04 PM] denzuko How's the MC server holding up? [10/31/2017 6:37 PM] limeytx Didn't get a chance to use it this weekend, i'll log in and see [11/3/2017 3:09 PM] denzuko @Limey (MReynolds) got you opt as admin and the default game mode is now creative [11/3/2017 3:27 PM] limeytx Sweet. Is anyone else logging in? [11/3/2017 4:21 PM] denzuko didn't see any one [11/6/2017 8:45 AM] jphelps Any recomendations on a version of Minecraft to buy? Android vs MAC/PC vs PS4? [11/8/2017 1:20 PM] denzuko @jphelps Since I'm a fan of Computercraft (thus by extension ae2+solar flux+rf windmills+enderio) and Web Display Mod which allows one to program in game to interact with real world systems and apis I'd have to say Forge MC on pc. Examples of why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG6RpfB14_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpqOv7SxkHA {Embed} Angel Malus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG6RpfB14_Y Apple Watch + ComputerCraft (Tekkit Legends) Let me know if you have any more ideas. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/dnsJ0hikds5ykk5bk3WXoNiXP0KdVxOxtO8KiE62qB8/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/QG6RpfB14_Y/maxresdefault.jpg {Embed} Nicolas Montoyo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpqOv7SxkHA Using Web Displays with Computer Craft This shows you the basic functions that you can use to interact with a Web Screen using ComputerCraft. Mod Link: http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/1930372-... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/UGcXXHZzxMu--EUE-2-6txGjJO6aDIohgitTAiKG4zs/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/tpqOv7SxkHA/maxresdefault.jpg [11/8/2017 1:29 PM] denzuko of course there's cheaty but impressive kind of things like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZQL2_i2Z3w {Embed} Kilian Decaderincourt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZQL2_i2Z3w ComputerCraft Mining Turtle program - DecaMiner Showcase This program is still in developement ! -Auto Update -Auto refuel -Auto placement -Auto looting -Auto récupération -Gravel and Sand proof https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Sluk1OM0vTxfSoHrgnmdxjehIPDTsCZYNqSSfotP494/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/NZQL2_i2Z3w/maxresdefault.jpg [11/10/2017 7:41 AM] jphelps OK. So purchase Minecraft PC and then you have all these moding options, like Forge? [11/10/2017 8:08 AM] blknitemn forge is a server side mod loader [11/10/2017 8:08 AM] blknitemn tekkit pack has a lot of premade easy to use mod packs, and what I like to use [11/10/2017 9:44 AM] shdragon tl;dr - Yes. The PC/Mac version is much more easily moddable than any console or portable version. ( Also the Win10 version is the same as the console/portable version and is also difficult to mod ) [11/10/2017 2:37 PM] jphelps Ah, so the Java edition is the way to go and I presume Linux works well too. Thanks! [11/10/2017 2:38 PM] blknitemn the java version works on any system that allows java to be installed (so yes, you can run it on your favorite distro) [11/15/2017 5:16 PM] denzuko https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/software-development-committee-initial-meeting/29020/21 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/software-development-committee-initial-meeting/29020/21 Software Development Committee - Initial Meeting I’ve always been supportive of Civic hacking and was talking with one of our members last night how we could use Processing.js and OpenCV to build an interactive projector app like GRL Laser Tag but with an important community message kind of thing and include hidden cameras for OpenCV to process message engagement and crowd sentiment. I even feel we could build out the maker bus into a mobile civic hacking platform, while working more with PR and the other committees to do build some real posi... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2Szjaz1L3npkw5aTYwmcQ3bUmGt1bsDNXAbmIAwcY-g/http/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/user_avatar/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/denzuko/200/3082_1.png [11/15/2017 5:17 PM] denzuko Looks like we'll be renaming VCC to SP/IT and vintage computer will live on as a permanent SIG under the same committee. [11/15/2017 5:19 PM] canibalcrab spit? [11/15/2017 5:19 PM] canibalcrab dont leave any buckets in your area [11/15/2017 5:19 PM] denzuko We'll also now get to do some great work with Civic Hacking, and some gaming too [11/15/2017 5:21 PM] denzuko lol, came out of suggestions form the board. It stands for Software, Programming, & IT. But I like it for the troll factor, kind of. if you guys have better ideas best speak up? [11/15/2017 5:22 PM] canibalcrab @minecraft server is back up [11/15/2017 5:23 PM] canibalcrab oops wrong discord server [11/15/2017 5:23 PM] denzuko lol [11/15/2017 5:24 PM] denzuko have been on the DMS or the holiday one lately, anything cool on either one? [11/15/2017 5:24 PM] canibalcrab i didnt know the dms one was still up, [11/15/2017 5:24 PM] canibalcrab havent been on the holiday one [11/15/2017 5:26 PM] denzuko yeah it's on some PI at the space and the holiday one is at dms-holiday-minecraft.herokuapp.com [11/15/2017 5:54 PM] canibalcrab nice. [1/2/2018 6:43 PM] conic Reportin for duty [1/2/2018 6:43 PM] conic http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/ [1/7/2018 7:05 PM] denzuko /me pops in to say hi [1/9/2018 9:10 AM] conic hi [1/10/2018 5:51 PM] denzuko paging VCC [1/10/2018 5:51 PM] denzuko is there any Agenda items to go over? [1/10/2018 5:52 PM] denzuko or are we happy with keeping the blinking light desk and old computer? [1/10/2018 5:53 PM] denzuko also who's available and willing to join in for a committee project? [1/10/2018 6:34 PM] canibalcrab Need a project? The discord bot is open source and needs to learn cool tricks like !members {Reactions} dms (2) [1/10/2018 6:35 PM] canibalcrab @aceat64 what's the bot github link? [1/10/2018 7:02 PM] aceat64 !about [1/10/2018 7:02 PM] dallas-makerspace#4763 I'm the friendly bot for managing various automatic rules and features of the Dallas Makerspace Discord chat server. I understand the following commands: `!about` or `!commands` - This about message. `!help` - Request help from volunteers, for example `!help I can't access the fileserver` will send a request to the active volunteers. `!volunteer` - Add yourself to the list of active volunteers, gain access to post in the #deleted-channel channel. `!unvoluntter` - Remove yourself from the list of active volunteers and stop receiving notifcations. `!volunteers` - List the active volunteers. `!members` - Show the total number of active DMS members. `!8ball` - Ask the magic 8 ball a question. `!random` - Request a random number, chosen by fair dice roll. If I'm not working correctly or you'd like to help improve me, please join the #infrastructure channel. My source code is available at: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot. [1/11/2018 2:12 PM] talkers !volunteers [1/19/2018 1:50 AM] denzuko wait.. did the channel name change?! [1/19/2018 2:23 AM] talkers It's back [1/19/2018 2:33 AM] denzuko lol.. hey I don't mind it being computer committee just was surprised that's all. hell VCC computer committee makes more sense ;) [1/19/2018 3:01 AM] talkers Except you use computer twice [1/19/2018 3:58 AM] denzuko so does GNU [1/19/2018 8:25 PM] canibalcrab and atm [1/26/2018 7:35 PM] denzuko @john a gorman could we grab a moment after the meeting? I'd love to have your advice on something [3/12/2018 2:42 PM] denzuko guys, any thoughts about when we can do the next machine learning meeting at the space? [3/21/2018 4:04 PM] denzuko Looks like some fine members has been submitting honoriums to VCC recently. We now have a small budget for a project that benefits the space. [3/21/2018 4:17 PM] denzuko What that means to the committee? well naturally, send in your project ideas so we can get it funded and built. [3/21/2018 5:52 PM] stephenie. This year VCC has been gifted a $50 honorarium from Kee Fedak and another $50 from Laser & @john a gorman . Total $100. [3/23/2018 1:11 PM] denzuko x-posting: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/notice-committee-meeting-scheudled/33625/2 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/notice-committee-meeting-scheudled/33625/2 [Notice] Committee Meeting Scheudled https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2Szjaz1L3npkw5aTYwmcQ3bUmGt1bsDNXAbmIAwcY-g/http/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/user_avatar/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/denzuko/200/3082_1.png [3/28/2018 10:48 AM] denzuko DMS hosted cloud based ide for testing : http://ide.dms.local:50384/ [4/3/2018 9:03 PM] denzuko 2600 meeting is this Friday [4/3/2018 9:04 PM] denzuko catch us in irc and discord https://discord.gg/9hABUzz [4/11/2018 8:37 PM] denzuko @here we had a lot of success doing our last meeting so going forward I'll have a live stream on here. If everyone could join in the voice channel we'll get started [4/11/2018 8:41 PM] denzuko @Draco am I coming in? [4/11/2018 8:41 PM] draco_the_drake Yes I hear you [4/11/2018 8:42 PM] draco_the_drake Alright .. who all is there? [4/11/2018 8:42 PM] draco_the_drake I skimmed it but I would like to read it again now [4/11/2018 8:44 PM] draco_the_drake I'm not seeing the link anymore .. I don't see it on https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/VCC#2018 {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/VCC VCC [4/11/2018 8:45 PM] draco_the_drake ohh ok [4/11/2018 8:45 PM] draco_the_drake https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Vintage_Computer_Committee_Meeting_20180404 {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Vintage_Computer_Committee_Meeting_20180404 Vintage Computer Committee Meeting 20180404 [4/11/2018 8:45 PM] denzuko https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Vintage_Computer_Committee_Meeting_20180411 {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Vintage_Computer_Committee_Meeting_20180411 Vintage Computer Committee Meeting 20180411 [4/11/2018 8:45 PM] mrcity Stan & I are waiting for @Denzuko.sdf.org at DMS lecture hall ;) [4/11/2018 8:46 PM] denzuko Hi guys, I'll be remote today since I couldn't get a lyft in time and the last meeting went surprisingly well when done digitally. [4/11/2018 8:47 PM] denzuko If we'd like to setup a pc for streaming that would be helpful [4/11/2018 8:47 PM] mrcity Stan says several people were here for your 7:00 infrastructure development meeting ;) [4/11/2018 8:48 PM] denzuko we'll talk about that one after wards [4/11/2018 8:49 PM] draco_the_drake Hey Steven [4/11/2018 8:49 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org .. you are echoing .. do you have something coming through there? [4/11/2018 8:50 PM] draco_the_drake @mrcity .. I need to type so I will be typing here [4/11/2018 8:50 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org I can barely here you because of the background echo [4/11/2018 8:50 PM] draco_the_drake hear [4/11/2018 8:52 PM] draco_the_drake I heard my name.. but I still can't understand you [4/11/2018 8:52 PM] draco_the_drake mrcity is coming in great [4/11/2018 8:52 PM] denzuko right. do you have any comments on what is being proposed? [4/11/2018 8:52 PM] draco_the_drake No not yet [4/11/2018 8:53 PM] draco_the_drake Yup 😃 [4/11/2018 8:54 PM] draco_the_drake That is a little better [4/11/2018 8:54 PM] mrcity Guess I should have brought headphones [4/11/2018 8:56 PM] mrcity Hmm, the museum... [4/11/2018 8:56 PM] denzuko clear to talk [4/11/2018 8:57 PM] denzuko yes [4/11/2018 8:59 PM] denzuko I like that idea, how could we make it more lively and engaging? [4/11/2018 9:00 PM] denzuko good ideas [4/11/2018 9:00 PM] mrcity Just for posterity, basically having retro game tournaments and some programming sessions [4/11/2018 9:01 PM] mrcity We need a hacker type like Rachel Simone Weil to be using it on a regular basis and do cool stuff ;) [4/11/2018 9:01 PM] mrcity If only David Murray weren't all the way in Fort Worth, we could encourage him to work on some of his Commodore games over here [4/11/2018 9:02 PM] mrcity Weird, I can't mute myself here? [4/11/2018 9:03 PM] denzuko Well I know Bill has been in contact with David and he's shown interest in being around the space a bit more [4/11/2018 9:03 PM] mrcity Oh cool, that would be great [4/11/2018 9:04 PM] denzuko we may need to defined this one a bit more outside of today's meeting but let me tail this with the next item [4/11/2018 9:05 PM] denzuko Committee Instructors [4/11/2018 9:07 PM] denzuko agreed [4/11/2018 9:07 PM] denzuko and on that I figured we could do a instruct the instructor pool [4/11/2018 9:08 PM] denzuko but also acknowledge the few volunteers that do not have the same skills in "retro" that we do and have them as SMEs [4/11/2018 9:10 PM] denzuko great, any thoughts on how we could facilitate that? [4/11/2018 9:11 PM] denzuko agreed [4/11/2018 9:11 PM] denzuko I'll be glad to put something up on talk, do we have any volunteers for putting something together for in the museum? [4/11/2018 9:16 PM] denzuko https://www.nomcon.org/#conference-section {Embed} https://www.nomcon.org/ Welcome https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/LXMM61TmZ33sxwAGOEEaLfDvOfzsy88dIFbY2Ak6j70/%3Fformat%3D1000w/http/static1.squarespace.com/static/59b9e02acd0f6825afc71e1f/t/5abe3e518a922d264fc7f3f8/1522417235277/NOMCON-websitegrab-600x461.jpg [4/11/2018 9:23 PM] denzuko CLASS IDEA: fpga [4/11/2018 9:28 PM] denzuko event: build night [4/11/2018 9:28 PM] denzuko goal: solidify our presentation for nomcon [4/11/2018 9:32 PM] mrcity Sorry, like I said, dunno how to mute myself on the voice channel. [4/11/2018 9:35 PM] mrcity Also, no thoughts on the budget for the machinery you were describing. And are we running infrastructure separate from DMS for the VCC site? [4/11/2018 9:35 PM] denzuko https://github.com/Vintage-Computer-Committee {Embed} https://github.com/Vintage-Computer-Committee Vintage Computer Committee at Dallas Makerspace https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/yrMyQUudeMZyfBhDDy7ADP90iHIeTnL2iP_cQRROLog/%3Fs%3D280%26v%3D4/https/avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/32850395 [4/11/2018 9:35 PM] denzuko https://dmsvintagecomputers.com/ [4/11/2018 9:35 PM] mrcity Also you can un-mute me, I'm in the car heading back home. ;) [4/11/2018 9:36 PM] denzuko site is hosted on github pages and dns is via cloudflare [4/11/2018 9:36 PM] draco_the_drake Is there a design document yet? [4/11/2018 9:48 PM] denzuko putting to a vote, civic hacking becomes a sig under vcc? [4/11/2018 9:53 PM] denzuko class idea: statistics class [4/11/2018 9:54 PM] denzuko please vote in channel for documentation [4/11/2018 9:54 PM] denzuko I vote pro [4/11/2018 9:59 PM] denzuko class idea: a+ cert, security+ cert on the DMS calendar [4/11/2018 10:01 PM] denzuko actionable Denzuko to put a Linux+ cert class [4/11/2018 10:01 PM] denzuko instruct the instructor ^ [4/11/2018 10:01 PM] denzuko Committee project: Reach out to meetups [4/11/2018 10:07 PM] denzuko idea: basic prep cert class, free. professional instructors teach the instructor pool [4/11/2018 10:16 PM] denzuko actionable: post personvue's requirements for exam centerse [4/11/2018 10:19 PM] denzuko telehack.org [4/11/2018 10:23 PM] denzuko we're here [4/11/2018 10:23 PM] draco_the_drake @mycity .. are you there? [4/11/2018 10:24 PM] mrcity Yes [4/11/2018 10:24 PM] draco_the_drake Can you hear us? [4/11/2018 10:24 PM] mrcity No [4/11/2018 10:24 PM] draco_the_drake We are talking [4/11/2018 10:24 PM] draco_the_drake You might have to reconnect or something [4/11/2018 10:24 PM] denzuko feedback [4/11/2018 10:27 PM] denzuko discussion 9 is tabled for next meeting after we solidify the instructor pool [4/11/2018 10:27 PM] denzuko @actionable put the CTF back on the calendar [4/11/2018 10:27 PM] denzuko last item [4/11/2018 10:27 PM] denzuko Wide Area Newtwork sig [4/11/2018 10:34 PM] denzuko @actionable: community grid class, instruct the instructor [4/11/2018 10:34 PM] denzuko @class idea: vagrant and docker [4/11/2018 11:15 PM] draco_the_drake http://c64upgra.de/c-one/ [4/11/2018 11:16 PM] denzuko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUiNlmvVOq8 {Embed} eevidtron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUiNlmvVOq8 Demo: A fully open source flow for iCE40 FPGAs Yosys: http://www.clifford.at/yosys/ Arachne-pnr: https://github.com/cseed/arachne-pnr Project Icestorm: http://www.clifford.at/icestorm/ https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-C6t5zMJRSYm9JqlSklYM9YuUyoZolFRKsbUvSIWt-g/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/yUiNlmvVOq8/maxresdefault.jpg [4/11/2018 11:23 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org It looks like the Commodore serial cable is for sale here .. http://www.vesalia.de/e_c64kabel[4635].htm {Embed} http://www.vesalia.de/e_c64kabel[4635].htm Vesalia Online - Cables and Adapters for Commodore 64 and Other Ho... Cables and Adapters for Commodore 64, VIC 20, Commodore 128 and Other Home Computers [4/11/2018 11:24 PM] draco_the_drake You might buy a few [4/11/2018 11:24 PM] draco_the_drake Can you drive copy from a real drive to the SD card using some commodore software? [4/11/2018 11:26 PM] draco_the_drake Also, for the 128 to go 80 columns which we will need in CP/M .. it needs to use the RGBI connector [4/11/2018 11:26 PM] draco_the_drake I wonder if there is a converter to HDMI for that [4/11/2018 11:27 PM] draco_the_drake We may need to build this .. https://sites.google.com/site/h2obsession/CBM/C128/rgbi-to-vga {Embed} https://sites.google.com/site/h2obsession/CBM/C128/rgbi-to-vga RGBI to VGA - H2Obsession Hydro's fun and technical info for you https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qnPFvJFfvxAICp9hM5UoFk7wUo63KLD0Ao9vXh70uc0/%3Fwidth%3D95%2525/https/sites.google.com/site/h2obsession/_/rsrc/1357153808231/CBM/C128/images/pull-both-vga.JPG [4/11/2018 11:32 PM] draco_the_drake I posted the above to talk https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/commodore-128-drives/34554 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/commodore-128-drives/34554 Commodore 128 Drives I have two 1571 drives that I am considering donating or loaning to VCC however it needs cables. It looks like the Commodore serial cable is for sale here … http://www.vesalia.de/e_c64kabel[4635].htm Should we buy a few to keep on hand as th... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qnPFvJFfvxAICp9hM5UoFk7wUo63KLD0Ao9vXh70uc0/%3Fwidth%3D95%2525/https/sites.google.com/site/h2obsession/_/rsrc/1357153808231/CBM/C128/images/pull-both-vga.JPG [4/13/2018 4:28 PM] draco_the_drake Do we want https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Training_Development_SIG/ ? I'm not certain what it is yet [4/13/2018 4:31 PM] denzuko roast training?! isn't that more to do with OSHA safety standards? [4/13/2018 4:46 PM] draco_the_drake I have no idea [4/13/2018 4:47 PM] draco_the_drake I've been thinking about the conference room .. I think we should try and get it [4/13/2018 4:48 PM] draco_the_drake I don't know the who, hows are whats [4/13/2018 4:48 PM] draco_the_drake in doing that [4/13/2018 4:51 PM] denzuko it may take a little effort to present a strong case to logistics, and classroom but we should shoot for it [4/13/2018 4:51 PM] draco_the_drake Did you find that list of requirements for certifications [4/13/2018 4:51 PM] draco_the_drake certification testing [4/13/2018 4:51 PM] draco_the_drake that seems pretty strong [4/13/2018 4:52 PM] draco_the_drake But if we use it for that, can we use it for something else as well? In other words is it okay for it to be a multi-use room.. then the strongness sorta fades away [4/13/2018 4:53 PM] denzuko https://home.pearsonvue.com/For-test-centers/Get-started.aspx {Embed} https://home.pearsonvue.com/For-test-centers/Get-started.aspx Application :: Become a test center :: Pearson VUE Start the application process here to become a Pearson VUE Authorized Test Center. The first step is selecting the country in which the test center will be located, [4/13/2018 4:54 PM] denzuko no we could not use it for anything other than for exams or prep classes [4/13/2018 4:55 PM] denzuko since there a lot of other class rooms we would still be able to hold classes and events outside of the certificate classes [4/13/2018 4:55 PM] denzuko but that's a different topic [4/13/2018 4:56 PM] draco_the_drake ``` Also, avoid placing the exam delivery room near an area where people gather, such as a student cafeteria or busy corridor. ``` [4/13/2018 4:59 PM] denzuko lol I've seen a few centers that have it right off the only "busy" corridor in the building. they just had a heavy door to drown out any sounds [4/13/2018 5:03 PM] draco_the_drake *nods* [4/13/2018 5:05 PM] draco_the_drake I'm looking at the requirements for seating and having a seperate area with lockers .. we don't have locking storage at the space unless we put some in.. this would have to go directly outside the room where the current area is .. [4/13/2018 5:33 PM] denzuko those lockers by electricons meet the requirements just need a bit of hacking on the spi bus [4/13/2018 6:51 PM] draco_the_drake ahh I forgot about those [4/13/2018 6:52 PM] draco_the_drake nice [4/13/2018 7:18 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org I hope you don't mind me asking about the lockable storage to Art .. but as they are moving things around and expanding electronics .. I didn't want it to get tossed .. I just wanted them to be aware of our potental use [4/13/2018 7:21 PM] denzuko no worries, I've had that talk before but it's smashing to have the rest of the committee talking to everyone about these sort of things [4/13/2018 7:22 PM] denzuko and if Art can use the lockers then all the better [4/13/2018 7:23 PM] draco_the_drake Also, can I get on Team_VCC ? [4/13/2018 7:23 PM] denzuko if not then we should figure out the details so they're not going to waste [4/13/2018 7:23 PM] denzuko thought you were... let me look into that [4/13/2018 7:24 PM] draco_the_drake oh wait [4/13/2018 7:24 PM] draco_the_drake never mind [4/13/2018 7:24 PM] draco_the_drake yes I am .... [4/13/2018 7:41 PM] denzuko lol [4/14/2018 6:57 PM] denzuko I think I just found a great option for our FPGA needs [4/14/2018 6:57 PM] denzuko https://www.tindie.com/products/tinyfpga/tinyfpga-b2/# {Embed} https://www.tindie.com/products/tinyfpga/tinyfpga-b2/ TinyFPGA B2 by TinyFPGA on Tindie The TinyFPGA B2 board is a 7680-LUT FPGA board in a tiny form-factor. Build an entire project around it! https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ZF57Skk6Z3-ict4iyrDaufqmvUbiVMXfrLjFsdAVfZo/https/cdn.tindiemedia.com/images/resize/YPnKUCqL0ev_98nlt_RD6WLSBwk%3D/p/1200x630/smart/i/08808/products/2017-08-28T07%253A12%253A46.122Z-2017-08-27_18-55-51_IMG_4620.JPG {Reactions} 🎖 [4/14/2018 7:44 PM] draco_the_drake wow.. that is pretty amazing [4/14/2018 7:47 PM] draco_the_drake https://www.tindie.com/products/tinyfpga/tinyfpga-computer-project-board/ {Embed} https://www.tindie.com/products/tinyfpga/tinyfpga-computer-project-board/ TinyFPGA Computer Project Board by TinyFPGA on Tindie Recreate your favorite 8-bit computer or design your own retro computer with a TinyFPGA heart! https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qk2MarzX6AAU0htWEAxPXn6JCzeG5DS_2QjTfX7iRg0/https/cdn.tindiemedia.com/images/resize/evox9J6ZSjn7D8KAtM7LqNFLxY4%3D/p/1200x630/smart/i/08808/products/2018-01-07T17%253A09%253A28.758Z-IMG_1296.JPG [4/14/2018 8:10 PM] denzuko I've been toying with the idea of having something able to dispense rpi's, esp8266, sdcards, and maybe that tinyfpga via a badge scan and paid with apple/android pay [4/14/2018 8:10 PM] denzuko something like: https://www.ebay.com/itm/used-snack-mart-snack-vending-machine/292518966197?hash=item441b7d33b5:g:10QAAOSwfaBazTTQ {Embed} https://www.ebay.com/itm/used-snack-mart-snack-vending-machine/292518966197?hash=item441b7d33b5:g:10QAAOSwfaBazTTQ used snack mart snack vending machine This is for a used snack mart snack machine. Two are available. Any questions please feel free to ask. Local pickup only. | eBay! https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QsbXr09dHisx3o8su87mRP5mpsIjv42RbLkdjjnGqGk/https/i.ebayimg.com/images/i/292518966197-0-1/s-l1000.jpg [4/14/2018 8:13 PM] denzuko the thought is so members could have access to equipment for iot, pc projects, and comptia cert classes [4/14/2018 8:14 PM] canibalcrab oh man, we had a vending machine with tech stuff in it before, it will probably be a sore spot for a lot of people [4/14/2018 8:14 PM] denzuko what happened? [4/14/2018 8:15 PM] canibalcrab never got stocked, fixed, worked [4/14/2018 8:16 PM] canibalcrab also it was some convoluted "loophole" to pay via webservice so it didnt count as a vending machine and he didnt have to deal with that legal stuff [4/14/2018 8:17 PM] canibalcrab then when we had one that was owned by DMS, it wasnt managed well, or stocked with useful stuff that wasnt overpriced [4/14/2018 8:18 PM] canibalcrab so we tried to let members stock stuff in it. then never really paid people when they sold stuff [4/14/2018 8:19 PM] denzuko o.O.... yeah.. I can see where it would be a sore spot [4/14/2018 8:19 PM] canibalcrab im not saying its a bad idea, i think it could be cool. but youll have an uphill battle ahead of you [4/14/2018 8:26 PM] denzuko good to know and I think it would be a great addition to the space. Personally, since it would be a revenue stream for the committee and by extension to the space as a whole it should be managed 10x better than we do with the food vending machines. So I would lean on my business experience and make sure that our 99.9% uptime SLA to the membership is met plus, items would be reviewed/tracked for which are relevant and a vendor contract would be setup for items to be stocked regularly. [4/14/2018 8:27 PM] denzuko Which for disclosure, Tanner's would actually be top on that list for the vendor deck to reach out to with the offer. [4/14/2018 8:34 PM] draco_the_drake Yes, it is one reason they went with the snack vendor that have now. Things never got bought or stocked. I would love to have a vending machine with all kinds of things like this in it. Perhaps there is a company willing to provide one and keep it stocked? [4/14/2018 8:35 PM] draco_the_drake SD cards, Batteries, Arduino, Rasp PI, Flash Drives, USB cables to name a few things [4/14/2018 8:36 PM] draco_the_drake Perhaps if you can provide the vending machine, Tanners would keep it stocked? [4/14/2018 8:45 PM] canibalcrab That's possible [4/14/2018 8:45 PM] canibalcrab Would you like me to float the idea to Jimmy Tanner to see what he thinks? [4/14/2018 8:49 PM] draco_the_drake I want to think it out a bit first but that sounds like a good step .. I would like to think of any other angles first before approching Tanners. Anyway with all this stuff about the board coming down on people for trying to negotiate, I wouldn't want you in trouble [4/14/2018 8:51 PM] canibalcrab He's not a public official. I'm not worried about that. Let me know when and I can talk with him, I work with him a lot [4/14/2018 8:51 PM] draco_the_drake Oh is it just officials? oh ok [4/14/2018 8:51 PM] draco_the_drake Thanks for this .. yes, we will get back with you 😃 [4/14/2018 9:22 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org Did you see the lockable storage thread on talk? [4/14/2018 9:54 PM] davidkessinger9707 I personally have no problem with the idea of a vending machine that stocks parts that are highly used. Seeing if they are open to the idea is wort investigating. Some threshold issues: Who is going to pay for the vending machine? How is that cost going to be recovered or not? Where will it be located? Will just one vendor be able to stock in it? Who is responsible for any shrinkage. Also, I would expect that Tanners would charge a little more for the items as it now costs more to stock it: Labor/time to come over and refill machine, effort to get paid with that added delay. We've been talking with Fastenal about having them stock some of their vending machines. But the cost is fairly high with the guarantee. I know this discussion is about parts not food, however this may be relevant as they are the big reasons we have Parks is: • No minimum sales guarantee. DMS owes nothing to parks but space and electricity. • No shrinkage guarantee, which includes spoilage, which is important where fresh food is concerned. • No Term/contract Period, either Parks or DMS can terminate whenever they want. We aren’t forced to keep a company we aren’t happy with. • No anti-compete clauses - we can sell anything we want to compete with them or make whatever we want. {Reactions} 😀 (2) [4/15/2018 12:00 AM] kevpat There's an electronics meeting on space expansion tomorrow @4pm in purple. You could bring it up [4/16/2018 8:54 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org I am in the voice channel [4/17/2018 10:51 AM] denzuko @Draco Sorry I was in transit and my phone died. [4/17/2018 12:15 PM] draco_the_drake Many drivers have power cables if you ask ... just a tip 😉 [4/17/2018 2:08 PM] denzuko yeah not on the red line [4/17/2018 2:08 PM] denzuko but thanks for the tip [4/17/2018 3:07 PM] denzuko Move template submitted {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/435894011174191105/committee_move_template_V1pt1_1.xlsx?ex=67b8dcee&is=67b78b6e&hm=4a064dff95a146ccd8e7eb7c2eba1d89980ce6634d4dd861e49a7c519da66411& [4/17/2018 4:37 PM] denzuko on my way in [4/17/2018 4:38 PM] denzuko see you guys in 90mins [4/17/2018 4:55 PM] draco_the_drake I'm going up there as well [4/17/2018 6:25 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org are u up at the space [4/17/2018 6:37 PM] denzuko nearly there [4/17/2018 11:09 PM] draco_the_drake ok let me know when you get here [4/19/2018 1:05 PM] denzuko Working on the operational plan for the next quarter, https://bmfiddle.com/f/#/Z5Vc8 {Embed} https://bmfiddle.com/f/ Business Model Fiddle Business Model Fiddle is a free business model playground where you can create, edit, fork, preview and share business models using a business model canvas [4/19/2018 1:06 PM] denzuko Marketing is not my straight; I'll admit to that.. so maybe we can help fill in the blanks? [4/19/2018 1:06 PM] denzuko What type of relationships do our Customer Segments expect? [4/19/2018 4:56 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org ... Will we need storage to teach our prep-classes regardless of if we have on-site certifications? [4/19/2018 5:15 PM] denzuko storage on site, or reliable transportation between the space and studio42 [4/19/2018 5:23 PM] draco_the_drake What the heck is studio42? [4/19/2018 5:24 PM] denzuko there's a video, let me look for the link [4/19/2018 5:29 PM] denzuko https://youtu.be/1gGgZYGW01M {Embed} Vintage Computer Community Grid @ DMS https://youtu.be/1gGgZYGW01M Storage arrived at the studio Day 5 of the Studio 42 Conversation for DMSVintageComputers.com https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/TL8IcYctbXfEg8HO2WZZ2eNn6ITYDABt1FFs9rQLUDI/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/1gGgZYGW01M/maxresdefault.jpg [4/19/2018 5:30 PM] denzuko basically future recording studio for projects and secured storage [4/19/2018 5:31 PM] denzuko with a section dedicated to manufacture of printed parts [4/19/2018 5:31 PM] draco_the_drake Alright, is this paid for by DMS? [4/19/2018 5:31 PM] draco_the_drake Or is it your personal space [4/19/2018 5:31 PM] draco_the_drake legally [4/19/2018 5:32 PM] denzuko it's donated to the committee [4/19/2018 5:33 PM] draco_the_drake The property is a donation as in the DMS owns it or is it leased under your name and you are allowing DMS to store things there? [4/19/2018 5:35 PM] denzuko if need be we should look into something paided by DMS but it's space tacked on to my own lease that goes unused thus being donated for VCC and DMS to utilize [4/19/2018 5:36 PM] draco_the_drake Okay .. it is your garage then .. no worries .. you might not want to represent it as a DMS controlled space until the board knows legally about it [4/19/2018 5:37 PM] denzuko hence why it's called studio 42 still to this day. got that name from a project before joining the space [4/19/2018 5:41 PM] draco_the_drake So, answer your question .. I don't have a problem with you storing the stuff at your house but others might .. if they need access to it and can't get it for whatever reason because it was taken home with someone .. I do believe there is rule about taking DMS items out of the building but I don't think it applies here .. but others may want to teach the class without you being avaliable.. so I think we need to store at least the instructor equipment on site as well as work out a way to notify the board of what DMS equipment is being storied in your garage [4/19/2018 5:44 PM] denzuko right [4/19/2018 5:45 PM] denzuko we better push for on site storage [4/19/2018 5:45 PM] draco_the_drake Yes, I think that is a requirement regardless of certification .. [4/19/2018 5:45 PM] denzuko :+1: [4/19/2018 5:48 PM] denzuko crap.. bloody sugar crashed, and I'm on transit. I'll pop on later. got to grab some insulin [4/19/2018 5:48 PM] draco_the_drake Alright .. talk to you later .. be well [4/20/2018 1:47 PM] denzuko https://www.twitch.tv/twitchdefrags {Embed} https://www.twitch.tv/twitchdefrags twitchdefrags - Twitch [24/7] (ง︡'-'︠)ง You've gained +3 fists of defragging! https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2D87sdSl2SZKo_e2lp_PbdDy9TlqDZdAQ-_3kAGLkGc/https/static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/787c3ac3-5451-4450-902c-433ee9c179f2-profile_image-300x300.jpg [4/20/2018 1:47 PM] denzuko so... how can we do that for a retro pc? [4/20/2018 1:48 PM] denzuko i mean, live stream one to twitch [4/20/2018 3:56 PM] davidkessinger9707 Committees can rent storage space out of DMS funds. This is storage space, not a locker to just check things in and and out of if going to someplace other than DMS. Science rents a small unit for items they can't fit into their space. When needed they bring it in DMS and it exchanges places. This addresses the access issue since designated members could be given a key or combination to gain access. I personally am not comfortable with DMS "sharing" s property would be co-mingled. But if this is desired submit as an agenda item. [4/20/2018 4:25 PM] denzuko @David Kessinger the concern is noted, to point out there is an access code that's fairly easily remembered, and locks that open via bluetooth. Plus, the studio is converted to do recording for labs and storing of sensitive electronics. However this is all under consideration and to prevent conflict we'll actively look into presenting a board agenda item with a well planned budget and goals defined. [4/20/2018 4:52 PM] davidkessinger9707 It sounds like we're sharing rent thus lowering cost for other renter. That is very likely personally enurement even if we get a good deal on rent. [4/20/2018 5:26 PM] denzuko ok, to be clear. no. DMS is not funding, paying of rent nor in any agreement with of lease and/or rent of the property and/or allocated physical space codenamed "studio 42". Studio 42 is not any sort of storage space, unit or the such. it's life began as a unattached garage to the committee founder prior to the committee creation and was convert to use as a studio and equipment storage prior again to the creation of VCC. Property of Dwight Spencer has been on loan to the committee for usage and all items have been paid out of pocket from Dwight Spencer. Since DMS has never paid for any of the items for VCC a transfer of ownership would require an inventoring of items with recept of donation. Something of which had been on the backlog to complete anyways just out of due diligence. About the only thing that's been officially donated to VCC has been a non working Mac pro tower, the desk, monitor, a digital logic tool, and shelving unit at the space. Any books and equipment have either been personally collected from the donation shelf in the back or under the express knowledge that it is to be processed for donation to archive.org [4/20/2018 5:30 PM] denzuko now that out the way yes if there a requirement for committee storage then there is no barrier in that direction other than a simple consider for temperature controlled storage [4/20/2018 5:32 PM] denzuko I'd also encourage committee members to come help scan the books in the back log and prep them for shipping to the national computer museum. along with coming by to help the creation of an inventory spreadsheet so there is no further question on this matter [4/20/2018 5:36 PM] denzuko that last one there would not be any issue as I'm being very altruistic in not just the space but just about everything that there ( save for the book binding materials ) [4/20/2018 7:26 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org said "i mean, live stream one to twitch" It is simple as a capture card or usb capture dongle and a PC running Open Broadcaster Digital media may have composite to usb adapters and could be run off of one of the DMS laptops [4/20/2018 7:28 PM] draco_the_drake As far as defragging old computer disks. That requires just copying file by file to blank disk. I use to do that for them. [4/20/2018 7:43 PM] denzuko nice [4/20/2018 7:44 PM] denzuko what would be good to stream? [4/20/2018 7:46 PM] draco_the_drake Well, you could stream programming a game for example or playing one ... [4/20/2018 7:46 PM] draco_the_drake Twitch has a creative section and but mostly is about games [4/20/2018 7:46 PM] draco_the_drake Or generally about games [4/20/2018 7:48 PM] draco_the_drake You could stream a class [4/20/2018 7:49 PM] draco_the_drake Like how to restore old floppy drives 😉 [4/20/2018 8:00 PM] denzuko :+1: [4/20/2018 8:01 PM] denzuko and here I was thinking of doing old screensavers and game demod [4/20/2018 8:07 PM] draco_the_drake Do u know if there is anything like game shark for the 64? [4/20/2018 8:45 PM] denzuko yeah, run/stop then peek and poke [4/20/2018 8:45 PM] denzuko game gjinji was later {Reactions} 👍 [4/20/2018 8:46 PM] draco_the_drake The peek and poke method doesn't allow you to resume [4/21/2018 10:25 AM] gothannie I think my mother saved Rodent’s Revenge on a floppy. Or something. [4/21/2018 1:25 PM] draco_the_drake So when do yall want to do a hacking challenge? [4/21/2018 5:38 PM] denzuko Rodent’s Revenge was a fun game, mostly spent my time playing muds and doom back then but still it was a good change of pace [4/21/2018 5:38 PM] denzuko @Draco any time you feel n.n [4/22/2018 2:37 AM] draco_the_drake I think it might be fun to have an intro class a couple of times to get some people interested before delving into the big challenges [4/22/2018 4:22 PM] draco_the_drake @denzuko What needs to be prepared for the 25th committee meeting ... do we need to test the audio visual ... where is it going to be .. [4/22/2018 5:33 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org [4/23/2018 2:22 PM] denzuko @channel Committee Meeting scheduled - https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/5857 [4/23/2018 2:30 PM] denzuko And, civic hacking, Interactive Museum - be sure to have your sig report (basic what's the sig working on, any aid need, or other announcements) ready for the meeting [4/24/2018 12:15 PM] denzuko VCC Instructor Pool Process v1.0.0 - Abstracted for committee templating {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/438387638966288384/Class_Process_1.png?ex=67b95d8d&is=67b80c0d&hm=a0a1b6cae647c4cf7fe855b3eda50697d3488f1b65cdbd484bdb7746c5874d15& [4/24/2018 12:21 PM] denzuko I know, a little to "business like" but I'm working on an article about documenting social engineering processes for pentesting optimization and the committee needs these sort of knowledge dumps anyways 😉 [4/24/2018 1:14 PM] denzuko @Draco @David Kessinger I think we need to address the core question here that's came out of the pearson vue thread so we can discover the figures of what's is going to take and returns. So, who can contact Pearson Vue and when? [4/24/2018 2:19 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org that chart is confusing [4/24/2018 2:21 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org Why is the committee meeting again online only? This was the mistake we made last time. [4/24/2018 2:30 PM] denzuko its online only this time because last time it was both in classroom (with no attendance) and online which prompted a discussion from the classroom committee. Where we've agreed to have the meeting online to keep the classrooms free for classes. [4/24/2018 2:36 PM] draco_the_drake There WAS attendance by Bill [4/24/2018 2:37 PM] draco_the_drake It doesn't need to take up a classroom with the small number of people currently [4/24/2018 2:37 PM] clone1018 Good functional committee meetings are just as important as classes. [4/24/2018 2:37 PM] draco_the_drake I agree [4/24/2018 2:38 PM] draco_the_drake There are many other places that we can meet that are not scheduled very often [4/24/2018 2:38 PM] draco_the_drake at the space [4/24/2018 2:39 PM] draco_the_drake Steve (mrcity) was at the space for the meeting as well [4/24/2018 2:41 PM] draco_the_drake This was one of the reasons I think Bill steped down as co-chair .. his input is valuable to the committee and it is not fair to exclude him by using a platform that he doesn't or can't use [4/24/2018 2:54 PM] draco_the_drake I think voting should only be allowed if it is at the space. Proxy voting is allowed for those online. But there should be a quorum also required for voting. [4/24/2018 2:55 PM] draco_the_drake I think the change from Vintage to VCC has thrown everyone off a bit . I'm not certain anyone really knows what VCC is or why they would want it [4/24/2018 2:56 PM] denzuko right, so I'm hearing we want it at the space and not online? [4/24/2018 2:56 PM] draco_the_drake It is just me talking here .. there is no WE [4/24/2018 2:56 PM] draco_the_drake yet [4/24/2018 2:57 PM] draco_the_drake I added several things to the wiki page [4/24/2018 2:57 PM] draco_the_drake https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Vintage_Computer_Committee_Meeting_20180425 {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Vintage_Computer_Committee_Meeting_20180425 Vintage Computer Committee Meeting 20180425 [4/24/2018 2:58 PM] denzuko valid items [4/24/2018 3:00 PM] denzuko so lets address this one while we have time. Meetings at the space or meetings online? [4/24/2018 3:01 PM] draco_the_drake You might want to get the other memebers involved if we are discussing this. You know my opinion. [4/24/2018 3:03 PM] denzuko yeah, that's for the @channel [4/24/2018 3:03 PM] draco_the_drake 😉 [4/24/2018 3:04 PM] draco_the_drake ```fix Discussion topic: denzuko: so lets address this one while we have time. Meetings at the space or meetings online? ``` [4/24/2018 3:09 PM] draco_the_drake @Lady L @mrcity @themitch22 [4/24/2018 3:10 PM] denzuko We have a poll : https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/how-would-members-prefer-to-attend-committee-meetings/35138 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/how-would-members-prefer-to-attend-committee-meetings/35138 How would members prefer to attend Committee Meetings? Since classroom and meeting space is a premium. I would like to know which is prefered by members? In Person Online Both Cafe / Restaurant / Pub Other (please post below) 0 voters Show results https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/CAnz8Y6i2mvfds1vIIcCALsvev7-YdOAf7vy8mSXebg/https/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/images/default-apple-touch-icon.png [4/24/2018 3:10 PM] denzuko but discussion here is more than welcome [4/24/2018 3:21 PM] denzuko Well the poll hasn't been closed and I'll keep it going for the month to get further metrics. But the matter is solved. its looking like I'll have to go update the event and we'll have it at the space _and_ online. Sorry for the mix up mates. [4/24/2018 3:23 PM] draco_the_drake How do you plan on setting up for it? Do we have access to a webcam? Can we use one of the laptops? [4/24/2018 3:24 PM] draco_the_drake Does that big screen in the conference room do this? [4/24/2018 3:24 PM] denzuko yes, we can use one of the laptops. I'll bring in a webcam from the studio and we can set up in the common area. [4/24/2018 3:25 PM] denzuko I'll have to move a few funds around to cover lyft costs but we'll be able to have the meeting at the space. [4/24/2018 3:26 PM] draco_the_drake Yeah, I think it is best if members are at the space more often ... [4/24/2018 3:26 PM] clone1018 I guess that's the confusing part, seems like you schedule meetings you do not have the ability to attend, like the last couple of developer meetings [4/24/2018 3:27 PM] draco_the_drake Where are you at @Denzuko.sdf.org we might be able to arrange someone picking you up and ride-sharing [4/24/2018 3:28 PM] denzuko doing m-f I'm in Coppell and live out in plano. [4/24/2018 3:28 PM] denzuko .. that sounds wrong. [4/24/2018 3:28 PM] denzuko I live out in plano and weekdays I'm working in coppell [4/24/2018 3:29 PM] draco_the_drake If you are unable to make it to the space we need to have someone else lead the meeting from the space [4/24/2018 3:29 PM] clone1018 So wait you work in Coppell? [4/24/2018 3:29 PM] denzuko yes [4/24/2018 3:30 PM] clone1018 Very close to the space, how do you get home in a way that doesnt take you close to DMS? [4/24/2018 3:30 PM] clone1018 I guess that doesnt matter [4/24/2018 3:30 PM] denzuko its an 45 minute train ride from the office but a three hour from plano #>< [4/24/2018 3:30 PM] clone1018 If you and I are going to the same meeting I can easily pick you up [4/24/2018 3:31 PM] denzuko I'm mostly worried about after the meeting but sure we could do that. [4/24/2018 3:31 PM] clone1018 how is after any different from coppell? [4/24/2018 3:32 PM] clone1018 Either way you have to take the green / orange line back to downtown [4/24/2018 3:32 PM] clone1018 and then red back up ? [4/24/2018 3:32 PM] clone1018 I'm assuming your commuting life already sucks m-f [4/24/2018 3:32 PM] denzuko the 452 stops at 9pm [4/24/2018 3:33 PM] clone1018 Oh i see [4/24/2018 3:33 PM] denzuko lol.. yeah. that's kind of mildly putting it but at lease its better than last years @.@!! [4/24/2018 3:33 PM] clone1018 so it's the route to your house [4/24/2018 3:33 PM] denzuko yep [4/24/2018 3:33 PM] denzuko which costs about the same as going to work the next day [4/24/2018 3:33 PM] draco_the_drake What part of plano? [4/24/2018 3:33 PM] draco_the_drake I live in the colony near some parts of plano [4/24/2018 3:34 PM] draco_the_drake I take 121 back to my house [4/24/2018 3:34 PM] clone1018 He lives somewhere along this route lol [4/24/2018 3:34 PM] clone1018 https://www.dart.org/maps/452map.htm [4/24/2018 3:34 PM] denzuko https://www.yelp.com/biz/reserve-at-pebble-creek-apartments-plano-2?adjust_creative=dWJMtmYxpd5N5yoyzSuhtA&utm_campaign=yelp_api&utm_medium=api_v2_business&utm_source=dWJMtmYxpd5N5yoyzSuhtA {Embed} https://www.yelp.com/biz/reserve-at-pebble-creek-apartments-plano-2?adjust_creative=dWJMtmYxpd5N5yoyzSuhtA&utm_campaign=yelp_api&utm_medium=api_v2_business&utm_source=dWJMtmYxpd5N5yoyzSuhtA Reserve at Pebble Creek Apartments - Plano, TX Specialties: There are few things in life as important as finding a place to call home. Consider Reserve at Pebble Creek, where you'll find a premiere location and perfect apartment home to fit your needs. A fitness center, business center,… https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-4OagU8P7L1HFSHs1pHBv1qeapsUcUl46hWQTSf6lKs/https/s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/cM0q3BbcOhcINSjse65Ksw/o.jpg [4/24/2018 3:34 PM] denzuko spring creek and coit [4/24/2018 3:35 PM] denzuko which not to side track but yes after hope there's a bbq planned and everyone here is invited [4/24/2018 3:35 PM] draco_the_drake I'm about 18min away from your house [4/24/2018 3:36 PM] denzuko @Draco ok.. so guess that's a bit far for you [4/24/2018 3:36 PM] draco_the_drake I was saying if you spot me some gas, it isn't that far [4/24/2018 3:37 PM] draco_the_drake It is 25 min from DMS to your house and 18 min onward to mine [4/24/2018 3:38 PM] clone1018 I took dart from garland to farmers branch, literal 6 hours of commuting each day [4/24/2018 3:39 PM] draco_the_drake Yeah public transit is slow [4/24/2018 3:40 PM] draco_the_drake for going across town anyway [4/24/2018 3:40 PM] denzuko yeah.. its not going to get any better for another six years, by then they'll have a few extra train and bus lines completed. [4/24/2018 3:41 PM] draco_the_drake The other option is have earlier meetings [4/24/2018 3:41 PM] draco_the_drake or weekend meetings [4/24/2018 3:42 PM] draco_the_drake But having the chair at the space often is almost priceless [4/24/2018 3:42 PM] draco_the_drake You are the face of VCC [4/24/2018 3:43 PM] denzuko yes.. we do need to have that 😃 [4/24/2018 3:43 PM] denzuko right need to get one of these then https://www.amazon.com/Hindom-Electric-Mountain-Bicycle-Removable/dp/B07CC9TBLW/ref=sr_1_27?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1524602594&sr=1-27&keywords=ebike+28+inch [4/24/2018 3:44 PM] draco_the_drake Or a scooter or something 😃 [4/24/2018 3:44 PM] denzuko plus two additional battery packs [4/24/2018 3:45 PM] denzuko yeah can't go scooter (or something) that would require a licence which texas thinks I have a license in another state which I don't [4/24/2018 3:45 PM] draco_the_drake So, is it just the license thing? [4/24/2018 3:46 PM] denzuko yeah. otherwise I would have fixed up the bmw and the pt cuiser [4/24/2018 3:46 PM] denzuko instead of donating them [4/24/2018 3:46 PM] draco_the_drake Alright.. lets work on that .. I'm sure we can work together and figure this out [4/24/2018 3:47 PM] draco_the_drake Have you ever had a drivers license? [4/24/2018 3:47 PM] denzuko right, so who's doing a road trip to colorado and tracking down my doppelganger? because no no I have not had a license [4/24/2018 3:48 PM] draco_the_drake Well, they keep SS numbers ... unless someone is identity stealing .. it shouldn't be that hard to prove [4/24/2018 3:49 PM] draco_the_drake Do you have your birth certificate? [4/24/2018 3:49 PM] denzuko of course [4/24/2018 3:50 PM] draco_the_drake Alright .. so when you went down to take your written drivers test.. they said you already had a license in colorado, correct? [4/24/2018 3:50 PM] denzuko yeah and I showed them my state id from colorado where they then said our records show otherwise. [4/24/2018 3:51 PM] draco_the_drake okay, so you have an id from colorado but not a license but they think it is a license .. alright .. let me research this a bit [4/24/2018 3:51 PM] draco_the_drake Did you get a texas ID? [4/24/2018 3:52 PM] denzuko yes [4/24/2018 3:52 PM] denzuko and the colorado one had better hair 😉 [4/24/2018 4:37 PM] clone1018 Yes we should help you get that resolved [4/24/2018 4:39 PM] clone1018 So you have a state ID now, you have your SSN, take a tax form, utility statement, paycheck, etc to the DMV and you should be good? [4/24/2018 4:39 PM] clone1018 It only matters if you're from another state if you have a valid drivers license in that other state [4/24/2018 4:52 PM] denzuko yeah have all those and that's the confusion with the Texas DMV. they seem to believe that I do have one still in Colorado which I have not ever had one [4/24/2018 4:53 PM] denzuko /me shrugs [4/24/2018 4:57 PM] clone1018 Who did they tell you to talk to? [4/24/2018 4:58 PM] denzuko they gave me the phone number for Colorado dmv and they don't have anything [4/24/2018 5:01 PM] denzuko I've even gone as far to had a few lawyers discuss the matter and well the cost for that the time off work and trips to and from Colorado is way more than I spend on Lyft or buying a house [4/24/2018 5:10 PM] draco_the_drake I just contacted the Texas dps and they said it was a strange situation ... it could be that you have tickets in Colorado ... but he said that if you could get a letter from Colorado.stating that you do not have a license that he wouldn't have a problem accepting it ... He gave me a direct number to a real person as well [4/24/2018 5:12 PM] denzuko cool [4/24/2018 5:12 PM] denzuko now only to take a trip to Denver [4/24/2018 5:12 PM] draco_the_drake Hell no [4/24/2018 5:13 PM] draco_the_drake Just need to contact them [4/24/2018 5:13 PM] draco_the_drake And get them to mail you something [4/24/2018 5:14 PM] denzuko i lived there, 99.9% of the time one has to spend three hours in Denver's office [4/24/2018 5:14 PM] draco_the_drake You can also call this number and find what code is listed in the database [4/24/2018 5:14 PM] draco_the_drake I will give it to u in private [4/24/2018 5:15 PM] draco_the_drake I think there will be a way to do it from here [4/24/2018 5:16 PM] denzuko doesn't hurt to to try [4/24/2018 5:17 PM] draco_the_drake Nope it doesn't ... going to research Colorado tomorrow [4/24/2018 5:20 PM] denzuko cool [4/24/2018 8:54 PM] draco_the_drake @actionjackson [4/25/2018 1:06 PM] draco_the_drake A new CTF challenge: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/capture-the-flag-please-stop-and-hash-it-out/35192 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/capture-the-flag-please-stop-and-hash-it-out/35192 [Capture The Flag] Please stop and Hash it out Capture The Flag challenges are hacking puzzles. You must find a text string flag somewhere and PM it to me and I will tell you if it is correct or not… Normally it is in the form CTF{something} but not always. Good Luck! Please stop and Has... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/CAnz8Y6i2mvfds1vIIcCALsvev7-YdOAf7vy8mSXebg/https/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/images/default-apple-touch-icon.png [4/25/2018 4:19 PM] denzuko @Draco I'm about to call it for the day at work so if your at the space lets grab a room and test out the setup. you know just in case [4/25/2018 4:22 PM] draco_the_drake I'm not at the space right now .. I have a couple of things to do before I can make it up there [4/25/2018 4:23 PM] denzuko no worries I'll be testing a few things anyways but tap me on the shoulder when you get in [4/25/2018 4:24 PM] denzuko same goes for all here in the channel 😃 [4/25/2018 4:25 PM] draco_the_drake k [4/25/2018 6:21 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org I'm here ... where are u [4/25/2018 6:23 PM] denzuko enroute to download Carrollton station [4/25/2018 6:45 PM] denzuko sweet! there's a few ofo bikes in Carrollton. Today's trip costs is.. free :D [4/25/2018 7:02 PM] draco_the_drake I'm in a meeting for the next hour [4/25/2018 9:01 PM] mrcity Howdy [4/25/2018 9:04 PM] denzuko hey [4/25/2018 9:06 PM] denzuko can you join voice? [4/25/2018 9:06 PM] mrcity voice 🤢 [4/25/2018 9:07 PM] mrcity gimme a few minutes maybe, gotta charge up another device [4/25/2018 9:08 PM] denzuko sure [4/25/2018 9:08 PM] denzuko We have the committee in the room and voice works, you can type if you feel better with that [4/25/2018 9:09 PM] mrcity For the time being, but I don't know how to put myself on mute ;) [4/25/2018 9:09 PM] denzuko clicking on the mic icon [4/25/2018 9:11 PM] mrcity Wow I'm an idiot, it's the bottom icon :-P [4/25/2018 9:12 PM] denzuko can you hear us? [4/25/2018 9:12 PM] mrcity 817-271-7471 [4/26/2018 4:51 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org Do you know if we have a dallasmakerspace.com email address for VCC? [4/26/2018 4:52 PM] draco_the_drake I'm wanting to sign up for mailchimp for the coding challenges and CTF but I figure we should use an email address that is not mine [4/26/2018 5:19 PM] denzuko Im no where's near a computer so go ahead and email admin@dallasmakerspace.org requesting one [4/26/2018 6:34 PM] draco_the_drake I'm going to request codingchallenge@dallasmakerspace.org and capturetheflag@dallasmakerspace.org [4/26/2018 8:58 PM] denzuko smashing [4/26/2018 8:58 PM] denzuko Oh we now have a java desktop system and Kris is donating a mainframe system [4/26/2018 11:13 PM] draco_the_drake oooo cool... what kind of mainframe? [4/26/2018 11:29 PM] draco_the_drake Second question, where is it going? [4/27/2018 9:35 AM] denzuko @StanSimmons what model was that computer that Kris was looking to donate to VCC? [4/27/2018 1:17 PM] clone1018 @Denzuko.sdf.org I'd like to host a DMS hackathon {Reactions} 👍 [4/27/2018 1:17 PM] clone1018 For DMS projects 😃 [4/27/2018 1:25 PM] denzuko smashing!! is there a wiki article for the details? [4/27/2018 1:29 PM] denzuko and when do you want to have the hackathon? [4/27/2018 1:33 PM] draco_the_drake Hmm, what topic? [4/27/2018 1:34 PM] draco_the_drake If it is to be makery, perhaps it should cover many committees? The potential for many differing results. [4/27/2018 1:35 PM] draco_the_drake Or should it just be about hardware/software? [4/27/2018 1:37 PM] clone1018 It's pre-planning stages @Denzuko.sdf.org so I didnt make anything yet [4/27/2018 1:38 PM] clone1018 It might be interesting to talk to a couple of committees, "What are your biggest problems" and see if we can fix them with hardware / software [4/27/2018 1:38 PM] clone1018 @Draco anything that benefits DMS [4/27/2018 1:38 PM] clone1018 So like my idea was a minute taking app specifically for DMS formatted minutes [4/27/2018 1:38 PM] clone1018 To help committees and the board take minutes [4/27/2018 1:38 PM] clone1018 Some fancy react thing that lets you input items, allocations, notes and votes [4/27/2018 1:39 PM] clone1018 easily done in 8 hours or so and tons of benefit [4/27/2018 1:46 PM] denzuko talk to a couple of committees, "What are your biggest problems" and see if we can fix them with hardware / software [ or hands-on help ]. yeah, that and regularly.. isn't there a meeting for that?? ;) [4/27/2018 1:47 PM] clone1018 Ideally this would be for small things that can be completed in one sitting, a hackathon [4/27/2018 1:47 PM] clone1018 I'm not sure anyone besides you and me knows what the Developers Meeting is? [4/27/2018 1:47 PM] clone1018 Just one fun event [4/27/2018 1:48 PM] clone1018 You've had hackathons here before right? [4/27/2018 1:48 PM] clone1018 What worked well? What was the theme? What projects did everyone work on? [4/27/2018 1:48 PM] denzuko we should spread the word about it that meeting. But yes I've had a few and the turn out well. most of them have been educational though [4/27/2018 1:49 PM] denzuko I wonder, what difference would it be to have an app than adding that functionality to say talk? [4/27/2018 1:50 PM] clone1018 Talk is not an official source of information, only the wiki is [4/27/2018 1:50 PM] denzuko which path would the members benefits the most form and adopt? [4/27/2018 1:51 PM] clone1018 The app would simply generate https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors_Meeting_20180223#Minutes {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors_Meeting_20180223 Board of Directors Meeting 20180223 [4/27/2018 1:51 PM] clone1018 in that format [4/27/2018 1:51 PM] clone1018 but with a pretty / fast ui [4/27/2018 1:53 PM] denzuko ok.. so why not add the media wiki forms extension into the wiki and use the Hackathon time to build the templates for meetings? [4/27/2018 1:54 PM] denzuko (FYI, not trying to shoot down the idea just trying to help you plan out your solution) [4/27/2018 1:55 PM] clone1018 I guess that's the fun of having a hackathon right? [4/27/2018 1:55 PM] clone1018 The point is solving the problem [4/27/2018 1:56 PM] clone1018 So if that's a discourse addon, or a mediawiki form, or a custom app [4/27/2018 1:57 PM] clone1018 who cares [4/27/2018 1:57 PM] denzuko that is very true [4/27/2018 2:02 PM] denzuko so a little bit about me, you may know that my day to day work is in it but what one doesn't know is that I've been in QA and project management for some time now and have been an advisor for a lot of startups. so one in such a position tends to see a lot of the same "pot holes" when planning or coming up with solutions, I'm guilty of it too.. So yes, I'll push back on ideas from time to rime but only an open invitation to convince the hardcore of users and get the gears greesed for one to move forward with the concept or solution. [4/27/2018 2:03 PM] denzuko that Said, I'm totally on board with a DMS Hackathon and think we need to hash out the details then get it scheduled and promoted [4/27/2018 2:06 PM] draco_the_drake I think while it should be benefiting us, it also should benefit others in general and be published publicly. We may have many non-members want to participate. [4/27/2018 2:09 PM] clone1018 Yeah, all of my goals from now on are getting new members 😃 [4/27/2018 2:09 PM] clone1018 I want as many people as possible [4/27/2018 2:09 PM] clone1018 from various backgrounds [4/27/2018 2:10 PM] clone1018 We can steal some of PR's budget too 😃 [4/27/2018 2:10 PM] denzuko n.n smashing [4/27/2018 2:44 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org do you think the CTF challenges are too hard? [4/27/2018 2:44 PM] draco_the_drake or too easy [4/27/2018 3:39 PM] denzuko so far I think its been on par [4/27/2018 3:39 PM] denzuko I don't think enough know about them nor enough of the right people know [4/27/2018 3:40 PM] draco_the_drake I do think we need more people in the development side of things [4/27/2018 3:40 PM] draco_the_drake CTF and coding development [4/27/2018 3:46 PM] denzuko that would be a huge help and maybe we should start reaching out to a few of the meetup groups and run a few events for recruitment [4/27/2018 4:17 PM] draco_the_drake What do you think about a business card sized information contact card that we can hand to those who are interested [4/27/2018 4:31 PM] draco_the_drake @@LukeStrickland said "Talk is not an official source of information, only the wiki is" One problem is keeping it updated ... and since all members can edit it ... making sure someone isn't editing things that they shouldn't ... do people get notified when a change is made ... I'm not sure how all that a works [4/27/2018 4:33 PM] clone1018 There's an audit log [4/27/2018 4:33 PM] clone1018 I personally check it [4/27/2018 4:34 PM] draco_the_drake For all of the committees and other info? [4/27/2018 4:35 PM] draco_the_drake It sounds like a more than one person job [4/27/2018 4:35 PM] draco_the_drake How does it work with places like Wikipedia [4/27/2018 4:36 PM] clone1018 They have moderators and admins [4/27/2018 4:36 PM] clone1018 They rely on audit logs and users to report issues [4/27/2018 4:36 PM] clone1018 The benefit of a wiki, in an all volunteer situation like the one we have, no one knows everything. We work together to build out our knowledge. [4/27/2018 4:38 PM] draco_the_drake I think it may be that certain people are assigned categories or topics and get notifications of changes ... I think committees could have that for topics under their category ... just an idea [4/27/2018 4:46 PM] clone1018 You can watch things I think [4/27/2018 4:46 PM] clone1018 SO that would make sense [4/27/2018 4:48 PM] clone1018 I _need_ to get the VisualEditor plugin up and running [4/27/2018 4:48 PM] clone1018 Should significantly lower the barrier to entry [4/27/2018 4:49 PM] denzuko yes and we would need to make sure that committee chairs are keeping up with their committee categories and new articles that fall into thier area [4/27/2018 4:49 PM] canibalcrab I don't think we have an issue of people changing the will maliciously [4/27/2018 4:49 PM] canibalcrab It more of an issue with people just not adding the information [4/27/2018 4:50 PM] clone1018 The entirety of the previous board announced publicly that they could not figure out the wiki lol [4/27/2018 4:54 PM] denzuko wasn't the majority of the board of the .. wait nevermind I'm just as old too -.