DallasMakerspace - logistics

Dont get the cheap toilet paper. My 50. A month should get 2 ply. Not asking for 3 ply but my butt deserves 2ply.

we actually invested in one of these: http://s3cf.recapguide.com/img/tv/49/7x10/The-Office-US-Season-7-Episode-10-49-876e.jpg

12:50 PM

so we can turn 2 ply into 1 ply

12:50 PM

50% cost savings

Dont give any ideas....

or the 3" wide football stadium bathroom tp that just turns into rope when you pull it out

Do not despair. This is what Merissa posted as the new brand. https://m.uline.com/h5/r/www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-11666/Toilet-Paper-and-Dispensers/Charmin-Bath-Tissue No doubt you share my sense of relief.

Does Logistics still use the idea of way points? I believe set up back when Allen was chair. for example he stocked pencils but they lived in Woodshop? And at one point he bought calipers that lived in 3d Fab? But all of these things were for all members to use in any committee. they just needed to be brought back to their home at the end of the day. Just curious if that was still the case.

1:16 PM

If so I'd like to get a list so I can put it in the member handbook and possibly get a map for the space.

From Brandon - The idea behind the logistics shelf is to have a single stocking point for logistics items. Some stuff will go directly to the tool wall/tool cabinets in workshop, but he hasnt been stocking things in other committee areas

5:22 PM

Still figuring things out, can re-evaluate if needed for certain things

Got it. Thanks.

You should tell Brandon that discord is awesome and he should join

5:37 PM

Mell I think the key part of Allan's plan was "overstocking so the people who were taking supplies home wouldn't need to steal them after a while"

I think there are items that are used across all Committees (general tools) and those should be purchased by logistics but that's just me. calipers, blue tape, screw drivers, Allen wrenches, exactly knives, box cutters, etc...

5:41 PM

*Exacto knives

5:41 PM

I know Brandon has a thread with suggestions but it was only for Uline items. Uline doesn't carry pencils.

Lets make a list and post it on the talk thread

5:43 PM

We could make one that's just from the Amazon basics selection

Ya, I trust Brandon. I'm good with whatever. I just really hate seeing all the "shame members for this and that" when our policies are always changing. had to talk someone down the other day when someone took the 3d Fab Calipers and brought them back even. He thought it was horrible for people to take them out of the room. If that's the case that's fine but I still thought it was fine. (I know we always want them to end up back in 3d Fab.)

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The issue with that is it used to be ok to borrow tools but if the chance is 50/50 the tool isn't going to return to the room due to forgetfulness, we run out of the tool pretty quick

Yeah that's really tough. I get it.

the $15 calipers Alex bought we locked half of them up so they only trickle away so fast

6:08 PM

release a few in the wild not the whole herd

Do they have to go through a lottery system to see which ones get sacrificed?

the calipers with missing batteries and battery covers are going in the tar pit

Is there another design by chance? One that doesn't have a shitty battery cover?

I think that's what the new ones were

I think there's a digital set in CA. I know there are calipers, but I kind of remember the digital part.

Yeah i believe David returned CA's missing calipers this morning. It was so new that it had a spare battery in the case

I'd like to switch it out for a manual dial type though

you guys and your manual dials

8:22 PM

its like saying digital watches are off by .2 seconds and they ruin your day

Time for a bigger dumpster or more pick up days? Trash seems to be a problem. Growing pains, I suppose.

10:33 AM

Also, anyone know if sawdust can be reused or recycled?

It's the biggest dumpster available with out going to the long ones. Those are more expensive because they can't be picked up by a truck.

Re reusing sawdust... Here's a post to remind about considerations... https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/cnc-users-lets-not-get-lazy/6672/42?u=lisaselk

CNC Users - Let's Not Get Lazy

Along with the MDF that Rodney mentioned it may also have plastic. People cut plastic on the table saw and it it all ends up in the same bin. I would suggest asking for shavings from the people working on the lathes. They are usually working with hardwoods.

@Alex Rhodes what about two dumpsters?

Personally, I'd rather us get recycling added.

11:18 AM

That should help off load some from the dumpster.

What about penalties if restricted items end up in the recycle container?

11:20 AM

*when

Beth takes care of the recycling so that's not taking up space in the dumpster.

It'd be great if we could pull it off without penalties...

Not sure if you're saying she needs to do it more often.

No... that's not what I was talking about at all...

No that was meant for Alex.

11:22 AM

Sorry.

Oh lol

11:22 AM

Sorry

How many dumpster pick ups a week are we getting? Time to go up like @clk said?

We get there a week. Issue is when we miss one.

I know we've had discussions about a large recycle container out back to supplement our waste disposal options ~ especially since so much cardboard and wood gets dumped (many boxes don't get broke down, so that kind of stuff fills the dumpster up really quick!)

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Monday after a busy weekend seems to be a thing. Maybe a policy of holding sawdust until Wednesday?

It would be helpful if Logistics would document what to do in cases when the dumpster gets full... Holding off waste until Wednesday could be a good idea most of the time, but there will always be exceptions and we need rules on where to hold stuff until the dumpster is available again

http://www.wastecare.com/Products-Services/Compactors/Trash_Compactors/Compactors_Commercial_Mobile/Compactors_Commercial_Main.htm

Be prepared for surprise Inspections by the Health Department or other Regulatory Departments

(edited)

12:09 PM

Haha

So is the new logistics chair on discord?

Dunno

12:12 AM

Dan Gallagher

I am now...

Wait. There's a new logistics chair?

Apparently so, although the board has failed to notify the acting chair. Funny how these complaints stemming from communication failures have turned out.

^ exactly. We did the hand off and then went to celebrate the completion of our terms by going out to eat. Returned at 10pm and there were many surprises. Personally I was stunned.

Hopefully the minutes get posted soon.

@missydee1206 Said not to hold your breath. She's in the middle of a move. Someone want to post a synopsis?

So the minutes is where someone is supposed to learn they're no longer a chair or procurement officer? Really?

@@clk I also said I would be happy to answer immediate questions in the meantime.

Cool! So what happened last night?

9:15 AM

Who is President and Sec'y. What happened re: Walter. Did they get to Havens complaint.

@Alex Rhodes you know Logistics is a constant task and reading the meeting minutes when they become available is not adequate notification. I advised Brandon not to make any further purchases myself after another member facebook messaged me the news. 1000 pencils will be Brandon's last purchase for the space.

President is kris Secretary is robert, but someone else will be taking minutes. Probably me if I'm available. Whatever the complaint regardig mark havens was was withdrawn. The board did not confirm Brandon as logistics chair or procurement officer.

Thank you Missy!

Thanks Devin.

Errrr, ah Devin

@dpgalla added you to the @logistics chair role. You can now post in the committee chair chat as well

Thank you

Thanks for the summary @missydee1206

9:29 AM

Ok, that funky all the numbers thing that happens when you tag someone is confusing me a bit, but I'm getting the hang of it. Just press enter and it all goes away.

That's like a user id. If you @me you will see my actual servername pop up with my user ID # as well as my nickname and #

Yes. That's what I finally figured out.

@dpgalla I'm interested to hear your plans for logistics. Will you be using TALK for communication or just the spacE?

@merissa i asked if someone had talked to Brandon last night. @Robert said he called him.

I'm interested as well @dpgalla I wasn't at the meeting so I didn't get to hear anything about your nomination

I'm also interested since Dan had the opportunity to step up as chair for the committee to consider at the last special meeting that was called and he failed to do it then.

10:49 AM

Thanks @mell I don't think Brandon got the call. He found out when I told him.

100% an email should have been sent anyway. Not sure what happened. Sorry Brandon had to find out that way.

Yeah no matter the terms, it's pretty awful that the board would treat a member with that little regard when it was known Brandon could not be at the meeting

I am working on putting together an assessment. I would appreciate as much help as possible in identifying and prioritizing immediate and future needs. I would like to have a meeting with Brandon to share his ideas and reasoning for some of tasks he was implementing. I do intend making logistics a community centric committee where ideas are welcome and increase volunteerism. I know there are many upset members about this change. I hope we can ultimately work together and make this an awesome place for all to enjoy and participate.

Good luck to you Dan. Brandon posted lots of ideas on Talk. I suggest you start there since he put considerable thought and effort into everything he's done for logistics over the years. And getting people to volunteer their time is going to be a big job, but it sounds like you have your own ideas about how to solicit help so I hope that works out.

Thank you...

I just received the portion of the minutes about Brandon and will be contacting him. You are correct that the board should have let him know right away. I will take ownership of that mistake and apologize to him for not being timely in notifying him.

Will the minutes from the meetings that are rumored to have occurred prior to official meeting also be posted?

In less than 24 hours three new members and were added to the board of directors. The door was wide open as it always will be unless there are issues about litigation or business transactions such as The lease. This was not a board meeting this was a question and answer session to help the transition.

Where how to handle items on the board meeting agenda was decided upon?

5:21 PM

Will time of these sessions be published in the future?

5:24 PM

And again, official board meeting have minutes available for those that couldn't attend. If decisions are going to be made outside those times minutes should be kept with a list of who was in attendance to aid in transparancy

You expect members, who are not yet installed as BoD members, to keep notes on their casual chats? Seems a little extreme. I walked in and out of the room they were in several times, sat down for a bit and congratulated them, others were doing much the same. They were feeling out the other new BoD members for attitudes and directions... and often not agreeing with each other. It was fascinating to watch, but a conspiracy it wasn't.

I'm asking Kris if how to handle items on the board meeting agenda were decided upon outside the official board meeting, but thanks for your insight Stan

Asked and answered. For my part, I'm sorry it happened, but did what I saw as my duty, and have no apology to offer. But I hated having to do it, wished we hadn't been forced to deal with it. It's done, and won't be revisited this year. I do respect your instinct to defend your partner. Brandon is hardly the only person at the Space that suffers from project blindness. It doesn't make him a bad person.

5:43 PM

Its also time to stop beating on him and rehashing things.

Was my question answered?

5:45 PM

@Cat_Skat @kriskat30

Yes maam, it was. Stan is correct in all details.

Thanks, in the future I'd appreciate an answer from a board member when I'm asking a question of the board

The meeting Stan described is what I thought I was showing up for but only accounted for about 15% of that actual conversation. When I got there I found out the new board members had a meeting the night before and essentially told me, this is the way it is. We were voted in for this.

6:08 PM

I'm sure once the meeting minutes come out you can see how people voted and judge for yourself.

6:09 PM

Casual chats are one thing but what happened yesterday was unlike any of the other boards.

Please be careful everyone. Let it rest for a few days before hashing it out if you need to hash it out.

I would agree with that never in my 5 years have I ever seen a board plan and execute without doing research and ultimately pre decide the outcome of a board meeting. What I saw was an effort to railroad without even so much as a plan to deal with the fall out. I would have expected before you kill a committee elect position you at a minimum attend a logistics meeting.

Thanks for the input Alex and Robert. Since you were the only board members who attended the recent logistics meeting, I would have hoped your input would have been considered.

Just to clarify Brandon wasn't the main focal point of the pre meeting but he was brought up.

Two things-I believe it was Allen who went ballistic about transparency in dealings last year regarding unofficial board meetings on hangouts and Walter has also expressed concerns in the past. I don't believe it's realistic to expect Board members not to discuss things amongst themselves to some degree, but if it was truly presented as three members had already decided for the whole Board and this is how it's going, that's not really starting a great working relationship with the two left out. Moving forward, I hope all five Board members will be included in all illicit discussions.

6:41 PM

Regardless of what you seem to think now, you're all going to need one another.

Of the casual chat of the three people that were NOT YET BOARD MEMBERS, that I witnessed perhaps 30-45 minutes of, I doubt Brandon was talked about more than 3 or 4 minutes.

I have no idea what happened. I wasn't there. Just presenting some history and a suggestion. Illicit was tongue in cheek.

I've served on several boards over the years. It is very common for there to be a transition meeting for things to move smoothly to the next board. No one stepped forward from the previous board to make that happen. If Alex and Robert wanted things to go smoothly and to be helpful then they should have put together a time for us to transition and not had a meeting scheduled less than 24 hours after the board elections. I had to ask for a time for questions and answers since I had not heard from them. This should be something we learn from as we move forward.

Guys this isn't helping you out. You need to work as a team. There are going to be enough people waiting to cause issues for you without it happening between old and new board members.

7:38 PM

I believe very strongly in at least two new members of the board from past dealings. I'm hoping you guys will figure stuff out and team it up.

That's why we are scheduling a leadership time for all of us to bond and get to know each other better and learn some skills that will help us all work together.

I haven't seen the minutes yet. How much is that going to cost you guys?

I am footing the bill because I believe very strongly in this

That's generous of you. Those aren't cheap.

It's important

Keep in mind that DMS runs by its own rules, not those of regularly elected political body. If members want to move to a more stoic approach, so be it, but until then, SRC3 rules the day. And guess what? One of the items on that protocol is to handle problems OUTSIDE of meetings.

8:28 PM

https://dallasmakerspace.org/w/index.php?oldid=16344

Index.php?oldid=16344

8:28 PM

I know it's hard, but protocols like SRC3 and do-ocracy are still the core of DMS until someone changes them.

"Most everything should be decided on the wiki, over mailing lists and any other communication method that reaches all members."

8:57 PM

We're way off topic for this chat though

It's somewhat relevant as it's dealing with a logistics decision. But I get your point.

I suggest #general_chatter

But back to that point - there were hundreds of entries on TALK prior to the logistics change that met the spirit of that requirement.

9:24 PM

The wiki is much unloved. Poor wiki...

!volunteer

Role added

Logistics meeting 3pm purple don't forget

@LukeStrickland you might want to post a reminder on TALK as well...

Done

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I've moved the "3 Month" supply of toilet paper and folding paper towels into the Unisex bathroom shelf. This gets the paper goods down to the level where our cleaning lady can reach them easily. I think perhaps the 3 month number is a vast underestimation of how full of shit our membership is.

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Challenge accepted

@StanSimmons Thank you....

I am looking for a good time to hold another meeting of the Members Exchange comite I ned to knwo when and what time would be good for most of us

I'm out of town until the afternoon of the 6th

12:28 AM

Dan, fix your avatar... you have the Mickey Mouse pants (default) one

hahahahaha, would y all believe that this is the first time I have ever used a picture of me as my avatar?

did the camera survive? (hee hee hee)

You can use the @ symbol and people's names to send them a notification, / should bring up a pop up with a few commands, and !about and !help to talk with the DMS bot that we are working to add features to

That one was taken at some art festival in the TX both, I hate having my picture taken

TXU booth

The printer for the replacement Storage Kiosk has arrived.

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Nice

That is great news,

Hey dogalla I have been trying to email you and it's bouncing back

what email are you using to reach me?

LOGISTICS COMMITTEE MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT 14 MAY 2017 AT 2:00 PM IN THE PURPLE ROOM Let's start taking care of business!!! All hands on deck!!! Logistics Organization Meeting continued. Vote on SRC3 Committee Meeting format Election of Vice-chairs Review of Team Responsibilities Replenishment Area Team Community Area Team Storage Area Team Status update of new Storage system Review of Current Logistical Task List Member Exchange Committee report in preparation for upcoming Board Meeting. Any other business... Hope to see everyone there!!! (edited)

You do realize thats mothers day right?

uh oh... Thanks for pointing that out... I just checked the room availability for Saturday and everything is booked up solid. If there is anyone who had intended to come to the next Logistics Committee Meeting and can not attend due to Mother's Day obligations please reply. We will be voting on some important agenda items and I would like to make sure everyone has a chance to vote.

@dpgalla don't forget to post something about this on TALK if you want to maximize the chances of it being seen.

I did! Thanks! I will get all this figured out one day... Hehehe

2:00 PM

I think it's great that you have jumped in with both feet, organizing teams, and communicating really well with all! Thanks!

I will be at the space Thurs afternoon for and I need input on the freegie chelf committee proposa, and I can use a proof reader

Two shipments for @Adam are on the way. One Saturday and one 17-24th (small box) please keep an eye out.

Where do they need to be put?

they are put away already

New Committee Proposal - Member Exchange Committee

10:35 PM

See the wiki and Talk for details...

(post a link) youll get a shiny badge on talk if enough people click it

"short maker dies in mountain of toilet paper"

1:19 PM

Best headline

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"No longer underestimating how full of it our membership is..."

1:23 PM

Costco $233.85 12 cases Kirkland TP, 3 cases paper towels... We were down to one and a partial case of ULine (Charmin) TP and out of paper towel rolls. (edited)

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that is a lot of toilet clogging goodness. Please don't use it up in a week

What's the deal with the storage system and slots opening up? I've been trying to get one for a while now but nothing expires anymore

@logistics chair

There were quite a few opened up first part of May.

8:25 PM

There will be more coming up around Jun 10; check with @raymond .

anyone have a sams club account?

@Axeonos afaik Stan does

8:25 PM

Or maybe thats the other big box store

I have Costco

I have the space Sam's club if it's still valid.

I have a Costco membership

If anyone has some extra time, I need to figure out what the board allocated the extra roboreels for so I can get them installed. I remember seeing it in the minutes but I have a busy day

There are 4 Electric and 3 Air (or vice versa) RoboReels locked up in the Electrical Room. I will be on site Sunday and can show you were they need to be installed and the tool kit for installing the air hose assemblies. I think the electrical ones just plug into a regular electrical outlet..

Oh ok. Cool I didn't know if we knew where we needed them or not. I can do Sunday morning for a couple of hours, I'll have more time during the work week.

8:32 AM

@dpgalla I also replaced one of the light fixtures with LEDs in the purple classroom, it was very easy but I say we do two person teams when we do the shop

Thanks... I am planning on being at the Off-Siting on Sunday at noon. I will get there a little early to visit with you. Again, THANK YOU!!! Also ... there is a Logistics Committee Meeting on Tuesday evening. If you could attend you and explain what is involved in the LED process you should be able to recruit some folks for the LED project as well as the RoboReel project.

I'll be there Tuesday evening

So I had this thought a little late but I'm going to see if Dani can get a wholesaler discount on chairs (edited)

7:03 PM

Shes pretty sure she can get 50%off from knoll

7:08 PM

The question is if her boss will buy them and sell them to us at no markup

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Knoll makes good stuff.

she found one similar to the caper

2:33 AM

280 retail

2:33 AM

might not be as comfortable

What's the warranty on it @pearce

Dunno I didn't look them up

That's pretty important

1:13 PM

the capers are not worth it without it

Caper chairs have been ordered and will be here the week of the 10th. Don't have an exact date yet.

7:16 PM

Idea about auctioning off bids to select chairs? Maybe do it the 13th member meeting?

Scratch that, we get the exact arrival date the week of the 10th. They will take 4-6 weeks to get here.

I have a suggestion for people that aren't a fan of these chairs, make a slip cover with padding.

Anyone know the logistics email?

@pearce logistics@dallasmakerspace.org

2:22 PM

anything I can help with?

Does it get checked though?

Not sure, never heard Dan talk about it

I can't make the storage meeting. Need to extend my slot

Anyone who can proxy for you?

Can you?

What day is it?

I was going to email

2:23 PM

I thought it was today, since the cards say it expires on July 2nd

2:24 PM

In theory they get off sited next week

let me text dan

2:30 PM

@dpgalla do we have a storage meeting today

Ay that's my line (edited)

I lost his number

2:33 PM

I messaged raymond too he's in "charge" of project storage

i didnt schedule one for today. I had left that up to Raymond to do since I am out of pocket this weekend

cc @pearce

Blaaaargh

3:14 PM

That's cool though

3:15 PM

I'll move my stuff for now

https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/2974 Wed Jul 5 7pm — 8pm

Huh

4:52 PM

That means all the storage cards will be expired by 3 days

So vacuum cleaner

9:43 PM

the dyson doesn't work

It doesnt suck.

Reminds me to request a good replacement regular vacuum cleaner from logistics. The one we have is on its last legs. As for the dyson, did you clean it out thoroughly? It's a piece of &$$)

@kriskat30 this is the vacuum I was telling you I have. Shark Rocket Ultra-Light Upright (HV302) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EUKHACW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_hG9wzbWJ2YAW1 It's pretty great. Light weight, vacuums up pet hair really well, and is self-propelled so you don't have to push it as awkwardly.

I'm wondering if it's heavy duty enough for every single day at the space

We waited and got it on sale at Nebraska furniture. I can bring it up today to demo it since my OCD is driving me up the wall about dirt. I don't recommend vaccuming up plastic pieces, metal, or big pieces of anything with any vacuum. It seems like common sense, but not everyone understands vacuums aren't magic

1:06 PM

My brother broke his vacuum by sucking up cat litter with it

1:07 PM

Well you can give it a go before you decide. Nebraska also has a ton for you to demo up there.

I won't put your vacuum to test at the space. I appreciate the offer though.

I am a part time maid on the side and cleaned the worst pet hair/dirt/dust house I have seen in my entire life. My vacuum has seen worse then the space, lol

If you can tell me you use it every single day in a 10k square ft area and it still works perfectly well then I will think about it. Thank you very much for the offer Kat

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Maybe look into something from a janitor supply place then? since those would be made for large surface areas daily. I think there is one off harry Hines not far from the space that is open to the public

Great idea.

FYI, you probably already know this, but ~2 years ago, when the Dyson was purchased against what appeared to me to be better advise, this was kicked around quit a bit. Some of those opinions might still be valid, or worthy of investigation: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/dear-makerspace/2824 I, for one, stand by my recommendation of spending some $$ and getting a commercial unit, e.g. http://www.janitors-world.com/sucopro10.html and "janitor's world" as recommended by Nick Sainz https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/dear-makerspace/2824/9?u=jast is still a going concern, and local (probably the one alluded to by KatDell)...

Dear makerspace

I ended the turmoil and pain of a poor delapitated soul. Dear makerspace - you need a new vacuum because I got mad and threw it away. I realize my rage induced actions have consequences and if needed I will buy one. But I'm tired of pushing around a doll toy and pretending it does anything. I stand by my decision and I accept the consequences that might come because of it. [image] Nicole

Dear makerspace

There is a janitor supply shop called janitor world, They sell some pretty cost effective commercial vacuum cleaner.

Thank you Andrew!

Yes janitor world is the local place I was referring to!

there was a vaccum on the free shelf, it works and is good for getting pets smell off carpets. can be good as a backup vacuum

Cool... There is some logistic storage on the shelf near Vector is you need a place to store it.

i put it in the janitor closet

@dpgalla Can I attend https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/3045 ?

Yes... btw... Richard Box (Community Area Vice-chair) has left DMS... would you be interested in the position?

I'm interested.

11:34 AM

But if Luke wants it I won't contest it.

What does a Community Area vice chair do? I'm interested in maintaining the members work areas and maintaining the building

11:39 AM

I'm also not against Alex having the role lol

11:39 AM

Whatever gets stuff done!

Agreed. Getting things done is key.

It'd be helpful if the committee wiki was updated with info on vice chair roles so people know what's what

Indeed... The whole Logistics wiki page needs a complete re-work.

Just got confirmation email on the chairs. They will be here 8/24.

woo

That's 8 weeks from order not 4-6 like they originally said.

9:57 AM

Whatever. Chairs are on their way.

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1:21 PM

Tried to fit all the tools on the shelf

Snazzy

Damn that's pretty.

We need to get replacement dremel sets. I'm trying to figure out how we can keep all the parts together instead of all the tiny pieces wandering around. Does anyone have any ideas or do we just buy enough that its not an issue?

4:37 PM

Wonder how the performance of wireless dremels are.

My money is on them being dead when it comes to me needing them.

I can agree with that

The ryobis work because of the standard battery across multiple devices and charging station.

We also can't forget to install safety chains on the vertical storage

You rock @LukeStrickland

5:25 PM

I'm looking into boxed sets right now for the dremels.

Printer room Computer said Samsung printer in hallway is getting low on ink.

@Deleted User That's @infrastructure chair

I'm monitoring the toner level and will replace it when empty. It still has 6% according to the printer

I'm at home depot right now picking up some 4x4s and finish for two new work table surfaces

Alright thanks @LukeStrickland

Don't know why I said 4x4s lol meant plywood

Did Offsiting happen?

10:12 PM

Also, Can I make a request for Allen Wrenches here or do you want me to make the request another way?

Offsiting happened

8:09 AM

I'll check out our allen wrenches today and get with steve to order some

So my question is, dont the 7 day notices go out the first Saturday/sunday of the month? If thats the case then the 7 day notices should have gone out on 5th/6th. Off siteing should occur this coming weekend. I recently bought a sheet of foam for cutting inserts forthe Multicam drawers and went up on Monday to cut them, but foam was gone.

12:17 AM

Do you know if a large foam sheet was off sited?

Who knows. The dates are all fucked up.

12:23 AM

We don't even have new cards for the storage slots

Is anyone actively working on the electronic ticketing system?

I thought Brandon open sourced it? We just needed the hardware

That was brought up at the last logistics meeting, Merissa offered to voluntell Brandon to help but was denied stating that it was being worked on.

Several purple foam sheets were off sited.

I went last night to pick up some of my lumber, there was a full sheet of foam leaning on the wall.

@Alex Rhodes We definitely off sited 3 foam boards

8:47 AM

Currently Bill is working on the electronic ticketing system (edited)

I only had one. It was the pink house insulation stuff.

@pearce Sorry I notified Raymond about that, they should be here last night or today

8:48 AM

Yeah it was pink, I think someone else had some

Ok.

Two of the air robot reels have blown their fitting this week

7:27 PM

I'm not sure why. I refitted them according to the instructions

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What is the output pressure on the other side of the master regulator?

8:41 AM

if it's over 120, that's likely why

@mr.clark6147 it's either 120 or 150, can't remember, either way why would that be a problem?

8:46 AM

It's rated for 300

the higher the pressure, the more likely those compression fittings will blow out and fail

8:47 AM

particularly in the hostile environment that is our plenum space where it's all run

I wonder if we could retrofit it with a better connection, they're loose anyway

Honest to God, we need to remove the whole thing and start again with bigger hose

8:48 AM

circular loop with 2"

8:48 AM

branches come off at 1"

8:48 AM

and then the little shit that comes down to drops can be 3/4 "

8:49 AM

the combination of the pressure plus the volume is just too much for that 1/2" main loop

8:49 AM

I'm surprised we don't blow more fittings, actually

Plus there's no shutoff valves for anything lol

8:49 AM

So you gotta turn off the whole line

8:50 AM

I only checked the machine shop / automotive connections

yeah, every place that we drop off the main loop needs to be able to be valved off

8:50 AM

it'll be expensive, but worth it

Yeah I'm with you

the good news is that the Pex-al-pex stuff we used is really, really tolerant of failure

8:51 AM

I'm SO GLAD we're not hard piped

Would you be against hard piped?

8:51 AM

Stan was talking about it

8:51 AM

If we did it right

well, he's the issue with hard piping:

8:51 AM

copper is REALLY expensive, but best.

8:52 AM

Iron is second best, but then we have to put filters at each and every drop, and clean them regularly (because of the humidity in the air line, it'll scale/rust the interior of the pipe, and we don't want that crap in our equipment)

8:53 AM

PVC is just too dangerous, because it has weak spots, and when the weak spot fails, it turns that section of pipe into a grenade

8:53 AM

If we were going to be in this location forever, I'd advocate for putting in copper lines and doing it right

8:53 AM

but it's only a 2 year lease, so I'd say let's do the pex-al-pex again, just in the right size this time

Do you think we can easily do a phase over process? Run some 2in line now with a downsize fitting for the existing connection. Do one area of the shop at a time?

Ummmm. Maybe?

8:55 AM

I'd advocate doing an overnight maintenance personally.

8:56 AM

many hands make light work

8:56 AM

6 people could have it done in a matter of hours

8:56 AM

start at 10, finish at 2, something like that

8:56 AM

on a Friday or Saturday night

ok thanks for your thoughts

OR, honest to God, do it first thing in the morning

8:57 AM

like, start at 0600, finish at 1000

8:57 AM

on a Saturday

8:57 AM

that's when I come in to do my woodworking

8:57 AM

because the space is DEAD

8:57 AM

it's great

8:57 AM

also, that'd be the point in time when the plenum is the coolest

I'll 2nd the 6-10 shift. I might even make that. I'm not much of a vampire, myself.

4:14 PM

Any ballparks for the overhaul? $1,000? $10,000?

I added some information to the wiki for Logistics, https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Logistics_Committee

Logistics Committee

let me know if I did anything dumb

That's awesome @LukeStrickland

Logistics Monthly Committee Meeting: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/3487

Wooooo! Fancy new chairs!

Nice! I've already used the new chairs a lot at other places

1:25 AM

they're pretty nice, but the nuts tend to loosen up and fall out over time (edited)

1:26 AM

It'd be handy to reinforce them with lock-tite or to just keep an alan wrench nearby

What are we doing with the old chairs?

We have a comittee meeting on Tuesday at 7PM, you're welcome to come. Not sure what we're doing with them yet

If they are put up sale for a couple of days, there are some I'd pay $20 for.

Ditto

Late night paint crew needed this weekend. Any !volunteer (s)? (edited)

for?

The hallway i think, cc @kriskat30

wut

11:45 AM

again?

Stuff happens. Logistics is putting a permanent French cleat system so no more holes in walls. (edited)

Oh yeah I gave up on doing touch ups while that wall was brown

How late is "late night"?

Same color? The color for the front room is something like stardust. I can try and find it if you plan on keeping it all the same color.

7 pm to 11 ish. And if the night makers want to stay later I'll buy pizza

5:14 PM

Thank you Alex,logistics already took care of the paint. I volunteered to get painters.

I can volunteer for that if you're still looking for people.

Awesome!

Were the painting volunteers needed tonight or Saturday or..?

cc @kriskat30

Both days. We will start tonight at 7 and same tomorrow night!

1:08 PM

Pick which works best for you. And thank you!

I offsited old Logistics materials. Old / Broken Tools, Old Tool Shelf Hangers, Old Ryobi Charges (still good if we need them) and the Broken? air hose reel.

9:02 AM

@logistics chair I'm trying round up every one for the requirements gathering on mm/calendar revamp and we're needing your input. when is a good time on your schedule for a quick 45min meeting?

@Denzuko.sdf.org you let me know a time and I'll make it work

@LukeStrickland you are now @logistics chair and can post in #committee_chairs to talk with them, sorry this took longer than i said, i forgot

NP thanks

The auto leveler and dock door have been blocked for a while. Is that stuff trash? Need to go to storage? (edited)

7:52 AM

I'm thinking about the laser delivery in the next couple of weeks. Let me know if I can help dissolve the pile.

I'll throw away the tiles and insulation today

9:17 AM

but we gotta find someone to take the bulbs

7:33 PM

Should be good to go @lukeiamyourfather

@LukeStrickland

1019

Meeting tonight at 6? I'm going to try to make it but may be a little late. Hard to get there by 6 with traffic coming from fort worth

its cool if you're late

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I may be a little late as well. Not sure yet how the afternoon will go.

Wreck on 121/114, definitely going to be late

Omg guys, havent moved a mile in the last 20 mins. I might not even make it by 7

Still currently talking about front room.

Found this on a FB page for another makerspace.

i mean... we can post pictures of our tool wall after a cleanup day too

yeah, but in the logistics meeting we discussed how to arrange that wall .

ah

right now its just got a few things on it

Thanks @Alex Rhodes I think that picture is accurate to what I want

@@LukeStrickland sent you email about towing. Let me know if you have questions.

I noticed there are cars left by those in Houston - hope you're back within 48 hours.

Is there a hold up on installing more air roboreels? We'd still like one in laser, and if it's just a manpower issue I can try to get a volunteer to install it in our area as we're installing new lasers

BTW @David Kessinger no one who went to lemons left their car. The only people who carpooled was chuck and Brett and we picked them up

Other than the potential loss of dollies and carts.... What would be the issue with having the freebie shelf take the place of the pallet rack by the 2nd garage door?

12:25 PM

That shelf was only there to give RC a storage area

Location and ease of access is what I have heard. Logistics started giving committees shelves again. I think if any shelves were to move over there it should be then. It's getting crowded by science/pallet storage.

Im just thinking the shelf (actually the stuff surrounding the shelf) would be safer if it was isolated off on its own. Dont want stuff wandering off

Gotcha. Like the time the hand truck went off because someone thought it "close to the freebie shelf"

Yep

I think Luke S was talking about putting it where the yellow paint cabinet is now.... I may be mistaken

That's the goal right now, Freebie shelf by the entrance door from the classroom area, with no room for things that don't fit in the shelves.

4:50 PM

Fire cabinet moves.. Somewhere

Near roll up door?

yeah, not sure how it'll fit if we allow those shelves to be used

4:51 PM

I'm not at the space again until this weekend

UTA solution to tool loss

what is that thing?

Metal cable crimped on with a 3d printed Fablab tag

4:29 PM

Its enough to make sure their tools don't get mixed up with someone else's toolbox

ah I see

There's enough space in the loop around the tool to move the cable out of the way but not to pull the cable off

@pearce where is the cable from? I have been using zip ties for the classroom cables

It's just 1/16 steel cable and crimps

Does it require a special crimping tool?

I'd imagine so. It's a cable crimp. It's not a specific type of cable and crimps

I contacted Tile tonight to talk about any solutions they have in mind. I like the idea of being able to track our tools in the space. Well see what comes of it for sure

Does anyone know if we have any more Storage Bins yet? Id like to get one, or should I run to IKEA and get mine? If so, i need the brand and dimensions plz

Stan ordered 10 a few days ago

awesome

Still, if you are near IKEA, it would not be a bad idea to get one and secure a place. When the Space ones come in, you would then have one in the galley, and one for the car.

Trofast or somethingis the name

9:19 AM

they're a standard size

9:19 AM

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/childrens_ikea/20474/

thanks guys

The order from Ikea is due in Monday, 12/11.

Monday is like PayDay!

(edited)

Yep looks like the air line was pulled. All the holes have been replaced in the ceiling too

Okay time to start figuring out how things fit

3:21 PM

Bluebonnet Brewoff cooler storage is max January 27 through March 10

3:22 PM

Donation shelf has to go to yellow fire cabinet

3:22 PM

So I have to figure out where to put the ladders / cabinet...

I'll be up tonight and can help move things.

Awesome

3:26 PM

Going to spitball for a bit

3:27 PM

One of the ideas is moving the shelf near the gantry to offsite for additional storage, if we do that we'll need to cut 4 feet off the top. If that shelf is gone it provides room for the fire cabinet and potentially the ladders.

3:27 PM

Ideally ladder storage would be a hook system with a hole in the ceiling. We had the ladders fall recently and I don't want that happening again

3:28 PM

One of the other solutions is using the storage by the gantry for our "Committee Storage" space, and removing the shelves next to the vacuum former. I'm inclined to believe machine shop would hate this

3:29 PM

I think I like idea 1

What committees have "committee storage"?

3:30 PM

And do they really need it?

3:31 PM

Table space is really tight.

Really it's just a couple, I use a majority of it honestly, infrastructure, motorsports, 3d fab

3:32 PM

the other 1/3 is DPRG (edited)

@StanSimmons This look good for common room? split right down the middle almost ? http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/80301136/

MÖLLEKULLA Countertop - 98x1 1/2

IKEA - MÖLLEKULLA, Countertop, 98x1 1/2 ", , 25-year Limited Warranty. Read about the terms in the Limited Warranty brochure.The countertop has a full plank design that gives it an authentic plank expression with a genuine wood feeling.Every countertop is unique, with varying grain pattern and natural color shifts that are part of the charm of wood.The countertop’s plank expression is enhanced by the design on the edges.Good environmental choice, because the method of using a top layer of solid wood on particleboard is resource-efficient.Countertop with a top layer of solid wood, a hardwearing natural material that can be sanded and surface treated when required.You can cut the countertop to the length you want and cover the edges with the 2 included edging strips.

@LukeStrickland That looks fine for the common room

Awesome thanks

It's not solid like the other tables just FYI.

That wont work then

https://m.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/art/60274964/

3:53 PM

They don't appear to make the solid wood ones thicker than 1 1/8th.

http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20274961/?query=hammarp#/60274964

HAMMARP Countertop - 74x1 1/8

IKEA - HAMMARP, Countertop, 74x1 1/8 ", , 25-year Limited Warranty. Read about the terms in the Limited Warranty brochure.Oak is a very hard wood making it a popular choice for countertops and interiors. Oak ranges from a light brown to a rich reddish-brown in color that darkens with age.Countertop in solid wood, a durable material that brings a warm, natural feeling to the kitchen.Solid wood is a natural material with a special feeling. Normal variations in color, texture and appearance are due in part to the size and age of the tree and give the countertop a personal character.Solid wood is a natural material that is easy to repair, refinish and change whenever you like.

3:53 PM

Sold out though

3:54 PM

We linked the same thing lol

What is it for? You can also check out floor&decor. They sell solid countertops.

3:55 PM

https://www.flooranddecor.com/wood-butcher-block-countertops/oak-builder-grade-butcher-block-countertop-8ft.-100054337.html#q=Solid%2Bcountertops&start=15

3:56 PM

They have other woods besides oak as well.

3:57 PM

https://www.flooranddecor.com/search?q=Solid+countertops

The design station wall were building

Cool.

We dont need something too heavy duty just something that'll look nice

That oak then. You can go poplar but I think that's too soft for this purpose.

Side note, vacuformer needs either more space in the shelving to be rotated 90° or needs a deeper shelf

4:01 PM

Currently the handle sticks out into the walkway making a stab hazard and the power switch is unreachable

I think the end goal is that you can pull it out to have all the room you need? The freebie shelf ruined those plans temporarily

4:01 PM

Where do you think it could go pearce?

Rotate 90 would be perfect

Where do you suggest the printing press would go?

Not sure, but neither of those tools is going to fair well with the amount of dust being thrown on them.

4:03 PM

Chris and I were talking about putting panels on the shelf the vacuformer was in to get it some kind of dust protection

Considerations there are sprinkler coverage and heat dissipation

I wasn't aware the screen printing stuff was supposed to be there when we talked about moving it

4:04 PM

That's why we thought panels instead of cover. At 4 feet from the heaters it should be fine. It was cool enough to touch after the class

I wonder where the dust is coming from

4:08 PM

I'd like to put a couple of the air monitors together

4:08 PM

To correlate with video

4:09 PM

I think router / saw usage in the general shop area

Power sanders in the shop

Alex, I think Floor and Decor will be perfect. 8ft Oak $169

It's builder quality at that price which means knots and such. I don't think we care but just want to make sure you know.

I'll ask Ian or someone to make it look good

2

So latex paint?

1

Bruh

6:05 PM

Acrylic paint.

6:05 PM

There's a bunch in creative arts

I have asked a few folks for a canvas drop cloth for the screen press. I'll just go pick one up. The area in front of it and the vacuum former really isn't a walkway. People can use it as such if they want to save walking a few extra feet, like they do cutting thru woodshop, but then they have to deal with items in the way, like they do when cutting thru woodshop.

The unisex restroom has no more Windex bottles, only refill - which needs to got into spray bottles. I found one bottle after scrounging half the building. Question: is there a secret stash somewhere or do more bottles need to be purchased (and labeled "Refill. Do not discard.")?

Could we get regular cleaner? Spic n Span (Dollar Tree) or Simple Green or something? It would be great to have.

Its becoming hard to source what we need from just a few locations. I'll work on it! Going to home depot today will stock up

Thank you @LukeStrickland

Thank you!

Hey @LukeStrickland , what time is offsiting tomorrow, and could we still use the truck to move the saur?

Yeah, 1pm is the packing

@merissa eta? Were heading to offsite now

Will be by offsite storage at 2:07

btw found two of the ryobi spot lights

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5:35 PM

in the space bus

We need to have a committee meeting

1:24 PM

I forgot

picked up some brackets at home depot for the table

4:59 PM

they didnt make it back to dms

4:59 PM

oops

Project Storage Extension: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/5094

9:02 AM

Logistics Meeting: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/5095

9:02 AM

I'll be sending out the email reminder of the project storage meeting tonight

Thanks @LukeStrickland . That will help many people

@LukeStrickland (referring to your question to Brandon on the laser channel) thank you for installing additional air sensors. Where do you think they are needed?

I'm thinking a couple in the workshop and a couple in the common areas inside the building

Fired Arts for silica?

Fridges are gone so we have more tables again, yay!

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Storage meeting today at 6pm and Saturday at 2pm.

@LukeStrickland @Draco whom do we need to discuss about expanding into the room behind the VCC committee area for the exam room and lab space?

Expanding temporarily? Permanently ?

permanently within the context of dms is still at the same location and to be clear not for use by the museum but solely to fufill the requirements that Pearson Vue has for exam centers

So if we do not expand, I doubt you'd be able to justify the conference room being for VCC, since it's a classroom and our purpose is education. Locking it down to specific classes would be not great

2:37 PM

However, since we're potentially expanding, I recommend filling out the Committee Expansion Form

2:37 PM

That'll get VCC into the hat for the new space planning

correct and it's contextual of expansion

ok, sure, see: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/expansion-templates-due-today-4-16/34716/3?u=lukestrickland

Expansion templates due today 4/16

Dear @Team_3D_Fab @Team_Automotive @Team_Blacksmithing @Team_Creative_Arts @Team_Digital_Media @Team_Electronics @Team_Fired_Arts @Team_Laser @Team_Machine_Shop @Team_Motorsports @Team_Science @Team_VCC @Team_Vector @Team_Woodshop If your commit...

2:39 PM

If you can get us a filled out form today / tomorrow that'd be great, planning is starting very soon (edited)

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smashing

2:40 PM

we're on it

Still waiting on sticker sheets for bins.

Am I ordering them? I dont think i am

Stan ordered

12:19 AM

Truth be told you should seeing as your logistics chair.

i mean i trust my ~~minions~~, i mean trusted advisors

I ain't no yellow overall wearing sperm reject....

Minions should be robotic and make everyone smile

3:11 PM

even the nurse department can bring a smile to all

Hot water in janitorial closet no longer works, didn't smell gas so I suppose the water heater still works. Don't remember if it's even gas

electric

Gas is avail, but not in use

What's the process for a committee to get storage space?

Depends on what it's for

9:28 AM

If it's for "immediately useful tools post expansion", just drop it off at #1001

9:28 AM

If you need it on-site, that's pretty easy depending on size

9:28 AM

offsite #1000 is mostly full

@Alex Rhodes how do i cash in on the warranty these red chairs have?

I'll send you the contact

11:34 AM

Also we don't know if anyone over 300lbs sat in them. Just FYI.

What chairs should people over 300lbs use?

6:50 PM

Should we label the chairs with a warning?

I feel like that's a bit pedantic but common sense seems to a scarce surply at times so maybe??

No that's to answer the question they might have about warranty

9:12 PM

The answer is "I am not aware of anyone over 300lbs using the chair"

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@Axeonos this is Brandon, I'm here

your mic is muted

Would still like to move fire cabinet and other related things this weekend

How do we listen in?

go down to voice

Idea is, Clear dock Remove shelving next to dock Move orange ladders and fire cabinet as is to next to dock

I like the fire cabinet where it is

there are a couple shelves across from science labelled logistics, not sure what is on them

6:05 PM

orange ladders*

I'm fine with the ladders as they are. They would be harder to access by the docks

6:09 PM

I'm hearing most everyone

6:10 PM

With the expansion, logistics will be one of the first to expand.

The voice channel has push to talk as a requirement

6:13 PM

FYI

what was last part?

6:20 PM

something about a future work day?

6:20 PM

I would only be interested in spending time if I could remove shelving next to dock and move fire cabinet to next to dock. I think logistics has enough shelf space already and wouldn't really benefit from more, what materials would logistics be storing?

6:21 PM

no

6:23 PM

Proposal is to increase project storage by moving committee storage in pallet rack across science to dock shelf?

Someone will still have to put them back. These tools are also used through out the space, not just the tables

white and grey are available I think

Can you post a picture please

Take a picture of the mock up for storage Kris is proposing

6:42 PM

Please

6:48 PM

I'm having a hard time hearing

where are tool walls?

6:50 PM

someday in future more info will be provided, yeah

New sink

Yeah there's no generic workshop?

One that can fit a screen to wash out

7:04 PM

"Kennel seal" is a safe barrier

7:05 PM

That is for the wood

does digital media not have a better mic that could be used for this??

7:09 PM

ive been working. you just need to borrow a usb mic when you have the meeting next time. you should hear it from this end

7:10 PM

right, i can hear kris, carieen is kinda audible, male voice was a mumble

oh man

Can we move member displays to another area?

7:12 PM

The entire table

7:12 PM

He's been doing this for months

right he should let other people use it but doesnt

He let's clients share it

and if someone needs a stool he keeps it "in case" (edited)

7:14 PM

he doesnt need to set up all of his statues to take up the whole table

You should only be able to reserve the space used for a project

7:14 PM

Not an office

I would like to complain about him maintaining 6 storage spaces

7:16 PM

these are all "his"

7:16 PM

you cut out kris

Can someone just talk to him?

7:17 PM

I cannot hear. Please fill me in after

we will fill in

Thank you

we should get more stools for the workshop area, but i missed where the generic workshop will go. is it just the hash marked areas?

https://m.samsclub.com/ip/pnuematic-work-stool-15-5x15-5x25-8-30-3/prod17540491?xid=plp_product_1_3

Seville Classics Pneumatic Work Stool - Sam's Club

Buy Seville Classics Pneumatic Work Stool : Garage & Shop Accessories at SamsClub.com

7:22 PM

Sams has a nice line. Same brand as the cabinets

the crosshatch area is work table areas.

I can hear again

mic pics up better in the smaller room. makes sense

Some do need back support

7:32 PM

Last well

my problem with doing a test means its more time without enough stools

7:33 PM

you could just grab a variety and be done with it

7:35 PM

which is why the variety works

7:36 PM

backless stools have the benefit of being able to be pushed under the tables. (provided logistics is keeping people from storing stuff under the tables)

7:37 PM

well

7:37 PM

its happening

7:37 PM

i heard part of that

7:37 PM

like 5 or 6 more?

7:38 PM

it just feels like the general workshop stools get taken by committees

7:38 PM

eventually we will hit a surplus

Vinyl on leg

which isnt bad

But if they wander to other parts of the space, let them stay there.

7:39 PM

Just buy more

logistics is an integral committee, they should be able to buy more stools as needed if the other committees take them

Like the classroom fans in the common room and warehouse

Can't join voice but I'm down to move fire cabinet.

fire cabnet not moving

Dave has talked about used office supplies stores

Womp womp.

alex: sup

we make enough money to not buy everything used

Haha. SUP

especially if the other committees are going to take logistics stuff

7:42 PM

logistics is generic DMS assets, let them have it

We do need more calipers

7:42 PM

Please get more fans

7:42 PM

The tower ones work well

Pencils.

Extension cords

tool replenishment on the tool wall

7:44 PM

did yall cover project storage in the beginning?

yes

how about excessive extensions

Golf pencils are not cheaper than the amazon basics regular pencils

7:46 PM

Johnnie says school supplies are on sale

man am i going to have to do a discord class?

Blue tape, Scotch tape

lol

All the tapes

7:47 PM

Low on cassette tapes

Agree. All the tapes.

7:47 PM

Well not those.

more propaganda signs about cleaning

7:48 PM

that they wont read

We can do signs on the floor

@Axeonos #SUP

@Narkane wrong chat

Evaluate cost of a dumpster like that at 102 vs what we have

7:50 PM

its on a huge wall

Tape measures, Allen wrenches, files, center punches

7:53 PM

I would not mine taking on keeping the tools stocked in the warehouse

wat

Uhhh...

7:53 PM

I use them throughout the space

right

7:54 PM

but the tools need to be able to travel

Lol

gorman gets to prevent the tools from being tied down

Lol

7:55 PM

I can do that

i have bolt cutters

Pearce and I will find the tool tie downs

good scrub soap like the orange stuff

7:56 PM

or the green bucket style we had

How do we not have bolt cutters? I have one in the car too

T handle Allen wrenches.

7:56 PM

Laser locks theirs up now.

right but we need the other soap too and to keep it stocked

Will do

7:58 PM

Hilti tools for all

7:58 PM

Drills for all the classroom tables

7:58 PM

Jacob's enjoyed listening to the call

7:59 PM

Oh, logistics needs to plan for an election again

im out, gotta dnd.

Me

8:04 PM

Cheers

Did we discuss emergency lighting?

I don't think so but I wasn't able to stay the whole time

At least two e lights came in today. Saw @StanSimmons unboxing them

i thought i recognized those stools! thye are in rainbow six

Might need to specify, no video game stools

Does the space have any florescent bulbs? I'd like to get the ca hall fixed and anywhere else. Is there anything I can do to take care of the random pallet of bad bulbs as well?

Any details / plans available on what needs to be done during work day? I'm interested in the work table item

still trying to get my voice control working

Push to talk?

are you able to hear me

no, your icon isn't turning green indicating that you are sending any sound

5:13 PM

now its green but I dont hear anything

brandon whats your number we are going to confrence call you

no thanks

Ppl have votes. Axeonos is serving another 6 months. We also agreed to paint shapes on the tools. Also we got 3 new flat dollies donated. They should be sprayed with LOGISTICS DO NOT STEAL on Saturday. Saturday is the logistics purge. Please come help beautify our space

Paint shapes on the tools

9:04 AM

What does that mean?

shapes on tools? could the rare and expensive one have little unicorns?

Instead of just using colors?

Just label all the things

1:01 AM

When is the next logistics meeting?

1:02 AM

We are out of workspace in the workshop.

Figure out why my tub keeps getting jacked!!

@blameitontexas. What is going on?

My original tub in the lounge area disappeared. I commandeered an empty one and put my name on it.... sent a ton of emails, with no luck. Annnd week when I checked someone else had taken mine again :(:( (edited)

1:07 AM

Well, the tubs are permanent. Yours can be replaced. I pray you did not lose anything of value inside.

Upside of epilepsy! I have absolutely no idea what I had in them lol

1:08 AM

Silly, lol

Permanent seems to be up for interpretation tho. Do I need to chain one to a wall or something?

1:09 AM

(Totally okay w that)

No It's an odd thing. Not sure what's happened, but we will certainly replace the tub and label

Sounds good

1:10 AM

Thx!

yeah it sounds like someone was checking the tubs and pulled yours for not being on the list or something

1:11 AM

the contents may be in one of the storage rooms

Not worry about that as much as why I have lost two tubs now even tho I bought one when I signed up forever ago

We will figure it out. It's been a long time since an audit was done, so I'm not sure that was it

Muh heroes ❤

But I've not heard of any other reports of theft on tub contents. We will make it right

1:18 AM

As for lack of workspace, a couple of regular users could condense their space significantly and still benefit from the workshop. I would like to discuss the parameters on what is fair for all in our shared sandbox.

yeah for real

1:19 AM

and the consistent extensions on people monopolizing storage spaces

I'll be down there Wednesday to go through and make labels for tubs. If you give me your name we can check. It may have been pulled last time for not having payment or laps in membership payment. No worries we will look into it.

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Hey will anybody from logistics be around the space today? Id like to meet and discuss some stuff I have that I'd like to donate to the space. I'm taking the cad and Etsy class, so I'll be busy from 12-7pm. I'm headed there now though so I will be around from 11am till noon, and will probably be around for a few hours after 7pm. Lmk thanks.

@Axeonos ^

I'm currently away for the weekend for stuff.... will be back and functional next weekend

@Axeonos copy that. Lmk if you're ever in during the week.. I'll be here every evening.

I think Kris Anderson is here, in woodshop

Buuuuuut donations gotta get authorization from the chair

@LAndras i wont be at the space till friday after 8pm (this weekend dang near killed me and going back to work put the nail in the coffin. sorry man. but im eager to see what you got man

Fyi I will run for logistics chair at the next meeting, see here https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/im-running-for-logistics-chair-again-may-5th/54402

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myNick really enjoyed off-siting during @LukeStrickland's tenure. He has not participated once since then. (edited)

2:54 PM

He liked the camaraderie. (edited)

@AGr if you can bring back that sense of Band of Brothers (and Sisters) and the goals become a team's goals, rather than one person's, you can set a foundation for better storage/space management that will outlast your tenure.

It was just me Brandon and Steve-o doing the work on sunday

3:12 PM

All around it was a pretty good experience

3:12 PM

Steve-o just dropped what he came in for and started helping

I would like to do that, although my past experience is that building a team is not one of my strong suits

You need a hype man

I can take up my role as cheerleader/spokesperson/Talk reminder poster of work days if needed

@AGr...it is sooo important to know your strong suits. Pick a Vice Chair who can build a team.

My current understanding is that my colorful vocabulary choices make me unsuitable to be a hype man

3:27 PM

But I'm willing to help out in logistics

Remember the 5th of may 2pm come vote and get extension if need be. I am stepping down.

@Axeonos are there any other candidates in the mix?

unknown. all i know is it wont be me lol

Ok thanks, just wasn't sure if anyone had expressed interest at recent meetings

Do we have 5 storage units at cubesmart? Cubesmart 5092 - unit 1104 Cubesmart 5092 - unit 1000 Cubesmart 5092 - unit 0015 Cubesmart 5092 - unit 1001 Cubesmart 5092 - unit 0020

Yes

We should get theses dockit systems for the drill bits and screw bits instead if throwing the cases in the drawer

you assume people will put things back

It helps if they have a nice spot for them to go

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/ill-throw-my-hat-in-the-ring-also-i-fixed-the-back-door/55099

9:50 PM

here. i posted something thats probably a bad decision

grats!

9:52 PM

also i believe there was a solution being worked on for the door that fixed the issue with the handle. They keep breaking due to people hanging on them as they climb up. I think a pushbar was being ordered or is on order.

sure, but leaving it totally unlocked was not the solution

I'm not throwing stones

9:53 PM

Sorry if it came acrross that way

i am though face

I agree it shouldn't remain open

9:53 PM

lol

9:53 PM

toss away

i did hear a handle was ordered

9:53 PM

but its been months

9:54 PM

id be glad to help install a pushbar. they make moving printers way easier for me (edited)

aye

9:54 PM

i think an electrified pushbar would be great bahahaha

like SUPRISE MOTHERFUCKER?

9:55 PM

because youll give someone a heart attack

no

10:15 PM

lol although thats laughworthy

10:15 PM

i'm talking electrified latch

10:16 PM

as in the latch has a solenoid that opens it when badge reader is active

tag in and it opens itself

10:16 PM

yeah

10:16 PM

that would probably save the walls of the door

yep

4 candidates for logistics chair? Y'all are gonna make me sad I'm missing the meeting.

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12:11 AM

whos the 4th

iirc we've got Brandon, Freddy, You, and Kris

freddy is infra

oops

12:16 AM

yup

12:16 AM

my b

didnt know about kris until today on talk

Yeah. I heard some talk that she was going for the full 'proxy bomb', but didn't realize it was her that was running

classy

Allen pointed out it'll be up to the new board to appoint the chair, and he's really pushing his 'board runs the election' approach

12:19 AM

to his credit, this is a pretty good test case for it

thats always been the case, the question is if board wants to do anything to discourage committee proxy wars going forward to decrease drama, when committee votes were never formal things anyway

12:22 AM

I will be impressed if Kris can beat the last auto committee proxy count, was something like 200 votes total

When is the logistics meeting? Im too lazy to go back to talk

Sunday 5/5 at 2pm

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It does look a little fishy now that the board voted down Adair’s no proxy for science when a board member is now using the proxy wars to advantage. This is tiring. Earn your vote.

9:37 AM

My hope is that all the non proxy chairs can get together and decide to put an end to it and by majority bring it to the new board to vote.

Current board members and their friends were the biggest abusers of proxy bombs in the last round of elections. And my guess is they will continue to abuse and exploit the voting process as long as they can get away with it.

We were told we needed more chairs on board.

I don't understand that logic when many of the chairs got their seat through the proxy issue

We will see with this election

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9:43 AM

Anyone want to share thoughts on what logistics is doing right and what needs improvement?

I personally can’t stand when projects take up giant spaces for weeks. The flight simulator in the walkway was an annoyance. Seeing tables bogged down for days with the same projects was annoying. There was no where to get anything done. I’ve heard we have twenty new work tables in the expansion. What I want to see is space available for people working on projects but not long term storage on work surfaces.

9:51 AM

And I do like the thought of free space for teachers who teach more than three classes a month. I have to lug a ton of stuff up there for my classes and last month I was injured and had t have my husband bring me and my stuff to all my classes.

Takes someone that will say no and that will enforce rules to run Logistics

10:20 AM

you need to move things along whether that means not extending slow/stalled projects, hauling expired projects offsite, or dumpstering projects offsite that have outstayed their welcome

10:21 AM

DMS needs to make project storage cost something. Money won't be popular and has administrative overheads. But the cost needs to be more than just grabbing a spot and hanging on to it forever.

10:22 AM

But hey what do I know, I only ran Logistics for 18 months

Re: "grabbing a spot and hanging on to it forever". I've been a member for 4 years and have wondered why some spots seem to be held in perpetuity. How does that happen?

@stephenie last ~2 years enforcement has been spotty

10:27 AM

and a lot of ejected materials ... miraculously ... boomerang

I'd like to see the next Board notice spotty enforcement of rules in any committee, summon the Chair to the Board meeting for questions. Then if they decide the Chair is not fulfilling their duties, rescind their appointment and call for new chair election (edited)

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How about we provide an education for chairs rather than get rid of them

^^ That too

The thing the vast majority fails to grasp is volunteer orgs dont attract actual leaders

Right on Freddy

They have to be mentored into the role

They grow leaders

They can grow leaders, albeit that is only the case about half the time. It takes an equal commitment on both parts

A chair should not have to be educated on the rules of their own committee

I'm not talking about reading the damn rules

10:33 AM

I'm talking about the actual herding of the cats

It's one thing to know the rules, it's another thing to have the moxie to enforce them.

10:33 AM

And influence people

I'm running because i was frustrated with the things I heard from Kris while doing off siting

The DMS demographic is conflict averse for the most part

She said she was giving extensions because she didn't want to have to load stuff up and off site it

That's bs pearce

Absolutely

Complete laziness

And that's what I want to stop

I'm with you

10:35 AM

I want it to stop as well.

But it looks like proxy bomb will be the current answer. And I'm not willing to abuse that

Jm not for the proxy bomb

10:37 AM

Im

10:37 AM

I'm not running that campaign personally and I dont support it for anyone else

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that's easy for you @yashsedai, you're running unopposed right?

If someone brings a proxy in support of someone great, but actively collecting them no sir

10:39 AM

Regardless

10:40 AM

Haha

10:40 AM

Just saw your comment @aceat64

It'll be up to the board to approve proxy bombs

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Yet another thread to talk about the candidates. Just two identified here... https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/logistics-chair-volunteers/55141

I guess carieen is trying to shame me for not wanting paid storage

Meh, cairenn also shamed ca when we gasp wanted rules put in place for discipline. (edited)

if people weren't getting drunk, jumping on tables and defacing stuff CA might not have needed those rules (edited)

Fees on storage will only make the people who can't afford it have problems

All of Makerspace needs disciplinary rules and they really ought to be standard

4:08 PM

Sorry Pearce, i hijacked

Kind of hard to implement though

4:08 PM

What's the punishment

You make a mess once we talk to you- you habitually make messes you catch a ban. You tell us you broke something we let you go, you don’t tell us you catch a ban. Assuming we catch it. But what’s so hard about that?

4:10 PM

You knowingly deface something- ban. You use equipment that’s training only and don’t have training- ban.

All you have is suspensions as punishment

4:10 PM

So for most of the people it won't really change much

4:11 PM

The people causing issues*

4:11 PM

They come in, break stuff, get their benefit, and leave you with the mess

If you are banned from an area like ca and cant use any of their tools for 30 days it can affect you. If it happens again it goes before board for permanent ban

Like the guy who was confronted at the laser recently. He just quit on the spot

F that guy.

And not to mention not actually being able to enforce the small "room/committee" bans all the time

Good, we got what we wanted. Not having that person habitually breaking the rules

Do you really think Kris stayed out of CA?

Ca is unique in that we have a lot of teachers and sig leaders in that room all the time

4:13 PM

No, I know she got other people to bring her stuff.

Right. So the suspensions really don't hold water (edited)

I saw it twice. I brought that up to Shay and we decided Kris was a lost cause with that ban and needed to amend it to no use of that committees tools period. (edited)

4:14 PM

Shay

I'm a pessimist. But I love being proved wrong -don't let me talk you down (edited)

Just because it isn’t always enforceable doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be on the books for when we can

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I just don't like that it's our only option. But I've never come up with an alternative

I want everyone to get along with an abundance of space - it’s not going to happen as we continue to grow. I get that each committee has their own tools and rules to follow. But I think a baseline of common knowledge behavior. Be an adult- clean up after yourself and if you break it tell us

4:21 PM

Again, sorry for the tangent in this thread.

That's what "be excellent" is supposed to mean, but some folks have made it their agenda to make that part of the ethos useless

Be excellent is too vague.

But it kind of has to be to apply to the space as a whole

Along with "don't make us make a rule" and "we don't need a rule if it's already ilegal"

4:23 PM

Is it though?