- so how could we get more adoption for updating the wiki? [4/27/2018 4:55 PM] draco_the_drake I think as we get the next 1700 members ... we start having to think a bit differently about things [4/27/2018 4:55 PM] denzuko maybe something like a dms makercoin could be awarded for the quality of contributions? [4/27/2018 4:55 PM] denzuko @Draco is right on that [4/27/2018 4:56 PM] denzuko we're no longer the club of hobbists. we've reached full out business with customer numbers [4/27/2018 4:59 PM] denzuko so we may want to start doing a new member orientation on top of the usual open house sales pitch [4/27/2018 5:00 PM] denzuko and I've heard what some of the tour guides have put out there, it's very much a pitch [4/27/2018 5:00 PM] draco_the_drake That idea has been tossed around several times ... search on talk [4/27/2018 5:02 PM] canibalcrab You can only expect so much out of volunteers. You could argue that the chair is responsible for keeping the information about the committee up to date. (Or getting someone willing to do it) [4/27/2018 5:03 PM] draco_the_drake If it is official then yes there should be someone with that responsibility [4/27/2018 5:03 PM] draco_the_drake For different area perhaps different people [4/27/2018 5:04 PM] canibalcrab Like the person who represents the committee? [4/27/2018 5:04 PM] draco_the_drake Yup for official committee pages [4/27/2018 5:05 PM] draco_the_drake And the secretary for board and rules related [4/27/2018 5:08 PM] draco_the_drake I think there should be some sort of standard information required to be kept up to date ... [4/27/2018 5:08 PM] draco_the_drake The rest is up to the community [4/27/2018 5:10 PM] draco_the_drake As we grow it might be helpful also to have a committee manual or at least one for new chairs .... [4/27/2018 5:11 PM] canibalcrab the problem you have there is "required" [4/27/2018 5:12 PM] canibalcrab what do you do when its not done? [4/27/2018 5:12 PM] canibalcrab we do have a manual that can be given to new members [4/27/2018 5:12 PM] denzuko it would be great if there is some standards on that since it seems not one person knows what all is expected of a chair other than have classes and recruit for the committee while attending ever meeting [4/27/2018 5:13 PM] draco_the_drake They get reminded and if they aren't filling there role as chair ... for whatever reason .. someone else needs to take it [4/27/2018 5:13 PM] canibalcrab https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/New_Member_411 this link is sent to everyone when they sign up {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/New_Member_411 New Member 411 [4/27/2018 5:14 PM] canibalcrab and i dont know how many time we have had this exact conversation over the years, no one reads the information we try and put together [4/27/2018 5:14 PM] canibalcrab and when they are the only one willing to be chair? [4/27/2018 5:16 PM] draco_the_drake I guess this is why the orientation class is brought up... it could be where you get your badge ? Can't get in the building unless you know some stuff? [4/27/2018 5:17 PM] canibalcrab https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/new-member-integration/13493/94?u=pearcedunlap [4/27/2018 5:17 PM] canibalcrab heres the book we made to give to new people. theres a digital copy in the pr folder [4/27/2018 5:18 PM] draco_the_drake It is handled the same way we handle it when no one steps up ... either someone is there temporarily or the committee is put on hiatus or disbanded [4/27/2018 5:20 PM] draco_the_drake Besides the board ... the chairs have the most important roles imo [4/27/2018 5:42 PM] denzuko agreed [4/28/2018 2:37 PM] andrew5152 Realizing I'm a day late and dollar short, re: the wiki and keeping up, notifications,etc. The system is waaaaay out of date. Brief discussion on TALK with Brooks about why it hasn't been updated, what it would take, etc. https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/wiki-search-sucks/27168/9 Pertinent to the questions asked, though, is there a notification? NO. there is SUPPOSED to be, but it hasn't worked in years. It worked occasionally back in 2015 or so, but hasn't worked recently at all, to my knowledge. (It's not the only thing; frankly, email notifications have never worked reliably during my tenure, and I have yet to find anyone sincerely interested in listening, let alone capable of finding and fixing problems). Back on track: TL;DNR: wiki needs updated, notifications don't work. {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/wiki-search-sucks/27168/9 Wiki Search Sucks I didn’t talk with Andrew about it, it was with Alex. I started to make a clone of the environment (the wiki/ directory and database) but as I read the upgrading guide and then looked into the extensions we used, I realized it was going to be ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/aZBxMJ_nqPM3iMEcA5-TPN4MTA88QPBiM6dKd3Fgrvk/http/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/letter_avatar_proxy/v2/letter/b/3e96dc/200.png {Reactions} 👍 [4/28/2018 5:05 PM] stephenie. The wiki is an important asset to Laser. We make regular updates. It houses not just our rules, but also anything that we want to be institutional knowledge, like maintenance history of our equipment and links to items we've bought. Even paint colors and fonts. It was key to the transition from @merissa to me. Very easy to update. I like it when Chris Marlow, one - if not our main - Talk moderators, see something in the forum that should be preserved and takes the initiative to update the wiki. I've started using it to preserve important Talk threads. Added to our Tips and Tricks section the recent how-to thread about working with leather on the lasers. [4/28/2018 5:06 PM] stephenie. Even if no one ever looks at it but me, it is tons of help from an admin standpoint. Just wanted to say something nice about the wiki. {Reactions} 👍 (3) [4/28/2018 10:07 PM] clone1018 annoying.... [4/28/2018 10:08 PM] clone1018 the ldap extension stops working on 1.28 [4/28/2018 10:08 PM] clone1018 the minimum version for the visualeditor is 1.28 [4/28/2018 10:20 PM] andrew5152 😬 [4/28/2018 10:22 PM] denzuko @LukeStrickland is there a version that supports SSO or oauth which also supports the visualeditor? [4/28/2018 10:23 PM] clone1018 nope [4/28/2018 10:23 PM] clone1018 but some users report it working fine [4/28/2018 10:23 PM] clone1018 So I'm going to deploy it to a test url [4/28/2018 10:23 PM] denzuko cool [4/28/2018 10:23 PM] denzuko feel free to use the community grid for that 😉 [4/28/2018 10:24 PM] clone1018 I'm just keeping things like they are [4/28/2018 10:24 PM] clone1018 deployed side by side [4/28/2018 10:24 PM] clone1018 in different folders [4/28/2018 10:56 PM] clone1018 ok I think Ldap works [4/28/2018 10:56 PM] clone1018 visualeditor is having issues connecting to the parsoid service though [4/28/2018 11:04 PM] clone1018 @Denzuko.sdf.org @Draco either of you around for some testing? [4/28/2018 11:04 PM] clone1018 The VisualEditor looks to be working, can you login and either edit your user page or some random page using the visual editor? [4/29/2018 10:14 AM] andrew5152 Curious what is being used for login if LDAP is inop? Triggered by Nate's post here https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/upgrading-mediawiki/35362/11 I am able to login, but there no longer appears to be a place to set your domain, so I don't k now if I'm using DMS domain creds, or wiki creds (they were the same, last I knew)... {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/upgrading-mediawiki/35362/11 Upgrading MediaWiki So I’m wiki illiterate apparently, is there any benefit to regular members not on a committee logging in because I can’t https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/u-NhaUtgrTNkAmCgBkaWWbNPQ9d2IfE6fbasxrksMXs/http/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/user_avatar/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/nate/200/20860_1.png [4/29/2018 11:42 AM] clone1018 Yeah [4/29/2018 11:43 AM] clone1018 Seems to be broken [4/30/2018 9:09 AM] denzuko @lukeiamyourfather got a link for us to look at? [4/30/2018 9:59 AM] draco_the_drake When is the next committee meeting? I need to add something to the list of topics. [4/30/2018 10:16 AM] denzuko https://wiki.dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Vintage_Computer_Committee_Meeting_20180509 {Embed} https://wiki.dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Vintage_Computer_Committee_Meeting_20180509 Vintage Computer Committee Meeting 20180509 [4/30/2018 10:18 AM] denzuko https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/5918 [4/30/2018 10:28 AM] clone1018 @Denzuko.sdf.org who did you mean to ping? [4/30/2018 10:33 AM] denzuko the channel [4/30/2018 10:34 AM] denzuko and @Draco [4/30/2018 10:35 AM] clone1018 "[9:09 AM] denzuko: lukeiamyourfather got a link for us to look at?" [4/30/2018 10:35 AM] clone1018 were you talking to me? [4/30/2018 10:36 AM] denzuko oh yes, you where asking for some help testing something? [4/30/2018 10:39 AM] clone1018 Too late now... [4/30/2018 10:42 AM] denzuko sorry :( [4/30/2018 10:48 AM] clone1018 So right now no new users can signup to the wiki, upgrading to 1.30 silently broke the LDAP integration. Tonight I'm going to hack away at a SSO / LDAP / remote auth solution with whatever works with MediaWiki at the moment [4/30/2018 10:49 AM] clone1018 I'm thinking SSO should be easiest, since I can do deep integration with MM4 {Reactions} 👍 [4/30/2018 11:06 AM] denzuko I agree, sso would be the best path forward. We are using okta at the moment for a few things already but if we get the gitlab operational then using oauth against our ldap becomes a breeze and cuts costs to infrastructure [4/30/2018 11:15 AM] denzuko one could also use adfs [4/30/2018 12:47 PM] clone1018 I dont want mediawiki to do anything [4/30/2018 12:47 PM] clone1018 besides ask makermanager if these credentials are okay [4/30/2018 1:08 PM] denzuko so would that mean mm being the issuing authority instead of an interface for ldap and billing? [4/30/2018 1:14 PM] clone1018 MakerManager is the source of truth with our current infrastructure [4/30/2018 1:14 PM] clone1018 AD is built on data from it [4/30/2018 1:14 PM] clone1018 but either way MM4 authentication uses LDAP [4/30/2018 1:14 PM] clone1018 But I dont want mediawiki directly talking to ldap [4/30/2018 1:14 PM] clone1018 if that makes sense [4/30/2018 1:35 PM] draco_the_drake AD has redundancies and MM4 does not ... perhaps there might be a good way to do LDAP<->JSON in a redundant secure way to allow all apps and future apps to authenicate and get information from AD without all the hassle of working with LDAP/AD [4/30/2018 1:37 PM] clone1018 When MM4 takes over billing / user data it will be redundant [4/30/2018 1:37 PM] clone1018 However our LDAP server is not performant [4/30/2018 1:38 PM] draco_the_drake So, it will poll the LDAP server and cache the data? [4/30/2018 1:39 PM] clone1018 Right now it just polls the LDAP server every time [4/30/2018 1:39 PM] draco_the_drake Yes but as you said the LDAP server is not preformant .. [4/30/2018 1:39 PM] clone1018 Yeah? [4/30/2018 1:39 PM] clone1018 It polls it slowly ? [4/30/2018 1:40 PM] clone1018 It depends, it's not always slow. Sometimes it's the network, sometimes it's not. [4/30/2018 1:40 PM] clone1018 I can turn on a flag and MM4 can start storing passwords [4/30/2018 1:40 PM] clone1018 and then authentication can skip ldap [4/30/2018 1:42 PM] draco_the_drake Then MM4 will be the thing everything auths off of because it will have the latest and greatest info .. as long as there is an API and redundant .. I see no reason why not .. the AD could get it from MM4 then perhaps [4/30/2018 1:43 PM] draco_the_drake It would also need to store several other things, like groups ... [4/30/2018 1:43 PM] draco_the_drake The calendar depends on groups [4/30/2018 1:45 PM] draco_the_drake However, we might want a MM4 slave internal for the space, to auth everything local off of in case the internet blows up [4/30/2018 1:46 PM] draco_the_drake That is why I suggested a Auth Store of sorts .. it is why LDAP is great .. it is just AD/LDAP seems to be a pain [4/30/2018 1:47 PM] clone1018 Right, I want to start storing committees and chairs, and officers of the organization {Reactions} 👍 [4/30/2018 1:48 PM] draco_the_drake hmmmm found this ... https://connect2id.com/products/json2ldap [4/30/2018 1:49 PM] draco_the_drake The problem with that one is Java [4/30/2018 1:50 PM] draco_the_drake But it looks like it is supported ... it isn't open source [4/30/2018 1:55 PM] clone1018 I have no problem keeping ldap up to date [4/30/2018 1:55 PM] clone1018 And I think that would be the goal [4/30/2018 1:57 PM] draco_the_drake I could write a JSON compatible auth plugin for it [4/30/2018 1:58 PM] draco_the_drake for cake [4/30/2018 2:00 PM] clone1018 huh? [4/30/2018 2:01 PM] draco_the_drake I'm saying that if we want to get away from using LDAP for web apps, we could but still have LDAP as the backend. We can move webapps to a JSON authenication. I could write a CakePHP plugin for auth and user information retrieval. [4/30/2018 2:03 PM] draco_the_drake CakePHP is what the Calendar app is written on .. I believe MM4 is as well [4/30/2018 2:03 PM] draco_the_drake You could write a plugin for MediaWiki for auth from JSON [4/30/2018 2:05 PM] draco_the_drake I'm not certain if I am explaining the idea [4/30/2018 2:05 PM] draco_the_drake well [4/30/2018 2:06 PM] clone1018 MM4 is written in Laravel [4/30/2018 2:07 PM] clone1018 MakerManager as you know it is written in Cake [4/30/2018 2:07 PM] clone1018 I'm working on a rewrite [4/30/2018 2:07 PM] clone1018 So my long term schedule is: Finish current MM functionality. Move all billing systems that WHMCS handles into MM4. Calendar rewrite {Reactions} 👍 [4/30/2018 2:08 PM] draco_the_drake Ah ok .. the advantage is that future webapps don't have to go through the hassle of AD/LDAP for auth .. [4/30/2018 2:09 PM] draco_the_drake Alright, so some sort of easy API inside MM4 is what you are going for, for webapp auth? [4/30/2018 2:12 PM] draco_the_drake So, really I should hold off on Calendar features [4/30/2018 2:12 PM] draco_the_drake I was planning on making an RSS feed [4/30/2018 2:14 PM] clone1018 I would still work on the current calendar [4/30/2018 2:14 PM] clone1018 any changes are at least a year out [4/30/2018 2:14 PM] clone1018 Right, I want to provide a simple API for authentication with our services [4/30/2018 2:15 PM] draco_the_drake Great 😃 [4/30/2018 2:15 PM] clone1018 starting with MediaWiki [4/30/2018 2:16 PM] clone1018 I'm also going to convince the dallas php group to start meeting here [4/30/2018 2:16 PM] clone1018 So we can get more programmers 😃 [4/30/2018 2:16 PM] clone1018 And maybe start teaching some classes [4/30/2018 2:16 PM] draco_the_drake That sounds great [4/30/2018 2:17 PM] clone1018 We need as many people as possible working on our critical systems [4/30/2018 2:18 PM] draco_the_drake We can use GitHub for our feature & issue tracking as it seems to be readily avaliable [4/30/2018 2:20 PM] clone1018 Yeah [4/30/2018 2:20 PM] draco_the_drake So as far as the API ... what should be avaliable? We might need to make a talk thread on this topic. I know username, display name, email, phone number and groups have to be 5 that we absolutely need. [4/30/2018 2:21 PM] draco_the_drake I think it would nice to have things like avatar and interests [4/30/2018 2:22 PM] clone1018 Right, another point of login integration would be the talk forum [4/30/2018 2:23 PM] draco_the_drake That would have to be a different sort of integration. We need the public to be able to sign up for talk and not restrict it to just our members [4/30/2018 2:23 PM] clone1018 right, with it's own complexities [4/30/2018 2:23 PM] clone1018 account merging, etc [4/30/2018 2:23 PM] draco_the_drake *nods* [4/30/2018 2:23 PM] clone1018 But yeah, tonight will just be basic username / password => true / false [4/30/2018 2:24 PM] draco_the_drake Also the public can sign up for calendar [4/30/2018 2:24 PM] clone1018 They can register for classes, they cannot post classes [4/30/2018 2:24 PM] draco_the_drake I think [4/30/2018 2:24 PM] draco_the_drake right [4/30/2018 2:24 PM] draco_the_drake but do they have a login? [4/30/2018 2:24 PM] clone1018 no [4/30/2018 2:24 PM] clone1018 and it doesnt create one [4/30/2018 2:24 PM] clone1018 afaik [4/30/2018 2:25 PM] draco_the_drake It would be nice to be able to track them ... so perhaps a sign-up process would be good .. sorta a talk/calendar public signup .. two for the price of one [4/30/2018 2:25 PM] clone1018 You're just creating an unpaid DMS account 😃 [4/30/2018 2:26 PM] clone1018 Makes conversion easier [4/30/2018 2:26 PM] draco_the_drake with no rights until they sign up .. then it gets assigned member rights [4/30/2018 2:26 PM] clone1018 Right [4/30/2018 2:26 PM] clone1018 Tons of potential! [4/30/2018 2:26 PM] draco_the_drake yup [4/30/2018 2:27 PM] clone1018 MM4 is at https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/makermanager4 btw {Embed} https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/makermanager4 Dallas-Makerspace/makermanager4 Contribute to makermanager4 development by creating an account on GitHub. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ITo4w4d0AAbib6KoqFCWr28DlNpOEUOWzQMSxDMvYw8/%3Fs%3D400%26v%3D4/https/avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/920460 [4/30/2018 2:28 PM] clone1018 it does everything MM3 does and is backwards compatible, but it's lacking WHMCS integration [4/30/2018 2:28 PM] draco_the_drake *nods* I will take a look [4/30/2018 2:29 PM] draco_the_drake Also, there is a way to embed a talk thread on a external webpage like an event page [4/30/2018 2:30 PM] draco_the_drake but it doesn't allow you to post messages .. it takes you to the talk page. I believe [4/30/2018 2:30 PM] clone1018 I have no idea [4/30/2018 2:30 PM] draco_the_drake It is something I researched .. I think it is already implmented [4/30/2018 2:30 PM] draco_the_drake as far as discourse [4/30/2018 2:31 PM] draco_the_drake It is something that I think would be awesome as many people already post to talk announcing their event [4/30/2018 2:31 PM] draco_the_drake to link the two [4/30/2018 2:31 PM] draco_the_drake just a potental feature [4/30/2018 2:33 PM] draco_the_drake So, you want to reimplementWHMCS into MM4 .. hmm [4/30/2018 2:33 PM] draco_the_drake It is basicily a shopping cart [4/30/2018 2:34 PM] draco_the_drake perhaps we could find an open source laravel shopping cart to base it from [4/30/2018 2:34 PM] clone1018 I'd like to instead think of our primary membership as a subscription [4/30/2018 2:34 PM] clone1018 Carts are more for dynamic items [4/30/2018 2:34 PM] clone1018 You're either signed up or you're not [4/30/2018 2:35 PM] clone1018 Laravel has a built up library for subscription billing, https://laravel.com/docs/5.6/billing {Embed} https://laravel.com/docs/5.6/billing Laravel Cashier - Laravel - The PHP Framework For Web Artisans Laravel - The PHP framework for web artisans. [4/30/2018 2:35 PM] draco_the_drake nice [4/30/2018 2:35 PM] clone1018 Handles things like recurring charges, invoices, single charges, etc [4/30/2018 2:35 PM] clone1018 I want to have direct control over billing so we can start potentially grouping consumable usage / storage into one monthly fee [4/30/2018 2:35 PM] clone1018 To reduce processing costs [4/30/2018 2:36 PM] draco_the_drake *nods* I will look into it [4/30/2018 2:36 PM] clone1018 Each time someone pays for the laser, it costs us 2.75% [4/30/2018 2:36 PM] draco_the_drake plus a processing fixed fee most likely [4/30/2018 2:37 PM] clone1018 For square it's flat rate [4/30/2018 2:37 PM] clone1018 But yeah [4/30/2018 2:37 PM] draco_the_drake ah ok.. so we wouldn't be charged a percent if we grouped the charges? [4/30/2018 2:38 PM] clone1018 Hrm actually you're right [4/30/2018 2:38 PM] draco_the_drake For most companies micro-charges are a pain because of the fixed fee [4/30/2018 2:39 PM] clone1018 Right, I didnt know square didnt have any fixed fee [4/30/2018 2:39 PM] draco_the_drake what is the current percent for our CC provider for membership? [4/30/2018 2:39 PM] draco_the_drake if it is less then perhaps it might be better [4/30/2018 2:39 PM] clone1018 2.9% + $0.30 is stock authorize.net, not sure if we're at stock pricing or not [4/30/2018 2:40 PM] draco_the_drake The other thing you have to consider is the way they pay on the kiosks... isn't that all square? [4/30/2018 2:40 PM] clone1018 Yeah [4/30/2018 2:41 PM] draco_the_drake Is the pad itself square? would those need to be replaced? [4/30/2018 2:41 PM] clone1018 Yeah, removed ideally [4/30/2018 2:41 PM] clone1018 Laser consumables would be charged automatically [4/30/2018 2:41 PM] clone1018 This is all hypothetical of course [4/30/2018 2:41 PM] draco_the_drake sure .. I love brainstorming ideas [4/30/2018 2:42 PM] clone1018 Stage 1 is just move recurring memberships over so we can have tighter integration of invoice paying, family accounts and discounted rate approval [4/30/2018 2:42 PM] draco_the_drake *nods* [4/30/2018 2:43 PM] draco_the_drake how many of those kiosks do we have/ need? [4/30/2018 2:45 PM] clone1018 We have 4 for committtees [4/30/2018 2:45 PM] clone1018 5 if you count PR [4/30/2018 2:45 PM] clone1018 Woodshop, Metalshop, Laser, Creative Arts, PR [4/30/2018 2:46 PM] draco_the_drake Also, a seperate but potentally related idea ... what do you think about the idea of having the calendar also power the other classroom kiosks, the ones that are suppose to show what class is in the room and be able to sign in to one for accounting .. instead of a seperate app, just a webapp? [4/30/2018 2:46 PM] draco_the_drake Could any of these be used to pay for consumables... or if we replace them? [4/30/2018 2:47 PM] draco_the_drake Have it all integrated [4/30/2018 2:47 PM] clone1018 Everyone loves the idea of kiosks in front of each classroom [4/30/2018 2:47 PM] clone1018 showing the current class, and the schedule [4/30/2018 2:48 PM] draco_the_drake Yes .. it is something I want to work on doing ... however if we are wanting to replace the consumable kiosks... why not make them the same [4/30/2018 2:48 PM] clone1018 I don't want any payment kiosks [4/30/2018 2:48 PM] clone1018 I don't want any credit card processing done in house [4/30/2018 2:49 PM] draco_the_drake Ok, how do you propose people pay for things? [4/30/2018 2:49 PM] draco_the_drake I understand the laser one [4/30/2018 2:49 PM] clone1018 You'd login with your RFID and click pay [4/30/2018 2:49 PM] draco_the_drake They could just mark down that they used X [4/30/2018 2:49 PM] clone1018 and it would either charge you immediately or invoice it depending on what feels right [4/30/2018 2:49 PM] draco_the_drake ok .. then we are talking the same thign [4/30/2018 2:50 PM] draco_the_drake alright ... so the outside the classroom kiosks would work for that... [4/30/2018 2:50 PM] clone1018 yeah [4/30/2018 2:50 PM] draco_the_drake That would save us some money on replacing the others ... [4/30/2018 2:50 PM] draco_the_drake and get everything integrated [4/30/2018 2:50 PM] draco_the_drake and potientally people could login and see their bill or charges [4/30/2018 2:51 PM] clone1018 Yeah [4/30/2018 2:51 PM] draco_the_drake I like it [4/30/2018 2:55 PM] draco_the_drake Just brainstorming here .... the webpage would reset to a page from the calendar app and start there .. you could touch and swipe to see more of the current and upcoming classes for that room ... there would also be a "Pay" button somewhere easy .. that would hand off in some way to MM4 .. take the consumable info and hand back to the calendar app .. perhaps an IFRAME so the calendar app can detect no activity and reset itself back to the event screen [4/30/2018 2:55 PM] clone1018 Yeah, I like making webapps instead of actual apps [4/30/2018 2:55 PM] clone1018 and just hiding the browser UI [4/30/2018 2:55 PM] draco_the_drake me too [4/30/2018 2:56 PM] draco_the_drake This way it is easier to replace them in the future if something breaks [4/30/2018 2:56 PM] draco_the_drake anything should work [4/30/2018 2:56 PM] draco_the_drake except for the RFID .. I'm not certain how that integrates with a webapp [4/30/2018 2:58 PM] clone1018 Ugly: input box Pretty: JS to listen for 10 integers and then submit [4/30/2018 2:58 PM] draco_the_drake Oh it comes in as a keyboard then [4/30/2018 2:59 PM] clone1018 Yeah, the cheap ones are just keyboards [4/30/2018 2:59 PM] draco_the_drake if that is the case then no worries [4/30/2018 3:03 PM] draco_the_drake So, there will be no more cash .. or we already at a no cash system? [4/30/2018 3:03 PM] clone1018 There's still cash [4/30/2018 3:04 PM] clone1018 Cash is accounting nightmare [4/30/2018 3:04 PM] draco_the_drake Perhaps one of them could take cash? Then it would be assigned to the RFID tag [4/30/2018 3:05 PM] draco_the_drake That should help with accounting [4/30/2018 3:06 PM] draco_the_drake and everything should be counted and secured [4/30/2018 3:07 PM] draco_the_drake With a place with all volunteers, every bit of automation will help [4/30/2018 3:13 PM] clone1018 Hey that would be cool [4/30/2018 4:02 PM] clone1018 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PluggableAuth {Embed} https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PluggableAuth Extension:PluggableAuth The PluggableAuth extension provides a framework for creating authentication and authorization extensions. PluggableAuth provides the shared code necessary to implement these extensions. PluggableAuth is especially useful for use with enterprise ... [4/30/2018 4:02 PM] clone1018 Looks like I'll be using that tonight? [4/30/2018 4:18 PM] clone1018 @Draco you mention AD has redundancy, currently it's down at DMS 😛 [4/30/2018 4:18 PM] clone1018 https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/in-progress-vhm-07-jumpserver-prdc1-etc-are-down/35426 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/in-progress-vhm-07-jumpserver-prdc1-etc-are-down/35426 [IN PROGRESS] VHM-07, JumpServer, PRDC1, etc are down ISSUE or REQUEST: VHM-07 which hosts JumpServer, PRDC1, etc are down Affected Tool or Resource: JumpServer, API server, Multicam Committee, Group or Volunteer who usually handles this type of ISSUE or REQUEST (Please tag using the @ symbol. ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/CAnz8Y6i2mvfds1vIIcCALsvev7-YdOAf7vy8mSXebg/https/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/images/default-apple-touch-icon.png [4/30/2018 4:22 PM] draco_the_drake oh wow .. looks like the system died ... yup redunancy it is .. if one goes down everything else stays up [4/30/2018 4:23 PM] draco_the_drake For example, the kiosks should connect to the local mirror and if that is down then it goes to the internet as a backup ... [4/30/2018 4:24 PM] draco_the_drake So, MM4 and whatever is under it, should be completely replicatable elsewhere [4/30/2018 4:25 PM] draco_the_drake I'm sure laravel has a way to have a read database and a write database? [4/30/2018 4:26 PM] draco_the_drake then the two databases would slave [4/30/2018 4:26 PM] draco_the_drake one would be for writing and the other for read only [4/30/2018 4:29 PM] draco_the_drake The way some implmentations work is that it switches the user over to the write database for a short while, so the page can come back with all the correct information until the slave replicates in the background then after a timeout it switches back to doing all reads from the slave [4/30/2018 4:29 PM] draco_the_drake When I say database I mean database server [4/30/2018 4:47 PM] draco_the_drake In our case, if the internet was down, the kiosks would be in read-only mode or perhaps cache any consumables until the internet goes back up and can update the write database [4/30/2018 4:50 PM] denzuko so our databases servers are hosted on aws and about the only thing that went down was dc1 out of 3, both jump servers, the cameras, and API server. just about everything public facing is in AWS [4/30/2018 4:50 PM] denzuko oh dns at the space would be down too [4/30/2018 4:51 PM] draco_the_drake We have been talking about moving away from AD being the offical information source and instead it being MakerManager 4 [4/30/2018 4:51 PM] denzuko that's handled via dc1 [4/30/2018 4:52 PM] denzuko so how would that be synced with the desktop logins? [4/30/2018 4:52 PM] denzuko or anything else that requires ldap? [4/30/2018 4:52 PM] draco_the_drake It would have to update the AD/LDAP ... [4/30/2018 4:52 PM] draco_the_drake like it does other things [4/30/2018 4:52 PM] draco_the_drake with this, the webapps would have a non-complex way of getting auth [4/30/2018 4:53 PM] draco_the_drake right now it is a bit complicated [4/30/2018 4:53 PM] draco_the_drake Then MM4 would be replicated on-site [4/30/2018 4:54 PM] draco_the_drake and everything here would have at least two MM4 instances to auth from .. and we would build plugins and adapters that anyone can use [4/30/2018 4:54 PM] draco_the_drake anything from web frameworks to esps [4/30/2018 4:56 PM] denzuko would making mm4 be a jwt/oauth identity provider make that more simplified? [4/30/2018 4:56 PM] draco_the_drake I'm not sure what is going to be the simplist and most universal [4/30/2018 4:57 PM] draco_the_drake We want our c128 if we wish to auth from it haha [4/30/2018 4:58 PM] draco_the_drake I just know that AD is not the best choice [4/30/2018 4:58 PM] denzuko well jwt and oauth talks restful http so that is super universal [4/30/2018 4:59 PM] draco_the_drake It also needs to be able to get some custom user information [4/30/2018 5:00 PM] draco_the_drake like the groups/roles assigned [4/30/2018 5:00 PM] draco_the_drake phone number [4/30/2018 5:00 PM] draco_the_drake display name [4/30/2018 5:00 PM] draco_the_drake email [4/30/2018 5:01 PM] denzuko ldap on the other hand makes for a great distributed database for users, groups,and devices. we would just need to interface with it on one point and make that point as self service as possible [4/30/2018 5:01 PM] draco_the_drake I like LDAP .. I just don't like AD/LDAP [4/30/2018 5:01 PM] denzuko I know what you mean. [4/30/2018 5:02 PM] draco_the_drake LDAP is complex [4/30/2018 5:02 PM] draco_the_drake what key? what do I search for? [4/30/2018 5:02 PM] draco_the_drake where is it [4/30/2018 5:02 PM] draco_the_drake just give me the damn thing [4/30/2018 5:02 PM] draco_the_drake lol [4/30/2018 5:04 PM] draco_the_drake I know that Luke wants to store the committees in there [4/30/2018 5:04 PM] denzuko it's not really that complex just like vim just need to wrap one head around the schemas and conventions [4/30/2018 5:04 PM] draco_the_drake But can someone that is an embedded designer care to do that? [4/30/2018 5:05 PM] draco_the_drake they just want to know if someone is a member of a group or not [4/30/2018 5:05 PM] denzuko yep so that's where oauth comes in [4/30/2018 5:05 PM] draco_the_drake Well, alright .. it is something I will look into [4/30/2018 5:06 PM] draco_the_drake 😃 [4/30/2018 5:09 PM] denzuko 👍 [4/30/2018 5:29 PM] draco_the_drake @LukeStrickland .... https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/how-does-one-get-items-for-sale-added-to-square-kiosk/35396 [4/30/2018 5:30 PM] draco_the_drake Should committee items be allowed for sale on the kiosks? [4/30/2018 5:31 PM] draco_the_drake I think it is something to consider [4/30/2018 5:32 PM] denzuko I don't see any reason why it's not feasible [4/30/2018 5:33 PM] canibalcrab personally i dont think we should confuse the kiosks with "merch" and "consumables" [4/30/2018 5:36 PM] canibalcrab im going to derail here [4/30/2018 5:36 PM] canibalcrab !about [4/30/2018 5:36 PM] dallas-makerspace#4763 I'm the friendly bot for managing various automatic rules and features of the Dallas Makerspace Discord chat server. I understand the following commands: `!about` or `!commands` - This about message. `!help` - Request help from volunteers, for example `!help I can't access the fileserver` will send a request to the active volunteers. `!volunteer` - Add yourself to the list of active volunteers, gain access to post in the #deleted-channel channel. `!unvoluntter` - Remove yourself from the list of active volunteers and stop receiving notifcations. `!volunteers` - List the active volunteers. `!members` - Show the total number of active DMS members. `!8ball` - Ask the magic 8 ball a question. `!random` - Request a random number, chosen by fair dice roll. If I'm not working correctly or you'd like to help improve me, please join the #infrastructure channel. My source code is available at: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot. [4/30/2018 5:37 PM] canibalcrab If the VCC would like to play with the discord bot, its open source on the github. we modified ours on out gaming server to do a lot more, the DMS bot is based on our gaming server one, just with less profanity [4/30/2018 5:38 PM] canibalcrab https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot. [4/30/2018 5:42 PM] draco_the_drake That might be interesting to integrate .. [4/30/2018 5:42 PM] draco_the_drake or add to [4/30/2018 5:43 PM] canibalcrab its mostly written by andrew lecody and david cotten as a thought experiment [4/30/2018 5:43 PM] draco_the_drake I will check it out [5/2/2018 7:08 PM] draco_the_drake @LukeStrickland ... I'm about to head to the space .. are you up there by chance ... I know you wanted to talk about the softwares [5/2/2018 7:15 PM] clone1018 Yeah I am I'll be here awhile gonna grab food in a second so I'll be back [5/2/2018 9:08 PM] denzuko guys, I just got done creating an inventory application for the museum and committee's use. Feel free to access it at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KtqXi60tvYwnueNzMnd9nhs0u6OCrnR44PDGj6T_ywY/edit?usp=sharing {Embed} https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KtqXi60tvYwnueNzMnd9nhs0u6OCrnR44PDGj6T_ywY/edit?usp=sharing vcc donation inventory inventory id, description, value, donated by, donated on, category, status, tax receipt, source 1, Mac Pro Tower and monitor( model A1289), 599. 99, Luke Olson, 04-27-2017, computing, needs work, no, talk 2, Display case( ikea DETOLF, white),... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/JK4acq3Rm5MAZ-nSJ3C67MB1EiDAuLaW8UViW4Urpz4/https/lh6.googleusercontent.com/QQQITdgOH2PZk6pHlEJSYD_GgfUEGiW3Kq7h-ilSWeiMIqUI4ykM-Ou9EhvbSKhKBatkHg%3Dw1200-h630-p [5/2/2018 9:13 PM] denzuko got to track down what I did with the donation form but when I do, it would be merged in with this one. [5/3/2018 3:32 AM] talkers https://www.fastcodesign.com/90170255/using-the-old-mac-os-is-pure-zen {Embed} https://www.fastcodesign.com/90170255/using-the-old-mac-os-is-pure-zen Using The Old Mac OS Is Pure Zen The early Mac OS makes our current phones and laptops look like the slot machines they are. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fCmIfs1F6XxBc2fk1TjdNTn64DVoh-RGUX5jszy8Edk/https/images.fastcompany.net/image/upload/w_1280%2Cf_auto%2Cq_auto%2Cfl_lossy/wp-cms/uploads/sites/4/2018/04/p-3b-the-original-mac-was-a-masterpiece-in-calm-computing.jpg [5/3/2018 6:47 AM] andrew5152 @john a gorman neat link. Thank you for the throwback (Thursday; I know, it's a thing, rarely good; this is an exception!) Something you really miss with the emulator, though, is the thrill of running a fully functional GUI OS from a floppy disk (well, maybe a pair; I don't quite recall, to be honest). My now-wife, at the time, had a Mac when we hit college in 1991ish and used it for term papers and the like for several years. Though the tech was ancient at the time, it beat the hell out of having to use the typewriters most of us still had to use, or the 4-seat closet "computer lab" staffed by unpleasants. [5/3/2018 7:43 AM] denzuko ah.. the bofh types. I actually got a long with those guys in the early 90's when I hung out in the local community college computer lab. The director of the lab kept trying to get me to use the one and only Mac. But the rest of the guys and I had more fun playing with the ibm systems and windows nt 3.11. They help me get on the well and we had a blast playing doom together. [5/3/2018 7:45 AM] denzuko it's little things like that which really opens hearts and minds for kids. :D {Reactions} 👍 [5/3/2018 9:44 AM] blackfire_tx9040 I dropped off Xargon 1-3 the other night. I wrote my name on the inside cover. They can be displayed for a while. (Or played if someone has a DOS computer) [5/3/2018 10:34 AM] denzuko @Blackfire_tx how long is "a while"? [5/3/2018 10:36 AM] denzuko also, it looks like the archive only has xargon 1 : https://archive.org/search.php?query=Xargon [5/3/2018 10:36 AM] denzuko mind if we make a few iso images of the disks and scans of the box/manual? [5/3/2018 11:42 AM] denzuko @john a gorman Thanks for the inspiration; https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/retrotalk-throwbackthursday-opengem/35578 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/retrotalk-throwbackthursday-opengem/35578 [RetroTalk] #ThrowBackThursday - OpenGEM OpenGEM Being is a non-multitasking 16-bit graphical user interface (GUI) for DOS. OpenGEM is an extended distribution of FreeGEM that includes features of the original Digital Research GEM the original GUI for DR-DOS, CP/M, and Amiga/Commodore P... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FXuMvjC6M0uAnvtvjzDRy3SmJ0UmA1ioHeAdOemp3gE/https/opensource.com/sites/default/files/lead-images/wings_freedos_game.jpg [5/3/2018 1:13 PM] denzuko @Draco take a look at the bbs that I just turned back on - http://52.204.55.41 [5/3/2018 5:28 PM] blackfire_tx9040 Go for it. I had to look for a while to find 2 and 3. "A while" can be as long as VCC wants to display it or when I need them back. I did image the media using the dd command under linux. FYI it is floppies only. (no CDs) [5/3/2018 5:37 PM] denzuko smashing. oh for knowledge, doing a block level image of a storage device like that with `dd(1)` is an ISO. It's not just for CD-ROM images. [5/3/2018 6:02 PM] blackfire_tx9040 meh... was just pointing it out. [5/3/2018 6:41 PM] denzuko no worries. either way. we'll get that on display shortly and work to have a dos system for playing as well [5/3/2018 6:59 PM] draco_the_drake I will have to check it out [5/3/2018 7:00 PM] draco_the_drake Question .. what can we do with the jump server? There is not much software installed on it. No GCC or even BZIP .. [5/3/2018 7:00 PM] draco_the_drake I'm talking the Linux ubuntu one [5/3/2018 7:01 PM] draco_the_drake It would be nice to install the build-essentials package [5/3/2018 7:01 PM] draco_the_drake Is there python? [5/3/2018 7:02 PM] denzuko I think that was by design. but just visit communitygrid.dms.local and login with your ad creds then launch a Ubuntu container. [5/3/2018 7:02 PM] draco_the_drake ah ok [5/3/2018 7:04 PM] denzuko https://youtu.be/qyTLX1gLlb4 {Embed} muhammad hanif https://youtu.be/qyTLX1gLlb4 Portainer - Simple Management UI For Docker Portainer is an open-source lightweight management ui which allows you to easily manage your docker host or swarm cluster. (http://portainer.io/index.html). ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-hpEbbiuELCp75SB7ka-X0JjjseRTWyUIJsNsyjDvro/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/qyTLX1gLlb4/maxresdefault.jpg [5/3/2018 7:05 PM] draco_the_drake Also, I can't seem to get into the opencast server anymore .. prlxocast01 @ 192.168.200.81 .. does it have winbind? [5/3/2018 7:05 PM] draco_the_drake or the AD things on it like it did before? [5/3/2018 7:05 PM] draco_the_drake I have the group priv for sudo on it [5/3/2018 7:06 PM] draco_the_drake Mark and I were wanting to work on it [5/3/2018 7:06 PM] draco_the_drake but couldn't get into it [5/3/2018 7:07 PM] denzuko dont know about that one. but let's screen share tonight once I get in. I'm in downtown at the moment and heading out to Plano so it's going to be about 8:30 when I can jump online [5/3/2018 7:08 PM] draco_the_drake k [5/3/2018 8:29 PM] denzuko I'm online.. let me look into the opencast server [5/3/2018 8:40 PM] denzuko @Draco prlxocast01 only seems to have ssh running. could you put in the issue ticket so I can go into it and reset the login [5/3/2018 9:04 PM] draco_the_drake doen [5/3/2018 9:04 PM] draco_the_drake done even [5/3/2018 9:07 PM] denzuko do you have a github account? [5/3/2018 9:12 PM] denzuko or a ssh pubkey I can install? [5/3/2018 9:23 PM] draco_the_drake I think getting it back working with AD is what we need [5/3/2018 9:25 PM] draco_the_drake if you need to wipe it and put ubuntu back on it.. that is fine as well .. as long it is LTS and at least 16 [5/3/2018 9:32 PM] denzuko your account is still there its just that I'd rather copy your ssh pub key into the authorized_keys so you can go and set things up on your own [5/3/2018 9:46 PM] draco_the_drake Is there a standard way of setting these up .. I know there was .. for example the jump server works this way [5/3/2018 9:47 PM] draco_the_drake How would I go about fixing it? [5/3/2018 9:47 PM] draco_the_drake It should create the user when they first login [5/3/2018 9:48 PM] draco_the_drake and check to see if they are in the Opencast group and then allow sudo [5/3/2018 9:48 PM] draco_the_drake I know very little about doing that [5/3/2018 9:48 PM] denzuko was it already on the domain? [5/3/2018 9:48 PM] draco_the_drake yes [5/3/2018 9:49 PM] denzuko then it should still be and its just blocking logins because the filesystem needed scanning [5/3/2018 9:49 PM] draco_the_drake ah ok [5/3/2018 9:49 PM] denzuko let me finish the reboot and you can try it from there [5/3/2018 9:50 PM] draco_the_drake How do I get to the jump server from remote? [5/3/2018 9:51 PM] draco_the_drake linux jump server [5/3/2018 9:51 PM] denzuko `ssh -l draco -p 2222 physical.dallasmakerspace.org` [5/3/2018 9:52 PM] draco_the_drake ah port 2222 [5/3/2018 9:53 PM] denzuko I do highly advise using something like `keychain(1)` to use ssh pubkey authentication but its not a requirement [5/3/2018 9:53 PM] draco_the_drake *nods* .. ok it let me in [5/3/2018 9:53 PM] draco_the_drake thanks .. resolved [5/3/2018 9:54 PM] draco_the_drake it isn't letting me sudo [5/3/2018 9:54 PM] draco_the_drake 😦 [5/3/2018 9:55 PM] denzuko one sec [5/3/2018 9:58 PM] denzuko your good to go. just log back in [5/3/2018 9:59 PM] denzuko btw if you where seeing some matrix level stuff typing on your screen there. that was me 😃 its a program that comes with all *nix's called write [5/3/2018 9:59 PM] draco_the_drake ``` [sudo] password for draco: Sorry, try again. ``` [5/3/2018 10:00 PM] draco_the_drake yup I know about it ... 😃 [5/3/2018 10:00 PM] denzuko figured a fellow grey beard would 😃 [5/3/2018 10:00 PM] draco_the_drake There is also the ```wall``` command [5/3/2018 10:00 PM] denzuko yep and talk [5/3/2018 10:00 PM] denzuko oh ytalk was way more fun though [5/3/2018 10:00 PM] draco_the_drake yup .. I still can't get into sudo [5/3/2018 10:00 PM] draco_the_drake yes [5/3/2018 10:01 PM] denzuko right, so its asking for your password. did you try resetting that? [5/3/2018 10:01 PM] draco_the_drake should it not pull it from AD? [5/3/2018 10:02 PM] draco_the_drake it wants my current password .. I never used one [5/3/2018 10:02 PM] draco_the_drake or it wants my old old old password which I have no idea [5/3/2018 10:02 PM] denzuko either case go a head and run passwd [5/3/2018 10:02 PM] draco_the_drake ``` draco@prlxocast01:~$ passwd Changing password for draco (current) password: ``` [5/3/2018 10:03 PM] draco_the_drake as I said it wants my current password [5/3/2018 10:03 PM] draco_the_drake ``` draco@prlxocast01:~$ passwd Changing password for draco (current) password: Password authentication failure passwd: Authentication failure passwd: password unchanged ``` [5/3/2018 10:04 PM] denzuko passwd: user 'draco' does not exist in /etc/passwd [5/3/2018 10:04 PM] denzuko try your ad password [5/3/2018 10:04 PM] draco_the_drake I am [5/3/2018 10:04 PM] denzuko o.O? [5/3/2018 10:04 PM] denzuko oops [5/3/2018 10:04 PM] denzuko one sec [5/3/2018 10:04 PM] denzuko wrong machine [5/3/2018 10:06 PM] denzuko I'm about to award the bofh award of most evil server to this thing [5/3/2018 10:09 PM] draco_the_drake *snickers* [5/3/2018 10:12 PM] denzuko ok, had to manually add your username to the config files. try it now [5/3/2018 10:13 PM] draco_the_drake ``` draco@prlxocast01:~$ sudo less /etc/sudoers [sudo] password for draco: Sorry, try again. ``` [5/3/2018 10:13 PM] draco_the_drake what password do I use? [5/3/2018 10:14 PM] denzuko there shouldn't be a password [5/3/2018 10:14 PM] draco_the_drake there is .. there always is for sudo [5/3/2018 10:15 PM] draco_the_drake at least the first time within the timeout [5/3/2018 10:16 PM] denzuko I'm being an pfy [5/3/2018 10:16 PM] denzuko just needed to reconfigure sudo try it now [5/3/2018 10:17 PM] draco_the_drake same .. still asks for a password as it should [5/3/2018 10:17 PM] draco_the_drake I logged out and back in again too [5/3/2018 10:18 PM] draco_the_drake it doesn't ask for a password for me to login from jump [5/3/2018 10:20 PM] draco_the_drake What are we using for AD auth? [5/3/2018 10:21 PM] denzuko centrify [5/3/2018 10:21 PM] denzuko which is totally not needed [5/3/2018 10:21 PM] denzuko I've ran domains with samba, krb5, and ldap just fine and not needed a third party tool which uses those same packages anyways [5/3/2018 10:22 PM] denzuko right, try login out and back in [5/3/2018 10:22 PM] draco_the_drake ok .. it doesn't ask for a password [5/3/2018 10:22 PM] draco_the_drake are we using the AD group? [5/3/2018 10:23 PM] denzuko yeah [5/3/2018 10:24 PM] denzuko good to go? [5/3/2018 10:24 PM] draco_the_drake For now .. yup .. the reason I ask is because mark will need to login as well with sudo rights [5/3/2018 10:24 PM] draco_the_drake and perhaps others .. AD groups are just easyer [5/3/2018 10:24 PM] draco_the_drake easier [5/3/2018 10:25 PM] denzuko make sure they're in the linux_admin group in ad then [5/3/2018 10:25 PM] draco_the_drake is this on in a vm or on a machine [5/3/2018 10:27 PM] draco_the_drake This looks like the VM [5/3/2018 10:27 PM] draco_the_drake Which machine is the actual server [5/3/2018 10:27 PM] draco_the_drake is it PRLXOCAST02 ? [5/3/2018 10:28 PM] denzuko vm on vmh-7 [5/3/2018 10:30 PM] denzuko I don't even see a PRLXOCAST02 [5/3/2018 10:31 PM] draco_the_drake hmm ok [5/3/2018 10:32 PM] draco_the_drake I know it was a 12 core 48gb 1U [5/3/2018 11:55 PM] denzuko well my brain is doing the hazy thing when there's too much blood in my caffeine system, only perscription know is to sleep following up with 100mg fresh ground Italian roast Expresso. [5/3/2018 11:55 PM] denzuko when I get back to the office I'll remote in and see what happen to that 12 core unit [5/4/2018 9:13 AM] denzuko there's an opencast2 system on the network but not sure if that's the one your referring to. it has an IP of 192.168.202.60 and runs ssh, vnc, samba. [5/4/2018 10:55 AM] draco_the_drake Yes that is in the lecture hall .. that is not the server [5/4/2018 10:56 AM] draco_the_drake The server may be unplugged in the server room [5/4/2018 10:57 AM] draco_the_drake Did you see my PM ... perhaps you can check the ticket? [5/4/2018 11:07 AM] denzuko Nmap done: 2 IP addresses (0 hosts up) scanned in 3.06 seconds for both of the ip's you sent. [5/4/2018 11:09 AM] denzuko only the .81 is online. Do you have the link to the original ticket? [5/4/2018 11:12 AM] draco_the_drake PMed you [5/4/2018 11:38 AM] denzuko Does anyone know if AmigaOS 4.1 can run on native on a g3 iMac? [5/6/2018 1:02 PM] clone1018 Might make an arduino sensor for detecting if a bathroom is in use or not [5/6/2018 1:02 PM] clone1018 based on the door latch [5/6/2018 6:51 PM] draco_the_drake @LukeStrickland .. you could do that but we have two sets of restrooms.... I think it might be better to just get the urnal fixed .. what is the status of that anyway? [5/6/2018 10:20 PM] denzuko @Draco last I heard the urinal was ordered, but @StanSimmons knows the details [5/6/2018 10:21 PM] draco_the_drake Last I heard from an unoffical source that the plumber disappeared [5/6/2018 10:38 PM] clone1018 For the unisex [5/6/2018 11:01 PM] draco_the_drake Ah, an arduino sensor for the unisex bathroom? How would it present itself to the world or tell you the status? [5/6/2018 11:04 PM] draco_the_drake You might look at https://www.adafruit.com/product/3400 {Embed} https://www.adafruit.com/product/3400 Raspberry Pi Zero W If you didn't think that the Raspberry Pi Zero could possibly get any better, then boy do we have a pleasant surprise for you! The new Raspberry Pi Zero W offers all the benefits of ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/kcTWhCY4wNXqaYWzYvx1LYRteS_1def3JCYM-UhpVCk/http/www.adafruit.com/images/480x360/3400-00.jpg [5/6/2018 11:05 PM] draco_the_drake It is $10 and has WIFI [5/6/2018 11:09 PM] canibalcrab Seems like overkill [5/7/2018 1:04 AM] draco_the_drake How much would the arduino and wifi/network shield cost? I am betting quite a bit more than $10 [5/7/2018 1:05 AM] canibalcrab it doesnt need wifi [5/7/2018 1:05 AM] draco_the_drake It needs some way to communicate out into the shop area [5/7/2018 1:05 AM] canibalcrab just light a sign on the other side of the door [5/7/2018 1:05 AM] draco_the_drake Then you don't need an arduino [5/7/2018 1:06 AM] canibalcrab but even so, running a small linux pc to light a sign still seems like overkill [5/7/2018 1:07 AM] draco_the_drake That is what is happening everywhere .. it does seem so but as prices fall this is what happens. It becomes the cheaper alternative to do it with all the things that were expensive many years ago [5/7/2018 2:26 AM] denzuko if we want to talk prices, well the esp8266 has built-in wifi, works with the arduino ide/libraries, and can control relay switches via gpios while talking "iot". All for the low price of $2 + s&h. I actually can see these guys being used for iBeacons around the space and since they're such low powered devices using only a battery to power them. From there the iBeacons can direct members to the location of things via an alexa skill. [5/7/2018 3:36 AM] draco_the_drake That is true about the esp8266 but they are harder to program and if you want a web interface or push notifications to when the bathroom is avaliable then you will need some sort of server for it to connect to ... [5/7/2018 3:37 AM] denzuko which isn't that hard to do [5/7/2018 3:38 AM] draco_the_drake True it isn't but with the Pi Zero W you wouldn't need it for $8 more [5/7/2018 3:39 AM] draco_the_drake I mean if we are going with a bunch of these .. the esp might be the way to go .. and have them all connect to the main server [5/7/2018 3:40 AM] denzuko yep. [5/7/2018 3:40 AM] denzuko check out this vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5hk1k17dXg {Embed} Vela Hiko https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5hk1k17dXg ESP8266 + MQTT + OpenHAB Demo This video gives a demonstration of using the ESP8266-01 (ESP-01) and OpenHAB to control a Relay, using MQTT. The PCB was designed using Eagle, and the ESP c... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/CkaqSqMi4iQxz0ko0vsw3q-LtksbOusPWTpMu-T8BJM/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/K5hk1k17dXg/maxresdefault.jpg [5/7/2018 3:41 AM] draco_the_drake However, the Pi Zero W has more GPIO pins and storage [5/7/2018 3:41 AM] draco_the_drake + HDMI [5/7/2018 3:41 AM] draco_the_drake and I believe USB [5/7/2018 3:41 AM] denzuko omg.. why would anyone want HDMI on a iot device? [5/7/2018 3:42 AM] draco_the_drake People want screens on devices ... [5/7/2018 3:42 AM] draco_the_drake https://www.adafruit.com/product/3400 {Embed} https://www.adafruit.com/product/3400 Raspberry Pi Zero W If you didn't think that the Raspberry Pi Zero could possibly get any better, then boy do we have a pleasant surprise for you! The new Raspberry Pi Zero W offers all the benefits of ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/kcTWhCY4wNXqaYWzYvx1LYRteS_1def3JCYM-UhpVCk/http/www.adafruit.com/images/480x360/3400-00.jpg [5/7/2018 3:44 AM] draco_the_drake Bluetooth Low Energy is also included [5/7/2018 3:44 AM] denzuko ok I can understand if one was to run power, ethernet, and usb over the hdmi or even a serial port and maybe configured with a gui from rdp [5/7/2018 3:44 AM] draco_the_drake It is the price that I like $10 [5/7/2018 3:45 AM] draco_the_drake I really can't beat it [5/7/2018 3:46 AM] denzuko ok sure, nicely priced but esp8266 does the job for a tenth of that and yes, one can flash nodemcu onto it so its programmed via javascript [5/7/2018 3:48 AM] draco_the_drake It all depends on what you are doing. I suppose .. I mean if you need the power, storage or web server then the pi .. if you just need a sensor or control something remotely ... the esp would work great [5/7/2018 3:49 AM] denzuko exactly its just about the right tool for the right job [5/7/2018 3:49 AM] draco_the_drake agreed [5/7/2018 3:49 AM] draco_the_drake What are you doing up this late? [5/7/2018 3:49 AM] draco_the_drake I can't sleep [5/7/2018 3:56 AM] denzuko I'm actually getting ready for work [5/7/2018 3:57 AM] denzuko there's a big push to fix the logging and I've been cleaning up my code for release so they can just pull it off git hub [5/7/2018 3:57 AM] denzuko well them and dms too [5/7/2018 4:01 AM] draco_the_drake *nods* [5/7/2018 4:12 AM] denzuko oh fyi. if you bundle your package into a docker image then we can update apps.dallasmakerspace.org. docker hub and github is the official package repository for dms. [5/7/2018 4:14 AM] denzuko we may have to look into artifactory at some point since it does it all [5/7/2018 4:14 AM] draco_the_drake It is not that big .. it is for the calendar rss feed [5/7/2018 4:14 AM] draco_the_drake and it is forked from elsewhere [5/7/2018 4:15 AM] draco_the_drake There were some errors with the package I am using .. I haven't decided if it is good enough yet [5/7/2018 4:15 AM] denzuko righty oh [5/7/2018 4:16 AM] draco_the_drake But please document some of this wonderful docker magic on the wiki [5/7/2018 4:16 AM] draco_the_drake I'm sure that people will use it [5/7/2018 10:21 AM] shdragon Really dumb question: Would it not be easier to just install one of those locks that has a "vacant/occupied" displays on the outside? Downside: Less excuse to play around with cool tech gizmos. [5/7/2018 10:24 AM] denzuko maybe but the project manager in me is screaming get the root cause fixed first then revisit new features. [5/7/2018 10:24 AM] clone1018 i want to see it around the corner 😃 [5/7/2018 10:24 AM] clone1018 @Denzuko.sdf.org what root cause fixed? [5/7/2018 10:24 AM] denzuko if we're talking about the mens lue then that urinal being fixed [5/7/2018 10:25 AM] denzuko if its all four restrooms then ok, that's a different thing [5/7/2018 10:25 AM] clone1018 Nah fam [5/7/2018 10:25 AM] clone1018 Just wanna see when the two unisex are taken [5/7/2018 10:25 AM] clone1018 instead of body slamming the door [5/7/2018 10:25 AM] denzuko right [5/7/2018 11:12 AM] canibalcrab Or. Or. Just gently push on the door [5/7/2018 11:13 AM] shdragon Get out of here with your logic and making sense. 😉 [5/7/2018 11:47 AM] draco_the_drake I take everything back .. Rasp Pi Zero W .. IS overkill for this haha [5/7/2018 12:04 PM] denzuko lol [5/7/2018 2:38 PM] draco_the_drake Although .. what about a robot to push on the door gently, detect if it is locked and then report back over the wifi to the signs which lights up the status text in rgb leds [5/7/2018 2:38 PM] draco_the_drake lol [5/7/2018 2:40 PM] draco_the_drake I mean if we are going for overkill .. might as well go full bore [5/7/2018 2:40 PM] canibalcrab Only of it does the Terminator knock [5/7/2018 2:40 PM] draco_the_drake lol [5/7/2018 4:13 PM] denzuko should also have a smell sensor [5/7/2018 4:13 PM] denzuko what that should do I'll leave to everyones imagination 😄 [5/7/2018 4:14 PM] draco_the_drake Yes, and it can judge the occupant [5/7/2018 4:15 PM] draco_the_drake *snickers* [5/7/2018 4:17 PM] denzuko lol [5/7/2018 4:19 PM] denzuko MQ-4 methane gas sensor hmm.. [5/7/2018 4:21 PM] draco_the_drake How about a hydrogen sulfide detector lol [5/7/2018 4:26 PM] denzuko that might work.. just keep it away from science [5/9/2018 2:50 PM] draco_the_drake ```fix The VCC Committee meeting is tonight https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/5918 ``` [5/9/2018 3:02 PM] denzuko Looks like we have two confirmed [5/9/2018 3:03 PM] denzuko @mrcity anything you would like to bring up at this month's committee meeting? [5/9/2018 3:12 PM] draco_the_drake hey @Denzuko.sdf.org .. I have my beta site up .. http://dmscalendar.dragonsguild.net/ [5/9/2018 3:12 PM] draco_the_drake No data yet .. perhaps I could ask for read access to the calendar database and pull the data every so often to keep it updated [5/9/2018 3:16 PM] denzuko well feedly seems to handle both atom and rss feeds just fine 😃 [5/9/2018 3:18 PM] denzuko we may have to setup a load balancer or vm instance in aws then spin a docker container with the new changes that way you'll have access to the ldap and sql databases [5/9/2018 3:18 PM] draco_the_drake I'm not really needing ldap .. the sql should be avaliable remotely [5/9/2018 3:18 PM] draco_the_drake as long as I have access [5/9/2018 3:19 PM] draco_the_drake I don't want people creating events .. in fact I may redirect them to the main site [5/9/2018 3:19 PM] draco_the_drake it is just for those wanting to test it [5/9/2018 3:19 PM] draco_the_drake and see if it works with all sites .. and has the information we want [5/9/2018 3:20 PM] draco_the_drake It is very temporary [5/9/2018 3:20 PM] draco_the_drake but perhaps it might be better to setup something for future development [5/9/2018 3:20 PM] draco_the_drake testing [5/9/2018 3:20 PM] draco_the_drake I would hate to go live and have it break and not be able to fix it quickly [5/9/2018 3:21 PM] denzuko yeah, I get what your saying about testing. I'm one for using clones of each environment for testing. But isn't the calendar using ldap for authentication? [5/9/2018 3:21 PM] draco_the_drake Not on my site [5/9/2018 3:21 PM] draco_the_drake it is using a static set of users [5/9/2018 3:22 PM] draco_the_drake This way, I can login as Calendar Admin or Honorarium Admin .. or whatever [5/9/2018 3:22 PM] draco_the_drake without having rights to really do tht [5/9/2018 3:22 PM] draco_the_drake that [5/9/2018 3:23 PM] denzuko understandable [5/9/2018 3:27 PM] clone1018 I have a calendar-test app setup on the existing server [5/9/2018 3:27 PM] clone1018 but it uses production read data [5/9/2018 3:42 PM] denzuko ok, I think one of the goals that I need to meet for you guys is to make sure the community grid is setup in production and to hold a short intro class for how to use it. [5/9/2018 3:50 PM] draco_the_drake @LukeStrickland .. great .. what is the url? [5/9/2018 3:57 PM] clone1018 Only accessible with a host entry inside the building [5/9/2018 3:57 PM] draco_the_drake Or from the jump server? [5/9/2018 3:58 PM] clone1018 Yeah that would work [5/9/2018 3:58 PM] draco_the_drake Alright .. I'm ready [5/9/2018 5:06 PM] draco_the_drake Most RSS feeds are consumed by services on the internet... how can we use that to test them? [5/9/2018 5:34 PM] denzuko feedly? [5/9/2018 5:34 PM] denzuko google cal? [5/10/2018 8:57 AM] clone1018 The MediaWiki now uses MakerManager for auth [5/10/2018 8:57 AM] clone1018 Still technically LDAP, but no longer does Mediawiki need to speak LDAP {Reactions} 😃 [5/10/2018 9:01 AM] clone1018 MakerManager is also now importing all Smartwaiver signs [5/11/2018 7:41 PM] blackfire_tx9040 Xargon 2 & 3 images. [5/11/2018 7:41 PM] blackfire_tx9040 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/444660291070984192/xargon_2.img?ex=67b91d2a&is=67b7cbaa&hm=3ed1b8f534f208730016fd38b82fe218af5db55760fd3cd974a8d312556b1c21& [5/11/2018 7:41 PM] blackfire_tx9040 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/444660295957479424/xargon_3.img?ex=67b91d2b&is=67b7cbab&hm=72fd0123a0d8f2b30096c5494a8a501f9c674d658db07269ba56458852d12f68& [5/12/2018 9:21 PM] draco_the_drake Intranet web pages for all ... idea [5/12/2018 9:21 PM] draco_the_drake https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/intranet-web-pages-for-all/36178 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/intranet-web-pages-for-all/36178 Intranet web pages for all I think it would be great if we could create our own internal web pages for working on software local to the makerspace. I think we could have something like shared hosting with our own internal domain name. For example, a users base domain nam... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/CAnz8Y6i2mvfds1vIIcCALsvev7-YdOAf7vy8mSXebg/https/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/images/default-apple-touch-icon.png [5/12/2018 11:04 PM] draco_the_drake Here is a free web control panel for shared hosting.. it handles creating the account, setting up web, dns, databases, emails and ftp .. https://www.virtualmin.com/ [5/12/2018 11:05 PM] draco_the_drake It also has a way to create accounts from a console command line or script [5/12/2018 11:06 PM] draco_the_drake and web mail plus auto installers [5/12/2018 11:08 PM] draco_the_drake They also have Cloudmin for creating VPSes like Virtualmin is for shared hosting [5/12/2018 11:09 PM] draco_the_drake I think this would be great for the Computer Committee to do [5/12/2018 11:10 PM] denzuko we've been using portainer [5/12/2018 11:11 PM] draco_the_drake That is for docker only, right? [5/12/2018 11:11 PM] denzuko and openstack [5/12/2018 11:11 PM] draco_the_drake *nods* .. docker is great if you arelady have an app you want deployed [5/12/2018 11:12 PM] denzuko not true [5/12/2018 11:12 PM] draco_the_drake it's not? [5/12/2018 11:12 PM] denzuko search for Ubuntu desktop on docker hub [5/12/2018 11:14 PM] draco_the_drake Yes ok .. you can run a VPS like container .. that is nice .. however, I'm going for more a shared hosting type thing where you don't have to admin everything and you can just create whatever domain you want over your own assigned base domain name .. [5/12/2018 11:15 PM] draco_the_drake and start coding inside it ... it takes up dramaticly less space to do shared hosting [5/12/2018 11:15 PM] draco_the_drake I'm not saying not to continue docker [5/12/2018 11:15 PM] draco_the_drake I think it is great too [5/12/2018 11:15 PM] denzuko that's exactly how the community grid is already set up [5/12/2018 11:15 PM] draco_the_drake it may be the VPS offering [5/12/2018 11:16 PM] denzuko you know of bsd jails right? [5/12/2018 11:17 PM] draco_the_drake ok, so I can go somewhere, right now and get to a control panel that I can easily create a new domain name and database for my PHP app that is accessable from computers around the space? then ssh into it and start coding? [5/12/2018 11:17 PM] denzuko yes! [5/12/2018 11:17 PM] draco_the_drake Great.. what is the web address? [5/12/2018 11:18 PM] denzuko apps.communitygrid.dms.local [5/12/2018 11:18 PM] draco_the_drake and how do I setup a domain name? [5/12/2018 11:18 PM] denzuko ping me the domain name or do a cname to that url above [5/12/2018 11:18 PM] draco_the_drake no .. I want to setup as I please [5/12/2018 11:18 PM] draco_the_drake like I described [5/12/2018 11:19 PM] denzuko I really think we need to go over how the community grid works and get you to start playing around with it [5/12/2018 11:19 PM] draco_the_drake basicly it would come down to creating an NS record in the AD nameserver to point .. say... devdms.local to a different managed nameserver for our users [5/12/2018 11:20 PM] draco_the_drake Then when they create their base account .. they would get .. username.devdms.local [5/12/2018 11:20 PM] draco_the_drake and anything above that can be user created [5/12/2018 11:21 PM] draco_the_drake so they might create a new calendar app .. it could be called calendar.username.devdms.local [5/12/2018 11:21 PM] draco_the_drake mine might be calendar.draco.devdms.local [5/12/2018 11:21 PM] draco_the_drake yours might be calendar.denzuko.devdms.local [5/12/2018 11:22 PM] draco_the_drake but the "calendar" part should be creatable in the users control panel [5/12/2018 11:23 PM] draco_the_drake I think we are talking about two different things here [5/12/2018 11:23 PM] draco_the_drake what I am talking about is shared hosting ... you are talking about docker [5/12/2018 11:23 PM] draco_the_drake they both can co-exist [5/12/2018 11:23 PM] draco_the_drake and have different purposes [5/12/2018 11:25 PM] draco_the_drake The way Virtualmin creates things is that it creates a base user directory .. say denzuko .. under that you have public_html .. and points it to denzuko.devdms.local ... then I can go into a virtualmin control panel and create a sub server .. it would create a new folder under the home directory called domains .. inside would be the subdomain/public_html .. [5/12/2018 11:25 PM] draco_the_drake and that would automaticly point to the subdomain [5/12/2018 11:26 PM] draco_the_drake then I can just upload files or do whatever I wanted inside my home directory [5/12/2018 11:26 PM] draco_the_drake it also keeps the logs and my personal config files in my home directory as well [5/12/2018 11:26 PM] draco_the_drake it is a pretty nice setup for doing shared hosting [5/12/2018 11:27 PM] draco_the_drake but as I said before it is different than docker and I don't think docker can replace the ease at which this can be setup and used [5/12/2018 11:27 PM] draco_the_drake but I could be wrong [5/12/2018 11:33 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org said "I really think we need to go over how the community grid works and get you to start playing around with it" ... I look forward to it [5/12/2018 11:53 PM] draco_the_drake Oh I found out Cloudmin does support Docker containers from the Cloudmin control panel ... not exactly like Cloudmin images .. but apparently they have support, which might be cool .. I don't know [5/13/2018 11:31 AM] clone1018 ?!?!!? [5/13/2018 11:31 AM] clone1018 ``` * @param string $oldPassword The new password * @param string $newPassword The old password``` {Reactions} 😃 [5/13/2018 11:53 AM] draco_the_drake The old is the new new [5/13/2018 11:54 AM] draco_the_drake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2nNzNo_Xps {Embed} Darth Varda https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2nNzNo_Xps Doctor Who - Blink - Big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... ... "People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball o... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/CFygHlIX0vTF0hwa0JywBJ2a3TDRI3rBppiL_2SyBBk/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/q2nNzNo_Xps/hqdefault.jpg [5/15/2018 8:39 AM] jestersforge7494 https://elekk.xyz/@bunnyhero/100028996084450968 {Embed} bunnyhero 🐰🎮 #gameing https://elekk.xyz/@bunnyhero/100028996084450968 bunnyhero 🐰🎮 #gameing on elekk.xyz ocelot arcade system: a homebrew game system that uses VECTOR GRAPHICS 😮😍 WANT http://www.mrdictionary.net/ocelot/ #gameing #gameDev #retro (via https://twitter.com/simoncarless/status/996087375154429952 ) https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Zbah3psk2F9cMsTnbI7CZPPyhy4ON17nJJ0EzDwNwCU/https/elekk.xyz/system/media_attachments/files/000/352/708/original/d77acd40fbb3df87.jpg [5/15/2018 8:39 AM] jestersforge7494 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338001333405876224/445714309603917824/457d47c41fd74052.png {Embed} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338001333405876224/445714309603917824/457d47c41fd74052.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/338001333405876224/445714309603917824/457d47c41fd74052.png?ex=67b8fe4c&is=67b7accc&hm=d6c0a646238f3a547525ee97fcb2c1ab0863261fc9e4d49d79ecb84c50a24b49& [5/15/2018 8:40 AM] jestersforge7494 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338001333405876224/445714385483333633/f0fb295d3e1fe19a.png {Embed} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/338001333405876224/445714385483333633/f0fb295d3e1fe19a.png https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/338001333405876224/445714385483333633/f0fb295d3e1fe19a.png?ex=67b8fe5e&is=67b7acde&hm=84ee63c044bb5aff751e92fd9ab6c188d8ec3928b67a1a118c444c31031895b2& [5/15/2018 10:48 AM] denzuko that is really sweet graphics :) [5/15/2018 5:26 PM] talkers We had some monitors donated that would have worked with this [5/15/2018 8:17 PM] draco_the_drake Here is a graphics demo made with left and right audio signals plugged in to the X and Y on an oscilloscope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1eNjUgaB-g {Embed} tejeez https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1eNjUgaB-g Youscope (oscilloscope demo) SONG: http://koodaa.mine.nu/tvt/youscope-soundtrack.mp3 a demo using an oscilloscope to display something. - third in assembly 2007 shortfilm compo - most or... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qDRsQ5UT6IqVRV48a3DVoLxb562nbCQN22Df0ZfwVks/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/s1eNjUgaB-g/hqdefault.jpg [5/16/2018 2:16 PM] denzuko and I thought quake via an oscilloscope was impressive [5/16/2018 2:16 PM] denzuko how is he doing the text if it's stereo audio for the waveform? [5/16/2018 4:28 PM] clone1018 Ever think you're working on too much at once Dwight [5/16/2018 4:28 PM] clone1018 It's overwhelming from an outside perspective [5/16/2018 9:11 PM] draco_the_drake I know I am at times .... Opencast, Playing with redesigning the Tools Wiki, Calendar Development, Licensing on GitHub .. I'm sure @Denzuko.sdf.org is deep in so much more .. and a job [5/16/2018 9:11 PM] draco_the_drake and his wife! I mean she wants his attention .. not the... never mind [5/17/2018 6:58 AM] denzuko lol.. draco [5/17/2018 7:11 AM] denzuko @LukeStrickland yeah let's just say where I am at in my career and everything.. kind wish I could hire a few interns and able to bank role a crack team for the thinktank that would actually get us to the stars or at least help build the next of the next generation of tech [5/17/2018 8:55 AM] jestersforge7494 do we have access to any more of those monitors? [5/17/2018 9:54 AM] denzuko which monitors? [5/17/2018 9:55 AM] clone1018 I think the ones John was talking about [5/17/2018 9:59 AM] jestersforge7494 for the Ocelot [5/17/2018 1:08 PM] clone1018 To add on to my talk message, I'm totally down for unit testing, docker test instances, production database dumps, etc. But we're not there right now [5/17/2018 1:16 PM] clone1018 Ok I tried [5/17/2018 1:16 PM] clone1018 I'm done for now 😃 [5/17/2018 1:38 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org said he was AWS certified .. so, he would be the one to figure all that part out [5/17/2018 4:49 PM] denzuko yes and that's it's literally what I get paid to do. Setting up these systems and training teams on devops, 12 factor, and cloud/docker. over all we have the ground floor of it and this is all an iterative process of improvement [5/17/2018 4:53 PM] draco_the_drake I will take you out to eat if you setup my read only user on RDS... 😃 [5/17/2018 4:54 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org [5/17/2018 4:56 PM] clone1018 RDS needs to be locked down to only a select few members in my opinion [5/17/2018 4:56 PM] clone1018 As absolutely critical data is stored there [5/17/2018 4:56 PM] draco_the_drake It is ... that is why I can't add myself .. [5/17/2018 4:56 PM] draco_the_drake I;m just wanting one database [5/17/2018 4:56 PM] draco_the_drake read only [5/17/2018 5:02 PM] draco_the_drake Or we can setup something for a one way replication of the data somewhere else that I can get to .. everything that we can get access to that doesn't have private data .. we should be able to in order to help with development .. we need to be working on copies of the real databases .. if not real databases, then ones that have valid fake data in them .. in the case of a feed, it needs to be live [5/18/2018 11:00 AM] clone1018 @Denzuko.sdf.org Still making 0 sense [5/18/2018 11:00 AM] clone1018 You showed me a old commit, and a new commit where you fixed it. [5/18/2018 12:11 PM] denzuko clone1018/calendar/blob/master/src/Model/Behavior/FriendlyTimeBehavior.php [5/18/2018 12:12 PM] denzuko that one is on your fork which does not have phpdoc code added. on the main upstream it does [5/18/2018 12:12 PM] denzuko those phpdoc code is laughable amount of the cause for a lot of the errors popping up [5/18/2018 12:13 PM] denzuko doing a git pull before git push makes sures we're all in sync with the master [5/18/2018 12:15 PM] clone1018 If you do not git pull before pushing, git will stop you..? [5/18/2018 12:55 PM] denzuko nope [5/18/2018 12:56 PM] denzuko it would just treat it as if your pushing a different leaf and still accept [5/18/2018 12:57 PM] denzuko https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19032566/why-do-we-need-to-git-push-first-before-git-pull {Embed} https://stackoverflow.com/questions/19032566/why-do-we-need-to-git-push-first-before-git-pull Why do we need to git push first before git pull? I have both local changes and remote changes. Someone told me I must do push first, then pull. Any reason behind this? https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/dP07hBXxuorGcvXU609uJ_e6ZgPlIdBxqG8OjQQiAyY/%3Fv%3D73d79a89bded/https/cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/stackoverflow/img/apple-touch-icon%402.png [5/18/2018 1:32 PM] clone1018 You try to push without pulling and the remote will not accept it. [5/21/2018 8:14 AM] clone1018 VCC meeting and Infrastructure meeting are scheduled for the same time? [5/21/2018 2:25 PM] denzuko VCC Sync up is not the committee meeting. That's "office hours" with myself onsite. although we may want to push that back to after the infrastructure meeting [5/23/2018 4:05 PM] denzuko yes! there is auto ssl for web and the dashboard on the community grid [5/23/2018 10:04 PM] denzuko @Draco https://pastebin.com/GP5HZ7qE {Embed} https://pastebin.com/GP5HZ7qE portal_traefik.1.92bz1rgqd5ym@motherboard.dms.local | time="201... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/lZwHlcJYEP_-CeL744a7RSWVnhrIifPJgiIcmKkDuJY/https/pastebin.com/i/facebook.png [6/2/2018 8:20 PM] clone1018 @Denzuko.sdf.org how can others use the community grid? [6/3/2018 1:11 AM] denzuko have them attend the next class for the community grid training. for those that already have a login then its up at https://comunitygrid.dallasmakerspace.org/ [6/3/2018 3:27 AM] draco_the_drake I tried signing in tonight and it didn't accept my login [6/3/2018 11:07 AM] clone1018 Jay Johnson is interested [6/6/2018 9:32 AM] denzuko @LukeStrickland lets sync up on this doing office hours tonight. [6/6/2018 9:32 AM] clone1018 Wont be able to sorry [6/6/2018 9:32 AM] clone1018 unless it's really late [6/6/2018 9:32 AM] clone1018 last expansion meeting ends at 9:30 [6/6/2018 9:34 AM] denzuko I can stick around for that [6/6/2018 9:35 AM] clone1018 Ok [6/6/2018 9:35 AM] denzuko There's a lot to get caught up on before the membership meeting anyways so I'll more than likely be at the space until midnight [6/6/2018 9:41 PM] clone1018 guess you left? [6/7/2018 10:46 AM] denzuko sorry, I was crashing at the keyboard so I had to head home before I broke a rule about sleeping at the space [6/8/2018 1:15 AM] draco_the_drake I didn't see you Dwight .. I was there until Midnight .. [6/8/2018 1:16 AM] draco_the_drake oh that was wednsday .. never mind [6/8/2018 1:16 AM] draco_the_drake 😛 [6/15/2018 4:59 PM] denzuko don't know how one should feel about this but my pull request with Microsoft just got accepted {Reactions} 😂 [7/7/2018 3:20 PM] daniel_the_hawn9773 @Denzuko.sdf.org are you coming to the class? [8/12/2018 8:13 PM] themitch22 https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/7243 [8/12/2018 8:14 PM] themitch22 @Denzuko.sdf.org I'm hosting a reddit /r/mechanicalkeyboards subreddit meetup in the interactive classroom [8/12/2018 8:17 PM] denzuko o.o [8/12/2018 8:17 PM] denzuko Oct 20th?! count me in. [8/12/2018 8:17 PM] denzuko do we need anything? [8/12/2018 8:24 PM] themitch22 an interactive classroom that's available, and tables [8/12/2018 8:25 PM] denzuko cool [8/15/2018 3:10 PM] denzuko Committee meeting: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/7269 [8/15/2018 3:38 PM] denzuko DMS now has a dedicated tensorflow and python serverless environment. Check it out at https://tensorflow.communitygrid.dallasmakerspace.org/?token=72d68548c56900f356795fa1d0bfef7e533e1b0cdce33020 [8/15/2018 4:20 PM] denzuko @Draco @here been working on ctf.communitygrid.dallasmakerspace.org lately. It should go live here in the hour or so but I'd love to have you guys come up with a few challenges to post up on there. [8/22/2018 2:44 PM] denzuko https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/grant-opportunity-for-dms/41392 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/grant-opportunity-for-dms/41392 Grant opportunity for DMS Since VCC operates the interactive computer museum. DMS is able to apply for the INSPIRE! Grants for Small Museums. Grants for Small Museums is a special initiative of the Museums for America grant program. It is designed to reduce the burden on small museums and help them a... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/CAnz8Y6i2mvfds1vIIcCALsvev7-YdOAf7vy8mSXebg/https/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/images/default-apple-touch-icon.png [8/24/2018 2:11 PM] denzuko (pinned) Latest Tensorflow access key: 66fbdb888a5dac8774018b84444ca46528098bc798f36096 [8/24/2018 2:11 PM] denzuko @pearce can we pin that one about the access key? [8/24/2018 6:38 PM] canibalcrab Pinned a message. [8/27/2018 9:27 AM] denzuko thanks @pearce [8/27/2018 6:52 PM] denzuko you know, this channel should be vcc but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ what do I know.. not like it was voted on a long time ago [8/28/2018 12:41 PM] denzuko https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/announcement-hackathon-blockchain/41710/2 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/announcement-hackathon-blockchain/41710/2 [Announcement] Hackathon: Blockchain Event has been posted to the callendar: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/7495 When Sat Nov 10 6pm — 6:01pm Where Lecture Hall 1825 Monetary Ln #104 Carrollton, TX 75006 What Bi-Annual hackathon Returns! Ready to hack on the blockchain. Host... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2Szjaz1L3npkw5aTYwmcQ3bUmGt1bsDNXAbmIAwcY-g/http/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/user_avatar/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/denzuko/200/3082_1.png [8/30/2018 4:17 PM] denzuko https://thehackernews.com/2018/02/airgap-computer-hacking.html {Embed} https://thehackernews.com/2018/02/airgap-computer-hacking.html Hackers Can Now Steal Data Even From Faraday Cage Air-Gapped Computers Hackers can use electromagnetic emission from faraday caged and air gapped computers to steal data. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Nurkr_OkgfNSCyJEQoIEOragCkzd2vaQVLH4sEPddg4/https/1.bp.blogspot.com/-bkF71Lg1-0c/WnxOWwHCtXI/AAAAAAAAvvo/_XUcDaXccMcdHjk64iReUZCW7yFH9bwnQCLcBGAs/s728-e100/airgap-computer-hacking.png [8/30/2018 4:17 PM] denzuko yep we've entered the age of epic cracking [8/30/2018 6:49 PM] discophonous Holy geez [8/30/2018 6:51 PM] mizgeek Wow! Nothing is safe! [8/30/2018 6:57 PM] denzuko of course. it's just about mitigating risk with multiple layers of security not all in one [9/1/2018 4:08 PM] talkers Oct 6th is the open house. I am thinking VCC can set up another display in one of the classrooms {Reactions} 👍 [9/1/2018 4:13 PM] talkers We need to have a calendar posted for events like the hackathon and keyboard meet up [9/1/2018 4:14 PM] talkers Get them posted to FB and meetup [9/2/2018 2:17 PM] denzuko Thanks John. That sounds like a great idea. Let's get together this week and plan that out. [9/2/2018 3:41 PM] talkers @Denzuko.sdf.org perfect [9/4/2018 12:15 PM] denzuko https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/committee-space-secured/42128 [9/4/2018 4:18 PM] denzuko heading to the space shortly here for the priorities meeting. anyone coming? [9/6/2018 6:52 PM] denzuko Tensorflow and community grid is back online: https://tensorflow.communitygrid.dallasmakerspace.org/?token=35270f72a91526179ba6a374fef2dff97ae22b0fb460ca76 [9/6/2018 9:36 PM] denzuko looks like I'll have to redeploy the load balancer so letsencrypt can work but one should be able to use the tools at this point [9/8/2018 9:37 PM] denzuko !members [9/8/2018 9:37 PM] dallas-makerspace#4763 There are currently 1943 members. [9/8/2018 9:40 PM] denzuko think we can come up with something cool to help bring in more members? [9/10/2018 4:28 PM] denzuko tensorflow token: f7dfd2c2689804197de099967deaaa13b2f4093eee417264 [9/10/2018 4:30 PM] denzuko we're experimenting with using okta for authentication (ie dms active directory credentials) so the above token is current. if one logs into the community grid dashboard then they'll be able to see the logs and new token if the container running tensorflow ever restarts [9/18/2018 2:07 PM] denzuko just checking in, was there anything going on tonight? [9/29/2018 7:02 PM] denzuko @here could someone substitute for today's class for a bit, all the materials is in the committee area and I'll be arriving shortly. Got delayed by uncontrollable forces [10/13/2018 2:45 PM] themitch22 The Reddit Mechanical Keyboard Meetup is next Saturday, we have 63 people signed up! [10/13/2018 2:46 PM] themitch22 @Hackerspace chair would you like to bring some vintage keyboard and maybe talk about VCC and software developer committee [10/13/2018 8:55 PM] denzuko would love to. I'll keep is short and sweet so we can have room for everyone to join in [10/14/2018 2:08 AM] talkers @themitch22 Mitch, send me the FB event to share on the DMS FB page [10/14/2018 2:08 AM] talkers We can also add it to the blog [10/14/2018 2:10 AM] themitch22 https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/7243 [10/14/2018 2:47 AM] talkers +1 [10/24/2018 5:59 PM] denzuko remember tonight's meeting is at 8pm right after the review board [11/8/2018 9:35 AM] denzuko Great job guys with all the classes! [11/8/2018 9:35 AM] denzuko https://twitter.com/denzuko/status/1060528411733647360 {Embed} Dwight Spencer (@denzuko) https://twitter.com/denzuko/status/1060528411733647360 #dallasmakes excellent individuals. The computing committee @dallasmakers has reached it's Forest round of funding goals. As promised I'll donating $2500 to go for their #STEM program. Twitter {Reactions} 👏 [11/16/2018 9:50 PM] denzuko game on [11/16/2018 9:51 PM] denzuko CTF.dallasmakerspace.org [11/17/2018 7:28 PM] timooni i've always wanted to play ctf [11/17/2018 7:29 PM] timooni the problem is i'm pretty uninitiated [11/17/2018 7:29 PM] timooni i only just got my ccent, but i haven't learned hardly any infosec or pentesting stuff [11/17/2018 7:30 PM] timooni all i know how to do is design and configure small-to-mid-sized branch networks [11/17/2018 7:32 PM] timooni what is this like [11/19/2018 8:59 AM] denzuko @Timooni we usually do a mix of real-life red teaming with a little king of the hill in a few flag finding for further access. Mostly it's focused on getting individual experience but also having fun while doing it too. [11/19/2018 9:00 AM] denzuko so kind of like ... [11/19/2018 9:00 AM] denzuko https://youtu.be/vYNnPx8fZBs {Embed} awcoman https://youtu.be/vYNnPx8fZBs Hacking the Gibson From Hackers (1995), dir. Iain Softley https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/sGwz9cEJbT7WBV87IkSDA6rSKHkZyadexQLCzoDW5IQ/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/vYNnPx8fZBs/hqdefault.jpg [11/19/2018 9:01 AM] denzuko just without the cheese 90's techno babble [11/24/2018 5:44 PM] denzuko https://github.com/psenough/teach_yourself_demoscene_in_14_days {Embed} https://github.com/psenough/teach_yourself_demoscene_in_14_days psenough/teach_yourself_demoscene_in_14_days guidebook idea from http://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=10882&page=1 - psenough/teach_yourself_demoscene_in_14_days https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hNEiTOG_VimF3Euko0ruFLjUk2mh7ycVnjwCoESYoD4/%3Fs%3D400%26v%3D4/https/avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/808571 [11/24/2018 5:45 PM] denzuko Do you guys think we can create something for the holidays or even quakecon? [11/25/2018 11:13 PM] denzuko what do you guys think, should we do February or March for the next CTF? [12/22/2018 7:04 PM] timooni i don't knowww [12/22/2018 7:04 PM] timooni but i was hoping someone could give me some advice or encouragement of some kind [12/22/2018 7:05 PM] timooni i was following a book guide to set up my home networking lab, and i'm not letting my failed studying for the mcsa go to waste, so i was using hyper-v on windows 10 [12/22/2018 7:05 PM] timooni i used to like hyper-v [12/22/2018 7:05 PM] timooni but now i'm thinking it's kinda garbage [12/22/2018 7:05 PM] timooni especially since there are barely any integration with debian [12/22/2018 7:05 PM] timooni it's so slow [12/22/2018 7:06 PM] timooni i have kali, centos, win10, winserv2016, winembed8.1, and raspbian connected to one external virtual switch in hyper-v [12/22/2018 7:07 PM] timooni currently my dns sinkhole server (pihole) is running on the raspbian machine and that's what everyone on my network uses for dns [12/22/2018 7:09 PM] timooni the thing is, i have about had it with this terrible lack of integration / gpu acceleration, low framerate, numpad wacking out, all that jazz, and I kinda want to go back to vmware workstation, but I have this procrastinaty dread because I don't want to set up the drivers for the virtual NICs again and clean up the old ones and reinstall everything / migrate it somehow and yadda yadda [12/22/2018 7:11 PM] timooni anyway, do y'all know if it's even worth it? Is vmware better than hyper-v? Is there some sort of integration software I could install on kali to force it to play nice with hyper-v? I know they have optimized versions specifically for vmware and virtualbox, but not hyper-v... [12/30/2018 7:42 AM] dinkbatt the ctf seems to be down. hmm. i was just in the middle of writing code to clean up the QR ASCII hint in order to use it and follow through with it 😃 welp. [12/30/2018 7:43 AM] dinkbatt "HTTP ERROR 500" at https://ctf.dallasmakerspace.org/index.php?page=login [4/1/2019 3:40 PM] denzuko we may need to pull together and do a hackathon to rewrite the ctf software [4/6/2019 7:25 PM] denzuko https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/maker-science-challenge-alu-via-microfluid/53961 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/maker-science-challenge-alu-via-microfluid/53961 Maker Science Challenge: ALU via Microfluid Microfluidics logic is a new field targeting the development of device-embedded, non-electrical, flow-controlled microsystems. With any system that can do boolean logic the next step is to make it Turing complete. My challenge to you the community and @Team_VCC, @Team_Science... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/P3aUOWwYbD4tpQxbWhEadtNHSMztRcvTCKxyDqcwD2s/https/dms-discourse-static.s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/optimized/3X/8/4/84001e5c937e76037b4edb5fd45e1e3bf601a736_2_593x296.png [4/6/2019 7:26 PM] denzuko Bounty Challenge released, details above. [5/3/2019 12:25 PM] draco_the_drake I just want to remind ya'll that the committee needs to put up an election for this month. [5/13/2019 9:56 AM] denzukoatwork2317 https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/committee-voice-expansion-move/55720 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/committee-voice-expansion-move/55720 Committee Voice - Expansion move We’ve been working with the expansion team and select individuals to get things moved over quickly. However there’s been some talk about a change in location and even in available size. The new spot proposed to the committee is where we currently have the t-shirts and di... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/I4_EedIDX0BjqrznQWWDFVury0feLFBlQTwMKQACnF4/https/dms-discourse-static.s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/f/7/f70cced1563c2e6c3aab1a7cbef3cfba5d1983fe.png [5/15/2019 6:26 PM] doug.emes @denzoku, i will not be able to make it tonight, would you like me to post on talk regarding my proxy being assigned to you, in favor of you? [5/15/2019 6:46 PM] doug.emes https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-elections-5-15/55960 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-elections-5-15/55960 VCC elections 5/15 Please consider the following post to be public notice that I, Doug Emes, a member in good standing, to hereby assign my proxy for the committee voting for VCC to Dwight Spencer @denzuko. I realize he is running for election again, and I support him for trying to bring the c... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/I4_EedIDX0BjqrznQWWDFVury0feLFBlQTwMKQACnF4/https/dms-discourse-static.s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/f/7/f70cced1563c2e6c3aab1a7cbef3cfba5d1983fe.png [5/15/2019 6:46 PM] doug.emes you have my rpooxy tonight [5/16/2019 9:43 AM] denzukoatwork2317 Thanks @doug.emes !! your support for both me and the committee is greatly appreciated. [5/16/2019 9:43 AM] denzukoatwork2317 Hope that you can make it out to the CTF and some of the events we're getting up on the calendar [5/16/2019 10:36 AM] doug.emes You betcha. I'm at a ST micro seminar today, but plan on doing more weekend stuff [5/20/2019 5:38 PM] denzukoatwork2317 just a heads up, we'll needing to relaunch the bbs. Just been incontact with the fidonet guys and they're trying to setup an uplink with us [5/20/2019 5:39 PM] denzukoatwork2317 end goal is one archival of fidonet and two a live network for retro systems to access and communicate with [5/22/2019 2:25 PM] denzukoatwork2317 bbslink has accepted our application [5/22/2019 2:26 PM] denzukoatwork2317 for those that don't know; BBSlink is a free InterBBS games server that allows any SysOp to easily add registered door games to their system. [5/22/2019 2:26 PM] denzukoatwork2317 to elate it to modern social media its; opensocial for bbs boards [5/22/2019 2:27 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/04/09/029220/die-hard-sysops-are-resurrecting-bbss-from-the-1980s {Embed} https://tech.slashdot.org/story/17/04/09/029220/die-hard-sysops-are-resurrecting-bbss-from-the-1980s Die-Hard Sysops Are Resurrecting BBS's From The 1980s - Slashdot Ars Technica reports on vintage computing hobbyists "resurrecting digital communities that were once thought lost to time...some still running on original 8-bit hardware." Sometimes using modern technology like Raspberry Pi and TCPser (which emulates a Hayes modem for Telnet... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0gA2CROWt64yTwwKEI6DANaMnPNOpw5HK8E1bYn_LEE/https/a.fsdn.com/sd/topics/internet_64.png [5/22/2019 2:28 PM] aceat64 I remember using a BBS to see if the library had a book I wanted to borrow [5/22/2019 3:10 PM] doug.emes Legend of the Red Dragon was a classic turn based BBS door game [5/22/2019 3:12 PM] denzukoatwork2317 😄 yep. LORD was the world's first mmo long before muds or runescape [5/22/2019 3:13 PM] denzukoatwork2317 and its still being played [5/22/2019 3:22 PM] denzukoatwork2317 its amazing how well developed ansi art has come in the past twenty years or so [5/22/2019 3:22 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://16colo.rs/pack/blocktronics-67rpm/goo-delia.ans {Embed} https://16colo.rs/pack/blocktronics-67rpm/goo-delia.ans Delia Ann Derbyshire by GOO delia derbyshire, electronic music https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DU0cLj6i5_qFkQ8DVNoWuciP0V7vziHe8hLHFQ34f1k/https/16colo.rs/pack/blocktronics-67rpm/x1/goo-delia.ans.png [5/22/2019 3:24 PM] denzukoatwork2317 and demoscene is still a thing too [5/22/2019 3:24 PM] denzukoatwork2317 http://l1demo.org/ {Embed} http://l1demo.org/ LayerOne Demoparty | Home The LayerOne Demoparty. You bring your demos, we'll bring the magic. [5/23/2019 12:18 AM] mizgeek The BBS days... I have fond memories. In the 80s, I was the Director of Marketing for a national BBS called Odyssey Online. [5/23/2019 1:14 AM] draco_the_drake {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/581002031557378058/demonic-toys.png?ex=67b96b4e&is=67b819ce&hm=fcd9104c873b6c60eca30eabcc10217c6bd5d7a147c632ededed174a30731643& [5/23/2019 1:18 AM] draco_the_drake I think it would be fun to make a Talk <-> Door [5/23/2019 9:01 AM] im_steve Trade wars 2002. So many wasted hours {Reactions} 👌 [5/23/2019 4:06 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @Draco if one can code up a binkp gateway to talk then it can be done just like fidonet does [5/23/2019 4:08 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @MizGeek vaguely remember that board. didn't they run the MajorBBS code base? [5/23/2019 4:10 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @I'm_Steve that's next on the list to get setup following that is LORD [5/23/2019 4:11 PM] denzukoatwork2317 oh if you guys are wanting to poke around or signup go visit https://bbs.dapla.net or telnet://bbs.dapla.net [5/24/2019 1:13 PM] mizgeek @denzuko-at-work It’s been a few decades... I’m not sure if it was Major BBS or Wildcat. I do remember it was heavily modded. It was a huge BBS, we were on Sally Rafael, Good Morning America, Donahue among others. We did a huge meetup in Vegas one year plus weekly ones in Los Angeles . It was a great ride until the IRS seized it because the owner bought cocaine rather than forward withholded taxes. 😮 [5/24/2019 8:41 PM] draco_the_drake I'd like to see it be one of the original dos based BBSes if we are going to run one [5/24/2019 8:42 PM] draco_the_drake There are ways to have multiple telnet connections to different instances [5/24/2019 8:42 PM] draco_the_drake perhaps we can write a script to launch one on connect .. or have a pool of them [5/29/2019 5:27 PM] denzukoatwork2317 if we're talking dos boards then one just needs a fossil driver that supports telnet then setup each virtual com port as a seperate line. [5/29/2019 5:28 PM] denzukoatwork2317 most modern boards (mystic, syncronet, wwvii, etc..) already support something like this built in though so its a bit redundant. [5/29/2019 5:32 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @MizGeek if your interested or know anyone that's up for it we could use a few more sysops on xm core [5/29/2019 5:45 PM] mizgeek It’s been over 30 years since I was worked for the BBS... I did simple stuff so the programmers could get a break. I was more of the Novell person besides Director of Marketing. Gods... Novell... that was a long time ago. [5/29/2019 5:54 PM] denzukoatwork2317 don't remind me.. my first network card was for a ibm ps/2 and pc clone (3Com EtherLink III and some ibm fru from the discount bin) [5/29/2019 5:55 PM] denzukoatwork2317 getting netware to work with those was a pain for someone trying to learn pcs and it by hand [5/29/2019 5:56 PM] mizgeek I built all my PCs back then... now I’m primarily Mac though forced to do family/ friend tech support on PCs. My PC laptop has needed to go in for warranty repair for 8 months... I didn’t miss it... btw I better do that soon. [5/29/2019 5:58 PM] denzukoatwork2317 might be a good idea, never know when a grue will pop up behind you [5/29/2019 6:18 PM] denzukoatwork2317 committee meetup: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-committee-meeting-6-19/56747 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-committee-meeting-6-19/56747 VCC Committee Meeting 6/19 @Team_VCC Assemble. Our committee meeting is coming up for June. https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Computer_Committee_Meeting_20190619 Sig leaders best have your updates ready so we know which of you is active and can get you guys promoted in the next newsletter issue. Cur... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/I4_EedIDX0BjqrznQWWDFVury0feLFBlQTwMKQACnF4/https/dms-discourse-static.s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/f/7/f70cced1563c2e6c3aab1a7cbef3cfba5d1983fe.png [5/29/2019 6:18 PM] denzukoatwork2317 time to get to office hours. [5/29/2019 9:10 PM] mizgeek Who says I’m not the grue? 😎 [5/30/2019 12:25 AM] doug.emes But that is why you prayed in zork! [5/30/2019 2:36 PM] lavarocks. @denzuko-at-work Dwight- we are doing a flooring install for ca in the common room this weekend. . [5/30/2019 2:37 PM] lavarocks. Do you have a current expansion area? [5/30/2019 3:03 PM] mizgeek @denzuko-at-work You were correct. It was Major BBS. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/583747410631852043/image0.png?ex=67b8dc24&is=67b78aa4&hm=27a373bf407b426edbd5b2b7e180f8b401b8bb1056580243db3e24a5dfb34b2e& {Reactions} 👌🏼 [5/30/2019 4:39 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @Lavarocks we'll be packed up and ready to roll. What time are you guys getting started? [5/30/2019 5:05 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @MizGeek saw your login to the board, thanks for signing up. I promoted you to a sysop on there. [5/30/2019 5:08 PM] denzukoatwork2317 There's a few nooks and crannies which help admin the board, the pbx and vm so do be careful. With great power comes greater responsibilities. [5/30/2019 5:29 PM] lavarocks. We are starting at 10am but have some leeway [5/30/2019 7:02 PM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org ... What is the docker host for the swarm? I'm wanting to test out commands like ``docker service create`` [5/30/2019 7:04 PM] draco_the_drake Is there a single host for connecting to the swarm? [5/30/2019 7:04 PM] draco_the_drake with the cli [5/30/2019 7:05 PM] draco_the_drake I need a test bed to bring up services and stacks and take them down [5/30/2019 7:05 PM] draco_the_drake via the cli [5/30/2019 7:41 PM] draco_the_drake I guess I'm asking what are the manager node ip addreses [5/31/2019 1:24 AM] mizgeek “with great power comes greater responsibility” Gods, do I know that... My MizGeek handle does make me identifiable. 😎 I was pleased to be able to logon with my cell phone, too. Let me know what I can do/learn to do to help. [5/31/2019 1:02 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @Draco your correct, there are two managers currently killbill.dms.local and motherboard.dms.local. rackymcrackface.dms.local will also run as a manager once infrastructure is ready to donate the spare 1u server. [5/31/2019 1:05 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @MizGeek I'll send you an invite to the trello board and project tracker this weekend. The biggest thing we're needing is cleaning up the menus and installing the ansi art based ones we acquired from ansigarden as a new theme. After that its setting up FSX, Agoranet, and doing upgrades to the latest version. [5/31/2019 1:05 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Other than that, usual moderation of topics [5/31/2019 1:06 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @here Working on setting up a VCC ran show for the DMS Maker Radio. We're needing your input to give a voice to Racky McRackface [5/31/2019 1:09 PM] mizgeek My father used to say I gave good phone. -laugh- Seriously... if needed, I do have a voice. [5/31/2019 1:10 PM] mizgeek When I was young, I wanted to be a dj... /ramble off [5/31/2019 3:24 PM] denzukoatwork2317 well.. now we're needing djs for the dms maker radio. There's ton of open slots so if your wanting to broadcast just let me know what dates and times. One could even use the equipment and obs system here at the space or just post the mp3 files in the vcc committee drive [6/1/2019 3:28 PM] mizgeek What is the format? Talk shows? Street interviews? Maker music? Talking is easy. Content is the hard stuff. [6/4/2019 8:07 AM] denzukoatwork2317 all the above, or neither.. Think of this as the free open hour at the community public radio. Anyone can play what they want, so long as the audience enjoys it and its focused on maker/art/tech [6/6/2019 1:54 PM] doug.emes Tanners has some IBM PC jr's [6/6/2019 4:47 PM] talkers @doug.emes are they finally upgrading their registers? [6/6/2019 6:09 PM] ruiner.eth ayy lmao [6/6/2019 6:09 PM] ruiner.eth yeah, I put a post up about that. seem like a great deal, might get one for myself [6/6/2019 6:09 PM] ruiner.eth that black mirror netflix movie got me a little hype, I've been writing a text adventure for a little while now. [6/7/2019 2:13 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @RUINER got your IF published anywheres? [6/8/2019 3:02 AM] ruiner.eth not yet, no [6/8/2019 3:02 AM] ruiner.eth but I'll share when its ready! [6/10/2019 9:28 AM] denzukoatwork2317 perfect! I'd love a go at it and if your up for it we could have it ran live in the museum for others to play test [6/18/2019 1:30 PM] ruiner.eth cool, that would be an honor [6/18/2019 2:04 PM] ruiner.eth I'm also (and this is probably a bad idea) thinking of a telnet based MUD like Guncho [6/18/2019 2:05 PM] ruiner.eth that may be more VCC than a modern IF [6/18/2019 2:24 PM] denzukoatwork2317 both fit honestly. heck world of warcraft pass the retro test [6/18/2019 2:25 PM] denzukoatwork2317 ok just barely. November 23, 2004 [6/18/2019 2:26 PM] denzukoatwork2317 so only three more years and it fits [6/18/2019 5:28 PM] denzukoatwork2317 anyone @here been on fidonet? [6/18/2019 5:33 PM] aceat64 Please don't use here and everyone tags, it tags the entire server [6/18/2019 5:33 PM] denzukoatwork2317 eekk sorry [6/18/2019 5:33 PM] denzukoatwork2317 thought it was just the channel [6/18/2019 5:40 PM] canibalcrab Usually. But everyone in the server has access to the channel so it's effectively the same. In the future I want to have joinable committee roles so you could have tagged @vcc and then it would only be the people interested in getting notifications about this committee [6/18/2019 6:08 PM] denzukoatwork2317 good to know [6/19/2019 12:47 PM] denzukoatwork2317 here's a concept that works.. what if bash could (with one line) execute code on another machine? [6/19/2019 12:48 PM] denzukoatwork2317 ``` #localhost!sh$ echo "Hello World"$ ``` $ uux localhost!test.sh [6/19/2019 12:48 PM] denzukoatwork2317 As an example, the following command makes UUCP copy the file test.sh to localhost then execute it [6/19/2019 12:51 PM] denzukoatwork2317 SYSV5 Unix did things like this before anyone had ssh, rlogin(which was another part of uucp along with rmail/rnews/rexec), or tcp/ip [6/19/2019 12:52 PM] denzukoatwork2317 amazingly uucp was transmission layer agnostic so one can still do it over ${x} protocol [6/19/2019 12:52 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://www.bortzmeyer.org/uucp-over-ssh.html [6/19/2019 12:53 PM] denzukoatwork2317 now there's a thought for one's next ardunio/rpi project. control it over uucp 😉 [6/19/2019 12:54 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/4019/31a863dde2f9b4e9dfab8cff651209008b9e.pdf [6/19/2019 12:55 PM] draco_the_drake https://superuser.com/questions/1222996/remote-execution-of-a-shell-script-that-takes-a-local-file-as-an-input-parameter {Embed} https://superuser.com/questions/1222996/remote-execution-of-a-shell-script-that-takes-a-local-file-as-an-input-parameter Remote Execution of a Shell Script that Takes a Local File as an I... Using Linux, bash, and OpenSSH, I can execute a shell script on a remote host in at least three ways: # Method 1: Script is never stored on the remote host ssh @ 'b... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/N4dCvbCaCBWT_sESkNTH2lx3-EhkV9eCrYJflXNw2Ds/%3Fv%3De869e4459439/https/cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/superuser/img/apple-touch-icon%402.png [6/19/2019 12:55 PM] denzukoatwork2317 oh and mystery of the she-bang solved. its a uucp path minus the hostname [6/19/2019 12:58 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @Draco yep and its very ssh centric. if one wanted that then.. `pip install ansible; ansible -c 'uptime && rm -rf /var/log $RHOST'` [6/19/2019 1:01 PM] denzukoatwork2317 not saying either is better or worse just that some systems don't need a tcp/ip stack and that's where uucp works best; being an agnostic way to transfer files/data and execute programs [6/19/2019 1:03 PM] denzukoatwork2317 heck, since uucp can do stdio unix pipes as its transport medium then one can use mqtt, http/webdav, openssl or unix domain sockets [6/19/2019 1:03 PM] denzukoatwork2317 bet one couldn't say that about ssh? [6/24/2019 6:56 PM] denzukoatwork2317 X-Post /c/Electronics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z71h9XZbAWY {Embed} Megaprocessor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z71h9XZbAWY Megaprocessor Tour 1 - (fixed audio) I've finished building and testing the Megaprocessor. Here is a short tour showing what it's made of. (There was an error in the audio settings for the first... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4az94W9txy0eFk_smSYOHxVsToHC0t3gzCj5ympGtwE/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/z71h9XZbAWY/maxresdefault.jpg [6/25/2019 9:12 AM] kenpurcell I'm sure the wife loves that taking up the livingroom. 😉 I love it! I saw this several years ago but thanks for reminding us. {Reactions} 😃 [6/25/2019 6:10 PM] denzukoatwork2317 bunny more than likely would like it then wonder what one could do with it.. lol 😃 [6/25/2019 6:11 PM] denzukoatwork2317 but anywho, I challenge you guys @vcc to try and find the hidden menus on xmcore (bbs.dapla.net) [6/25/2019 6:11 PM] denzukoatwork2317 great way to score some extra points before the ctf or have fun in general [6/26/2019 10:42 AM] denzukoatwork2317 Ok other than say qbasic, turbo pascal, turbo c, and L.O.R.D. what other software would we want to see from the DOS era? [6/26/2019 7:02 PM] doug.emes Hmmm, star control? Actually, how about wendel Hickens's SCORCHED EARTH [6/27/2019 9:38 AM] denzukoatwork2317 Scorched earth!? yes! I remember getting a copy of that from one Amondo r. the security guard for the apartments I was living in doing the mid 90's. He was a complete computer geek and kind of like our Stan in personality. Think I still have a copy in my library. [6/27/2019 9:40 AM] denzukoatwork2317 as for star control... looks like we can get 1-3 for about 30.68. [6/27/2019 9:40 AM] denzukoatwork2317 if someone puts up a class for vcc I'll go order a copy of star control [6/27/2019 10:24 AM] denzukoatwork2317 @MizGeek mind if I ask a favor? [6/27/2019 10:25 AM] denzukoatwork2317 Since I'm updating a few menus on the bbs and your an sysop there. Could you go though and try out things then let me know how easy it is to navigate or if there's any areas we need to fix [6/27/2019 12:11 PM] doug.emes I own star controls on good ole games [6/27/2019 12:11 PM] doug.emes Also have original CD roms for most of then [6/27/2019 12:11 PM] doug.emes Them [6/27/2019 1:10 PM] mizgeek @denzuko-at-work This week I'm in the hell we call A-kon. Wayne does the lighting for one of the biggest anime conventions. Been doing it for 20 years. It's chaos and a lot of work. I run errands and control access badges for the lighting crew. This is the first time it has been at Fair Park. Tonight when I get back to hotel, I will try otherwise tomorrow night. 🙂 [6/27/2019 1:11 PM] mizgeek At least we have decent WiFi at the hotel. [6/27/2019 1:47 PM] denzukoatwork2317 yeah, I meant when one gets some free time. Would love to hear what you find and more about a-kon too when you get done with all of that [7/1/2019 7:49 AM] dinkbatt hey what was the project for quakecon again? it was a raspberry pi cluster? running doom? is that multiplayer? what will the display screens look like? [7/1/2019 2:30 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @SackOvRats (Brenly) for the quakecon project we'd need to come together as a committee to wrap that up, lots of 3d printing to do. As for display screens are we talking for the quakecon event or the ansi art project? [7/1/2019 2:30 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/quakecon-2019-year-of-doom-and-docker-containers/55769/7?u=denzuko {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/quakecon-2019-year-of-doom-and-docker-containers/55769/7?u=denzuko QuakeCon 2019 - Year of Doom and Docker containers?! Found a few extra resources for this project: Software side Zandronum Zandronum brings classic Doom into the 21st century, maintaining the essence of what has made Doom great for so many years and, at the same time, adding … Hardware side of things [7/3/2019 6:25 AM] dinkbatt I am still not fully clear on what the project is after reading that thread. i'm ~starting to get it but it is still a tiny bit abstract. so the monitor for this doom case project will show a game of DOOM being played but each demon will instead be the names of each pi in the cluster? at that rate, wouldn't it be more appropriate to print the pi cluster cases with more style than just a box? especially if it is going to be in a clear shell Can you send me the 3d file? what would each raspberry pi do? Just sit there holding a network identify? i think it'd be cooler if the raspberry pis were ~doing something and then were forced to stop doing the thing when they were terminated. i've alreay got a few ideas for that [7/3/2019 9:13 AM] denzukoatwork2317 > i've already got a few ideas for that Like what? [7/3/2019 1:15 PM] denzukoatwork2317 ok guys, https://dms-2019-ctf.herokuapp.com [7/3/2019 1:15 PM] denzukoatwork2317 pwn it 😉 [7/3/2019 1:34 PM] denzukoatwork2317 oh, rules. no DoS-ing, no launching attacks on other sites from this one, and if one changes the site then plant your team flag on the site to prove the clam [7/3/2019 2:25 PM] draco_the_drake @denzuko-at-work ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsS0E4G310Y {Embed} LGR https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsS0E4G310Y WiFi232 Wireless Modem: BBS Fun on Retro PCs! Ever wanted an easy way to get classic computers onto a Telnet BBS using a wi-fi network? This board by Paul Rickards lets you do just that on a wide variety... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Jg6te4i_WWPuLnTWSfNpVce_R2PIASwuzl5zlAjQ5f8/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/fsS0E4G310Y/maxresdefault.jpg {Reactions} 💯 [7/3/2019 2:52 PM] denzukoatwork2317 the fact that they're actually using an esp8266 for that is quite cool. I wonder if we can make a userport version [7/3/2019 2:53 PM] denzukoatwork2317 yes.. we can [7/3/2019 2:53 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://1200baud.wordpress.com/2017/03/04/build-your-own-9600-baud-c64-wifi-modem-for-20/ {Embed} admin https://1200baud.wordpress.com/2017/03/04/build-your-own-9600-baud-c64-wifi-modem-for-20/ Build your own 9600 Baud C64 WiFi Modem For $10 To start, I’d like to say a huge thanks to Eightbitswide, xxValiumxx, and Paul Rickards for their extremely helpful contributions to this cause! The esp8266 WiFi Modem design has been really … https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/LH3wgGSarGy2QaKI-gzotYxLZFJsZD4s6Izi4cLJx0o/https/s0.wp.com/i/blank.jpg [7/3/2019 2:54 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://1200baud.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/strikelink-wifi-instructions.pdf [7/3/2019 2:54 PM] denzukoatwork2317 gerber files: http://www.mediafire.com/file/easzos3ma4cjdum/strikelink_wifi_gerber_files.zip {Embed} http://www.mediafire.com/file/easzos3ma4cjdum/strikelink_wifi_gerber_files.zip strikelink wifi gerber files https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/VZdtvSGyxGRawzWKd1kcjE1gxWu75bKkzxios6aPra0/https/static.mediafire.com/images/filetype/download/zip.jpg [7/3/2019 3:00 PM] draco_the_drake Or you can just get a RS-232 user port adapter [7/3/2019 3:00 PM] draco_the_drake https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/RS-232 {Embed} https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/RS-232 RS-232 [7/3/2019 3:02 PM] denzukoatwork2317 yeah, GLINK is rather good for that one [7/3/2019 3:02 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://gglabs.us/node/2018 {Reactions} 👍 [7/3/2019 3:03 PM] draco_the_drake https://irata.online/ [7/3/2019 3:04 PM] denzukoatwork2317 I actually do have GLINKUSB-LT saved in my cart for later so we can hook up the c128 to the mame terminal after its racked up in racky mcrackface [7/3/2019 3:05 PM] denzukoatwork2317 something about that sentence seems potentially cringe worthy. [7/3/2019 3:07 PM] draco_the_drake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmRMXSdsF-8 {Embed} tschak909 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmRMXSdsF-8 IRATA.ONLINE - Getting Started with PLATOTerm on Commodore 64 This video will take you through the basic steps of getting started with PLATOTerm, starting with loading it onto your Commodore 64, and subsequently using y... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/UGUqcGomGrTfESP_nTvAE0jv8OZhZu6O219gUxUMJPc/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/rmRMXSdsF-8/maxresdefault.jpg [7/3/2019 3:19 PM] draco_the_drake I wonder if anyone has attempted anything to emulate ANSI for the C64 [7/3/2019 3:19 PM] draco_the_drake in color [7/3/2019 3:20 PM] draco_the_drake even if larger than normal [7/3/2019 3:20 PM] draco_the_drake might be interesting to change the charset to an IBM look-a-like [7/3/2019 3:20 PM] draco_the_drake and try it [7/3/2019 3:20 PM] draco_the_drake you could scroll back and forth [7/3/2019 3:20 PM] draco_the_drake to see the entire pic [7/3/2019 3:21 PM] denzukoatwork2317 attempted to back in the 90's it doesn't work too well, one has to send over petscii instead but there might have been better attempts since then [7/3/2019 3:21 PM] draco_the_drake Well, IBM PCs have a 40 column char set [7/3/2019 3:22 PM] draco_the_drake I wonder if it could be ported over [7/3/2019 3:23 PM] draco_the_drake The colors would be off [7/3/2019 3:23 PM] draco_the_drake but perhaps some sort of compromise [7/3/2019 3:23 PM] denzukoatwork2317 true and would be interesting to see it done [7/3/2019 3:23 PM] denzukoatwork2317 oh and looks like there's a few other PLATO systems out there too: https://www.cyber1.org/ [7/3/2019 3:23 PM] draco_the_drake interesting [7/3/2019 3:26 PM] denzukoatwork2317 I've added irata.online to the doors menu on xmcore and later I'll add this one too under a PLATO menu [7/3/2019 3:26 PM] denzukoatwork2317 wow [7/3/2019 3:26 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://www.engadget.com/2013/08/17/the-game-archaeologist-the-plato-mmos-part-2/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKeUpySVvYHBBZpHhstjs8U_foQIXX2IVlrF2toRG8g5glomJRMyciZxZSV8G4gzT8ZOLQu1MibBIqHa1XdB_9J_Pq3c-I5GKuJ90YoXPlXptIzz-lP00BoK6WskuhTZN4efTIjv5-Ju_8yFJrceQb-tdqRj856w4Ts66lXs39gL {Embed} https://www.engadget.com/2013/08/17/the-game-archaeologist-the-plato-mmos-part-2/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKeUpySVvYHBBZpHhstjs8U_foQIXX2IVlrF2toRG8g5glomJRMyciZxZSV8G4gzT8ZOLQu1MibBIqHa1XdB_9J_Pq3c-I5GKuJ90YoXPlXptIzz-lP00BoK6WskuhTZN4efTIjv5-Ju_8yFJrceQb-tdqRj856w4Ts66lXs39gL The Game Archaeologist: The PLATO MMOs, part 2 In our last installment looking at PLATO, the educational computer network that linked a thousand terminals across the US together, I don't think I stressed en... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FzmkvfXzPyYnLTWdwKtisd3UNI54zvFl2C50M6N3Iwk/%3Fthumbnail%3D1200%252C630%26quality%3D80%26image_uri%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.blogcdn.com%252Fmassively.joystiq.com%252Fmedia%252F2013%252F08%252Fplato1.jpg%26client%3Damp-blogside-v2%26signature%3D7af46e13c2876be25a2a92fdf557682a8a91b2f6/https/o.aolcdn.com/images/dims [7/3/2019 3:26 PM] denzukoatwork2317 plato had MMOS? [7/3/2019 3:27 PM] denzukoatwork2317 sorry MUDs [7/3/2019 3:27 PM] draco_the_drake Do you remember Roboterm? [7/3/2019 3:27 PM] denzukoatwork2317 vaguely [7/3/2019 3:28 PM] draco_the_drake https://web.archive.org/web/20070405123756/http://www.deepmetrix.com/about_us/our_history/roboboard/ {Embed} https://web.archive.org/web/20070405123756/http:/www.deepmetrix.com/about_us/our_history/roboboard/ DeepMetrix Corporation: History Web site analysis and log analysis solutions from DeepMetrix Corporation, a trusted leader in web analytics for over 8 years. [7/3/2019 3:29 PM] draco_the_drake another for the amiga https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skypix {Embed} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skypix Skypix Skypix is the name of a markup language used to encode graphics content such as changeable fonts, mouse-controlled actions, animations and sound to bulletin board system. The system was written by Michael Cox on the Amiga in 1987, and first hosted on the Atredes BBS system, w... [7/3/2019 3:30 PM] draco_the_drake It was like the evolution to the web [7/3/2019 3:30 PM] draco_the_drake just starting [7/3/2019 3:31 PM] denzukoatwork2317 wasn't that like RIP? [7/3/2019 3:35 PM] draco_the_drake I think that is another one [7/3/2019 3:35 PM] draco_the_drake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Imaging_Protocol {Embed} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_Imaging_Protocol Remote Imaging Protocol The Remote Imaging Protocol and its associated Remote Imaging Protocol Scripting Language, RIPscrip, is a scripting language that provides a system for sending vector graphics over low-bandwidth links, notably modems. It was originally created by Jeff Reeder, Jim Bergman, an... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/8CuMAe0tS8355luDzGHdUJD8Cs9jRl9Rfob1GfCsPBM/https/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/HOUND.RIP.png [7/3/2019 3:36 PM] draco_the_drake Do you remember LoadStar? [7/3/2019 3:36 PM] draco_the_drake That was a magazine on a disk [7/3/2019 3:37 PM] denzukoatwork2317 nah I didn't know about that one [7/3/2019 3:37 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loadstar_(magazine) {Embed} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loadstar_(magazine) Loadstar (magazine) Loadstar (ISSN 0886-4144) was a disk magazine for the Commodore 64 computer, published starting in 1984 and ceasing publication in 2007 with its unreleased (until 2010) 250th issue. It derived its name from the command commonly used to execute commercial software from a Commo... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MjBvfNcBt2xjmZwVjr1FMFQcaOkUN1zMiSQazMRCjJk/https/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/26/Loadstar-53.jpg [7/3/2019 3:38 PM] denzukoatwork2317 didn't read a lot of the zines back in the day other than 2600 or binrev [7/3/2019 3:39 PM] denzukoatwork2317 there was a local sig that had thier one computer zine that was in nearly every shop back in denver though that I would go out of my way to try and track down [7/3/2019 3:42 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Think it was, Rocky Mountain Amiga User's Group (RMAU) [7/3/2019 3:44 PM] denzukoatwork2317 might also been http://www.rmiug.org [7/3/2019 3:45 PM] denzukoatwork2317 but I doubt it the zine went out of publication some time in the late 90's to early y2k's [7/3/2019 5:49 PM] doug.emes I remember RIP on the bbs's, had a friend who wrote some.commercial game using it. [7/3/2019 5:54 PM] draco_the_drake https://archive.org/search.php?query=loadstar [7/3/2019 5:55 PM] draco_the_drake https://archive.org/details/loadstar_disk {Embed} https://archive.org/details/loadstar_disk Loadstar Disk Images : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Inte... Disk images of every Loadstar issue, including the unofficial issue 250. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/7J7mC094klGPpNeHGGx1Q9Siyq6wRRLDZpk2sAlzXlg/https/archive.org/services/img/loadstar_disk [7/12/2019 4:41 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://blog.codybunch.com/page2/ [7/12/2019 4:41 PM] denzukoatwork2317 great write up on how to use the communitygrid stack for mining setups [7/16/2019 8:38 AM] denzukoatwork2317 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMZrUPBt-7M {Embed} Peter Ommes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMZrUPBt-7M Arduino smart phone clicker - Quick tutorial How to use an Arduino to simulate taps on your smartphone screen? This is a quick follow-up to the comparison video about the Lego-clicker and the Arduino-ba... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/m9Wrcsvz0of9SG9o97HyHDqA2wZDuFc894w8pr2SQDk/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/XMZrUPBt-7M/hqdefault.jpg [7/17/2019 10:08 AM] draco_the_drake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkUwT9U1GzA {Embed} Bisqwit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkUwT9U1GzA I wrote an OpenGL first-person demo for DOS (256 colors, dithering... In this tool-assisted education video I create a simple FPS style walking and jumping scene for OpenGL, with DJGPP, in DOS. In a 256 colors 320x200 VGA mode.... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5ETMClsFD648smetSUCPIg852gLCdbvFffV7CFTG0aw/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/vkUwT9U1GzA/maxresdefault.jpg [7/17/2019 2:32 PM] denzukoatwork2317 nice. Love his videos on game cracking [7/19/2019 1:13 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Github is getting its own version of IFTTT and CICD [7/19/2019 1:13 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://www.infoworld.com/article/3313115/github-actions-to-let-developers-do-cicd-in-github.html {Embed} https://www.infoworld.com/article/3313115/github-actions-to-let-developers-do-cicd-in-github.html GitHub Actions to let developers do CI/CD in GitHub Beta workflow tool supports cloud deployments, code containers https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/s0tvZxXxWhXm3QUfzJcMv4O0_Y8QMDKvdxyjOYl603E/https/images.idgesg.net/images/article/2018/08/teamwork_code_review_developers_programmers_conversation_gesturing_by_nesa_by_makers_cc0_via_unsplash_1200x800-100768010-large.3x2.jpg [7/19/2019 5:28 PM] denzukoatwork2317 See you guys at Tomorrow's CTF [7/19/2019 5:28 PM] denzukoatwork2317 got to rush home and fix a finish up the presentation [7/24/2019 8:41 PM] denzuko Guys, i"m butting my head up on an issue. How the hell does one create a bin (cd binary) file for authoring a disk from contents with a folder? [7/24/2019 8:41 PM] denzuko and *no* I don't mean ISO. There's a custom cue file that I'm trying to use to master this disc [7/25/2019 12:29 AM] mizgeek Ten years ago I could have answered that. I can’t even remember the software I used. [7/25/2019 8:18 AM] denzukoatwork2317 lol. that's the issue at hand. all the documentation for cue files still lives. But for creating the bin file; well not even archive.org has that [7/25/2019 12:58 PM] mizgeek 😱 Wayback has everything! [7/25/2019 2:05 PM] denzukoatwork2317 oh.. no they don't. if robots.txt blocked crawlers then good luck. I can't even find any of the old articles/releases from http://phreak.org/ {Embed} http://phreak.org/ Digital Information Society Digital Information Society [7/25/2019 2:06 PM] denzukoatwork2317 but damn.. do they have a cool museum: http://phreak.org/0x02/ [7/25/2019 10:59 PM] denzuko https://photos.app.goo.gl/qN7EViUHkVWui4dp8 {Embed} https://photos.app.goo.gl/qN7EViUHkVWui4dp8 New video by Dwight A. Spencer https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/WiBdMx-ttNfn0ElmJDSDL4P0i09E3K0gNG5b9ad5vvA/https/lh3.googleusercontent.com/ik0V2QqYQPjNT0bs40gTHkhggNzIdj-vs1hsBfKmOvLhZMsCIDQDUQDeNYzb_5CcN7OAdNmomVtdj1-EJS7sC9LILaxeJxFlPS10g6O0fB87xvj5vWrz8ccRFm7ylHsoz3w5MYV7tw%3Dw600-h315-p-k-no [7/25/2019 10:59 PM] denzuko Halpss pls.. oh great pc master race fellows. It wont boot? [7/25/2019 11:04 PM] mizgeek Oh noes!!! [7/25/2019 11:05 PM] mizgeek (Bless you for the distraction as I sit in this hospital waiting for a baby to arrive.) #grandbabywait2019 [7/25/2019 11:12 PM] denzuko Congratulations @MizGeek [7/25/2019 11:15 PM] denzuko Pulled the video and ram.. no luck :/ {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/604164809168257025/JPEG_20190725_231425.jpg?ex=67b94f53&is=67b7fdd3&hm=80052124b01683e418ba406825df48793441361532f4db8290e92b5aa16f8365& [7/25/2019 11:15 PM] mizgeek That is my go to solution. Ugh [7/25/2019 11:23 PM] denzuko next up cycling the cmos [7/25/2019 11:25 PM] denzuko {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/604167339835129857/JPEG_20190725_232506.jpg?ex=67b951ae&is=67b8002e&hm=55140251e9ef0fea8bd444a62bfa8309d0e313084979ad15e1b84bdfcc730a58& [7/25/2019 11:25 PM] denzuko Battery looks a little warn down [7/25/2019 11:26 PM] mizgeek Which parts aren’t new? [7/25/2019 11:26 PM] denzuko Motherboard, case , cpu [7/25/2019 11:29 PM] denzuko tomshardware hints at 15 min wait for cycling the cmos, tried 2 Going to try again and wait longer [7/25/2019 11:29 PM] denzuko : sigh : [7/25/2019 11:30 PM] denzuko Guess we're both waiting for new family members to be born ;) [7/25/2019 11:32 PM] denzuko Time to make a trip to Walmart [7/25/2019 11:35 PM] mizgeek Yours will e more fun sooner 😝 [7/25/2019 11:35 PM] mizgeek Will *be more [7/25/2019 11:55 PM] denzuko New battery installed {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/604175015142752257/JPEG_20190725_235522.jpg?ex=67b958d4&is=67b80754&hm=c8b70ffba081ce2dd63a64f46da21e502c23c6594d3c6b8f92f5d10a58abe84c& [7/25/2019 11:56 PM] mizgeek Is it happier? [7/25/2019 11:56 PM] denzuko Nope :( [7/25/2019 11:56 PM] mizgeek Crap [7/25/2019 11:57 PM] mizgeek Do you have a working computer to swap parts into? [7/25/2019 11:58 PM] denzuko Not this newer or desktop. Mostly have servers, soc, and mobile/tablets /laptops [7/25/2019 11:59 PM] mizgeek Bleh [7/26/2019 12:01 AM] denzuko other than the CPU and mobo it's all factory sealed new parts so im suspecting the board or cpu [7/26/2019 12:02 AM] mizgeek Factory sealed new has failed me before. I distrust them all. Especially if it came from Frye’s [7/26/2019 12:05 AM] denzuko Yeah had a few returns in the day [7/26/2019 12:05 AM] mizgeek When I lived in Southern California, I had friends that worked for hardware companies. If they had batches where a lot were failing QA, they would just sell discounted to Frye’s. -shudder- [7/26/2019 12:09 AM] denzuko Good thing I don't shop at frys for anything major then [7/26/2019 12:09 AM] denzuko https://forums.tomshardware.com/faq/no-post-system-wont-boot-and-no-video-output-troubleshooting-checklist.1575220/ {Embed} https://forums.tomshardware.com/faq/no-post-system-wont-boot-and-no-video-output-troubleshooting-checklist.1575220/ "No POST", "system won't boot", and "no video output" troubleshoot... "No POST", "system won't boot", and "no video output" troubleshooting checklist This checklist is a compilation of troubleshooting ideas from many forum members. It's very important to actually perform every step in the checklist if you want to effectively troubleshoot your... [7/26/2019 12:10 AM] denzuko All check.. going to try without the ram [7/26/2019 12:10 AM] mizgeek -crosses fingers- [7/26/2019 12:11 AM] mizgeek I love how number one is READ THE MANUAL. Give a tech writer a job! [7/26/2019 12:11 AM] denzuko me too [7/26/2019 12:12 AM] mizgeek That is an awesome checklist [7/26/2019 12:12 AM] denzuko Yeah way better then the a+ certification checklists [7/26/2019 12:14 AM] denzuko Guess what just popped out [7/26/2019 12:15 AM] mizgeek Ram? [7/26/2019 12:15 AM] mizgeek Plug? [7/26/2019 12:15 AM] denzuko {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/604180032889290780/JPEG_20190726_001520.jpg?ex=67b95d80&is=67b80c00&hm=192596636eb24f1b694df20797e0d1b311d0c42120cd6ea6b98f1dc6b14ea20d& [7/26/2019 12:15 AM] denzuko Cpu power [7/26/2019 12:15 AM] mizgeek Aha! [7/26/2019 12:17 AM] denzuko https://youtu.be/6EpJxGGZwsI {Embed} TkrZ https://youtu.be/6EpJxGGZwsI Unless You've Got POWER! HD McFly you bojo! Those boards don't work on water! https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ViURqolTbZrUCDa6dybpcWTQAPpPLG9_rFYf0a7DoIg/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/6EpJxGGZwsI/maxresdefault.jpg [7/26/2019 12:21 AM] denzuko :( [7/26/2019 12:21 AM] mizgeek -laugh- [7/26/2019 12:21 AM] denzuko got it seated but still the same thing [7/26/2019 12:22 AM] mizgeek Bah [7/26/2019 12:25 AM] mizgeek It has to be a power thing [7/26/2019 12:27 AM] denzuko I wonder if we can barrow a 500w psu from someone to test? [7/26/2019 12:28 AM] mizgeek I’m in Tyler, TX. -rolls eyes- [7/26/2019 12:29 AM] denzuko Ah.. that is a ways.. [7/26/2019 12:30 AM] mizgeek We won’t be home till Tuesday. Baby came early and torced our plans. [7/26/2019 12:31 AM] mizgeek Great grandfather can’t even get here until tomorrow [7/26/2019 12:31 AM] denzuko Guess ill call it a night for now and try again after tomorrows events [7/26/2019 12:31 AM] mizgeek Sweet dreams [7/26/2019 12:31 AM] denzuko You too and good luck :) [7/26/2019 12:32 AM] mizgeek Thx [7/29/2019 11:36 AM] denzukoatwork2317 holy... crap!! Chrome supports area maps?!? [7/29/2019 11:36 AM] denzukoatwork2317 https://www.spacejam.com/archive/spacejam/movie/cmp/souvenirs/souvenirsframes.html [7/29/2019 11:37 AM] denzukoatwork2317 still works [7/29/2019 4:23 PM] andrewbarroso7687 hey denzuko, I mentioned this to you before - Capital factory (Tech Incubator) and Rainbow vomit (immersive art exhibit down by fair park) both have phone booths which they are open to putting Phreaker devices into. I'd love to personally fund these if you get me a list of what you need and if it sounds like a cool project to you. Would absolutely love to publicize this or connect it to any VCC initiatives if you want that as well. Don't be afraid to say no, I know we're busy around here! [7/29/2019 4:41 PM] denzuko @Andrew Barroso I'm game. Lets set up a few working sessions to dedicate time to move this forward [7/29/2019 9:15 PM] denzuko {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/605584115588136980/20190729_205721.jpg?ex=67b93328&is=67b7e1a8&hm=85fdf4c6f6f7074d86171da3910124253dc13d361a326219494d7f766d924067& [7/29/2019 9:15 PM] denzuko {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/605584157657006091/20190729_205711.jpg?ex=67b93332&is=67b7e1b2&hm=89733cc09dfd0968a4038efa6d62ed7ff8ff86f0dd8328be1f884e41c6ef5382& [7/29/2019 9:15 PM] denzuko {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/605584217627164692/20190729_205727.jpg?ex=67b93340&is=67b7e1c0&hm=d62e2811cf174390c80c7d4ba3baff39facf0c559cbc32a6d01406fb35450373& {Reactions} 👏 [7/29/2019 9:16 PM] denzuko Extra space achieved [7/29/2019 9:17 PM] denzuko Still need a truck to help bring the rest on site [7/30/2019 5:25 AM] andrew5152 lookin' good! {Reactions} 💯 [7/30/2019 12:31 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Looks like the wiki is starting to get some attention. Lets make sure we keep the wiki up to date as we move forward. [7/30/2019 12:47 PM] yashsedai hahahahaha [7/30/2019 1:29 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @yashsedai yes I know.. but still it all helps [8/1/2019 6:35 PM] nullinterface $10-$20 for a new HSF for the ancient home desktop or save my pennies for a new rig? [8/1/2019 6:36 PM] nullinterface 2008's best technology - in 2019 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/606631356260286510/unknown.png?ex=67b90df9&is=67b7bc79&hm=15b9519df356db3544316bd5bc470c454d7f5984a509c871dea813bea6821e71& [8/1/2019 6:59 PM] denzuko @ESmith depends on what your doing, if your wanting to play the latest games or do 4k vid then sure upgrade otherwise go for it. [8/1/2019 7:02 PM] denzuko the only downside one can think of is that CPU series is vulnerable to Meltdown, Spectre and Spectre derivative attacks. [8/1/2019 7:13 PM] nullinterface The OS patches for those took a serious bite out of performance [8/1/2019 7:14 PM] nullinterface Intel was going to patch that far back at one point - haven't checked on the status of that delivery [8/1/2019 7:16 PM] nullinterface HSF has walked off the CPU once already so odds are I'm on borrowed time at this point [8/1/2019 8:56 PM] nullinterface I miss Ars Technica posting build guides [8/1/2019 9:55 PM] denzuko Yea those were rather good. Sucks no one does that for tablets and mobile phones [8/2/2019 7:25 AM] nullinterface hm, apparently intel decided not to update microcode for lynnfield processors after all [8/2/2019 10:03 AM] denzukoatwork2317 that sucks [8/2/2019 10:05 AM] denzukoatwork2317 though I'm glad that most arm processors are not affected. [8/2/2019 10:26 AM] nullinterface can't be a lot of them in the wild anymore [8/2/2019 10:26 AM] nullinterface tis the tragic nature of the economy [8/2/2019 12:05 PM] denzukoatwork2317 what arm processors? pretty sure those are the most used processors these days [8/2/2019 12:11 PM] nullinterface that I've not tracked [8/2/2019 12:53 PM] denzukoatwork2317 http://gs.statcounter.com/platform-market-share/desktop-mobile-tablet, mobile has 51.19% market share so that means the bulk that is arm from Samsung and huawei. {Embed} http://gs.statcounter.com/platform-market-share/desktop-mobile-tablet, Desktop vs Mobile vs Tablet, Market Share Worldwide | StatCounter ... This graph shows the market share of desktop vs mobile vs tablet, worldwide based on over 10 billion monthly page views. [8/2/2019 12:53 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Even Apple made the switch [8/2/2019 12:54 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcochiappetta/2019/02/24/intel-reportedly-confirms-apples-move-to-custom-arm-based-processors-in-future-macintosh-systems/#3c77f2d11d30 {Embed} https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcochiappetta/2019/02/24/intel-reportedly-confirms-apples-move-to-custom-arm-based-processors-in-future-macintosh-systems/ Intel Reportedly Confirms Apple's Move To Custom ARM-Based Process... While the move to an ARM-based SoC developed in-house would undoubtedly result in better margins for Apple, what it would mean to the Macintosh user experience remains to be seen. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/0NFrNvLdSQhbmr8ou1QFnXm3fliL4LFg1OOF9p2av5E/https/thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/600x315/https%253A%252F%252Fblogs-images.forbes.com%252Fmarcochiappetta%252Ffiles%252F2019%252F02%252Fmacintosh.jpg [8/2/2019 12:58 PM] nullinterface AAPL has presumably always been aware of the risks of relying on powerful vendors for critical components [8/2/2019 12:58 PM] nullinterface of the 3 major suppliers in the PC game - MSFT, intel, and the PC OEM - 2 have historically made great margins while the third made subsistence wages [8/2/2019 12:59 PM] nullinterface AAPL might have subsumed MSFT in that triangle but is not keen to deal with a powerful adversary like intel [8/2/2019 1:00 PM] nullinterface now if ARM can reach per-*core* performance parity with intel that will be interesting since parallelizing workloads has always been a challenge [8/2/2019 1:01 PM] nullinterface ARM can throw a lot of cores per unit area of silicon relative to intel and AMD [8/2/2019 1:01 PM] denzukoatwork2317 have you seen the 32 core Cortex-A57? [8/2/2019 1:02 PM] nullinterface nope [8/2/2019 1:04 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAM_GUp4uK0 {Embed} Charbax https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAM_GUp4uK0 ARM Fast Models for ARMv8 ARM Cortex-A57 ARM provides simulation models a year or more before the first silicon can be made for upcoming ARM Processors, here demonstrating how developers can work to... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/d7GzrOdAeN9syXZXWWs4VNIVDUGSqtaEStWZBdpJ-ac/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/KAM_GUp4uK0/maxresdefault.jpg [8/2/2019 1:04 PM] nullinterface video, man. can't. [8/2/2019 1:06 PM] nullinterface and I'm sure than an ARM rep is going to have nothing but glowing things to say about their product at a trade show [8/2/2019 1:06 PM] denzukoatwork2317 their dual quad core version are more famously used in the Tegra X1 SoC chipset. which also includes a 256 core GPU [8/2/2019 1:08 PM] denzukoatwork2317 sure I'll give you that yes these are all just names and most of the benchmarks one finds are focused on gpu performance than cpu. but we're entering into an era where ram is both storage and block device and gpus out pace cpus [8/2/2019 1:10 PM] nullinterface and yet GPUs aren't outright replacing CPUs [8/2/2019 1:11 PM] nullinterface last I read on the offerings from traditional GPU vendors they're talking *thousands* of cores [8/2/2019 1:17 PM] denzuko Of course. A computer has a lot more to do then cruch trillions of numbers. Heck at one time pcs needed a co processor just for math and then one just for direct memory access. [8/2/2019 1:19 PM] denzuko No way we're ever going to have one chip replace the others 100% but at some point if there's an improvement it gets intergrated into a smaller package [8/2/2019 2:01 PM] nullinterface curious if we'll see something like the d-wave as a more widely-spread accessory processor ala GPUs [8/5/2019 5:06 PM] denzuko Mounts for the interactive displays came and are now installed [8/5/2019 5:06 PM] denzuko {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608058243511615634/20190805_170509.jpg?ex=67b8f8de&is=67b7a75e&hm=646bd2f46d62db5d0095c449b7ce3c9bff8743c0c8e3420f8d462db4a8fa718a& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608058244996268032/20190805_170458.jpg?ex=67b8f8de&is=67b7a75e&hm=e24fad089a6ab0302df90b4bf80d8849b744b73ad31d938788894ccf5ceff9bf& [8/5/2019 5:07 PM] denzuko Cables, wall runners, and folding desk is in route [8/6/2019 12:05 PM] nullinterface I clearly haven't kept up with computing platforms. So much memory is being adertised as being Intel Z370 specific ... but otherwise DDR4 PC3kwhatever 288-pin. Going to assume that since we've gotten beyond the RAMbus clusterf_ck that DDR4 288-pin works with intel and AMD A-OK. [8/7/2019 5:27 PM] denzuko Security Screws came in and now the mount plate works {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608788382037966886/20190807_172457.jpg?ex=67b8fddd&is=67b7ac5d&hm=96d6d664e1aa431a345ebc4a52f05d1e00d483cc9433abfbae10f1ec8a3b2941& [8/7/2019 5:27 PM] denzuko {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608788459359830017/JPEG_20190807_172755.jpg?ex=67b8fdef&is=67b7ac6f&hm=753aaabdf2bdd42fa989e2410b85941b5a816dd12e6728039f1c96f4c9d65073& [8/7/2019 5:28 PM] denzuko Handset before {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608788584610398278/JPEG_20190807_172826.jpg?ex=67b8fe0d&is=67b7ac8d&hm=374a929b3bb481e8ebb090459717103d1fa7f046083dddee823105bb73a83456& [8/7/2019 5:28 PM] denzuko After {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608788691258834964/JPEG_20190807_172851.jpg?ex=67b8fe26&is=67b7aca6&hm=cec5205c8d12116f4f56b524f1149a9a0880a8a0063296bb803cf46032f16be6& [8/7/2019 6:21 PM] denzuko Locks ahoy {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608801936866672641/JPEG_20190807_182102.jpg?ex=67b90a7c&is=67b7b8fc&hm=b42576233e6b772d5d0834db9715c3a7a5c5d0c29a2ded29c2559be1eca5da7c& {Reactions} 👍 [8/7/2019 6:21 PM] denzuko Thanks @Patrickpleez1 for helping [8/7/2019 6:22 PM] denzuko Now.. to get the t lock open [8/7/2019 6:37 PM] denzuko https://www.payphone.com/Upper-Lock-and-Key-Set.html {Embed} https://www.payphone.com/Upper-Lock-and-Key-Set.html Upper Lock & Key Set :: Locks & Keys :: Payphone Parts :: Parts ::... Replacement Lock & Key Set for the upper section of GTE/Quadrum style payphone housings (right side coin slot). [8/7/2019 6:37 PM] denzuko Replacement upper lock [8/7/2019 6:38 PM] denzuko https://www.payphone.com/medeco-lower-lock-key-set.html {Embed} https://www.payphone.com/medeco-lower-lock-key-set.html Medeco Lower Lock & Key Set, :: Parts :: Payphone.com Add Medeco High-Security Locks to Phone payphone parts payphone upper and lower locksf GTE/Quadrum style payphone housings (right side coin slot). [8/7/2019 6:38 PM] denzuko Replacement lower [8/7/2019 6:41 PM] denzuko T key in route, should be here on the 9th [8/7/2019 7:19 PM] denzuko folding desk, before {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608816619866554390/JPEG_20190807_191945.jpg?ex=67b91829&is=67b7c6a9&hm=8e129f59c0b761a66d06053b73ca9b2e6ebed86000ab4c8e864b2870a8b68d4c& [8/7/2019 10:59 PM] denzuko {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608871788557893635/JPEG_20190807_225857.jpg?ex=67b94b8a&is=67b7fa0a&hm=f75d825a5779d93bd284fdc245635cb542a5dde51aa246bfcd6c8a2b76abcdfa& [8/7/2019 11:00 PM] denzuko {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608872096747225118/JPEG_20190807_230007.jpg?ex=67b94bd4&is=67b7fa54&hm=677b3ff263331ea571aa555b1fd62e8ed1d7b86009a9d23550ba7f7c6266a320& [8/7/2019 11:01 PM] denzuko {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/608872280273190933/JPEG_20190807_230054.jpg?ex=67b94bff&is=67b7fa7f&hm=b38e34df5389be6ea1dd9c7dc3d69d0910fdeaa73037f7666771bd46821f7b08& [8/7/2019 11:01 PM] denzuko More to come [8/8/2019 11:20 AM] denzukoatwork2317 Have you guys ever seen one of these? [8/8/2019 11:20 AM] denzukoatwork2317 http://1541ultimate.net/content/images/U64_proto.JPG {Embed} http://1541ultimate.net/content/images/U64_proto.JPG https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Y1oheOpdwE2aAu1MORpVx3Q7oCE_-Lw3BipFEDyBEls/http/1541ultimate.net/content/images/U64_proto.JPG [8/8/2019 11:21 AM] denzukoatwork2317 https://www.vintageisthenewold.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/IMG_20181003_172703.jpg {Embed} https://www.vintageisthenewold.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/IMG_20181003_172703.jpg https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/H1R3Eai2GFn04WiUJd2hTktMjAEs656kSUciVwf6xwQ/https/www.vintageisthenewold.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/IMG_20181003_172703.jpg [8/8/2019 11:23 AM] denzukoatwork2317 https://www.youtube.com/embed/_dLngrMQnNw?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&autohide=2&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&wmode=transparent [8/8/2019 11:25 AM] denzukoatwork2317 goes for about $221.46 so might take a bit but what do you guys say, should we include it in the museum? [8/14/2019 5:42 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Committee Meeting next week - https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-committee-meeting-wednesday-24-7-30/60976 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-committee-meeting-wednesday-24-7-30/60976 VCC Committee Meeting Wednesday 24 7:30 VCC Computer Committee meeting to cover agenda items and sprint planning. Best time to meet one on one with committee members, VCC supported sig leaders, instructors, and committee leadership. Agenda: https://wiki.dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Computer_Committee_Meeting_201908... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bessPgJuA15_2N58_on5j9oIHQswEBXx-2E6nkn_Kh4/%3Fv%3D2%26s%3D96/https/avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/19776 [8/16/2019 2:12 PM] stephenie. What is the official name of this committee? October 19, 2018 @Denzuko.sdf.org changed the name on the wiki's category tag to "Computer Committee" but elsewhere it's still called "VCC". Asking for financial forms. [8/16/2019 2:14 PM] stephenie. And can't find minutes renaming Committee. [8/16/2019 2:26 PM] hon1nbo may have something to do with SDC not being active? [8/16/2019 2:26 PM] hon1nbo I don't recall what happened formally, if anything, but there is no chair of SDC and they aren't active [8/16/2019 3:25 PM] draco_the_drake I am the vice chair of SDC and we are having a meeting coming up [8/16/2019 3:29 PM] yashsedai lol [8/16/2019 3:30 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @stephenie its officially VCC computer committee but if one is looking up in quick books they have us as 'vintage' never have gotten much motion to have it updated properly since the committee was started. but VCC has been short for VCC Computer Committee so which ever works for you. [8/16/2019 4:11 PM] hon1nbo @Draco where are minutes of this? You're still listed as a vice chair, the listed chair isn't a member when we checked, and there aren't minutes of anything recent (latest was in 2018), and there isn't even a role of chair listed [8/16/2019 4:12 PM] hon1nbo Correction, one meeting in 2019... To elect the chair that isn't around anymore [8/16/2019 4:12 PM] hon1nbo There are no minutes electing you as a chair I can find. [8/16/2019 4:13 PM] stephenie. Let's move this to the #deleted-channel channel [8/20/2019 6:48 PM] denzuko Don't forget, team vcc. We meet tomorrow night in the new committee area [8/22/2019 1:37 AM] kevpat Anyone on here have an networking certs [8/22/2019 3:00 PM] jediclick How many Cisco certified members do you need DMS to have in order to get the grant Kevin? [8/22/2019 5:00 PM] doug.emes Fyi per the meeting last night, I spoke with the ADM, and informed him I would be documenting / collecting the processes he manually executes. He was happy to hear it. [8/22/2019 5:05 PM] draco_the_drake Thanks @doug.emes [8/22/2019 5:07 PM] draco_the_drake Does anyone know of a software where you can build a form and have it execute a query based on the form? Basically, you can setup a series of queries that someone can just click to run and/or fill a form out and run. [8/22/2019 5:08 PM] draco_the_drake Something can be written to do this but I'm wondering if there isn't something out there already that is GUI or Web [8/22/2019 5:08 PM] draco_the_drake Perhaps something with LDAP user permissions [8/22/2019 5:27 PM] jediclick We should discuss security as well. We will want to inspect that sql before passing it. Want to voice chat about the process? [8/22/2019 5:42 PM] draco_the_drake I think the idea is that the user wouldn't need access to the SQL but it could be designed in the GUI by the admin [8/22/2019 5:43 PM] draco_the_drake For example, there could be query for the number of members [8/22/2019 5:43 PM] draco_the_drake or a voting members list [8/22/2019 5:43 PM] draco_the_drake or one that fixes a badge problem [8/22/2019 5:43 PM] draco_the_drake and you could hand out rights to different people based upon their AD group [8/22/2019 5:45 PM] draco_the_drake It would also be cool if there was an API for it [8/22/2019 5:45 PM] draco_the_drake Only the admins would get arbitrary SQL access [8/22/2019 5:45 PM] draco_the_drake or it could be by database as well [8/22/2019 5:46 PM] draco_the_drake I think it could be a very useful open source project [8/22/2019 5:51 PM] draco_the_drake Version 2 might have running of scripts and scheduled tasks [8/22/2019 5:56 PM] jediclick I'm probably making some wrong assumptions about what the fix will do since we don't have the details from dougemes yet. I've been assuming that a name would need to be input. [8/22/2019 6:17 PM] denzuko openfaas function which runs the bash script. Only need to sanitize inputs of any. but this is solution crafting where a process or problem is not defined. For all we know it just takes a fork and some banging on a keyboard to get to work [8/22/2019 6:19 PM] denzuko if its that simple we could just pay a monkey in bananas to do that Hopefully we get my point here [8/22/2019 6:30 PM] draco_the_drake I am describing a project that might could do the badge problem but really is a separate project for general use. You are correct that we need to wait on the badge issue from Stan. I'm just thinking it would be a cool thing to have [8/22/2019 11:05 PM] kevpat KISS & Laser focus. Don't make it to fix every possible future thing. Just fix that one button's action on that one web page in that one website. It's triage not long term goals. [8/22/2019 11:54 PM] draco_the_drake I guess I shouldn't have mentioned it ... [8/22/2019 11:56 PM] draco_the_drake because ya'll are applying it to the maker manager issue [8/23/2019 2:10 AM] hon1nbo @Draco security for sql isn't just about who can craft a query. It's about sanitizing any and all user interaction before a query is execute, even indirect parameters. [8/23/2019 5:39 AM] draco_the_drake Of course it is [8/23/2019 5:40 AM] draco_the_drake Yes you are correct [8/23/2019 5:40 AM] draco_the_drake In this software, I'm considering not allowing SQL [8/23/2019 8:45 AM] draco_the_drake The new minutes are up https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Computer_Committee_Meeting_20190821 {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Computer_Committee_Meeting_20190821 Computer Committee Meeting 20190821 [8/23/2019 8:56 AM] draco_the_drake @denzuko-at-work Here is the proposed board agenda item ``` ===Merge VCC and Software Development Committees (Mike Cole [Draco], Dwight Spenser, et al)=== '''Problem''': We have two committees that overlap in purpose and would be better served to be merged into one committee. The committees have jointly voted to merge and have voted upon a name. '''Solution''': Merge VCC and Software Development Committee into one committee and name the committee “Hackerspace.” All funds, equipment and resources from both committees shall be merged. Direct committee to hold a vote for a new chair. Brief Purpose: In the Hackerspace you learn how to create software and hack hardware. '''Relevance''': N/A. No additional funds required. ``` [8/23/2019 8:57 AM] yashsedai So what maker manager problem are you trying to solve? [8/23/2019 8:59 AM] draco_the_drake There is an issue with maker manager that it is not allowing badges to be imported correctly from Smartwaiver. Stan has been doing much of it manually for some time. What was proposed was an automated band-aid fix, basically doing what Stan has been doing until we can fix Maker Manager. [8/23/2019 9:06 AM] denzuko New minutes or sdc minutes added to vcc meeting minutes? Formality here matters. Its still two committees until the board weights in on the matter. [8/23/2019 9:07 AM] draco_the_drake Software Development is redirecting to VCC on the Wiki for some reason [8/23/2019 9:07 AM] draco_the_drake I put it as a joint committee meeting [8/23/2019 9:07 AM] draco_the_drake and linked both categories [8/23/2019 9:07 AM] denzuko Category:software [8/23/2019 9:08 AM] denzuko just making sure our ducks are in a row here [8/23/2019 9:09 AM] draco_the_drake Certainly ... it is strange, you search "Software Development" and you get Computer Committee .. but there is a "Software Development Committee" page as well ... but at the bottom there is a whole lot of "Computer Committee" minutes [8/23/2019 9:10 AM] draco_the_drake Oh well ... it is on both categories and the page says joint committee meetings linking to both calendar pages [8/23/2019 9:11 AM] draco_the_drake Should I put up the agenda item? [8/23/2019 9:11 AM] draco_the_drake Just wanted to get an okay from you [8/23/2019 9:12 AM] draco_the_drake We have to do it today [8/23/2019 9:12 AM] draco_the_drake and I will be busy most of the day with other thigns [8/23/2019 9:13 AM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org [8/23/2019 9:14 AM] yashsedai SmartWaiver: {"unique_id":"PAui5NGgmthHN6AgtzpyHK","credential":"redact","event":"new-waiver"} [2019-08-22 21:17:34] production.ERROR: Undefined offset: 1 {"exception":"[object] (ErrorException(code: 0): Undefined offset: 1 at /srv/www/makermanager.dallasmakerspace.org/app/releases/11/app/Listeners/InsertWaiver.php:53) [8/23/2019 9:16 AM] yashsedai so [8/23/2019 9:16 AM] yashsedai I set the programmer to having a look at this [8/23/2019 9:16 AM] yashsedai previously [8/23/2019 9:16 AM] yashsedai i have not checked in with him this week [8/23/2019 9:16 AM] draco_the_drake Do you mean Andrew? [8/23/2019 9:16 AM] yashsedai no [8/23/2019 9:17 AM] yashsedai I have a paid programmer [8/23/2019 9:17 AM] yashsedai i've used him for things I needed done yesterday [8/23/2019 9:17 AM] draco_the_drake There is a whole lot of deprecations in Maker Manager [8/23/2019 9:17 AM] yashsedai i wouldnt disagree [8/23/2019 9:18 AM] draco_the_drake It is using old code ... I had to upgrade all of them when I redid the calendar [8/23/2019 9:18 AM] draco_the_drake It is most likely using an old Smartwaiver library [8/23/2019 9:18 AM] yashsedai its interesting that it occurs about 10 percent of the time [8/23/2019 9:20 AM] denzuko @draco, send me the verbage I'll have time at lunch. [8/23/2019 9:20 AM] draco_the_drake I won't have time [8/23/2019 9:20 AM] draco_the_drake The verbage is above [8/23/2019 9:21 AM] draco_the_drake We have to get it in before the 48 hour window ... [8/23/2019 9:21 AM] draco_the_drake If you want to submit it, that is fine [8/23/2019 9:24 AM] draco_the_drake It needs to be on the agenda before 3pm today [8/23/2019 9:33 AM] draco_the_drake I also PMed it to you [8/23/2019 9:36 AM] denzuko Thank you [8/23/2019 1:47 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/committee-project-fundraiser/61411 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/committee-project-fundraiser/61411 Committee Project - Fundraiser As per our meeting agenda notes. VCC will be organizing a community fundraiser event. How this works Members would get a table to sell electronics (retro, vintage, or modern), technology, and other items that they bring. Proceeds would be donated directly back to Dallas Ma... [8/23/2019 1:49 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://trello.com/b/8Ua31tbl/fundraiser-event {Embed} https://trello.com/b/8Ua31tbl/fundraiser-event Trello Organize anything, together. Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. In one glance, know what's being worked on, who's working on what, and where something is in a process. [8/23/2019 1:55 PM] jediclick This may be a dumb question but is this "garage sale" being coordinated with any other committees that want to do the same thing? It would make sense to have multiple groups sell things at the same time and ideally we could funnel all of the non-member foot traffic to the same area. [8/23/2019 2:08 PM] yashsedai I believe there is still some question to the issue of "garage sales" [8/23/2019 2:08 PM] yashsedai from a finance and org perspective [8/23/2019 2:08 PM] yashsedai i realize we have had them [8/23/2019 2:08 PM] yashsedai but they tend to over look rules ... [8/23/2019 2:31 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @JediClick Sounds like there's a chance for that but I'd like to make sure that everyone involved is on the same page. lets chat doing office hours [8/23/2019 2:31 PM] aceat64 in theory they can be done, as long as we show they are open to the public and publicized [8/23/2019 2:32 PM] aceat64 the issue would be selling stuff to "insiders" (read: DMS members) at or below cost, since that falls under stuff like private benefit, excess benefit, etc [8/23/2019 2:32 PM] aceat64 irs non-profit rules are fun [8/23/2019 3:03 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Promotional slidedeck: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10pCfF7KxMEkzQA8huw24ys6ezmBGkch8koJGSLUXgE8/edit?usp=sharing {Embed} https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10pCfF7KxMEkzQA8huw24ys6ezmBGkch8koJGSLUXgE8/edit?usp=sharing Computer Committee Fundraiser VCC Computer Committee Fundraiser 2019 Q4 - vcc.dallasmakerspace.org https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/SGaCPh9Wzp07fVTaJl6TvuWIA550aZmwsNI5FK55rWY/https/lh4.googleusercontent.com/UZ6w3usrxBXVGHmv_KrUNxgHyvPqAGCB7PHDj9exK7WptWf30_4kVCrmRmnqG6kmJ14xIA%3Dw1200-h630-p [8/23/2019 3:04 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Guys I'm going to need contact details to update our committee management spreadsheet [8/23/2019 3:22 PM] aceat64 suggestion for a sign for the new merged committee: The two hardest problems in computer science: 1. cache invalidation 2. naming things 3. off-by-one errors [8/23/2019 3:31 PM] denzukoatwork2317 don't forget divide by zero, and p vs np problems 😉 [8/23/2019 4:05 PM] sindarius "There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't" {Reactions} 😁 [8/23/2019 4:38 PM] james_david_vance @denzuko-at-work I'll be there tomorrow to help move stuff. 1 pm at DMS, correct? [8/23/2019 4:43 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @DJ Vance we'll meet at studio42 where things are to be moved from. Its 18 minutes away from DMS. [8/23/2019 4:44 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Believe I was just texting you the address. Correct? [8/23/2019 4:45 PM] denzukoatwork2317 if not. text me. 512-920-8169 [8/25/2019 3:27 PM] denzuko Committee stuff is on site. We need to get this ready for the fundraiser asap. [8/25/2019 3:28 PM] denzuko cant have things cluttering up the space [8/25/2019 3:34 PM] stephenie. You need to get with @Cat_Skat about holding a fundraiser. [8/25/2019 3:37 PM] denzuko had that talk with the last board but will be glad to have that talk again [8/25/2019 3:38 PM] stephenie. We did not have a working Finance Group during the last board, so best to revisit. [8/25/2019 3:38 PM] stephenie. Thanks [8/25/2019 3:39 PM] denzuko would not be involving any property owned by dms but yes we will engage finance asap {Reactions} 👌 [8/28/2019 12:17 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Office hours are still being held tonight: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/13770 [8/28/2019 6:40 PM] denzuko got pulled into a sev1 outage for my work. Ill keep the event on the calendar and be glad to jump into voice chat here. But do work out the direction forward. [8/28/2019 9:19 PM] jediclick I showed up just after 7:00. No one was there. I left. [8/28/2019 10:01 PM] denzuko we had a call and there was a few of us hanging out. expect some great news shortly [8/31/2019 10:57 PM] nullinterface I find myself needing a USB-only KVM, without video. Plenty of marquees on the 'Zon of the 6-18 month half-life variety in the $20 range that do 2-4 peripherals pointing to 2 computers; I need just 2 peripherals pointing to 3 computers. I'd rather not RAMSWAN or whatnot but I'm not sure it's worth the 3 figures that name brands want either. [8/31/2019 11:01 PM] doug.emes Logi has nice mouse that works with 3 pcs, maybe they have kb Too? Or is bluetooth not allowed [8/31/2019 11:02 PM] nullinterface Got a decent mouse and keyboard and I try to avoid wireless for stationary applications [8/31/2019 11:03 PM] nullinterface I derped and forgot that USB != PS/2. This will likely suffice: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00Y3CTDAY [8/31/2019 11:15 PM] nullinterface {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/617573216067649547/IMG_20190831_183624711.jpg?ex=67b94f60&is=67b7fde0&hm=be54244a11a81756e503158b6e39f185daeb0b76eae2b1b77c968a3bdf18d0aa& [8/31/2019 11:16 PM] nullinterface Working on the *Dr Evil* setup. Monitor has a variety of splitscreen modes. Will probably soon reduce it down to just a laptop and the new desktop, but for now there's the possibility of juggling three machines. [9/1/2019 5:52 PM] denzuko Nice. Got myself one with built in displaylink but my current battle station is going to have software kvm with tablets and chromecast monitors as secondary displays to the main laptop and cpu cluster in the closet [9/1/2019 5:53 PM] denzuko Got parts coming in to upgrade the network so ill grab sime video for us as its built out [9/1/2019 6:52 PM] mrcity Say, does VCC want an Apple AEK2 ADB keyboard for use with, say, the Performa? [9/1/2019 7:23 PM] doug.emes Hi steve_o [9/1/2019 8:19 PM] mrcity Howdy Doug 👋 [9/1/2019 10:00 PM] nullinterface new workstation is assembled, just reluctant to go through the whole OS loading / driver install shebang [9/5/2019 9:46 AM] nullinterface {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/619181545831268352/unknown.png?ex=67b93a80&is=67b7e900&hm=ad6c3393fcfe42204a28b93b933848bb3a0cff8c9c8a3407b0cc76c92c6d6f0d& {Reactions} 😄 (2) [9/5/2019 11:46 AM] draco_the_drake What happens to the cloud when it rains? Or what is a thunderstorm? [9/5/2019 11:58 AM] nullinterface temperature and humidity is carefully controlled in the data center [9/5/2019 1:13 PM] draco_the_drake Ahh yes .. so accidental thunderstorms do not occur .. makes sense [9/5/2019 1:22 PM] nullinterface air pressure tends to be fairly constant as well - almost the ideal place to house a cloud [9/5/2019 2:35 PM] adam1334 Depends on the datacenter... There was one that I got to tour that the 'cold' side aisle was vented from large roll up doors, even in the summer when it was raining outside. It must have been 95 degrees and about 80% humidity when I got my tour. 5500 machines crunching away on cryptocurrency make for an interesting value prop/ [9/5/2019 2:40 PM] nullinterface you're committing the error of letting the facts get in the way of a good story [9/5/2019 7:20 PM] hon1nbo y'all completely ignoring the actual cloud in a datacenter that facebook inadvertently created: https://gizmodo.com/facebooks-data-center-humidity-challenge-was-indoor-512173504 {Embed} https://gizmodo.com/facebooks-data-center-humidity-challenge-was-indoor-512173504 Facebook's Data Center Humidity "Challenge" Was Indoor Rain In 2011 Facebook reported that their first data center in Prineville, OR had a high humidity issue. Probably not the best condition for servers, sure. But it turns out that wonky temperature controls were actually causing condensation in the data center. Like indoor rain. Lik... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tppRdUUqTPxtlZRpvIufb_J5SFTHTKZSgnaKxqlosmw/https/i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--SXlSGDTM--/c_fill%2Cfl_progressive%2Cg_center%2Ch_900%2Cq_80%2Cw_1600/18qat652ovnbijpg.jpg [9/5/2019 7:20 PM] hon1nbo it was raining in the datacenter {Reactions} 😅 (2) [9/6/2019 7:27 AM] nullinterface joke would be better if that DC were on the coast where the annual rainfall totals are in the 60-72" range [9/6/2019 12:19 PM] nullinterface ah the challenges of the 4-dimensional USB-A connector ... http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/usb.gif {Embed} http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/usb.gif https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/5t5xpWMeix8JKOuWAduO7O3ZAiEWZAGwe4w2yL5acso/http/cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/usb.gif {Reactions} 🤣 [9/6/2019 12:58 PM] draco_the_drake Yes LOL [9/6/2019 1:02 PM] denzuko meh, not a fan of the type c but at least they're trying to make these issues less of a thing [9/6/2019 1:08 PM] nullinterface I've had fewer issues with type C than A and all the variants of B [9/6/2019 1:11 PM] nullinterface I do however wish USB-PD would become **A Thing™** a great deal faster [9/6/2019 1:12 PM] nullinterface especially if Leviton et al could figure out how to bake 100W USB-PD into the footprint of a standard duplex outlet [9/6/2019 1:14 PM] nullinterface to the extent I've had issues with type C they've been the same as micro B - pocket lint accumulates in them on a ~quarterly basis and requires a specialized tool (such as a SIM eject tool) to remove [9/14/2019 5:17 PM] nullinterface windows needs a "maximize to *1080*" function in addition to the usual close/minimize/maximize-restore functions [9/14/2019 5:19 PM] denzuko bblean is still a thing [9/16/2019 1:49 PM] nullinterface uses for MSFT Edge: • downloading other browsers when you first install the OS • running multiple instances of GMail • "what *does* that look like when the user isn't logged in?" [9/16/2019 1:50 PM] nullinterface of course it will soon just be heavily-skinned Chrome so that will soon be that [9/20/2019 3:24 PM] draco_the_drake I need a short description of the Hackerspace for the talk category [9/20/2019 3:27 PM] denzuko Though we decided to rename the categories we already have [9/20/2019 3:31 PM] draco_the_drake We are ..... but I don't think we ever discussed the description, we skipped over it ... The current VCC description is ``` The VCC Category is for discussion of governance of the VCC Committee, Case Modding, Data Engineering, Computer Science & Engineering, PC Computers, Computer Projects, Civic Hacking, and Information Security. ``` [9/20/2019 3:32 PM] draco_the_drake I think we can do better [9/20/2019 3:33 PM] denzuko Gets to the point and informative but what would the community suggest? [9/20/2019 3:34 PM] draco_the_drake The brief description we came up with was "In the Hackerspace you learn how to create software and hack hardware." Perhaps we should expand on that [9/20/2019 3:37 PM] draco_the_drake I also found this interesting but this might apply to the whole space rather than our committee. ``` Hackerspaces are widely defined on hackerspaces.org as “community-operated physical places, where people can meet and work on their projects”. The exact functioning of the space varies from place to place and is determined by its members and while there is no blueprint or set of guidelines to create a hackerspace, they generally follow a “hacker ethic”, which “include freedom, in the sense of autonomy as well as of free access and circulation of information; distrust of authority, that is, opposing the traditional, industrial top-down style of organization; embracing the concept of learning by doing and peer-to-peer learning processes as opposed to formal modes of learning; sharing, solidarity and cooperation” (Kostakis, Niaros, & Giotitsas, 2014). ``` From https://www.academia.edu/7241516/Empowering_the_hacker_in_us_a_comparison_of_fab_lab_and_hackerspace_ecosystems [9/20/2019 3:42 PM] denzuko ok are we trying to break away into a new hackerspace or something? we're a committee of dms and should keep that in mind [9/20/2019 3:43 PM] draco_the_drake No .. but I'm trying to define hacking for people and I ran across that interesting little blurb [9/20/2019 3:44 PM] draco_the_drake I think the following is much closer to what we are doing ... "In the Hackerspace you learn how to create software and hack hardware." [9/20/2019 3:44 PM] draco_the_drake Do you know of a good definition of hacking? [9/20/2019 3:47 PM] denzuko http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/H/hacker.html [9/20/2019 3:48 PM] denzuko The hacker mind-set is not confined to this software-hacker culture. There are people who apply the hacker attitude to other things, like electronics or music — actually, you can find it at the highest levels of any science or art. [9/20/2019 3:48 PM] draco_the_drake Awesome ``` Hacker: A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. ``` [9/20/2019 3:49 PM] draco_the_drake Yes [9/20/2019 3:49 PM] draco_the_drake That is true [9/20/2019 3:49 PM] draco_the_drake hmm [9/20/2019 3:49 PM] draco_the_drake ``` Hacker: A person who enjoys exploring the details of things and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most people, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. ``` [9/20/2019 3:54 PM] denzuko So taking those onto account hacking can be taking valves of water and building a turing machine with it then working out a lambda engine with colors or particles to build a steam punk compiler [9/20/2019 3:55 PM] denzuko Or making a toaster into a sexy robot that wants to kill all humans [9/20/2019 3:56 PM] denzuko But only if it doesn't violates the first 3 laws of robots {Reactions} 😂 [9/20/2019 3:56 PM] denzuko 😀 [9/20/2019 3:56 PM] draco_the_drake Or just annoy you by offering toasted bread products so incessantly that you want to kill yourself. [9/20/2019 3:57 PM] denzuko Hey it could just get butter for the toast [9/20/2019 3:57 PM] draco_the_drake :) Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec {Embed} BBC Studios https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec Does Anyone Want Any Toast? | Red Dwarf | BBC Kryten tries to be helpful by fixing the toaster only to discover that it's the most annoying machine in the universe. Subscribe: http://bit.ly/BBCStudios WA... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Lecu2WeXKiLRDhS4hwscYhkfyrW3_-SmiWdXAwNRxcY/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/LRq_SAuQDec/maxresdefault.jpg [9/20/2019 3:58 PM] denzuko https://www.etsy.com/listing/677699607/wyze-cam-butter-robot-free-shipping-now?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_d-electronics_and_accessories-gadgets&utm_custom1=_kenshoo_clickid_&utm_content=go_304502195_22746047795_78727279115_aud-736801674656:pla-106553253155_m__677699607&gclid=CjwKCAjw8ZHsBRA6EiwA7hw_sSeyCo7ZDnWh3ROz_16_tNsxr8H1afiMdkfRUTKqGsZsVHbgYgTZxRoCeJEQAvD_BwE {Embed} https://www.etsy.com/listing/677699607/wyze-cam-butter-robot-free-shipping-now?gpla=1&gao=1&&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping_us_d-electronics_and_accessories-gadgets&utm_custom1=_kenshoo_clickid_&utm_content=go_304502195_22746047795_78727279115_aud-736801674656:pla-106553253155_m__677699607&gclid=CjwKCAjw8ZHsBRA6EiwA7hw_sSeyCo7ZDnWh3ROz_16_tNsxr8H1afiMdkfRUTKqGsZsVHbgYgTZxRoCeJEQAvD_BwE Wyze Cam Butter Robot - Free Shipping & now in Silver and Black The infamous Butter Robot for your Wyze Camera to blend into the surroundings! Your robot will come to you as a kit to be put together by you. You will receive: 2 arms 1 upper body 1 camera support 1 lower body 2 treads The robot is 3D printed from PLA and will show manufac... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1tySzohVaYhCY59Pq4qXVPIhhchWgKsY58n9k2r1lkc/https/i.etsystatic.com/19349142/r/il/d2f402/1804871737/il_570xN.1804871737_nbst.jpg [9/20/2019 3:59 PM] denzuko There's some hacking, getting that wyze camera stand to actually get butter [9/20/2019 5:18 PM] denzuko We're in!! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/624731033446776842/20190920_171244.jpg?ex=67b8fb9d&is=67b7aa1d&hm=80401c46184b99568c1687fa5c2a831ce9449dca54f9d4a7bb182d8e3de311f6& [9/20/2019 5:25 PM] denzuko We're in!! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/624732898473541686/20190920_171244.jpg?ex=67b8fd59&is=67b7abd9&hm=35b514b896b85f968ff1cbda900d8d225ef29c2c3a812d9c3db60287249a47bf& [9/20/2019 11:44 PM] kevpat @pearce Can you rename this channel to HackerSpace [10/1/2019 6:47 AM] james_david_vance Here's the Trello board for the Hackathon: let me know your Trello username if you want to be added. https://trello.com/b/Zk6VtITe/dms-hackerspace-hackathon {Embed} https://trello.com/b/Zk6VtITe/dms-hackerspace-hackathon Trello Organize anything, together. Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. In one glance, know what's being worked on, who's working on what, and where something is in a process. [10/1/2019 7:02 AM] james_david_vance Let's talk about the constraints and the judging criteria for the Hackathon. Here's what I'm thinking: The kit comes with: 1 x Grove pi+ 1 x Grove - Temperature and Humidity 1 x Grove - Relay 1 x Grove - Ultrasonic Ranger (distance sensor good for a couple feet) 1 x Grove - LCD RGB backlight display 1 x Grove - Buzzer 1 x GrovePi+ Guidebook 10 x Cables 1 x Grove - Sound sensor (not sure if mic or just sound level) 1 x Grove - Light sensor 1 x Grove - Button 1 x Grove - Rotary Angle Sensor (it's just a potentiometer) 1 x Grove - Red LED 1 x Grove - Blue LED 1 x Grove - Green LED So the sensors included are sound, light, temperature + humidity, distance. I'm thinking we simply say that you have to use at least one of those four sensors. And you can add whatever you want. Then we can use basically the same criteria as the Brother hackathon: originality, usefulness/market value, and completeness. They also had one about design aethetics that I want to exclude. I don't think people winning by having more money will be an issue, since money can't get you a more original, useful, or complete idea. What I'm pretty set on is that we're going to give contestants a lot of time, at least a month of advance notice and have them produce a 3 minute video and then just have one or two days (depending on funding) to go through the videos and have some judges rank them. I think it might be good to have some categories for prizes, like maybe we have a prize and award for the best project that uses the temperature and humidity, or a prize for a project that uses all four sensors, something like that. [10/3/2019 11:47 AM] denzukoatwork2317 Have we even remotely picked a theme? [10/3/2019 11:47 AM] denzukoatwork2317 maybe something eco or civic or solves an issue that the makerspace has run into (not fixing things at the space just as a model for a theme)? [10/3/2019 11:48 AM] denzukoatwork2317 maybe even something robotic? [10/3/2019 11:56 AM] james_david_vance To be clear, we don't have to pick a theme. We have to pick constraints and judging criteria. [10/3/2019 12:06 PM] denzukoatwork2317 picking a theme is part of constraints and helps sets expectations with participants [10/3/2019 12:06 PM] denzukoatwork2317 plus it focuses the marketing and promotional work. [10/3/2019 12:07 PM] denzukoatwork2317 again; constraints [10/3/2019 12:10 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://static.mlh.io/docs/mlh-member-event-guidelines.pdf [10/3/2019 1:50 PM] denzukoatwork2317 demoscene as a website.. who knew [10/3/2019 1:50 PM] denzukoatwork2317 http://acko.net/ {Embed} http://acko.net/ Hackery, Math & Design A blog about random hacks, graphics and design, math and other ephemera. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/8hTt2OYo6oqAl7IddNR48HlSQiyTtf4kF0t4VIqMUbI/https/acko.net/files/zerotosixty/cover.jpg [10/3/2019 2:08 PM] james_david_vance Being a member event for MLH is a bad idea. We will not guarantee that 150 people will show up. We will not guarantee that the event is free. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/629394272184958976/Screenshot_20191003-140640.jpg?ex=67b8cf18&is=67b77d98&hm=4c57249affd5f688f697157c050e08240c1cc6b55896a35589807dbc955276a7& [10/3/2019 2:10 PM] james_david_vance If I understand what you mean by theme, then picking a theme is not required. It doesn't help set expectations with the participants compared to the alternative. [10/3/2019 4:15 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Wasn't saying to join NHL even if we already are partnered with them [10/3/2019 4:15 PM] denzukoatwork2317 They have some decent base guidelines to work off from [10/3/2019 4:16 PM] denzukoatwork2317 as for the theme, without one what are we going to tell the participates. Here's the hardware kit, now go wild? [10/3/2019 4:17 PM] denzukoatwork2317 expect to see a lot of blinky lights and dump founded faces [10/3/2019 4:17 PM] denzukoatwork2317 its the same as saying to someone here's a pen and paper now create a master peice [10/3/2019 4:22 PM] denzukoatwork2317 given that most that attend a hack-a-thon are; a) just starting their careers, b) just wanting to build a POC that's a value add to their next interview, and/or c) are trying to learn the technology all of which are at some level without the upfront cost / risk of investing their own money. giving them something more than the pen and paper response would go along way to ensuring our continued success with these sorts of things instead of everyone walking away with a negative impression of dms and our committee. [10/4/2019 9:03 AM] james_david_vance We're basically going to do what Brother did, except their constraints were that you had to use their printer and it had to be an app. I'm thinking our constraints are going to be that you have to use the Raspberry Pi and at least one of the four sensors in the kit and we'll have pretty much the same judging criteria as Brother, minus the part about the GUI. [10/4/2019 9:33 AM] denzuko And those judging criteria would be? [10/4/2019 9:37 AM] james_david_vance So I guess I remembered their criteria wrong. Their criteria were originality, market impact, polish, and presentation. I'm thinking ours will be originality, market impact, and completeness. [10/4/2019 9:57 AM] denzuko How would one gauge each one? [10/4/2019 10:07 AM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/629696158989680661/BrotherHackathonRules.pdf?ex=67b93f7f&is=67b7edff&hm=4e5b9a01211d9d5f4902d3974c10ec124be11c944f99927274436fd421c65990& [10/4/2019 10:08 AM] james_david_vance Same as Brother. We would provide a rubdmric with descriptions for each score in each of the three judging criteria. [10/4/2019 2:20 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Doubt we could copy brother's hackathon. Since DMS is not in the business of giving away $4000 to just anyone [10/4/2019 2:21 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Plus they where also looking for a viable product to buy and rebrand as thier own. [10/4/2019 2:21 PM] denzukoatwork2317 What's our end go here with this hack-a-thon? [10/4/2019 2:55 PM] denzukoatwork2317 can we please stick to one convention with the trello board thank you. [10/4/2019 3:46 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Do we have to turn the trello board into a debate on standards as well? [10/4/2019 3:46 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Because if we do then nothing is going to get achieved. Not everything needs to be changed to fit one's own way [10/4/2019 4:30 PM] james_david_vance Do we have to turn the trello board into a debate on standards as well? No [10/4/2019 4:33 PM] james_david_vance What's our end go here with this hack-a-thon? To serve computer geeks and drive engagement in the Hackerspace. {Reactions} 😀 [10/4/2019 4:47 PM] denzukoatwork2317 cool, ok sent you a calendar invite so we can grab some face time and just jot down as much of the requirements we can discover at that time [10/4/2019 4:48 PM] denzukoatwork2317 the end goal is to fill up the backlog with relevant items we can churn through to help us produce this hack-a-thon [10/4/2019 4:59 PM] james_david_vance I'm happy to discuss plans for the hackathon. I'll be at the space tomorrow from about noon to about 6. [10/4/2019 4:59 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Smashing. I got things in the morning so we'll meet up on hangouts [10/4/2019 5:01 PM] james_david_vance Sounds good. Text me when you want to start the hangouts call. [10/5/2019 3:32 PM] denzuko are we still on for the 4pm hangouts? [10/5/2019 3:42 PM] james_david_vance You can text me when you want to start. I'll probably be available until 6. [10/6/2019 8:20 PM] james_david_vance Who do I talk to to replace VCC with Hackerspace on Talk as a category and add Hackerspace to the calendar as a category? [10/6/2019 9:19 PM] denzuko already working on it {Reactions} 👍 [10/8/2019 6:30 PM] james_david_vance @Kevin needs help if anyone knows React.js. just needs to get a mock-up. [10/10/2019 10:36 AM] james_david_vance Brad and I are going to do a walk-through of the items we're going to sell on Saturday at the Garage Sale. The walkthrough will take place 3:00pm - 3:30pm in the Purple Classroom. The Garage Sale is 4pm - 7pm. [10/10/2019 10:37 AM] james_david_vance @denzuko-at-work will you be coming to the garage sale? I want to price the items effectively and I think you can help with that. [10/12/2019 7:46 AM] james_david_vance So apparently, according to the rules, we have to hold another election so that we can present a nomination to the board at the November board of directors meeting. I've already put our October committee meeting on the calendar, but that's sooner that two weeks, so I'm going to create another meeting at least two weeks from today for another election. I'll announce it ok talk and here once it's up. [10/12/2019 7:48 AM] james_david_vance Also, here's the October meeting in case you missed the post on Talk: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/14163 [10/12/2019 7:55 AM] james_david_vance Also, hackerspace@dallasmakerspace.org has been created, so any tasks that rely on that can be started. Sorry for the late notice. [10/12/2019 8:32 AM] james_david_vance We have to have another election because we need to present a nomination at the November Board of Directors meeting. [10/12/2019 8:33 AM] james_david_vance So I created the calendar and wiki entries. [10/12/2019 8:33 AM] james_david_vance And announced it on Talk https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/hackerspace-required-election-for-november-board-approval/63571 [10/12/2019 10:21 PM] denzuko found out well have to gut the payphone and wire up the handset to an old analog phone then we can hook that up to a obi200 for phone service [10/13/2019 12:11 AM] doug.emes I'll donate a Cisco spa112 [10/13/2019 12:12 AM] denzuko Appreciated 👍 [10/13/2019 12:12 AM] doug.emes I'll bring it next time I come up (might be Sunday) otherwise for sure on Tuesday [10/13/2019 12:13 AM] denzuko Cool. Do you need a receipt for the donation? [10/13/2019 12:14 AM] doug.emes Nope [10/13/2019 12:14 AM] doug.emes Off topic only slightly but do you have the free pbx credentials right now [10/13/2019 12:15 AM] denzuko jolly good then. And no, not the one from infrastructure but that should be on the admin wiki [10/13/2019 12:16 AM] doug.emes K [10/13/2019 11:47 AM] james_david_vance I have to miss the meeting on Wednesday. I got invited to an event by Amazon that could lead to a job. The next meeting after Wednesday will be the 30th. Should I schedule another meeting, maybe Tuesday the 22nd? [10/13/2019 11:49 AM] james_david_vance Here are the transaction IDs from yesterday: [10/13/2019 11:50 AM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/632983378328682525/Screenshot_20191012-180807.jpg?ex=67b95775&is=67b805f5&hm=4a71ace474ddf73349bbe99f7465293860fa9a0fc888cba2423cb184e87a17ee& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/632983378337071143/IMG_20191012_174614.jpg?ex=67b95775&is=67b805f5&hm=36db75d093e80d17476c4358374f5e7b9e8af3dc09131a67a2c4d5f6b19ea0c7& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/632983379565871134/IMG_20191012_173319.jpg?ex=67b95775&is=67b805f5&hm=66d6b14128129bb280559e0af95da4a21a17a6297927869e8c2938de6b69e966& [10/13/2019 8:01 PM] james_david_vance The shelf fell down as I was working on it. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/633107067015528459/JPEG_20191013_200106.jpg?ex=67b921e7&is=67b7d067&hm=97f9ee5c393d6982916201f33eb9d8533ad0614dd471692309e3f5062944efa2& [10/13/2019 8:02 PM] james_david_vance Which caused this to happen. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/633107214151712798/JPEG_20191013_200151.jpg?ex=67b9220a&is=67b7d08a&hm=7e1bbb9c5961ca13f5375d29688e8017127a778ad5949885836335e4d64d9f32& [10/13/2019 9:20 PM] denzuko Crap.. [10/13/2019 9:28 PM] yashsedai Mount to studs in future! {Reactions} 👍 [10/14/2019 12:01 PM] nullinterface metal studs - which are surely used in those partition walls - aren't known for their holding power {Reactions} 👍 [10/14/2019 12:03 PM] james_david_vance I think I may have accidentally bumped it upward. Well figure out a long-term solution suitable for use, but for now, it's back up. [10/14/2019 12:04 PM] james_david_vance Also, I moved things around to create more space for activities. [10/14/2019 12:05 PM] james_david_vance I'm not quite finished, but it's getting there. Put in a lot of work last night to improve it. [10/14/2019 2:12 PM] james_david_vance Just so you guys know, I threw away the picture and frame that were scratched, mismatched, and not being displayed. I also threw away the broken magic 8 ball and the "earthquake detector" joke thing that was missing an eye. [10/14/2019 2:14 PM] james_david_vance The committee area needs to be usable, not just viewable. Before yesterday, it wasn't either. Like I said, it still needs some work. But my guiding principle is that everything needs to provide value to computer geeks. I personally don't think we have room for a museum. We can talk about that on the 30th (like I said, I can't make it to the meeting this Wednesday) [10/14/2019 2:20 PM] james_david_vance It is the Dallas Makerspace after all not the Dallas Nostalgia space. I get that in theory people like looking at this stuff, but the only time I've seen someone actually stop by the committee area and appreciate it was Saturday, when a guy and girl were playing with the blue plastic Mac. I don't know what they were actually able to do or learn with it, but that was the only time I've seen that happen. Also @Denzuko.sdf.org @denzuko-at-work, how do the two Android tablets provide value to computer geeks? [10/14/2019 3:09 PM] denzuko we'll talk in person on that [10/14/2019 3:11 PM] james_david_vance Fair enough. I'll be at the space today. I'm teaching a class from 6 to 9, but we can talk about what the Android tablets do and how that provides value to computer geeks before or after. [10/14/2019 5:28 PM] james_david_vance @Denzuko.sdf.org @denzuko-at-work please remove this from the committee area {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/633431068858384394/JPEG_20191014_172836.jpg?ex=67b8fe27&is=67b7aca7&hm=fe20327f2cdd0c54b9f62bee7721a7d47921a1aa4139750a1136f6615ada9fb9& [10/14/2019 5:36 PM] james_david_vance Does anyone know what happened to the IBM Wheelwriter? It looks like this: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/633433021579657248/51eHkUZe5EL._AC_SY400_.jpg?ex=67b8fff8&is=67b7ae78&hm=c79a6f98de61685ae38529b74e479a8d663cd07d6b1b38de05b5fc6ec47882f5& [10/14/2019 7:20 PM] denzuko {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/633459241306554388/JPEG_20191014_192048.jpg?ex=67b91864&is=67b7c6e4&hm=bd98fe948112dddcc8a20144032f5f40500cc0b25bd13606f2cb77aec5c74515& [10/14/2019 7:33 PM] denzuko Didn't see the c128, was that stored away too? [10/16/2019 4:47 PM] mizgeek I love the museum 😢😢😢 [10/16/2019 4:48 PM] james_david_vance @MizGeek When's the last time you visited it? [10/16/2019 4:48 PM] mizgeek Sunday briefly [10/16/2019 4:49 PM] mizgeek I try to stop and see what’s up. It’s like an altar to the evolution of computers. [10/16/2019 4:49 PM] james_david_vance Did you exit out of the south lobby shortly after visiting? Had you just entered through the south lobby before your brief visit? [10/16/2019 4:50 PM] mizgeek Yes... [10/16/2019 4:50 PM] mizgeek I walked through several times on Sunday [10/16/2019 4:51 PM] mizgeek Every time I walk through... they remind me my time isn’t wasted on computers [10/16/2019 4:51 PM] mizgeek Short prayer to the computer gods... [10/16/2019 4:52 PM] mizgeek I first touched a computer about 71 [10/16/2019 4:52 PM] james_david_vance I'm all for decoration, we need geeky stuff, but it shouldn't be the main reason people stop by. Imagine if the main reason people went to the pottery committee area was to appreciate beautiful pieces of pottery. That's juat doesn't fit the mission of the Makerspace or our committee. It's secondary: it's only useful insofar as it serves another goal. [10/16/2019 4:53 PM] mizgeek It reminds us of the past as decoration and cheers us on to the future [10/16/2019 4:53 PM] mizgeek The teal Mac is a beacon [10/16/2019 4:53 PM] james_david_vance We can accomplish that goal while using less space. [10/16/2019 4:54 PM] mizgeek Maybe some kind of compromise. [10/16/2019 4:54 PM] mizgeek What do you need space for that you can’t fit in now? [10/16/2019 4:54 PM] james_david_vance Also, it's not a museum. The name has to go at the very least. [10/16/2019 4:55 PM] mizgeek That’s a compromise. They are dear decoration. [10/16/2019 4:55 PM] james_david_vance We have to do what's most effective for our mission. [10/16/2019 4:56 PM] mizgeek Making a space for geeks includes some decoration [10/16/2019 4:56 PM] james_david_vance We need space for making stuff. Like a makerspace. [10/16/2019 4:56 PM] mizgeek Sterility drives people away [10/16/2019 4:56 PM] james_david_vance Wat can you current make in the committee area? [10/16/2019 4:56 PM] mizgeek Programs!! [10/16/2019 4:56 PM] mizgeek Apps! [10/16/2019 4:57 PM] james_david_vance "I'm all for decoration, we need geeky stuff" -me, about five minutes ago. [10/16/2019 4:57 PM] mizgeek It puts you in the mood to make [10/16/2019 4:59 PM] james_david_vance Maybe it has put you in the mood to make, but when's the last time you made something (or worked on making something) in our committee area? What equipment did you use? [10/16/2019 5:01 PM] mizgeek I haven’t had time, but I look forward to learning apps. Then i just need a chair and inspiration. New grandson has sucked up my time this year... CA ruled for those projects. [10/16/2019 5:01 PM] mizgeek Learning to make apps that is. [10/16/2019 6:16 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @DJ Vance Mizgeek is one of our sysops and committee supporters. She like bill and the other committee members/supports buzz our committee area from time to time to enjoy the hardware and use the tools we offer. [10/16/2019 6:18 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Software cannot exist without hardware, and non of the hardware in the committee area is meant as "decoration" its either going to be functional, made to be functional or get some use. Hence why that IBM typewriter was removed. A member donated it for us to "do something with" we didn't sell it doing the swap meet so it left the inventory. Those Mac's and Commodore machines are highly enjoyed to write retro games on or even use the hardware for different projects. Bill's own 6502 Python interperter was written on both his own emulator and the machines we provided. [10/16/2019 6:20 PM] mizgeek Use whichever argument let’s the hardware stay. 😃 {Reactions} 😃 [10/16/2019 6:21 PM] denzukoatwork2317 What makes us different than starbucks or some co-work space is we offer tools and equipment that people enjoy using and keep coming back to use. if all we offered was things to program then there's no reason for anyone to come to the space and become a long term member. They can go grab a wifi hotspot at any other place for cheeper and even watch master classes at thier own time. [10/16/2019 6:23 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Want numbers to back this up? I've had 10 people in the office asking when we're doing the next meetup. We got at lease another six at the Retro meetup wanting to join or support our committee and one expressly because we did hardware too not just softwaree [10/16/2019 6:23 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Hardware is what brings all the kiddies to the yard and hardware stays. [10/16/2019 6:24 PM] mizgeek What he said. ^^^^ [10/16/2019 6:27 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Besides, one should not snub their nose at the retro tech when they them selves even purchased an 1989's Mac from our own swap meet. [10/16/2019 7:57 PM] denzuko @Patrick up for joining us? [10/16/2019 8:21 PM] denzuko @DJ Vance found the keyboard and mouse for that mac you bought at the swap meet {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/634199221158805554/JPEG_20191016_202022.jpg?ex=67b9268d&is=67b7d50d&hm=3d510fed9ac863548ca3039fcc85409c7f8d01dcfaf9fc8e6fba72d37da9fd14& [10/16/2019 8:21 PM] denzuko I'll stow it away in racky mcrackface [10/16/2019 8:28 PM] mizgeek 👏🏼 [10/16/2019 9:03 PM] denzuko https://photos.app.goo.gl/GHoVMoyEtTguQsRJA {Embed} https://photos.app.goo.gl/GHoVMoyEtTguQsRJA New video by Dwight A. Spencer https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/E1gbGwWWbzxra7jNY7-mt0qKRwn-JS7_-het5oI_dJ8/https/lh3.googleusercontent.com/3VYGYiwNPXq7718JjVuppXbL3i6aaPrTijT42h9vSusXwHI5Fv7y3Qwbp1TfrDegbkMKg9dpkpUZulxCBOVKM7FtbmwMrVxAB_nXGbNVDaE2qYsAmRxmmmIj95sM3ISio5s323j_qQ%3Dw600-h315-p-k-no {Reactions} 👍 (2) [10/16/2019 9:12 PM] james_david_vance @Denzuko.sdf.org Sweet! [10/16/2019 9:16 PM] james_david_vance Love the video and the whiteboard! [10/16/2019 9:18 PM] denzuko been taking a master class on live streaming for the patreon and. YouTube streams [10/16/2019 9:19 PM] denzuko Think I got some work too go but glad you liked it [10/16/2019 9:20 PM] mizgeek Excellent! [10/16/2019 9:24 PM] denzuko Meh.. sound like a stuffy old crow :( guess we can get a voice actor to help out [10/16/2019 9:26 PM] mizgeek Last time I voiced a video, I was told it sounded like porn. They kept my voice. 😆 [10/16/2019 9:27 PM] denzuko lol.. i'd guess one could take that as a compliment :) [10/16/2019 9:28 PM] mizgeek I get that a lot. My dad used to say that I gave good phone. 😮 [10/16/2019 9:30 PM] denzuko : facepalm : [10/16/2019 9:30 PM] denzuko Lol... [10/16/2019 9:45 PM] james_david_vance I think our committee area needs to serve a wider audience than it's currently serving. I think it should be a place where your curiosity can be sparked. Where you can easily get started developing a project with Arduino, Raspberry Pi, or vintage hardware. We should make it as easy as possible for people to come and play in an environment that's ready to go. I also want a lot of knowledge transfer to happen in our committees area. I'm personally willing to go there after work frequently and offer help in areas of software and hardware I'm familiar with. Engaging curious minds. Minds curious about how to write excellent software of all kinds, how to find vulnerabilities in computer system, how to assemble a computer, how to go from idea to release and beyond. Things like that. I think it would be wise to invest in more tabletop/desktop space and set up some Arduino and Raspberry Pi projects that are waiting to be built. [10/18/2019 3:23 PM] lavarocks. How much tabletop space would you have in your area to do this? [10/18/2019 3:24 PM] james_david_vance One sec, let me take some measurements. I also want to work with Education to see if we can share the 3d Fab space [10/18/2019 3:38 PM] james_david_vance The area not taken up by the server rack is 7' x 7' 8" [10/18/2019 4:47 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/634870092835979275/IMG_20191018_164615.jpg?ex=67b8f459&is=67b7a2d9&hm=2e91ecd0c9347e64ba71d532544faf537d6747823a637c4048ea457e8d4ca516& [10/18/2019 4:47 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/634870146548367390/IMG_20191018_164622.jpg?ex=67b8f466&is=67b7a2e6&hm=7920bb58d6f2bb2c7a16536d9514c682bce5c26f5f45e0dbcc10a1504d5a6f4a& [10/18/2019 4:47 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/634870173978853376/IMG_20191018_164546.jpg?ex=67b8f46c&is=67b7a2ec&hm=4b08e36502ec90709053cd1ca9024af648585d54adb4e8ea1acb50484f778ab3& [10/18/2019 5:36 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @DJ Vance, last I heard from Education that 3d fab space is one of their classrooms which would be dedicated as a computer lab. So yes this committee just like any other committee would be able to "share" it just like any other classroom. [10/18/2019 5:55 PM] denzukoatwork2317 hey all, been racking my brain on this all week and can't seem to get the search model to return a results. mind checking it out? [10/18/2019 5:55 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://jsfiddle.net/spencercooper/u3vbzgwn/58/ {Embed} https://jsfiddle.net/spencercooper/u3vbzgwn/58/ Edit fiddle - JSFiddle Test your JavaScript, CSS, HTML or CoffeeScript online with JSFiddle code editor. [10/18/2019 5:56 PM] denzukoatwork2317 the end concept is to programmatically iterate each property in data.services[] and compare to data.search (which is filled in by a text field in the app) if it finds a result in any of the properties then it should return the filtered array with just those objects. ie, type in uat and get example-uat.1 and ...