4:24 PM

If someone says "hey you're being disruptive" should your response be "fuck off I pay for the space too" or "my bad I'll try to mitigate"

4:24 PM

That's all be excellent is asking for

Why can’t we all adopt similar baseline rules. Clean up, tell us you broke it, and don’t steal. Those are baseline rules we all find as a problem. Let machine shop add that you can’t operate while drinking. Thats an addendum. If we don’t have teeth people will continue to be aholes and argue about what is and isn’t excellent

I won't lie

4:26 PM

I thought those were our baseline rules

But we don’t have it written down and it’s up to the chair to enforce. If it’s in the holy bible and something we put in a newbie manual like PR is pushing for, maybe it’ll be enforceable. (edited)

https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Rules_and_Policies#Code_of_Conduct

Rules and Policies

4:28 PM

Check this out, especially #4

4:28 PM

I think everything you mentioned is addressed, but wouldn't be a bad idea to add to it if more is needed

There is nothing about consequences which is why most people shrug it off and Art handles things one way while Pearce May do it another.

Ah ok, I see what you mean

I’m being annoying, I’m sorry.

No not at all!

4:30 PM

My job is making people follow rules, so I weirdly enjoy this kind of thing

4:33 PM

Hmm, well across the board enforcement handling consistency is definitely going to be tough thing to achieve, but it's something we should strive for

4:33 PM

Is this an item the chairs will talk about at their round table?

I plan to bring it up

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4:38 PM

If it gets shot down so be it, ca will still go forward with it if it is voted through in the next meeting.

How about a cleaning fee?

7:16 PM

That goes to the committee of choice of the person that cleans the mess .. approved by an officer (edited)

7:20 PM

Charged to the person that made the mess

Cleaning? How about this

9:17 PM

What was the vote?

Pearce won the in person vote, Kris brought a stack of proxies to take the win

3:34 PM

We've got a group now cleaning general workshop area... Kris, Pearce, Jim, Alex, Mell, and myself

We got things cleared out from the exchange shelf and under the work tables, tool wall straightened up, and violating project storage spots marked with a 7 day notice

6:52 PM

Kris said she will be posting and contacting folks about their final notice, I didn't get a count of how many

6:53 PM

STORAGE USERS please be aware that if you did not get an extension, your spot needs to be cleared or it will be offsited next Sunday 5/12

the problem with DMS, makerspaces in particular, and the cultures of nerd-esque organizations in general is they love informality to an almost unhealthy degree. Informality is great at a small scale where implicit norms can be readily enforced and everyone knows each other. Nerds will build out structures and rules at the slightest provocation and then pretty much never follow them because ... informality.

7:49 AM

So at one point "be excellent to one another" was the perfect one-liner code of conduct since the org was tight-knit

has anyone talked to PureTax to find out if the rental of storage space counts as UBI or not?

We do not have business plans for any of these new ideas. Gallery, Store, Paid Storage, take your pick.

but we have a storytelling tradition behind all of these - that counts for something, right?

@aceat64 according to the meeting discussion, PureTax is the one making the accounting system for it.... so they'd have to at least be aware of it. Regarding a specific UBI conversation I can not say.

do we know if there's an added cost? I can't imagine adding more work on PureTax will be free

they're making a framework, not administering it IIRC

11:29 AM

but again, I'm not a first party to that discussion with them

11:29 AM

and the counsel is making a storage agreement

i will be with my mother and grandmother tomorrow but should be able to get to the logistics meeting and off siting tomorrow around 1p. i know a few others plan to show up as well but might be late

Yeah noon might be harder.... Will try for one or both of us making it

8:30 AM

Guess I just looked past it on the calendar and went searching around 2-3pm

Trying to juggle mother's day plans with multiple moms. But we're aiming for around noon.

Grandma's house for mother's day just turned into me doing tech support

Just on our way up now, will be there in about 25 mins

Same. In the car on the way. Should be there in about 30 min.

@kriskat30 do you know if we have access to a truck for offsiting?

I had one and he got called into work last minute. I’m working on getting a replacement

Might get boxes from home Depot or something. Would make it better for transportation and storage

Headed to space

Sounds good, thanks Pearce! Just got some boxes to pack up items

3:17 PM

Storage violators items staged for offsiting

Will be moved tomorrow night

What time is offsiting Monday night? Doubt I'll be able to make it but can try.

Dang, that’s a lot of stuff- do people just abandon their shit?

Pretty much... notice how much of it is woodshop.

I don't get it, do people just start projects and then after like one day just give up on it

And that doesn't even include vertical storage... A lot of notice tags over there too, but we kind of gave up on that area till a truck is available

It's such a waste, we should have people sign a contract when using storage that signs away their ownership rights to the materials if they become abandoned/don't follow the rules.

7:16 PM

Then we'd have good legal standing to make use of it.

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I think something like that is finally in the works.

Would likely need the rules in the contract to be solid

It will have to be run past Griggs for sure

As long as it is applied consistently I'm for it

Make it a public auction please.

I wonder if theres a service we can just hand all the stuff off to for auction, for a cut of the proceeds

8:12 PM

Likely would be UBI either way

8:13 PM

Primally I was thinking use the materials for makerspace stuff, we can't just hand it to members for inurement reasons

what's up with the battery charger? Been wanting one of those...

Good eye. There were two of those on a shelf with like an inch of dust and no storage ticket, so they're staged to go off-site. If not claimed they should be dumpstered next month.

I'd feel so guilty...wheeling my chargers to the car... Those things are getting harder & harder to come by, and are so superior to today's computer-controlled pains in the butt (not that they don't have their upsides, the computer controlled ones, but...)

8:55 PM

(I truly would feel guilty. But what the hell are people thinking!?!)

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my theory is that no small percentage of these materials are scavenged thus the value to the member is less than if they were procured in a more straightforward manner

Yeah, with current policy once it hits the dumpster it's free to be claimed but really shouldn't come back into DMS. It's painful to just throw stuff away, but it's the safest way not to get into a dispute over ownership. Hopefully its owner claims it and it finds its way home

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Haven't heard anything about a truck. So I'm bringing the cruelbus up to off site yesterday's stuff

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Foiled again! It's out of registration

6:35 PM

Seeing if I can find an inspection place

Come on Pearce, it's not like the cruel bus draws attention or anything

On way anyways. Will get inspection tomorrow

Bus is here for off siting. All hands on deck

@pearce is doing so much work. Thank you

Off to storage

Thank you Pearce! Sorry we're not there to help

Storage unit 1001 doesn't have a lock on it at all

8:42 PM

Good luck glass works stuff

Can we buy a lock?

8:46 PM

Current 1015

Oh no. @kriskat30 do you know what's up with the missing lock?

What’s missing ??

A few years back, someone broke into the quilt guild storage locker. Cut off two padlocks. But since the stuff inside was not the stuff of storage unit war dreams, nothing was taken. Just no lock. The site manager noticed and called us after putting a lock on. Could be a similar situation here.

The lock

9:18 PM

New storage stuff

Dumpster time

Off site is done

9:58 PM

Side note. I clean this place and it's a mess in no time

Thank you Pearce.

He's cleaning out his foot btw he's gonna clean up

Ugh. He ok?

Yep he's good

Only one I couldn't off site was nachos box. Too big to move on my own

Hmmm Nacho was here today. I'll message him

10:45 PM

Nacho says Mark is going to use the material for shelves

Pearce, you are a prince to deal with this stuff. Count me in to help with the Cruel Bus costumes for the next event thing.

I also messaged nacho. He needs to remove it. Even if someone is going to use it.

11:00 PM

@judy Kriehn I will hit you up for sure! We have some new people who might need some help

Thank you Pearce! Above and beyond to do that by yourself.

curious from you who've "been there, done that"... Why do we do offsiting once a month? I have been thinking that if I were in charge it would be a continuous thing. Each time I'm there, I'd check today's list and, if you're over and haven't qualified for extension, off it goes. Likewise, at storage, if it's at or over due, off it goes. It seems like this would be easier piecemeal as I'm there rather than scheduling one big day of shyt I'd rather not do...

mostly because there's a lot of stuff and it's often better to have help, so having a pre-set day makes it easier (in theory) to coordinate and get volunteers

10:02 AM

personally, I think off-siting is the wrong approach, virtually no one ever goes to retrieve their off-sited materials from what I've seen

10:02 AM

we could save money and time by just tossing the stuff

@A. Spencer(jast) that was similar to @AGr 's proposal, would have been more frequent and at least weekly, but he did not win the committee's support

We could save money by not having 5 storage units

@merissa well, he didn't arrive with as many votes, anyway

I only used the one and not much of it. The inconvenience of making someone have to go off site is really the only punishment we have for taking storage from the rest of the membership and then making someone else deal with it

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but to be fair, Pearce won the support of the members present at the vote

we're basically paying hundreds of dollars to store what is effectively someone else's trash

No we are paying hundreds to store a bunch of committee trash because they won't move their stuff

lol so then it's our trash

Like the 2 completely trashed large format printers

would it be do-ocracying it to bring all that sh....chtuff and drop it in the "new warehouse" and tell the committees to deal with it?

Doing that would get in the way of electrical

or "garage sale" everything on...let's say May 17-19...

Talk to the committee and offer to put them up for sale ...

So we're saying logistics needs to have a more hard line approach with committees who want to put their stuff in offsite, right?

hm. Like the garage sale idea. Schtuff doesn't even need to come back to DMS. Just hold it right there on premises of the storage lockers...

Although I feel like we could deal with it at the space.

OR have the committee pay for storage

if the committee wants to pay for a storage unit out of their funds, I say let them, but it shouldn't be a logistics expense

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A lot of this is problems from the expansion

10:16 AM

Like glassworks having most of a locker

well, the BoD did approve some of those storage lockers. for expansion. I think there may even be others, procured by the committees themselves...

Selling off items (properly) should be the responsibility of the committee who "owns" the item, not logistics

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If the board approved then there should be money allocated from the board each month designated for that committee to pay

but what do we do when the "owning committee" can't git'rdun?

Logistics needs to give them a hard deadline then kick stuff to the dumpster

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I think it's all based on expansion at this point

10:18 AM

Remember when the board said we would be in by November December?

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I have a feeling we have the right people in the right places, logistics committee-wise for that to happen in the next 6 months...

Not really though when some of it is broken/damaged equipment no longer used

Side point: There needs to be something somewhere that says if you leave something here.. in your storage or committee storage or whatever storage ... if it exceeds the time limit .... it can be sold or given to another org

We can't just have them fill the 102 warehouse with stuff though.

10:19 AM

What do you mean?

10:19 AM

Stuff abandoned in the committee areas can be dealt with as needed by the committee

10:20 AM

Which goes hand in hand with "no personal storage in committee areas"

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For example, if someone leaves there personal storage and is no longer a member ... and there are things in the storage that can be sold or used .. it should be known that that can happen .. this goes with off-site committee storage that isn't agree to be paid in some way

Historically we trashed stuff because we don't want to be accused of theft and the what not if the person comes back and starts trying to reclaim property

10:23 AM

Let's say someone had a nice circular saw in their storage

10:23 AM

And we added it to the tool wall because it had been in off site for 2 months

I really feel like if your stuff has to be off sited you should be banned from using storage for at least 3 months.

They came back and had some way to prove ownership (I have no idea. It's an example)

Because a lot used to be frequent flyers.

Claimed we stole it and benefited from stealing it

Like I could predict some of the names every month I would see.

I understand that ... perhaps selling it would be better or giving it to another 501c3 org

Yes. People need to lose storage rights

10:25 AM

That doesn't happen currently but is on the slip they sign

is the verbiage for that slip anywhere referenceable other than the slip?

All over the storage rules that are posted

10:26 AM

They sign the slip

It needs to be on the slip and in a membership agreement

10:27 AM

and plain to see

Otherwise I treated it like an EULA and haven't read it in a while

I meant so that I could use them now for my own edification. I steer clear of storage for a variety of reasons (least being my forgetfulness would cause me to lose stuff)

I mean it is pretty standard to auction off items from a storage place

It's not worth the accounting that would be required

10:28 AM

You saw what got trashed yesterday

10:28 AM

Pile of shit wood

I think it would be worth it ... IF it was worthy

what were those long thingies in the foreground? looked expensive...

not everything will be sold

10:29 AM

most will not

Front grey thing is a broken mat cutter

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Dude we could just trying selling the stuff that is for sure for sale first.

10:29 AM

Rather than worrying about auctioning off random bits of wood (edited)

It was a bunch of trash wood. It's not worth doing the paperwork for

Because real talk it’s mostly wood

what about just doing a pallet @ rene bates (or whatever)? "Pallet o' whatever random junk we removed from storage this month"

10:30 AM

shrink wrap that baby and send it off...

Those sell for like $10.

10:31 AM

Not worth the time arranging it.

Personally. Spinning off a bunch of the storage to separate committees is a bad idea because they will have a plethora of different rules and no one will know what's going on ever.

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it'd make me feel better than dumpstering it (edited)

10:31 AM

and take up less precious dumpster space

Don’t we generally dumpster it at the storage space or did that change?

are we dumpstering @ storage site, or our own dumpster?

I think we need video of the dumpstering of the stuff .. I think it might cut down on people leaving stuff

If you guys are willing to put the foot work into selling it, look up how we can sell it legally. It's abandoned member items.

the time and effort involved for anything other than trashing is not in the org's interest nor valuable use of volunteer's time

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Right

It’s also somewhat satisfying to dumpster it. Lol

apparently prior logistics and bod looked at abandoned property claims / sales. It's not worth the legal hassle

It depends on what it is ... if it is worth $300 ...

If we fully enforced existing storage rules, maybe people would get their act together and abide by the rules, remove their stuff, and we'd have less shit to deal with

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easier to toss

And I have no real interest in saving it for someone to bring back for me to throw away again. Not after the off sites I've done

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^^^ this

Right. Step 1 is getting back to full enforcement of the rules

I tossed out a sink once.

If it is over a certain value ... I say .. sell it .. if not trash it

Again there’s the legwork in selling it.

right, the focus shouldn't be on "how do accommodate people who don't care about the stuff they leave?" it should be "how do ensure there's space available for people who actually want to work on projects?"

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Yes and money to be made

https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Logistics#Storage_Policies

Category:Logistics

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Even if that means I have to do it with Kris as chair and have to figure out her random extensions she gives out

Depends on how valuable you think volunteer time is.

Pay for storage with what is in storage

There's the text from the slip @A. Spencer(jast)

make it pay for itself

2016 was the last update? Really? OK.. Seems like yesterday...

Hah

10:36 AM

I don't think the policy has changed, it just hasn't been enforced

@Draco there are legal implications on claiming abandoned property versus just trashing it

10:36 AM

if we sell it we are claiming it

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I tried to update the wiki but I can't even figure out how to get it out of the busted visual editor

@pearce just use the source editor

10:36 AM

I gave up on the visual editor

No habla

@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium ... that is what the storage agreement and membership agreement is for .. it isn't that complicated

@Draco the storage agreement was made so we could trash it. Not claim it.

10:37 AM

Current one was at least

Everyone is so up in arms over committee spending and board spending ... they value $$ ... why don't we at least see how much money could be made if we did sell the things ... get some data .. and then see if it is worth the trouble

so if we retained a service, Junk Luggers, say, to remove the stuff, would that be "claiming" or "discarding" the stuff?

It’s apparently complicated to claim abandoned property. Allen did some research on it so you might check with him.

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I shall

This is all for stuff someone else has already abandoned once. It's not worth a ton of effort

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@A. Spencer(jast) I think that would fall under discarding, same as if we just scrapped it

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@pearce if you click on "edit" it tries to open the visualedit, but should error out and xfer you to the markup editor. Just click on "edit source" instead, and it'll take you the markup editor. ez pz (edited)

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@Draco we can't out-write property laws in the state of texas; at the same time, we'd have issues over a few factors: cost of creating a proper legal document and effort of sale versus actual income; someone claiming they weren't treated the same as someone else; someone claiming that they were denied process so something could be sold; etc.

10:40 AM

For the value of the crap people are leaving this is not worth the effort

10:41 AM

then there are certain things you can't even write a simple document for

10:41 AM

or sell legally

so did "we" fill our dumpster, or storage's dumpster yesterday?

and we'd have to jump down the rabbit hole of figuring all of that out using volunteer hours etc

The storage place put a fucking gate on the dumpster because we kept filling it

10:43 AM

So it has to be loaded up and brought back to the makerspace to be unloaded and trashed

10:43 AM

Which is why I'm 100% for taking away storage rights

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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium cost of creating a proper legal document .... we have to create a membership agreement anyway effort of sale versus actual income ... this requires data someone claiming they weren't treated the same as someone else ... what? people arguing over if there thing was trashed or sold? Mine was unfairly trashed! It should have been sold! or the reverse? Doesn't make sense to me someone claiming that they were denied process so something could be sold ... this is valid ... (edited)

Here's a question though. How long do we hold on to lost and found? Those boxes are piling up

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I’m actually in favor of getting rid of storage entirely unless you’re a teacher but that’s an unpopular opinion.

that. right there. good reason to find another way. Whatever that may be. I think junkluggers is likely to do us a solid...

10:45 AM

@SewingStuff Zach is on your side.

I think @AGr once suggested a long/slow conveyor belt that went to the dumpster, so that's also an option

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He does need a new project...

10:46 AM

Now that strandbeest is done

I liked the Brooks method where he just trashed everything but Allen apparently came up with this process because it’s less upsetting.

wasn't that for the fridge?

there's a duty of care associated with profiting from storage

@aceat64 I really like that idea of the converyor belt ... or have the storage over the dumpster where you just press a button and it dumps into it

@Draco consider catalytic converters. If one of those is in storage and it was sold DMS could be in big trouble. The trouble is that property law is complicated, our lawyer isn't that kind of specialist (and on top of that would definitely not be in the retainer), the claim of unequal treatment is what we have right now (some people are allegedly given grace by means of personal favor by leadership), As for the effort the cost of handling all that wood, chemicals, and other crap and the value it brings in is not worth the effort. We could do better with the time spent just trashing it and doing membership outreach? The catalytic converter is a single example; there are tons of things we legally can't sell, or are logistically impractical to do so. Maintaining that list is problematic

10:48 AM

people have all sorts of crap in there storage

we could get another dumpster, specifically for storage, just have it emptied once a week, no extension, no excuses lol

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1

probably cheaper than renting a unit

Yes .. the storage IS the dumpster ..

"I didn't know it would be thrown away!" it was literally in a dumpster already

Dumpster with shelves

That’s sort of how I think of storage already.

no, it's clearly "scrap wood recycling with shelves" right now

10:53 AM

you know on the plus side, I think throwing away wood might be carbon negative?

10:53 AM

could spin it as an environmental win to trash the stuff

I say we have a space wood chipper dedicated for project storage

10:55 AM

save on some dumpster space

10:55 AM

at least until a box with something flammable hits it. But it's ok, the agreement will say the member needs to pay for a new wood chipper

Many people had chemicals on their shelves

10:59 AM

And paints

that really should be insta-ban from storage...

11:01 AM

but painting stuff is such a big part of makery things...

11:02 AM

industrial shredder conveying the detritus to a dumpster

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x-committee project?

11:04 AM

dammit! now I have to watch this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOdZkSdNKSM

SSI Shredders

SSI's The "Hippie" Bug Shred (WIDESCREEN VERSION)

11:04 AM

such a pity. That pan looks just fine in the vid...

all the stereotypes

Making Woodshop handle Woodshop storage would get rid of 75-90% of the off-site issues.... but only if they are absolutely not allowed to store wood products anywhere else.

And it would create a whole new ruleset for storage

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11:25 AM

People are already confused at one set of rules

I don't think it would matter if it was all inside the Woodshop area.

Not to mention storage of personal stuff in the committee areas.

11:26 AM

Let the committee deal with keeping the tools working and finding new ones for the membership to take advantage of

11:27 AM

We have a committee who is supposed to deal with getting project storage for the membership. Logistics

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The current problem is that 75-90% of the storage issues are caused by projects that are clearly woodshop projects... and very little of the off-siting volunteer work is done by woodshop

Very little off siting is done at all

11:28 AM

That's the issue

If that was true, we wouldn't have a storage unit that is damn near full of off-sited garbage.

Not anymore

11:29 AM

It's all boxed now

11:29 AM

But realistically who's going to police if an item is woodshop or not?

11:30 AM

Because it's wood you have to deal with woodshop? Or would there be exceptions because it has wood, but also metal. And plastic

11:30 AM

Where's it go?

Yeah I'm with Pearce. It seems like logistics should be finding ways to support the committee areas better, not push more tasks onto them

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All I see is the storage filling up and not getting cleared because they have better things to do with committee days

has anything been discussed/tried regarding a sweat equity requirement before being allowed to use or extend storage? E.g. for every hour you spend helping with offsiting and/or auditing storage, you get 1 month "entitlement"? I can see the shortfalls in having to keep up with all the BS, but it shunts the grunt work off on to people who actually use it...

Pearce said that's how he'd base granting extensions, putting in logistics work hours

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maybe that's when the idea entered my conscience, but I credited my creativity

Well and you could put the people who aren’t physically capable of lifting all of that stuff on phone call duty or something.

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11:40 AM

I’d rather schlep than call any day.

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Lol well I think he said that in the committee meeting and not on here/Talk, so it might just be that yall both come up with good ideas

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11:43 AM

Phone calls are overkill in my opinion. People should know the rules/timeframes when they choose to use project storage and we shouldn't have to baby them.

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My wasteland group has an unreasonable number of people with broken backs. I can find non lifting jobs to do

11:45 AM

My plan was to do off siting first, then give extensions based on who showed up to help. If there's too many people, or not enough to off site (a best case scenario) then we find something else to do. Sweeping. Cleaning tables. Taking out every trash can you can find etc

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Everyone has a broken back when it comes to manual labor

I noticed

I can’t get anyone to help with the ca flooring.

11:45 AM

This is why we can’t have nice things

11:45 AM

Like new flooring

@Lavarocks if it can it be done a weekend other than memorial day we'll help

I have the ok to move it to the next weekend.

11:47 AM

I didn’t mean to hijack this convo Pearce

I’m working graduation Sunday and at the hospital on Monday otherwise I’d offer.

Awesome, I think myself or @AGr could help on 6/1

Flooring is pertinent to logistics.

Helping DMS feels good, whether it's logistics/CA/whereever, and we need to figure out how to get more people to see it that way

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Food helps.

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My teenage son looooved off-siting days when @LukeStrickland was Chair. Pizza. Being with his new friends.

I’m bringing pizza and drinks and we are hoping to make quick work of it.

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We're in the thick of end-of-school. The timing is rotten, eden.

11:54 AM

Rats.

I'm not super funded so I can't be promising pizza and beer for the meetings. And am on the side of committee funds shouldn't be use to buy food(bribes) for volunteers

What happens on 6 1?

June does

Flooring install in new CA area

11:57 AM

I volunteered one of us to help

will common area be migrated before then?

I was told it is just waiting for electric by James- I asked if he could promise end of month and he said ok. He knows it is volunteer dependent

meaning electrical buildout for all of 102 including the drops needed to support new common area? (edited)

@pearce They pooled their money for off-siting pizza.

Sounds like a plan to me

Yes. He said They need electric drops for common room and if digital media hadn’t moved he would move them.

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1) Fixed term project storage, no extensions, no extension meeting. Every project gets 6 weeks from the time they print a ticket.

Currently you get anywhere from 8 days to 35 days to store your project before requiring an extension. Requesting / granting extensions is an extra ambiguous step that can have selective enforcement and requires extra communication / overhead

2) Local purgatory shelf, no 'off site'. 

To reduce volunteer labor, at least once a week expired projects will be moved to purgatory shelf. When moved there its logged whose project it is and when it was placed there. Spending 5 weeks on purgatory shelf = thrown in dumpster

3) Ticket system enforces project storage bans, if your project gets moved to purgatory shelf you lose ability to use project storage for 1 to 2 months

4) Otherwise circumventing intended rules, like taking something off purgatory and putting it back in normal storage, would result in losing ability to use project storage for 1 to 2 months.

12:06 PM

Is what I previously proposed for project storage rules, a key feature is using the ticket generating system to enforce losing privileges. Its possible that the abandoned projects are all coming from brand new members instead of repeat offenders, in which case the managing project storage rights wouldn't actually help

.... sell items .. buy pizza ... bribe people .. profit!

12:07 PM

err .. nonprofit!

I saw quite a few repeat offenders this time

Other idea I didn't list above which would be hard to enforce would be trying to limit project storage to a project. Meaning it's not a catch all storage area for you, but a place to put items related to a specific project with a specific deadline. That gets into the no extensions, would need to visually know whats in storage to see if they print a new ticket for the same project and then penalize them for that

12:21 PM

Other random radical idea THAT IM MENTIONING WITHOUT FULLY THINKING OUT OR CONSULTING ANY DOMAIN EXPERTS THIS IS JUST A BRAINSTORMING IDEA AND IS LIKELY BAD could be to move away from smallish shelf based project storage entirely, and only have large pallet and vertical project storage. For example I built all of strandbeest by bringing boxes of all the parts to and from DMS every time, with the exception of using vertical storage to store some sheet plywood for up to a week before I cut it down. So could say if its small enough to transport in a car you don't need to leave it at dms.

You’ll feel the wrath of Cairenn for this idea

I think project storage should be completely removed except for teachers anyway

The big thing to guess at is how much value / utility having a spot to store a project provides to attracting new members, prompting them to join, if we could keep same membership level with no project storage then sure that would be great

id personally like to thank @pearce for all he's done for Logistics- i would nominate him for a month of membership but cant, so please accept my gratitude for all you've done, clearly giving your all when there is no rewards given. what volunteer help should be. Thank You.

haha i appreciate it anyway

logistic needs to apply reflective material on all the windows before texas switches back to hell

Better get started, hell starts next week. (edited)

spray foam insulation

could just relocate thermostat to those rooms, keeping those rooms at normal temps while freezing out the rest of the space and burning through member money

12:27 PM

or buy a window unit, and just set it on the floor in the doorway, to slightly cool that room while generating more heat for the hallway

the expensive, but ideal, option is to put more RTUs in

12:28 PM

there's a non-trivial cost though

At 15k minimum per....

could possibly do a ductless split system

Those windows are immense. Are they even dual-pane?

likely no

honestly, one thing the window industry has worked their d_mndest to obfuscate is the fact that windows are inherently inefficient. you can put film on them, exotic fill gasses, double/triple pane all you want - they'll pretty much never match a wall for insulation.

put they're tops in transparency, which seems to be a "thing" @ DMS presently...

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not a lot of outdoorsy types at DMS - and I don't consider my ill-advised strategy last year of "construction work during the summer" putting me into the outdoorsy category

1:11 PM

however, the humor wasn't lost on me

dadjokes'r'us (have to be "a certain age" to get that, too)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxfWNJI5ks

Jim Gaffigan - Topic

Camping

Jeremy Aldridge was given a 2 day extension to get his stuff out and has printed a new storage ticket for himself.

8:02 PM

Should have been removed yesterday

@kriskat30

Jimmie and he and I have been in conversation. I’ll let you know the outcome tomorrow

Can you document it anywhere?

Jimmie is something like 80 years old. Not excusing the behavior, just providing perspective.

Right, we talked about that, but extending his spot prevents other people from getting a change to store their projects

8:38 PM

There was an inpromptu discussion with a lot of logistics about "where's the middle ground" while we were waiting on trucks to not show up on sunday

Took the last box of stuff to off site after I talked to @yoda and he got rid of the big box

Gotcha

The tldr is that he was given extra chances recently and asked to not expand to multiple shelves, but ended up doing that anyway. And didn't ask for an extension on top of it

@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium can you or @yashsedai fix my f'up with the title /name of the wiki page https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors_Meeting_20190516_Special_Meeting should be https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors_Meeting_20190515_Special_Meeting

Board of Directors Meeting 20190516 Special Meeting

sure

1:43 PM

well

you can move the page

i can recreate the page

top right under the arrow/dropdown

ah

1:43 PM

move should do

1:43 PM

^^

1:43 PM

damn weird terminology

think of it like in the linux command line, you don't rename files you mv them

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1:44 PM

(yes I know there's a rename utility, but it's not a core util)

aye

I fixed denzokus meeting.minutes same way... he had month and date flip.flopped

YYYY-MM-DD is the how it should be, but that's a whole debate lol

people say that MDY is unintuitive, but honestly... In my mind, it's not any different from YMD, it just takes the year and puts it in at the end where it belongs since it only changes once a year. (edited)

3:08 PM

I don't like DMY for the same reason I wouldn't like SS:MM:HH

most significant digits first

it bothers me that almost everything in technology is most to least, except dates and DNS

3:11 PM

it should be org.dallasmakerspace.talk

but hey. this is America and just because the rest of the world does it a more intuitive way doesn't mean will change our ways - witness the confusion at 24 hour time.

3:12 PM

newsgroups are that way

hey why do we use radial subdivisions of hours

3:12 PM

we don't use sundials anymore

natural division

3:12 PM

decimal was resisted for so long because it has so few natural dividers

I tried and failed to find a gif from the Simpsons about metric time

3:13 PM

I believe it was the monorail episode

monoraaaaaaail

Swatch was big on measuring time in Beats for a while

3:14 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time

Swatch Internet Time

Swatch Internet Time (or .beat time) is a decimal time concept introduced in 1998 by the Swatch corporation as part of their marketing campaign for their line of "Beat" watches. Instead of hours and minutes, the mean solar day is divided into 1000 parts called ".beats". Each ...

3:14 PM

1000 divisions per day

this one, or a different one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP3nZ13AULs

stefant75

Metric time

one beat being 86.4 seconds per my hasty math

@A. Spencer(jast) that's the one

@pearce what do you need help with for logistics?

Ability to remove users from the storage system

8:27 PM

Working with expansion on build out

8:27 PM

And moving storage

Is the current code not on the dms github? https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace

Dallas Makerspace

Makerspace, 501(c)(3) non-profit. Dallas Makerspace has 30 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.

8:29 PM

not sure who originally deployed the current storage system

I'd like to plan to consolidate storage units

removing users from storage systems I guess begs the question of updating storage rules to setup punishments / rules

Rules as currently written.

would need more volume or a mass purge to consolidate units, not enough volume available

Loss of storage ability would coinside with removal from rfid system

8:46 PM

I want to work on more storage. and a purge of vertical

Ha, I guess it does already mention bans, https://dallasmakerspace.org/w/images/f/fe/Project_Storage_1.0_2016-04-30.pdf

8:47 PM

Not sure if I have ever read that pdf, didnt realize the wiki wasn't the full policy, "Members that have violated storage rules may be banned from using Storage for a period of time to be determined by the Logistics Chair"

Was that written by @ESmith or @know ?

Make sure you let infra know about the details to actually implement RFID revolution for the storage tickets. Other committees / groups have been using those tickets for non-storage things since it's a fast way to get a printout of member info with an entered description. Examples include automotive bays (parts run notices) lockout-tagout safety interlocks (who has key / why locked), etc

12:33 AM

I'll probably push for deploying another, more purpose made kiosk at that time

It would be the same system

1:02 AM

Brandon was talking to Bill about it

Said that code only exists on that tablet, I forgot to ask what credentials are or how to escape the local browser page

You might need another unit to stage out of while you consolidate the units we have.