-uat.2; type in ace and get the ace record. type in running and get all with the status === running. basically; omni search [10/18/2019 5:56 PM] denzukoatwork2317 thoughs? [10/18/2019 6:09 PM] james_david_vance You've piqued my curiosity [10/18/2019 6:09 PM] james_david_vance Let me get the requirement correct: [10/18/2019 6:10 PM] james_david_vance basically, you want a function whose signature looks something like this: [10/18/2019 6:12 PM] james_david_vance wait a sec my javascript is rusty [10/18/2019 6:14 PM] james_david_vance function objectsWithMatchingProperties(objects, keyword) [10/18/2019 6:14 PM] james_david_vance and it should return all the objects that have at least one property whose name contains keyword [10/18/2019 6:14 PM] james_david_vance correct? [10/18/2019 6:15 PM] james_david_vance I know how to do this in Swift. It'll take a little bit to do it in JS [10/18/2019 6:26 PM] denzukoatwork2317 yeah basically. filters an array of objects, base on the key's value for all keys but dynamically [10/18/2019 7:13 PM] james_david_vance jesus christ javascript is stupid. [10/18/2019 7:13 PM] james_david_vance for of? really [10/18/2019 7:13 PM] james_david_vance anyway, here's working code if I understood the requirement correctly: [10/18/2019 7:15 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/634907361500200972/filter.js?ex=67b9170e&is=67b7c58e&hm=e5a71ae15e0bab1251867448a245a14ba5dd0f3868cf5970eb505852631f2bf3& [10/19/2019 10:03 AM] denzuko blimmy.. if else truth test on a truthy method. [10/19/2019 10:04 AM] denzuko But at least the refactor of your code got me pondering what Array.every was doing. Turns out one needed to ise Array.some [10/19/2019 10:13 AM] denzuko const filter = (items, search) => items.filter(item => Object.keys(items[0]).some((key) => item[key].includes(search))); [10/19/2019 11:40 AM] james_david_vance Like I said, my JavaScript is rusty. I wasn't aware of truthiness/falsiness. Truthy/falsy values make sense. I don't know how I feel about truthy/falsy methods. Seems like a drawback for readability imo. [10/19/2019 11:42 AM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/635155773416013829/if-javascript-was-a-car-hmmm-610792472.png?ex=67b955a9&is=67b80429&hm=153f7ea95fe08fabec0371ea62fbc6631c3acd15f355e2143f4c4c245f862d07& [10/19/2019 11:57 AM] james_david_vance I think what you meant to do here is: const filter = (items, search) => items.filter(item => Object.keys(item).some((key) => item[key].includes(search))); [10/19/2019 12:09 PM] james_david_vance You might want to improve your code's inefficiency. This is more efficient: const filter = (items, search) => items.filter(item => Object.keys(item).find((key) => item[key].includes(search))); Array.some will find all occurrences that match the criteria. Array.find will find only the first, which is all you need. You want all items that have *at least one* property that contains search. [10/19/2019 2:06 PM] lavarocks. 3d fab space will be a classroom [10/19/2019 10:24 PM] denzuko https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/heres-how-you-can-make-better-use-of-javascript-arrays-3efd6395af3c/ {Embed} https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/heres-how-you-can-make-better-use-of-javascript-arrays-3efd6395af3c/ Here’s how you can make better use of JavaScript arrays by pacdiv Here’s how you can make better use of JavaScript arrays Photo by Ben White on UnsplashQuick read, I promise. Over the last few months, I noticed that the exact same four mistakes kept coming back through the pull requests I checked. I’m also posting this articl... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/AoY9euTnBCpsak9lQLjkYxSLBslgMUxyXLMqr8oq3oc/https/cdn-media-1.freecodecamp.org/images/1%2AIZcJKz3761vChU1VFHfzkw.jpeg [10/19/2019 10:25 PM] denzuko Found the article on fiiter, some, vs fimd [10/20/2019 12:01 AM] james_david_vance @Lavarocks I'm in talks with Education to make an agenda item to put education in the pillar room and put the proposed computer lab in the current 3d Fab space (orange classroom). The proposal will most likely be to have the 3d Fab space have all the normal equipment you'd expect in a computer lab + some special stuff for the Hackerspace committee. I'm thinking Arduinos and Raspberry Pis with accessories and instructions on how to complete a starter project. And I would make myself available for people who want guidance to complete those projects. [10/20/2019 12:02 AM] james_david_vance @doug.emes J want to get you in this discussion. Maybe we should move it to Talk? [10/20/2019 12:07 AM] doug.emes I think talk is a good idea as in engaged the membership. The primary issue is unless we Hve a donor set up for dozens of identical machines, I think the pillar would be better to be an open format classroom until the other expansion construction are done where the added hallway is then neccessary [10/20/2019 4:13 PM] denzuko I did reach out about two years ago with one of my old surpliers for a quote to get new machines for infrastructure. Fairly sure they will be glad to give us a goos deal [10/20/2019 4:59 PM] james_david_vance Let me know if you own something in the Hackerspace area so we can make arrangements for what to do with it. https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/do-you-own-something-thats-in-the-hackerspace-area/63972 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/do-you-own-something-thats-in-the-hackerspace-area/63972 Do you own something that's in the Hackerspace area? VCC and SDC merged into the Hackerspace committee. Our area is in the south lobby. Please let me know if you own something in our area by end of day Sunday, October 27th. We are reimagining the space and don’t want to move your stuff without your consent. Let me know by rep... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/I4_EedIDX0BjqrznQWWDFVury0feLFBlQTwMKQACnF4/https/dms-discourse-static.s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/f/7/f70cced1563c2e6c3aab1a7cbef3cfba5d1983fe.png [10/20/2019 5:07 PM] james_david_vance https://trello.com/b/Zk6VtITe/dms-hackathon {Embed} https://trello.com/b/Zk6VtITe/dms-hackathon Trello Organize anything, together. Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. In one glance, know what's being worked on, who's working on what, and where something is in a process. [10/27/2019 9:19 PM] doug.emes https://www.retrorgb.com/atari-7800-schematics-found-in-dumpster-treasure-trove.html {Embed} SmokeMonster https://www.retrorgb.com/atari-7800-schematics-found-in-dumpster-treasure-trove.html Atari 7800 Schematics Found in Dumpster Treasure Trove Fifty pages of complete engineering schematics for the Atari 7800 and its associated ICs have been released by Curt Vendel, the historian behind the Atari Museum History Project. The documents have circulated among private individuals for years, but this is the first time the... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QgnohBEMs7S07aZzP0GFrM_ibVWsX4-QwWLM0669dB4/https/www.retrorgb.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/folder.jpg [10/28/2019 7:38 AM] denzuko Wow! Thats amazing [10/28/2019 12:32 PM] denzukoatwork2317 though this might be something more vector's kind of area. But, we could build one. slap a ftdi or custom vga as the output, sdcard reader as an input instead of cartridges then maybe challenge people to build homebrew and demoscene for it. What do you think? [10/30/2019 1:32 PM] james_david_vance Check out this vintage computer my Uncle had laying around when I stayed with him in Washington State {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/639169668548132875/IMG_20180322_152026_178.jpg?ex=67b96f64&is=67b81de4&hm=7b003dcbd12a57ee2db7ed4d4d62a17a73657b950bc92bad79d0475d5c60398f& [10/30/2019 6:19 PM] mizgeek On my way. Traffic sucks [10/30/2019 6:24 PM] denzuko got a link to google meeting? [11/4/2019 8:28 AM] denzuko @Deleted User arduino is the picture book of the programming world. Anyone can do it. What are you looking to do with it? [11/4/2019 8:47 AM] Deleted User @Denzuko.sdf.org I have an Arduino Uni with a Seeed relay shield. I have them stacked, and just need to turn all 4 relays on for 10 minutes, twice a day. No lcd, or any way to adjust other than code and upload. [11/4/2019 8:47 AM] Deleted User But I don't understand C++ too terribly well. [11/4/2019 8:59 AM] denzuko it's not c++. Its processing.org. So two questions, 1) hows your JavaScript? 2) which pins are your relays on? Also are the active high or active low? [11/4/2019 9:09 AM] denzuko I ask because your sketch sounds like its going to be 12 lines of simple code. All of which is just to do digitalWrite(...) for each relay (or a shift register then latch that to the relay) then sleep(...) [11/4/2019 9:30 AM] denzukoatwork2317 @Deleted User https://gist.github.com/denzuko/8b868422246401198b875a9ca0f9c9d0 {Embed} https://gist.github.com/denzuko/8b868422246401198b875a9ca0f9c9d0 blinky-4m.sketch GitHub Gist: instantly share code, notes, and snippets. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/v2ToTBFZ7zHPk2sQlBt80EaH2hhwBfD3Zdf1J_uxMxs/https/github.githubassets.com/images/modules/gists/gist-og-image.png [11/4/2019 9:34 AM] denzukoatwork2317 ok, so 24 lines of code without comments. but that should get you started (its not much different than the usual blinky/hello world sketch example). One should just be able to put in the correct pin numbers and upload (if your relays are active high then follow the instructions in the sketch commets) [11/4/2019 9:40 AM] Deleted User @denzuko-at-work so, how would I set in that code for it to turn on for 4 minutes at say, 10am and then 5pm? [11/4/2019 9:40 AM] denzukoatwork2317 refresh it [11/4/2019 9:41 AM] denzukoatwork2317 PAUSEOFF [11/4/2019 9:41 AM] denzukoatwork2317 that's the time delay between triggers. [11/4/2019 9:43 AM] denzukoatwork2317 so 17:00 - 10:00 is 7 hours. one would need to plugin this device in @ 10am and let it run. 12 hours later it would trigger again and pause for another 12 hours but if one just turns it off after the second run and turns it back on at 10am then your going to have the effect your trying [11/4/2019 9:44 AM] denzukoatwork2317 arduino, unless one adds a Real time clock, doesn't know or understand time. [11/4/2019 9:46 AM] denzukoatwork2317 but if one removes line 50 and uses one of these https://www.amazon.com/Century-Digital-Programmable-Packaging-Security/dp/B00MVF16JG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=27OU1XOJAH34L&keywords=timer+plug&qid=1572882315&sprefix=poe+spliter%2Caps%2C159&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzQ1VVMFE1NU5SR0tBJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNzc0ODM5MVkxOVQ2NUJFVFAxRCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNTQzMTc5MjhOOVdENzNRQ1BZSSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU= [11/4/2019 9:46 AM] denzukoatwork2317 then one gets a more automated version of what's highlighted above [11/4/2019 3:47 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @DJ Vance https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/midnight-hacker-ctf-curriculum/64581 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/midnight-hacker-ctf-curriculum/64581 Midnight Hacker CTF Curriculum Read more at: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Infosec_SIG#CTF_Curriculum https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/I4_EedIDX0BjqrznQWWDFVury0feLFBlQTwMKQACnF4/https/dms-discourse-static.s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/f/7/f70cced1563c2e6c3aab1a7cbef3cfba5d1983fe.png [11/4/2019 4:02 PM] denzukoatwork2317 Just putting this out there to make sure everyone is on the same page. If one is looking for a syllabus; that's not how CTFs are ran. This isn't a class its a hands on training session for people that are expected to know a thing or two about how computers work. Yes the material typically is geared to individuals that are not already in the industry but the subjects do cover real world material. Each run has to be different to prevent someone from gaming the event. [11/4/2019 7:52 PM] Deleted User Good lort [11/5/2019 9:50 PM] kentamanos @denzuko-at-work IMO, I don't know why you would say "Arduino isn't C++". It literally takes your .ino file, adds a single include file (#include ) at the beginning, throws on a .cpp at the end and then uses avr-g++ and avr-gcc. You can see this if you go to File/Preferences and Show verbose output during compilation. I feel like they tried to make it seem too simple and hide that it's C++ due to the fear factor. [11/5/2019 11:22 PM] denzuko @Kentamanos dude, I've written vim plugins, makefiles, and a cookiecutter template in the past just to provide that yes one can code arduino from cli. [11/5/2019 11:23 PM] denzuko Yes its using a compiler but its all bytecode in the end. The ide which most see is processing.org [11/5/2019 11:25 PM] denzuko best to be helpful with new guys than scare them off with high tech. And yes I know my devops stuff does that to some too ;) [11/5/2019 11:29 PM] james_david_vance So @Denzuko.sdf.org, you were simply referring to an IDE and Javascript framework from processing.org. An alternative to using .ino files directly. Correct? [11/5/2019 11:30 PM] denzuko Basically. [11/5/2019 11:32 PM] denzuko Most would use the ide anyways since its got a lot of the libraries and drivers already installed plus has the serial debugger backed in. [11/5/2019 11:33 PM] denzuko once one has learned the environment then feel free to go darkside and use c++ and ino files [11/5/2019 11:35 PM] james_david_vance So the "it" in "it's not c++." refers to your suggestion as to what tool SlipKid08 should try. As opposed to Kentamanos' interpretation that "it" referred to Arduino. Correct? [11/5/2019 11:35 PM] yashsedai semantics are annoying [11/5/2019 11:35 PM] james_david_vance Amen [11/5/2019 11:36 PM] yashsedai especially when its semantics for the sake of distinction of opinion [11/5/2019 11:36 PM] james_david_vance Which is why it's super important to be clear with communication. [11/5/2019 11:36 PM] james_david_vance I'm trying to clear things up because it seems like there was a communication issue. [11/5/2019 11:40 PM] kentamanos The language you use to program Arduinos using the IDE which has a processing heritage is C++. That is what I am saying. The original question was a guy wanting to program Arduinos and mentioned he didn't know C++ too well. [11/5/2019 11:42 PM] james_david_vance https://playground.arduino.cc/Interfacing/Processing/ [11/5/2019 11:44 PM] denzuko ok... sure. Hows Backus–Naur work for everyone? it's not c++ := "arduino's sketch language is a domain specific language in processing.org. calling it c++ confuses new arduino users into thinking one needs a degree or experience programming to understand when arduino is designed for common non programmers to pick up much like JavaScript use to be for html 3." [11/5/2019 11:44 PM] kentamanos That's about how to get an Arduino to talk to a procesing environment [11/5/2019 11:44 PM] kentamanos Telling them it's not C++ makes them think they can't easily use existing libraries too 🙂 [11/5/2019 11:45 PM] kentamanos It's literally C++ missing some of the standard library I am sure [11/5/2019 11:46 PM] james_david_vance You guys have fun arguing 😴 https://media.tenor.com/images/ab44e76cac0f64954434fee0a1f10b11/tenor.gif {Embed} https://media.tenor.com/images/ab44e76cac0f64954434fee0a1f10b11/tenor.gif https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Y4h33pDsXwpC6EcbSFnMDNUChnZTiW3ymmMrAsDiXqQ/https/media.tenor.com/images/ab44e76cac0f64954434fee0a1f10b11/tenor.gif [11/5/2019 11:46 PM] denzuko @Kentamanos your not wrong, but still anyone saying, im not good at x is really saying this seems to technical and I like some help [11/5/2019 11:47 PM] denzuko @DJ Vance thanks for mediating [11/5/2019 11:48 PM] denzuko Sometimes smart people just got to debate :) and the older they are it happens more. How else are we going to earn our bastard operator of the year awards [11/5/2019 11:56 PM] kentamanos I've literally heard someone in the electronics room tell someone else that the "Arduino language" is "closer to Java" which makes absolutely ZERO sense to me. I'll admit it's a pet peeve of mine. I'd rather people look at the "Blink" sketch, know it's C++ and then think "that doesn't look so difficult". 🙂 [11/5/2019 11:59 PM] denzuko True. My JavaScript alagory isn't much better either. I think everyone comes at it from a different point of view which helps sometimes but in the end we all get to the same point. [11/6/2019 12:00 AM] denzuko Which reminds me, has anyone been watching the youtube videos on how to build a 6502 computer? [11/6/2019 12:03 AM] denzuko Ben eater has been putting out some great stuff lately and I've finally got my answer too how does a computer works at an electronics level [11/6/2019 5:42 PM] denzukoatwork2317 ok.. just had to drop this: https://github.com/AdvancedNewbie/rubberDigi {Embed} https://github.com/AdvancedNewbie/rubberDigi AdvancedNewbie/rubberDigi Converts Rubber Ducky scripts to arduino code that can run on the DigiSpark ATtiny85 USB device. - AdvancedNewbie/rubberDigi https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/TWjPGByQY6Xy_QZAbx0xMr8HK426hXUMSSr_y6gDOg4/%3Fs%3D400%26v%3D4/https/avatars3.githubusercontent.com/u/6255474 [11/6/2019 5:43 PM] denzukoatwork2317 have fun... }:D [11/8/2019 7:59 PM] james_david_vance @Denzuko.sdf.org @denzuko-at-work When's the next CTF? [11/9/2019 11:39 AM] denzuko on the board for awhile, but forgot about it at our committee meeting [11/9/2019 11:39 AM] denzuko Bit.ly/32vISq4 [11/9/2019 11:41 AM] denzuko Got some presententers coming and there's a live national hackathon event we're streaming into [11/9/2019 11:43 AM] james_david_vance The presenters are coming to DMS for this today? [11/9/2019 11:43 AM] denzuko On a personal note, these long oncall shifts are disruptive so hard to reply instantly. Should be off on call in a week unless we loose another team member. [11/9/2019 11:44 AM] denzuko yes, jack is scheduled for today [11/9/2019 11:44 AM] james_david_vance Sweet! [11/9/2019 11:45 AM] james_david_vance Is he going to present in the common room? [11/9/2019 11:45 AM] denzuko He's got some details from a recent cyber security case that hes wanting to discuss at a high level. [11/9/2019 11:46 AM] denzuko Not sure, only place we could get on the calendar but im sure there's a class room open by now [11/9/2019 11:46 AM] james_david_vance How many people have registered? [11/9/2019 11:48 AM] denzuko Three official, one non member and there should be some guys frim dallas hacker association, 2600, and infragard there [11/9/2019 11:49 AM] james_david_vance Cool [11/9/2019 11:50 AM] denzuko best that everyone has keybase, kali, metamask, and signal setup ahead of time. [11/9/2019 1:01 PM] james_david_vance So we're going to be contributing to the projects listed here, right? https://www.aaronswartzday.org/ {Embed} lisa https://www.aaronswartzday.org/ Projects To Hack On – At A Hackathon Or At Home [11/9/2019 1:02 PM] james_david_vance I'm going to see if there's something I can work on here: https://github.com/OpenArchive/Save-app-ios {Embed} https://github.com/OpenArchive/Save-app-ios OpenArchive/Save-app-ios Secure Mobile Media Preservation. Contribute to OpenArchive/Save-app-ios development by creating an account on GitHub. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tlT7TjwHkm3Ktrz299H4Pcb-mIKPrE3eHsaAnzflsL8/https/repository-images.githubusercontent.com/136347834/ec545100-f041-11e9-9ce5-a3eae77abfc6 [11/9/2019 1:06 PM] denzuko cool. Ill need everyone's order so it can be onsite in time [11/9/2019 1:06 PM] denzuko Jimmy johns or dominos [11/9/2019 1:06 PM] james_david_vance ? [11/9/2019 1:06 PM] james_david_vance Oh! Sweet [11/9/2019 1:07 PM] denzuko might be able to pull off bobba tea if its not too expensive [11/9/2019 1:08 PM] james_david_vance I could go for some Jimmy John's [11/9/2019 1:10 PM] james_david_vance #4 Turkey Tom on 9-Grain would be excellent [11/9/2019 4:17 PM] denzuko5245 For those at home: https://gitter.im/aaron-swartz-day/community [11/9/2019 4:18 PM] denzuko5245 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz {Embed} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz Aaron Swartz Aaron Hillel Swartz (November 8, 1986 – January 11, 2013) was an American computer programmer, entrepreneur, writer, political organizer, and Internet hacktivist. He was involved in the development of the web feed format RSS, the Markdown publishing format, the organization... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KY6UyxM4XUXrMBrUJ_lCUvuIeqxZB1Tct3janP8mFpA/https/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/26/Aaron_Swartz_2_at_Boston_Wikipedia_Meetup%252C_2009-08-18.jpg/1200px-Aaron_Swartz_2_at_Boston_Wikipedia_Meetup%252C_2009-08-18.jpg [11/9/2019 6:37 PM] denzuko5245 https://kandelvijaya.com/2016/10/25/precisiontiminginios/ {Embed} https://kandelvijaya.com/2016/10/25/precisiontiminginios/ Precision Timing in iOS & Swift A comparison of fast and precise timing API for Swift. [11/9/2019 7:49 PM] denzuko5245 found this while digging around.. [11/9/2019 7:49 PM] denzuko5245 https://www.engadget.com/2007/07/15/turn-your-apple-iie-into-a-linux-terminal/ {Embed} https://www.engadget.com/2007/07/15/turn-your-apple-iie-into-a-linux-terminal/ Turn your Apple IIe into a Linux terminal As he even points out, this isn't the first time this has been done, but Quag7 has written up a very detailed, simple, and often hilarious (I feel the same way... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/1Yg2DcXKr_9rqqD4H9Iz7n79QQitJWw6LbBaSRzJPmk/%3Fthumbnail%3D1200%252C630%26quality%3D80%26image_uri%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.blogcdn.com%252Fwww.tuaw.com%252Fmedia%252F2007%252F07%252Fapple2e-linuxlogo-320.jpg%26client%3Damp-blogside-v2%26signature%3D76f36873a3478255a74519d7f2154425317a9a31/https/o.aolcdn.com/images/dims [11/9/2019 7:50 PM] denzuko5245 https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/10797/my-raspberry-pi-modded-apple-iie {Embed} https://retropie.org.uk/forum/topic/10797/my-raspberry-pi-modded-apple-iie My Raspberry Pi Modded Apple IIe I am finally posting pics as i am mostly done with it. @ortsac @mediamogul i am tagging you guys. first off is the inside of the cpu. here you can see i chopped off part of the motherboard to reuse. i had to replace the 2 tape headphone jacks with ones t... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uK1zIeW5-t0qqPjxT1iLulmndq1UQwmZqZEHW8vgU5A/https/retropie.org.uk/forum/uploads/profile/1849-profileimg.png [11/9/2019 8:05 PM] denzuko5245 Ok guys, I'll catch you all around. Calling it a night. [11/10/2019 2:35 PM] mizgeek I’m behind on your links. Delayed due to cold. 😱 [11/10/2019 2:35 PM] mizgeek I love your links. 👾 [11/10/2019 5:12 PM] james_david_vance 😂 PowerPoint Programming: https://youtu.be/_3loq22TxSc {Embed} Tom Wildenhain https://youtu.be/_3loq22TxSc Great Impractical Ideas in Computer Science: PowerPoint Programming Recording of a guest lecture I gave for the Esoteric Programming Languages course at CMU. Original PowerPoint Turing Machine video: https://youtu.be/sdkxWqsk... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/MF9v9h244dPbfcWQ2mFEnp-pJptLUieE2NOW6AFpqOI/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/_3loq22TxSc/maxresdefault.jpg [11/11/2019 10:47 AM] denzukoatwork2317 oh don't forget Excel is turing complete [11/11/2019 10:47 AM] denzukoatwork2317 http://www.felienne.com/archives/2974 {Embed} felienne http://www.felienne.com/archives/2974 Excel Turing Machine This weekend, I went on a get away with some fellow developers of Devnology. We do this every year, drinking beer, talking about programming, and often also, programming. This year I had even more … https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/psmh7R1ppvRjFBSejdiztFEGf9mH3d-k6LcL663G9xY/http/farm3.staticflickr.com/2891/9787918315_5c81982211.jpg [11/11/2019 11:04 AM] james_david_vance Yeah one of my professors in college made a turing machine with Excel and demoed it [11/11/2019 11:05 AM] james_david_vance I just wasn't expecting PowerPoint lol [11/11/2019 11:49 AM] denzukoatwork2317 I'm fairly sure there's a way to make wordpad turing complete too [11/11/2019 11:49 AM] denzukoatwork2317 😸 [11/11/2019 11:58 AM] james_david_vance Interesting [11/11/2019 12:14 PM] denzukoatwork2317 https://www.tenforums.com/general-support/81484-odd-question-possible-link-files-wordpad-notepad.html#post987355 {Embed} https://www.tenforums.com/general-support/81484-odd-question-possible-link-files-wordpad-notepad.html Odd question? Is it possible to link files to wordpad or notepad? ... Okay here's what I'm trying to do but don't know how or even if its possible. I want to make my files for movies more unique. What I'm trying to do is place a image of the show I want and then name th [11/11/2019 12:15 PM] denzukoatwork2317 since there's links; there's jumps and the document itself is just a store of data [11/11/2019 12:15 PM] denzukoatwork2317 the mouse and cursor becomes the pointer to the current instructuion [11/11/2019 12:20 PM] james_david_vance Lol [11/11/2019 8:20 PM] denzuko5245 Unix on C64 [11/11/2019 8:20 PM] denzuko5245 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtlAOdJmeDI {Embed} VCF Midwest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtlAOdJmeDI GeckOS: a Unix-like 6502 operating system | VCFMW 2019 GeckOS is a 6502 operating system by André Fachat with preemptive multi-tasking, signals, semaphores, redirection, a standard library, and its own relocatabl... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/tl12NCPrNUxDCG3AFHxncXmtyKgbRPZ-f3T_3ZpHPQU/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/jtlAOdJmeDI/maxresdefault.jpg [11/11/2019 8:30 PM] denzuko5245 starting to get the sense of why x86 these days [11/11/2019 8:31 PM] denzuko5245 or why avr for that matter [11/12/2019 10:02 AM] denzuko Hey @Frostfyre [11/12/2019 10:37 AM] frostmud Hey den!!!! [11/12/2019 2:57 PM] denzuko How you been? [11/12/2019 7:52 PM] doug.emes @raffi you here tonight? [11/12/2019 7:53 PM] james_david_vance No, not tonight [11/12/2019 7:57 PM] doug.emes Ahh sale and I are here [11/12/2019 7:57 PM] doug.emes Dale [11/12/2019 7:58 PM] doug.emes Wanted to test out a board [11/12/2019 8:04 PM] james_david_vance I would go but it costs me about $15 each way to and from DMS from my apartment and Iow on money. I'll be there tomorrow though. [11/12/2019 8:14 PM] doug.emes Understood. It's really far for him but don't worry. [11/13/2019 4:52 PM] frostmud Den, I’ve been good. I’m just really busy with work. Good to be here. [11/16/2019 3:26 AM] denzuko5245 glad to have you around. been busy myself as well since we're now starting to train our NOC team and I've been oncall for the past few weeks. [11/16/2019 3:27 AM] denzuko5245 though I hear your into collecting / trading old tech. Wasn't there an apple you were telling me about? [11/21/2019 2:45 PM] andrew5152 so for you web folks out there...what's 2019's 'cPanel' for "enterprise lite" management of user, "ftp", virtual private server management in the freeware segment (i.e. free to install/run on my own 'box' to manage doling out resources to a couple hundred of my closest friends, mostly for giggles, no $$ worries)? [11/22/2019 9:45 PM] denzuko5245 docker and portainer [11/22/2019 10:03 PM] denzuko5245 no seriously, portainer becomes the dashboard/control system where one can offer 'server bundle' for users and docker itself can run the x virtual server. https://www.sftpplus.com/articles/2019/trial-version-on-docker-hub-and-openshift.html is a good article on sftp but overall the structure comes: 1. use docker-machine to provision virtual machines (internal/community hardware) or dedicated. (can be turned into an CICD job or an on demand thing with user signup for automation) 2. use a stack like https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/datagrid/blob/master/docker-compose.yml and point the app templates end point config to something like: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/software-library 3. Deploy something like killbill.io with ldap integration as one's billing, accounting, and user management. http://killbill.io/blog/having-fun-with-docker-stripe-and-kill-bill-v2/ There's a wide range of versatility in this and one also gets a means to tie in things like sematext/tick stack, function-as-a-service, autoscaling, auto updates, and more. If one wants to go full VM and container based offerings then there's devstack/openstack. {Embed} https://www.sftpplus.com/articles/2019/trial-version-on-docker-hub-and-openshift.html HTTPS, FTPS, and SFTP with Docker and OpenShift SFTPPlus provides on-premise server and client cross platform solutions for encrypted managed file transfer using SFTP/FTPS/HTTPS protocols. Enterprise secure data transfer with additional audit and automation for regulatory & corporate compliance across multi platforms inclu... {Embed} https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/datagrid/blob/master/docker-compose.yml Dallas-Makerspace/datagrid Smart home technology for makerspaces and hackerspaces. - Dallas-Makerspace/datagrid https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ITo4w4d0AAbib6KoqFCWr28DlNpOEUOWzQMSxDMvYw8/%3Fs%3D400%26v%3D4/https/avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/920460 {Embed} https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/software-library Dallas-Makerspace/software-library App Templates used by Portainer.io. Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/software-library development by creating an account on GitHub. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ITo4w4d0AAbib6KoqFCWr28DlNpOEUOWzQMSxDMvYw8/%3Fs%3D400%26v%3D4/https/avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/920460 {Embed} Pierre-Alexandre Meyer http://killbill.io/blog/having-fun-with-docker-stripe-and-kill-bill-v2/ [Updated] Having fun with Docker, Stripe and Kill Bill - Kill Bill One of our most popular blog posts is Having fun with Docker, Stripe and Kill Bill, where we showed how easy it is to leverage the powerful subscription engine offered by Kill Bill while delegating payments to Stripe. A lot has happened over the past 18 months: tools like doc... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PfZDMWvocQXSqeMsDlv-4URl4-pYyoowBHYGs0cTedY/http/killbill.io/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/docker1.png {Reactions} 👍 [11/23/2019 12:27 PM] andrew5152 reading up now... Thank you! [11/23/2019 6:08 PM] denzuko 👍 [11/28/2019 8:18 PM] denzuko5245 Ok guys, find the hidden message https://gist.github.com/denzuko/08d39b8e4ee6dcb14787471f573e0065 {Embed} https://gist.github.com/denzuko/08d39b8e4ee6dcb14787471f573e0065 Nov.25-challenge.py GitHub Gist: instantly share code, notes, and snippets. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/v2ToTBFZ7zHPk2sQlBt80EaH2hhwBfD3Zdf1J_uxMxs/https/github.githubassets.com/images/modules/gists/gist-og-image.png [11/28/2019 8:20 PM] denzuko5245 Hope you guys remember your hex tables and color codes [11/28/2019 8:23 PM] denzuko5245 by the way, I got a few gameboys and it would be cool to get them on wifi [11/28/2019 8:24 PM] denzuko5245 https://hackaday.io/project/20769-wifi-game-boy-cartridge {Embed} https://hackaday.io/project/20769-wifi-game-boy-cartridge WIFI Game Boy Cartridge Using the Game Boy as a remote control is a childhood dream of mine. Having it connected to the web was later on on the top of the list of things I wanted to have for this sweet machine. So that's what I'am aiming at: control stuff over the web with a Game Boy.Or may be war d... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/nSKD_W97uIvVhstZaEf0Ys9JCmE6Er0FT9hUHHuoBRs/https/cdn.hackaday.io/images/resize/600x600/8690591492589387575.jpg [11/28/2019 9:25 PM] denzuko5245 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC008MpfclY6ap-QGzoTMNKg/feed {Embed} https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC008MpfclY6ap-QGzoTMNKg/feed JackTech https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/2Zsjs8-GugrHo5oSew8POn9WxFH2kHj8isxoQIscX70/https/yt3.ggpht.com/a/AGF-l79I8BdynBA33plCuxbLAg6KJuZJg_aIPi3KnQ%3Ds900-c-k-c0xffffffff-no-rj-mo [12/3/2019 7:10 PM] denzuko5245 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaX6IkiBXVk {Embed} Curt Rowlett https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaX6IkiBXVk Phone Phreaking: Calling Project MF via landline telephone Links to get you started: Phone Phreaking: Project MF Demo: https://youtu.be/-IQalohHEuI Phone Phreaking & Telephone Strangeness Playlist: https://www.youtub... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ys6hUzy30bkKBxJkDubZnYpLWaLI9RR6F9us1JNcbVE/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/SaX6IkiBXVk/maxresdefault.jpg {Reactions} ❤️ [12/5/2019 12:43 PM] james_david_vance Our next committee meeting will be the 30th of December [12/5/2019 12:43 PM] james_david_vance https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/edit/14745 [12/5/2019 12:43 PM] james_david_vance https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Meeting_20191230 {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Meeting_20191230 Hackerspace Meeting 20191230 [12/5/2019 12:44 PM] james_david_vance I'm going to post it on Talk as well [12/5/2019 4:33 PM] mizgeek Bah... I’ll be in Vegas. I know... rough life. 😄 [12/5/2019 4:34 PM] james_david_vance You can always join via Discord if you can't be there physically [12/5/2019 4:34 PM] mizgeek After Vegas, we have a week long cruise [12/5/2019 4:34 PM] mizgeek I will 😎 {Reactions} 👍 (2) [12/6/2019 10:43 AM] denzukoatwork2317 30th of December, I might just be able to physically attend [12/6/2019 10:44 AM] denzukoatwork2317 too bad its not the 31's of December. We could have done a new years celeberation [12/6/2019 12:25 PM] james_david_vance Anyone can schedule committee meetings, not just the chair. If you do so, you are required to give two weeks notice and I believe you're required to post on Talk. In addition to that, I ask that you post something on Discord as well. [12/6/2019 6:30 PM] doug.emes Correct tion. 2 weeks notice for elections {Reactions} 👍 [12/6/2019 8:09 PM] james_david_vance But it looks like the minimum in terms of notice for all committee meetings is 5 days. At least that's how I interpret this: "The Chair may hold an emergency Committee meeting with 5 days notice on the forums of DMS, and on signs conspicuously posted in the committee area, provided a good faith effort to notify all current committee members is performed, and that the time of the meeting is not unreasonably restrictive on the members" [12/6/2019 8:25 PM] denzuko Committee events not business related can be at any time and a best practice is two weeks notice but 3 days tends to work too [12/6/2019 8:27 PM] denzuko myself though, I'm. Hinting at a committee holiday party ;) [12/6/2019 8:27 PM] james_david_vance I'm down [12/6/2019 8:27 PM] james_david_vance I feel like New Year's eve would be good if there isn't already a DMS event [12/6/2019 8:28 PM] james_david_vance It's a Tuesday unfortunately [12/6/2019 8:28 PM] denzuko Never one officially and the byob ban makes it hard to do [12/6/2019 8:28 PM] james_david_vance so people will have work the next day [12/6/2019 8:32 PM] denzuko well hopefully we can get more interested, I do have a vintage brut to share if we do have it [12/6/2019 8:33 PM] james_david_vance Go for it. I might not be able to make it depending on what time you decide to have it. [12/25/2019 2:06 AM] denzuko5245 Happy Yule guys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-J4fJ85ARs {Embed} Demoscene Archive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-J4fJ85ARs Maniacs of Noise (MoN) - Happy H. Christmas (10 Hour Version) Demoscene Archive:.' No Risk, No Fun! Forever Demo. Platform:.' DOS fasttraker Group: Maniacs of Noise (MoN) DSA 10-hour version Music: Drax (Thomas Mogensen) Title:.' Happy H. Christmas Type:.' Musikdisk Year:.' 1999 Notes:.' This was released to the public that same yea... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/paGe2bzncVbERzHwRcdae7T2eyCcDbz46fiPkEnDDM8/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/y-J4fJ85ARs/maxresdefault.jpg [12/25/2019 3:23 PM] mizgeek Happy Yule! [12/30/2019 3:33 PM] james_david_vance Reminder that the December committee meeting is today. Details here: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/14745 [12/30/2019 3:33 PM] james_david_vance We'll be discussing a reorganization of the committee area. [12/30/2019 3:33 PM] james_david_vance The agenda, which is also linked in the calendar entry, is here: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Meeting_20191230 {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Hackerspace_Meeting_20191230 Hackerspace Meeting 20191230 [12/30/2019 7:06 PM] doug.emes At home [12/30/2019 7:06 PM] doug.emes Can I virtually attend, otherwise Raffi take my strong proxy which will expire Jan 1 2020 [12/30/2019 7:15 PM] james_david_vance We're in the #general-2 channel [12/30/2019 7:15 PM] james_david_vance You can join with voice [12/30/2019 7:15 PM] james_david_vance Please announce yourself when you join [12/30/2019 7:21 PM] james_david_vance #computer-committee We're live, sharing the screen in general-2 [1/1/2020 12:19 AM] mizgeek Sorry I missed it. Was flying to Vegas during the meeting. [1/1/2020 9:01 AM] denzukoatwork2317 finally!! computer committee. gees only took us how long to get it done? 'ell how many times did I bring this up at committee meetings. either way glad we're focusing on the right things now. [1/1/2020 9:02 AM] james_david_vance @denzuko-at-work Anyone can submit an agenda item. [1/1/2020 9:03 AM] denzukoatwork2317 I missed it because, well tring to see if this round of committee members actually can come together and looks like we're getting the mark. that and well some stuff at home. Might have a new nephew any day now 😄 [1/1/2020 9:06 AM] denzukoatwork2317 @DJ Vance just streight out saying that I'm talking about events that has popped up for a few years now and the political jocking from everyone that wanted to lead from the sidelines but never contribute to the committee and the community around it. But that's neither here or there. Gald we're getting on target now. [1/1/2020 9:08 AM] denzukoatwork2317 _looking hopeful at the community and tries suppress ones founder syndrome_ [1/1/2020 9:11 AM] james_david_vance Thanks to everyone who came out for the meeting. It went way over an hour, but I think we made a lot of progress. And Happy New Year! May everyone's 2020 be golden! 🌟 {Reactions} 😄 👍 [1/1/2020 9:18 AM] denzukoatwork2317 just a heads up, https://www.reddit.com/r/Piratebox/comments/dy75r5/adding_mikrotik_and_ipfs_support/ that's and frostmud's redesign is going to be my coding focus this month so expect to see a few challenges pop up on the ctf around IPFS and MUDs {Embed} https://www.reddit.com/r/Piratebox/comments/dy75r5/adding_mikrotik_and_ipfs_support/ Adding Mikrotik and IPFS support It's my hope to breathing new life into the project with new docker images and porting to mikrotik routers. I still believe in this project and... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/DYv-1KOVS1hDH2lHq4qyuIlvn5PQalUlBvrbDsR1vvE/%3Fwidth%3D88%26height%3D46.0732984293%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dcf5e5e1f208d42d1110c6dd95bc148313a3f09fd/https/external-preview.redd.it/aEVrrVl1VS8cN9SpasHCkD2hEcKlNgMKyxj-JdpDq_U.jpg [1/1/2020 9:18 AM] denzukoatwork2317 might also have something in there from UUCP 😉 [1/1/2020 9:49 AM] denzukoatwork2317 https://github.com/ffuf/ffuf {Embed} https://github.com/ffuf/ffuf ffuf/ffuf Fast web fuzzer written in Go. Contribute to ffuf/ffuf development by creating an account on GitHub. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/TIU68PLaITpYELHg1owIsUB-vRozpukLdFhxyq9FRKA/%3Fs%3D400%26v%3D4/https/avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/42502069 [1/9/2020 1:55 AM] johntron0 Added some docs for how the calendar works: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar/pull/115 {Embed} https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar/pull/115 docs: Adds info on how the calendar works by johntron · Pull Requ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ITo4w4d0AAbib6KoqFCWr28DlNpOEUOWzQMSxDMvYw8/%3Fs%3D400%26v%3D4/https/avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/920460 [1/9/2020 1:56 AM] johntron0 I was thinking it'd be nice to add a webdav/caldav view, but I'm not familiar with the tech stack, so this is a starting point. [1/9/2020 3:37 PM] denzukoatwork2317 @DJ Vance no critization was being implied. I'm generally asking the chair of the commit about the status of an action item that was discussed last year [1/9/2020 4:09 PM] denzukoatwork2317 especially since there's books and a few equipment n there that the committee would need and originally purchased for classes [1/9/2020 4:48 PM] james_david_vance Okay, my bad, I thought you were talking about the bins and shelving we discussed at the previous meeting. Apparently you were talking about drawers to go into the rack. My apologies. I think you can see how that message could be misinterpreted, though. [1/9/2020 4:51 PM] james_david_vance So I'll be at the space Saturday. I'm gonna make it an all day thing. I have a prior commitment for which I need to be on Skype from 4-6pm, but I'll be moving stuff from the warehouse from around 12pm to 9pm outside of that. [1/10/2020 9:51 AM] mizgeek Sorry I can’t help. We left town on the 30th and don’t return until the 16th. [1/10/2020 10:32 AM] denzukoatwork2317 I'll be there tonight. The "important" items on those pallets will be moved into the rack (we can clean that up as we go and if we need the capital then say so I'll order the items myself and have them shipped over night. Same goes for the wall shelving for the books) {Reactions} 👍 [1/10/2020 7:46 PM] doug.emes Hope some of yall can make Sunday bod meeting [1/11/2020 12:31 PM] james_david_vance Dwight, I saw you moving stuff yesterday. Thank you [1/11/2020 2:36 PM] james_david_vance I'm going to post pics of everything I'm putting on the freebie shelf so if you want to pick it up and take it home you can do so [1/11/2020 2:36 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665655266515353618/JPEG_20200111_143620.jpg?ex=67b8e3c6&is=67b79246&hm=7113cb1c9a73c491edfe5be5e6877dd0bc62acc57ebb74a59d46938be56ffb3e& [1/11/2020 2:36 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665655396312285225/JPEG_20200111_143652.jpg?ex=67b8e3e5&is=67b79265&hm=9e2a2156ea8f4f27d8d75804cb67aa743c8fa4e9fa95c1bb8bd2b5f75cc15362& [1/11/2020 2:37 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665655659848663060/JPEG_20200111_143754.jpg?ex=67b8e424&is=67b792a4&hm=e444c5db105d61fe46cc5b0eeedbeaed1233515b37f59d42a3f042a6a505d08e& [1/11/2020 2:38 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665655730380079104/JPEG_20200111_143811.jpg?ex=67b8e435&is=67b792b5&hm=08e522272bf3628a1638e63c10c12cdc6aece6acaadc2701d202626a9046f35f& [1/11/2020 2:38 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665655856544874503/JPEG_20200111_143841.jpg?ex=67b8e453&is=67b792d3&hm=cc9c9f3c872eb486474788f5897f943338f129c40de7a2a374124a973f35795a& [1/11/2020 2:39 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665655954695651357/JPEG_20200111_143901.jpg?ex=67b8e46a&is=67b792ea&hm=3dcf28a891eab8b3fcca2bc2d86aa7abf465be6e31cc9f9a35c4a58b92bedacb& [1/11/2020 2:39 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665656044747489310/JPEG_20200111_143917.jpg?ex=67b8e480&is=67b79300&hm=febe98918b7885b6bac8c8b2949768cc1157ffd3fdf2e23a134aaa7101dfc1b8& [1/11/2020 2:39 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665656169641279488/JPEG_20200111_143940.jpg?ex=67b8e49e&is=67b7931e&hm=8a715217d5575ed1cab2ce1df6925f5afbd4e863a0b73744547f63174283a1f7& [1/11/2020 2:40 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665656215132438541/JPEG_20200111_144005.jpg?ex=67b8e4a8&is=67b79328&hm=dd684353fc6f94f5694bd5d30e7d8860e8730ee8de048c32ad18153b2a306178& [1/11/2020 2:40 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665656272359784468/JPEG_20200111_144019.jpg?ex=67b8e4b6&is=67b79336&hm=7355f72f989447a5e4283fd2896a5f66bbc58b3b247163138e12274147426982& [1/11/2020 2:40 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665656306291572781/JPEG_20200111_144029.jpg?ex=67b8e4be&is=67b7933e&hm=8f27eb5b018dd558d332491a4f0e7b76406037673520fd36f2f481e173806868& [1/11/2020 2:41 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665656464555245601/JPEG_20200111_144044.jpg?ex=67b8e4e4&is=67b79364&hm=7dbe47b922a7169243cf8045cb55ae8dd4a4648623d3972166df60a5e4c008bb& [1/11/2020 2:42 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665656721376673812/JPEG_20200111_144123.jpg?ex=67b8e521&is=67b793a1&hm=a3606696e318a114f358d4eb17e95b265d92b585033d2c0193591bc96fcec051& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665656721376673814/JPEG_20200111_144136.jpg?ex=67b8e521&is=67b793a1&hm=8369dc089db00dddd04fafd76f21c7fd7472775e5e0b19328966bbbd52b44cd5& [1/11/2020 2:44 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665657205445361675/JPEG_20200111_144402.jpg?ex=67b8e595&is=67b79415&hm=03c182d7c37d32b35878fafbcb8b98c7bd66a4fad403e3386f21ff52cb3c1cdb& [1/11/2020 2:44 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665657300890943518/JPEG_20200111_144423.jpg?ex=67b8e5ab&is=67b7942b&hm=5bd43f4d46ab5a4c620bc3a504dc6077c6bd2e6742da822a43a83cb4e94e2e62& [1/11/2020 2:44 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665657358449508362/JPEG_20200111_144440.jpg?ex=67b8e5b9&is=67b79439&hm=739469f54663bd2f0254a6651f5e50bce74c3e65fc0b1f997e801a4004ef82e3& [1/11/2020 2:45 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665657549575421966/JPEG_20200111_144525.jpg?ex=67b8e5e7&is=67b79467&hm=f68a9e448082558810d895173c72b36dfde11669f7519b633d562f6043c43061& [1/11/2020 2:46 PM] sewingstuff2561 I like how you are putting a bunch of trash on the free shelf that will have to be dumpstered tomorrow instead of just taking it to the dumpster. [1/11/2020 2:46 PM] james_david_vance If anyone wants to tell me why something shouldn't be put on the freebie shelf, I will listen and maybe put it in the committee area [1/11/2020 2:47 PM] james_david_vance @SewingStuff if it were trash, I'd be upset too [1/11/2020 2:48 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665658399261720577/JPEG_20200111_144846.jpg?ex=67b8e6b1&is=67b79531&hm=fef87955330f9412cb91c932fa24e666a9ba47a62859ae04e55c692d96be8bea& [1/11/2020 2:50 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665658717064396805/JPEG_20200111_145003.jpg?ex=67b8e6fd&is=67b7957d&hm=e51ab3ae7c223491b0c9dad367990dfc96fbeeddfb236f5cf1297919b6fe5afd& [1/11/2020 2:50 PM] sewingstuff2561 Why aren’t you selling any of those treasures? Oh. Yeah. [1/11/2020 2:51 PM] james_david_vance @SewingStuff because I don't think they're worth the hassle [1/11/2020 2:51 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665659039228624937/JPEG_20200111_145120.jpg?ex=67b8e74a&is=67b795ca&hm=f1c9bea9380f3a771b72759950c2ce108ec865bb7152297221b90cab990d1e85& [1/11/2020 2:51 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665659102835245066/JPEG_20200111_145135.jpg?ex=67b8e759&is=67b795d9&hm=d0a9594ef9674e3ae701e21b46442a5070557dffbc84a200cfeb1b7ba4787f88& [1/11/2020 2:53 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665659697931485204/JPEG_20200111_145355.jpg?ex=67b8e7e7&is=67b79667&hm=f2afbc42cdb943286a3cd3906518856e3876fcb1693302658ae63fb62c388d0b& [1/11/2020 2:57 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665660568006295571/JPEG_20200111_145723.jpg?ex=67b8e8b6&is=67b79736&hm=a0d7401c3a6f35347cead5c7bc3835b19340d7d2d01c60b1a3029d1596e29e64& [1/11/2020 2:58 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665660868507336734/JPEG_20200111_145836.jpg?ex=67b8e8fe&is=67b7977e&hm=6fc612f983d47c06dd22879e8f4547d308803e8fda3c15867e511c049fbd0b04& [1/11/2020 3:03 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665662128677584950/JPEG_20200111_150337.jpg?ex=67b8ea2a&is=67b798aa&hm=fbea4fb16026005247fe7cfea9f986e64d66a95b162e09d475850c9eb82b7d78& [1/11/2020 3:04 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665662270012915809/JPEG_20200111_150411.jpg?ex=67b8ea4c&is=67b798cc&hm=e021e81718d8e6b4bbebcf2fcbfb75355d83bbc1dca56c36097440ea3617ef0e& [1/11/2020 3:07 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665663150502182922/JPEG_20200111_150727.jpg?ex=67b8eb1e&is=67b7999e&hm=cdb9ab5742fe89012f75c58dbd557a5d44e428f3a4c30d436c9ba47a87c068aa& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665663151064350740/JPEG_20200111_150735.jpg?ex=67b8eb1e&is=67b7999e&hm=79bb90a6fa7c74f996d6a6f8e85dc380f9b64f0559d3a489f020900674c65eb8& [1/11/2020 3:08 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665663402227662858/JPEG_20200111_150841.jpg?ex=67b8eb5a&is=67b799da&hm=673d61b0ed38fa8df21f518b02f5084f7bd7e804352e787c2c2db66d2756f7f8& [1/11/2020 3:10 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665663822647787521/JPEG_20200111_151020.jpg?ex=67b8ebbe&is=67b79a3e&hm=4d4b07bb911a4d781b05398367cebc3186fb1ec238ff87579007a105d9b2faae& [1/11/2020 3:11 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665664213091352602/JPEG_20200111_151154.jpg?ex=67b8ec1b&is=67b79a9b&hm=ae341696ad7ee07f19b811ea253dd2e382eb2ad55e28bac3ad222e05c3c99718& [1/11/2020 3:16 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665665472481460240/JPEG_20200111_151650.jpg?ex=67b8ed48&is=67b79bc8&hm=62e179017bb6837221a1bda74f66e3bfb6728672612851f118aa0dba4a5ccc49& [1/11/2020 3:17 PM] canibalcrab You tossing out that Frank Sinatra vinyl that was by those bins a while back? [1/11/2020 3:19 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665666014704304156/JPEG_20200111_151903.jpg?ex=67b8edc9&is=67b79c49&hm=5a5e93e01b273140bfb17b2a0a52e5d97820dc7cb7683006c22b3f1c94df13df& [1/11/2020 3:19 PM] james_david_vance @pearce that one? [1/11/2020 3:20 PM] canibalcrab Might be, my wife had been worrying that I was going to have to trash all the records [1/11/2020 3:22 PM] james_david_vance Do you think we should keep it in the committee area? [1/11/2020 3:23 PM] james_david_vance I guess I can put the records on Facebook marketplace, only accept cash, and that money can go to the commitee [1/11/2020 3:34 PM] james_david_vance I'm going to put some stuff on Facebook Marketplace and sell it for the committee. Including the records. [1/11/2020 4:51 PM] canibalcrab Cool [1/11/2020 4:53 PM] james_david_vance I'm going to default to trying to sell stuff instead of putting it on the freebie shelf [1/11/2020 4:54 PM] james_david_vance But if the stuff doesn't have any offers within like a month of posting, it's going either to the freebie shelf or the trash. [1/11/2020 5:00 PM] aceat64 just fyi, be sure to send an email to finance/treasurer with a link to the postings, they'll likely ask for it so it's easier to just do it ahead of time {Reactions} 👍 [1/11/2020 5:05 PM] james_david_vance @aceat64 Thank you! I would not have known to do that otherwise. [1/11/2020 5:06 PM] aceat64 might be good to check in with them and find out how they'd prefer payment and documentation done [1/11/2020 5:06 PM] aceat64 if it's like ebay we may even have an account for it [1/11/2020 5:42 PM] james_david_vance @Brsims I believe you said I don't need documentation for stuff under $200 right? [1/11/2020 5:42 PM] james_david_vance I'm thinking I'll just take cash to make things easier [1/11/2020 7:27 PM] james_david_vance Why would someone want to keep a floppy disk with prolog on it? I'm genuinely curious [1/11/2020 8:10 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665739429381406720/JPEG_20200111_201047.jpg?ex=67b93228&is=67b7e0a8&hm=10e3df0f091e5ec8f61e2e1c8b3a3c8c4294cec74cba435fda3123f6767a97ba& [1/11/2020 8:12 PM] james_david_vance This stuff is going in the committee area for now. If anyone wants to make the case that it should stay there, please do so. Otherwise, it will be thrown out after a month goes by without anyone making the case that we should keep it. I'm talking sspecifixally about the papers {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665739880105508933/JPEG_20200111_201101.jpg?ex=67b93294&is=67b7e114&hm=c1dfa22e05deaf16f29445c217c44607ce28117c1694bffbbf68909732e39278& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665739880759951360/JPEG_20200111_201047.jpg?ex=67b93294&is=67b7e114&hm=4d1372183987f93391b33f269eabee244c8945750560b446034f40a3ae8234dd& [1/11/2020 8:13 PM] james_david_vance Also, the science committee donated two fire-retardant tables I think would make great desks [1/11/2020 8:36 PM] mizgeek Scan the papers before discarding? That’s the only way I haven’t died in a hoarder’s mound of paper. [1/11/2020 8:39 PM] james_david_vance Go for it. Like I said, it will be in the committee area. I can let you know where exactly in the committee area the papers will be once I'm done moving everything. [1/11/2020 8:41 PM] james_david_vance 2/3 done! {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665747219324076045/JPEG_20200111_204129.jpg?ex=67b9396a&is=67b7e7ea&hm=10a83e86ba4dd26ff877c533c3e6fa840f99d79da3440824806f95dc475a6ffe& {Reactions} 👍 [1/11/2020 8:42 PM] mizgeek We will be back in town on the 16th. CA clean up is Sunday so maybe next weekish. I have a month. 😁 We have a gig at the end of the month. [1/11/2020 8:44 PM] mizgeek There is a scanner up there, right? Or I can drag mine in. [1/11/2020 8:44 PM] mizgeek You go! [1/11/2020 9:04 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/665753062463242267/JPEG_20200111_210047.jpg?ex=67b93edb&is=67b7ed5b&hm=727c59456549ad7f4c549b06c30666a2957cebaa076a6860592a2be7b0c7480b& [1/11/2020 9:05 PM] james_david_vance Done! [1/12/2020 9:37 PM] james_david_vance https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/15030 [1/12/2020 9:37 PM] james_david_vance Next committee meeting {Reactions} 👍 [1/12/2020 9:39 PM] james_david_vance Wiki Entry: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Computer_Committee_Meeting_20200129 {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Computer_Committee_Meeting_20200129 Computer Committee Meeting 20200129 [1/14/2020 3:09 PM] johntron0 Why are Hackerspace and Software Development separate committees? [1/14/2020 3:10 PM] james_david_vance There is no longer a Software Development commitee [1/14/2020 3:10 PM] james_david_vance And we renamed it from Hackerspace to Computer Committee [1/14/2020 3:10 PM] johntron0 Ah - wiki needs to be updated then. [1/14/2020 3:10 PM] johntron0 Thanks for the info [1/14/2020 3:11 PM] james_david_vance What link needs to be updated? I can get on that. [1/14/2020 3:11 PM] james_david_vance Or what page rather [1/14/2020 3:12 PM] johntron0 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/666751528648048691/unknown.png?ex=67b8ec40&is=67b79ac0&hm=b97a3bb89e9dac8f43a9086f678efcefeb909b7eba900ec74e706782880a48f5& {Reactions} 👍 [1/14/2020 3:13 PM] johntron0 The Hackerspace Committee *Category* needs to be renamed, and Software Development Committee *Category* needs to be moved to Inactive [1/14/2020 3:13 PM] james_david_vance Thank you [1/14/2020 3:13 PM] johntron0 np 😄 [1/14/2020 3:13 PM] johntron0 I was going to do that, but wasn't sure if people would object. [1/14/2020 3:14 PM] andrew5152 nobody will object to housekeeping on the wiki [1/14/2020 3:14 PM] andrew5152 it is sorely needed [1/14/2020 3:14 PM] andrew5152 (always) [1/14/2020 3:14 PM] johntron0 Hehe, still waiting on someone to migrate my revised homepage: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Main_Page_Revised {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Main_Page_Revised Main Page Revised [1/14/2020 3:14 PM] johntron0 Or at least give feedback [1/14/2020 3:14 PM] andrew5152 Yeah. Not sure what's going on there {Reactions} 👍 [1/14/2020 3:42 PM] nullinterface life happened [1/14/2020 3:42 PM] james_david_vance It usually does [1/14/2020 3:43 PM] nullinterface will see if I can review it again, integrate with the look and feel of the present page [1/14/2020 3:43 PM] james_david_vance It be like that [1/14/2020 3:48 PM] johntron0 I figured - thanks @ESmith. Didn't intend for that to come off passive-aggressively, so don't take it that way 🙂 [1/14/2020 3:49 PM] nullinterface no worries [1/14/2020 3:49 PM] nullinterface we're all volunteers [1/14/2020 3:49 PM] johntron0 Also, as far as look and fee, my revised page adapts to narrower screens - you should be able to look at source to see sort of how that works. Happy to answer questions/help if you need me. [1/14/2020 3:51 PM] andrew5152 I'm not a fan of listing ALL the committees right up front there, I like the links done on the regular page better for that, but It does adapt to handhelds better than the regular page [1/14/2020 3:52 PM] johntron0 My thinking on that was if layout can support it, better to list those, since that's probably the most commonly-used links. [1/14/2020 3:52 PM] james_david_vance I think it would work if there were a blurb for each commitee [1/14/2020 3:52 PM] johntron0 can just click the link 😛 [1/14/2020 3:52 PM] johntron0 ping-pong around a bit [1/14/2020 3:52 PM] johntron0 only have to do that once 😛 [1/14/2020 3:52 PM] james_david_vance Sounds annoyinh [1/14/2020 3:53 PM] johntron0 just my opinion - happy to make adjustments [1/14/2020 3:53 PM] nullinterface what do I use the wiki for ... meeting agenda/minutes committee pages standing rules bylaws [1/14/2020 3:53 PM] andrew5152 for me, it equal to "wall of text", filling the screen with weird text that isn't why I stopped in to the main page [1/14/2020 3:54 PM] james_david_vance @A. Spencer(jast) why did you stop in to the main page? [1/14/2020 3:54 PM] nullinterface main page has links to most of those, but it's also a wasteland that tries to perform some of the functions best handled by the main website {Reactions} 👍 [1/14/2020 3:54 PM] johntron0 hehe - ok yeah. I'm sure there are different personas, multiple use cases, etc. Should we do some UX research or make some smaller changes? [1/14/2020 3:54 PM] james_david_vance I think we need separation of concerns [1/14/2020 3:54 PM] nullinterface if you're at the wiki, odds are you got there for a reason - not necessarily the same for the main website [1/14/2020 3:55 PM] johntron0 Yeah - I tried to remove some info or shove it more towards the bottom when I felt it was redundant (with website) [1/14/2020 3:55 PM] nullinterface so I've thought about this but have mostly concerned myself with meeting minutes and other organizational governance-fu [1/14/2020 3:55 PM] james_david_vance Form should follow function. So there should be zero ambiguity as to what the purpose of the main page is before you get started with the layout. [1/14/2020 3:56 PM] andrew5152 to be fair, experienced members stop in to get to somewhere else: tools, committees, meetings pages and the like [1/14/2020 3:56 PM] andrew5152 but the main page needs to be inviting to propsective members, too, and I think the existing one does a much better job on that front [1/14/2020 3:56 PM] andrew5152 (although it would be nice if it scaled to handheld better) [1/14/2020 3:57 PM] james_david_vance I think this requires a larger audience, maybe a team dedicated to the development and points of contact when design decisions need to be made. [1/14/2020 3:57 PM] johntron0 Can you elaborate on that? Do you mean aesthetically or as far as the info and how it's arranged? [1/14/2020 3:58 PM] johntron0 Yeah, I don't want to organize that sort of thing Raffi, but happy to give my input if somebody else does. [1/14/2020 3:58 PM] johntron0 Currently shopping for a house, so can't commit to that. Maybe later though. [1/14/2020 3:59 PM] andrew5152 aesthetically ergonomics are all wrong to me I open the page, and scroll halfway down, and get a white wall of 2 columns of text that appear to be committees (of course, if we're experienced, we know this, but it's unfriendly to new looky-loos, I think) {Reactions} 👍 [1/14/2020 3:59 PM] james_david_vance What I mean is that the layout of the page should defer to how it should be used. If it's purpose is solely to let people access the commitees, for example, that would influence the layout of the page. If the sole purpose is to give a snapshot of activities at the space, that would influence the layout. If the purpose includes both of those, but the primary purpose of to give people a snapshot, that would influence the layout. [1/14/2020 3:59 PM] andrew5152 and, FTW, the columns aren't even [1/14/2020 3:59 PM] andrew5152 😄 [1/14/2020 4:00 PM] james_david_vance Requirements gathering -> visual design -> implementation [1/14/2020 4:00 PM] johntron0 Good point jast - I started the revisions thinking new members need an easier way to find info, then figured most of that was already on the website. [1/14/2020 4:00 PM] johntron0 We could make the new member 411 more prominent. {Reactions} ☝️ [1/14/2020 4:01 PM] johntron0 Cool - I can try to summarize these points and add it to the discussion page on homepage. We can break them down, do analysis, come up with ideas, and implement. [1/14/2020 4:02 PM] james_david_vance Who would I talk to if I want to play with our APIs in an iOS app? This is not a commitment that I'm going to make an app. [1/14/2020 4:04 PM] andrew5152 re: new member 411... it gets emailed out when a member joins. It's here. it's in talk. Its...ignored anyway... today's user of electronic resources appears to know 1 thing, and 1 thing only: shout from your front door into the nearest social media portal, and wait for the first respondent before RUNNING toward whatever you've heard {Reactions} 😫 💯 [1/14/2020 4:04 PM] yashsedai what apis? [1/14/2020 4:05 PM] andrew5152 but friendface and twiter were "something new" at some point, too... [1/14/2020 4:05 PM] james_david_vance The web APIs that the website uses [1/14/2020 4:05 PM] yashsedai gonna need you to be more specific [1/14/2020 4:06 PM] yashsedai the only api's i know of run the backend integration between makermanager and the billing system [1/14/2020 4:06 PM] james_david_vance for example, calendar.dallasmakerspace.org fetches a list of events from a server [1/14/2020 4:06 PM] nullinterface speaking of ... @DJ Vance you've got a nonmember that wants to attend your philosophy meetup tomorrow - might want to be on the lookout for someone trying to get in the building [1/14/2020 4:07 PM] james_david_vance So if I wanted to do that in an app, I would need to know what URL and what parameters, if any, I need to give it. [1/14/2020 4:07 PM] johntron0 Raffi - haven't actually looked at browser's network panel, but I believe calendar is rendered server-side, so no REST-ish API. [1/14/2020 4:08 PM] johntron0 Oh Raffi - you organize the philosophy meetup? I've been wanting to attend, just waiting for the stars to align. [1/14/2020 4:08 PM] james_david_vance I do [1/14/2020 4:08 PM] james_david_vance There is an API [1/14/2020 4:08 PM] james_david_vance even if it's not rest [1/14/2020 4:08 PM] johntron0 Very cool. Can we chat later? Need to get back to work, but I'm interested. [1/14/2020 4:09 PM] james_david_vance The website is making a request [1/14/2020 4:09 PM] johntron0 You can parse the HTML [1/14/2020 4:09 PM] james_david_vance Fair enough [1/14/2020 4:09 PM] johntron0 here's that: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar {Embed} https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar Dallas-Makerspace/calendar Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/calendar development by creating an account on GitHub. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ITo4w4d0AAbib6KoqFCWr28DlNpOEUOWzQMSxDMvYw8/%3Fs%3D400%26v%3D4/https/avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/920460 [1/14/2020 4:09 PM] johntron0 can look at the GH org to see what else is there. [1/14/2020 4:09 PM] james_david_vance That's what I'm talking about. Thank you! [1/14/2020 4:10 PM] johntron0 np - I just added docs to calendar if you're lookin to make changes 😉 [1/14/2020 4:10 PM] james_david_vance Holy shit [1/14/2020 4:10 PM] james_david_vance I assumed there was no documentation [1/14/2020 4:10 PM] johntron0 well, "how it works" type of super high-level docs [1/14/2020 4:10 PM] johntron0 there was documentation! don't be so gloomy! [1/14/2020 4:10 PM] james_david_vance That's *much* better than nothing [1/14/2020 4:10 PM] james_david_vance Oh okay [1/14/2020 4:11 PM] johntron0 hehe [1/14/2020 4:11 PM] johntron0 have fun - gotta go [1/14/2020 4:25 PM] andrew5152 this is floating around... https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/updated-android-app-for-tracking-events-added-to-the-dms-calendar/33995 [1/14/2020 10:13 PM] james_david_vance So it turns out that we can't keep obsolete books like Java 2 and HTML 4 in the committee area. A board member has contacted me and told me to take it home or throw it away. I'm not taking any of it home. [1/14/2020 10:14 PM] james_david_vance This has to be done before Saturday morning because of tours. [1/14/2020 10:19 PM] james_david_vance I'll be at the space tomorrow for philosophy, but I wont throw stuff out then. I'll do it on Friday after I get out of work. I'll be at the space no earlier than 5:15pm Friday. I'm clarifying with the board what exactly needs to go, but I think the actual computers can stay (the iMac, Commodore, and two other Apple computers). The old rack linted server has to go. That was called out by the board. [1/15/2020 12:57 PM] nullinterface *speaking as a former Logistics chair that had to maintain what is now the member exchange shelf* There's a lot of **just BARELY not trash** that ends up on the shelf that ended up taking a far more convoluted path to the landfill than it had to. If you can't find a use for it, can't sell it, and don't know someone that has an immediate use for it *consider throwing it away* [1/15/2020 12:58 PM] nullinterface if you can't bear the thought of tossing it, consider an org like Scrap Denton that collects volumes of odds-and-ends for art projects and the like [1/15/2020 12:59 PM] james_david_vance @denzuko @MizGeek I want to make sure you guys see the above few messages in case you want to pick stuff up before 5:15pm Friday [1/15/2020 1:00 PM] james_david_vance @denzuko-at-work @denzuko @denzuko @denzuuko @Denzuko.sdf.org {Reactions} 😂 [1/15/2020 2:00 PM] mizgeek Should we take to Half-Price books? Call and see if they will take them? [1/15/2020 2:03 PM] mizgeek I’m heading to the airport at the moment. [1/15/2020 2:47 PM] andrew5152 so here's a stupid nooB question that I'm sure you good folks can answer in a heartbeat let's say I have a customer who, up until recently, has been using ftp and I'm working to warm them to SFTP so at least not EVERYTHING is in plain text. But... as the server admin, how do you 1. obtain the "host fingerprint" to pass along to them, so when they get squeemish about clicking "yes" to accept the key, it matches 2. why don't the various clients match, each other (filezilla shows a different key than winscp) or match anything I've turned up with something like `for f in /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key do ssh-keygen -l -f "$f"; done` ? [1/15/2020 2:50 PM] james_david_vance Mark Havens probably knows the answer to this. @mrhavens [1/15/2020 2:59 PM] hon1nbo @A. Spencer(jast) I got around this by using a script that added fingerprints to the users machines. Typically filezilla (last I did this) had a cache I could edit. WinSCP may not be using the TLS ftp, but rather SSH (is it's default). [1/15/2020 3:00 PM] andrew5152 server-side is sshd [1/15/2020 3:01 PM] andrew5152 hypothetical clients are not machines I can touch [1/15/2020 3:01 PM] andrew5152 but I'd still be interested in where you got your fingerprints to be able to use the script on the clients [1/15/2020 4:12 PM] hon1nbo when I setup the server side I ran each client to grab the fingerprints, then just used a script to insert them into the respective known hosts on the machines [1/15/2020 4:13 PM] hon1nbo gathering the fingerprints was manual, as different clients used different modes and I'm not certain on how each was doing it [1/15/2020 4:20 PM] andrew5152 👍 [1/15/2020 4:20 PM] andrew5152 Thank you! [1/16/2020 9:59 AM] denzukoatwork2317 @A. Spencer(jast) ssh-keyscan(1) https://linux.die.net/man/1/ssh-keyscan then pipe that to tee(1) with the -a flag for ~/.ssh/known_hosts. [ssh-keyscan sdf.org | tee -a ~/.ssh/known_hosts] 2) any load balancer in front of the ssh server? Only way there's different "host fingerprints" is if there's different keys and that typically means a, compromised server/session, b, some HA traffic management {Embed} https://linux.die.net/man/1/ssh-keyscan ssh-keyscan(1): gather ssh public keys - Linux man page ssh-keyscan is a utility for gathering the public ssh host keys of a number of hosts. It was designed to aid in building and verifying ssh_known_hosts ... [1/16/2020 10:20 AM] andrew5152 hm. that gets me yet another string of characters which, other than the labels, appears completely unconnected. Interesting question on the load balancer. None _that I'm aware of_ but maybe I should check into that. I'm 90% sure there's none, but... [1/16/2020 1:38 PM] james_david_vance Update on removal of obsolete stuff: Dwight and Austin helped me go through it and throw away or put stuff on the freebie shelf as needed. 90% of the stuff went in the trash. I wish people would have come and picked up some of the stuff. I threw away an Apple monitor and it made me sad [1/16/2020 5:05 PM] james_david_vance @MizGeek I want to draw your attention to that last message [1/16/2020 5:31 PM] mizgeek That makes me sad, too. We just flew in last night and I’m still unpacking the 9 pieces of luggage and bonding with the washing machine. So does that mean you guys dealt with the books? [1/16/2020 5:33 PM] mizgeek (Three weeks of vacation is hard work. 😬) [1/16/2020 5:39 PM] mizgeek Ugh... just got to Talk. K [1/16/2020 5:41 PM] mizgeek Wallowing through the bickering... did you still want me to scan paper in the next few weeks or were they pitched, also? [1/16/2020 7:13 PM] james_david_vance They were pitched [1/16/2020 7:18 PM] mizgeek Okey doke [1/16/2020 7:49 PM] andrew5152 This makes us all sad. But...finite space, etc. etc. [1/20/2020 3:17 PM] james_david_vance https://tenor.com/view/yes-sweet-hellyes-pumpit-gif-3532253 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/yes-sweet-hellyes-pumpit-gif-3532253 sweet https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/sUjyKTeXaqUYHzxouZHaCrEpa9IfXA7FGU2Up84HaVQ/https/media.tenor.co/images/31b2063b74228c93e40813be718da8a7/raw [1/20/2020 3:17 PM] james_david_vance @Johntron me when I saw that you guys use MVC. Excellent documentation btw compared to my current company. [1/20/2020 3:18 PM] james_david_vance MVC is the most commonly-used architecture for iOS apps and I'm an iOS app developer. [1/20/2020 6:15 PM] james_david_vance This page, advertised under the section "Classes" on our Wiki page, was created by Dwight in October 2018: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Blockchain {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Blockchain Blockchain [1/20/2020 6:15 PM] james_david_vance I just can't keep this stuff to myself. [1/20/2020 6:16 PM] james_david_vance One of the links on that page takes you here: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/announcement-hackathon-blockchain/41710 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/announcement-hackathon-blockchain/41710 [Announcement] Hackathon: Blockchain You asked for it, well we’re giving it to you. VCC has partnered with Major League Hacking to provide and host MLH.Localhost hackathons at the Dallas Makerspace. One of the greatest things about MLH is that its a national league of hackers/makers/coders that compete, and ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/87MNmnEqNC69XUpM0sDlikLqvqwf1FCWaMT7QBIlkdQ/https/dms-discourse-static.s3.amazonaws.com/original/3X/a/0/a0c8849bde7a7610b7c15c6da18fbec716a8c309.jpg [1/20/2020 6:16 PM] james_david_vance Where Dwight advertised it as a hackathon. [1/20/2020 6:17 PM] james_david_vance On that Talk post, the link text is "MLH.Localhost hackathons", but when you click on the link, the website says "MLH Localhost Workshops" [1/20/2020 6:19 PM] james_david_vance There were originally 9 SIGs listed under the Hosted SIG section in our Wiki. [1/20/2020 6:20 PM] james_david_vance The Crypto SIG had a section called Meetings which was empty: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Crypto_SIG {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Crypto_SIG Category:Crypto SIG [1/20/2020 6:20 PM] james_david_vance This one doesn't mention any members or meetings and is very sparse for a SIG: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Community_Grid_Meshnet {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Community_Grid_Meshnet Community Grid Meshnet [1/20/2020 6:22 PM] james_david_vance This one doesn't state any members or meetings, seems much more like a project than a SIG: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Community_Grid_Compute_Cluster#Acceptable_Use {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Community_Grid_Compute_Cluster Community Grid Compute Cluster [1/20/2020 6:24 PM] james_david_vance Software Development was listed as SIG and has a significant portion of its page "TBD": https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Software_Development {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Software_Development Category:Software Development [1/20/2020 6:27 PM] james_david_vance The Infosec SIG does not state a leader, members, or meetings past or future: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Infosec_SIG {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Infosec_SIG Infosec SIG [1/20/2020 6:28 PM] james_david_vance Dwight is the only one listed as a member of the DevOps Leadership SIG: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:DevOps_Leadership {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:DevOps_Leadership Category:DevOps Leadership [1/20/2020 6:28 PM] james_david_vance The IoT SIG consists of one section, Purpose, which reads: "To coordinate IoT development activities and discuss IoT and SCADA hacking at DMS To implement useful IoT and SCADA projects To promote IoT by recruiting new participants and sponsors": https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/IoT_SIG {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/IoT_SIG IoT SIG [1/20/2020 6:32 PM] james_david_vance The Civic Hacking SIG page was last edited by Erik on October 2019. Before that, the previous edit was in October 2018. https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Civic_Hacking {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Civic_Hacking Category:Civic Hacking [1/20/2020 7:00 PM] yashsedai get rid of them all? [1/20/2020 7:04 PM] james_david_vance Yup [1/20/2020 7:04 PM] james_david_vance I already did. [1/20/2020 7:29 PM] yashsedai nice [1/20/2020 7:30 PM] james_david_vance More like frustrating [1/21/2020 1:20 PM] nullinterface there was ... a lot ... of stuff I condensed into the new category [1/21/2020 1:20 PM] nullinterface a great deal of it looked to be stale at best [1/21/2020 1:20 PM] nullinterface however I wasn't sufficiently up on goings on to make the call [1/21/2020 1:29 PM] nullinterface and for shiggles I've replaced Software Development category with a redirect to Hackerspace {Reactions} ❤️ (2) [1/21/2020 1:47 PM] james_david_vance Thank you! [1/21/2020 9:40 PM] james_david_vance To be clear, the pages still exist. They are just not linked to on our committee page. [1/24/2020 12:48 AM] denzuko5245 Looking over the inventory page for the interactive computer museum; Those two Sinclair ZX81 apparently got thrown out, not by myself mind you. [1/24/2020 6:34 AM] andrew5152 🤦‍♂️ [1/29/2020 2:35 PM] james_david_vance Reminder that there is a committee meeting tonight at 7 [1/29/2020 6:51 PM] james_david_vance I'm going to be like 5 minutes late [1/29/2020 7:12 PM] james_david_vance There's no one at the meeting [1/29/2020 7:12 PM] james_david_vance Is anyone on here interested in the meeting [1/29/2020 7:13 PM] james_david_vance @Holly [1/29/2020 7:17 PM] james_david_vance I don't want to have a meeting with myself, so I'm going to go to Philosophy until someone else shows up. Just mention me here and I'll be notified. [1/29/2020 9:00 PM] doug.emes I attended Mark Havens class that overran the start of the meeting. [2/1/2020 5:38 PM] denzuko5245 vintage and retro computer guys; thought you'll enjoy this. Just came across a discord server for us: https://discordapp.com/channels/618408247073701890/618412156567945255 {Embed} https://discordapp.com/channels/618408247073701890/618412156567945255 Discord - Free voice and text chat for gamers Step up your game with a modern voice & text chat app. Crystal clear voice, multiple server and channel support, mobile apps, and more. Get your free server now! https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/HfR2VUvbtgDrYRhtJYtbVRG8ptOUXl0szXSCAOAiC_8/https/discordapp.com/assets/ee7c382d9257652a88c8f7b7f22a994d.png [2/1/2020 5:39 PM] denzuko5245 amazingly they even have a homebrew computing channel [2/1/2020 5:43 PM] denzuko5245 also.. sick and tired of trying to get this esp8266 to work so found one prebuilt with a db9 rs232 interface: https://www.simulant.uk/shop/retro-vintage-computer-wifi-modem-rs232-serial-hayes-compatible [2/1/2020 5:44 PM] denzuko5245 there's a c128 adaptor for a few bucks more so let me if we would like a bulk order and I'll donate a few to the committee [2/3/2020 2:34 AM] james_david_vance Are you asking if I would accept them as a donation? [2/3/2020 2:34 AM] james_david_vance Are you asking for reimbursement? [2/3/2020 2:45 AM] james_david_vance Donations Donations of items intended to be used or consumed by the DMS Must be explicitly accepted by the committee chairperson in whose area the items are to be stored or used The Treasurer may reject donations at their discretion Donations not explicitly accepted by a committee will not be accepted by DMS; if the donor delivers them to DMS without explicit acceptance they will be disposed of as the Logistics committee sees fit [2/3/2020 2:45 AM] james_david_vance https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Rules_and_Policies#Donations {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Rules_and_Policies Rules and Policies [2/18/2020 4:51 AM] james_david_vance February Committee Meeting is Wednesday the 25th. https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/computer-committee-meeting-wednesday-february-25/68694/4 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/computer-committee-meeting-wednesday-february-25/68694/4 Computer Committee Meeting Wednesday, February 25 @Hackerspace DMS Calendar: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/15393 Wiki: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Computer_Committee_Meeting_20200226 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qRlxbZt5a8DMnfzw2EBwdOBcB8mkS2lbVe-XpMF72Ko/https/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/user_avatar/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/raffi/200/38815_2.png [2/18/2020 4:52 AM] james_david_vance I've also gone ahead and scheduled them for the last Wednesday of the month until and including July. They won't let me go out until August. [2/18/2020 4:53 AM] james_david_vance I have a couple updates on the Hackathon and computer lab [2/26/2020 7:02 PM] james_david_vance I've got some exciting updates if anyone wants to come to the north lobby classroom [3/2/2020 1:37 AM] denzuko5245 looking to try and set up a few different classes that if on the desktop run a swing window, cli use stdio, or applet html output but need to figure out the best way to call either one based on the execution. So what is the best way to determine if a single jar file is being called as an applet, via cli, or on the desktop? [3/16/2020 2:48 PM] doug.emes @DJ Vance in light of covid19 flattening, I think it prudent to postpone the hackathon {Reactions} ☝ (2) [3/16/2020 3:00 PM] james_david_vance Its already been postponed just because James and I haven't had much time to put into it. But yeah, it's postponed until further notice. I haven't sent out any invites or anything so I don't see a need to announce the postponement. [3/16/2020 3:02 PM] doug.emes I agree its not required, but only for the optics I would still suggest mentioning it [3/16/2020 3:05 PM] james_david_vance Tbh that sounds like virtue signaling [3/16/2020 3:08 PM] james_david_vance On a separate note, I've been following this Unity class on YouTube. High quality. I tried learning Unity a while ago but found it confusing. This guy makes it very simple and intuitive, at least to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j48LtUkZRjU&list=PLPV2KyIb3jR53Jce9hP7G5xC4O9AgnOuL {Embed} Brackeys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j48LtUkZRjU How to make a Video Game - Getting Started Want to make a video game but don't know where to start? This video should help point you in the right direction! ♥ Support my videos on Patreon: http://patreon.com/brackeys/ ···················································································· This video is ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/XfNoRJV14ZW_2fkn4I4IxLH_MmPVsevi0F3NYRLyznQ/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/j48LtUkZRjU/maxresdefault.jpg {Reactions} 👍 [3/16/2020 3:26 PM] doug.emes > Tbh that sounds like virtue signaling @DJ Vance. I can understand that view. But even if we were 99% ready, it should be delayed. And because there were prior concerns during meetings of making deliverable targets, this exceptional situations should be noted [3/17/2020 4:49 PM] james_david_vance Continuing the discussion in DMs. [3/22/2020 2:16 PM] james_david_vance I'm going to be walking through code for Pong for iOS Tuesday night: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/virtual-dms-coder-night-2-this-tuesday-3-24-7pm/70224/2 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/virtual-dms-coder-night-2-this-tuesday-3-24-7pm/70224/2 (Virtual) DMS Coder Night #2 this Tuesday (3/24) @7pm DMS Calendar Entry (description matches this post) What A meetup, virtual for now, where 0-2 talks will be given on software development topics, e.g. “Here’s the basics of iOS development”, “How to make a basic website with React”, “The story of how I fixed this nasty bug”, ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qRlxbZt5a8DMnfzw2EBwdOBcB8mkS2lbVe-XpMF72Ko/https/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/user_avatar/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/raffi/200/38815_2.png [3/22/2020 5:22 PM] talkers That's great Raffi! Thanks {Reactions} 😀 [3/24/2020 2:17 AM] james_david_vance Reminder: We have a committee meeting on Wednesday at 7. Posted on Talk a while ago. Link with info on how to join to follow [3/24/2020 2:18 AM] james_david_vance Lol that was actually just 6 days ago [3/24/2020 2:19 AM] james_david_vance Anyway here's the Google calendar event: https://calendar.google.com/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=MmJtNXEzNWkyYmNwZXVjN2lwbWhhanV0bHAgZGFsbGFzbWFrZXJzcGFjZS5vcmdfYmpydWUzbGhvcWxzcHJpbGpsMDU3NThvbGdAZw&tmsrc=dallasmakerspace.org_bjrue3lhoqlspriljl05758olg%40group.calendar.google.com {Embed} https://calendar.google.com/event?action=TEMPLATE&tmeid=MmJtNXEzNWkyYmNwZXVjN2lwbWhhanV0bHAgZGFsbGFzbWFrZXJzcGFjZS5vcmdfYmpydWUzbGhvcWxzcHJpbGpsMDU3NThvbGdAZw&tmsrc=dallasmakerspace.org_bjrue3lhoqlspriljl05758olg%40group.calendar.google.com Google Calendar With Google's free online calendar, it’s easy to keep track of life’s important events all in one place. [3/24/2020 2:19 AM] james_david_vance Here's the Google Meet Link: https://meet.google.com/wbk-oopb-eqv?hs=122 {Embed} https://meet.google.com/wbk-oopb-eqv?hs=122 Meet Real-time meetings by Google. Using your browser, share your video, desktop, and presentations with teammates and customers. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/esmkNqRvv_uM84r7jKXLg4PJYn6vHhrSoJ2Qs7oO2Z8/https/www.gstatic.com/images/branding/product/2x/meet_96dp.png [3/24/2020 2:20 AM] james_david_vance You can also use that link to find instructions on how to join via phone [3/24/2020 2:20 AM] james_david_vance How to join via phone {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/691909269112750110/Screen_Shot_2020-03-24_at_2.19.46_AM.png?ex=67b8d1f8&is=67b78078&hm=505a3fa891fe9840ad99971440485c4b77b397ea31d55e08ec036b7af1a9bc0e& [3/24/2020 2:20 AM] james_david_vance @channel please be aware of the preceding messages [3/24/2020 2:21 AM] james_david_vance I guess discord doesn't have @channel [3/24/2020 2:23 AM] james_david_vance I'd also like to open up the floor for feedback on my leadership. Not required, but I would appreciate it if you phrased it as something I could do well in the future [3/24/2020 2:23 AM] james_david_vance I think I'll bring that up in the meeting as well [3/24/2020 2:35 AM] james_david_vance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc0GqDueUIE {Embed} downthecrop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc0GqDueUIE How to Jailbreak iOS with Android Phone checkra1n Tutorial Guide A step by step guide of running the checkra1n iOS jailbreak with a rooted Android Phone. Use your Android Phone to Jailbreak your iPhone! Using the arm64 executable we are able to run checra1n exploit from an Android device to jailbreak an iOS device. I suggest running the exp... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/RjrjDceUVDG6XBB8lpuMnxVpNs0QExHMI-EKytLSW44/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/tc0GqDueUIE/maxresdefault.jpg [3/24/2020 7:06 PM] james_david_vance starting the Swift Pong thing now [3/25/2020 12:37 PM] james_david_vance I found this in my Aunt and Uncle's house when I was staying with them. In Washington State {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/692426893512933516/IMG_20180322_152026_178.jpg?ex=67b9628c&is=67b8110c&hm=7cf49c2dc554618702a02fe56abad8c55d060f5dad6e867759c9b4197ef8c701& [3/25/2020 3:11 PM] doug.emes Greg Goodwin loves old apple stuff [3/27/2020 6:22 PM] james_david_vance James is going to walk through Dialogflow on Tuesday at 7 [3/27/2020 6:22 PM] james_david_vance https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/virutal-dms-coder-night-dialogflow-walkthrough-w-james-henningson/70415 [3/29/2020 4:21 PM] james_david_vance we need more memes in here [3/29/2020 4:21 PM] james_david_vance everyone do your part [3/29/2020 4:21 PM] james_david_vance {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/693932806564479026/91569533_2721424068086918_8655831416229068800_o.png?ex=67b8ee49&is=67b79cc9&hm=d47395e085b2c7dc57e7e935030e6e1fbb06b538440f08c0ffd414eaa1504e35& [3/29/2020 4:32 PM] sewingstuff2561 Dwight must be busy lately. [3/29/2020 4:57 PM] sewingstuff2561 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/693942015142133800/image0.png?ex=67b8f6dd&is=67b7a55d&hm=b3986e761b126d9cdd9217e43b31d0cb3b339ac462b6597b011e349d742f7849& {Reactions} trollface [3/29/2020 11:57 PM] sewingstuff2561 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/694047666237341706/image0.png?ex=67b95942&is=67b807c2&hm=278fea4728ba6990ad578b7c0ceb4b203c702555696d63b751d0aa620ba80fc5& {Reactions} trollface [4/1/2020 1:29 PM] denzuko5245 @SewingStuff yes. Been working on a few projects, updating a lot of code and putting together some master classes on Chaos Engineering. By the way that Mac is really cool @DJ Vance. Remind me of the model I had back in Colorado that I got from the pc recyclers up there. Turns out after looking into the serial it was one of the last 1000 made in Colorado Springs before they moved the manufacture plant to China. I wonder if yours is in that same batch. {Reactions} ❤️ [4/1/2020 1:32 PM] sewingstuff2561 Dwight it’s good that you’re staying busy {Reactions} 😄 trollface [4/7/2020 7:20 PM] kenpurcell missed the class tonight [4/16/2020 8:08 PM] nullinterface {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/700512987747713024/IMG_20200416_192722298.jpg?ex=67b9238f&is=67b7d20f&hm=e4028d9d1752cb6b6b1f5c17d7da59cbc8fa50f7d8dc2cee6ce55ae1f7dd5466& [4/16/2020 8:08 PM] nullinterface unearthed some retro tech [4/16/2020 8:29 PM] themitch22 Found this gem on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D-JES4BnTw {Embed} SciCynical Inventing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D-JES4BnTw Forget the Arduino and Pi, use your old PC! Useful Qbasic Links: https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QBasic/Appendix http://www.schoolfreeware.com/QBasic_Tutorial_27_-_Screens_-_QB64.html http://www.petesqbsite.com/index.php http://www.garybeene.com/qbasic/qb-tutor-sprites.htm Qbasic Download: https://www.qbasic.net/en/... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/lQPsHbGaIma6wqggfIDKd1rcbMfB09UtSFJB38poRak/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/7D-JES4BnTw/maxresdefault.jpg [4/16/2020 8:30 PM] themitch22 QBasic and parallel port I/O [4/18/2020 10:32 PM] michaelb5250 I need to remove the basement sheet metal, cut it up, and put it back. The plan is to drill out 18 rivets, do the work, and replace them with small screws to put it back together. Any better ideas? {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/701273949392076821/JPEG_20200418_222837.jpg?ex=67b94542&is=67b7f3c2&hm=9aeb969b7b974d4fe08d34031286316aeff69831fe98f449da9e584d22b13968& [4/20/2020 11:38 PM] michaelb5250 Works great, I could paint the screw heads white but the whole case is black and white so I'm just gonna leave them [4/20/2020 11:38 PM] michaelb5250 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/702015457565212682/JPEG_20200420_233831.jpg?ex=67b954d7&is=67b80357&hm=723c0555da5ddd452cedfac1cdfe7cd168ab345307b601cc393b0498347f6c40& [4/20/2020 11:41 PM] hon1nbo nice [4/20/2020 11:57 PM] michaelb5250 All part of the 'im bored let's rebuild the computer' saga. Also discovered that the opaque coolant I had leached into the tubing in like 6 months, so redoing all of that. [4/21/2020 7:52 AM] nullinterface ah water cooling. I've contemplated it for this latest machine, but I hardly push it and adding air cooling is still an option [4/21/2020 10:25 AM] michaelb5250 It's one of those cliche 'its the journey not the destination' things. [4/22/2020 3:35 AM] dinkbatt funny timing arriving in here. I was actually juuuuust booting up my new i7 processor [4/22/2020 3:37 AM] dinkbatt the famous backwards compatible i7 4790Z or w/e. the one they dont make anymore. so i'm running an i7 on a z95 gen board. with the extra ddr3 ram added 16 gigs on I've now got a full blown gaming rig. [4/22/2020 3:38 AM] dinkbatt from what i understand about water cooling is that it is pretty and fancy (cool LED fx) but if you've ever seen linus's videos he really does a great job of measuring and experimenting and showing that as long as you have a decent fan heat sink and a dust free environment you really dont need much more [4/22/2020 9:06 AM] michaelb5250 Here, my GPU runs nearly 100C with the stock cooler, on water it stays below 60. The CPU might do alright on a 140mm tower but they don't sell aftermarket air coolers for GPUs. [4/22/2020 10:04 AM] nullinterface > dust free environment oh to be able to live that dream [4/22/2020 10:05 AM] nullinterface that impossible dream inhabited by people that can wear black clothing that inexplicably remains spotless for more than 15 minutes [4/22/2020 10:18 AM] andrew5152 `they don't sell aftermarket air coolers for GPUs` that reads like a make challenge... [4/22/2020 10:21 AM] nullinterface 4 revisions, 8 attempts, and 12 hours on the HAAS later... [4/22/2020 10:28 AM] hon1nbo @A. Spencer(jast) machined heat sinks before? It genuinely sucks. Even Silva despised doing it as a professional machinist [4/22/2020 10:30 AM] andrew5152 lol [4/22/2020 10:52 AM] nullinterface heck, I just assumed it was a lot of material being removed along with a number of iterations to get something passable [4/22/2020 2:30 PM] michaelb5250 When things get as long and thin as heatsink fins they tend to vibrate, which wrecks havoc on the machining process, no matter what tools you're using. More often than not I've seen people use slitting saws to cut fins, which is another set of problems. [4/22/2020 3:57 PM] nullinterface too much detail / too small pieces to cast? [4/22/2020 3:57 PM] hon1nbo depends on the heatsink design [4/22/2020 3:57 PM] hon1nbo pure horizontal fins aren't too bad until you get to thinner fins (like that a GPU would need). Crosscut fins are the absolute worst [4/22/2020 3:58 PM] nullinterface I can see crosscut being a world of suck [4/22/2020 3:58 PM] hon1nbo the wavy ones in things like water blocks can actually be easier since they have a little more stability with triangular wave patterns in some of them, assuming you're doing it CNC, but that still varies on some other parameters too [4/22/2020 3:58 PM] nullinterface CPU heatsinks still tending towards circular designs that look extruded? [4/22/2020 4:00 PM] hon1nbo air ones I see are mostly circularly configured flat fins, or standard heatsink forms with a circular profile cut to save board space [4/22/2020 4:00 PM] hon1nbo or square blocks in the middle with orthogonal fins on each side cut with a circular profile but again still flat fins [4/22/2020 4:01 PM] hon1nbo unsure on manufacturing process for most of them [4/22/2020 4:01 PM] nullinterface will confess I didn't pay much attention to the latest HSF (which was also encased in a housing), but the predecessor was circular and might have been extruded and simply cut on a saw [4/22/2020 4:10 PM] michaelb5250 Intel stock coolers from a few years ago were extruded. [4/22/2020 4:11 PM] michaelb5250 Your main options for commercial heat sinks are extruded or bonded fin, where the base is made with slots and fins are stamped from sheet metal and glued in place. [4/22/2020 4:12 PM] michaelb5250 Tower coolers like the big Noctua ones are, afaik, stamped fins that are bonded onto heat pipes, which is the way most modern cpu coolers are going [4/22/2020 4:14 PM] michaelb5250 Water blocks can be machined (I believe EK does this) because the height:depth is smaller so less chatter. Some, like cooler master AIOs are skivved, where a blade comes in at an angle and peels up a layer of the base metal, forming a fin. [4/22/2020 4:15 PM] michaelb5250 Iirc casting is also difficult because the fins will tend to warp as they cool. [4/22/2020 4:19 PM] hon1nbo EK, XSPC, and I believe Koolance (based on old products of theirs I used, been a while though) were all machined; I don't think I've actually seen a cast or extruded CPU nor GPU block in any half-decent water cooling products. [4/22/2020 4:20 PM] nullinterface Would there be some durable mold used for castings or more like sand? With a durable mold I'd imagine extracting the fins from the mold could be a challenge [4/22/2020 4:21 PM] hon1nbo on top of extraction, it's just the natural cooling of the metal shrinking in the fins that makes it tricky with something that thin [4/22/2020 4:21 PM] hon1nbo for thicker heatsinks sure, but not for some of the fine ones you see in very high heat / fast moving air environments like a modern GPU [4/22/2020 4:24 PM] michaelb5250 Right the extruded stuff was all heatsinks. I dont know of anything relevant here that's been cast. [4/22/2020 4:36 PM] nullinterface I've seen some heatsinks for power electronics that may well have been cast then cleaned up with some non-machining process [4/23/2020 9:00 AM] nullinterface kind of depressing that I'm routinely working on service turnup for subscribers on DSLAMs served by *uplinks* with a fraction of the bandwidth I enjoy at home [4/23/2020 9:24 AM] draco_the_drake > service turnup @ESmith {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/702887718006554774/service_turnip.jpg?ex=67b93572&is=67b7e3f2&hm=b059c6b9fc9f1d74de613f8d3452180e3eaf2024d26dbf00819e336b936d419b& [4/23/2020 9:26 AM] nullinterface accurate based on how the TTU (Test and Turn Up) Engineers work [4/23/2020 10:02 PM] michaelb5250 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/703078351824486460/MVIMG_20200423_220136.jpg?ex=67b93e3d&is=67b7ecbd&hm=a4060effdf7b95e731cc386dd7783f8f4648af2f478b2b92d046df29029dfc10& [4/23/2020 10:02 PM] michaelb5250 It works. But it's gonna take a few more cycles to get the solid white coolant flushed out [4/24/2020 1:58 AM] hardsuit Saw a YouTube recently where a guy did a softline setup, but also 3d printed a scaffolding for the tubing to resemble a hard-line system. He also included RGB lighting along the length of the tubing (20mm spacing using individual LEDs) [4/24/2020 2:00 AM] hardsuit https://youtu.be/hF_DTV9xYsc {Embed} Major Hardware https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF_DTV9xYsc Soft Line Water Cooling Will Never Be The Same Most love the look of hard line tubing, most love the ease of use of soft line tubing. Until today you always had to choose which one you like better. However today we change the narrative, now you can have both clean lines and ease of use…………. PLUS RGB. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/mEL4LwPd-lwtWoOgoT95TpxwbWpZQF7BelCTZUNQaDY/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/hF_DTV9xYsc/maxresdefault.jpg {Reactions} 😂 [4/25/2020 6:53 AM] denzuko5245 If I wasn't trying to keep the darker than black build museum ready I'd totally add that in in but with blacklight [4/25/2020 8:38 AM] james_david_vance https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8mG-RkN2uTyVqLN5OSZxn3Z4t1_xFunu {Embed} https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8mG-RkN2uTyVqLN5OSZxn3Z4t1_xFunu Whole Room Water Cooling Project - YouTube https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/QWSGkOFsLvaLmNuj_G7BniuEHDs2WrQZ5x6tAvg7nb8/%3Fsqp%3D-oaymwEWCKgBEF5IWvKriqkDCQgBFQAAiEIYAQ%3D%3D%26rs%3DAOn4CLBhgHs40Kk2DSrerUjkyi3aJYQBmA/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/b8bLtg9J1Oc/hqdefault.jpg [4/26/2020 4:39 PM] themitch22 old school Linus there [4/29/2020 10:42 AM] james_david_vance Computer Committee Meeting tonight at 7. I'm resigning. [4/29/2020 10:43 AM] james_david_vance https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/15395 [4/29/2020 10:46 AM] james_david_vance Also, I've been doing Dallas Coder Night every Tuesday at 7pm for a few weeks now. Next week I'll be taking requests for how to implement stuff for Android and demoing the answers. Join us on Discord: https://discord.gg/txXv7hs [5/18/2020 3:52 PM] andrew5152 anyone recall the fake company name Novell used for training (like Fabrikam, conotso, north wind traders, etc. for M$)? [5/19/2020 11:26 AM] james_david_vance Okay so what IDE or text editor does everyone use? I use Xcode for iOS development because there isn't really another option for me. Android Studio for Android development. For everything else I use VSCode [5/19/2020 11:28 AM] james_david_vance Also, today at 7pm I'll be going over the code for an app I made. The app lets you record your voice and play it back at different pitches on an on-screen keyboard 🎹 interface. [5/19/2020 11:29 AM] james_david_vance The app uses AVFoundation, a really cool framework from Apple for audio processing. I'll be demoing the app too. [5/19/2020 11:41 AM] aceat64 I use pyCharm and other Jet Brains stuff [5/19/2020 11:42 AM] james_david_vance I think I tried PyCharm once. Don't remember how I felt about it. I don't use Python very much, but I imagine PyCharm is way better than IDLE lol [5/19/2020 11:43 AM] james_david_vance Did not mean to all-caps that [5/20/2020 4:10 PM] kenpurcell {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/712774216285683770/python.jpg?ex=67b8ebb7&is=67b79a37&hm=dd96be7cc68a69fe8754c14a0ff25499ec89fa102dc86374d54e6ca6a73c6802& [5/20/2020 5:20 PM] andrew5152 those pythons look beyond introductory, to me... [5/20/2020 8:05 PM] denzuko5245 hi guys, found out that SDF has opened up thier dial in lines to the old bbs they ran back in the day. If anyone's up for checking it out; let me know and I'll PM dial in lines. [5/20/2020 8:06 PM] denzuko5245 @DJ Vance VIM. only ever vim. [5/20/2020 8:08 PM] denzuko5245 its on everything; normally by default. uses what 20-30 Mb (yes megabytes) of ram and is way more advance than any ide out of the box (excluding emacs) [5/20/2020 8:14 PM] denzuko5245 plus one can integrate it into everything. Currently using it to do a few spring boot, android native, and forge 1.12 projects. [5/20/2020 8:14 PM] denzuko5245 https://preview.redd.it/93alwdzq14w41.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=586f992dc91c482c5aee75f0b90eec965d8192e6 {Embed} https://preview.redd.it/93alwdzq14w41.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=586f992dc91c482c5aee75f0b90eec965d8192e6 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/YRB4SIjh9uGrrXaStGwsJ2_hUv31VWEqWlanbQmOj14/%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D586f992dc91c482c5aee75f0b90eec965d8192e6/https/preview.redd.it/93alwdzq14w41.png [5/20/2020 8:15 PM] denzuko5245 https://i.redd.it/8qrehhw71eu41.png {Embed} https://i.redd.it/8qrehhw71eu41.png https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/zd0rwfcY_krKkcr6Jg2d9G8jI116eP7n741roIt5F1E/https/i.redd.it/8qrehhw71eu41.png [5/20/2020 10:16 PM] denzuko5245 https://vimawesome.com/, https://vimcasts.org/, and https://reddit.com/r/vimporn to learn more {Embed} https://vimawesome.com/, Awesome Vim plugins from across the universe https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/W2-ROGsLvHO_z_8IxtPhqqg4ePTunuD5f20LQJOVl6w/https/vimawesome.com/static/img/og.png {Embed} https://reddit.com/r/vimporn r/vimporn {Reactions} ❤️ [5/26/2020 1:20 PM] james_david_vance Just replaced the lens on my gameboy. I might do a presentation on how to get started with gameboy development tonight. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/714905854843027526/IMG_20200526_131706__01.jpg?ex=67b96cb6&is=67b81b36&hm=6fc4a7eb8446b473042bddf2dc32adaacc019dbc208539c831620bcbb5ee7d27& [5/26/2020 1:42 PM] themitch22 I would enjoy that, do you need anything special like a rom cart or just using an emulator? [5/26/2020 1:43 PM] themitch22 I ordered a new shell and IPS screen for my GBA [5/26/2020 3:58 PM] nullinterface gotta be CGI {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/714945620187545620/koe1leg1m2151.jpg?ex=67b8e8fe&is=67b7977e&hm=52e630c85a8a7e9567d28ec816db5c52389e00ddb4630d46ae5e872435b556f8& [5/26/2020 4:07 PM] kenpurcell WTF? Wow that is some cable porn! [5/26/2020 4:19 PM] hon1nbo I've been in facilities that nice. I wanted to fall to my knees and cry but that would have made it look like I wasn't the employee I was pretending to be [5/26/2020 5:02 PM] james_david_vance > I would enjoy that, do you need anything special like a rom cart or just using an emulator? @themitch22 You can just use an emulator. Or, if you want to run it on a device, you can either get a flashable cartridge. There's also a cartridge that has a slot for a microSD card with games on it. I'm following this series: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeEj4c2zF7PaFv5MPYhNAkBGrkx4iPGJo The cartridge that accepts a microSD card: EXSEK EZFlash Junior Cartridge Flash cart for Gameboy GB GBC GBL GBA GBASP GBM https://www.amazon.com/dp/B083HG6CHX/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_pgzZEbW9KK0SX A tile editor to make your own sprites: http://www.devrs.com/gb/hmgd/gbtd.html The emulator the guy recommends: https://bgb.bircd.org/ {Embed} https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeEj4c2zF7PaFv5MPYhNAkBGrkx4iPGJo Learn how to develop your own GameBoy games - YouTube https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FQVAphN8adeSjyyEUu6e0o1Y7KbuYeqMil9xNIcIbPo/%3Fsqp%3D-oaymwEWCKgBEF5IWvKriqkDCQgBFQAAiEIYAQ%3D%3D%26rs%3DAOn4CLAFFzIius2pmfhvyNJ2NWh8CmBFng/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/HIsWR_jLdwo/hqdefault.jpg {Embed} https://bgb.bircd.org/ BGB GameBoy Emulator (current version: BGB 1.5.8) BGB is a GameBoy and Gameboy Color emulator and debugger for Windows and Wine [5/26/2020 7:00 PM] james_david_vance @themitch22 I'm going to teach people Hello World for the Gameboy as well as creating and displaying sprites. We'll start around 7:15, but I'll be hanging out in the Google Meeting until then. To join the video meeting, click this link: https://meet.google.com/sgh-ovnd-jxb {Embed} https://meet.google.com/sgh-ovnd-jxb Meet Real-time meetings by Google. Using your browser, share your video, desktop, and presentations with teammates and customers. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/esmkNqRvv_uM84r7jKXLg4PJYn6vHhrSoJ2Qs7oO2Z8/https/www.gstatic.com/images/branding/product/2x/meet_96dp.png {Reactions} 😁 [5/28/2020 2:17 PM] Deleted User https://youtu.be/k238XpMMn38 {Embed} shounic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k238XpMMn38 the rapidly dwindling sanity of valve programmers as expressed thro... ||| code courtesy of the tf source leak ||| Music: Hall of the Mountain King custom files --- https://pastebin.com/raw/e32aG4nP [ hud / crosshairs / hitsound / killsound / gfx cfg ] FAQ: Q: How did you make that? What editing software do you use? 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[6/3/2020 4:10 PM] draco_the_drake Does anyone know if the new computers are under education, infra or the computer committee? [6/3/2020 4:11 PM] draco_the_drake I saw the pics that @doug.emes posted a while back .... [6/3/2020 4:16 PM] yashsedai infra [6/3/2020 4:17 PM] draco_the_drake Cool [6/3/2020 4:22 PM] kenpurcell Infra since they are a space wide resource and they are tasked with operation and maintenance. {Reactions} 👍 [6/3/2020 4:30 PM] draco_the_drake But the tables are still Education [6/3/2020 4:31 PM] yashsedai lol [6/3/2020 4:31 PM] draco_the_drake Well.. they were talking about getting some custom ones for the computers ... maybe they are a package [6/3/2020 4:35 PM] yashsedai what you talkin bout willis [6/3/2020 4:35 PM] yashsedai who said this? [6/3/2020 4:38 PM] draco_the_drake https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/when-we-reopen-a-computer-lab/70293 "Furniture to change after we reopen." [6/3/2020 4:41 PM] yashsedai haha [6/3/2020 4:41 PM] yashsedai not likely [6/3/2020 10:28 PM] nullinterface changes to furniture are likely for *social distancing* [6/3/2020 10:37 PM] hardsuit Was there a list of the standard program list loaded on them? [6/3/2020 10:38 PM] hardsuit Thinking of doing a few OBS classes, so it'd be nice if that was standardly available [6/4/2020 12:33 AM] doug.emes Furniture t it'll change as the lightweight tables are not designed to support the weight of desktops, and wed like to not have people kicking the boxes constantly. That's all it meant. We literally were COVID19 blocked before we could pursue options. [6/4/2020 8:50 AM] Deleted User > Thinking of doing a few OBS classes, so it'd be nice if that was standardly available @Hardsuit You can contact infrastructure@dallasmakerspace.org to ask them to put OBS on the computers of it isn't already there. [6/4/2020 11:22 PM] slinkygn Late to the game, I know. But I saw this earlier: > @DJ Vance VIM. only ever vim. > > its on everything; normally by default. uses what 20-30 Mb (yes megabytes) of ram and is way more advance than any ide out of the box (excluding emacs) [6/4/2020 11:22 PM] slinkygn I have to say, that argument swayed me [6/4/2020 11:22 PM] slinkygn Not to use vim, but to use the *best* text editor. [6/4/2020 11:22 PM] slinkygn The *standard*. [6/4/2020 11:22 PM] slinkygn https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.en.html [6/10/2020 6:00 PM] Deleted User https://youtu.be/MTCYhbfSAuA {Embed} TechLead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTCYhbfSAuA Software Anti-Patterns: How to destroy a codebase for developers Ex-Google Tech Lead explains examples of spaghetti code and other eggcelent coding malpractices that will rot your codebase into extenuating eggs. Let me know your favorite coding anti-patterns in the comments below, would love to hear! 🎬🌟 NEW! 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[7/1/2020 5:44 PM] dinkbatt i got a shipment of ESP8266 NodeMCU units (tiny generic arduinos) ive flashed a beacon spam script. hoping to play around with MAC address extraction using common public wifi handshakes. [7/1/2020 5:44 PM] dinkbatt anyone do anything ~cool with these things? [7/1/2020 5:55 PM] yashsedai please keep them the hell away from DMS [7/1/2020 5:56 PM] yashsedai not being rude, just TIREDDDD of dealing with wifi issues {Reactions} 😈 [7/1/2020 6:20 PM] kentamanos @SackOvRats (Brenly) Nothing hacking related like that. I built a small website I could hit from my WiFi to open my gate with a connected garage remote control. Later I moved my AP and it became just a little too far for the ESP. If you go over to #electronics you can scroll up and see the hardware connection to the sacrificial garage remote. FWIW, I found how to attach to the gate controller directly and will repeat that when I get better WiFi in my back yard (and switch to MQTT). I also took a color LED D20 Pearce made and had it respond to REST calls for color pattern definition (posted that on Show and Tell for May or April, can't remember). Take a look at "ESPHome" for home automation ideas. I'm planning to build some to control my garage doors as well (close a relay to short two wires and probably some reed switches for detecting fully open/closed states). [7/1/2020 6:21 PM] kentamanos When it comes to the ESP8266 (and a lesser extent the ESP32), one thing to figure out is "which pins are best". Some have conditions at bootup (bad for generic input) and some output weird values at bootup (bad for generic output). [7/1/2020 6:22 PM] kentamanos This spot in this video has a good diagram: https://youtu.be/7h2bE2vNoaY?t=36 {Embed} The Hook Up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h2bE2vNoaY&start=36 How To: Pick the right pins on the NodeMCU ESP8266 and ESP32 ESP8266 NodeMCU Pin Diagram: https://github.com/thehookup/Wireless_MQTT_Doorbell/blob/master/GPIO_Limitations_ESP8266_NodeMCU.jpg ESP32 NodeMCU Pin Diagram: https://github.com/thehookup/ESP32_Ceiling_Light/blob/master/GPIO_Limitations_ESP32_NodeMCU.jpg The ESP32 Pins Outputt... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KxZpYNn04qpuNBzIp1qTzZAMGVFQGQLcZ7WrFBXKwAM/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/7h2bE2vNoaY/maxresdefault.jpg [7/1/2020 6:23 PM] kentamanos (that guy has some good Home Automation videos in general, especially if you want to stay off of the cloud) {Reactions} 👍 [7/3/2020 10:41 PM] dinkbatt hmm i'll look into home automation stuff. that might be fun to poke around with. [7/3/2020 10:46 PM] dinkbatt thanks guys! {Reactions} 👍 [7/12/2020 12:19 PM] james_david_vance https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/15844 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/731922677585018981/Screenshot_20200712-121612.jpg?ex=67b95e5c&is=67b80cdc&hm=41955c15e87dfb861cfd61ac93a544c44331b6c6c26e4c0c60a1543e6f8454c6& [7/22/2020 9:46 PM] denzuko5245 @Hackerspace chair https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/08062020-bod-agenda-item-dissolve-computer-committee-and-hatchers-committee/73258 [7/22/2020 9:46 PM] denzuko5245 Guys, we're really needing everyone to speak up on this agenda item. [7/22/2020 11:05 PM] skyspook Definitely speak up on that, and feel free to reach out to me as well. I'd like to see the group get together before the board meeting if possible. [7/22/2020 11:07 PM] skyspook And nevermind, I see the meeting on the 29th now, so I'll see you there 🙂 [7/22/2020 11:50 PM] slinkygn I honest to goodness can't come up with what to say. The idea that computers don't take up space... I mean, I am practically certain he doesn't mean ill or anything, but I don't understand the argument made *at all*. [7/22/2020 11:51 PM] slinkygn And that's entirely ignoring the museum, which is *presently* taking up space -- where does the argument that the committee doesn't need space arise from, when it's already using some? [7/22/2020 11:54 PM] slinkygn Heck, don't we ostensibly have a "computer lab" now? Considering how we've had instruction for every other committee in e.g. Interactive or the purple room or just about anywhere before now, I'd think that having a designated "computer lab" would be most useful in facilitating *computing* classes -- software, or networking, or even Get To Know Your PC 101 -- and as such should be "space" designated to the Computer Committee, rather than Ed or Infra. [7/22/2020 11:54 PM] slinkygn In the same way that when one takes an airbrushing class, the airbrushes are CA's and not Ed's or such. [7/22/2020 11:54 PM] slinkygn I guess I just don't know what we'd be arguing *against*. [7/23/2020 3:09 AM] hon1nbo The computer lab falls under Education. The museum takes up space, but it doesn't need to i.e. what benefit is it serving our mission. [7/23/2020 3:10 AM] hon1nbo Historically VCC and SDC, which formed the computer/hacker space committee, were sorely lacking in useful activity [7/23/2020 5:24 AM] slinkygn Our mission is educational. A museum *literally* falls directly under our mission. [7/23/2020 5:26 AM] slinkygn And seeing as that's the case historically, "historically" we did not give the precursors space. That happens to have precisely zero relevance to the committee in question right now, and the "useful activities" in question right now. [7/23/2020 5:27 AM] slinkygn We typically try to avoid engaging in things that are against our mission. Are you saying you think the museum should not be part of the space? [7/23/2020 5:36 AM] slinkygn I don't think VECTOR would like that argument either, when used to remove pinball tables from the public areas (clearly not space assigned to VECTOR, of course). Or did our mission become entertainment? Not to mention - how many classes/events get taught out of VECTOR proper? Did they even *have* an event in 2019, other than retrocomputing or 2600 events (save committee meetings, obviously) which would actually fall under Computer Committee except that the calendar doesn't actually have that category? (Pretty sure the answer to that is either "no, they didn't" or "they had fewer than one per quarter.") [7/23/2020 5:40 AM] slinkygn To be clear: curbing VECTOR's space or committee designation would be ridiculous. I'm simply pointing out that the reason that's ridiculous is directly tied to the fact that we *don't* measure the validity of a committee based purely on someone's conception of what does or doesn't "meet our mission," because seen more ecumenically (and correctly) our mission can and always has encompassed a very broad view of what making/hacking can be, and has been driven not by seasonal opinion on that point but on the engagement of the membership. [7/23/2020 5:41 AM] slinkygn If something's popular, it lives. If it's popular enough to grow and maintain interest and enough people to sustain a leadership structure of its own, it gets a committee. If that changes in a year or three -- that's not a problem; we've been happy to promote and demote committees before, and we'll continue doing that as the membership ebbs and flows. [7/23/2020 5:43 AM] slinkygn Case in point: Plastics was supposed to be a committee by now. What happened? Interest died off a bit, and there weren't enough people around to sustain a leadership structure that would keep it going. So it remained a SIG, and at this point largely is only that nominally (as it doesn't have any leadership designated at all at this point, per my understanding from the last conversation about it in the machine shop channel). [7/23/2020 5:48 AM] slinkygn tl;dr "The museum is not within our mission" (holding, or at least entertaining, that opinion being the only reason one would ask "it doesn't need to take up space, what benefit is it serving our mission") is both fundamentally incorrect, as it does fall within our mission, and as deeply flawed as a point of argument as saying e.g. "member art hanging on our walls should be taken down, that space isn't CA's and displaying art doesn't fall within our mission." Nor does kids' projects on public school walls, the same grinch would argue. But within the context of education and learning environments, engaging membership and keeping them interested and fascinated with what we do absolutely *is* fundamental to our mission. [7/23/2020 5:55 AM] doug.emes 👏 [7/23/2020 6:00 AM] doug.emes i think we should absolutely talk with the newly elected BoD members before any dissolves. {Reactions} 👍 [7/23/2020 8:29 AM] slinkygn crossposting from electronics: Does anyone here, by chance, own a Wooting keyboard? Got an experiment one may want to try if they do; I've just been talking to the keyboard developers and found an oddity with their build they're going to be asking the factory about [7/23/2020 10:03 AM] kenpurcell As far as SDC & VCC, it is the lack of any actions after multiple prods from multiple Boards. It is basically time to put up or shutup. [7/23/2020 10:34 AM] hon1nbo ^^ this. Unlike the 10x10, or vector, or any of the other stuff you mentioned, the "museum" doesn't drive engagement. It doesn't promote the arts or effective learning. Classes aren't happening effectively. If it doesn't do classes, if it doesn't engage members, if it doesn't promote the space or the arts, then why does it get to be a committee? The committee has been given numerous chances to get off the ground but there simply isn't engagement to show for it. It doesn't have the external presence that something like Vector has; it doesn't have the engagement that the creative committees have. And, frankly, the "museum" stuff has always just looked like a dumping ground with things not in a clearly usable state, nor was it really curated or anything educational presented about the contents [7/23/2020 2:10 PM] james_david_vance I think you can have a community of computer geeks without having a permanent and exclusive space. You can have classes and events. When it comes to education stuff, the only thing I can think of that would require permanent exclusive space would be graphics cards for ML. I believe there are plans to make some hardware that is very powerful for training ML models available at the space and over the network. But that doesn't require much space and I don't think some Nvidia Teslas (apparently renamed to Ampere bc of confusion with the car company) warrant a whole committee. The other thing is that I would be very surprised if you couldn't work with the board to move the vintage computer exhibit to the front lobby if you cane up with a way to make it more interactive. To me the bottom line is: if we want to foster a community, let's do more events, let's do more classes, let's do more projects. Currently, I'm working on making an iOS application with the server Jim donated to me. I'd love to work with someone more familiar with the back end side of things. And then we could put together a presentation of how the application works afterward and make an event out of it. Wouldn't that be cool? [7/23/2020 5:38 PM] hon1nbo So to clarify, it's not that these things can't happen (the ML model support, maybe even the museum if it was actually more than just a raw assembly) but that they'd be better served by different groups. The ML backing for the workstations would be better maintained by Education to divy up the computer lab and resources for teaching. The museum if it can develop would probably fair better under PR as an interactive event type of thing [7/23/2020 5:38 PM] hon1nbo Just as the committees currently stand not much is being contributed to the space [7/23/2020 5:41 PM] james_david_vance I think that makes sense [7/23/2020 9:05 PM] slinkygn You are literally talking to members that are engaged with the things you say no one is engaged in. Otherwise, why would we be advocating for them? If they're not of interest, nobody's interested and no one will advocate. This is really a very simple problem to remedy -- simply listen to members about what they care about. [7/23/2020 9:06 PM] yashsedai @slinkygn (George) who is engaged in it [7/23/2020 9:07 PM] slinkygn I check in on the museum regularly, and have pieces I'd like to contribute. @denzuko has specifically advocated for it, loudly and often. I imagine the other contributors have contributed because they're interested, and the fact that they contributed itself is engagement. [7/23/2020 9:09 PM] slinkygn It's literally self-evident -- the fact the things themselves exist speak to their having extant engagement, and people who advocate for not removing things currently in the space advocate for them because they are either engaged in them or want to be. [7/23/2020 9:13 PM] slinkygn This is basically taking a club to the Python Holy Grail "I'm not dead yet!" guy. It's really much funnier when it remains fiction. Carry a "dead" guy out to be disposed of and he starts telling you not to, maybe consider you're mistaken about his being dead. Maybe actually "getting better!" [7/23/2020 9:13 PM] slinkygn ...two Python references in two days. yassss #lifegoals [7/23/2020 9:13 PM] slinkygn (Monty, not NuBasic.) [7/23/2020 9:15 PM] slinkygn We used to have a rack full of Cisco switches and routers, running recent-enough versions of IOS to be useful for training purposes. Unfortunately, there wasn't a computer committee back then. It lived in Science, so nobody that would have been interested knew about it (and moreover, nobody that found it could seem to find anyone to ok it's moving and use -- I know, I tried plenty), and eventually went away. [7/23/2020 9:19 PM] slinkygn "Can" you do something for a computing "committee" without space? Of course you can. You could also do stuff for science committee without space. I mean, certainly no hands-on classes, right? Heck, even Motorsports hasn't had any space historically. The question isn't "can they do without." The question is, "can they benefit from it." And from there it's a question of whether there are people involved that are interested and willing to perpetuate it. [7/23/2020 9:19 PM] slinkygn Which, again, should have sufficient answer from the fact that we're having this discussion. [7/23/2020 9:20 PM] slinkygn On surely unrelated topics (...), hope the VECTOR meeting tonight was good. Unfortunately missed it, myself. [7/23/2020 9:24 PM] slinkygn Not something I expected anyone would want to engage on when I brought it up -- understandably, as it seems pretty self-evident; just don't know why some feel like that doesn't apply here. (Same with the computer lab, for that matter, as I mentioned before re: shared committee-specific resources in the space.) [7/23/2020 9:49 PM] yashsedai so your stance that what was done in the past justifies the complete and utter lack of any real contribution by this committee in the last 3 years? [7/23/2020 9:49 PM] yashsedai there is literally no contribution [7/23/2020 9:50 PM] yashsedai the "museum" isn't a museum, the rack contains nothing useful besides the cell repeater. [7/23/2020 9:50 PM] yashsedai @slinkygn (George) when was the last time you were involved or came to the space? [7/23/2020 9:50 PM] yashsedai i'm guessing its been a long long while [7/23/2020 9:51 PM] slinkygn It has been a *very* long while for me. [7/23/2020 9:51 PM] slinkygn Like, three weeks, I think. [7/23/2020 9:51 PM] slinkygn I'm usually there multiple times a week. [7/23/2020 9:51 PM] slinkygn Gotta say, I like the quiet-like-a-morgue vibe it's got going. [7/23/2020 9:52 PM] slinkygn I was certainly there a couple times a week for a couple of weeks after opening. But I've been telling myself I'm not heading back in until I finish a model I'd like to 3D print -- and I've been tearing my hair out over it for a couple of weeks' worth of spare time now. Working on it now, as a matter of fact. [7/23/2020 9:54 PM] slinkygn The museum has actually rotated exhibits, btw. 🙂 Granted, not often. But again, probably about as often as the wall art changed, or as a machine moved in and out of Vector. [7/23/2020 9:54 PM] slinkygn And yes, the rack is empty. It's also not the old rack that I was referring to. As in, not even the same physical entity. [7/23/2020 9:55 PM] slinkygn That, again, no longer exists in the space. As of years ago. [7/23/2020 9:55 PM] slinkygn Back before there was a VCC, even. [7/23/2020 9:55 PM] slinkygn (Pretty sure. It was close, but I don't think it was that close. If I'm wrong, I'm sure @denzuko will correct me on that.) [7/23/2020 9:56 PM] slinkygn (Assuming he saw the network rack in Science in the first place! 🙂 I'd hope so, but dunno.) [7/23/2020 9:56 PM] slinkygn I still think the live, usable C64 should have stayed as a permanent museum fixture. 