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Or do we have parking spots at cubesmart now? I've seen DMS member vehicles parked there long term

Oh no, this parking stuff is getting out of hand. Also code only exists on that tablet? That's a problem and we need to get it in our GitHub asap (after double checking no secret tokens are in it)

I have more RPI's with screens if you need one for a second system.

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not sure who wrote that policy offhand - timestamp is from when I was chair

10:28 AM

looks like my doing

10:31 AM

wiki page was TL;DR version

10:31 AM

not sure what oral tradition has translated into the general understanding of project storage usage among the membership in the >2 years since I was involved

Let's start planning for a meeting soon, what stuff do we need to buy/replace/repair.

1:14 PM

June 2nd is the extension meeting, we should have a planning meeting before that, as the extension meeting will be spent doing physical work cleaning up the space. In an effort to reset the storage for more usability, extensions will be very hard to get.

Some ideas for potential talking points 1) When to start setting up shelving in 102 warehouse Auto and machine shop are probably ~3 months out from moving (I'm guessing August / September), and there are several phases after that. When should we have work tables and some storage setup and useable in 102 warehouse? 2) Project Storage How to keep current approach and rules with the modification of 'offsiting' to a special shelf that is in the warehouse, does that shelf need to be locked with time limited access to retrieve items? Automate ability to ban / limit members from printing new tickets after violation 3) Tool approach, per work table vs fixed tool walls vs tool carts I think the best approach would be having two fixed tool walls and an abundance of project carts stored next to wall. Intended workflow would be a member goes to tool wall, pulls off what they need to use currently, use the cart to hold and move the tools to their work area, and then later returns tools 4) Standardized tool list Sticking with ryobi, need to come up with list of ryobi tools to 5) Cleaning supplies A refresh / standardization of simple things like brooms and dust pans 6) Work tables Build awesome steel 4'x8' tables to displace current 5'x10' tables and some of the old Allen tables (not replacing the newly built tables, there are extra birch plywood tops that could be repurposed for these) 7) Come up with regular consumables list Things logistics will need to purchase every month

1:23 PM

8) How to downsize / reduce number of cubesmart storage units

Regarding ryobi, there's several newer hand vac portable vac models, would be nice to have one for woodworking area outside of woodshop. They also have battery powered soldering irons now, pretty nifty I bought one

Interesting hadn't seen that, that is one of the good things about ryobi, a ridiculous number of tools https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-Hybrid-Soldering-Station-Tool-Only-P3100/305124211

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The hand vac was actually functional when I used it at the space. I was expecting an asthmatic tool

1:27 PM

I was impressed

probably an artifact of no one ever vacuuming, lol

1) expansion is having a meeting tonight, I can't attend but they should have some answers

1:28 PM

2) could modify a pallet racks to have doors. Maybe tie it into the RFID system. And have it print a slip saying they lost storage rights( working idea) (edited)

1:29 PM

3) how do we get people to use the carts and not just take tools. Otherwise not terrible

1:29 PM

4) yes

1:30 PM

5) 6) 7) 8) more yes

The hand vac still works I emptied it couple night ago, but the bigger ones hold more wood crap etc, or spilled polypill beads, or whatever. Technically it's a wet dry one too

1:34 PM

i own these three:

1:34 PM

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Stick-Vacuum-Cleaner-P718K/302681787

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1:35 PM

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-3-Gal-Project-Wet-Dry-Vacuum-with-Accessory-Storage-Tool-Only-P3240/303579585

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With things being so spread out, I think carts will be used because its easier than making multiple trips from your table to the tool wall. I'm not a fan of the distribute tools to every work table idea just because of the overhead of managing it, so the providing carts for people to use is an inbetween solution

1:35 PM

Other rule for tool wall, NO ryobi powered sanding equipment allowed

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-6-Gal-Cordless-Wet-Dry-Vacuum-Tool-Only-with-Hose-Crevice-Tool-Floor-Nozzle-and-Extension-Wand-P770/302775352

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RYOBI introduces the ONE+ 6 Gal. Wet/Dry Vacuum. Now, you can experience the corded performance with cordless convenience. This vacuum has a powerful 80 CFM. The multi-size no-tip wheel design and 360°

1:35 PM

the 3rd one is a little anemic for its size

I'd agree with no sanders

1:37 PM

I'm not sure if we need to go Ryobi on the large vacuums if they aren't better/cost effective. Unless they want to sponsor us or something

the middle one is great for spills oops

1:38 PM

dry or wet

1:38 PM

rather than hauling around a 10gallon one

1:38 PM

the stick one we use in the kitchen, the dog room, etc

1:39 PM

and technically on my ceiling fans

1:39 PM

heh

Note this is not an actual floorplan but just what I found immediately to photoshop, but a general approach to where I think the general work areas and tool walls could go roughly.

1:40 PM

I couldn't find a marlow final layout on my hd and cant access talk right now

Oh so they would never come back together like I had thought

1:41 PM

2 separate ones doesn't feel unreasonable

The north primary worktable area is in the front, not back

they would be ~150 feet apart

That map is a bit out dated but good start to go on

Potential tool wall locations

1:49 PM

I can work on making a drawing of current location of things for future planning purposes later this week

Might use the upper right corner instead of the woodshop windows but otherwise reasonable

1:53 PM

Nope that's a fake dotted line not a wall

1:53 PM

That's annoyingly lacking in usable wall space

Since the woodshop walls haven't been built, float any minor changes you want to expansion. Walls without windows are cheaper....

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2:12 PM

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2:12 PM

One idea for tool walls, no tool chest or drawers anywhere, buy premade sets of tools and foam inserts, the foam inserts would be mounted on tool wall at a 45 degree angle

2:13 PM

of course it would be much cheaper to make our own foam holders, but someone selling both the foam trays AND tools means for only 2-5x more money its already done and easily replaceable in the future

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FYI- James indicated that that northern end of the 102 warehouse is being reworked. At the time he was providing overview, hatchers was going to go somewhere along the north wall, the sink was going to back up to plastics, and JSM and Ceramics might be shifted as well. I’ve slept since then, so don’t remember specifics.

Sounds like something I would have suggested https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/expansion-layout-finalized-8-10/40720/130

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/free-toolbox-or-donation/56332

8:56 PM

does logistics need another toolbox?

8:57 PM

for the new big committee room maybe?

I would suggest having no toolboxes at all, makes it hard to find stuff and just becomes a hidden mess

yeah i could see that

Could instead have open face bins or foam organizer shelves on tool wall

its also smaller than i thought. the picture finally got added

Might be the best area to do locked shelves for "off site eviction"

Can we name the area project purgatory?

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2

Like both

Print makings current wall setup. Could be used as tool walls

Astrud is planning to use the wall facing 3D fab as a gallery wall. FYI.

Yeah I was told about that, I think it's better as a gallery on that side. That way people seleting tools won't be in the walkway

@pearce I have a business card from someone looking to do cleaning services for us to replace the current cleaning lady. I have it with me if you want it.

Could also consider simply not having locked access (that would require either fencing around shelf or some kind of rollup netting or door on shelves) and depend on taking pictures of whats put there and enforcing penalty by restricting ability to print tickets for new projects for some time

@AGr I was thinkg rfid locked access. And badges that unlock the fence get auto removed from the storage system for x time.

12:36 PM

So in order to get your stuff back you have to knowingly revoke your storage ability

12:37 PM

@StanSimmons I will pick it up from you next time I see you, but I don't know that logistics controls that contract or if we are having issues with the current cleaning lady

12:37 PM

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/landlord-agent-on-site-friday-5-24-2019-a-m/56422

Landlord Agent On-site Friday 5/24/2019 a.m

Hello. Please note that our landlord representative will be here to visit the premises tomorrow a.m. The cleaner and tidier and more “ship shape” the place looks, the better. Please do what you can to help out…even a little (e.g. straightening up a classroom, cleani...

12:37 PM

/tableflip

ah, interesting idea of rfid access to secured area changing your permissions

Anyways, we have a bunch of shit to clean up. The fire cabinet has stacks of chems on top of it.

12:38 PM

There's a metric fuck ton of parking lot violations. There's paint all over everything outside. The place is generally a mess. (edited)

the bottom shelf of paint cabinet could be restacked to fit more into it, but be sure to wear suitable respirator while doing it

12:39 PM

Could move 5 gallon paint buckets onto logistics committee shelf

12:40 PM

dont think I can make it tonight, need to wash car and watch spacex launch

I'll be there tonight, I have to wait for a package to get to my house before I can leave

what happens if you put fire inside the fire cabinet?

it gets hot

It cleans itself

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latex paint doesnt belong in the fire cabinet

Personal storage doesn't either. If we can spray paint we shouldn't be storing it as well

Aye

self cleaning fire cabinet, just like an oven

lol if only

1:11 PM

just add some boiled linseed oil and paper towels

sequester that carbon in the atmosphere

spontaneous combustion GO!

@pearce the cleaning lady is just getting WAY too comfortable. She sits and chats with members regularly and disappears occasionally during the day. She does an ok job cleaning but doesn't understand anything about cross contamination... I've seen her mop the bathroom then immediately mop the kitchen. She has been talked to about that.

ewwwww

I've heard the complacency argument for swapping cleaning services every year or so

1:51 PM

I'll look into who oversees the contract

Logistics

Perhaps he ment on her firm side

Kris has been handling the contract on our end... so good luck with that.

lol

She is not a happy camper right now

What are the contract terms for requesting the cleaning company to send us a new cleaning lady?

I've never seen the contract

I'm pretty sure it was a board action though. Because they sign contracts

It's one of the benefits of having an arm's length relationship, being able to replace workers as needed.

Happy camper or not, Kris should be able to hand over the needed info

Steve B may have info on the contract and will be easier to have a conversation with

Surely contract is on file on site?

Might be, not being on the BoD, I've never seen it.

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1:56 PM

Didn't care enough to ask either.

I'll ping when I can look up the meeting minutes where it was approved

want me to text a pic of the card the other guy left?

Sure

1:57 PM

https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors_Meeting_20170319

Board of Directors Meeting 20170319

0470?

Yes

also Kathy might have info; I'm assuming we're actually paying

From that screenshot it does look like it comes from logistics. Nothing on the contract or company though

Promise Total Services https://www.promisesvc.com/ourservices.php

Promise Total Services

Promise Total Services - Our Services

3:34 PM

Good find

QBO-ing over here.

3:35 PM

Look...we are due regular site inspections. that would help with issues. So much easier than switching companies.

3:37 PM

Memo field in QBO: "Monthly Day Porter Service 5 days a week/ 7 hours a day schedule $16.25/hr x 7/hrs/day 5 days/ week x 4.33 weeks"

I'll get some authority to make contact as a DMS rep and give them a shout. Or get the bod or another official to do so with me

Seems to me Logistics would already have the authority

I would think so, but I'm not a fan of that "acting on behalf of DMS rule" that was made. Will play the game until rules are changed.

3:57 PM

CYA and all that

I don't think that time applies, it's only representing DMS to a public official. It's logistics contract and allocation iirc

Top left - labeled committee stuff. Mostly not fire hazard stuff. Top right - flammable stuff, unknown owners, disposal issues. Middle left - spray paint. Cant use it here. Shouldn't be storing it. Potential disposal issues. Middle right - deep gloss stainless maintainer 10x bottles. Unknown owner. 7x map gas 2x propane tanks. Various owners Bottom shelf big bottles. Bleach, muriatic acid, aquascat2 (?) Compressor oil, machine shop gear oil. Most of bottom shelf doesn't need to be in cabinet

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lol

9:54 PM

you know about chlorine and oil right?

9:54 PM

shudders

9:55 PM

!help

9:55 PM

/slaps @dallas-makerspace

I know nothing of chlorine + oil. what's the story on that?

fire...

10:04 PM

the sodium hypochlorite content may be low enough in the consumer stuff to not matter

10:04 PM

having seen pool tabs and oil is not pretty

10:10 PM

not shooting the messenger

We literally just emptied this shelf off.

10:10 PM

It's not a storage rack

agree

10:10 PM

its a logistics shel

10:10 PM

read the sds, dont store the bleach in the fire cabinet

Where to store then?

put it in the cleaning closet up by ca

10:11 PM

there are shelves behind the door

10:11 PM

also any ammonia based products in that cabinet?

Not that I know of

10:18 PM

Moved the bleach

scribbling notes that I should try a pool tablet in oil bucket experiment

lol

how far back should I stand?

bleach + ammonia is even worse

10:23 PM

the chlorine and oil bit is not violently explosive

10:23 PM

id step back a good 15-25 feet

10:25 PM

it will take a minute and then spout sad flame as long as its not enclosed,

bleach and ammonia right. got it.

Wait. We had a housekeeper do ammonia+bleach in a dorm commode once...

10:27 PM

chlorine gas, IIRC

lol yep

10:37 PM

thats just one of the products in that reaction

10:37 PM

This post explains

10:37 PM

https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/2759/synthesis-of-hydrazine-with-bleach-and-ammonia

Synthesis of hydrazine with bleach and ammonia

I am trying to make rocket fuel using hydrazine, hydrogen peroxide and home products. I want to put an action figure in orbit. Is there any way to synthesize hydrazine with bleach and ammonia, usi...

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All that trash paint

Welp. I live close to the Dallas county chemical collection place. It’s on Plano Rd between Forest and Miller rd.

Yeah I'm close too but I recently had to dump a ton from my previous home owner. I don't want to make people dump it on behalf of dms

10:57 PM

That might be needed if we can't find a solution

That lokos awesome!

10:58 PM

Looks*

Lokos=band name

Do you know how much of that is latex vs oil base?

11:22 PM

for all the latex, this can be used https://www.homedepot.com/p/Paint-Hardener-SSA-2170-PK/205572888

Paint Hardener-SSA-2170-PK - The Home Depot

HDX Paint Hardener is used to harden latex paints. The superabsorbent powders encapsulate the liquid component of the paint, forming a solid block of material. The hardened paint is acceptable for curbside

11:22 PM

we can put it in our regular trash

I didn't read that far into the labels

no worries, i can look

11:49 PM

should be around tomorrow

I was only looking for "flammable/inflammable"

Not trying to nit pick ya to death I promise! Just trying to make life easier

Home depot will take the Bher paint for disposal

12:20 AM

At least that's what I used to do

12:21 AM

Just don't try and take valspar to HD for disposal.... Or whatever the Lowe's one is,and vise versa. The policy is if they sell it they'll dispose of it. I've brought in upwards of 12 cans

12:24 AM

@pearce regarding "emptying" of the loading dock shelves what all was actually removed? Hard to tell from the photo; a chunk of that stuff is actually DMS resources.

We tossed trash wood and broken stuff

12:27 AM

We moved a bunch to the emptied out logistics committee shelf

12:28 AM

Like LED lights and stuff

12:28 AM

Moved two old air reels that probably got decommissioned when the roboreels when up, gave them to automotive tonight

12:29 AM

Extension cables were put on the tool walls with surge protectors and what not

12:30 AM

Grill was left there along with pop up tent thing. but should find a better home

12:30 AM

It's mosts car interior parts that got moved onto the shelf.

The rest of the tent setup is in the storage facing woodshop annex as it's home; it got overpacked in the annex area so the tent itself didn't fit with the blower etc

12:31 AM

If room can be made would be best to go with the rest of the gear

12:32 AM

Also some of those LED lights were part of the tent; there should have been a wiring harness with them

they looked like replacements for the ones in the roof, the ones with duct tape pigtails were left intact and moved to the logi shelf

12:34 AM

i dont remember a harness for them to plug into though

IIRC they're similar models. I wasn't aware of duct tape work on the cables; of have to take a look, someone may have damaged it or tried to make a new one

12:35 AM

Basically it looked like orange tombstones so the lights could be hung on the tent frame and hooked up to power

there were several that looked like someone rigged them to work on 120 outlets

Yeah that's them

12:35 AM

Personally I think some proper plugin lighting would be better

12:35 AM

But that's what we currently have

they were all crudely taped up

Le sigh (edited)

12:36 AM

Someone probably got rough with them and tried to fix it

12:36 AM

It's been ages since I needed the lights personally using the tent so I hadn't looked at them

@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium "tent" is something to do with ... powder coating?

powder coating is what I use it for, it's really for anything outside that just needs a roof over it's head

9:18 AM

Like if someone is using an epoxy or something that's noxious I'd help them set up the tent to do it outside if they're able

9:18 AM

(well, more willing than able. :P)

gotcha

We actually need to patch some of the side walls; it's seen better days. The blower and door setup is pretty nice but could prbably be tweaked to make it more user friendly. Some of the tent is not clear to someone who has never seen it assembled how it all fits together if you need the filtered air coming in and filtered air going out.

9:43 AM

I usually teach it as part of my powder coating class assuming the weather and other space goings are conducive to using it

Looks like you got a lot done! Thank you @pearce !

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@aceat64 came up and heleped me sort through all that paint as well. Can't take all the credit

Awesome, great work guys!

Looks like the stuff for the second LED picnic bench got dumped. That was Ben P.'s eagle scout stuff that he was doing for DMS.

Weeks ago Kris said she was going to make Ben get rid of it or it would be trashed

The only stuff we threw away last night was trash, e.g. completely empty plastic bottles

His stuff was still under the table as far as I know.

10:57 AM

If you are referring to the resin that was on top of the fire cabinet, it was open and too old to be cured properly. And had someone elses name on it

11:00 AM

What Merissa said + the fact that none of her special cases are documented anywhere.

Ah yeah I only knew of the wood and stuff under the table

As far as I know Ben's stuff is still here

Is woodshop just moving all their broken/unwanted tools into 102 warehouse?

11:58 AM

What's this for?

[smartass answer about holding items vertically]

And the large printer that's in pieces.

Is that the big printer that was in CA annex?

No those are in storage

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So no indication of who/what committee it belongs to?

Nope

12:15 PM

@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium these are the rigged LEDs

12:21 PM

Talked to the guy with car parts on the shelf we cleaned, he should be moving them to project storage

The broken woodshop stuff is (supposedly) earmarked for a garage sale. Mark was a bit gun shy about trying to quickly divest Dms of the stuff after the bus brouhaha.

2:27 PM

Astrud and Paul said something about a large format printer on the dock that had not been disposed of, but I’m not real clear on the thing above vs the stuff in offsite. (edited)

As long as it's posted publically and we aren't cutting special deals for members it shouldn't be a problem to sell

Or special deals for non members

maybe a subject for next logistics meetings, but wondering what state of electrical work is, should we plan on setting up all the pallet racks next week?

Not next week, we are still getting bids for electric. In fact the stuff automotive put up needs go come down for fire alarm wiring work that is happening Wednesday. (edited)

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in my observation that printer has been in various degrees of being stripped for parts

mmmm

3:50 PM

partsss

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@pearce good, it's not what I feared. It's still using the proper tombstone's looks like someone just added some stability. Thosr are push in wire tombstone's so I'm not worried but I think when we have time we can do better Regarding Ben's work, the table was paid for by DMS. If we tossed the surface we may be in trouble, as the one outside we recently explained to him he used bartop resin, which was already cracking since it's not UV rated. That was the replacement top IIRC

I posted the resin he was using

4:24 PM

It's still with his stuff

BTW, as logistics here is the skinny on that table, if you see Ben working on anything other than the table at DMS his scoutmaster is supposed to be informed

4:25 PM

He cut the project short below what the project was stated at and if he doesn't finish it they have to know for his eagle status

The resin I threw away was wasted by being opened and not used. And wasn't the stuff you would use on a table

Yeah I pointed out to him it was the wrong stuff

And there wasn't enough for a table

Just making sure the replacement top was still around

I'm at least familiar with resisns. The top is still under the table where it's not being worked on.

4:26 PM

Kris did tell him it needed to leave during an off site

Yeah, basically his current plan is to try and fix the existing one

4:26 PM

That's news to me, Kris told me it was still there to fix the current table

4:26 PM

But throws hands up this is why we need documentation

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Yep

BTW, infrastructure is getting LucidChart setup for our diagramming. Since it's in blocks of users for smaller licensing, would logistics be interested in a user or two for floor planning and the like? The nice thing about it is you can embed the linked images in the wiki, and they autoupdate as changes are made.

I'm sure we could use it but I don't know who right now

Well there's not a rush on it, but it's an option. It's going to be tied to the DMS Google/Okta SSO

4:31 PM

Supports teams etc

4:32 PM

Unlike Visio supports collaborative editing

Does Logistics handle the Parks Pantry thing, or does the BoD?

Both a little bit. Board talks to parks and we make sure parks cards are requested

BoD did the agreement?

Yup

Looking to have a logistics meeting on thursday night to get a roadmap going for logistics

Submitted to calendar yet?

no just got out of DnD

11:19 PM

submitted and pending

11:19 PM

thursday at 730

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did some minor cleanup on the Logistics wiki pages:

listed Pearce as provisional chair

updated some past meetings with the correct tags so they'd auto-accumulate

removed a redundant links section to past meeting minutes (2017)

some other cleanup seems necessary but that's something that will come from the meeting

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I bumped the meeting up to the calendar

@pearce, we are out of paper towel rolls, and low on other paper goods. Do you want me to continue to get that stuff from Costco/Sams like I have in the past? (edited)

@pearce

That's one of the things i wanted to look at in the meeting

11:08 AM

Thanks @ESmith

@StanSimmons I had the logistics meeting in the lobby classroom, was that available to use? I figured the (do not use)from the certificate of occupancy stuff and just hadn't been removed

We don't have cameras up everywhere yet, so still limiting non-DMS business meetings in the north side, but Logistics is obviously fine.

Ah cool. Thanks. If you need help running cable for cameras I can do that

Most of it is pending getting the fiber terminated so we can have fast connection between 102 and 104. But we will need more ethernet run in the next few weeks

Trying to list everything on current tool wall / what could be standard list of updated tool wall

12:44 PM

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l0aj0mGCbLDAOqDsyaGFKmaJrycv4LfCC2QI_lvVDao/edit?usp=sharing

DMS Tool wall list

Ryobi tools: sawzall jigsaw drill impact driver angle grinder spot light near light circular saw hot glue gun nail gun staple gun sds hammer drill caulk gun tire inflater hand vacuum blower batteries Ryobi consumables: drill bits hole saws step drills sawzall and jigsaw blad...

12:44 PM

Is this list missing anything big?

I'll have to look when I can compare with a list

12:46 PM

Jim was asking if I could get a corded hammer drill so we could mount stuff to the floor

I have used the ryobi rotary hammer to mount things into the floor, which is much better than any hammer drill (edited)

12:48 PM

https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-1-2-in-SDS-Plus-Rotary-Hammer-Drill-Tool-Only-P222/206824269 is what we have, should be some sds+ bits in red toolbox

RYOBI 18-Volt ONE+ Lithium-Ion Cordless 1/2 in. SDS-Plus Rotary Ha...

Perform your drilling tasks at ease by choosing this Ryobi ONE Cordless SDS-Plus Rotary Hammer Drill. Offers imperishability.

@AGr the Ryobi rotary hammer is undersized

1:03 PM

We need to be able to do 3/4" holes due to heavy equipment

1:03 PM

I never suggested a hammer drill, though people often use the terms interchangeably

ah, thats a big hole, what is the anchor strength of something that large?

Massive, i.e. automotive lift and steel bollards for parking lot

1:05 PM

We have 5-6 bollards left to anchor, move the blacksmithing cage when they get to it, and when machine moves over they will need to anchor some stiff

1:05 PM

And that's before getting into auto

probably need 120V AC or air for that sort of work?

found picture, looks like we rented one when installing lift previously

the Ryobi One+ tool was sufficient for anchoring racks in the warehouse, but those were ~1/2" if I recall?

August 22 2015

120V. Interesting.

We could probably get the ryobi for maker projects and the bigger one for space use (read -not available for general public)

Brings up question of how Pearce wants to handle <$500 purchases, could just request a purchasing officer buy a better rotary hammer right now for ~$300

1:21 PM

($53 per day to rent from home depot)

1:28 PM

crazy that ryobi doesn't make a portable band saw like https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Metalworking/Band-Saws/2729-20

M18 FUEL Deep Cut Band Saw

The most powerful 18v cordless band saw on the market, the first to truly deliver corded performance with cordless productivity.

1:31 PM

or a mag drill, I wonder what other more industry oriented vs home gamer tools ryobi doesn't make

We have that Milwaukee bandsaw in metal, it's awesome. @pearce yeah if we got the bigger one it should be kept in electrical or similar IMHO That Ryobi struggled with 3/8 holes as well when I would use it, and it was a 3/8 that it finally gave out

1:33 PM

Was piloting before trying to do the 3/4" It could have been worn previously or something else but it really doesn't have that much impact

Purchasing is something I wanted to cover at the meeting. Also figuring out why we are in the negative for funds. (edited)

(I'm subtlely trying to give pearce reasons to abandon ryobi)

I get abandoning Ryobi. But we have to contend with people using the tools wrong.

^^this. You cant beat the cost/wear ratio

I think the other committees could buy the more substantial tools like metal with the Milwaukee stuff, while logistics covers the basic stuff with ryobi

Metal locks up the good Milwaukee portaband and some other stuff, made a world of difference

Then we don't have to try and train people how to use a drill. We can just deal with the abuse

Just have to talk to the committee to get access. Forces accountability. But we can't do that elsewhere

I see 7k for logistics in qbo (incoming bin charge is not in qbo yet)

I still don't have camera access to test. But 3dfab switched to only carrying bright orange filament so they could see it easier on camera. I think the Ryobi green is another good stand out color we can see on camera footage easier

@pearce Come by sometime and Freddy or I can get you setup on the new cameras.

Thursday for sure, might be there really late tonight (edited)

having the logistics meeting during tour night is a bit of a PITA....

Noted

one of the previous attempts at stocking tool wall, doesn't seem like the hand tools last very long

perhaps if we have prybars more visible we'll see less... interesting uses of the hand tools

4:09 PM

we could also just buy a truck load of hand tools from HF

4:09 PM

1) who would steal HF hand tools 2) flooding the space with a tool worked for pens

Could try an expensive experiment and get https://www.grainger.com/product/WESTWARD-Phillips-Slotted-Square-Recess-1CLG1 and https://www.grainger.com/product/product/WESTWARD-Black-Blue-Foam-Insert-6ZGT9 for $140 x 4 = $560 and see how long they last

Phillips/Slotted/Square Recess/Torx® Screwdriver Set, Acetate, Nu...

Scrwdrvr Set, Slot/Phllps/Torx(R)/Sq, 29Pc

Black/Blue Foam Insert, EVA (Ethylene Vinyl Acetate), 22.36" Lengt...

Foam Insert, EVA, Black/Blue, For 1CLG1

4:14 PM

vs $30 per set of https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-Variety-Screwdriver-Set-25-Piece-H25PCSDS/302348387 or $10 per set of https://www.harborfreight.com/22-pc-screwdriver-set-69420.html

Husky Variety Screwdriver Set (25-Piece)-H25PCSDS - The Home Depot

Tackle mechanical projects around the house by using this Husky Variety Screwdriver Set. Blades are forged from high strength alloy steel.

22 Pc Screwdriver Set

22 Piece Screwdriver Set

4:15 PM

personally I would like to try the order of magnitude more expensive than harbor freight option

4:16 PM

I'm going to come up with a tool list option for meeting, likely 10-15k to build out 2 tool walls with all new components and a spare of everything

So they don't have to be matching tool walls.

4:38 PM

The interior tool wall won't need stuff like circular saw etc

Could we also consider more trash cans in logical locations? Like why do we not have a trash can next to the copier? but there are a half dozen in the kitchen?

people move them around...

8:45 PM

no idea why

id just move them, they move all the time. can probably get more

The ones on wheels in galley were all sourced from Uline (available other places, that's just where I bought them last time)

8:57 PM

Rubbermaid slim Jim, https://www.uline.com/BL_8792/Slim-Jim-Accessories

Slim Jim Trolley, Rubbermaid Slim Jim Trolley in Stock - ULINE

Uline stocks a huge selection of Slim Jim Trolley. Order by 6 pm for same day shipping. Huge Catalog! Over 36,000 products in stock. 11 Locations across USA, Canada and Mexico for fast delivery of Slim Jim Accessories.

Pearce is of course free to run meeting how he likes and isn't bound by this, but figured I would precreate a wiki page for meeting and post some ideas for consideration https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Logistics_Committee_Meeting_20190530

Logistics Committee Meeting 20190530

11:02 PM

This is also assuming would be able to get a large allocation from board to fund tool wall and other general improvements (to the tune of 10k), otherwise the $3,200 for pallets and tables is basically the entire remaining logistics balance

Thanks for making an agenda. I was going to do that later today after the landlord walkthrough

I get that there are zero cool kids points associated with Ryobi, but I doubt that better quality tools would be a better value for DMS given that they're no more immune to abuse that routinely occurs at intervals well under the tool's best-case MTBF

within committee areas where the users are seemingly a bit more ... considerate ... than the open workshop is another matter (edited)

8:37 AM

do we want the ~~dumpster fire~~ drama of a Talk post or just show up and conspire in person tomorrow evening?

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Feels like a catch 22 on that

I'd love to see that talk thread, but I know I wouldn't be able to resist being dragged in.

11:56 AM

I'm all for nice tools. I don't think we know enough about their resilience to say if they're the better investment. I say we try it and find out. At least that way we'd know for sure

Still working on price list to see how much buying ryobi tools to create an exact mirror tool wall would cost

11:57 AM

We can all agree that having more pallet storage would be a benefit right? Therefor we have no choice but to build awesome 4'x8' work tables immediately

12:01 PM

In other random questions, can we agree that DMS money (and especially limited logistics money) shouldn't be buying food for volunteers?

04/30/2019    Expense    44454229NR    Domino's Pizza    COMMITTEES:Logistics    Domino's Pizza    2550.02 Credit Card MASTER 07132018    166.35

(edited)

when my son was participating in off-siting under Luke Strickland's tenure, they had pizza and everyone went in together on the cost, throwing down a few bucks per person.

12:05 PM

It definitely wasn't $166 worth of pizza, just a one or two pies.

12:06 PM

He had such a good time participating in off-siting, btw.

Was curious how much food that would be, looks like ~12 large pizzas

I would bet that was for a work day no?

A work day for 30 people?

I think we should be reminded that feeding volunteers a few slices each is ok

12:09 PM

But not the whole fucking space

12:09 PM

I am not arguing that it is excessive

12:09 PM

But notes and attendees fed mitigate these circumstances

12:10 PM

If the process was that you had to turn in a sheet with who was fed and what was ordered and that was accessible, don't you think that would be a happy middle ground?