🙂 [7/23/2020 9:58 PM] slinkygn Another unrelated aside: assumptions are funny things, ain't they. [7/23/2020 9:59 PM] slinkygn Is the tag database still publicly accessible? I'm sure you could find out to the day the last time I was there. [7/23/2020 10:03 PM] yashsedai ofc its not [7/23/2020 10:04 PM] slinkygn ah, ok. Literally hadn't worked on it since the Chinese entry system days, so wasn't sure. [7/23/2020 10:05 PM] slinkygn Will, "after reopening, and multiple times," suffice for the purposes of your question? [7/23/2020 10:05 PM] yashsedai it answers my question [7/23/2020 10:06 PM] slinkygn I appreciate the precision in that answer. [7/23/2020 10:06 PM] slinkygn It was clear from how the question was asked that whether the answer would "suffice" was predetermined, even if I'd been there daily. [7/23/2020 10:09 PM] yashsedai you assume much to know little about me [7/23/2020 10:16 PM] slinkygn Do I? I simply "assume" that you have no idea how often I'm in the space, Freddy. An assumption that seems to have proven true. Beyond that, I don't find myself assuming much of anything about you. [7/23/2020 10:16 PM] slinkygn I haven't been telling you whether you participate in XYZ committee -- that's been you, telling me. I haven't been telling you how often you're in the space, that's been you, telling me. [7/23/2020 10:17 PM] slinkygn In a way, I'm flattered. I'm sorry I can't say I spend much time assuming anything about you at all. Nothing personal -- I just haven't seen the need. Doesn't get me faster print times, or 15 minutes shaved off my strut change, or any more facility with hot-air rework or whatever. [7/23/2020 10:43 PM] hon1nbo it's not a museum, it's a collection of non-useful items without context, documentation, or effective presentation [7/23/2020 10:44 PM] hon1nbo to be contributing to the community [7/23/2020 10:44 PM] hon1nbo it would require more than just *you* or a couple of other people to be using it [7/23/2020 10:44 PM] hon1nbo it would require *engaging* the membership [7/23/2020 10:44 PM] slinkygn Sure, like Vector does. [7/23/2020 10:44 PM] hon1nbo it's a fallacy to say simply because the items are *extand* somehow implies usefulness [7/23/2020 10:44 PM] hon1nbo vector actually *does* engage people and promote the space [7/23/2020 10:44 PM] slinkygn Perhaps official recognition and a way to post event items tagged to the group would aid in that. [7/23/2020 10:44 PM] hon1nbo unlike computer committee currently does [7/23/2020 10:44 PM] hon1nbo except they've had it [7/23/2020 10:45 PM] hon1nbo they wasted it [7/23/2020 10:45 PM] hon1nbo this is why it's being discussed to remove that recognition [7/23/2020 10:45 PM] slinkygn Again: Vector has had zero events on the calendar, save for their committee meetings, in the past year [7/23/2020 10:45 PM] hon1nbo they did nothing with it [7/23/2020 10:45 PM] slinkygn everything tagged "vector" has actually been computer [7/23/2020 10:45 PM] hon1nbo except that's not true [7/23/2020 10:45 PM] hon1nbo they host events *outside* the space and regularly engage the community in various ways [7/23/2020 10:45 PM] hon1nbo heck even just having someone present for *tours* is engagement [7/23/2020 10:45 PM] hon1nbo except not [7/23/2020 10:45 PM] hon1nbo Texas Pinball Festival being a great example [7/23/2020 10:46 PM] slinkygn And Computer hosts events that don't show up on the calendar as well [7/23/2020 10:46 PM] hon1nbo of representing the space in a very visible way and engaging people [7/23/2020 10:46 PM] hon1nbo except where's that shown? [7/23/2020 10:46 PM] hon1nbo what was actually done? [7/23/2020 10:46 PM] hon1nbo unlike Vector, no one seems to see such things [7/23/2020 10:46 PM] hon1nbo except for supposedly a handful of people that have at one point run the committee [7/23/2020 10:46 PM] slinkygn as for TPF, the number of members "engaged" in that can be counted on two hands -- possibly with one to spare, depending on the year -- and that's for a committee that's been around nearly as long as DMS itself. [7/23/2020 10:46 PM] hon1nbo and argued for it without showing results [7/23/2020 10:47 PM] slinkygn I mean, I didn't run Computer. I see such things. [7/23/2020 10:47 PM] hon1nbo hell we killed some servers because Dwight, despite saying they're community and committee projects, couldn't produce *a single user* of said systems [7/23/2020 10:47 PM] hon1nbo so we killed all the VCC cloud and servers [7/23/2020 10:47 PM] hon1nbo because *they were costing us money with zero contribution* [7/23/2020 10:47 PM] slinkygn I was *literally* introduced to the committee via the museum. [7/23/2020 10:47 PM] hon1nbo as a museum, and nothing more, it should be under PR [7/23/2020 10:47 PM] hon1nbo if it can get its act in order [7/23/2020 10:47 PM] slinkygn ah, so that's why they went away. [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] hon1nbo there is no reason for a computer committee at this point [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] hon1nbo no one on the committee [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] hon1nbo past or present [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] slinkygn Again: really easy to make a population seem invisible by giving them no organized fashion in which to meet. [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] hon1nbo could identify a single user outside of Dwight [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] hon1nbo or what they were [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] hon1nbo they chose not to have anything to meet [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] hon1nbo because they never met [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] hon1nbo they were given all the resources every committee had [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] hon1nbo and did nothign [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] slinkygn So the CTFs were imaginary? [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] hon1nbo they were given an ultimatum by the last board [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] hon1nbo and squandarded it [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] slinkygn The 2600 meetup? [7/23/2020 10:48 PM] slinkygn The retrocomputing meetups? [7/23/2020 10:49 PM] slinkygn Pretty sure I recall *people* at them. [7/23/2020 10:49 PM] hon1nbo the only CTF I'm aware of during my entire membership was my first year, had tons of complaints, and that was it [7/23/2020 10:49 PM] hon1nbo and those events can still happen [7/23/2020 10:49 PM] slinkygn Which is more than I can say for a number of groups. [7/23/2020 10:49 PM] hon1nbo but those aren't committee meetings [7/23/2020 10:49 PM] slinkygn There were multiple CTFs. [7/23/2020 10:49 PM] hon1nbo those are just *outside events* [7/23/2020 10:49 PM] slinkygn Bet you would've been more likely to see them if they could've gone on the calendar. [7/23/2020 10:49 PM] slinkygn *Inside* events. [7/23/2020 10:49 PM] hon1nbo dude, I'm a calendar auditor [7/23/2020 10:49 PM] hon1nbo I see everything regularly [7/23/2020 10:49 PM] slinkygn I think the last CTF posting is still on a whiteboard in the old lobby. [7/23/2020 10:50 PM] hon1nbo they can go on the calendar [7/23/2020 10:50 PM] hon1nbo they either chose not to [7/23/2020 10:50 PM] slinkygn Under what tag? [7/23/2020 10:50 PM] slinkygn Vector? [7/23/2020 10:50 PM] hon1nbo or they were organized outside the committee [7/23/2020 10:50 PM] slinkygn The irony can't possibly escape you. [7/23/2020 10:50 PM] hon1nbo either way, that's not something that needs a committee [7/23/2020 10:50 PM] hon1nbo that's a SIG or just a general meetuo [7/23/2020 10:50 PM] hon1nbo those events don't need funds [7/23/2020 10:50 PM] hon1nbo they don't need space [7/23/2020 10:50 PM] slinkygn They were organized by the committee chair; you can take that up with him. [7/23/2020 10:50 PM] hon1nbo 2600 meetups have been a thing long before DMS [7/23/2020 10:50 PM] slinkygn I got the impression they were organized in whatever way he could manage. [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] hon1nbo the face they were hosted at DMS doesn't mean that he organized them directly [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] slinkygn non sequitur [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] hon1nbo nor that they will stop when the committee does [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] slinkygn it was ON THE CALENDAR [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] hon1nbo and? [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] hon1nbo this needs to be a committee how? [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] hon1nbo that isn't what makes a committee [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] hon1nbo someone hosts Access COntrol summits at DMS with regularity [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] slinkygn on the calendar = organized within DMS [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] slinkygn "inside" event [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] hon1nbo do we need an Access COntrol Committee? [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] hon1nbo NO [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] slinkygn you're playing at straw men, and doing it poorly. [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] hon1nbo dude, on the calendar doesn't mean DMS is the organizer [7/23/2020 10:51 PM] hon1nbo it often just means it's the host [7/23/2020 10:52 PM] hon1nbo there are plenty of events where we're hosting because one of the partakers happens to be a member that offers to reserve a room [7/23/2020 10:52 PM] hon1nbo and as a non-profit we allow this [7/23/2020 10:52 PM] slinkygn Well, it just so happened that it was both. Like with most events. [7/23/2020 10:52 PM] hon1nbo you clearly have no idea what you're talking about [7/23/2020 10:52 PM] hon1nbo so I'm done [7/23/2020 10:52 PM] hon1nbo it's just circular arguments with you [7/23/2020 10:52 PM] slinkygn Again, you're straw-manning. [7/23/2020 10:52 PM] slinkygn I can't control a circular argument when you're running circuits from point to point trying to keep them all in the air. [7/23/2020 10:53 PM] slinkygn That ain't me. [7/23/2020 10:53 PM] slinkygn Involvement: events were held, members attended. Within the space, and certainly more than some other groups in the space. Which doesn't mean they should go, but rather that the threshold should be consistent. [7/23/2020 10:54 PM] slinkygn Space requirement: it literally *already* uses space. That space is no worse used than, say, Small Metals (previously). And it is no less enriching to have space for equipment than Science's space is. [7/23/2020 10:54 PM] yashsedai I would love to know the last date of a computer committee event [7/23/2020 10:55 PM] yashsedai how about the last 5 for arguements sake [7/23/2020 10:55 PM] slinkygn Your grudge re: the VCC servers -- irrelevant to whether a committee needs space, and thus as to whether something currently with committee designation should remain so. [7/23/2020 10:55 PM] slinkygn Freddy, I don't think you've been listening. [7/23/2020 10:55 PM] slinkygn Check the calendar under "Vector," for the past year. [7/23/2020 10:55 PM] slinkygn Skip all the Vector committee meetings. [7/23/2020 10:57 PM] slinkygn (and of course anything about "vector graphics") [7/23/2020 10:58 PM] yashsedai lol [7/23/2020 10:59 PM] yashsedai love how you tell me i've not been listening [7/23/2020 11:00 PM] slinkygn Well, when the shoe fits. [7/23/2020 11:00 PM] slinkygn 1/25/2020 Retrocomputing meetup 10/12/2019 Retrocomputing meetup 9/2/2019 2600 meeting (offsite, hosted by Dwight, still on calendar) 7/27/2019 Retrocomputing meetup [7/23/2020 11:00 PM] slinkygn And I skipped two events that I'd say are clearly Computer but I'm sure somebody would want to call Vector [7/23/2020 11:02 PM] hon1nbo meetups aren't the same as what a committee does dude [7/23/2020 11:02 PM] hon1nbo until you understand that [7/23/2020 11:02 PM] hon1nbo you won't understand the core of the issue [7/23/2020 11:02 PM] slinkygn 4/23/2020 Process of Arcade ROM Hacking 6/30/2019 Build a MAME machine with a Raspberry Pi [7/23/2020 11:03 PM] slinkygn Seriously, you think you'll get somewhere by lecturing me on what a committee does? [7/23/2020 11:03 PM] slinkygn (Or not lecturing, and just presuming my ignorance, I suppose?) [7/23/2020 11:04 PM] slinkygn What is it with you and Freddy conveniently forgetting that I've been a member since 2013, and a plenty active and present (and involved in various committees) member? [7/23/2020 11:04 PM] hon1nbo and these justify a committee rather than a SIG under something else how? [7/23/2020 11:04 PM] hon1nbo again [7/23/2020 11:04 PM] hon1nbo you're missing the core of the issue [7/23/2020 11:05 PM] hon1nbo I'm not forgettin [7/23/2020 11:05 PM] hon1nbo I just don't care [7/23/2020 11:05 PM] hon1nbo the facts are simple here [7/23/2020 11:05 PM] hon1nbo there's nothing to justify this as a committee in its current status [7/23/2020 11:05 PM] slinkygn The justification for a committee is that it has a good reason to claim and use space that would enrich educational programs. [7/23/2020 11:05 PM] hon1nbo except it doesn't [7/23/2020 11:05 PM] hon1nbo things like the museum would fit better under PR [7/23/2020 11:05 PM] hon1nbo the other items would work cleanly under either education or electronics [7/23/2020 11:05 PM] slinkygn The museum is *one* thing -- and tell CA to quit putting stuff on the walls if you think the museum should go under PR. [7/23/2020 11:05 PM] hon1nbo it doesn't require its own committee [7/23/2020 11:06 PM] hon1nbo the walls are quire a bit different [7/23/2020 11:06 PM] hon1nbo than what people on tours ask is the pile of junk [7/23/2020 11:06 PM] hon1nbo that is "the museum" [7/23/2020 11:06 PM] slinkygn Education is not, never has been and never should be a "catch-all" for categories of education we don't want to trouble ourselves with naming despite the fact that there are plenty of people that want to be involved in it. [7/23/2020 11:06 PM] hon1nbo computer committee would do just fine *as a SIG* [7/23/2020 11:06 PM] hon1nbo it doesn't need to be *a committee* [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] slinkygn Nobody was calling it a "pile of junk" when they could play Oregon Trail there. Odd. [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] hon1nbo except plenty of people do [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] hon1nbo because it appears that way [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] hon1nbo since it's not a museum [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] slinkygn I wonder if it started getting called a pile of junk because it got thrown in a side room like a pile of junk. [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] hon1nbo despite continued efforts to call it such [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] hon1nbo even before it got moved [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] slinkygn Plenty of people *don't*. [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] hon1nbo back when I first joined [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] hon1nbo it was a mess [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] slinkygn Maybe they do too. [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] hon1nbo with no explanation [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] hon1nbo no curation [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] hon1nbo no documentation [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] slinkygn Your anecdote is about as good as mine. [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] slinkygn And as relevant. [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] hon1nbo the fact of the matter is [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] hon1nbo museums are different [7/23/2020 11:07 PM] hon1nbo this was not a museum [7/23/2020 11:08 PM] hon1nbo that's not an anecdote [7/23/2020 11:08 PM] hon1nbo that's a fact [7/23/2020 11:08 PM] hon1nbo anyway I'm just gonna mute this now [7/23/2020 11:08 PM] hon1nbo you can't look at this objectively [7/23/2020 11:08 PM] slinkygn You note shortfalls in the museum, and yet can't imagine going forward instead of backward. [7/23/2020 11:08 PM] slinkygn Say, with an actual named and recognized committee that could write up explanations for the items. [7/23/2020 11:08 PM] slinkygn That WERE curated. [7/23/2020 11:08 PM] slinkygn You are incorrect in that. [7/23/2020 11:08 PM] slinkygn As I mentioned, they were even rotated. [7/23/2020 11:10 PM] slinkygn The "fact" of whether something is validly "a museum" isn't up to your dictum. Fact, yes. Unfortunately that fact is dictated by the dictionary and common usage, not your concern about the "lots of people" that conveniently agree with you that it's "junk." [7/23/2020 11:10 PM] slinkygn And the funny thing is -- a rose by any other name. [7/23/2020 11:10 PM] yashsedai Plenty of people can imagine a functional museum, we just dont have the manpower or the interest [7/23/2020 11:10 PM] slinkygn It's a "display", not a "museum"? I'd disagree. But it doesn't actually matter. [7/23/2020 11:10 PM] yashsedai i've seen plenty of interesting simple museums for all kinds of things, they had labels, etc [7/23/2020 11:10 PM] slinkygn And I'm telling you, people arguing with you make up the manpower and the interest. [7/23/2020 11:11 PM] yashsedai an interest of 2 isn't a committee [7/23/2020 11:11 PM] slinkygn Would you prefer it called an interactive display? (Interactive, before it was torn down and moved?) [7/23/2020 11:11 PM] slinkygn Has more than that. Talk threads bear that out. [7/23/2020 11:11 PM] yashsedai i'd prefer to call it a junk pile that random shit gets put in and nobody does anything with except denzuko and that's only after he is forced [7/23/2020 11:11 PM] slinkygn It had as much explanation as 99% of the art on the walls over the years. [7/23/2020 11:13 PM] slinkygn Look, because you two never played with the C64, or the Pi Amiga emulator, or what have you and never saw anyone else doing it, doesn't mean there's no interest, or that it's a random junk pile, or anything else like that. Nor should it be. [7/23/2020 11:13 PM] slinkygn That's antithetical to the space. [7/23/2020 11:13 PM] yashsedai Actually, as someone who has had to help clean up the random messes, I'd say I've got a pretty good viewpoint [7/23/2020 11:14 PM] slinkygn Yeah, cuz I've *never* done that. [7/23/2020 11:14 PM] slinkygn I don't have to like what CA is doing for CA to justify CA's existence. Can we at least agree on that? The measure of the validity of a group at the space is its involvement. [7/23/2020 11:14 PM] yashsedai CA has classes [7/23/2020 11:14 PM] slinkygn We are clearly differing on the level of involvement that exists for this. [7/23/2020 11:14 PM] yashsedai CA has vitality [7/23/2020 11:15 PM] yashsedai vcc/computer has none [7/23/2020 11:15 PM] yashsedai ca has freaking meetings and active sigs [7/23/2020 11:15 PM] slinkygn Yes, and so did Computer. As I posted already. Feel free to cross-check me with the calendar if you don't believe me; I posted the dates. [7/23/2020 11:15 PM] yashsedai i did cross check you [7/23/2020 11:15 PM] slinkygn There is no VCC. Can you guys get over the past already? [7/23/2020 11:15 PM] slinkygn Good. Then you saw those were accurate. [7/23/2020 11:15 PM] slinkygn A Raspberry Pi emulation class is Computer. It is *not* VECTOR. [7/23/2020 11:15 PM] slinkygn Electromechanical. It's in the name. [7/23/2020 11:16 PM] yashsedai except it was taught by electronics people [7/23/2020 11:16 PM] yashsedai not vcc/computer [7/23/2020 11:16 PM] slinkygn Out of curiosity, which am I? [7/23/2020 11:16 PM] slinkygn Cuz I thought I was a *member*. Since when is anyone an "electronics person?" [7/23/2020 11:16 PM] slinkygn They were electronics people and computer people. [7/23/2020 11:16 PM] yashsedai lol nice try but thats not gonna work [7/23/2020 11:17 PM] yashsedai people associate with committees [7/23/2020 11:17 PM] slinkygn Seeing as the RasbPi class had everything to do with software and next to nothing with electronics. [7/23/2020 11:17 PM] slinkygn Of course they do. [7/23/2020 11:17 PM] slinkygn MULTIPLE committees. [7/23/2020 11:17 PM] slinkygn Plural. That's the entire point. [7/23/2020 11:17 PM] slinkygn David Kessinger taught an auto class. [7/23/2020 11:17 PM] yashsedai not sure what kind of congitive dissonance it requires to believe that vcc/computer is a committee but ok [7/23/2020 11:17 PM] slinkygn Did he get fired from Machine Shop chair? [7/23/2020 11:17 PM] slinkygn No. That would be *stupid*. [7/23/2020 11:18 PM] slinkygn Heeeey there you went. [7/23/2020 11:18 PM] yashsedai ah but you see those both of those committees have space and people that utilize them [7/23/2020 11:18 PM] slinkygn I was starting to wonder. [7/23/2020 11:18 PM] yashsedai vcc doesn't [7/23/2020 11:18 PM] yashsedai it has dwight [7/23/2020 11:18 PM] slinkygn It'd been like, what, ten whole minutes since you threw out a thinly veiled ad hominem? [7/23/2020 11:18 PM] slinkygn I utilized it. I wasn't the chair, certainly. I saw others utilize it. Granted, I didn't collect names. [7/23/2020 11:19 PM] slinkygn I went to meetings under the auspices of the committee. There were others there than Dwight and me. [7/23/2020 11:19 PM] yashsedai where are the minutes? [7/23/2020 11:19 PM] yashsedai ohhh thats right, you guys couldn't be bothered [7/23/2020 11:20 PM] slinkygn Oh, good, I've been waiting for a chance to put on an official sort of hat and tell someone that whoever told them "if there aren't minutes it didn't happen" is utterly incorrect -- not to mention, plainly obviously so. [7/23/2020 11:20 PM] slinkygn I've heard a lot of "interesting" takes on parliamentary law as a registered parliamentarian. That one's certainly in the top 10. [7/23/2020 11:21 PM] yashsedai tell them all you want [7/23/2020 11:21 PM] yashsedai you'll get laughed at [7/23/2020 11:22 PM] slinkygn Well, seeing as I'm the professional in that given field, they can laugh all they want. I don't really care. [7/23/2020 11:22 PM] yashsedai maybe your not getting it [7/23/2020 11:23 PM] slinkygn And if you want Computer's minutes for 2019, you'll find them with 3D Fab's. [7/23/2020 11:23 PM] yashsedai haha [7/23/2020 11:23 PM] slinkygn Or are we getting rid of that as a committee too? [7/23/2020 11:23 PM] slinkygn Right. Poor governance is *another* non-reason for getting rid of a committee. [7/23/2020 11:23 PM] yashsedai seriously, you are way out of touch [7/23/2020 11:23 PM] yashsedai thats totally fine [7/23/2020 11:24 PM] slinkygn Though, again, your standards are super high for a group that's been trying to be given the rights of an actual committee for this long. [7/23/2020 11:24 PM] slinkygn Apparently I'm so "out of touch" that you're not there often enough to see me. [7/23/2020 11:24 PM] yashsedai heh, must be true [7/23/2020 11:25 PM] yashsedai you don't fail to disappoint with the parlimentarian bit either [7/23/2020 11:25 PM] slinkygn Maybe you could help me out? I'm looking for the Motorsport committee minutes. Any idea where those may be? [7/23/2020 11:25 PM] slinkygn Yeah, I *love* that you think that's an arbitrarily made-up thing. [7/23/2020 11:25 PM] slinkygn It's okay. People like you get people like me paid. [7/23/2020 11:26 PM] yashsedai oh I know that is not made up, i just don't think it has any bearing on our organization [7/23/2020 11:26 PM] slinkygn Even better. People like you get people like me paid *twice*. [7/23/2020 11:26 PM] yashsedai to be more precise, your involvement as a parlimentarian has no relevance to DMS [7/23/2020 11:26 PM] slinkygn "We don't follow Robert's!" Right? I'm guessing that's your objection? [7/23/2020 11:26 PM] yashsedai yes, yes, you think you have some superiority here [7/23/2020 11:26 PM] slinkygn Because parliamentary law only applies when Robert's is used? [7/23/2020 11:27 PM] yashsedai Didn't say it, just know that YOU have nothing to do with our governance [7/23/2020 11:27 PM] slinkygn Because members to a state-recognized corporation don't, y'know, have *rights* which there rules for the protection of have been created in jurisprudence since forever ago? [7/23/2020 11:27 PM] yashsedai great, your a registered professional parlimentarian, have a cookie [7/23/2020 11:27 PM] slinkygn Oh, I unfortunately do. Since I am, after all, a member. [7/23/2020 11:28 PM] yashsedai mmm, self importance too [7/23/2020 11:28 PM] yashsedai where is my sponge bob meme [7/23/2020 11:28 PM] slinkygn And I, as you everyone else, have a right to my opinion on the space's governance -- including its "interpretation" of parliamentary procedure. [7/23/2020 11:29 PM] yashsedai you are welcome to an opinion, but we aren't required to listen [7/23/2020 11:29 PM] slinkygn It just so happens that, much like a professional musician could come by the space and tell me the stuff I do in digital media sucks, and they have every right, I can take a look and tell you that your parliamentary "opinion" is a bunch of contrived bullshit. [7/23/2020 11:29 PM] slinkygn And you're right. You *aren't* required to listen. [7/23/2020 11:29 PM] slinkygn And yet you're still here! Odd. [7/23/2020 11:30 PM] slinkygn And, for that matter, the *majority of the voting members of the space* have even listened to me at times! ALSO odd! [7/23/2020 11:30 PM] slinkygn That was a fun meeting. [7/23/2020 11:30 PM] yashsedai wooo, another cookie for you [7/23/2020 11:30 PM] slinkygn Of course, thank goodness, pretty much *no one* listens to you regarding parliamentary procedure. [7/23/2020 11:30 PM] slinkygn So we've got that going for us. [7/23/2020 11:30 PM] yashsedai that would require that i give advice on it, which i don't [7/23/2020 11:31 PM] slinkygn No, just opine on whether other advice is good or not. [7/23/2020 11:31 PM] slinkygn Oh, wait, that *is* advice. [7/23/2020 11:31 PM] slinkygn Funny how that works. [7/23/2020 11:31 PM] slinkygn "It is my opinion that you *don't* have to stop at stop signs!" [7/23/2020 11:31 PM] slinkygn Have fun with that. [7/23/2020 11:31 PM] slinkygn Here's the magic of it, though: [7/23/2020 11:31 PM] slinkygn I don't *want* a cookie. [7/23/2020 11:32 PM] slinkygn I don't even want to be *involved* in this stuff. That's why I stay out of it 99% of the time. [7/23/2020 11:32 PM] slinkygn Only when something messes with my ability to use the space as a member do I bother. [7/23/2020 11:33 PM] yashsedai nobody is messing with your ability to use the space [7/23/2020 11:33 PM] slinkygn Beyond that? I'll give my opinion, if asked. Others can give theirs. And, yes, you're right. I *will* think mine is superior. Just like I would sincerely hope that someone with a mechanical engineering degree would think their ability to read a schematic would be superior to mine. [7/23/2020 11:33 PM] slinkygn Yes, actually, that particular bit of BS *did* affect my use of the space. [7/23/2020 11:34 PM] yashsedai lol i'd love to hear how [7/23/2020 11:34 PM] slinkygn It was brought up with regards to a 3Dfab meeting where a vote occurred to do something that someone else claimed "didn't happen" because the minutes weren't submitted in a timely fashion. [7/23/2020 11:35 PM] slinkygn The something being leaving a print running, which I only found out was an "invalid" committee decision by reading Talk a good deal later, due to it "never having happened." [7/23/2020 11:35 PM] slinkygn Man, Freddy, you like the most *boring* stories. [7/23/2020 11:35 PM] yashsedai Yup, i'm that guy [7/23/2020 11:35 PM] slinkygn Or maybe you just believe they don't exist. Which is funny, because your track record on that so far, at least with me, seems to be *terrible*. [7/23/2020 11:36 PM] slinkygn At some point, you'd think it would dawn on you that assuming that somebody is just making things up wholesale rather than having a *reason* for saying what they say just is not working out for you. [7/23/2020 11:37 PM] slinkygn But then, of course, you'd have to admit fault. Not that you've never done that -- but never done that without being brought to it kicking and screaming... [7/23/2020 11:39 PM] slinkygn This is why I disengage. Too much "I'm right, everyone else must be wrong." Not enough benefit of the doubt. It's exhausting enough to engage only when it directly affects me and what I enjoy doing at the space. (3D fab, computer committee) [7/23/2020 11:40 PM] yashsedai or George, considering the amount of fuckery in 3D fab this year and the haphazard running of the committee... On could believe that Max just made up the rule for the benefit of his buddies [7/23/2020 11:40 PM] slinkygn Sure, one *could*. [7/23/2020 11:40 PM] yashsedai Either way, it was never documented... [7/23/2020 11:40 PM] slinkygn Until somebody on the Talk thread -- a recognized newbie, no less -- stated that he was there, and it *did* happen. [7/23/2020 11:41 PM] yashsedai uhuh [7/23/2020 11:41 PM] slinkygn ...uh, yes. They did. [7/23/2020 11:41 PM] slinkygn And for that matter, others were there too and said as much. [7/23/2020 11:42 PM] slinkygn I'm not going to defend Max's mismanagement even a little. But that meeting occurred. [7/23/2020 11:42 PM] yashsedai whelp, there is that meeting coming up [7/23/2020 11:42 PM] yashsedai he can attempte to address it then [7/23/2020 11:42 PM] slinkygn Doesn't help my prior print. [7/23/2020 11:42 PM] yashsedai i'm sorry you didnt wanna wait? [7/23/2020 11:42 PM] slinkygn He doesn't need to address it. It's been voted on and settled. If the board would like to invalidate it, they can do *that* at their meeting. Meanwhile, the opinion of the peanut gallery is unrelated. [7/23/2020 11:43 PM] yashsedai it's already invalidated [7/23/2020 11:43 PM] yashsedai Erik did so [7/23/2020 11:43 PM] yashsedai you know being the secretary and all [7/23/2020 11:43 PM] slinkygn Erik held a vote with the board? [7/23/2020 11:43 PM] yashsedai Doesn't need to [7/23/2020 11:43 PM] slinkygn Yeah, secretary doesn't have the authority to declare any minutes invalid. [7/23/2020 11:44 PM] slinkygn Any action to override a committee would have to be of the board. That's the bylaws, buddy. [7/23/2020 11:44 PM] yashsedai lol [7/23/2020 11:44 PM] slinkygn But you do you. [7/23/2020 11:45 PM] slinkygn I *like* Erik. And he worked his ass off. I'm not going to be an ass to him just because he got one thing wrong. And I'm sure at this point, he doesn't even care. [7/23/2020 11:45 PM] yashsedai https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Secretary {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Secretary Secretary [7/23/2020 11:45 PM] yashsedai might ought to read that [7/23/2020 11:46 PM] yashsedai sorry bub, you don't get to decide 🙂 [7/23/2020 11:46 PM] slinkygn Already read it, multiple times since it got passed. [7/23/2020 11:46 PM] yashsedai cry all you want but it's already done [7/23/2020 11:46 PM] slinkygn Nothing about the secretary invalidating any organizational documents, including minutes. [7/23/2020 11:47 PM] slinkygn Cry all you want, but your interpretations of governance texts are still incorrect. [7/23/2020 11:47 PM] yashsedai {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/736082181155323924/spongebob.jpg?ex=67b956f3&is=67b80573&hm=3ba2f46c9992399e0065d127c9a7ce53c4eb384a3b9cb0bf5095ea3d4d515b8d& [7/23/2020 11:47 PM] yashsedai this is what i hear from you [7/23/2020 11:48 PM] slinkygn Makes sense. That's the face I usually imagine you're making. [7/23/2020 11:49 PM] slinkygn Lookit you, with some good ol' childish meme insulting. Warms the heart. I can do that too! So much fun. [7/23/2020 11:50 PM] yashsedai sometimes pictures are more effective than words [7/23/2020 11:51 PM] slinkygn Very true. That was a good one. Far be it from me to ever suggest your childish-insult game isn't on point. [7/23/2020 11:51 PM] slinkygn Longstanding DMS tradition. [7/23/2020 11:52 PM] slinkygn #longlivedickbutt [7/23/2020 11:52 PM] slinkygn #goodriddancedickbutt [7/23/2020 11:54 PM] slinkygn (not sure, but that particular teapot tempest may have predated you? Can't quite remember how long ago that was.) [7/23/2020 11:55 PM] slinkygn Hope so, for your sake. Whole big ol' ball of stupid there. [7/24/2020 5:50 PM] james_david_vance I've done 16 classes, one session to come up with the challenge for the Hackathon when that was going to be a thing, and the garage sale (Dwight helped with the garage sale) since September 2019. None of that required a committee, except the garage sale, but that was really just solving a problem that wouldn't have existed without the committee. I repeat, here's the solution: work with PR to make a plan to make the exhibit engaging and move it to the new lobby. @slinkygn (George) If there's a way to involve an iOS app, I can help make the exhibit more interactive. Maybe we can do an AR thing? I could just deploy it to the app store. It would be so cool if they could make something happen on one of those machines by interacting with an app! [7/26/2020 6:33 AM] slinkygn We could certainly work on making it more interactive. But the core issue here is the Computer committee continuing, not the museum. As I've mentioned, it's not the only thing the committee does. With regard to that topic, I also mentioned that there are very many things that committees do that don't "require" committee status and space. I think it is a bad precedent to talk about them from a context of whether it is "required." By that argument nearly any committee could be turned into a lecture series, which defeats the purpose of the space. The criterion shouldn't be, "is it required?" It should be, "is it enriching?" Does it help that committee educate others on its topic? (This is related to the problem of handing things to an "education" committee - *all* our themed committees are supposed to be educational, as that is our purpose per our charter.) And I think it is difficult to argue that a good many things within computing require hands-on learning to learn best. We should have a networking lab with practice test deployments for various certs by now, just going off the amount of hardware that has gone through the space (and left, for lack of a committee to claim them). [7/26/2020 7:47 AM] Deleted User Well sounds like nobody really wants that then. Space isn't unlimited, it should go to committees with tools people actually will use. [7/26/2020 7:53 AM] Deleted User "enriching" isn't enough, the criteria should be "is there enough interest for it to be used, taught and maintained regularly" [7/26/2020 9:06 AM] slinkygn Other than the people advocating for it? Yeah, I suppose. [7/26/2020 9:07 AM] slinkygn And yes, "enriching" is a necessary, not sufficient, requirement. Thing is, there has been better attendance at some of these meetings than at a good number of monthly committee meetings I've seen for most committees (the big ones being the exceptions, obviously). [7/26/2020 9:08 AM] slinkygn Again: more teaching classes for Computer with the "Vector" label on the calendar than for Vector itself. [7/26/2020 9:09 AM] slinkygn (which is where people straw man to 'Vector does outside stuff' -- yes, but that isn't what "enough interest to be taught and maintained regularly" comes from. Different line item.) [7/26/2020 9:09 AM] Deleted User Advocating isn't doing though [7/26/2020 9:11 AM] Deleted User It's easy to say oh it would be cool to have a cert lab [7/26/2020 9:11 AM] Deleted User Harder to do it [7/26/2020 9:11 AM] slinkygn of course. [7/26/2020 9:11 AM] slinkygn Be nice to have the chance. [7/26/2020 9:11 AM] Deleted User And much harder to keep it maintained for years and actually get people interested in certifying [7/26/2020 9:12 AM] Deleted User Yeah but if you really want to be the guy to do it, you could just be a sig under education [7/26/2020 9:12 AM] Deleted User What specific project opportunity do you feel will be denied to you without a committee? [7/26/2020 9:14 AM] slinkygn As I mentioned before, anything could be argued as a "sig under education," and anything that couldn't likely doesn't belong in the space -- since education is the makerspace's mission per the charter. [7/26/2020 9:14 AM] slinkygn We could move everything to lecture-based courses and not have anything hands-on at all. But nobody argues that -- because that would be *ridiculous*. [7/26/2020 9:15 AM] slinkygn Frankly, it's education that doesn't need to be a committee. [7/26/2020 9:15 AM] slinkygn Except, of course, that we need some folks educated in education itself -- which ed *used* to do, but now it's become some secondary infra/logistics catchall. [7/26/2020 9:16 AM] Deleted User No because education is responsible for educational SPACE [7/26/2020 9:16 AM] slinkygn No, it's not. [7/26/2020 9:16 AM] slinkygn It never has been. [7/26/2020 9:16 AM] Deleted User It makes no sense for every subject to have their own computer lab [7/26/2020 9:16 AM] slinkygn It makes no sense for every subject to have its own conference room. [7/26/2020 9:16 AM] slinkygn Or storage area. [7/26/2020 9:17 AM] slinkygn That's Logistics. Shared space. Always has been. [7/26/2020 9:17 AM] Deleted User Exactly [7/26/2020 9:17 AM] slinkygn So, would you put Computer committee as a subcommittee of Logistics? [7/26/2020 9:17 AM] Deleted User Every committee could have their own museum [7/26/2020 9:17 AM] Deleted User But that's silly [7/26/2020 9:17 AM] Deleted User So there's PR [7/26/2020 9:18 AM] slinkygn No, that's not. [7/26/2020 9:18 AM] slinkygn That's like saying, why have both a fine arts *and* a history museum? [7/26/2020 9:18 AM] slinkygn Just put them in the same place! [7/26/2020 9:18 AM] slinkygn Themes are native to museums -- and necessary, for curation purposes. [7/26/2020 9:19 AM] slinkygn Those who specialize in a subject curate it. [7/26/2020 9:19 AM] slinkygn Without that it's some random collection, not a museum. [7/26/2020 9:20 AM] slinkygn Also, I'd like to know the last time that PR set up a museum for the space. I must've missed it. [7/26/2020 9:20 AM] Deleted User Random collection sounds like a pretty good description... [7/26/2020 9:21 AM] Deleted User I'm just saying that's the natural group to do it through [7/26/2020 9:21 AM] Deleted User Maybe they/everyone doesn't care enough for it to happen [7/26/2020 9:22 AM] slinkygn Man, super easy to take away something's space where it had been organized and then say, "look, it's just a disorganized mess" [7/26/2020 9:22 AM] slinkygn Museums aren't PR. Museums *need* PR. [7/26/2020 9:22 AM] Deleted User It was on life support long before that [7/26/2020 9:22 AM] slinkygn Just like the space does. [7/26/2020 9:22 AM] Deleted User Ok, the only purpose for a dms museum is to serve as pr [7/26/2020 9:23 AM] Deleted User Better? [7/26/2020 9:23 AM] slinkygn No, not really. Is that what the art on the walls is, too? [7/26/2020 9:23 AM] slinkygn *was [7/26/2020 9:23 AM] Deleted User Wall art doesn't require floorspace [7/26/2020 9:23 AM] slinkygn pre-expansion [7/26/2020 9:23 AM] Deleted User But yeah, that's the main value [7/26/2020 9:23 AM] slinkygn That's not the question. [7/26/2020 9:24 AM] Deleted User To make the space more appealing and advertise activity [7/26/2020 9:24 AM] Deleted User = PR [7/26/2020 9:24 AM] slinkygn That's interesting. Since nobody comes in to see the art on the walls. [7/26/2020 9:24 AM] slinkygn Gotta get them in the door, first. [7/26/2020 9:24 AM] slinkygn Whereas, once they're in the door -- yeah, the museum was used, when it was in a place with high foot traffic. [7/26/2020 9:25 AM] slinkygn Again, I know because I used it -- that brought me into VCC/Computer [7/26/2020 9:25 AM] slinkygn And I wasn't the only one. [7/26/2020 9:25 AM] Deleted User Tours are a thing... [7/26/2020 9:25 AM] slinkygn Though of the couple of dozen of people max that are regularly on Discourse and contributing, I'm apparently one of the few. [7/26/2020 9:25 AM] Deleted User Ugly pile of old crap = bad pr [7/26/2020 9:26 AM] slinkygn Well, clearly what it was was good PR, since people interacted with it. Of course, it wasn't ugly. [7/26/2020 9:26 AM] slinkygn Yes, old. Not usually a problem for a lot of museums. [7/26/2020 9:26 AM] slinkygn It was tidy and well-displayed, and *interesting*. [7/26/2020 9:26 AM] slinkygn Maybe not to you. [7/26/2020 9:27 AM] Deleted User Yeah but attracting a few computer nerds doesn't make up for driving off "normal" people [7/26/2020 9:27 AM] slinkygn But that's the fundamental problem -- "to you" isn't how the space works. [7/26/2020 9:27 AM] slinkygn It didn't drive anyone away. That's patently ridiculous. [7/26/2020 9:27 AM] Deleted User Mess definitely fits a certain demographic and repels others [7/26/2020 9:27 AM] Deleted User Maybe not YOU [7/26/2020 9:28 AM] Deleted User But that's not how the space works [7/26/2020 9:28 AM] slinkygn The sawdust in woodshop or oil slicks in automotive probably drove more people away than that. [7/26/2020 9:28 AM] slinkygn Again: nobody is arguing for a mess. Give it up. [7/26/2020 9:28 AM] slinkygn It wasn't a mess. It is now, because it has no home. [7/26/2020 9:28 AM] slinkygn By "a mess," you basically mean "like it would be if stacked up in a storage unikt." [7/26/2020 9:30 AM] Deleted User So nobody cares enough to fix it? [7/26/2020 9:30 AM] slinkygn If this is some zealotous true-believer crap still fighting some freebie shelf proxy war that's now gone so far that it's fighting against the people that supported getting rid of it... oh, who am I kidding. I couldn't even be upset. That's the space for ya. Nobody can stay sane for a hot second with a logical point before going all "city on a hill" with it. [7/26/2020 9:30 AM] Deleted User You're the one arguing for the status quo [7/26/2020 9:31 AM] slinkygn No, I'm not. [7/26/2020 9:31 AM] slinkygn I'm arguing for Computer committee. [7/26/2020 9:31 AM] slinkygn Please point to me on the expansion plan where its space is currently located. [7/26/2020 9:31 AM] slinkygn I'll happily move that stuff over there and organize it all pretty for ya. [7/26/2020 9:32 AM] slinkygn The "status quo" has been that Computer committee doesn't have a space allocation; the closest thing it had was the museum's original space, but now it doesn't even have that. [7/26/2020 9:34 AM] slinkygn it's not that nobody cares enough to fix it, just like it wasn't back when we had the network rack years ago. It's that nobody can fix it if they wanted to. There's no space for it. And it doesn't fit under any other committee -- a lesson we all should've learned from back when this stuff was in Science. [7/26/2020 9:34 AM] slinkygn Easy way to get rid a committee around here -- generalize it to death. [7/26/2020 9:36 AM] Deleted User The only committee to die from something other than apathy is Hatcher's, and that's just an unfortunate situation all around. [7/26/2020 9:37 AM] slinkygn Yes, generalizing a committee to death does that. That's the point. Give people no place to do a thing and they won't do it. [7/26/2020 9:38 AM] Deleted User Again, you could go to PR with a good plan for an interactive computer exhibit, and probably get some space. [7/26/2020 9:38 AM] Deleted User But credibility is shot [7/26/2020 9:38 AM] slinkygn That's not the purpose of Computer committee. [7/26/2020 9:38 AM] Deleted User Well then why was it the primary justification given for years? [7/26/2020 9:38 AM] slinkygn That's just the only thing that people wanting to get rid of it want to talk about. [7/26/2020 9:38 AM] slinkygn It hasn't been around for "years." [7/26/2020 9:38 AM] slinkygn That's another thing everybody wanting to get rid of it wants to talk about. [7/26/2020 9:38 AM] slinkygn It's not VCC, and it's not SDC. [7/26/2020 9:38 AM] Deleted User Ok VCC if you're being pedantic [7/26/2020 9:38 AM] slinkygn Those are dead. [7/26/2020 9:39 AM] slinkygn They already got killed. Years ago. Can we move on now? [7/26/2020 9:39 AM] Deleted User Yeah and computer committee was one term of Raffi until he went full clown [7/26/2020 9:39 AM] slinkygn So we get somebody else to lead it. [7/26/2020 9:39 AM] slinkygn We don't shut down committees because their leaders suck. [7/26/2020 9:40 AM] slinkygn Otherwise, 3D printing wouldn't still be here. [7/26/2020 9:40 AM] Deleted User So who's that gonna be? [7/26/2020 9:40 AM] slinkygn Turns out, there are *other* people that can lead than just the one crappy one! [7/26/2020 9:40 AM] slinkygn Dunno who the board would accept. [7/26/2020 9:40 AM] slinkygn I'd volunteer. I would vote for @denzuko, though. [7/26/2020 9:41 AM] Deleted User It was on the chopping block under him for years though... [7/26/2020 9:42 AM] slinkygn I'm actually having some fun here trying to think of *any* committee that would still exist if we got rid of committees with bad leadership... [7/26/2020 9:42 AM] Deleted User His fluffery was almost Havensesque [7/26/2020 9:42 AM] slinkygn It was on the chopping block because people didn't like it. It had events, and they were well attended for what they were. [7/26/2020 9:42 AM] slinkygn oh, wow. [7/26/2020 9:43 AM] slinkygn You've met the guy, right? [7/26/2020 9:43 AM] Deleted User Don't get me wrong, he has legit skills [7/26/2020 9:43 AM] slinkygn He strikes you as Havensesque? [7/26/2020 9:43 AM] Deleted User But the way he talked it up was ridiculous [7/26/2020 9:43 AM] slinkygn I'm torn between noting how little that sounds like him, and why on earth anyone would care. [7/26/2020 9:44 AM] slinkygn Events. Attended. [7/26/2020 9:45 AM] slinkygn Let's say he's the type to go busking for members by aggrandizing things. Okay, I can't picture it, but let's go with it. How does that have anything to do with whether a committee is active? When you can *see* that a committee is holding events and people are showing up to them? [7/26/2020 9:48 AM] Deleted User Whatever, I'll stop now [7/26/2020 9:48 AM] slinkygn (This is typically the point in the argument where people would criticize Dwight for having some of the bigger events outside the space so they're "not ours," but then I point out that even then CC had more events on the calendar than Vector last year and then I'm told, "yeah, but they do stuff with outside events!" And then I'm accused of making circular arguments.) [7/26/2020 9:48 AM] Deleted User You've certainly got the passion to give it a shot. [7/26/2020 9:48 AM] slinkygn Well, it's not really sounding like it matters, from the discussions I've had here. But thank you. [7/26/2020 11:08 AM] andrew5152 Gotta say, George, as much as I think "computer committee"-esque entity *is* "makerspace", given its "hackerspace" roots, ours has not, in my time here, *appeared* to be alive and thriving. Your argument that there were attended events *appears* hollow, as sproinks points out, filled with fluffery. The *feeling* is that Dwight was pumping up his own interest, and claiming thriving events when there were, in fact, no "attendees". The fact that we don't seem to drum up the interest in "computer committee" that, say, VECTOR has, is unfortunate, but never the less, the sentiment/appearance/feeling. (whereas VECTOR, despite demonstrably lack 'meetings' and/or 'events', etc. *appears* to be a thriving, busy, functional committee). I would change that, and would have changed that before Raffi blew into the room if I'd known how/had the time/dedication/etc. I don't, so begrudgingly, I watch as the perception continues, and "computer committee" gets sniped at. What is your refute for Brad's post on Talk in response to my museum post? It appears he is saying that there IS space proffered for display, but it is in disarray, despite the space having been given over to "computer committee"? Based on this thread, you did not know that space had been "given over", either... [7/26/2020 11:51 AM] james_david_vance None of the classes I did were enriched by having a space. Some of them would have been enriched by being able to set up a computer lab ahead of time, which I think will be possible with the new computer lab. I went to one of the lockpicking events Dwight did. It was very well-attended, there were probably 15 people there. So let's give credit where credit is due. But I don't see how having a committee with permanent and exclusive space (as opposed to temporary shared space through reserving a classroom) would enrich classes. I worked with Dale Wheat to procure some STM 32s that he can use for classes and the plan was to have office hours (I believe he was working on a curriculum update, then COVID happened, so we weren't able to implement this) in the computer committee area, but that could just as easily happen without having a committee area. Ooh, this give me an idea. What if people were able to put something like this on the calendar: "I have experience in developing iOS apps. I'll be in the common area, available to assist people from 3-5pm on Sunday" in the form of a calendar entry? [7/26/2020 12:03 PM] james_david_vance Actually after thinking about it a bit, I think we support this kind of thing well enough right now. You can just create an event. It would be nice to be able to double-book the common area if two people want to have "office hours" there at the same time but I don't think it's a huge issue. [7/26/2020 12:10 PM] andrew5152 I think you can simply choose "no room" (or equivalent) since you're not really reserving the common room anyway; just inviting folks to join you there. Credit where due, the lockpick and attached events were, to all appearances for an outside observer, very well attended, and obviously, outstandingly so. Which made the other events all the more conspicuous for the apparent lack of attendance. (I'm not saying other events/classes were NOT attended, merely that it appears that way to casual observers). Further credit where due, as far as I know, the classes you put on Raffi were generally well-enough attended, but, as you say, really just need a classroom... {Reactions} 👍 [7/26/2020 12:14 PM] andrew5152 And Dwight's office hours were a great idea, nicely attended to be the best of my knowledge, though the attendance was sequential rather than parallel, but very beneficial to DMS and its members. His and Laser's and now, the Board's, "office hours" appear to be a great idea, and it would be dandy to coordinate "daily" such for membership onboarding/assistance in addition to any specific committee's needs. Again, not willing to wrangle that party, so I'm just blowing opinion out into the ether. [7/26/2020 2:05 PM] slinkygn @A. Spencer(jast) I may have missed your museum post, I guess? My refutation to the idea that there is space offered for display of the museum is that the space allocated in October was the computer lab, and I was specifically told -- in fact, it should be in this channel history, I think; it was on Discord -- that the computer lab is no longer CC space but Ed's space. [7/26/2020 2:07 PM] andrew5152 my post https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/20200806-bod-agenda-item-dissolve-computer-committee-and-hatchers-committee/73258/94?u=jast brad's response https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/20200806-bod-agenda-item-dissolve-computer-committee-and-hatchers-committee/73258/97?u=jast [7/26/2020 2:08 PM] slinkygn > The fact that we don't seem to drum up the interest in "computer committee" that, say, VECTOR has, is unfortunate, but never the less, the sentiment/appearance/feeling. (whereas VECTOR, despite demonstrably lack 'meetings' and/or 'events', etc. *appears* to be a thriving, busy, functional committee). @A. Spencer(jast) If VECTOR "appears" to be thriving, busy and functional despite it having no events in the space, what of it makes it appear so? Is it that they show up to Texas Pinball once a year? (like, say, a 2600 event) Or is it that they have space allocated, the space is visible to passersby, and there are people occupying that space and doing things? [7/26/2020 2:08 PM] slinkygn Obviously I'd argue for the latter 🙂 [7/26/2020 2:11 PM] andrew5152 I wish I could put my finger on it. Then I could help the computer committee replicate it. I know Dwight worked hard, and I believe it when folks assert that events are attended, but that's not the impression. VECTOR leaves the impression folks are busily hammering away. It might be the TPF... I've seen photos of that, with stuff I've seen in the warehouse in action; not so a 2600 event... [7/26/2020 2:14 PM] slinkygn This is the latest I've seen on having a dedicated space for CC. [7/26/2020 2:14 PM] slinkygn https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Computer_Committee_Meeting_20200226 {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Computer_Committee_Meeting_20200226 Computer Committee Meeting 20200226 [7/26/2020 2:14 PM] slinkygn Less than a month before closing, obviously. [7/26/2020 2:14 PM] slinkygn I really think a lot of it is related to having physical people being seen hammering away at physical things. [7/26/2020 2:15 PM] slinkygn ...I suppose it's not *impossible* to get photos at a 2600 meetup, but I think most don't particularly encourage that sort of thing. 🙂 [7/26/2020 2:32 PM] slinkygn That, by the way, was in reference to this: [7/26/2020 2:32 PM] slinkygn https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors_Meeting_20200216#Relocate_the_Computing_Committee_area {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors_Meeting_20200216 Board of Directors Meeting 20200216 [7/26/2020 2:45 PM] slinkygn Better link for the Computer Committee meeting minutes, that takes you to the relevant part: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Computer_Committee_Meeting_20200226#Non-Consent_Agenda {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Computer_Committee_Meeting_20200226 Computer Committee Meeting 20200226 [7/26/2020 2:50 PM] Deleted User So some more random thoughts on this: There are always going to be more people who want to just work on their project than get involved with community activities, teach or even attend classes. So it's going to be way easier to have an active committee for something like laser, 3d fab, woodshop that have big expensive useful tools, compared to something where most of the activity can be done virtually. [7/26/2020 2:51 PM] slinkygn oh, that's funny. He posted photos of the alcove as CC's "space..." and only posted half the alcove. Well, at least I see what he's saying, I guess. That was the old space, that everyone agreed at the beginning of the year was inadequate and needed to change. Of course, right now it also has Digital Media's stuff, on the other side of the room, so it's not like there is much more space than what's visible to put everything the committee has. :/ (edit: this was in reference to jast's earlier comment) [7/26/2020 2:51 PM] slinkygn I'd argue that a Cisco network rack would be a "big, expensive, useful tool" 🙂 [7/26/2020 2:52 PM] slinkygn As well as noting that Electronics -- the *first* DMS committee -- is a good argument for *small*, expensive, useful tools to hold equal importance to the membership [7/26/2020 2:53 PM] Deleted User Ok, size of the tools isn't the main point. Just that if you can do it just as easily on your laptop or a cloud server, it's a much harder sell. [7/26/2020 2:54 PM] Deleted User 3d fab is actually probably close to obsolescence [7/26/2020 2:54 PM] Deleted User with the price of printers these days [7/26/2020 2:54 PM] slinkygn Right -- and you really can't, when it comes to networking. Again, why the top-tier certs all require a practicum exam. [7/26/2020 2:54 PM] slinkygn In-person, live exam with you working on actual network components. [7/26/2020 2:54 PM] Deleted User ok, but now you've got a small niche [7/26/2020 2:54 PM] slinkygn Networking reeeeeally isn't a small niche. [7/26/2020 2:54 PM] Deleted User just saying it will be hard to generate and keep interest in that [7/26/2020 2:54 PM] slinkygn Plus, that's one example. [7/26/2020 2:54 PM] Deleted User hasn't happened so far [7/26/2020 2:54 PM] slinkygn Hasn't been able to so far. [7/26/2020 2:55 PM] Deleted User and without a lively group, it's just a private clubhouse [7/26/2020 2:55 PM] Deleted User which you could argue VCC was for a long time [7/26/2020 2:55 PM] slinkygn That same talk post jast posted earlier has the back and forth between Dwight and Jim about how we once again got denied hardware we could've used for a network lab. Frustrating. [7/26/2020 2:57 PM] slinkygn Point is, it's never going to be more than that without an actual workspace to do things designated to it. And the amount of time *that* has been the case can at best be measured on one hand's worth of months. [7/26/2020 2:58 PM] slinkygn And at worst, argued that it hasn't really happened yet. Depending on how practical you see the alcove. (A question for which there was a pretty universally held answer back at the beginning of the year, prior to the closing.) [7/26/2020 3:09 PM] yashsedai Dude, the statement that "its never going to be more than that without an actual workspace" is bullshit. [7/26/2020 3:09 PM] yashsedai There has been plenty of space [7/26/2020 3:09 PM] yashsedai There is no interest [7/26/2020 3:09 PM] yashsedai i know you keep telling us there is but there isn't. [7/26/2020 3:10 PM] yashsedai It prove's out by the lack of people that attended meeting's previously, the state of the committee space, etc. [7/26/2020 3:18 PM] slinkygn You should read those committee and board minutes. (re: the "plenty of space" bit) [7/26/2020 3:20 PM] slinkygn (And thank you @A. Spencer(jast) for saying on Talk that you enjoyed the museum back when it was in the common area. I know tons of folks used it and got a real kick out of it. Popular tour stop too, back when I was doing them --couldn't walk past it without someone mentioning it.) {Reactions} 👍 [7/26/2020 6:57 PM] judykriehn3727 > oh, that's funny. He posted photos of the alcove as CC's "space..." and only posted half the alcove. Well, at least I see what he's saying, I guess. That was the old space, that everyone agreed at the beginning of the year was inadequate and needed to change. Of course, right now it also has Digital Media's stuff, on the other side of the room, so it's not like there is much more space than what's visible to put everything the committee has. :/ (edit: this was in reference to jast's earlier comment) @slinkygn (George) [7/26/2020 7:02 PM] judykriehn3727 The "other side of the room" is where there has always been plans to put up a soundproof wall to create an actual studio for Digital Media. As far as I know, that plan has not been deep-sixed. So don't go assuming that was ever assigned to the Computer committee(s). There was talk a looonnnnggg time ago of making the former 3D fab space a computer lab, but that was dropped because of hvac issues in both that room and purple classroom due to the windows being incapable of (a) keeping heat out during summer or (b) keeping heat in during winter. @doug.emes and raffi put up an agenda item to make the former 3D space specifically the computer committee. The board did not support the proposal. Personally, I find it kind of telling that you are the only one passionately speaking on the issue. [7/26/2020 7:14 PM] slinkygn Only here. More voices on the Talk thread. I only assume that not many people can keep up with the pace of posting here. I know I barely can. Don't have that kind of time. I usually just leave the app up on my desktop and catch up when I can. (Plus, what goes for "passionate" around here is pretty over the top, to be frank. Fighting fire with fire here is exhausting.) [7/26/2020 7:16 PM] slinkygn As far as the 3D fab space becoming computer lab, "a long time ago" was January -- pretty obviously *after* the big "ultimatum." That's one of those links I posted above. [7/26/2020 7:17 PM] slinkygn or about 4 months ago, in "days DMS has been open" time. [7/26/2020 7:18 PM] slinkygn And it was tabled January due to expansion concerns and rediscussed in the February BOD. I actually didn't post the 1/2020 BOD minutes, but I can if that'd help. [7/26/2020 7:19 PM] slinkygn I get that pre-COVID seems like forever ago, and what happened then is hazy for some. [7/26/2020 7:24 PM] slinkygn I was hazy too, which is why I went for the minutes when I started hearing things that were different from what I remembered. I didn't have the timeline 100% right either; thought that conversation had been last year instead of this year, among other things. [7/26/2020 7:26 PM] slinkygn On the point, though, if the alcove space was intended to go half to DM all along, then the displayed space is the only space the committee has -- which *definitely* isn't what had been discussed, and is why CC was supposed to get additional storage at the very least. Which would suggest the question, if that's all the space they have how much more organized could the committee's stuff reasonably be intended to get, when everyone already acknowledges that the stuff that would fulfill the original plans for it aren't even in there yet? [7/26/2020 7:32 PM] james_david_vance The other half of the old lobby didn't belong to the computer committee while I was chair. [7/26/2020 7:35 PM] slinkygn I wasn't arguing that it was. I was arguing that that makes it even more obvious that, as your suggestion to the board stated and as the photo shows, the space allotted was clearly nowhere close to sufficient for the plans for the committee. [7/26/2020 7:43 PM] james_david_vance Oh okay. I thought you were. Yeah, at that time we were thinking we wanted to move into the orange room and have a computer lab as our committee space. But as Judy said, Doug, the board, Freddy and Pearce and I had a meeting and they decided to go with a computer lab in the pillar of solitude room. [7/26/2020 7:50 PM] james_david_vance I think the networking class thing is the best argument for a committee I've seen so far. But the network hardware would be tools for learning, not for making, so I do see why people are saying it should be under education. If you look at the tools in other committees, they are used for making in addition to learning. You can walk out of 3d fab with something you made with a 3d printer. You can walk out of the woodshop with something you made with wood using their tools. Same for metal, electronics, CA, machine shop and ceramics. There are a few exceptions, like automotive, where usually people add onto an existing thing. Do people leave their pinball machines in Vector, or do those belong to the committee? [7/26/2020 7:50 PM] slinkygn Yes, with storage space in there designated for CC. [7/26/2020 7:51 PM] slinkygn (in the pillar of solitude room.) [7/26/2020 7:52 PM] james_david_vance I think the solution here is to put the server rack into the computer lab and have it managed by education. If someone wants to teach a class, let them set it up for that. [7/26/2020 7:52 PM] slinkygn At least that was the conversation I recall back in January. [7/26/2020 7:52 PM] james_david_vance That was my impression leaving the meeting with Doug and the board [7/26/2020 7:53 PM] slinkygn Let Education set it up for that? [7/26/2020 7:53 PM] james_david_vance Let the person teaching the class set it up [7/26/2020 7:53 PM] slinkygn Which would mean having it cleared by Ed first. [7/26/2020 7:53 PM] slinkygn So how would someone new know that that equipment was available for that kind of use? [7/26/2020 7:54 PM] slinkygn Like the equipment that sat around in Science for a year unused and then was gotten rid of? [7/26/2020 7:54 PM] james_david_vance Education could make it known [7/26/2020 7:55 PM] slinkygn Good intentions have proven not to work in those circumstances before. Especially when there's no particular incentive to do so, nor a mechanism for it. They can't put out weekly flyers saying, "remember now, the servers over there are not building infrastructure and are available for class use!" [7/26/2020 7:56 PM] james_david_vance You could put a sign up on the server [7/26/2020 7:56 PM] slinkygn Science being one example, and the other being the network rack that even Dwight didn't know was supposed to be for CC's use and so didn't offer any classes with it. (As per the talk discussion.) [7/26/2020 7:57 PM] james_david_vance That's weird since me him and another guy moved it from his garage to the computer committee space [7/26/2020 7:57 PM] slinkygn The reason people learn to use things in the space is because they can walk up and *use* them, barring any potential for harm to themselves or others. That's always been the goal of items in the space. [7/26/2020 7:58 PM] slinkygn To wait for approval and then execution to "set up" a network rack so that the class can then "un-set it up" and set it up again is the sort of thing that'll disinterest people from actually jumping through the hoops. [7/26/2020 7:58 PM] slinkygn > That's weird since me him and another guy moved it from his garage to the computer committee space @DJ Vance You saw the talk thread, you know what he was talking about. [7/26/2020 7:59 PM] james_david_vance I haven't seen the Talk thread, I'm banned from member-only threads on Talk [7/26/2020 7:59 PM] slinkygn oh, right. [7/26/2020 7:59 PM] james_david_vance I can't log in so I can only see the public ones [7/26/2020 8:01 PM] slinkygn Long story short, Jim didn't know anybody had offered to teach with it, and Dwight didn't know anyone was looking for people to teach with it despite his having offered. [7/26/2020 8:02 PM] slinkygn The sort of breakdown of communication that is predictable when responsibility for and access to/ resources lie in two different places. [7/26/2020 8:03 PM] slinkygn oh, that is *cool* [7/26/2020 8:03 PM] slinkygn sorry, temporary distraction [7/26/2020 8:03 PM] slinkygn that said "authority for," before [7/26/2020 8:04 PM] james_david_vance You lost me with "so that the class can then "un-set it up" and set it up again" [7/26/2020 8:04 PM] james_david_vance How would that be different when managed by education? [7/26/2020 8:04 PM] slinkygn I typed (without extra spaces), " s / authority for / access to /", thinking it would just print that text [7/26/2020 8:04 PM] james_david_vance The approval thing is just an email {Reactions} 😯 [7/26/2020 8:04 PM] slinkygn but it actually did the regexp substitution [7/26/2020 8:04 PM] slinkygn (which ironically reminded me that the terminal "/" shouldn't have been there) [7/26/2020 8:04 PM] james_david_vance okay that is cool [7/26/2020 8:05 PM] slinkygn I KNOW SERIOUSLY RIGHT [7/26/2020 8:05 PM] james_david_vance lol [7/26/2020 8:05 PM] slinkygn 😁 [7/26/2020 8:05 PM] slinkygn Did it again! 🙂 [7/26/2020 8:05 PM] slinkygn okay, sorry. 🙂 I'll quit being 12 now. [7/26/2020 8:05 PM] james_david_vance never quit being 12 [7/26/2020 8:06 PM] slinkygn Well. For the purposes of civil conversation. 🙂 [7/26/2020 8:06 PM] slinkygn To answer your question: it would be different because of the extra steps to do something that would need to be redone anyway. [7/26/2020 8:07 PM] slinkygn And as much as I wish it were the case, requesting things is very rarely the matter of "just an email" at DMS. [7/26/2020 8:07 PM] james_david_vance Are you thinking that education would require you to undo stuff after your class? [7/26/2020 8:07 PM] slinkygn That's the standing end of string of a very very large knot of yarn regarding DMS and new (and existing!) member onboarding. [7/26/2020 8:07 PM] james_david_vance https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/6plr75/til_you_can_use_regex_replacement_to_edit_your/ {Embed} https://www.reddit.com/r/discordapp/comments/6plr75/til_you_can_use_regex_replacement_to_edit_your/ r/discordapp - TIL you can use regex replacement to edit your last ... 