12:10 PM

At least you would have actionable data on which to counsel folks about behavior

12:10 PM

As it stand now there was a shit load of pizza ordered and likely nobody knows who consumed or why it was ordered

Will put an agenda item for next board meeting to ban buying any food for volunteers with DMS money so they can decide

Go for it, I'll speak out in support against it. Making rules to address the exceptions is a terrible plan. Exceptions get dealt with on a case by case basis so that ornerous rules dont get created

it's been up already, and was left to committees to decide how to use their funds. You can hope for a different outcome but it's a fairly touchy subject since it's generally the exception and not the norm that a committee is not ok with what happened. I personally used to buy pizza for the metal shop meetings until I got a little tighter on my end, since we didn't want to spend our funds on it. However that's a committee decision on how they maintain their volunteer base and run their meetings

I agree with Jim right up until a committee gets a stipend (or whatever we're calling allotments from the General Fund). Then, that ain't your money, and if you're pissing away committee funds on food, AND taking a stipend, one or the other has to go. I'd have zero beef if funds were earmarked for food, and donations accepted, but we aren't doing that.

Party pooper here. I'm not planning on using committee funds to buy food. If someone wants to pitch in for pizza, got for it.

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oh yay

1:03 PM

tornado warning

Yup. In the downstairs bathroom with all six pets. 3 dogs and 3 cats.

Landlord doesn't like the trashy areas around the parking lot

1:06 PM

should we even be storing gas like that?

yeah, that looks like literal trash around the transformer

Junk stored outside

1:08 PM

Called out trailers being stored

1:08 PM

Eyesores

is the fence for knife throwing?

1:11 PM

should be a bit closer to the flammable containers to make it more exciting

The gas should almost certainly be inside the cage, but no one could find the key.

feels like the onion fields back home...

That gas shouldnt be there in those containers

1:13 PM

it definitely does not belong in the cage

Dunno why they are there

aye, not sure where it came from

But she was commenting on the trash and junk outside not the gas storage

aye, its terribel

1:14 PM

i ran out of time yesterday, meant to pick up all the garbage on the north side

Understands we have a need for occasionally storing cars for projects. Will be in talks about it

1:15 PM

But not for storage stuff /living in

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1:16 PM

Also acknowledged that the lease says no storage over night on premises. She was just reporting based on what management saw and didn't like seeing.

https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/18v-one-plus-heat-gun I'm skeptical

just whyyyyyyyy

this kills the battery

the battery soldering iron and hot glue gun seem more plausible

4:10 PM

getting rough numbers, this list is $6,334 for all new ryobi tool for 2 tool walls

that could be pared down greatly

4:15 PM

i would remove the following, caulk gun, tire inflator, hand vacuum, blower, soldering iron and heat gun

I agree with that list, but I'd keep the vacuum

4:15 PM

always good to encourage cleaning

i can go either way on the vacuum, but the rest is garbage imo

I have the ryobi caulk gun and it kinda sucks imo

solution in search of a problem

4:16 PM

soldering iron and heat guns hahahahahaaha

4:16 PM

rename those to BATTERY KILLERS

eh, the soldering iron probably works fairly decent

get a damn corded one

those batteries are like 70Wh

4:17 PM

so at ~60W (guessing) that's about an hour of runtime, which isn't bad

its not but seriously, a soldering iron for crappy use is 15 or 20 dollars

4:19 PM

and i would much rather we buy a few reasonable ADJUSTABLE heat guns vs cordless

https://www.amazon.com/Titanium-Drill-Bit-Set-Metal/dp/B00BSEZOVW bulk chinesium drill bits for $65 a case

that's not bad, considering we'll snap them before they wear out anyway

lol

4:21 PM

MASTERCRAP!

4:21 PM

aye, that makes sense

what would be most useful for us would be automatic sorting of bits

4:23 PM

I wonder if we could print out a ramp than when rolled down, the bits (smallest first) fall into the appropriate holes and into stacks

4:23 PM

ramp/holder

could label all drill bits single use only, and just buy a bunch of them, no sorting needed

lol

i think we would be good having a used drill bit bin, if in doubt, toss it in

4:24 PM

sorting wouldnt be terrible

I have 2 of the ryobi 18v glue guns and 1 of the ryobi soldering irons. I'd be down for buy ing a heat gun later once I have some spare fundage.

Before shopping for tool wall in new area, do we have an idea of the types of projects to happen over there? I’d kinda vote to not provide for every sort of project known to man ”just in case”. People generating clouds of dust are not going to be welcomed by science, electronics, resin or printmaking. On the other hand, I find it annoying to be unable to locate a decent broom, a dustpan that actually collects the dust, or a trash can when I need it. James H, Anette and I certainly managed to generate mass quantities of wood chips while we were working on those giant printmaking blocks, but cleaning up after ourselves was often a challenge. Once glass is up and running, you’ll have glass shards adding to the floor mess mix, if/when independent mosaic, stained glass, and larger fused glass works start happening. I’ve held a BROOM more frequently than a stinkin’ power drill when I’ve been at the space, but I suspect the power drills might outnumber the brooms. Just sayin...

Pearce mentioned customizing tool wall load out per area, the list I posted above was with the idea that they should be identical tool walls to make administration and replenishment easier, members dont have to guess "oh I have to walk to the other one to get the thing I really need" if they are identical

They will be identical for about 30 minutes, until the first dremel grows legs.

So we don't lose the big drill bits. The small ones get broken. We need a surplus of the small ones

There are similar packages on Amazon for just groups of smaller sizes, but the one above has bonus of coming in a case vs needing more hubot drill indexes

Probably a good starter.

6:50 PM

Then we restock

6:51 PM

You are thinking that the tools being hidden in drawers is causing some of the mess/ loss of tools?

6:52 PM

I do want to make separate tool walls based on the area usage, more that the front room one will have a few less heavy duty tools

Hope is having a single obvious place to return tool via foam shadow board or labelled small bin would increase chance of person returning tool

6:59 PM

Having everything visible on wall also helps with quickly seeing what is available for use

Right

Turns out the visual editor doesn't like being edited from mobile. I'll add stuff when I get home

made some edits

from the expansion kickoff post it sounds like auto is a fair ways off, so if we are going to put up pallet racks around auto, that wouldn't impact current electrical work

12:13 PM

I wonder if it would be useful to ballpark 6-8 months for phase 2, which means moving of woodshop would be a ways out, that impacts how much effort we should put into 104 workshop tool wall / tables today, as 104 workshop tables would be in same spot until woodshop move work starts

12:14 PM

Could be an extended time of just auto, laser, woodshop being in 104 workshop

I think the biggest hold up for us is we don't get to put storage up in 102 yet

why not?

1:20 PM

if things will be in way for expansion, then we can move them out of the way on an as needed basis once the work has actually been scheduled

1:20 PM

otherwise it will be a year before we could put up storage in 102

the biggest impediment is that expansion has not released the space yet for that purpose and won't do so until more of the electrical work is done

not released the space yet to store anything there? do we need to move everything out of 102 that is currently stored there?

no, not released the space to put up racks.

1:22 PM

i suspect there will be more forthcoming on things having to be moved around

Whats the difference between 3 pallets on the floor and a pallet rack if we are going to move it as needed ourselves?

1:23 PM

As an alternative we could put up the pallet racks in former science + vector floorspace

102 is so full of trash not because other committees are allowed to use it for storage

1:26 PM

Woodshop moved all of their broken tools. There's a stack of shitty pallets. Dismantled printers. A laser cutter that should have been sold off already

1:26 PM

All of that is going to be in the way of electrical more than stood up pallet racks (edited)

Keep in mind we are paying over $10,000 per month for the 102 warehouse, saying we can't get any benefit from it for 6+ months seems like an inefficient use of DMS resources

....

1:43 PM

thats a bit disingenous

I would argue that electrical could work around some of the pallet racks. Especially if they get other clutter off the floor

Putting some of the stuff scattered on the floor onto shelves could actually make more room for electrical work

I think your alternative of putting racks up in vcc and science areas makes a lot of sense

1:51 PM

it would give you a fair bit more storage space

I'm not opposed to racks in old science. But can see an issue with freebie shelf being too close and people shopping the storage shelves

1:54 PM

It would be nice to set up the racks in/near their final space though. I don't move them for fun

how else will we get our exercise / workout routine without regular moving of heavy stuff

I'm not familiar with the activities you speak of

That one guy wanted a punching bag, also there are knife throwing festivities happening out back

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Not anymore

We also have a SiG that just started that has an aspect of martial arts in it

Telm me it's not a poi spinning group

It's a hallway defense group

the rule about putting things next door per expansion is it is on a pallet, or on wheels. These can be moved easily. Storage racks cannot. Woodshop storing busted tools there irks me, as do the busted printers

2:42 PM

the big laser apparently someone has taken upon themselves to do a restoration last I heard; would need to follow up with the chair on that one

Woodshop storing things on the carts over there bothers me.

same

I put the drill press on a pallet

2:43 PM

What I heard about the broken laser was that infrastructure (?) Decided to fix it and sell it for cash?

2:44 PM

We need to just sell it as is and let someone else fix it. This is hoarder mentality

I'm not aware of Infra making that decision. @StanSimmons @yashsedai can you confirm?

2:44 PM

I agree it just needs to go, but last I heard laser was allowing someone to; they need to just sell it for what they can get

If it's not a committee trying to fix it, then it's personal storage in 102 and we have another non public sale to deal with as well. I don't think that's the case though

I did not make a decision

last I heard it was a repair project to put it back into service

2:45 PM

but again, that was back like the week after they put the new one into active duty

i do know that tim bene was working on it

@sixvolts_ know anything about busted thunder and the new owner?

Not sure if these prices are any lower, but currently a promotional time for Ryobi at HD

2:49 PM

70 for a 6ah battery

@pearce we are keeping it (provisionally) to fix it up.

Could add electric bolt cutters to tool list

lol

While I don't agree that the electrical workers will move stuff because it's on a pallet I think we can work with the 104 space

3:05 PM

3/8 shank rotary hammer at HD for 250

FYI logistics

3:07 PM

infra is buying a quality rotary hammer that everyone can use

3:07 PM

don't bother spending your funds

I posted the one @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium asked me about. I have no experience with them

3:08 PM

K. Will be removed then

Will go get it this weekend

3:08 PM

Its a larger bosch

3:08 PM

the hilti was too much

300?

HAHAHAHAHA

3:09 PM

if it was going to get used regularly i would buy this https://www.hilti.com/c/CLS_POWER_TOOLS_7124/CLS_ROTARY_HAMMERS_SDSMAX_7124/CLS_CORDED_ROTARY_HAMMERS_SDSMAX_7124/r1021424

TE 70-ATC/AVR - Corded Rotary Hammers SDS-Max - Hilti USA

Hilti Corded Rotary Hammers SDS-Max - TE 70-ATC/AVR - Very powerful SDS Max (TE-Y) rotary hammer for heavy-duty concrete drilling and chiseling, with Active Torque Control (ATC) and Active Vibration Reduction (AVR)

3:09 PM

that retails for close to 1500

Bit much

lol

3:10 PM

if you had to use it all day, you would appreciate the active vibration reduction

3:10 PM

as we don't we will go with something cheaper and nearly as functional

3:11 PM

jim smoked those poor prosumer ones

Having cut apart a 2 door car down to >2 foot sections with a sawzall. Yes I would bet active vibration reduction is worth paying for

haha

@pearce you should have felt what that HF rotary was like when trying to make the 3/4" holes. I've had better experiences with jackhammers

haha

3:13 PM

poor Jim

In Russia, shake weight shakes you!

3:17 PM

So re: evacuate cubesmart- use pallet racks in 0020 to make more shelves in old science/vector. Then use those shelves to move the committee storage and other DMS items from cubesmart to DMS. Potentially use one shelf for locked rack storage to replace the "off site purgatory" storage unit.

aye

@AGr if you are still at home Depot, can you brainstorm chain link fence options for making pallet rack doors to lock them somehow?

May I suggest using some of the already owned expanded metal pieces we have?

Looked at them, no premade options, question is if it would be door mounted to rack or posts mounted to concrete

expanded metal is usually sharp?

these are not sharp

3:22 PM

its not expanded metal per se

3:23 PM

trade name is pallet rack wire decking

3:23 PM

a simple tube frame and hinges

Some kind of role up netting that locks in down position is also possible

That's probably better than swing out

3:26 PM

At this point I'm more for a prebuilt solution than making one we need to catch up not add project time

heh, get ready to pay!

3:28 PM

let me know if you want design help

3:28 PM

and what size openings are acceptable

https://www.amazon.com/Containment-Bordering-Basketball-Volleyball-Multipurpose/dp/B013J6ZD0I could be like a curain with steel cable locked on one side

@Lavarocks said "Telm me it's not a poi spinning group" and @pearce said "It's a hallway defense group" .. Yes, we will be learning to guard the Finance office. lol ... actually Medieval Fighting .... https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/12624

note that there is steel cable and crimping tools / supplies in trebuchet box in offsite storage

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3:35 PM

https://www.amazon.com/Topeakmart-Baseball-Softball-Backstop-Practice/dp/B01LCR67OM some kind of locked net across face of pallet rack would be easiest to setup, of course could cut through it with anything, but I'm assuming thats not a big concern, members could cut through anything we put up

Amazon.com : Topeakmart 10'x20' Heavy Duty Baseball Softball Batti...

Amazon.com : Topeakmart 10'x20' Heavy Duty Baseball Softball Batting Cage Net Backstop Practice Net : Sports & Outdoors

Honestly it doesn't even have to be actual security, if someone cuts into it (vandalism) or attempts to bypass it (b&e) we just ban them

@pearce Don't believe everything you hear. You will get it half right at best. Some of the guys in Machine Shop want to try repairing it so Laser can keep using it, rather than selling it. The bullshit runs deep in those that don't listen to the whole story... or don't bother to actually talk to other people.

Thanks? I did ask for clarification. Doesn't change that I think we need to get rid of it instead of keeping it in storage. It's clearly not getting worked on

3:47 PM

Storage in the 102 warehouse no less

Expansion allows stuff on pallets, and stuff on wheels, both of which can be moved by one volunteer in a timely manner when needed. Racks can not be moved by one volunteer.

3:50 PM

Whoever told you Infra was going to fix the laser and sell it obviously didn't hear the whole story and didn't bother to confirm it. Perhaps they work for CNN

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Right. But volunteer time schedule + bright electrical schedule ( they are doing work for us when they have down time between jobs) means we are going to be a long way out on getting anything done

We should move the pallet rack uprights not sitting on a pallet out of 102 asap

If people would show up and help rather than bitch, things might go faster.

Joe King and I put all the green rack uprights in 102 on a long pallet last night. They can now be moved by one volunteer with a floor jack and a furniture dolly

I'll see you at off siting then?

I do plenty around here. Now that you are starting to show up occasionally, you might notice that

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I'll PM Radcliff and see what his thoughts are on how to maximize benefit from floorspace while not impedding progress (edited)

You might PM Rich Meyers as well, since he is the one getting the electrical taken care of.

4:00 PM

Ratcliff is primarily running the ventilation project for the science, glass, jewelry and ceramics areas.

Fuck off with the "showing up" bullshit

Watch the personal attacks there buckwheat.

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Maybe the showing up comments would come across better if you didn't live at the space

4:07 PM

Don't threaten me with your personal attack bullshit

Stan, first off his comment wasn't a personal attack. Second, you started the convo very adversarial "The bullshit runs deep in those that don't listen to the whole story... or don't bother to actually talk to other people." which wasn't needed (edited)

4:09 PM

the comment "If people would show up and help rather than bitch, things might go faster." was completely unneeded as well

4:10 PM

please consider the tone of your messages and try to keep things constructive and not antagonistic

@StanSimmons can you stop with the discrediting anyone you don't agree with that isn't at DMS 7 days a week? I can't speak for anyone but myself but it really kills the desire to volunteer when I can.

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I know for me that it was especially unwelcome while I was dealing with my wife's cancer

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This map isn't right. I'm trying to plan for moving the common room so CA can start the pulling up floor

Seems like the expansion chat channel needs more use

I don't discredit people that aren't up here daily... The ones I discredit and dismiss are the ones that are bitching and moaning about the way things are done, but either don't come to the space at all, or show up very rarely... yet still have strong opinions about how the volunteers that are here should do things.

Sounds dangerously close to advocating for a doocracy

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Why is this discussion needed? Can we remove the negativity and get back to topics for tonight's meeting?

There are several people who have paid for DMS memberships for the sole purpose of gaining access to the Hidden Talk forums

Doesn't sound at all applicable to logistics

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If you pay money for a membership you should have a say.

Stan had a setup for tables so we just need to move them after the meeting

meeting will have live audio via discord general. i will try and field questions from the chat as well.

@Lavarocks Have a say, yes, bitch loud and long about how the people that are up here, actually doing stuff, are doing their volunteering... no, not so much.

Stan it seems you are the only one doing the bitching right now. Can you stop and go back to something more productive?

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You mean like helping new members sign up, get their keyfobs and get signed up for classes? Yeah.... doing that right now.

Awesome, thanks for that

I think sometimes we have a problem with Backseat Drivers ... I try to ignore them and carry on

Ooh @pearce audio is really spotty

7:24 PM

But so far it's only me in there, so not that important

my connection was a bit off but it looks like its better (edited)

Yes definitely better

7:32 PM

Thank you for broadcasting and Erik for taking minutes!

Coming through good now

https://www.amazon.com/Learniture-Steel-Hardboard-Height-NOR-TY-538-24-4/dp/B06XFWDWTW/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?keywords=lab+stools+24&qid=1559263123&s=gateway&sprefix=lab+stool&sr=8-3

@Lampy (Ken Purcell) do you know the committee balance for us?

Link for 24" stools with backs:

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7:41 PM

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01MTBFTXS/ref=sspa_mw_detail_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1

As of the 5/20 official report from Kathy, Logistics had 7,496.83

7:45 PM

Don't know what has been spent in the last 10 days. Also this may be paid as part of expansion.

the tables might?

I would think so if outfitting the new areas.

I think @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium wanted it

7:51 PM

the trebuchet

They're saying the plan is to list it on Craigslist and sell asap

The large bins are about 4x bigger but depending on what is in them, they may to heavy for some.

How is payment/rental timeframes going to the tracked and administered?

Science kinda does this. Each regular class has a supplies box for that topic.

It seems like personal storage boxes work because it's a one time fee. I don't like the big bin idea till someone states how financials and tracking is going to be administered.

8:16 PM

We lost audio again

8:16 PM

Think it's back

8:19 PM

Could it be a monthly fee that is worked into whmcs?

8:20 PM

So when you pay it with your dues?

@Draco Couldn't get the new home for the trebuchet setup, so it has to go. I was only offering to re-home it and try to get a team together again.

I think they are going to put it up on Craigslist

Could move it out to the farm in Caddo Mills.

Motion and second, time to vote

Live document for the Paid Storage Rules (Draft): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kQ6FkFrAWQK47ukjiZFR-HYuilPMIUxwMxGuTR_JOdo/edit?usp=sharing

Paid Storage Rules (Draft)

I requested a quote from both metals4u and metals supermarket for tables, will forward smallest quote to a procurement officer when they come back

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/help-write-a-proposal-for-paid-storage/56826

I still think storage above the dumpster would be best .. with a dump button

8:43 PM

Why do we off-site?

8:44 PM

as opposed to just dumping it

I think optimum design is a slow moving belt to the dumpster

Should submit a design for review. I'm sure Brandon would help build it

I liked the really old way of gleefully giggling while trashing people’s stuff but I’m told that resulted in some death threats.

Why can we not do like other storage places ... just lock it for a month ... we have the storage place AND the place to off-site in 102 .. why not just have lockable storage that we just come by and lock for a month .. then dump

8:48 PM

we could double our storage

That sounds just like Brandon's project purgatory idea and what Pearce is saying about creating a locked area

nods

live doc for storage extension criteria: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EbCLppRVHhIjssnwz0-yFbGV5RfQ5G0HIrxCSwR81qM/edit?usp=sharing

Establish better criteria for storage extensions (draft)

Extensions may only be given once. An extension is not guaranteed. Extensions are more likely to be given if the storage usage conforms to the following: No materials sticking out from the shelf No materials overflowing into another section Materials stored in large, clean co...

8:51 PM

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/help-write-a-proposal-for-project-storage-extensions/56827

That knife throwing is Hatcher's Armory

8:52 PM

ok

8:53 PM

Yes

8:53 PM

I will tell the committee

Have option of picking up pallet jack from HarborFreight for $260 or order it for $312 from uline and have it delivered with the pallets, or a smaller capacity (2 ton instead of 2.5 ton) for $200 from northern tool

Isn't the paint cabinet supposed to be committee storage only? It needs signage stating that

Good job @pearce Thank you for your work on everything!

Will look over minutes and notes tommorow to make sure I didn't knacker anything too badly

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Thanks for taking minutes Erik

Question about storage... It was mentioned that the big bins are needed so members can store their tools onsite. Is this something that could be somewhat remedied by better equipped tool walls?

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No, bringing own tools would always be better than shared tools, especially for things like drill bits or cutting tools

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Man you could fit a whole lot of drill bits in those black bins

Better stock would help, but the bins would be useful for personal tools for sure

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Like Dremels, since they apparently make a beeline for the exits upon learning that random DMs members will be using them.

They know

I forgot I was going to head back to the space after food. I will replace the lock on the lady's room stall tomorrow and move some of the leftovers from the old common room tomorrow

Yay! Latchable potty doors! My washers and duct tape fix worked for two months, but...

Lol

2:49 AM

I'd say someone else could hop on it and get it done now, but I put the part in my pocket while moving tables. My bad

@AGr do we need a second pallet jack?

8:15 AM

I don't think I've encountered a case where I needed it and it was in use, has anyone else?

there has often been the want for a second pallet jack

8:20 AM

this is apt to be stronger with the huge increase in warehouse space and pallet-jack friendly tile floors in the flex area

Re: potty doors- as previously noted, my washers ‘n duct tape fix lasted TWO MONTHS. Prior to that, it was the “hope nobody dashes in here! Theory for a couple of months. Nobody bothered to “jump on it” in the ensuing time. It wasn’t gonna happen until somebody put the part in their pocket. Just sayin. Thus, you are my hero.

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Should the overhangs be symmetrical? As drawn here there is 3" overhang on long sides and 9" overhang on the ends

12:00 PM

Realized can decrease end overhang to just 6 inches with same material cost, since can get 3 long pieces out of 20' length at 78 inches

12:17 PM

Metals4u and metalsupermarket quoted same price +/- 1 dollar for order

not trying to voluntell, but if Logistics wants the BoD to cough up 12 large for power tools + tool wall, the committee is going to want to have a detailed proposal ready to go

There is a spreadsheet of tool cost that was based on linked to in item, but some discussion in meeting alluded to modifying tool distribution

Doing some napkin math, to store 300 of the 23 gallon bins (assuming 16" wide bins), it they were on shelves 5 high (that would be ~10' high), would take 80' of shelving (not accounting for shelf uprights), note that the 102 warehouse is 72'x119'. So imagine a 10' high wall of storage bins along the entire wall behind new fired arts / jewelry

1:21 PM

The entire 102 flex area is 68'x82'

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All orders have been placed for 2019-05-30 1.1 agenda item, Metals4U for metal, Jwwinco.com for feet, boltdepot.com for couplers and screws, Uline for pallets, will probably have a welding day next saturday

The wall behind Ceramics, Jewelry, Glass kilns will have lots of hot kilns firing, with ventilation above them... not too great for plastic tubs.

kitty

No cats please, woodshop is already killing me with dust

11:25 AM

I'm beginning to believe the theory that my head would explode if you threw a cat at me

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Oops, was bringing up a terminal program and lost window focus.

11:31 AM

Multitasking fail

@pearce - This is an FYI. I confirmed with Shay and Lara that Logistics can dispose of the large format printers. (mostly just a formality since the individuals who were tasked with doing so obviously have NOT.) Next time y'all go to off-site, can y'all confirm this info?<br>Epson 7880 - 24" width Epson 11880 - 64" width? That's what listed on the CA wiki and (edited)

Nice. Thank you. We will probably clear out some of the units tomorrow

What would be best finish for plywood work table top? My default would be oil based poly

2:15 AM

What kind of paint was used on flex area work tables?

Could also glue 1/4" hardboard on top of lower grade plywood subsrtrate for the work tables (edited)

I'm still thinking replaceable hardboard tops. Those tops on the older tables have been destroyed and for some reason people arent willing to replace the whole plywood sheet.

The plywood is the most valuable component on the old 4x4 tables

Would hardboard need paint or anything to mitigate water damage?

I never had issues when I've use it in the past. There's a glossy side that was good enough. And if it gets really bad, you're out a few bucks for that section

Sounds good, 1/8 or 1/4 thick hardboard?

9:40 AM

Will pick up remaining supplies tomorrow to stage for Friday assembly

I'd think that gluing hardboard down would come with its own set of problems replacing it

Right that's why you'd only screw it

Yeah was thinking just using some countersunk screws

excellent

please no screw heads on top. Can we weld tabs to bottom

11:13 AM

this makes it easier to replace as screw heads dont get gunked up, grinded off , etc

11:13 AM

also screw heads wont mar your workpiece .

how do you propose securing thin material to the strength layer below?

11:16 AM

reasonably countersunk screw heads ought avoid damaging work pieces

With 1/4 inch we could counter sink deep enough to make it work. I could see them getting gunked but just break the hard top and grab some pliers

Or use torx head screws, which are tolerant of staggering abuse

I dont think the hard board is worth the effort

11:23 AM

Say just keep the plywood but just screw it from the bottom

Woodshop can buy its own worktables for Fine Woodworking grade projects

Screw from the bottom is the plan for plywood with or without extra hardboard. Thought was to do half hardboard and see what happens, would be easier than applying paint or finish to plywood

Less downtime to implement

You can countersink #6 screws into the 1/8", but the 1/4" will be more resistant to warping on the spans between screws. I think it's about 2x more expensive but it's still not bad

http://centralhardwoods.com/products/sheet_goods/hardboard I'm guessing s2s means smooth surface on both sides?

The point of the hardboard is to have something a member can replace when someone spills glue or resin on the tops, so they have a nice flat surface to work on. I'm thinking a stack of predrilled tops somewhere that are only expected to last a few weeks each

12:25 PM

Yeah, S2S is usually used for lumber, surfaced 2 sides or something. All sheet goods would technically be S2S...

We're here. Just helping CA for a bit. Let us know when you're here @pearce

Be about 20 mins

2:52 PM

2:53 PM

2:54 PM

Looks like 75% or more with expiration notices

I also took photos before they finished tagging, there's more

I'm over in 102, ready to move whatever we need

Can you count the number of 3/4 Birch sheets there?

The number of EOL Ryobi tools is distressing

Anyone know what this big metal thing is?

No idea

Peg leg for really tall pirate. (edited)

Really heavy scrap metal

@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium metal wat it for scrap?

I'd have to take a look in person

7:18 PM

Or bring it to me in digital media. Using their chair to take care of my muscle before I leave (edited)

There's no way we're bringing it to you lol

8:49 PM

8:50 PM

Clean tables

8:55 PM

This is the new freebie shelf? Is the pirate peg leg part of the freebie shelf booty?

That's a negative on the leg taller than I am

9:23 PM

Yes on new shelf

Not totally happy with the freebie shelf in it's new location. Might approach laser and see if they want to give up the table by the door so we can put the donation shelf back there since the table is almost always filled with automotive junk storage. (edited)

The table is not usually filled with automotive junk. I use it quite often for classes and projects, as do others

Every time I see it it has auto junk on it

3:06 AM

It had scotty B's saddle bags and motorcycle stuff on it for almost a week

3:06 AM

And has had air lines and random bits on it for the past few days

Did all the veneer on the freebee shelf get scooped up? That was nice stuff.

Looked like it. We didn't have to move it over

K

I'm about to request to Talk admins to be added to the Team Logistics tag. Anyone else want that? I can just add you to my request.

10:37 AM

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/g/Team_Logistics?filter=

Team logistics

sure

10:38 AM

they should just make @pearce the group owner

10:38 AM

then he can add/remove

10:38 AM

oh he is

10:38 AM

no need to bug admin

Yes it appears I can add members

Okay. Bugging Pearce now. Add me please.

@mell added.

11:51 AM

Anyone else?

me please

Done

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not sure if I'm going to be a Logistics regular or just work on the occasional project

The part of Dr. Dorian will be played by Eric, while the TurkCarla will be played by Logistics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0im2CW1jVaU

Jeff Beck

Scrubs J.D. and Laverne Get Roped In

I'd say Eric is more like Laverne

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A pallet of pallets, and a pallet jack on a pallet were delivered today.

5:16 PM

Thanks

That's so you can lift pallets while you lift pallets

man this Eric guy sounds familiar

I get that feeling sometimes too

But if you don't already have a pallet jack how do they deliver the pallet jack?

6:06 PM

This is like the scissors that need scissors to open.

Bigger pallet jack. One pallet on each leg

palletjackception

in before it becomes some ones 10X10

I feel like you missed a unit on the size guide

Math was never my strong suit... but phrasing was.

Thinking of trying out linseed oil as finish for work tables

the bundling of Rigid's tools doesn't seem so attractive to us as Ryobi where almost every tool is available bare

11:08 AM

in particular their bundles heavily feature highly undesirable single-series battery packs. these might work for the casual hobbyist that works leisurely projects during the summer on weekends but at DMS they're not going to hold up to our levels of intense, serial usage.

but if the replacements are free for a lifetime, maybe we don't care how well they hold up?

In my experience warranties are a pain in the a__ even if the company will stand behind them

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11:13 AM

in Rigid's case, they seem not to apply to organizations

@AGr b oil will not help protect the tables. The simplest finish would be a glossy wipe on poly. That projects against water, oil, grime & easy to apply.

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it appears to me rigid clearly does not intend for an organization to be the beneficiary of their generosity... Which isn't to say we couldn't get away with it...for some time...at the possible expense of some sucke....er...benevolent individual's rep with HomeDepot...

as in whoever gets to be It doing the RMAs?

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which tools are getting "worn" out and what activities are being involved in wearing them out is probably more important to determine than simply switching brands. If we have people using drills when they should be using impact drivers for automotive work, then yeah, wrong tool (but similar shape)

11:20 AM

ive used my ryobi hammerdrill driver for 3 years (2 of which using it nightly at work replacing battery straps, unbolting rack mounted gear etc) - looks / works the same as day 1.

11:20 AM

but I dont use it to unstick stuck bolts, thats the impact driver's job

the typical DIY'er seems not to understand the impact driver

11:23 AM

I didn't until I finally used one and realized that it allows flawless application of fasteners under conditions where a drill would be stripping screwheads and leaving you with a sore wrist

11:23 AM

thus, drills see a lot of abuse

11:24 AM

some of that from fasteners, but also from radial stress

11:29 AM

The 1/2" impacts see a lot of heavy use from automotive, although those may well be original based on the grime and wear

11:34 AM

Supplies are in for tables

might be worth marking all drills as "for drilling only" and the impacts as "not for drilling"

11:50 AM

plus only stocking impact bits

Forgot to put a sign on pieces before leaving, hopefully no one thinks they are on free shelf

there's a big sign saying the freebie shelf moved

Yeah, a whole 3 feet above

Yeah that's potentially bad placement

@aceat64 yeah, I'd just stock impact bits consistently, in quantity, and limit the selection of the short non-impact bits to a single 115-in-one set per year per toolbox

I’m here. Want me to tape a few of these on the stash?