118 votes and 14 comments so far on Reddit {Reactions} 👍 [7/26/2020 8:08 PM] slinkygn Nah, not necessarily -- though they might, I suppose. Plenty of hurdles to worry about already without that, though. [7/26/2020 8:08 PM] slinkygn It's a bit of the old physics joke re a physics Ph.D. explaining how to bake a pie -- "well, first you create the universe..." [7/26/2020 8:11 PM] james_david_vance What would need to be redone? I don't think I'm understanding what you're implying [7/26/2020 8:14 PM] james_david_vance What I really don't get is how that would change with having its own committee. I get how different people managing it can make a difference, but calling I don't see how giving it its own committee would make a difference [7/26/2020 8:14 PM] slinkygn So beyond knowing that the equipment was available, you'd have to know about Talk enough to be on Talk, and know where on Talk to post that request (knowing that people get dinged in little ways for "misusing" it all the time). You'd have to write up your needs for the class more ahead of time than normal, and your needs might change between then and class time anyway. You'd have to hope that nothing is lost in the communication of what you'd need set up and how -- almost guaranteed to be a false hope, as all that is invariably skewed by how much and what flavor of prior knowledge is held by each person. Then Ed would have to do work for a non-Ed class to set that up, which would fall under whatever priority they decided because lord knows Ed has other committees to worry about too. Then the class proctor could finally get their hands on it -- at which point they'd probably have to set up a significant portion anyway, either because there was an added need based found when fleshing out the class plan or because something was miscommunicated originally. And that's assuming any of those changes wouldn't require, lord forbid, additional approval from the committee you have to get to clear it that still isn't tied to this class and doesn't have to be around for it. [7/26/2020 8:14 PM] slinkygn Giving it its own committee is tied to it having its own equipment, which it manages itself. [7/26/2020 8:16 PM] slinkygn Not having its own equipment and having to count on something external to use stuff that is core to what it's trying to do is where the hundred tiny hurdles come in, one of which invariably ends up being less than tiny. It's the death by 100 cuts of DMS involvement. [7/26/2020 8:16 PM] james_david_vance I think it makes sense for teachers to set it up since they know exactly how they want it to be [7/26/2020 8:17 PM] james_david_vance All you would need is an approval email. I guess you and I just disagree about how difficult it would be to get approval to set up the servers for a class [7/26/2020 8:17 PM] slinkygn Well, you were saying Ed would set them up, right? I was just going off of that. [7/26/2020 8:17 PM] james_david_vance No, I'm saying the teacher would set it up [7/26/2020 8:17 PM] slinkygn Class teachers don't come from Ed, as I'm sure you know. They come from the respective committees. [7/26/2020 8:17 PM] james_david_vance They come from the membership [7/26/2020 8:18 PM] slinkygn Right. [7/26/2020 8:18 PM] slinkygn And the classes are tied to their respective committees. [7/26/2020 8:19 PM] slinkygn I guess I misunderstood you earlier, then. [7/26/2020 8:19 PM] james_david_vance Ah okay [7/26/2020 8:19 PM] slinkygn I think I don't know what you meant previously when you said the equipment would be managed by Ed. [7/26/2020 8:20 PM] james_david_vance I just meant it would belong to Ed, they would be in control of it. They would be able to modify it if the wanted to, and other people modifying it would need their approval [7/26/2020 8:20 PM] slinkygn I'd assume the email isn't just a rubber stamp, but then what are they managing exactly? [7/26/2020 8:21 PM] slinkygn It seems much like if Ed was responsible for managing the power tools, just because they can be shared resources used in a class. [7/26/2020 8:21 PM] james_david_vance That was confusing on my end, my apologies [7/26/2020 8:21 PM] slinkygn No worries. [7/26/2020 8:22 PM] slinkygn Tinkering with the stuff that can't hurt you and learning to use it by trial and error has been part of DMS's goal pretty much for the whole time it's been around. [7/26/2020 8:22 PM] james_david_vance You can use a drill to make something out of wood, whereas if you want to do a networking project, you have to use your own stuff, but you can learn with our stuff [7/26/2020 8:23 PM] slinkygn I don't think "you can walk out with something" is a particularly good criterion for this stuff, either. [7/26/2020 8:23 PM] james_david_vance Absolutely I'm all for tinkering [7/26/2020 8:23 PM] slinkygn Certainly wouldn't work for VECTOR. [7/26/2020 8:24 PM] james_david_vance To be honest I'm confused about vector. Do those pinball machines belong to individuals or to the committee? [7/26/2020 8:24 PM] slinkygn But more importantly, it gets to what a makerspace *is*, and that's a longstanding thing in the space too -- insofar as "makerspace" is not the most typical term historically speaking. [7/26/2020 8:24 PM] slinkygn Depends on when you're looking; I couldn't speak to now. I know historically it's been both. [7/26/2020 8:25 PM] james_david_vance I think we're debating not what you should be able to do at the space, but how it's organized. We both want people to be able to teach classes on networking [7/26/2020 8:25 PM] slinkygn Some folks will bring their machine in and donate it, some will "temp loan" it for indefinite periods of time. [7/26/2020 8:25 PM] slinkygn There was a big hullabaloo for a while when somebody was teaching language lessons at the space. [7/26/2020 8:25 PM] slinkygn Because they weren't *making* anything. [7/26/2020 8:26 PM] slinkygn Thing is, "makerspaces" weren't born "makerspaces." They were born "hackerspaces." [7/26/2020 8:27 PM] slinkygn From the broad sense of hacking, in the same way you could life hack or whatnot -- exercising the bent for innovation and curiosity to do things and solve problems that you don't necessarily know how to solve from the get-go. [7/26/2020 8:27 PM] james_david_vance I know, I actually looked at the wikipedia page [7/26/2020 8:27 PM] slinkygn Making -- as opposed to, say, buying -- is definitely part of that. But only part. [7/26/2020 8:28 PM] slinkygn Well, I'm glad the Wikipedia page covers that! 🙂 Haven't looked at it in a good long while. [7/26/2020 8:28 PM] james_david_vance I think language classes fit into the mission [7/26/2020 8:28 PM] slinkygn Despite the fact that you walk out only with knowledge, and not with a tangible thing created? [7/26/2020 8:28 PM] james_david_vance Yes [7/26/2020 8:28 PM] james_david_vance Just like a networking class [7/26/2020 8:28 PM] james_david_vance I think networking classes would be great [7/26/2020 8:29 PM] slinkygn Just like a networking class. But also, just like a vacuum forming class. [7/26/2020 8:29 PM] slinkygn (for which we didn't actually get hands-on time with the vacuum former.) [7/26/2020 8:29 PM] james_david_vance But I'm okay with it the tool being under education since you're not making something with it [7/26/2020 8:30 PM] slinkygn I get that. I just don't think it's relevant to where the authority for use of the tool should reside. [7/26/2020 8:30 PM] slinkygn I think the reason tools reside where they reside is that the committees they are in reflect the place where expertise over that tool lies. [7/26/2020 8:31 PM] slinkygn You don't "make something" with the parts cleaner in Automotive. [7/26/2020 8:32 PM] slinkygn But auto guys are the ones that would use (and best know how to use) an automotive parts cleaner. [7/26/2020 8:32 PM] slinkygn How to maintain it, how to train on it, how to make sure it lasts as long as it can performing as well as it can. [7/26/2020 8:33 PM] james_david_vance Wouldn't you use that to do a project though? [7/26/2020 8:33 PM] slinkygn Cisco IOS isn't something I expect each following Ed chair to learn. [7/26/2020 8:33 PM] james_david_vance Me neither [7/26/2020 8:34 PM] slinkygn Sure you would. And maybe that project would involve making something. Maybe you'd simply walk out with what you came in, but it would be working when you walked out. Either would be OK by Automotive. [7/26/2020 8:34 PM] james_david_vance Right, so it's not only used for education [7/26/2020 8:34 PM] slinkygn But it can be used by people that know next to nothing about it, for their project, and they would learn how to use it by using it. [7/26/2020 8:34 PM] james_david_vance What if Networking Education were a SIG under education? [7/26/2020 8:34 PM] slinkygn So they walk out with that knowledge. [7/26/2020 8:35 PM] slinkygn Just like they could with a network rack that they could mess around with whenever they wanted, without somebody looking over their shoulder. [7/26/2020 8:35 PM] james_david_vance I don't see that being a big problem [7/26/2020 8:35 PM] slinkygn And yet it's proven to be in the past already. [7/26/2020 8:36 PM] james_david_vance I'm assuming you're talking about a particular chair. Are they still the chair? [7/26/2020 8:36 PM] slinkygn I'm not talking about a chair. I'm talking about the network rack in Science. [7/26/2020 8:37 PM] james_david_vance Well this sounds like a problem of particular people, not organizational structure [7/26/2020 8:37 PM] slinkygn And how, after *weeks* of asking around about it, I realized that out of the thousands of members in the space I was one of *maybe* three people that knew enough of the story of that rack to be comfortable getting authority to use it -- and I say maybe because one of them was no longer a member. [7/26/2020 8:38 PM] james_david_vance Maybe both [7/26/2020 8:38 PM] james_david_vance I don't know [7/26/2020 8:38 PM] slinkygn One of the big rules of organizational design is, if you repeatedly get people doing the wrong/suboptimal thing, you can be pretty certain it's not the people. [7/26/2020 8:39 PM] james_david_vance I just think that supporting a networking class could be done well if the equipment belongs to education [7/26/2020 8:39 PM] slinkygn I went to all that trouble to find that out about a rack that had been sitting there for a year -- and that last month I was able to find the right people to ask about it was the month it left. [7/26/2020 8:40 PM] slinkygn Education will never support something that falls under a fraction of their purview and juggles time with other responsibilities as well as a committee dedicated to that type of thing. Which is why no other such committee-specific items are owned by Education. [7/26/2020 8:42 PM] slinkygn Did Tabletop succeed in their bid to become a full committee from a SIG? [7/26/2020 8:43 PM] james_david_vance No [7/26/2020 8:43 PM] slinkygn Ah, that's a shame. Would've been a good test case. [7/26/2020 8:43 PM] slinkygn Do you think if they'd become a committee, Education would have stored the games? Or Tabletop? [7/26/2020 8:44 PM] slinkygn *Definitely* not tools used to make things. Sounds like it should be Ed, by your argument. [7/26/2020 8:44 PM] james_david_vance I don't know, but it sounds like that has to do with particular people that I don't even know [7/26/2020 8:44 PM] slinkygn Not relevant, though, right? It's a DMS committee in this scenario. They should all be treated under the same standards. [7/26/2020 8:46 PM] james_david_vance I think education should support people teaching network classes. Maybe they could do a monthly post on Talk with a list of equipment that can be used for classes, equipment that might otherwise not be highly visible [7/26/2020 8:47 PM] james_david_vance I think painting figurines falls squarely under creative arts [7/26/2020 8:47 PM] slinkygn Which is why I didn't ask about figurines. 🙂 [7/26/2020 8:48 PM] james_david_vance So we're talking about making tabletop games? [7/26/2020 8:48 PM] slinkygn Tabletop SIG didn't just color figurines. [7/26/2020 8:48 PM] slinkygn *doesn't [7/26/2020 8:49 PM] slinkygn Monthly posts on Talk would mean people would have to be on Talk, and enough to see the one post a month having that info, to know about those materials. It's a small hurdle that also means another few dozen small hurdles, as I covered above. [7/26/2020 8:50 PM] james_david_vance Alright well I think I more or less understand your position and I think you more or less understand mine. I like that we were able to have this discussion without it getting personal. I have some stuff I need to do for work tomorrow, though, so I'm going to do that now [7/26/2020 8:54 PM] doug.emes I have all of today's messages to read, gimme a while please. [7/26/2020 8:55 PM] doug.emes Was out of the house [7/26/2020 8:56 PM] slinkygn I do as well. Thanks for talking, Raffi. {Reactions} ❤️ [7/26/2020 9:59 PM] doug.emes and im caught up [7/26/2020 9:59 PM] doug.emes its worth a voice chat later on to fill in the cracks (much like beverage of choice after several cookies) {Reactions} 👍 [7/26/2020 10:25 PM] andrew5152 just laying my takeaway observation out here: The discussion surrounding language classes not being making, was honorarium-related. Slippery slopes, dangerous mires, yada yada yada. I'm of mixed opinions on the whole "are networking classes makery enough [to qualify for honorarium]?" question... 🤷‍♂️ gotta say, probably not. but maybe... [7/26/2020 11:10 PM] slinkygn I kinda see the slippery slope going the other way, tbh -- though that might not be germane to this conversation, I guess. [7/26/2020 11:12 PM] slinkygn The requirement to "make something" isn't problematic just because it's historically not what "makerspaces" nee hackerspaces are about -- it's also because that line can get arbitrarily strict. [7/26/2020 11:13 PM] slinkygn Lectury/demo stuff in Science? Inkscape or Fusion 3D classes? You don't make anything tangible in either -- you could argue in the latter that you can use those skills to make something tangible, but not as much in the former. [7/26/2020 11:14 PM] slinkygn Auto? Often repair rather than making? As I'm sure you'll recall, that argument was actually used back then. [7/26/2020 11:15 PM] slinkygn I would argue that networking can be a making skill just like Fusion 3D can be. [7/26/2020 11:15 PM] andrew5152 the argument that [things like language classes] should be honorarium was taken to the absurd pretty quickly...thus, the kneejerk "if you don't get to take a tchotchke, it ain't making" counter argument. [7/26/2020 11:15 PM] slinkygn In the same way that the lift is, now that I think about it. [7/26/2020 11:15 PM] andrew5152 you make the solid counter-argument; personally, good with those things you mention [7/26/2020 11:16 PM] andrew5152 less so with "learn spanish in just 3 easy hours" [7/26/2020 11:16 PM] slinkygn You definitely don't make anything by learning to use a lift -- but you use that ability to fix a car. Which is repair... and if that's making, why wouldn't repairing a network be? {Reactions} 👍 [7/26/2020 11:16 PM] andrew5152 (earning honorariums, that is; having the classes, no issue @ all provided there's room) [7/26/2020 11:17 PM] slinkygn I was even willing to extend it to languages. ("Spanish in just 3 hours" would fail to meet the line in my book, but not because of the language -- rather, because of overpromising/underdelivering. Snake oil clause.) 🙂 [7/26/2020 11:17 PM] slinkygn Skills, in general, can be used in creative ways to do various things that wouldn't immediately be related. [7/26/2020 11:18 PM] slinkygn Maybe I didn't use what I got out of the lift class to fix a car. Maybe I used it to fix a hydraulic pump somewhere. [7/26/2020 11:18 PM] andrew5152 meh. I think that fails my personal 'contributes to the culture' test, personally. regardless of language or hours in class or how it's billed... [7/26/2020 11:18 PM] slinkygn Maybe Spanish helps me take a course unavailable elsewhere on POTS phreaking. Who knows. [7/26/2020 11:18 PM] slinkygn Fair, to each their own 🙂 [7/26/2020 11:19 PM] andrew5152 and to be honest (as someone who was initially attracted to the idea of DMS *because of automotive/motorsport*, gotta say pretty much nothing in auto passes the "make something" test, either (which is part of why this slope is slippery, I suppose) [7/26/2020 11:19 PM] slinkygn The idea of "hacking" writ large, which I see as fundamental to what we do, is about experiential learning of skills to do things that would otherwise be difficult to do in the "straightforward" way. {Reactions} 👍 [7/26/2020 11:20 PM] slinkygn And in that general sense, the bigger the toolkit, the more jobs you can tackle. [7/26/2020 11:20 PM] andrew5152 but what if you used those lift skills to create a mega-bot that went out crushing cars and capturing kids' minds for STEM with its massive hydraulic skillz?" [7/26/2020 11:20 PM] andrew5152 yeah, I guess... [7/26/2020 11:21 PM] slinkygn I wouldn't have thought that learning about craft coffee (not at the space, but well before all this) would've helped me wrap my head around organic chem. But turned out it's probably half the reason I got a B in it. 🙂 [7/26/2020 11:21 PM] andrew5152 yeah. [7/26/2020 11:21 PM] andrew5152 thus, into the absurd in 3 posts flat {Reactions} 🤣 [7/26/2020 11:22 PM] slinkygn Sure, some stuff strains credulity to claim as a "regular" thing. That's the snake oil test. 🙂 But foregoing a specific claim, general "toolkit" knowledge ends up being applicable in some surprising fashions, for just about everybody. [7/26/2020 11:22 PM] slinkygn Different for everybody, of course. [7/26/2020 11:22 PM] andrew5152 I mean, if you look from afar without the steps in between... (tool has a song about this concept of little by little...) [7/26/2020 11:22 PM] andrew5152 well, this is why I hate these arguments, and am not on the board, and dont' really envy them having to do their duty. {Reactions} 👍 [7/26/2020 11:23 PM] slinkygn meeeeee seven. [7/26/2020 11:24 PM] slinkygn I never did write up that "statement of non-intent" I threatened to make back in 2016 when folks wanted me to run 🙂 Opportunity missed! [7/26/2020 11:24 PM] andrew5152 lol [7/26/2020 11:24 PM] slinkygn Frankly, I'll admit a personal penchant for the permissive side of the argument -- specifically because I *also* hate these arguments. {Reactions} 👍 [7/26/2020 11:25 PM] slinkygn I'd love to not have them. Just let people throw stuff against a wall (within reason, of course) and if enough folks turn up for it for there to be a second run of it next time, there's a second run of it. [7/26/2020 11:25 PM] andrew5152 I hope you are taken up on the offer to parlimentarian the phoque out of the voting system (or connecting us to someone who will). That needs addressed, and you're offer seems brilliant (hint hint @Lampy (Ken Purcell) presumptive secretary 2020) [7/26/2020 11:26 PM] slinkygn To be SUPER SUPER clear: the latter was an offer. The former was *not*. 🙂 [7/26/2020 11:26 PM] slinkygn You've probably seen some of the reaction here when I open my mouth about parliamentary procedure. [7/26/2020 11:27 PM] andrew5152 indeed. and as much as I hate closed-door doings,THAT probably needs to be one. and I agree, non-member professional is the only way to go. [7/26/2020 11:27 PM] slinkygn Taking money for that kind of work when I'm also a member is a conflict of interest -- and there ain't no way in *hell* I'm going to take that kind of bullshit for free 🙂 {Reactions} 👍 (2) 🤣 [7/27/2020 3:40 AM] dinkbatt im not gonna show up to the computer committee meeting in person on wed. thats no dice yall [7/27/2020 3:41 AM] dinkbatt https://tenor.com/view/lysol-spray-spraying-disinfectant-keep-it-clean-rona-be-gone-gif-17291929 {Embed} https://tenor.com/view/lysol-spray-spraying-disinfectant-keep-it-clean-rona-be-gone-gif-17291929 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ae-Aty2zkdSUWhcuyaE0Tk9Eesg1rNZjF7hbxpf_dVI/https/media.tenor.co/images/fc1b66b95ee8a93377331fb48d6d3a98/tenor.png [7/27/2020 8:04 AM] james_david_vance I put that on the calendar before the rona [7/27/2020 8:05 AM] james_david_vance I'll change it to online only [7/27/2020 8:06 AM] james_david_vance It's online only now [7/27/2020 8:36 AM] kenpurcell We could certainly used a parlimentarian for some of those 4+ hour board meetings of yore. Tried to have the discussion on talk & discord and office hours to engage with members and get their input. Back to being harder with the 'rona. {Reactions} 👍 [7/28/2020 3:37 AM] slinkygn I think after one of those was when I offered to help. :) That was a looong time ago! [7/28/2020 6:07 PM] hardsuit The few times I tried to have them use even a super stripped down Roberts rules when things got cranky it got shouted down that " we don't use Roberts"... [7/29/2020 6:15 PM] james_david_vance @SackOvRats (Brenly) The computer committee meeting is at 7. There's a google meet link in the event description. https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/15398 [7/29/2020 7:05 PM] james_david_vance To join the video meeting, click this link: https://meet.google.com/bck-iyug-pmv Otherwise, to join by phone, dial +1 252-923-3259 and enter this PIN: 376 163 112# To view more phone numbers, click this link: https://tel.meet/bck-iyug-pmv?hs=5 {Embed} https://meet.google.com/bck-iyug-pmv Meet Real-time meetings by Google. Using your browser, share your video, desktop, and presentations with teammates and customers. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/esmkNqRvv_uM84r7jKXLg4PJYn6vHhrSoJ2Qs7oO2Z8/https/www.gstatic.com/images/branding/product/2x/meet_96dp.png {Embed} https://tel.meet/bck-iyug-pmv?hs=5 Join this video meeting Real-time meetings by Google. Using your browser, share your video, desktop, and presentations with teammates and customers. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/esmkNqRvv_uM84r7jKXLg4PJYn6vHhrSoJ2Qs7oO2Z8/https/www.gstatic.com/images/branding/product/2x/meet_96dp.png {Reactions} 👍 [7/29/2020 7:06 PM] james_david_vance Computer committee meeting is happening now for anyone who wants to join @SackOvRats (Brenly) [7/30/2020 7:46 AM] james_david_vance Dwight and I are going to work on making an interactive exhibit with a vintage computer. It's going to be an opportunity for me to learn about Apple's new App Clips (Android already has a similar thing called Instant Apps) https://developer.apple.com/app-clips/ I'm thinking that the computer will be hooked up to a display and there will be a sign with instructions explaining that you can send commands to the computer and providing a few suggested commands. We could also build our own scripts that do interesting, engaging things. There will then be a QR code for the maker to download the app. In terms of how the commands get sent to the computer, I think we can use Google Cloud Firestore. We can just have one document that has a field called latestCommand. We could have an application running on a Raspberry Pi that listens to changes in this document, and when the latestCommand field changes, it could send that command to the machine, unless we can have an app that runs on the machine itself, which would be cool. We should probably have a list of commands that are acceptable, that way you don't get people deleting files and stuff. If those files are already password protected though, and the app is running on the Raspberry Pi, it might be safe to let people do any command. Might be cool to hook up a speaker to the machine to support the bell command. Anyone have any ideas or advice for this? Also, @denzuko please DM me your email address so we can get started. {Embed} https://developer.apple.com/app-clips/ App Clips - Apple Developer App clips are a great way for users to quickly access and experience what your app has to offer. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bxYXAJZNf7PuNd0JfuazBju-KtIXHunSH_ZUahPsE9U/https/developer.apple.com/news/images/og/app-clips-og.jpg [7/30/2020 8:28 AM] andrew5152 is this the kind of thing you're talking about (but with apple-y stuff)? https://dmsvintagecomputers.com/ {Reactions} 👍 😤 [7/30/2020 8:10 PM] james_david_vance I was thinking it would connect to a vintage computer in an exhibit and you'd see the output there, but that looks really cool. [7/30/2020 8:28 PM] james_david_vance That site doesn't work on mobile 😔 [7/31/2020 11:02 AM] james_david_vance If anyone is interested in helping develop the retro computer side of a retro computer interactive exhibit please DM me. I have a plan here that's missing some parts for the retro computer side: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F60dR8o50gL8Th6QoSZQWjTSBVTdFO6BKDlFZvAYL-U/ {Embed} https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F60dR8o50gL8Th6QoSZQWjTSBVTdFO6BKDlFZvAYL-U/ North Lobby Retro Computing Exhibit Use Cases/Scenarios When a maker walks into the North Lobby, then they see a screen with a QR code and instructions. Instructions TBD, should include a prompt to try the ‘help’ command and maybe a few suggested commands When a maker scans the QR Code, then they are aken throug... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Ez5yPUiaHV4j0zwwX0cTIMlI8sgbtWO5L5quFzgr9j0/https/lh6.googleusercontent.com/zF0dOzkQQDcNI_uLrlD9E-2bPucAYla2ZMomzyxIbOi_KewkeqYy3nRn9F7W_uUKXtXfCeAZvw%3Dw1200-h630-p [8/1/2020 9:18 PM] denzuko5245 @A. Spencer(jast) your rather spot on with the end product; the implementation would be something like the writeup in https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/connecting-to-a-remote-serial-port-over-tcp-ip/73610 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/connecting-to-a-remote-serial-port-over-tcp-ip/73610 Connecting to a Remote Serial Port over TCP/IP Ever needed a way to communicate with some RS232 enabled device remotely? Well this is where socat, docker, and shellinabox comes in handy. On a device that is connected via serial rs232 which will act as a host. Using the follo... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PdwaJ18nSa5s2gVRvgI7JkiwL9PlAXpvY5wPpc0efHc/https/www.ladyada.net/images/arduino/serialdata.gif [8/1/2020 9:21 PM] denzuko5245 @DJ Vance if your wanting to do some complicated google cloud app for ios only then do an app. Vintage and retro machines just are not going to understand an iOS app as a keyboard and mouse. At best one can run a BBS and terminal emulator, at worst (or more fun depending on pov) a custom rs232 interface would be needed to act as a null modem or serial console. [8/1/2020 9:22 PM] denzuko5245 Also depends on what machines one is trying to connect with. Which is what I asked about; so which machine is going to be on display? [8/1/2020 9:29 PM] denzuko5245 oh for anyone interested the site that @A. Spencer(jast) brought up has its source code at https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/vcc-grid-os-ui which we're using firebase: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/vcc-grid-os-ui/blob/gh-pages/main.js#L527 {Embed} https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/vcc-grid-os-ui Dallas-Makerspace/vcc-grid-os-ui Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/vcc-grid-os-ui development by creating an account on GitHub. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ITo4w4d0AAbib6KoqFCWr28DlNpOEUOWzQMSxDMvYw8/%3Fs%3D400%26v%3D4/https/avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/920460 {Embed} https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/vcc-grid-os-ui/blob/gh-pages/main.js Dallas-Makerspace/vcc-grid-os-ui Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/vcc-grid-os-ui development by creating an account on GitHub. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ITo4w4d0AAbib6KoqFCWr28DlNpOEUOWzQMSxDMvYw8/%3Fs%3D400%26v%3D4/https/avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/920460 [8/1/2020 9:38 PM] denzuko5245 but.. that nfc capabilities sounds interesting. Android even supports it [8/1/2020 9:38 PM] denzuko5245 https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/passive-adhesive-background-qr-code-printable_62118396384.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.82.56a91e63tSjS3r {Embed} https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/passive-adhesive-background-qr-code-printable_62118396384.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.82.56a91e63tSjS3r Passive Adhesive Background Qr Code Printable Nfc Stickers For Andr... Passive Adhesive Background Qr Code Printable Nfc Stickers For Android , Find Complete Details about Passive Adhesive Background Qr Code Printable Nfc Stickers For Android,Contactless Nfc Sticker Label,Nfc Sticker Rectangle,Nfc Label Rectangle from Access Control Card Supplier... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rV53IOU44o6c5RNIyq_ht6PKQIK3Hh-bNREPdNx7crM/https/sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1.cDxXACy2eVjSZSyq6xukVXad.jpg [8/1/2020 9:39 PM] denzuko5245 could use those stickers to print the same url on the qr code which loads up the web interface that displays the machine's history, wiki page, videos, etc. [8/1/2020 9:41 PM] denzuko5245 might just need to scrap sites like https://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=96 or https://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/c128/for details on the machine. then include videos from LGR or 8bit guy (unless we actually make our own :wink wink, nudge nudge: ). {Reactions} 👍 [8/1/2020 9:43 PM] denzuko5245 might even be able to drop them into a simh console which preloads a game title or software on top of it from that same landing page [8/1/2020 9:48 PM] denzuko5245 hey... looks like adafruit can supply both: https://www.adafruit.com/product/362 https://www.adafruit.com/product/707 {Embed} https://www.adafruit.com/product/362 13.56MHz RFID/NFC Sticker - Classic 1K This is a blank 13.56MHz RFID/NFC sticker - often used for inventory uses but also wherever a sticker is desired. The tag contains a small RFID chip and an antenna, and is passively ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/aLm5sFqNeKmQvb3hvD8G3kiz50A2rE5_8Fl-oF73Rp4/http/www.adafruit.com/images/480x360/362-01.jpg {Embed} https://www.adafruit.com/product/707 QR Code - Sticker! QR codes! You learned how to make them and use them! The sticker itself is a QR code too! Adafruit offers a fun and exciting stickers to celebrate achievement for electronics, science and ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/-dEjVsNIWm96XVelDov-FDbjDWRIKVNIC28aUifkZUE/http/www.adafruit.com/images/480x360/707-01.jpg [8/1/2020 9:51 PM] denzuko5245 and.. programming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nGs0R8-suQ {Embed} CNET https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nGs0R8-suQ How to program an NFC tag with your Android device Programming an NFC tag from your NFC capable Android device is extremely easy and can lend itself to some very useful scenarios. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/LJwTRkCVeFzB4JYHb4LBgHrX3RPB2HIcrarRhU16B8g/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/9nGs0R8-suQ/maxresdefault.jpg [8/1/2020 9:53 PM] james_david_vance > Also depends on what machines one is trying to connect with. Which is what I asked about; so which machine is going to be on display? @denzuko I was thinking for the machine, we could use one of the ones we already have, but choose whatever you want, keeping in mind that we want this to be a quick project. [8/1/2020 9:55 PM] james_david_vance I've started working on the iOS and Firestore part of the project. I plan on having and MVP with a simple text field that modifies values on the Firestore back-end available for testing a week from tomorrow so that anyone who wants to can start building out the retro machine side. [8/1/2020 9:55 PM] denzuko5245 ok agreed but what machines do we have? [8/1/2020 9:55 PM] james_david_vance I don't know what machines we have. Pretty sure there's a Commodore of some kind [8/1/2020 9:56 PM] james_david_vance If anyone wants to track progress, I've set up this BitBucket repo for the iOS side: https://bitbucket.org/RaffiRincon/ios-retro-computer-exhibit/src/master/ {Embed} https://bitbucket.org/RaffiRincon/ios-retro-computer-exhibit/src/master/ Bitbucket [8/1/2020 9:58 PM] james_david_vance Here's the plan for the exhibit if anyone wants to work on it with me: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F60dR8o50gL8Th6QoSZQWjTSBVTdFO6BKDlFZvAYL-U/edit?usp=sharing {Embed} https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F60dR8o50gL8Th6QoSZQWjTSBVTdFO6BKDlFZvAYL-U/edit?usp=sharing North Lobby Retro Computing Exhibit Use Cases/Scenarios When a maker walks into the North Lobby, then they see a screen with a QR code and instructions. Instructions TBD, should include a prompt to try the ‘help’ command and maybe a few suggested commands When a maker scans the QR Code, then they are aken throug... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Ez5yPUiaHV4j0zwwX0cTIMlI8sgbtWO5L5quFzgr9j0/https/lh6.googleusercontent.com/zF0dOzkQQDcNI_uLrlD9E-2bPucAYla2ZMomzyxIbOi_KewkeqYy3nRn9F7W_uUKXtXfCeAZvw%3Dw1200-h630-p [8/1/2020 9:59 PM] denzuko5245 https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Interactive_Computer_Museum <- inventory prior to the fundraiser {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Interactive_Computer_Museum Interactive Computer Museum [8/1/2020 10:02 PM] james_david_vance From the retro machine side, my suggestion is to have an app running on a microcontroller, listen for changes to a document in a Firestore database, then send the latest command in that document to the retro machine. It's very easy to set up an app that gets callbacks when changes are made. When there is a change, you'd have to get the text in a field that has the text that the user sent in from their phone. [8/1/2020 10:04 PM] james_david_vance These are the libraries that Google has created for Firestore: {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/739317617357094952/unknown.png?ex=67b93eaf&is=67b7ed2f&hm=19ffaa143d1ad89765d4e760b9b7519f479f887fdbc0e6ca3dc6eaf4fe869e7a& [8/1/2020 10:05 PM] james_david_vance So the cool thing about it is that if someone wants to add a website, Android app, or Python script running on a Raspberry Pi, they can do so [8/1/2020 10:07 PM] james_david_vance Since it's so simple, I will create a Python script that listens to the document and have it run on one of my Raspberry Pis. But I will still need help sending it as keyboard input to one of the retro machines. [8/1/2020 10:07 PM] denzuko5245 yeah wouldn't it be easier to just make the app talk directly to a tcp socket which is using socat as a proxy. [8/1/2020 10:08 PM] james_david_vance I don't know, but I know how to set up a Firestore database, how to make an iOS app for this quickly, and even make the Raspberry Pi client for it, so that's what I'm doing. [8/1/2020 10:10 PM] denzuko5245 well https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/connecting-to-a-remote-serial-port-over-tcp-ip/73610 this sets up a rasberry pi in five minutes. your app would just need to scan in a standard telnet:// url and present a vt100 terminal interface then could be done in an hour {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/connecting-to-a-remote-serial-port-over-tcp-ip/73610 Connecting to a Remote Serial Port over TCP/IP Ever needed a way to communicate with some RS232 enabled device remotely? Well this is where socat, docker, and shellinabox comes in handy. On a device that is connected via serial rs232 which will act as a host. Using the follo... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PdwaJ18nSa5s2gVRvgI7JkiwL9PlAXpvY5wPpc0efHc/https/www.ladyada.net/images/arduino/serialdata.gif [8/1/2020 10:11 PM] denzuko5245 the only thing to wait on would be the nfc/qr stickers to be shipped and building the cardbus rs232 interface [8/1/2020 10:11 PM] denzuko5245 sorry, cardbus is older. userport [8/1/2020 10:12 PM] denzuko5245 there we go: http://biosrhythm.com/?p=1136 {Embed} paulrickards http://biosrhythm.com/?p=1136 DIY RS-232 Interface for Commodore C64 for under $15 [8/1/2020 10:12 PM] denzuko5245 and cabling: https://www.amazon.com/USB-Serial-Adapter-Prolific-PL-2303/dp/B003WOWBBW/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-p13n1_0?cv_ct_cx=rs232+usb&dchild=1&keywords=rs232+usb&pd_rd_i=B003WOWBBW&pd_rd_r=e94b57e3-e6d1-486f-93a6-12488b53160c&pd_rd_w=wiDjI&pd_rd_wg=5QamK&pf_rd_p=13bf9bc7-d68d-44c3-9d2e-647020f56802&pf_rd_r=6E79FHA5MTGEK33N88CH&psc=1&qid=1596337962&sr=1-1-791c2399-d602-4248-afbb-8a79de2d236f [8/1/2020 10:13 PM] james_david_vance Like I said, everything will be up and ready to play with for anyone who wants to help me build this. It will be ready by end of day August 9th. I'll come on here and help set up a Raspberry Pi client for anyone who wants to help. [8/1/2020 10:13 PM] denzuko5245 better yet; prebuilt one: https://www.tindie.com/products/gglabs/glink-lt-commodore-64-user-port-rs-232-vic1011/ {Embed} https://www.tindie.com/products/gglabs/glink-lt-commodore-64-user-port-rs-232-vic1011/ GLINK-LT - Commodore 64 User Port RS-232 - VIC1011 by GGLABS on Tindie Commodore 64/128 User Port RS232 (VIC-1011 clone with UP9600 support) https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/VAkBkQIZUf2t7f48218ZmP-ydRSkm5qfqp-dag_MfgU/https/cdn.tindiemedia.com/images/resize/DyoHNx5VcuU-ZjKjBvTW3q2xMxE%3D/p/1200x630/smart/i/75317/products/2017-04-30T23%253A18%253A42.115Z-glink-lt-A02.jpg [8/1/2020 10:15 PM] james_david_vance Anyone who wants to build a client for this will need some credentials from me as described in the guides, so when it's all ready I will email the credentials to anyone who requests it. [8/2/2020 1:44 PM] james_david_vance @A. Spencer(jast) > yeah wouldn't it be easier to just make the app talk directly to a tcp socket which is using socat as a proxy. @denzuko For someone who knows how to do that, maybe, but I don't know how to do that and I want this to get done quickly. [8/5/2020 1:47 AM] dinkbatt just a heads up im gonna be hosting a mac address sniffing twitch stream next tuesday 7 pm. its gonna fukken rule. im gonna host it the way that other twitch streamers do, where i know plenty about the subject and have half of it prepped and we're gonna work through it live bit by bit. https://www.twitch.tv/rat_sack {Embed} https://www.twitch.tv/rat_sack rat_sack - Twitch I am actually a sack of rats that accidentally went too far in life.https://github.com/brenly https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/w7Pq7qwaY0b6oSZ0JREpfa9-Nsvj5hN11Bfk9MlKC3c/https/static-cdn.jtvnw.net/jtv_user_pictures/a9a7f9a784304e6e-profile_image-300x300.jpeg [8/8/2020 3:17 PM] denzuko5245 well looks like the computer committee was shutdown last night. what time should I come by and pick up the museum stuff that I've had on extended loan? [8/8/2020 3:21 PM] nullinterface presumably as early as possible [8/8/2020 4:17 PM] canibalcrab Assuming you want it back [8/8/2020 4:17 PM] canibalcrab But you probably need to verify it with aomeone [8/10/2020 3:59 AM] denzuko5245 done, not sure what to do about the +$690 worth of display furnishings and lighting; (Ikea VITTSJÖ, Detolf, LEDBERG, DIODER, TANGKULA Wall Mounted Table, Whitmor Supreme Small Shelving) though. [8/10/2020 8:44 AM] kenpurcell Are these your items or things bought with committee dollars? [8/10/2020 12:40 PM] denzuko5245 @Lampy (Ken Purcell) the committee didn't have any dollars, nor spent any that was gained by honorarium; they were bought out of pocket and on extend loan for the use of the interactive computer museum. [8/10/2020 12:44 PM] kenpurcell Ok, thanks. [8/10/2020 12:46 PM] hon1nbo > @Lampy (Ken Purcell) the committee didn't have any dollars, nor spent any that was gained by honorarium; they were bought out of pocket and on extend loan for the use of the interactive computer museum. @denzuko And where is documentation of this? [8/10/2020 7:27 PM] james_david_vance The Firestore database and the basic functionality of the iOS app are done [8/10/2020 7:28 PM] james_david_vance I have a demo here {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303381963111268354/742539784508932116/Demo.mov?ex=67b91a10&is=67b7c890&hm=1727881556df7208b8cb1a210f4d58db56abaf1101925c2db49340be8ddd545c& [8/10/2020 7:29 PM] james_david_vance I've also set up rules so that no new fields or documents can be created. [8/10/2020 7:33 PM] james_david_vance I'm going to work on the Raspberry Pi side of it now. I'll probably add an Android app for it after that. [8/10/2020 7:35 PM] james_david_vance If anyone wants to work on a website for it, send me a message and I'll send you the credentials you need. [8/11/2020 9:18 AM] kenpurcell OMG, I hate migrating clients email accounts. So painful if the transfers do not complete overnight. {Reactions} 🤞 [8/18/2020 11:08 AM] denzuko5245 @Lampy (Ken Purcell) random curiosity. What's the system(s) your transfering to and from? [8/18/2020 11:42 AM] kenpurcell From CentOS based server to G Suite Gmail accounts. [8/19/2020 5:24 PM] denzuko5245 oh.. how fun. I'd usually just go straight gmail if I can't host my own servers but gmass helps. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/gmass-powerful-mail-merge/ehomdgjhgmbidokdgicgmdiedadncbgf?hl=en-US {Embed} https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/gmass-powerful-mail-merge/ehomdgjhgmbidokdgicgmdiedadncbgf?hl=en-US GMass: Powerful mail merge for Gmail A powerful mass email and mail merge system for Gmail. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/d1hwusUpTUvd341N-8ZPPd776ERKEjUfpE2ryKorz_g/https/lh3.googleusercontent.com/L0pfEvEja9964X7AUWwKHcz9eFT0_8z2FxtgkypR5NzshVb6dhP03CIOkQPwfQ6zeMrOc5gB%3Dw128-h128-e365 [8/26/2020 10:30 AM] james_david_vance I need some help answering some beginner backend development questions as well as some guidance from the logistics chair. For the Retro Computer Exhibit, I want to have an iOS app clip. I'll probably do an Android Instant App as well. I think I have to set up a web server in order to have an app clip, since in the documentation (https://developer.apple.com/documentation/app_clips/creating_an_app_clip) it says "In addition, you must configure your web server to enable the system to verify your app clip’s authenticity." 1. I'm thinking that I can just set up a static IP on a device on my home network and set it up to serve whatever request Apple needs it to. I'm thinking I don't need to have a domain name, a static IP will do. Is this correct? 2. Also, I'm hoping I can just set up a raspberry Pi and leave it at the space as opposed to my home network so that the app clip can have less downtime if I move or if I lose power and the space does not lose power. I would hate for there to be a QR code in the lobby that people scan just to get disappointed. Not a good experience. @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium do you think it might be possible for me to do the Raspberry Pi thing and just leave it at the space? I assume I'd have to come up with a proposal or a more detailed plan to see if it would work from a security and logistics perspective. And of course this needs technical documentation in case it needs to be sunsetted or maintained. But is there anything that rules this out right off the bat? [8/26/2020 10:44 AM] james_david_vance If this does seem feasible to have at the space (not asking for commitment/approval at this point), I'm thinking I would set it up so that someone could email logistics if they find a bug and they want to fix it, then logistics could give access to the raspberry Pi for them to tinker. Not sure how to test this kind of thing in a lower environment as opposed to prod, but the App Clip server would only be for the Apple requirement, it wouldn't implement any functionality of the App Clip itself (that's handled by Google Cloud Firestore, admin access to which I'd give to logistics, and I'd remove myself as an admin). That way Logistics could facilitate people making changes or completely deleting the whole thing if/when the time comes. And since logistics would be the only admin/owner (I forget what the highest level is in Google Cloud Firestore), control would remain at the space, not in any individual who may come or go. I figure this is better than me having it at my home network and being the one with complete control over the Firestore database. For one, if one day I become crazy (er), the space has no guarantee that I wouldn't do something completely illegal that could hurt the reputation of the space. Or maybe someone could be at my apartment and think they're pulling a funny prank when really they're messing with content that goes to people who are forming their first impressions of the space. All of that would be impossible if it's completely under control of the logistics committee (or at least it would take bad actors to make it into the logistics committee). @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium Let me know when you get a chance [8/26/2020 11:01 AM] hon1nbo what exactly is this for? [8/26/2020 11:01 AM] hon1nbo it's written like it's for a project going on that I have no knowledge of [8/26/2020 11:04 AM] james_david_vance Oh sorry, this is for a retro computer exhibit in progress. I've posted it a few times in here. Haven't gotten approval since I wanted to make some more progress on it, have a better demo before asking for approval from logistics and PR. Here's a Google Doc that explains the idea: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F60dR8o50gL8Th6QoSZQWjTSBVTdFO6BKDlFZvAYL-U/edit {Embed} https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F60dR8o50gL8Th6QoSZQWjTSBVTdFO6BKDlFZvAYL-U/edit North Lobby Retro Computing Exhibit Use Cases/Scenarios When a maker walks into the North Lobby, then they see a screen with a QR code and instructions. Instructions TBD, should include a prompt to try the ‘help’ command and maybe a few suggested commands When a maker scans the QR Code, then they are aken throug... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Ez5yPUiaHV4j0zwwX0cTIMlI8sgbtWO5L5quFzgr9j0/https/lh6.googleusercontent.com/zF0dOzkQQDcNI_uLrlD9E-2bPucAYla2ZMomzyxIbOi_KewkeqYy3nRn9F7W_uUKXtXfCeAZvw%3Dw1200-h630-p [8/26/2020 11:05 AM] james_david_vance I think I have to change the plan a bit since it seems no one wants to work with me on the vintage computer side. I'll probably just have to emulate a vintage computer instead of having the commands run on an actual vintage computer. [8/26/2020 11:11 AM] james_david_vance https://discordapp.com/channels/300062029559889931/303381963111268354/742539788514492416 This is a demo I posted of what I have so far. So far it's just an iOS app that can change a field of a document on a server (I'm using Google Cloud Firestore, which is a backend-as-a-service). Firestore structures data in collections and documents, so you have a root collection, and documents can have fields of certain types (String, boolean, number, and a few others). They can also have subcollections, which contain documents, which can have subcollections, etc. I set up rules on the server so that no new documents can be created and no new fields can be added to the document. What's left is the Raspberry Pi implementation which will include the retro computer emulation to process the commands as well as the server that Apple requires in order to have an App Clip. [8/26/2020 11:11 AM] hon1nbo If logistics / PR approve the exhibit then we can either drop a pi server or a VM with what's needed at that point [8/26/2020 11:11 AM] hon1nbo until it actually becomes a DMS thing though it's not going to be in our server infra for the time being [8/26/2020 11:12 AM] james_david_vance Right, I won't be messing with anything DMS until I get approval. [8/26/2020 11:12 AM] hon1nbo community-grid like things were unmaintainable in their prior forms; when we get the new server infra running properly I'm hoping to bring that back in a more managed way [8/26/2020 11:14 AM] james_david_vance Well that's probably more advanced back-end than I currently can help with, but maybe I'll tinker with that at some point. @Ex Machina I think you were talking excitedly about a community grid thing. [8/26/2020 11:17 AM] james_david_vance This would be just a thing in the North Lobby where someone could scan a QR code and get an Android Instant app or an iOS App Clip, then they would be able to send commands via the app to the Raspberry Pi, which would send them to an emulation of a vintage computer, the vintage computer would send the result to the Raspbian installation, and then Raspbian would display the results (with pretty, retro-looking graphics) on a display that the person in the lobby would see. [8/26/2020 11:18 AM] james_david_vance The "sending to the Raspberry Pi" would be done via a Python script on Raspbian that would listen for changes to the Firestore document. [8/28/2020 2:45 PM] kenpurcell Any good starting user guides for Proxmox? [8/28/2020 3:58 PM] denzuko yeah, the ones for openstack [8/28/2020 3:59 PM] denzuko kind of serious there but if your married to proxmox try the ones at https://www.servethehome.com/building-a-proxmox-ve-lab-part-2-deploying/ {Embed} Nick Fusco https://www.servethehome.com/building-a-proxmox-ve-lab-part-2-deploying/ Building a Proxmox VE Lab Part 2 Deploying | ServeTheHome In Building a Proxmox VE Lab Part 2 we deploy a small Proxmox VE hyper-converged solution using KVM virtualization and ZFS-backed Gluster storage https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/VKDarxfG3HdAQsu4A7RJzdQNvj2-ttwhEmxXqq2biIU/https/www.servethehome.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Annotation-2020-07-19-200457.png [8/31/2020 3:35 PM] james_david_vance !members [9/2/2020 2:12 PM] kenpurcell Got my TrueNAS build up and running. So delightful! Much better than my old Infrant/Netgear systems. [9/2/2020 2:14 PM] skyspook It's really pretty cool. It's come a long way. I'm still on the last version of freenas, but I'll upgrade soon [9/2/2020 2:51 PM] kenpurcell Running TrueNAS Core 12 beta. Core is still free but change in the dev process and name. The Share & ACL stuff have been reorganized and a lot clearer. [9/2/2020 2:54 PM] kenpurcell 10Gb will be coming soon as I'm still maxing out 4x 1Gb ports. My old NAS took 9 days to backup 3.7TB, just started this morning and the new NAS is almost caught up. [9/3/2020 5:57 PM] andrew5152 what's your favorite way to re-author a .ISO file? [9/3/2020 6:17 PM] kenpurcell You mean a DMG? Mac thing. [9/3/2020 6:30 PM] andrew5152 no... [9/3/2020 6:30 PM] andrew5152 winders [9/3/2020 6:31 PM] andrew5152 just stick a file sitting here on my Windows 10 desktop into a .iso file that I can send off to a buddy to load on their VM [9/3/2020 7:00 PM] hon1nbo use the VMWare Physical to Virtual to make a VMDK [9/3/2020 7:01 PM] hon1nbo then load the VM, run the sysprep process, so it will be a clean config with wahtever you installed as required. [9/3/2020 7:01 PM] hon1nbo or just the desktop as-is [9/3/2020 7:01 PM] hon1nbo whatever. The vmware tool works wonders [9/3/2020 7:01 PM] hon1nbo on a running system [9/3/2020 7:55 PM] andrew5152 P2V on an entire system seems like the hard way around to getting c:\users\desktop\MyfavoriteGame\ onto an ISO... [9/3/2020 9:43 PM] hon1nbo ah misread as the windows 10 desktop and not the "file sitting here" part {Reactions} 👍 [9/4/2020 10:19 AM] doug.emes Back in the day... maybe alcohol 120% [9/4/2020 10:24 AM] andrew5152 yeah. haven't used in...decades? 😄 [9/4/2020 10:24 AM] doug.emes Long live cdroms... um nah [9/4/2020 10:24 AM] doug.emes But I did buy it, not just use free alcohol 52% {Reactions} 😆 [9/4/2020 10:31 AM] andrew5152 last I actually did this, I used Ubuntu: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/cdrom_image.iso mkisofs -o /tmp/cd.iso /tmp/directory/ (or so) but haven't done one on Windows since XP with Nero and/or whatever that executable it was I found in some esoteric "power tools" cache before Microsoft bought them out... Currently exploring oscdimg, which apparently ships with WAIK win7 and up, but really don't have time to dink just this second, so discovering that is as far as I've gotten... apparently imgburn also still works... though I never got that to cooperate, either, back when... anywho. Off to the back burner this goes again... [9/9/2020 1:56 AM] doug.emes not for me, but I remember the original sinclair https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/spectrumnext/zx-spectrum-next-issue-2 {Embed} https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/spectrumnext/zx-spectrum-next-issue-2 ZX Spectrum Next - Issue 2 The ZX Spectrum Next: The Evolution of the ZX Spectrum Computer. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/GIyH2FsJiPFdywmnllAY7tSSvwNMpbe4z1LRKUSzA1Q/%3Fixlib%3Drb-2.1.0%26crop%3Dfaces%26w%3D1552%26h%3D873%26fit%3Dcrop%26v%3D1596373536%26auto%3Dformat%26frame%3D1%26q%3D92%26s%3Dc840429d24d3d92bcce8a26d589fccda/https/ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/030/040/904/0d4ca056a727101388849143c8057daf_original.png [9/9/2020 2:39 AM] doug.emes and just a keyboard instead of a keyboard looking computer (my previous post) - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ajazz/ajazz-k620t-powerful-60compact-wireless-mechanical-keyboard {Embed} https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ajazz/ajazz-k620t-powerful-60compact-wireless-mechanical-keyboard Ajazz K620T Powerful 60%Compact Wireless Mechanical Keyboard 60% Compact | 4400mA Battery | Wired & Wireless | Synced work on multiple devices | Wheel Volume Button | MacOS, Windows, IOS, Android https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4RnIasOuLSe-Sv7faMIecEQBtSLkWYag62phw8zLUts/%3Fixlib%3Drb-2.1.0%26crop%3Dfaces%26w%3D1552%26h%3D873%26fit%3Dcrop%26v%3D1597031717%26auto%3Dformat%26frame%3D1%26q%3D92%26s%3D2dc0be29a7170daa0202feae3e66f0f5/https/ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/030/134/209/5a388500e2c1b3182016ebf2390e5f45_original.png [9/21/2020 1:09 AM] dinkbatt my W key keeps going out in my corsair keeb. like it shorts / stucks. im getting a separate more durable WASD gaming half keeb. but to keep my full size keeb. does anyone have experience swapping out the switches on a store bought corsair? its the model where they are soldered on [9/21/2020 11:02 AM] hon1nbo do you know what switches it uses? Mechanical keyboards with cherry switches can often be swapped out though you may need to validate the switch form factor [9/21/2020 11:46 AM] themitch22 You can remove a cherry mx style switch easily [9/21/2020 11:46 AM] themitch22 If its LED backlit it might be a little trickier [9/22/2020 4:10 AM] dinkbatt i just looked it up. it seems the led backlits are built in / not much harder. getting them in the mail today~ st0ked [9/25/2020 1:37 PM] doug.emes https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10640/ {Embed} https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10640/ Design for the iPadOS pointer - WWDC 2020 - Videos - Apple Developer Bring the power of the pointer to your iPad app: We'll show you how Apple's design team approached designing the iPadOS pointer to... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/8lrn5e5QA-w1ziecGtgC2ZgaJBtjUNvXvbrvUlvjShM/https/devimages-cdn.apple.com/wwdc-services/images/49/3509/3509_wide_250x141_2x.jpg [11/3/2020 3:29 PM] kenpurcell email to PR: ```Past CodeLaunch Participants, This email is going out to a large group who were recently involved with CodeLaunch between 2016 and 2019. That means finalists, sponsors, exhibitors, hackathon teams, etc. The purpose is to enlist your help promoting attendance to our event this Thursday and/or to attend yourselves if you are not already. To make it easier we’ve attached a promo graphic and link which includes a FREE access promo code. This link automatically applies that code when clicked. https://bit.ly/3kOiTo0 CodeLaunch has always been an event which is produced collectively by everyone involved. If you are a CodeLaunch supporter, and you have North Texas reach, it is critically important we reach as many possible potential attendees. We have all waged a difficult battle this year and producing CodeLaunch has been one for us. We have 50 exhibitors and about 20 startups including the 5 finalists who come from 3 different states and Russia and South Korea! It will be a shame if attendance is off this year. Please share this on your personal social media, organizational social media, with other social media influencers, person-to-person emails or even send the graphic via SMS TXT to people who might like to attend. It will be a safe and fun event and everyone is going to follow the safety guidelines. Thank you and I hope to see you Thursday. Cheers, Jason W. Taylor | President Code Authority, Inc. – An Improving company``` {Reactions} 👍 [11/15/2020 7:01 PM] dinkbatt Alright I have a short C++ assignment i need a tiny bit of guidance on for school if anyone's online. Templates in c++ to declare an array size. It's super easy its just been a couple years for this exact subject -.- [11/15/2020 11:09 PM] denzuko Imho std:vector would be better [11/15/2020 11:11 PM] denzuko But my flavor of c/c++ is C99 and C03 [11/15/2020 11:17 PM] denzuko Maybe something like, std::array myArray{1,2,3} [11/15/2020 11:19 PM] denzuko Where param 1 is the value type & 2 is the max size. [11/15/2020 11:22 PM] denzuko Could be wrong since templates are a c11+ thing [11/16/2020 1:50 AM] hon1nbo vector would be better for linear objects with no need for templates (though a hashmap tends to perform better overall regardless as of c2011), but I'm guessing if templates are involved there is a reason for it. So a little background would go a long way [4/27/2021 11:03 AM] jediclick Are there any experts in defi here? I'm interested in learning about earning interest or perhaps making money by supplying liquidity but I'm not really sure where to start. I've got a few coins that I bought a long time ago and they are starting to be worth something. I've looked at BlockFi, Gemini, Celcius, and Nexo but it looks like the real future for earning is in defi. What are you guys doing with your coins? [6/30/2021 4:26 PM] denzuko Yes that's me. Some of my latest clients have been in that space. [6/30/2021 4:26 PM] denzuko What would you like to know? [9/9/2021 12:29 PM] slinkygn Ugh. I'm blanking. I use Debian only rarely (typically use Arch) and I can't remember what the name of the Debian dev-tools/buildtools/whatever package is. (That bundles gcc, make, all the essential stuff.) Anybody recall it off the top of their head before I start Googling too-vague terms over here? [9/9/2021 12:33 PM] jsnowfreedman `build-essentials` just make sure to do a package update first [9/9/2021 12:33 PM] slinkygn YES. Thank you. [9/9/2021 12:35 PM] slinkygn `build-essential`. Thank you, you're my hero! [1/3/2022 12:19 PM] thelostone20 Hey I’m new to the computer committee at Dallas makerspace is there anybody around that’s interested in working with me and showing me the ropes [1/14/2022 12:49 AM] denzuko Sure [1/14/2022 12:49 AM] denzuko Og committee chair here [1/14/2022 12:50 AM] denzuko DMs are open :) [1/27/2022 1:51 AM] thelostone20 Ok thanks so what do you guys work on [2/6/2022 1:48 AM] dinkbatt currently I'm working on a furby alexa. part animatronic part arduino all in C++ [2/6/2022 1:50 AM] thelostone20 Oh ok that’s nice what are you doing with it once you’ve built it [2/6/2022 2:05 AM] dinkbatt it's set up with a photo eye sensor. tuned to the specific shade of blue that the alexa uses on it's led ring when it's talking. it will animate the furby when alexa is talking [2/6/2022 2:06 AM] dinkbatt the trick of it is getting the animatronics to work. it's been slow going since it's my first project [2/6/2022 2:06 AM] dinkbatt the software is written already, posted up on my github [2/6/2022 3:20 PM] dinkbatt what kind of stuff are you working on TerryEB? and/or what is your area of interest? [2/7/2022 4:30 AM] thelostone20 Sorry about the wait but I haven’t gotten started on anything yet I do have a lot of plans for creating some things in future but am kinda having a rough time getting started as for my interests regarding technology I’m interested in learning coding, machine learning, programming, animation, artistic technology stuff like that [2/7/2022 4:45 AM] thelostone20 And do you like program your animatronic projects that your currently working on? [2/7/2022 7:52 PM] jdozer6 I have hypothetical question. [2/7/2022 7:53 PM] jdozer6 If i have 6 of the same USB device and I gave all devices access to a pool of data. Is there a way to make them all work in one piece of software? If it's software side, I can fix that, but if it's not possible because of hardware I will take the L. [2/9/2022 3:46 PM] dinkbatt Hmm, i think I would need more details on what you're working on. Six usb devices can totally be plugged into the same computer. What pool of data? What are the USB "devices" trying to do with the pool of data? What format is the data in? [2/9/2022 3:59 PM] dinkbatt getting the programming portion of the animatronics to work is easy peasy. its just a function call to the servo and specify how many degrees of rotation etc. the HARD part is building the joints and arms and such. that part requires back and forth troubleshooting in manufacturing plastic parts etc. I plan on doing it quick and dirty with just a jigsaw and type5 plastic pieces that I cut. doing something like 3d printing would take WAY too long unfortunately. [2/9/2022 4:01 PM] thelostone20 Oh ok is there any other projects that your working on [2/16/2022 4:25 PM] doug.emes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tas0O586t80 {Embed} Kaslai https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tas0O586t80 Program in C Someone in Discord linked to this tweet and I figured I'd take a stab at singing it in my totally not awful fake accent: https://twitter.com/bhilburn/status/971019559095427075/photo/1 Download: WAV: https://kaslai.com/files/program_in_c.wav MP3: https://kaslai.com/files/program_in_c.mp3 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/c6WWSXHRBk2mH3fMO_lgno8BB8hrAuGSsx6nf-oAs-M/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/tas0O586t80/maxresdefault.jpg {Reactions} 🤣 [3/7/2022 7:03 AM] denzuko @jdozer need more context. What class of USB devices? HIDs Shouldn't matter, USB storage do based on firmware of the device. [3/7/2022 7:48 AM] jdozer6 We got it figured out! I appreciate it though! Our dev apparently has an extensive hardware background I was unaware of 🤣 [4/20/2022 6:19 PM] aceat64 https://twitter.com/1st1/status/1516859294896906241 {Embed} Yury Selivanov (@1st1) https://twitter.com/1st1/status/1516859294896906241 WOW. Bloomberg finally opensourced memray—a new versatile memory profile for Python. Can't way to use it. Thread 👇 Likes 4311 Retweets 927 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/3DRLbGSwO4R4sB79GsaNkKuYUHbcU-sDUj5maiIYqVM/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/FQz1nTZUYAENhyy.jpg Twitter {Reactions} hacktheplanet [4/20/2022 6:19 PM] aceat64 this is super neat [4/21/2022 1:22 PM] hon1nbo I was looking at this. I'm so familiar with C and only dabble in python as needed, but when I've made some python items it would really have come in handy [4/25/2022 10:50 AM] aceat64 I can't believe it's 2022, we have Windows 11, and every filesystem dialog box hangs badly if there's a disconnected SMB mount [4/25/2022 10:51 AM] aceat64 why is this _still_ an issue lol [5/30/2022 9:52 PM] denzuko Microsoft reports 1.3 million programmers across thousands of workgroups worked on Windows. Compare that to 15.6k devs on Linux with one benevolent dictaror. So.. Mythical man month rules? [7/12/2022 8:28 PM] jediclick @Denzuko.sdf.org I'm starting to play around with Blockchain dev again. Do you know anyone who has some experience? I'm looking at moralis for a start since I'll want my script to take an action when something happens on chain. Surely one of our members is an expert. [7/16/2022 6:56 PM] denzuko Worked with chain link last year and in talks with pinata this year as clients. Yeah think I know a guy who knows a thing or two. Got any questions? [11/20/2022 12:20 AM] denzuko Got a challenge for you guys. What's a good low power machines to use for a virtual machine farm (xcp-ng for plan9, k9s, and Windows 10 gaming instances) that is not rpi and can run off a 10amp 12gauge wiring without tripping breakers all the time or being more costly than aws at 18 cents a kwh??? Intel nuc, laptops, or something else? ============================================================== Exported 3,579 message(s) ==============================================================