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Perfect, some people might even read it.

@judy Kriehn that would be awesome thanks

Mission accomplished.

12:19 PM

Can you repost the time your construction party begins? Johnny asked and I only remembered Friday.

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/logistics-table-welding-party-6-7-9-30pm/56867

I see the enthusiast desire for better tool brands is all too present

metabo or bust!

we should get Wera hand tools (this is a joke)

Why did Logistics buy a hair dryer?

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1:06 PM

oh my! I thought you were joking!

I'm very confused... maybe somebody thought they were buying a heat gun.

Don't know

1:10 PM

Can you stash it away unopened until we can figure it out?

It is in the new common room at the mail station

Can you put it in the server room so we can return it unopened? Unless we get an actual reason for buying it

sure

Thanks. I'm sure it has a use as a low power heat gun, we just don't have any documentation for it

You don't think we should be stylin'?

I prefer to air dry

Not nuclear fission?

too harsh on my hair

He's gotta protect those beautiful blue locks.

Thats not how he got the beautiful blue glow?

1:21 PM

I was thinking he might be plugging the new bike into his helmet.

the blue is actually cherenkov radiation

ya

1:33 PM

about that chrenenkov radiation, no thanks, if you are ionizing air i dont want to be anywhere near you

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smart fella

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Anyone have a cheap metal cutoff saw they could loan logistics for friday? (I think metalshop no longer has one due to constant blade replacement) Would be easier than making 32 cuts by hand

3:12 PM

ie something like this

coldcut saw in machine shop not up to snuff?

Ah yeah I guess thats an option, would take longer and it tends to splash coolant everywhere, but would make excessively accurate cuts

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Diablo-7-1-4-in-x-48-TPI-Cermet-Steel-Demon-Ferrous-Metal-Cutting-Saw-Blade-D0748CFR/307789803 ?

Diablo 7-1/4 in. x 48 TPI Cermet Steel Demon Ferrous Metal Cutting...

Diablo’s new Steel Demon Cermet saw blade series is redefining metal cutting and the jobsite, by introducing safer, exclusive innovation that allows users to cut both mild and stainless steels for up

metal has a handbandsaw thats awesome

3:30 PM

@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium

we have a few options: horizontal bandsaw, a milwaukee portaband, diamond cutoff wheels for grinders, and a hand plasma

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also @AGr if you do borrow a saw like that, there may be a 14" diamond wheel stashed somewhere that was procured before the saw was not replaced on its last failure

3:46 PM

can look when I'm there next, or ping me and I'll give you a few places to check

I've compiled a list of stuff I've been getting from Costco in a Google Sheet. It has sku, online and instore pricing. Orders over $75 have free shipping. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NC6S_ellZ3gdsDOnKSIel6jeTlJhKhnh6pMfwii109o/edit?usp=sharing

Costco Pricing

Sheet1 product,SKU,Online,In Store Dixie 12 oz Paper Bowl, 175-count,1115,10.29 Dixie To Go 8 oz Insulated Cup, 160-count,783829,12.59,11.99 Dixie Ultra 20 oz Paper Bowl, 135-count,296917,11.99,10.79 Dixie Ultra 8 1/2 in Paper Plate, 285-count,1111166,19.29,18.49 Greenmade 2...

5:29 PM

@pearce do you want me to continue picking up paper goods at Costco.?We are very low on several items (edited)

If anyone wants to help build a list of workshop hand tools, tooling, and consumables ... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15sCA3-EgHap908s7s9YKwSRpb29p9uMR-2FIA3WNo3g/edit?usp=sharing

Google Sheets - create and edit spreadsheets online, for free.

Create a new spreadsheet and edit with others at the same time -- from your computer, phone or tablet. Get stuff done with or without an internet connection. Use Sheets to edit Excel files. Free from Google.

What if I just want to argue about it?

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Are there things we don't currently have on tool wall or the red toolbox that would need to be added?

My idea here is to nail down what goes into the toolbox/wall/whatnot

Punches, files, consumables like tape, zip ties, hot glue sticks?

The inventory in the current toolbox is leftovers from an apparent long period of neglect

9:00 PM

Whatever goes into the workshop on Logi budget and serves a wide variety of use cases

9:00 PM

So of those, files and tape ... sure. Not so certaim about zipties (auto tends to stock those) and glue sticks.

List is already better than my haphazard few Amazon links

Punches probably

9:01 PM

It's clearly incomplete

9:01 PM

But also some deliberate omissions

9:01 PM

Like sockets since automotive has those

9:02 PM

Also hesitant to stock many screwdriver bits, thus the common impact bits

Could also bring up the idea I once tried of free for members screws / bolts as consumables, but those are easier to abuse

If we stocked screws they'd be the absolute cheapest: drywall screws

9:03 PM

If someone wants stainless grip-rite torx screws they can go to the despot on their own dime

9:04 PM

Drill bits ... not gonna enumerate those since we buy those by the kilo

9:06 PM

Should maybe stock some quality quality harbor freight flashlights. Think they sell the COB LED lights for cheap enough now - they spit out more lumens than the trrrrrrrbllllll 9-LED versions.

9:08 PM

Broom station. Blue paper towels. Big stack of PPE was donated - and maybe not all walked off.

9:09 PM

As much as Ferman loves Rigid, they're surely not going to be cost-effective for workshops

Anyone know where the pop up tent went?

it's in committee storage

10:13 PM

bottom shelf/floor

10:13 PM

wedged between some stuff iirc

Yeah had found it

11:42 PM

Now anyone know where the new airhoses had gone?

11:42 PM

Also looks like one of my posts didn't succeed

11:42 PM

11:43 PM

the ones on the laser table?

Look what was at the freebie shelf

11:43 PM

Yeah those ones

we dont know what that is about

11:43 PM

it was there before the shelf got there so it wasnt dropped off (edited)

But anyway ant idea on those hoses?

last known spot was on the laser tables

11:44 PM

might have moved to 102?

Found one

11:45 PM

On automotive shelf

11:45 PM

But not with the fittings

11:45 PM

Will check next door

I'd really like to know who thought it was cool to leave a bucket of battery acid

11:46 PM

it was kinda hidden away on the shelf when we found it

I'd also like to know how they got a bucket of battery acid lol

11:48 PM

I'm guessing from a car battery

white bucket was inside the yellow one

@pearce do you want Stan to get Costco shit? Forks and bowls and shit?

does Parks stock anything that requires utensils/bowls/etc?

I'd say paper towels, toilet paper, any loose soap that we still stock

isn't cintas doing paper towels and toilet paper?

Paper towels at sinks only. not for general use in the shop, though people have been grabbing the big cintas rolls and taking them out there

11:14 AM

the TP is of the John Wayne variety...

well, sure.

do we have a copy of the contract so we can see what all is being paid for?

I've never seen it,

the only board minutes I'm finding for cintas are old ones about the first aid

11:16 AM

was it done at the committee level?

Dunno, never saw it. @pearce might want to check with the previous chair/vice-chair

Totally off topic, but do the animations (spinning heads, etc) indicate an admin?

nah, if you have discord nitro you can have an animated avatar

11:21 AM

so it just means I paid money to Discord

11:22 AM

it also lets me use emojis from other discord servers

11:23 AM

like this one

What the heck is that? A twerking pit bull?

dunno, I picked a random one from another server lol

It's so puny on my laptop screen, that it sorta looks like a dog, sorta like a polar bear, sorta like those dinosaurs-that-look-vaguely-hippo-like...

Yeah. I have "hover" over them, and try to decipher the intent from the popup

Andrew's spinning head keeps making me think of the pea-soup-spewing scene in The Exorcist

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Cintas was done at a committee level IIRC

12:47 PM

I had made a complaint about the "shell shock" crap they replaced the summit hand scrub with

12:48 PM

It's bad enough that multiple bottles of the summit stuff were broken open so people could use them. Cintas removed our dispenser from the wall to install theirs

12:49 PM

I personally have a personal little squeeze bottle of the stuff, but it shows how much people dislike the new stuff. Their sanitary soap / paper towel dispensers are nice, but the tp and scrub are terrible

@StanSimmons your list doesn't have # to be purchased, can you make it editable?

@pearce your gmail and dallasmakerspace accounts can edit it now

I've put together a Trello team and board for Logistics, it's publicly viewable. To join either request it via the website/app or let me know your Trello username/email. https://trello.com/dmslogistics

Trello

Organize anything, together. Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. In one glance, know what's being worked on, who's working on what, and where something is in a process.

aceat64 6/5/2019 1:31 PM

I'm not seeing how to request joining team on teh site

another tool, another set of credentials ...

I'm really bad about checking trellos but I've seen people do good work with them

1:41 PM

The space has a few other trellos as well.

1:42 PM

Does Trello have a way to make "projects" that are basically separate boards for each one but all in the same place? Kinda like discord here with the text channel for each committee

1:43 PM

If so DMS could probably benefit from a consolidated trello

looks like I have to add you, I thought there was a request access button

1:47 PM

@pearce it does, I've created a team, we can have multiple boards

1:47 PM

right now we just have the "General Tasks" board

1:47 PM

but we can totally make boards for big projects

We might see if we can talk one of the more invested boards like PR into mutating into a DMS board so they don't lose work (edited)

found a blog post that mentions self joining a board once you are already a member of that team

Oh I was referring to committees as projects

Trello have a concept of organizations, but that's a paid feature

1:50 PM

Orgs > Teams > Boards > Cards

https://help.trello.com/article/1024-invite-people-by-using-a-shareable-link

Inviting people by using a shareable link

You can invite others to your boards and teams by sharing a special link with them. When you go to add members to a board or team, you'll see "Invite people by

https://trello.com/invite/b/YbWzPngQ/b95660e58bdc867a10cba639d04fb9a0/general-tasks

Trello

Organize anything, together. Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. In one glance, know what's being worked on, who's working on what, and where something is in a process.

I used Trello when I was PR chair and IMO it was the perfect tool for what I needed. I didn't have a huge PR team but that was primarily how we communicated that designs were ready to go out or that orders were placed, etc. Had links to all working documents. And I posted the read only version to TALK.

I use Trello to organize sewing patterns and ToDo lists. It’s very flexible.

2:06 PM

My best friend and I can easily share our lists plus keep track of videos we each have.

@AGr I added you to the table card

waves hand

Ok, anyone who joins via the invite link I can add to team easily: https://trello.com/invite/b/YbWzPngQ/b95660e58bdc867a10cba639d04fb9a0/general-tasks

Trello

Organize anything, together. Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. In one glance, know what's being worked on, who's working on what, and where something is in a process.

aceat64 6/5/2019 2:37 PM

lol got it

just added you

ty

@pearce I just saw your response on Talk in the PM thread. If you don't want me doing the Costco runs, that's fine, but don't lie about it. (edited)

I told you twice when you asked me in person that you could buy papergoods if we were running out and that we would figure out how to to proceed with ordering on a subscription later.

No you did not

2:44 PM

You may have meant to, but you did not

Once in 3d fab when you approached me while fixing printers and another time in the kitchen.

2:45 PM

You mentioned people were stealing the cintas paper towels to take to the workshop

In the 3d lab, you told me to wait for the meeting.

Here's the listening problem, I told you to buy what was low to hold us over. And then we would figure out the rest at the meeting

When I told you about the paper towels you told me to pick some up while I was out. I picked up some at Home Depot when we got CA's flooring

But if this is how you are going to handle procurement, no I do not want you ordering for logistics

sigh

Don't get your back up over poor communications.

2:48 PM

I'm offering to help you out, doing stuff I've been doing for 2+ years and you are being a dick about it

Can we chock it up to failed communication and misunderstanding?

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2:49 PM

Fact, we need paper goods

2:49 PM

Fact, members get unhappy when we don't have them

I'm going to take care of it this afternoon

I added DMS to my Costco account 5-6 years ago. If you don't want me to keep using it, fine... less shit for me to deal with.

Sounds like a plan

FYI: don't order forks from ULine. they are short, weak and overpriced

https://www.cutting-mats.net/cutting-mats-4x8.html

Good grief those are expensive

Will be interesting to compare how the $14 hardboard holds up, would be $200 for a 4x8 cutting mat

3:26 PM

There is a mat on one of the 5x10 tables that's been there for a few years

Yeah that's why it was really upsetting when they got destroyed in the first week after donation

DMS workshop is a hostile environment

haha

they've had some hardboard floor protectors in the lobby of my building for about a month for ongoing renovations and they've held up well ... *shiny side down*

FYI: Cintas Defib machine is beeping.

Stop poking it

probably just low battery, iirc we have to charge it from time to time

I'd expect a primary cell

Cintas replaces the battery occasionally and had done so withing the last few months

Purchased some stuff from Costco. Will be at the space later tonight

4:39 PM

Should hold us over until an order can be made

Anyone plan on fixing a busted roboreel? The one that used to hang near automotive. Not sure why we didn't just toss it..

i diddnt think we coould fix them

Can we fix the bathroom stall door in the original women's restroom? Pleeezzzeee?

tonight, sorry absent minded

@canibalcrab I agree. Trash it is

Brings up electrical drop install in new areas, are we planning on having reels or only plugs at 7 or 8 feet you plug into?

11:30 PM

Would be nice to use same approach in all places and replace roboreels with whatever common approach

11:32 PM

Of course that's just electrical not air, ceiling mount air robo reels seem good, since you aren't pulling as hard on ceiling tile grid (no matter how well it's secured to roof structure)

Rich has a standard drop he's planning on using throughout the space, it's a twist lock plug on the cieling to a quad outlet box, the idea is to build a bunch in different lengths and have plugs around the flex area

11:34 PM

Not sure what's happening in the warehouse

So the quad box is on a table or floor or floating in air?

Good point, I'm not sure. He might be using it for fixed equipment where it can go on the floor. I assume we could make some to sit on tables.

Plausible, my drive by criticism would be these boxes would be hanging down in the way always and you'd need a ladder to disconnect them

Yeah, I assume that's been considered so I might be missing something from his explanation

box is mounted to roof, cords of various lengths are so you can do floor/table boxes

Do we still have a couple new roboreels sitting in boxes for the past 2 years or did they get used?

My understanding was that roof anchors would be installed to extend from the building roof to the drop ceiling at locations where the suspension grid intersect. The twist-lock plug boxes would be installed at the ceiling, and the variously sized drops would allow for connections where needed, without gigantic pools of cable to be trip-hazards on the floor. (I'm attempting to describe the drop by the big table in CA.)

Well that was uneventful. Just had to go to machine shop and get a bolt from the shelves. Didn't even need the drill

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@pearce I've repaired the robowheels before. The biggest issue that I couldn't fix was damaging the remotes. However, they are actually wireless and don'

2:57 AM

t need to be on the cable. Could inlay them into the table sides

cool

2:57 AM

sounds like it might have been tossed

@michaelb RMA it since RoboReel has such an awesome warranty?

http://roboreel.com/policy/warranty/ 4 years, 4k winds, whichever comes first...

it's not that I don't believe in warranties, it's just that outside of extraordinarily expensive goods like cars - where there's often service revenue associated with working on it - they've been nothing but a bitter disappointment for me

7:47 AM

which, incidentally, as much as I loathe car dealers this is a grudging argument for their existence as an independent entity - they've got more leverage extracting concessions from the OEM on your behalf than you do

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Yep. I've largely come to regard warranties as bog fodder (edited)

Although I do hear that despite their lack of terms in the published literature, Ruger stands behind their product like no other manufacturer

Ruger has OUTSTANDING customer support. Amazingly, KelTec does as well. Smith & Wesson I've had issues with.

Yeah, it's in the trash. Its been down for a month, so I figured no one was going to try and fix it. I'll keep the RMA in mind next time.

for all the hoopla about RoboReels, my sense is that the basic spring reels have lower TCO even if they need to be replaced or serviced more frequently

one wonders if the twistlock ceiling drops and hardwired pigtails will fare any better. at least we can service the pigtails on the other side of the outlet on our own.

Didn't we start out having these? How long did they last? https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200660257_200660257

Ironton Retractable Cord Reel — 40ft., 12/3, Triple Tap | North...

The Ironton® 40ft., 12/3 Retractable Cord Reel with Triple Tap features an impact-resistant polypropylene case that holds a 40ft., 12/3 SJT 15 Amp electrical cord with a triple tap for tangle free, easy winding as well as for protection during storage. Can be mounted on wall...

10:22 AM

October 2014

10:23 AM

maybe we took them down after work tables weren't clustered around columns like original design plan, dont recall

I recall the basic spring reels lasting a long time

10:23 AM

not sure if it was those or one of the cheaper 'zon brands

10:24 AM

I wonder how well mounting one of those to celing the same way I mounted the robo reels would work

10:26 AM

Is the next logistics meeting scheduled? I can put an item to purchase air and power reels above 104 workshop general tables

10:29 AM

Now that we have the lift on site, could mount pole directly to girder down through ceiling tiles, then have wires off that pole to steady lateral movement

We could set a quick meeting before offsiting on Sunday? I know Sundays are already packed for @pearce though.

Rich Myers bought a pole that is designed to attach wires to the girders from the floor, you don't even have to get the lift out. It is in the 102 server room, with the clips for the girders. Let me or Rich know if you want to use it, that way you won't have to move a bunch of stuff out of the way to get the lift in place.

@AGr the reason we wanted to try the roboreels was because the red wall mounted ones whipped around all the time. It was pretty dangerous

11:09 AM

We should get a meeting scheduled before the next board meeting. So before the 22nd?

yeah, but everyone complains about buying roboreels (~300), we could spend even more on reelcraft reels (400)

I know. You just asked why we switched

I dont remember if the cheap power reels we had originally actually failed or not before we got rid of them

One might have broken

11:18 AM

I only remember people just letting them fly

https://www.hydropneumatic.net/pneumatic-hose-reel-with-slow-retraction.html

Pneumatic Hose Reel with slow retraction - Compressed Air Hose Ree...

Manufacturer of Pneumatic Hose Reel with slow retraction - Compressed Air Hose Reels, Compressed Air Open Hose Reel offered by Luthra Hydro Pneumatic Industries, Mumbai, Maharashtra.

11:53 AM

made in sweden, so you know those'll be cheap... Wonder how they do it, though...

11:56 AM

https://hosereelsdirect.co/hosereels/ez-t-series another, probably not made in sweden...

EZ-Coil® T Series | Heavy duty slow spring retraction reel

The EZ-Coil® T Series industrial spring rewind reel equipped with Coxreels patented EZ Coil system which retracts up to 80% slower than conventional reels.

I mean they look good, easily replaceable hoses, slow retraction.

Unrelated to the momentary obsession with retracting air hoses, I went to the UNT Surplus Sale on Tuesday and scored four of these swivel-top stools for the budget-busting price of $10/each. They’re aren’t new, in fact NTSU is scribbled in marks-a-lot on the bottom of the seats, which means they are at least 31 years old. But sturdy as all get-out. Pearce indicated I should ask y’all if you think they are appropriate for the space. I took one into the flex area last night and used it while I finish scanning bins. Perfect height for me. I estimate they are the same height as the stool that Paul brought into the meeting last week. Or maybe it was the week before... If logistics wants these, I have a receipt for the purchase. If not, I retrieve the one I left in 102 and use them elsewhere in my life. No harm, no foul.

12:03 PM

And as far as the air hose situation goes, is life as we know it today going to come to a screeching halt if we don’t remedy a problem RIGHTTHISMINUTE? From what I’ve seen, they’ve been crappy/dysfunctional for some time. Maybe we should focus on fixing the stuff we’re already committed to before we add MORE stuff to Pearce’s plate?

those look fabulous for workshop usage

I love those stools, and remember them fondly (maybe even those particular ones, as a former attendee of NTSU, er, UNT)... I so regret watching the current regime throw out perfectly good stuff just 'cause it's old. Dumpsters and pallets of shit that just. still. works. getting tossed in favor of junque... sigh.... sorry. Particularly downer day. Rainbows and unicorns and myspace! OHMY!

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12:23 PM

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12:25 PM

Salivating much, Andrew?

indeed. in fact, I recall using those worktables. In p-lab and c-lab, if I recall properly. great equipment!

Solid oak legs. $35. If only I had a larger house. Or was outfitting my own biology lab.

yep. if only.

12:37 PM

i'll confess being mildly confused that furnture refurbing isn't bigger business, because I can guaratnee they're putting in mdf crapola that will be busted and useless in less than a decade...

12:38 PM

once that stuff is landfilled, it's g.o.n.e, friends. Show me your gree initiatives again?

12:40 PM

hm. wondering if i could found my own nonprofit to buy up, warehouse, and refurb this kind of thing, for the future, about 15 years from now once people realize how stupid they've been. Could be a nice retirement "thing to do" to refurb a warehouse full of 1960's/70's "furniture"...

I recall there are more roboreels in storage; wouldn't hurt to at least install the ones we have

or auction them off if we don't want to use them.

demo of slow retract https://youtu.be/TUD9pY7iNNg?t=111

Tecpro Australia

Ramex hose reel - Safety Slow Retraction System

1:07 PM

prices on the coxreels https://www.new-line.com/crimpers-reels/hose-reels/heavy-duty-spring-rewind-hose-reels-for-air-water-fluids/coxreels-ez-coil-slow-retracting-spring-rewind-hose-reel

and it's probably a fairly simple centrifugal governor in there I bet

1:24 PM

which is hopefully more robust

dunno. more curious how they do it than interested in having them, but... (sorry for spamming the channel; i'll shove off now)

Not entirely Logistics but related: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/standard-dms-drill-bit-library/57257/14

8:22 AM

TL;DR : for the workshop it looks like we really only need about a dozen drill bit sizes to realize most of the need for drilling pilot holes and through-holes in wood for common lag screws and bolts

Coming up with specific drill bit sizes to stock seems like overkill to me, why not just go with whatever comes in the standard cheap bulk set?

12:23 PM

The 32PCS 3/64",30PCS 1/16",30PCS 5/64",30PCS 3/32",20PCS 1/8",20PCS 9/64",12PCS 5/32",12PCS 11/64",12PCS 3/16",8PCS 7/32",4PCS 15/64",6PCS 1/4",4PCS 9/32",2PCS 5/16",3PCS 21/64",2PCS 23/64",1PCS 3/8",1PCS 1/2" with no number letter or metric options stocked

That's what I was thinking

12:30 PM

But I won't turn away someone wanting to make a buy list

on an unrelated logistics note, can we get a drop-box for LOTO keys? Right now we train people to stick them under the server room door if they need to leave the space. Something small, with a little keybox like the one metal / laser use

12:40 PM

all committee chairs could have access

12:40 PM

I've had people tag stuff out, but then not be able to wait around the space for someone to fix it

@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium maybe something like this:

12:51 PM

yeah for the drop key, or what we already use; it's the users dropping in keys I'm more concerned about

12:52 PM

we don't have a spot

or, better yet, make an rfid for a big keyring on a welded circle, and have it where admins can temp add someone to the permission list

1:49 PM

the lock out tag out locks should be available for all to grab sans badge

1:50 PM

the unlocker is the one to track

1:50 PM

though id suggest some kind of auto print like / akin to the storage thing, so we could get a date/time/user stamp

@doug.emes the current instruction is to use the storage kiosk to print a ticket with contact info for taping to the lock and key. The problem is them having a spot to leave the key if they need to leave the sapce

1:52 PM

anyone can walk up and grab a LOTO set currently

cool

each lock is individually keyed

ahhh

no one should have keys for locks other than the one they install

arguably none of the keys should be available

1:53 PM

ever

unless they can't stay for fixing it, in which case it gets up to the committee chair or member responsible to fix the machine

1:53 PM

no

1:53 PM

absolutely not

1:53 PM

they need to be available

1:53 PM

that's the point of LOTO

no

they are available to the person who needs to lock it

the point of lock out tag out is safety

proper loto locks are key retaining

1:54 PM

you can'

1:54 PM

t provide the lock without the key

1:54 PM

one man, one key, one lock

1:54 PM

that's the rule

the key on lockout then since were a multiple user place shoudl go into a timed or badged lockbox

the person locking it out is also usually the one that unlocks it

1:55 PM

the only reason we have to consider a key drop is for conditions that do not clear

1:55 PM

in metal shop for example we have users that lock the oven so they can setup larger projects or batch jobs, and clean the oven

1:55 PM

they are required to use a loto on the disconnect when working inside the oven

1:56 PM

and they remove it when they are done

the point im trying to illustrate is that once the key is disengaged from the lock, it should then be in a tracked timed videod or photod location

1:56 PM

if its in a pocket, it means we will end up losing them

1:56 PM

they go offsite

1:56 PM

etc

and loto keys are not supposed to be handed off except in exceptional circumstances

1:57 PM

like they have to leave

1:57 PM

or have to escalate it

1:57 PM

otherwise no one else is supposed to get access to that key

1:58 PM

otherwise someone will try to run the equipment

1:58 PM

I say this as someone who watched a member rip off the warnings and plug cover on a shorted sander and catch the belt on fire

1:58 PM

(this was before we had proper loto covers)

glorious

I still see people trying to bypass the hardware lockouts on occassion

1:59 PM

we can't trust they won't just use the key if they can find it

2:00 PM

we looked at individually locking RFID capable keyboxes and they are incredibly expensive. The locks themselves are cheap

2:00 PM

I've had a total of one key walk off in metal

2:00 PM

it was 4 hours labor inspecting the machine, and

2:01 PM

after clearing it some bolt cutters and 8 dollars

and my point is a culture thing. you tag, you lock, you put the key on the holder, and the facility system allows that user to input a minimum time for the lock

and that's not viable; often we don't know how long a lockout will last

2:02 PM

and at the same time, we still need to prevent people from getting the key once it expires if it runs long for example

2:03 PM

it's an overly complex system; KISS

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so the default can be 1day, the point is to make the key go somewhere specific, you guys are saying in another punch code lockbox, and im saying use our identift system we all aready HAVE TO HAVE

a key drop box that only chairs/bod or similar is all it needs

2:04 PM

$20 box, versus upkeep of another inhouse rfid system that to this day we still haven't gotten deployed properly

2:04 PM

that's what I'm getting at

im extremely anti using physical code lockboxes, but ive stated my opinion. i really do appreciate your effort in trying to increase physical safety of members

@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I don't see why we can't get a box, find a solution and we can take it to a meeting

2:09 PM

For whatever y'all decide. It sounds like there's some debate

@doug.emes I understand the concern, but in the end it don't need but a handful of people that can open the box, as it's only for the exceptional case that the person locking it out is not the person that puts the equipment back in service. In all honesty it could be a key and we add it to the admin keybox in the server room, or we just cut drop slots in existing committees' locked areas

2:13 PM

there are options, but IMHO there are usually only a handful of people that would be qualified to override lock outs in each area. Given that it is a very rare case I'd rather we not over complicate it

2:14 PM

like in metal there are maybe 4 people, including myself, that would be able to do it for any machine in metal (Tim, Freddy, Charles, and myself) and a couple more with a restricted set of tools.

2:14 PM

I'm not trying to persuade you at this point, just providing background since I feel this should be discussed in the future

i gotcha

2:15 PM

and im saying a large part of a new culture of safety is to enable ANYONE to lock out a machine

and anyone can lockout a machine

2:15 PM

the concern is the exceptional case that the person who did not lock it is the one that unlocks it

if you polled the DMS (non metal shop) what kind of response would you get on it currently?

no idea

2:16 PM

we provide LOTO training in metal as part of some classes

because i forsee laser needing it immediately, die sub possibly, certainly many things in woodshop

it needs to be more known to the space as a whole

yep yep

woodshop some members are comfortable, but def not all

2:16 PM

sometimes a committee member will call someone at the space to perform a lockout

2:16 PM

and they'll drop the key for a committee member in the server room or some other area

2:17 PM

which is what we do when a member in metal needs to lock something out due to a hazard, but can't stick around

2:17 PM

they just slide the key under the server room door currently

2:17 PM

but I'd rather have a drop box, like right next to the LOTO tools

im mostly there as well

logistics already has a LOTO set for members to grab as needed

2:18 PM

it's on the tool wall next to the cintas box in front of automotive

2:18 PM

small bag

2:18 PM

I'd rather we make a nicer, easier to see lock out station (we could make the station; they're way too expensive to want to buy one for what's just a glorified hanging rack for padlocks)

handgun safes come to mind

woah

2:25 PM

just found what may be a perfect one (negating cost, could probably make something like it without too much trouble): https://www.amazon.com/Brady-Combined-Lockout-Station-Padlocks/dp/B003XU7HUA/ref=sr_1_14?keywords=loto+station&qid=1559935137&s=gateway&sr=8-14 (edited)

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2:25 PM

has a key drop on a bottom that supports a group / supervisor grab for keft keys

2:27 PM

could place an admin lock on the bottom section

@AGr i wont be able to make it to the welding tonight. apologies

2:45 PM

i can help with any follow up on sunday

No problem should be others there, I'm planning on rearranging current general work area tables to install new ones as discussed in meeting, I'm assuming you approve

the long ones?

the not quite 5x10 tables on casters

if you are moving stuff, plan on us having the pallet racks up in the science and vector area

2:50 PM

the walls need to have stuff moved off them, the cubical walls and such

yeah, part will be putting some othe various things on tables onto pallets, including the clearing the spot where racks would go

yes, thanks. can you distribute pallets to the current spots first

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11:55 AM

Big thanks to everyone who helped out

11:55 AM

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11:56 AM

Meant to put a gloss top coat of paint on the primer, but that was not realistic in one night

Those look so good.

To those who worked on it.

Awesome

wow

Nicely done!

Just got the feet, will install tomorrow

We will likely need a box truck and boxes from home Depot for tomorrow

Lady from jewelry says she accidently broke a ceiling tile while getting her stuff off the shelf. She says no worries she is okay but wanted logistics to know.

Can replace tomorrow

8:00 PM

Or if it's from the stack, no worries

What time for off siting tomorrow?

2pm

It's not on the calendar

off siting is on all the notices

i tried to put the stuff in the bins back on the shelves. if possible people were asking for internet on the back table in new common room. says the internet doesnt seem strong there. also out of markers.

internet is infra

New common has 4 dedicated ethernet drops all tested. If wifi isn't up to snuff we'll get an ap mounted nearby

this is an #infrastructure question, but any plans to install ports for the presumed under-table common room switches as opposed to loose cables?

assume you mean setting ports on the top of the table connected to the switch?

10:46 AM

i think its doable

Is anyone at the space and able to check the dumpster and how full it is (edited)

in about 30 minutes

104 dumpster is about 3/4. 102 dumpster is about 1/2.

Thanks

Maybe we should bring the pop up to the storage unit with the truck

The wind in insane, microburst broke part of my fence

NWS is saying 70 MPH wind gusts.

Upside down pallet works great

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Waited a bit for the weather to clear up near me but on my way now.

This person just brought their stuff back from off site

put a notice that it will be dumpstered

File a formal complaint.

Also no name

I vote dumpster, that's a dick move on their part

How do they have a slip? It’s blank?

4:46 PM

Yeah.

4:46 PM

They’re violating storage policies like all of them.

yeah no name, then no storage. take it out

5:15 PM

they took something back from offstite storage, don't have a ticket / name down, what else can they expect?

6:25 PM

Will be interesting to see if paint is worth the cost in making top more durable

6:26 PM

Buying a bunch of 1/8 hardboard would be just $8 a sheet

A $500 component will blow first to protect a $0.05 fuse

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8:29 PM

So many spots

Lotsa space in the “personal storage” bins as well. There are 18 slots currently available and 17 empty bins. More space will be opening soon as I hear from the owners of the bin contents regarding their options. Yee-ha!

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Thanks @judy Kriehn !

Yay Judy!

Several tow tags went out on cars that hadn't moved in 48 hours.

10:01 PM

So many project storage slots are open

10:02 PM

So much stuff thrown away from off site. When power comes back on at home, I will post pictures and a document of who is in violation of storage

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10:21 PM

For $93 could buy rolls of 48" wide butcher paper, that would cover table top ~125 times

Could get one and see how long it lasts.

10:23 PM

It's potentially a years worth

10:24 PM

Appx 2x a week

We have a 30" wide butcher paper roll right now, question is if full 48" width or doing two lengths of 30" wide to cover table is better

@pearce was looking at how to best mount roll we have, uline has cheapest roll dispenser I could find at $44, do you want to sent this to a procurement officer to order a dispenser and extra roll for $103? https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-192/Cutters-and-Dispensers/Horizontal-Paper-Cutter-30 and https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-11460/Specialty-Paper/Butcher-Paper-Roll-White-30-x-1100

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Careful with that "u word"

Other option is no dispenser with a bar to help cut it, and can use a $4 dowel rod and 3d printed bracket to mount roll we have under table

I feel like we could mount a bar easily

I've had bad experiences with that style of paper roll. I feel like we could do better.

was about to start printing this, and just mount it with no built in way to cut the paper

Get dibbies on the next broken bandsaw blade. Make a ripper bar with that (edited)

@pearce "off siting is on all the notices" which went without notice on the calendar or talk, breaking precedent from the last 2+ years.

I also spoke to you in person and everyone was called (edited)

@gorman I spoke to you in person last week and you were given notice. You also had a message on you're phone.

I have no recollection of posting offsiting days as calendar events when I was Logistics Chair

@pearce @Alex Rhodes yes, I happened to be there during the traditional logistics renewal meeting. You changed that. Only announcements were in this sparsely attended forum.

8:41 AM

Yes, you called.

8:42 AM

Everyone have a number?

8:42 AM

Didn't see any other notification

8:44 AM

@ESmith didn't include you

8:45 AM

Whatever

8:45 AM

Makes for greater discord, broken feelings, and more work. Not building team.

Sure seems like there's more of a team, more open discussion, and more equal enforcement of the rules than anything we've seen in years

@john a gorman we called every single expired ticket.

Direct notification seems way better than a entry on the calendar. How many people using storage would even think to check the calendar, let alone realize that their stuff was going to be off-sited?

I found that emails helped immensely

9:04 AM

Send to Logistics, BCC all those being evicted with a generic email. A kiosk system can probably be even more targeted and specific.

If we have the kiosk code somewhere, ideally GitHub, I can add automated emails

It was additional time to email, however it drove up compliance appreciably

9:07 AM

automating the process would be fantastic

Seems like phone calls had a similar effect this time

9:10 AM

Automated email plus phone calls would likely yield the best results

true, although I expect phone calls to be less effective than emails or texts

Ooh, I could also send texts automatically

9:14 AM

Then we could eliminate the human component

Or drive to everyone’s home, hat in hand and say “DUDE! MOVE YOUR STUFF!”

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phone calls people often disregard - even voicemails. texts are unlimited for most now so that seems to have a tendency to be read although with SMS spam being a thing might not be read. email people don't seem terribly protective of although they might be tagging as spam.

9:15 AM

Nick Sainz had a cheap service for auto-calling people - I gather it was a little more to SMS

Looks like twillio is $1/mo and $0.01/text

I did a good bit of the calling and was actually surprised with the number of people who answered instead of it hitting voicemail. It was higher than I thought it would be.

It's actually less, but I rounded up

Automated system sounds ideal.

Kiosk is python I think? Should be trivial for me to add stuff if it is, just need the source code

9:22 AM

I likely won't have time to do that part for a few weeks, but I can make time to write code if someone can grab it for me

I'll go down and get it later today

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@AGr has his version on GitHub, the current version is a modification of it

Using the DMS phone, with "Dallas Makerspace" as the Caller ID probably helped with that. Our DMS number, 214.699.6537 is also SMS enabled thru VoIP.ms if we want to send out SMS

I would say compliance was very high, since so many spots were cleared out before off site day.

Bill Gee was the last person to touch the current code on the Storage Kiosk

dang, looks like VoIP.ms only supports SIP for sending SMS, not a nice REST API

its in the plans for 2019, just not before late july for me to comb over the freepbx were running

FreePBX has a REST API.

we currently have 3 numbers that are SMS enabled on VoIP.ms. We also have two toll free numbers that do not have SMS.

12:38 PM

from the VoIP.ms wiki... SMS Service is in BETA phase. Short Message Service (SMS). This feature will allow you to send and receive messages with your DID Number (US and Canada DID Numbers Only). Currently it is in beta and will remain free until further notice. Please note that this feature is for regular customer usage. No automation, telemarketing, bulk sending or receiving will be allowed.

Nick was saying the texts worked pretty well

I think he was using Twilio. We also have a Twilio account

yeah, twilio's API seems pretty easy, and they have a python library

An update to the kiosk could enable that easily enough

I now have a verified backup of the Storage Pi. Let me know if you need a copy of it for updates/development

Nice

1:52 PM

Can you upload it to the dms GitHub?

1:52 PM

Sans rfid records probably a good idea

Not being a Linux guy, I wouldn't know where to begin to get what is needed.

Same

I'll see if @yashsedai has some bandwidth

what format is the data right now? I have some time to dig into it if you can send it

I PM'd you login info to the backup storage pi. Nothing is running on it right now.

copying to my system now, it seems like this code hasn't been touched since sep 2017 so I might rewrite lol

We can't do this to the dumpster they won't pick it up

post to talk as well, the more you know...

is it possible that the wind blew it from out of trash? Would hope that someone wouldn't intentionally put trash bags on the lid in mid air

No I got word it was dumpster divers

thats annoying

Diving for what? Stuff you trashed from offsite?

No pickup until Wednesday?

3:46 PM

I can't blame someone for wanting some of that wood, it was nice stuff. But I can't imagine anyone would dive for it and just leave a mess like that...

That particular bin is -supposed- to be emptied Tuesday/Thursday, and the other Monday/Friday, but Stan says the drivers never get it right.

Our trash drivers are "special".

special or lazy... or both

@pearce I found the setup for DMSSurplus@ on our phone system. It was setup for Luke S to sell stuff, but wasn't used much.

10:10 PM

972.798.4666 is the number, it goes to an IVR that emails the Voice Mail to the group DMSSurplus@DallasMakerspace.org It also forwards any SMS Text to the same email. Do you want me to add you to the DMSSurplus group?

Sure

Which email?

10:30 PM

canibalcrab@dallasmakerspace.org?

You should have a test SMS at that email

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11:59 PM

Mounted with a safety cutter on a string

Pretty!!

Should we throw out some dates for next logistics meeting? Was going to put a few spending requests on it

Yes. It should be before the 22nd

12:02 PM

(next board meeting)

6/19 9pm

Bit late, we took the whole 2 hours I scheduled last time (edited)

12:04 PM

Its not a Thursday though, so people will be happy with that. Let's let some people chime in and try for 730-8

Guess I need to finish the stock list I got started on

2:05 PM

any reason not to transition 104 workshop to hammer drills and shift the remaining drills to 102 flex?

2:05 PM

102 workshop could perhaps wait several months

2:06 PM

also, Frank has done some footwork on getting bulk drill bits quoted - perhaps we should blow some Logi cash on that

Does anyone actually use hammering function on drills like these? https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-Cordless-1-2-in-Hammer-Drill-Driver-Tool-Only-with-Handle-P214/206666886

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don't know, however they have better specs than the pack-in drills, no?

2:30 PM

ryobi's own website won't say other than different RPM range and "heavy duty" chuck on the hammer drill

2:30 PM

important thing is that the hammer drill is part of the twofer promotion

lol

2:31 PM

their "hammer" function

2:31 PM

its cute

Relative to that Bosch I'm sure it is decidedly cute

lol

2:31 PM

i wasn't even comparing it

2:31 PM

just in general its like an angry bee

2:31 PM

that bosch is insanity

what we really want are drills that will last for a bit longer than the remnants of kit drills

well

2:32 PM

you wouldnt like my solution

which is what, hand drills?

buy corded drills with keyed chucks

2:33 PM

it prevents willy nilly abuse AND reduces cost

2:33 PM

i've seen some unholy things done with the cordless drills

downside, it means more plug/cord abuse

those will last longer but won't be as useful since power doesn't go everywhere and are a bit scarce

its a 50/50 problem, buy more cordless watch them die faster/invest in infrastructure and see longer life

2:34 PM

i know it won't happen

2:34 PM

but I do see users having to actually think about what they are doing if using it. the big if, is IF we had power at every table it would be no big deal

we keep buying roboreels for power

roboreels need to die

2:35 PM

those things are trash

not a fan myself

clutched reels are fine

2:35 PM

but not cheap

power at every bench would be very nice

2:36 PM

but that also either demands static workbenches or more modular dangling power than we've presently got

well, if you considered it seriously the world is your oyster in the 102 side

we recently got some 'more static' work benches

the new and improved 104 worktables aren't going to move around a lot

as far as 104, a hanging drop there wouldn't be unreasonable

102 side has previous little non-committee workspace in the workshop; flex area yeah a lot of space

2:37 PM

we still want cordless for mobility

i know

perhaps less so the primary power tools since they're inherently more expensive

@pearce do you want to request a procurement officer purchase 2 more rolls of butcher paper for $120? (as chair you uniquely have ability to request small purchases from committee funds) https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-11460/Specialty-Paper/Butcher-Paper-Roll-White-30-x-1100

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Also with no objection in next 30 minutes I'll submit logistics meeting to calendar for 6/19 8pm - 9:30pm

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That's still too late for a meeting

1:40 PM

There's something like 4 rolls of paper on the logistics shelf

how do I cancel something I already clicked submit on in calendar but hasn't shown up yet?

1:44 PM

didn't realize there were more rolls, I'll print more holders, are they in a box?

1:45 PM

I cancelled event I submitted

They are small long boxes

1:59 PM

Small rolls, but enough to hold us off for a bit.

1:59 PM

Did you decide the 48" wasn't worth it?

Holder would protrude on each side some which might be annoying, there is only slightly less than 36" between the legs, so to allow roll to sit somewhat inside legs need to go with the 30"

How did we do this

NSFW

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I bought one that did that one the first time I heated it up. Then the b**ch asst manager refused to do an exchange because "it was used."

8:38 PM

@AGr - could you install one of the rolls at the end a table where it would be visible walking in from the hallway? I had to look hard to find the installation from last night when I walked through today. Table users that aren't that motivated to find a paper roll might skip that step altogether if it doesn't scream "HEY I'M PAPER! USE ME!"

9:21 PM

Betting it got dropped,this is one of my 2 at the house for Jen.

Sure, I can flip the table around, might be a few days before I'm at DMS again

9:41 PM

Can use this lift cart and upside down pallet and anyone could flip it around

Whos at the space right now

Whatcha need?

Werw you aware the member meeting was going to be 50% discussion of paid vs unpaid storage?

is there an agenda?

According to Cairenn

if you can decipher:

3:47 PM

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/members-discussion-meeting-on-friday-june-14-2019/57599

Half about honorarium half about storage

No one has put anymore proposals on the logistics working document https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/help-write-a-proposal-for-paid-storage/56826

what does that have to do with talking about it in the hallways @ DMS the only official method of communicating where you would know about it if you were ever there and stuff, huh?

Tin can phones and twine

@StanSimmons I'm dumb. I asked that and then started driving.

4:07 PM

4:08 PM

She's upset I cleaned out storage, they also won't participate in the storage threads we have already proposed

But that's her personal issue, and I don't feel it's fair to make it one half of the meeting, especially because she isn't in charge.

Man I didn't want to go to the space tomorrow

What I don't understand is why if there was a plan - why none of the people who claim to know it haven't written it down for submission in the ensuing weeks since the original Logistics election.

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Yep

4:13 PM

They keep spreading rumors about what we are going to do with it too

FYI, I started measuring things. I'm having trouble figuring out where they were all going to go without blocking fire exit aisles...

4:28 PM

@Lavarocks - can you help me do some measuring this evening before or after the CA meeting? I just need to measure the space in front of science/vector and in front of Printmaking.\

Yeah, there's an issue with committees taking more floor space than intended. We are going to have to take back some shelf space from them

oh, I'm sure that they will be over joyed ... but it is understandable ...

@judy Kriehn apparently I kicked a puppy or something because my ac just went out so I get to wait for the ac guy and wont be at the meeting.

Boooo. I hate when A/C abandons you in a time of need.

Its fishy because we had someone out on Monday and they said the capacitor could go out any day. Yeah, mysteriously.

Was it AAAppliance? They condemned my heater, telling me that there was a crack in the heat exchanger. I called for quotes. The second contractor said he wanted to see the crack before he submitted a bid. Then called me over to watch as he erased the "crack" with his pencil eraser. (edited)

Oh wow

4:53 PM

At least my two days without AC was fixed by the return of power

It was Baker brothers

4:58 PM

Great service my ass

lool

Booth Mechanical is mine. Called them out years ago to fix the a/c unit on recommendation of neighbors. They proposed two solutions, one more budget friendly than the other. Went with that one because unit was less than 10 yrs old. Haven't used them since. The Fast forward to this year... Furnace is 21 years old, making a noise. Service guy who's been with them for 20 yrs fixes problem just by standing there and intimidating it. Leaves without even charging me. Says "call us when it does such and such."

Sometimes you just have to stare down your appliances

5:25 PM

I follow up with "don't make me tie you to a railroad track"

I honestly just need to learn to fix shit myself

5:32 PM

The capacitor installation is 200 when we could do it for parts only

5:32 PM

But we dont want to sleep in a 90 degree house tonight so

5:38 PM

And its fixed...

Worth it

Some problems can be solved with money

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Like so many things solved at unlisted meetings and not documented, the details behind the previous Logistics new storage plan remain elusive, possibly deliberately so (edited)

Have any of you guys actually asked Kris?

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Many did, at the election meeting

Since then?

"Free bins for the disadvantaged" was the main consistent point

Ok, I'll rephrase... Have you asked her?

The question was posed at the meeting. Many times. Details were not forthcoming although much guilt-tripping was for not being at whatever meeting this big plan allegedly occurred at in the past.

9:22 PM

There was an outline of a plan as a BoD proposal that wasn't moved on

So... that would be a "No".

9:26 PM

It might be worth the effort to contact her, no matter how much you dislike her.

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I thought Carienn or someone in the meeting had sad they were going to do that

You're entrusting her as messenger?

BAHAHHAAHAHAHA

10:50 PM

i nearly spit my drink

The fact that nobody has asked Kris says it all

what does it say?

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/bod-agenda-4-15-19-storage-solutions/54271

11:28 PM

Added to document ....

That is known information

that plan has a lot of room for clarification 1. how many crates can a member have? it says more than one "as room allows" what's the way to determine that? 2. How many free crates does a teacher get? Do they go away if they stop teaching? Can I teach 3 classes one month and be good for a year? 3. How many free crates does a committee get? I'm sure there's more but that's off the top of my head

Not to mention the agreement that would have to be drawn up

4. How will we track when the term expires for a crate and how will we deal with them? 5. How will we deal with members who buy a crate/spot and then drop their membership?

11:33 PM

for reference this is the complete storage policy right now: https://dallasmakerspace.org/w/images/f/fe/Project_Storage_1.0_2016-04-30.pdf

11:34 PM

if there's a more fleshed out document for Kris' idea, great, but the onus is on whoever wants that system to find it and put it up as a proposal

"Racks are available in every area" what racks and where exactly? is every committee going to give up 100 square feet to but a rack of 15 bins in their area?

I don't know of a better argument that the original plan was clearly not thought through than the aparant fact that we don't have enough space for the bins that were bought in the first place.

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we would if we completely replaced all current project storage shelving, but that is a very bad idea

Since it wasnt thought through, who cares what it was. Throw it out and we'll come up with a better plan. Which is what we're doing.

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Yes she said in the meeting that it would replace all of project storage

Can we return the bins? Some of the bins?

12:19 AM

How many are there?

About 300

308

~300, 5 pallets I think

Some have been used which is questionable

What did they cost?

But it looks like mostly for logistics stuff like moving the old front room

$8.49@

oof

12:22 AM

And under the Kris proposal anyone on the starving hacker (10% of membership, approx 220 people) rate would be eligible for bins at no cost.

According to a talk post expansion paid $2614.92 for them

I would like to see documentation on them.

12:24 AM

We are having trouble from the bookkeeper about capitol expenses for less than the amount of those bins

You mean purchases over $1000 and last more than a year need Board's okay?

12:25 AM

There was no board vote on the bins

Personally I'm curious why they were paid from expansion while the implementation was brought up with logistics, but for now I'll assume there's a good reason..

There are things part of the expansion plan that are for committees. For example, I believe expansion is paying for part of the fume hood exhaust.

12:29 AM

Storage was planned for in the expansion plans

Not the bins....

@Draco oh, were they in the budget?

OHHHH

@Draco I don't really agree with the analogy but I appreciate the explanation, I hope it proves true

As the Expansion Account is negative several thousand dollars, who knows?

V2 of butcher paper roll holder, after installing first one realized there wasn't enough clearance to drill and tap the holes in the back, so can instead mount it to front face, easy access to drill and tap. And leaves enough space in all dimensions for a full 1,100' 8" diameter spool to be loaded

1:26 AM

@pearce the jackets we left on the caravan after offsiting got put in project storage, no ticket attached.

5:58 PM

Allen said 'if they're going to get rid (offsite) of things not stored correctly, we might as well take them up on the offer'

oh i thought they got brought in

Paper towels?

1:00 PM

@pearce ?

Do we not have them delivered?

No, I used to pick them up from Costco every two weeks or so.

1:17 PM

... on May 5 Pearce forbid me from buying anything for Logistics. He is chair, so that is his prerogative, and now his problem.

I assume these are the non-cintas towels we're out of?

Yep

Crap, I'm doing a resin pour class and use paper towels like a bunch

There's a bunch in the storage room if you haven't checked tbere

2:37 PM

Your list didn't have numbers for me to go off of

as in whats burn rate and desired stock level? depends on how often they are replenished

There are no paper towel rolls in the storage room, unless you count the Cintas huge rolls

3:18 PM

I usually bought between 2 and 5 cases of paper towel every week and a half or two weeks, depending on usage rates... which vary wildly.

3:21 PM

Use of paper goods at DMS varies a lot depending on classes, etc. there is no dependable stocking level. I just tried to do a Costco run every 1.5-2 weeks depending on when any particular item was running low. That does require checking stocks at least every few days. (edited)

3:25 PM

@Lavarocks there are a few packs of z-fold paper towels in the storage room that you can use

@pearce We also appear to be out of Sharpie pens

Also red solo cups and “hot cups”

Duuuuuude

Dunno what a hot cup is, but there's a plethora of questionable ownership coffee mugs above the sink

https://www.costco.com/Dixie-To-Go-8-oz-Insulated-Cup%2c-160-count.product.100381459.html

Ah

4:02 PM

See coffee mugs

So you don't think we need paper cups for hot drinks?

4:05 PM

They also get used for mixing resins and glues, etc.

I know I'm able to bring my own cups for resins because I know the process ruins many cups.

4:08 PM

I also don't think solo cups or "hot cups" are appropriate for that anyway

Lots of us bring our own cups for drinks. With lids.

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4:10 PM

@stephenie as we should. It's much better for everyone and doesn't create a ton of excess trash that doesn't get recycled, on top of excess costs that people just assume the dms will handle

We definitely have a trash-to-dumpster problem. Overflowing cans in the kitchen on weekends.

I wonder if we could get a class on making custom handles for personal food cutlery sets. Could have a follow up class on how to make a storage case out of leather.

We provide food that requires cutlerly

4:16 PM

Kinda need to get some

You mean Parks food?

Yeah

Ah ok, haven't noticed/bought any myself

Yeah there's yogurt for one. I thought parks had their own stuff but I've never noticed.

I bet we could tell them not to stock whatever requires cutlery.

The red cups are nice as water cooler type cups, but I was pretty surprised when I first realized DMS was stocking them. Same with cutlery

Or provide some disposable stuff with it?

Nice.

(edited)

Given that we require members be on site for certain things it would be a bad idea to get rid of those types of things

4:20 PM

Long print jobs or oven jobs for example

4:20 PM

Someone may be here all night. Delivery services are a problem

Just brainstorming

Members get value out of that service

In a group of makers I would expect people to be able to bring their own cutlery. Or at least find a solution. Which is why I mentioned the class, or classes for them. Getting a camp set is very in expensive

The real question here is wether that added value is worth the cost of keeping stuff stocked. I'm not sure it is

Penny wise and pound foolish

I can see cups being more useful, but if we are using the drinking cups for mixing resin. And paints and glues. We have another problem

Do we still have a water bottle filler since the water fountain moved?

yes

Yay good

both the fountain/filler and the ice maker are filtered water

Good deal

We could make a little dispenser for it. Doesn't need a training group or anything, but adds a personal sense of accountability to not be wasteful

4:25 PM

I don't mind designing it

4:25 PM

Doesn't need a cost

4:26 PM

But someone would get the feels of bad when taking a lot

4:26 PM

Slash not using it when needed

For cups?

For cups or cutlery?

Cutlerly.

4:26 PM

So not for mixing of resins

4:26 PM

And still encourage people to bring some

4:27 PM

It's just a sense of responsibility to not be wasteful

who is going to keep it full?

4:28 PM

I've been keeping the cutlery holder in the drawer full, but some yoyo keeps dumping a whole box of spoons in there.

Cups mayhaps as well

4:29 PM

Or maybe we just get thinner / smaller cups for water not suited for resin

Dont we already have a cup dispenser?

Was referring to my idea of making someone scan for one. It's not a cost but it adds a sense of accountability

4:30 PM

To not grab a handful for a making project when they're really for water etc

Lets get RFID on tools first....

Of course, but it is an option in the longer term. I could make this out of a door controller instead since there is no current sensing or other conplexities

That's fine if you're not going to offer them anymore but dont be a jerk and just let them run out. I didnt bring my cup today and would have had brought mine.

ay

4:35 PM

i dont have a 6th sense for red cups

4:36 PM

am working on getting more

Also, saying we should bring our own cutlery- well makers could bring their own tools and dont need 12k from the board. (edited)

but i see a large trend on the consumables in the kitchen just being wasted

4:37 PM

i dont expect members to bring their own non disposable tools

4:37 PM

apples and oranges

I like hyperbole

Given that some members have to come a long way, have disabilities, not their own car to drive here, or the myriad of other reasons that can make a long stay here problematic I don't think it's prudent for not having some plasticware etc

We offer blue tape, gloves etc

Delivery after hours here is problematic, we have people already that have to ride their bikes / walk etc, and others that have enough consumables being brought in

might have to just use the cintas rolls for today

Quick unrelated q on cintas: their "shellshock" scrub is ineffective compared to the stuff we had. Some people have already been breaking open the containers of summit stuff to use it instead. Can I just go ahead and remount the summit dispenser? Not necessarily take the cintas one down, but if people are gonna keep using the summit at least it won't get all over the water heater and floor, or have people sticking their hands into the container. All of which is currently happening

4:48 PM

I don't know why we bothered to remove it to try the cintas stuff, should have had both and seen direct comparisons

thats fine if you can remount it in a stud

4:48 PM

or use the right anchors

4:48 PM

you know what you are doing with it

Yeah it's easy enough

Magic

we say its easy enough... the last person who owned my house used deck screws for everything. hang a picture? deck screw. replace air filter screw? deck screw.

And the dispenser appears to have walked off in the interim since it was unmounted for the cintas one

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only related to @pearce 's comment: When I bought my house, every lightbulb had been downgraded to 40w bulbs and the walls, ceilings and woodwork were uniformly painted a rather intense lemon yellow. At night, it was like living in a giant bug light.

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8:50 PM

Done

8:50 PM

That sink looks way dirtier in pictures

Deck screws > sheetrock screws. Unless you're installing into sheetrock in which case you're gonna want sheetrock anchors. (edited)

10:25 PM

Logistics used to stock sheetrock screws just because they were cheap and sufficiently terrible that they didn't get consumed very quickly

12:44 AM

Had to improvise the rods for the Kraft paper rolls, which don't have a standard spool center

What can we do to deter leaving glueups on tables?

1:20 AM

I thought an empty pallet would be obvious

We're expecting them to go under the table, right?

Anywhere but on the table, give it 20 minutes and then can move it before you leave

Yeah the 20 minute deal is probably a cultural thing, I would guess most people are used to leaving a glue up alone overnight (edited)

1:24 AM

Glue up on the pallet (or a sheet of MDF on a pallet) and drop it down for storage? Using a hydraulic cart?

Wood glue doesn't take that long, could put no leaving glue ups signs on all table tops, but then it would be covered by the paper (edited)

By paper and glue ups

1:26 AM

I'm thinking that if someone has the mentality that they need to leave it alone overnight (even if that's wrong) there's not much we can do. In that case woodshop needs to start telling people how to deal with it in classes

Leads into general problem of how best to communicate logistics rules, like if we change storage at all, how can we educate the random member who comes up and doesn't care to follow talk or anything

I know Bert has run into similar issues on the multicam. He's tried that giant TV, no idea how well it's working. Communication is difficult around here

Which giant tv? We could certainly try that. Would be worth a shot.

Greg donated an unused large screen tv and mounted it on the wall at the foot of the Multicam. Bert made a list of procedures that needed to be communicated, I did a series of slides to illustrate the instructions, and it is in a rotating display.

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Understood. But maybe we can put info up on rotation on other tvs around the space like @stephenie was doing for other things?

given the topics @ hand, specifically: 1. Should {anyone} be allowed to spend DMS funds on Food 2. Should logistics stock utensils, cups, etc. for foodstuffs 3. Should logistics stock utensils for other activities, e.g. resin mixing I am finding myself wondering if a Fodd & Beverage Committee might be a good thing. Has such athing been kicked around before? I see them offloading from Logistics anything food, party, picnic, etc. related (addressing item 2 directly, 3 indirectly) and serving as a clearing house for funding such activities (addressing item 1). As a committee, they could maintain a fund for food purchases, budget for consumables, etc. Want to buy pizza for {activity X}? Food Committee funds. Need a fork for donated cake serving? Food Committee funds. Want to make sure these activities have enough funding for your pet project? Donate funds directly to the committee, either with "cash" or honorarium, same as any other committee.... Might be a horrible idea, but it seems to me it serves some valid purposes. For me personally, it specifically makes my monthly membership fee not be spent on food (which I think it should not be; I realise some other folks think differently, and I vehemently disagree), makes it so that any other {committee, board, SIG, etc.} spending on foodstuffs is more readily traceable, as they would need to xfer funding to Food Committee in order for that to happen... As stated, probably NOT a good idea, and probably already discussed and discarded, but I'm throwing it out there. Probably pie in the sky, at best.

Can we get a chain held sign to hang from the ceiling?

@A. Spencer(jast) 1. under defined situations, sure 2. I'd rather Logistics not stock the galley with food-specific consumables 3. If specific committees have specific needs for cups, etc, perhaps they should budget for them Food And Beverage committee: Member-run Potlucks should ask for people to bring the necessary consumables. If we want to sponsor such a committee ala how the Maker Fellowship fund used to be run, cool, but I suspect it won't prosper.

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Cool but unrealistic idea, have a TV and camera next to work tables, and camera uses ai to say if table is clean or not clean, ala hotdog / not a hotdog image recognition, tv just shows feed from camera with table status

12:35 PM

Unrealistic just because it won't happen, but it could work

Re: treasurer report. We should probably reevaluate our 12k tool proposal into something more workable in the short term. Or piece it out into a multi month plan

So I shouldn't request 1500 for more roboreels at this board meeting?

I'd imagine robo reels in particular would draw some ire

dear lord. not roboreels.

12:54 PM

clutched spring reels seem to solve that problem at a lesser cost

They were nice while they worked

tool proposal should be scaled back to equipping 102 flex and re-equipping 104 workshop

12:55 PM

102 workshop will likely have to wait

Yeah

12:55 PM

Might even cut down a bit on new 102 flex and see what we can live with on 104 workshop side

102 flex power tools will amount to donors from 104; the purchase for 104 be replacing whatever goes to 102

12:58 PM

102 seems to mostly need drills and a set of hand tools / screw bits / perhaps drill bits

Can you link to some clutched spring reels? I'm guessing that means slow return vs standard cheap reel which would ~50 instead of 300

1:02 PM

Would like to get something soon, the number of coords including air that are on the floor always as a tripping hazard is concerning

We are a Makerspace so tools are extremely important. What we have is pretty thin so replacements are necessary. Any reduction in todays dollars would be helpful.

I think a plan to replace over a few months would be helpful

1:29 PM

But we also don't have any documentation on when tools die for us so we don't know what we will need over time

there have been complaints about the situation in the 102 flex area, so that probably needs to be the focus for hand tools; the donors from 104 workshop should be the focus for power tools

I don't see how spreading same cost over 2 or 3 months vs buying today matters at all for this level of spending, we have plenty of cash balance* so you would just be optimizing for this months p&l statement (*assuming committees dont suddenly spend their balances)

revenue situation could change in a few months when we finally get around to opening up 104 workshop

1:52 PM

102 flex seems to be the area of need

Yes $12, 000 should not be so critical but we do have $$$ in electrical still to do.

Spreading it out over a few months means other committees are able to use some of the limited funds as well

Most committees have an excess balance from all the honorarium money and won't need any general fund allocations for awhile

But some still do

Big question is what we expect electrical and expansion costs to be the rest of the year, 100k?

I think they were talking 60k but 100k isn't a bad idea to plan for

Having repaired the robowheels, multiple times, it was usually remotes. I say we try embedding the remotes in something stronger or not on the hose itself and see if they will work better. We still have a handful of extras to try this with that haven't even been opened yet (edited)

@pearce are there plans for the old vector / science space along the wall already? I noticed there is enough room it could fit the sheet metal tools and still with comfortably with the tables. I'm wondering if we could arrange to do at least a temporary homing so we can facilitate some cleanup and for classes. It would be purely at logistics' discretion to out them back, but I think we could benefit from the less heavy working members being able to use them comfortably near a productive table, and take the time to clean up and change some of the metal shop

5:43 PM

One of which is the railing over the sheet metal tools. We need to rework the curtains and we may try to make better hanging rods or hooks from the drop

We were going to put more project storage up but couldn't get a box truck last Sunday to move the racks from the storage units

5:43 PM

All PO cards were full

Alrighty then

5:44 PM

The pallet racks in 102 too tall to use one or two of them and see how they work?

I vote move the sheet metal tools there right now, good idea

Too tall as far as I know

Thought they might be, wasn't sure if they were measured

It's long enough that we could probably put the sheet metal tools in with the racks

(it's not a vote and I have no say, but I think it's a good idea)

How long do you think it would be for @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium

I'd like to clean, test some tool layouts, and get new curtains in. The first two can be done soon or postponed at any time. I need to get the lift up and see how our rods are tied in to determine the curtains. It may end up being a "take measurements / photos now, then move tools back if it takes too long"

5:48 PM

I wouldnt allow anything immovable to take they're place so they could go back any time

Doesn't seem unreasonable. I don't know what's currently there that you might have to move

5:50 PM

People seem to have taken the space over with leaning crap storage

Fyi- brad Simms has dibs on the tan uprights in the storage warehouse for the future blacksmith space.

6:30 PM

The uprights in 102 warehouse are 14 feet tall. Green uprights are 48” wide, blue are 36” wide.

6:33 PM

The uprights in storage have been cutting torched down to 8’ tall. There are 2 or 4 blue cut down in the storage unit. Rest were the tan ones Brad wants. And seeing as he got them donated, it’s only fair... (I was focused on measurements rather than inventorying quantities)

6:34 PM

I was kind of surprised how few of the cross-members there were in storage. (Orange)

6:36 PM

Jeff Ray stated at the infamous meeting that the plan (expansion, I suppose) was to have the lowest “shelf” of the racks in the 102 warehouse to be worktable, then committee storage above that.

6:41 PM

As far as the space where vector and science were, that was supposed to become a “staging” area for committees preparing to move. I would talk to James and the new expansion chair to clarify what’s permissible.

I would just move things and see what happens

For what it’s worth, -I- think it’s a great idea.

the stuff there is on a pallet or on the tables when I checked just shortly ago

Pallet might belong to Kane

7:24 PM

Can be moved under a table (edited)

Shocker. It's still full.

is that new shit ?

From 6/9

ah

Logistics stocks coffee sweeteners? https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/out-of-sweet-low-6-17-2019/57811

6:16 PM

That's better than my employer does

6:22 PM

Ok

that one just surprised me since never seen it on a restocking list I don't think

6/17 stuff stored on tables

7:00 PM

Pics to find out if it moves

7:02 PM

@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium these belong to metal shop?

not that I'm aware of. Due to Joe King taking the engine hoist from the space I couldn't move the other stuff solo, and the person there with me had flip flops so no lifting.

7:22 PM

so only the slip roller was brought over there. I should be by later tomorrow

7:22 PM

**later today or tomorrow

Just cleaned it up a bit

Is that a giant pasta roller

For giants

Fi fi fo fum, that guy

Sheet metal roller. Metal shop is using the space for some tool storage while they rework

‍♀️

7:35 PM

Uh, why did it gender my haircut

Emojis are do that sometimes depending on platform, are you on an iPhone?

Android

the skin tone additions some platforms have introduced to the generic jaundiced yellow emoticons confuse

1:17 AM

Powder coated, anchored, and filled with concrete

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3

Should we start a pool for when someone will somehow fit a car between them?

I was just thinking about who had a smart car

dedicated motorcycle parking

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but it's only a matter of time until someone tries to park there

8:09 AM

third bollard would greatly reduce the odds, but that's not my time and effort

So what encourages dumpster man to leave the dumpster where you want it?

Don't worry the dumpster man will jam the dumpster between the polls

Us bitching at the company

my experience says : absolutely nothing. the drivers appear to intentionally move your dumpster to anywhere other than the designated location

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it's simpler to pick it up, dump, then put it back in the same spot

8:29 AM

unless they circle the block while performing the dump then all bets are off

rofl

8:29 AM

you'd think

8:29 AM

but that isn't what they do...

8:29 AM

at home, at my neighbors, nor at any commercial site I've witnessed...

then again in the interest of saving time, I can see some bits of maneuvering during the pickup and dropoff moments

8:31 AM

thus drifting in whatever the average of the arrival and departure vectors end up being is something I can imagine

honestly, at the very least, I think the arms articulate to some extent to allow for various off-kilter necessities, and they don't auto-return (or the drivers are poorly educated on using their equipment and do not use this feature)

there's a lot of slop in the engagement from what I've seen

8:34 AM

so even if the truck remains stationary during the cycle, there's plenty of opportunity for the thing to move around as the soothing metal-on-metal sound of the dump process demonstrates

8:38 AM

I'm gonna spitball and say the approach angle is +/- 10° off center

I've got them on camera using their forks to move the dumpster around after lifting and setting it back down... I don't get it.

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I saw them dump the one by the ramp yesterday. They seemed to love dropping and banging it around. ??!

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On my generous days, I assume something is going on to which I'm not privvy. On my less generous days, I think they're intentionally undermining every effort to keep the dumpsters neat and clean (as much as dumpsters CAN be).

assuming some sort of rational goal, making it easier to get to?

11:19 AM

perhaps they rattle it around to loosen the contents

Unrelated, but a few years back, someone in Austin choreographed a ballet of sorts involving Austin Sanitation Dept vehicles.

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smashing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fgpGkErRCU ?

trashdancemovie

Trash Dance Trailer

11:30 AM

wonder how many they've sold...

trashdancemovie to the trash?

MMMM

3:15 PM

TRASH

3:15 PM

OM NOM NOM

@AGr we noticed some of the hardboard tops are bubbling up, probably from how they were screwed down

Ah, might have to take screws out and just glue down one edge, probably expanding from humidity

6:34 PM

Or just take two screws out, they are painted over t10 torx

What committee does this belong to

Is there a logistics meeting coming up?

Fencing committee

Curses! Foiled again!

Look! They left a clue on the ground. Maybe it was old man McManon.

Good one Shaggy

Mell: report I got is that logistics is Friday evening. Conveniently blocking my chance to attend resin sig.

I don't see one on the calendar for Friday, I do see the Resin SIG though

It's not on calendar yet. Been dealing with hazmat

6:34 PM

We could do Thursday again

6:35 PM

If someone wants to put one on for 730 tomorrow

6:35 PM

Be explicit that we will only be discussing the items for logistics on the bod agenda

6:36 PM

I'd like to allow more notice for meetings. A follow up meeting will be next week

6:37 PM

Thursday or Friday. Whatever day isn't the chair meeting

6:39 PM

Friday

6:41 PM

Please set for Friday. Final answer

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Everyone come to the resin sig! I hear those guys are cool.

I've requested a hazmat emoji after today; Pearce has said he will deliver. We must shame him publicly if he fails to deliver

Damn your accountability

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Out of paper towels again.

2:15 PM

@pearce

@pearce I can make a Costco run for some paper towels before I come to the space tonight. And submit for reimbursement. Just lmk.

Please get as many cases as will fit in your car of the Kirkland brand paper towels. I usually got 5 cases to last 2-3 weeks

@StanSimmons do you have your price list that you put up on Google docs? I can't find the link

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NC6S_ellZ3gdsDOnKSIel6jeTlJhKhnh6pMfwii109o/edit?usp=sharing

Costco Pricing

Sheet1 product,SKU,Online,In Store Dixie 12 oz Paper Bowl, 175-count,1115,10.29 Dixie To Go 8 oz Insulated Cup, 160-count,783829,12.59,11.99 Dixie Ultra 20 oz Paper Bowl, 135-count,296917,11.99,10.79 Dixie Ultra 8 1/2 in Paper Plate, 285-count,1111166,19.29,18.49 Greenmade 2...

2:46 PM

Kirkland Signature Create-a-Size Paper Towel, 2-Ply, 160 sheets, 12 rolls SKU 512599 $16.49 case

Costco does 2 day delivery, no fee for orders over $75. Amazon also has paper towels for the same price/sheet, two day delivery and their subscription service/button if we wanted to go that route.

3:17 PM

What I'm saying is we shouldn't be dependent on anyone making runs to the store for these common supplies.

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Costco charges $2.20 more for delivered case

Stock will be replinished tonight

3:18 PM

@michaelb we can talk options in the meeting. I'll be there tonight as well.

3:18 PM

We can offset costs on the online prices by not buying popcorn and wet wipes

@michaelb Pearce has forbidden me from purchasing anything for Logistics....

Yes he did. Stop playing the pity card about it.

You are correct

Just stating a fact. People keep asking me for stuff. I'm not allowed to get it. Simple fact.

You can tell them that and defer them to logistics

I have been.... and yet stock keeps running out.

So when is the next Logistics meeting? there doesn't appear to be one on the calendar

itll be next week

3:43 PM

and one to discuss the tool wall tomorrow. thought someone submitted one for friday

Not under Logistics or Committee Meeting categories

k, i will do one when i get to my next location

@pearce want me to add it to the calendar? I know you're super busy

Yes please, tomorrow 730 in whatever room is available, I guess assume 15-20 people. Please be explicit that we are only talking about the tool wall, and the two items where people are asking the board to take logistics floorspace

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I don't know room sizes well these days... North lobby classroom best option to try?

that was used last logistics meeting, its a good size

Event created, north lobby classroom, 7:30-8:30 Friday

4:37 PM

Aaaack. Ok I messed up on time and date and will edit. Calendar is annoying to use on mobile

4:39 PM

Will it not let you create an event less than two days before the start?

Right. Need 2 days+.

Can ping calendar admins

Arghhh... Talking with Mell to find a fix

I can approve it

4:43 PM

If it is set up as an event

4:43 PM

Maybe

I just cancelled the messed up one

4:44 PM

Will try again

4:45 PM

Earliest date it will let me select is Saturday, @Lavarocks if I create the event for then could you edit it to be on Friday?

i set the minimum booking to 0 days. you should be able to create the event now

Yay! Thank you!!

4:52 PM

Ok submitted again, hopefully with the right date this time

thanks @StanSimmons for finding a work around for me!

Friday 7:30 https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/13095

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Thanks to everyone for getting this out together last minute

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@pearce How dire is the paper towel situation? Traffic is a nightmare and puts me at DMS a little late to that meeting. I can for sure go tomorrow and bring before logistics meeting.

6:53 PM

I wish they were open late

We are also out of red solo cups and insulated paper coffee cups.

There's a bag of insulated cups in the 102 warehouse for some reason

Can we do better keeping things in stock?

Working on it

7:08 PM

We should work on consumption as well

Thay was probably leftover from blacksmithing event last week

and i forgot my mic

7:31 PM

shit

maybe digital media can help

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16vjTxTKDNH8rK3gCICYeRLByi_GKD0XbcBOXFyVr5Ns/edit?usp=sharing

Ryobi tool wall

Sheet1 Category,Tool,Part#,Price,Quantity,Total Ryobi tool,sawzall,P517,$100,4,$400.00 Ryobi tool,jigsaw,P524,$120,4,$480.00 Ryobi tool,drill,P208,$35,8,$280.00 Ryobi tool,impact driver,P238,$37,4,$148.00 Ryobi tool,angle grinder,P423,$100,4,$400.00 Ryobi tool,flood light,P7...

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-900292?seid=srese1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI54LQo_P74gIVwsDICh2gbA_mEAQYASABEgK93fD_BwE

What's the result of the tool walls request?

2K allocation... Or maybe 2.5K

we get 2k to restock 104 tools. and buy cleaning and ppe. then split those items between 102 north and 104

Awesome. Could have been $0. Thank yall for your dedicated efforts

Or we could restock 104 and put nothing in 102 for now, would be much easier

I think it will be easy enough to work out for both

what is ppe, anyway?

Safety equipment

9:02 PM

Personal protection equipment

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9:02 PM

Like safety glasses, hearing protection, etc

Another option is getting another committee to donate their funds, would creative arts be interested in sponsoring the new tool wall?

9:13 PM

Or laser

C.a. is "birthing" heavily for sewing sig, resin sig. The $$ listed in it are mostly spoken for

The donation shelf was moved to bay doors correct? Bringing a lot of good stuffs for the freebee shelf.

Yes

Sweet. Just cleaned out a dead hoarders house. Bringing good shit. Be there soon

3 people on talk have offered to donate for tools... As much as I think it's stupid that we'd have to collect additional money to pay for tools maybe we could take donations and put names on the tool wall. At least that way we could have a well stocked wall on both sides

Could go with field of dreams option, use money to build full size tool wall in flex area, but leave it blank, waiting on future allocation to put tools on it

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(stares at @AGr with stink eye)

If you build it, they will complain

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We understand how important tools are to DMS. They were neglected so long we are working from a deficit. We will commit money to getting back to good shape. The original request was about 10% of our free cash. Pearce did a great job making the case and whittling the amount down to what we can afford today. Once we get past the $50k electric work we can be more flexible.

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2

Can we set up a wish list/registry with items. People can just pick from that and have it shipped to the space.

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11:54 AM

Prevents duplicate donations. Not having to track money. (No dontation slip to the user though).

getting a refund on the tables might help cover tool costs

send back the black and yellow tubs? That's almost $3K.

those at least are serving a long term purpose. The broken table out back, and the one that isn't even built, logistics paid for (edited)

11:56 AM

at least those can serve a long term purpose

if they can't put them to use now in the short term, return them. Use the money for the here and now (tools). Can reorder once the storage plan is settled - that looks too far down the road.

true

and returning them would free up floorspace

Get a refund on what tables? The wood ones?

12:03 PM

Oh that light up one

Did we buy that? I thought it was someone's eagle scout thing?

That table was built by Lance's son

And logistics paid for it

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I'm not sure how we could ask for a refund on something like that...

More of a reimbursement because he failed to complete the job

12:13 PM

But I don't see us being able to do that either

12:13 PM

I can certainly say it probably burned us on any future eagle scout projects

I agree there

12:15 PM

But asking for money back on that is a difficult thing to do. I think we're better off just avoiding such ambitious projects in the future

12:17 PM

For the tool wall, let's set up a spreadsheet of what we want, and people can mark off when they buy it, we'll keep track of when it shows up. Use some of the board money to build a tool wall and stock it with the donated tools.

12:17 PM

Each tool has a spot on the wall and we can include the donation attribution on the label

alex was recommending something like an amazon wishlist that auto tags an item (edited)

12:19 PM

do you want to make a live doc we can post these ideas to for the meeting?

Yeah, I was thinking slightly more open ended, like, buy an x or more piece screwdriver set, no harbor freight

12:19 PM

But we can be specific too

12:20 PM

I can do it later tonight. Also won't be at the meeting (Wednesday iirc?)

Tuesday is the logistics meeting

12:39 PM

I like the idea of an Amazon wishlist because we have now control over what gets purchased and people won't be sending random things we don't need/ other brands

I find the idea of asking for donations to work around a deliberate resource allocation decision offensive. If organization doesn't want to invest in tools then let's follow through with that and just not invest in logistics supplied tools. Push all tooling to committees and then the tool wall isn't logistics concern

12:47 PM

I'm in favor of building an empty tool wall out of spite and then just fill it with print outs of calendar instead of tools

I think it's less that organization doesn't want to invest and more that we can't right now.

It's not that we didn't want new tools and the wall. It more that we only have about $55k of free cash. So spending 20% for tools was not in the greater best interest for all. We know tools are important. There is about $200k of expansion left. We have to get that done so we can attrack new members again.

As of last night logistics doesn't have it's own funds, we have been trusted to be able to pull from the general fund.

12:57 PM

So any donations would get out there with a logistics earmark

12:58 PM

I don't think anyone is saying we should replace the funding with donations, but more that people realize EVERYONE uses the Ryobi tools

12:59 PM

So donating if helpful to the space as a whole while we are tight on funds

We're just having to be creative right now

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The $4k cleanup particularly hurt. That would heve been used for tools/materials

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I think we should return the bins, easy $3k for tools

1:03 PM

We can always get more bins later

I think the question is if we can return them

Just stop buying utensils and most paper goods for a few months and buy the tools instead.

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What @michaelb said. No one will give "no forks or paper plates in the galley" as a reason for quitting. They will say "tools are broken or missing. I can't make my project."

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I'm morally opposed to disposable utensils anyway (edited)

Maybe trash won't overflow in galley on the weekends?

After wasteland weekend I learned how easy it is to just have your own cup and utensils all the time

Nicole and I got metal utensils that we try to take everywhere so we don't have to trash disposable ones all the time

1:15 PM

Plus, real knife now

If we setup personal storage for just 30 of the black and yellow tubs for $100/yr, then that would pay for all 300 of them, and would be an ongoing revenue stream. There is certainly enough interest for larger format personal storage to cover 100 of them, so this could easily be a positive revenue situation.

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2:51 PM

Would logistics be interested on any of these type units for $25 each?

2:51 PM

Store I used to groom for is closing dow

Is that pegboard on the back of it?

@pearce !!!

3:47 PM

Pegboard appears to be the wall

We could likely use them but I doubt the pegboard is part of them

Pegboard is attached to half the back

3:48 PM

They have 19 of the u its and are closing in two weeks

3:49 PM

I can take better pics to.orrow

3:49 PM

Tomorrow

Can I get back to you on this tomorrow? Going to go afk for dads birthday today

Absolutely

What’s the store?

Petland in plano

6:39 PM

Off Custer and independence

as was mentioned during the BoD meeting - odds are with father's day that some have upgraded to better than ONE+ thus there's potential to snag some compatible power tools

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https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors_Meeting_20190622#Authorize_Logistics_Committee_Authorized_Spending_.28Brandon_Green.29

Board of Directors Meeting 20190622

3:08 PM

Did the board choose to not reimburse Brandon or was this handled another way?

It was sorted, he was reimbursed

Yes Pearce was able to confirm the reimbursement was going through, so the agenda item was no longer needed

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Yes his check was processed a few days before the BoD meeting. I'm never happy when a member has more than $1k "on loan" to DMS. Been in that spot myself.

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I just loaded the last ream of copy paper into the printer. Please purchase more paper.

K

@pearce. Went by the Petland to measure the shelving that Lara told us about. Sadly, I kinda think they aren’t deep enough for the bumblebee bins. They are 76” tall with wheels on the bottom, 48” wide and 24” deep. The bins are 30” long,, just over 20” wide and 15” tall. deep. The pegboard backing is 48” from top of rack down. By comparison, The dog food racks woulda been PERFECT for bin racking, but the manager said they were already sold. That said, if there were another use for the wheeled racks, she had about 7 in use on the floor, and said she had more above the dog food racking.

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Thank you @judy Kriehn ! You are a deeply involved maker and thank you for your time to look and see if these would benefit DMS.

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We (I) forgot to put the meeting on the calendar after scheduling it at the meeting so we will have to move it

7:10 PM

I'm going to clean the donation shelf

So reschedule? Thursday, or wait till next week?

I'd have to see what's open

7:47 PM

Art and I cleaned off the shelf. Shawn Christianson and art will be working to e-cycle the PCs and electronics left over

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thank you so much!

so per the last board meeting logistics has $1150 to spend per month

How tall of a paper towel pyramid can you build with 1150?

11ft 11in, with 21 rolls left over. If you went for a square pryamid.

8:30 PM

Just over 6ft on a side at the base

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@michaelb quick thinking on critical must-know knowledge (edited)

Is door to workshop supposed to have latch taped over to defeat rfid access?

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9:55 PM

Also project storage is at 100% utilization

no, the latch is not supposed to be taped over

Dagnabbit

It is taped over until it gets fixed. It looks like a relay may have died on the controller.

@StanSimmons who's been working on fixing the door?

4:42 PM

If no one, I can take a look after work today.

Bert had an interesting idea today

6:16 PM

For consumables like sandpaper, nails, sharpies, etc. We mirror the parks system, open shelving or racks with the stuff stocked up. A payment kiosk with scanner. Let people use the honor system like parks does.

6:17 PM

In theory it will work better when separate from the work location, we would put it in the kitchen, because you can't just grab it and use it. You have to go to the shelf and buy it

Centralize all consumables in one location with one kiosk?

Pretty much

6:17 PM

Or at least the ones logistics thinks we should stock

6:17 PM

Biggest issue would be barcodes and inventory

Sounds like a good idea, do we have an extra square kiosk and someone who knows how to set it up?

Mr.jimmy is very familiar with the square kiosks and how they can be modded

6:18 PM

The kiosk would be the biggest investment

6:19 PM

The consumables would be priced slightly higher than buying them from a local store, to encourage people to bring in their own supply

6:21 PM

In theory we could allow other committees to also stock it

We should figure out how much space that'd maybe the back wall of the galley. More if committees want their own stuff in it

6:27 PM

I like the idea though. It might help out a lot. Plus, bolts...

hate the idea. I'm with James Harper https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/woodshops-financial-proposal-for-discussion-here-and-at-the-b-b-meeting-friday/58348/122?u=jast however, then we see shit like this https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/i-dont-know-if-intentional-but-please-dont-throw-away-perfectly-good-sandpaper/58131 and I think... yeah... let's do it. also, I think committees/groups are double stocking lots of stuff, and this might help make it abundantly clear "THIS IS STOCKED BY LOGISTICS: YOU DON"T NEED TO STOCK IT TOO". Also, it would maybe help people understand this shyte ain't free. YOUR dues pay for it... Or we all get nickled and dimed for sporks.

I don't know if intentional but please don't throw away perfectly ...

Was scrounging through the trash bins in the woodshop as per tradition and found all this in there. Some perfectly new, almost all perfectly usable. It’s at the sanding station now for re-use. These were in bins far away from the sanding station so I’m not sure they acc...

Man I saw the list of stuff woodshop said they stocked and a lot of it was stuff that logistics actually stocked

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I think it makes it hard to get a handle on our {x e.g. pencils} budget when several committees are stocking them...

If someone's at the space and wants to measure the unused space in the gallery, go for it

6:40 PM

This could also be a replacement for the gift shop

6:40 PM

Or a v1 of the gift shop since it never got past alpha

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I'll be up there soon and check

I think we need to determine where lost & found is going to live and find out if there’s a decision on VCC committee space designation before you try to identify “unused space.”

yeah, lost and found probably shouldnt be in the front lobby

8:21 PM

common room is more likely

8:22 PM

if someone would like to go through the common room stuff we can do that too

Or did you mean “galley” rather than “gallery”

current galley

8:22 PM

gallery if we can make it part of the "gift shop"

8:23 PM

but i would say that if it was "gift shop" it would only be DMS merch like cups, shirts, utensil sets, etc

8:23 PM

+ the consumables stuff

Is there any overhead we pay for square kiosk payment (fixed fee or percentage)? Like would charging someone 50 cents be profitable?

if i remember correctly we dont pay for "seats" so adding a kiosk wouldnt add to our costs for using square

I mean if we tried to do a transaction / sale for 5 cents for a fork what would happen? Is there a min price or percentage that they take off each transaction?

not sure, @Robert might know but mr.jimmy will for sure

Square has a $1 minimum charge

9:14 PM

After the charge it’s 2.75 percent fee

9:14 PM

No limit to terminals

For things like sharpies, pencils, might have to sell small packs instead of individual for it to make sense

Whatever happened to reviewing the Parks contract and seeing if better alternatives existed? I remember Nick S had done a ton of research, turned it over to Kris who said she’d handle it, then.. nothing. I wonder if a vendor could offer other items as well as the food stuff. So we didn’t have to mess with it?

Other than pricing what's the issue with parks?

9:33 PM

I don't have an office job so I don't know of any other companies that do this stuff

At that time there was grousing about freshness and restock frequency.

9:45 PM

But that was like late October/November-ish

My main complaint is they just half ass stock, nothing that is not solvable

9:53 PM

I've written enough planograms in my day that should be a no brainer

9:54 PM

If you want some help, I am happy to talk to them with you or help guide you

I mostly need to know what the complaint is (edited)

I'm a consumer of gatorade

9:57 PM

they don't fill up the shelf

9:57 PM

they substitute products in because the truck was not ordered correctly

9:58 PM

They don't stock the large waters in the cooler, they are losing money on that deal

could we write up a wishlist for them to take back and consider?

sure

9:58 PM

if someone could let me know the next time they know parks stocked

9:58 PM

i'll drop by and have a look

or have something nearby for people to write on

i can write up a form

do that so we can at least have a request to go to them with

i would reach out and find if they can add on products like sundries to the parks pantry

9:59 PM

this would get you some of the consumables

i know they have on demand ice machines (no dirty scoops)

^^

10:00 PM

i think our solution there is to just buy the damn dispenser

10:00 PM

we already own the maker

10:00 PM

no need for scoops with a dispenser

10:00 PM

but thats my opinion

10:01 PM

its a $3500 dollar problem

10:06 PM

also

10:06 PM

hatchers is a damn fire hazard now

What did Hatcher’s do to make themselves a fire hazard now?

haha

10:11 PM

the large knife target is in there.

good

10:12 PM

i was about to toss it

WTH why not toss it? Why are they keeping it?

ThEy NEeD iT foR KNiFe ToSSIng

Why are we tossing knives at a maker building? It’s not survivorspace

The BoD has a prospectus from Heartland vending for Parks replacement. I think they have been too busy to worry about a money neutral issue like Parks.

8'x30" if we pull the free food table out of the galley. Thats plenty of room for now. About 2'x30" is lost in an inaccessible corner

10:50 PM

For consumable sales

"retail space" thats a pretty good footprint

Well that was for consumable sales

11:07 PM

There's an extra 2'x30" corner we could use for retail sales.

oh i just meant from a retail perspective

11:08 PM

merch doesnt need personal space

I was worried you were talking about space for members to sell things.

no i dont see that happening unless someone comes up with a good proposal

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Vending related: did I see two soda pop vending machines in 102?

11:21 PM

Are those Parks?

NOPE

11:22 PM

run by a member with a vending machine route

Is that against our Parks contract? How did that get approved? @pearce (edited)

I assumed they were just sitting around, you should evict them from logistics floorspace

nobody asked permission; nobody has yet had to ask forgiveness...

For what it's worth parks refills monday Wednesday and Friday morning usually about 8am. Sometimes 7.

im sure they would have been told something verbally by expansion

11:30 PM

that no one could verify

Where do you put something evicted from logistics? If we offsite it I'd be concerned about spoiling something in the heat.

its sodas though

I doubt cans would explode in offsite unit heat

If one explodes then?

i cant imagine our storage gets that hot

Hmm probably best to start with a note on it anyways. Maybe the owner will come forward and take them away

Expansion allowed the two vending machines in when the old BoD was talking to Heartland. There is no exclusivity with Parks or Heartland

I'm sure someone knows who's vending machine it is. Might help to ask before offsite

There is contact info on both of them

they need to move anyway so the kilns can go in

They are on pallets and easily moved

Not sure anyone would miss them. I didn't even realize they were stocked. They blended into the background of random junk in the warehouse quite well

a few people use them

They were allowed in when Parks was doing a shitty job of keeping Coke product stocked.

11:36 PM

and they are (slightly) cheaper than Parks

11:36 PM

!members

There are currently 2160 members.

What's the hurry on moving the vending machines? The kiln's can't go in until both power and ventilation are installed... and that may take some time.

they served their purpose while parks was inaccessible to the people working to get the CoO work done in 102, now that the door is open they should go. we cant keep these verbal agreements forever just because they benefit a single member

But what is the hurry?

hurry would be driving up to DMS tonight and moving them

Right back at ya.

i could just copy paste my response

11:51 PM

but ill let you read a few posts up again

Still not seeing what has your panties in a bunch...

cant be in a bunch if im not wearing any

EWWWW

but still

lol commando ftw

i was just answering the questions. if there was a hurry they would have been moved

Did ya'll get paper for the printer?

I know we used to have a thread on talk of "Need want and desire" may want to make a new post for it @pearce. Need paper. Want 3 ply tp desire 1000 sq foot of just me space.

I've notified @Cat_Skat that we have another verbal business arrangement with a member.

We really should get more of these things in writing

It was expected to be in writing with the Heartland deal, but the old BoD, and now the new BoD have more important things on their plates.

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Shoulda woulda coulda

12:20 AM

Didn't know we were out of paper, can order. 11x17 and 8.5x11?

at least 8.5 x 11.

12:21 AM

I'm pretty sure I mentioned it here a few days ago

12:22 AM

Last Monday at 4:37pm

@StanSimmons "It was expected to be in writing with the Heartland deal,..." Are you saying the 2 machines belong to Heartland?

No. The guy with the coke machines is friends with the Heartland guy, and they have worked together in the past and were talking about doing so here.

Like how would they work together?

I haven't read the Heartland proposal. I don't know. Check with the BoD, they have it.

12:34 AM

Or go look on the machine and call the guy.

You mean the old BoD?, as I have not seen a proposal. I certainly would read it and consider it as we are with redoing or replacing parks pantry too. But as @StanSimmons said we have lots going on that members are hot on us to get complete. This is a lower priority. If logistics needs to move them around for expansion reasons I support that.

Will we have cups and forks tonight for the meeting? I know cups have been out for a couple weeks- have you decided to stop stocking those?

@Lampy (Ken Purcell) There was a stack of BoD documents given to James, that are likely in the BoD filing cabinet. The red folder is the Heartland proposal.

Ok, probably overlooked as there is so much other "right now" stuff. thanks.

@Lavarocks if it's a pot luck I will recommend that someone bring cups and utensils as part of the potluck. It's not an uncommon thing for a potluck to have as an option to sign up for.

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Yes it is a potluck, but until you announce whether or not you'll be stocking these items I will keep bringing it up.

12:04 PM

It's annoying to get up there and find out changes have been made and not announced.

Input noted. We haven't decided anything yet and no changes have been made

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Any talk of when the next logistics meeting will be? I can get it on the calendar if needed

12:19 PM

Also project storage extension request day?

Extension requests is July 7, removal is 14th.

12:24 PM

No date for meeting yet

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Want the 7th or 14th on the calendar?

Sure

Ok I'll get that done today

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Forgot to ask... What time should the storage meeting and offsiting be?

2 seems to be a good time for people on Sundays

events created, should show up on the calendar soon

Thank you

Events approved, they should be visible now.

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I was at Costco today. I could have picked up printer paper and paper towels....

Hey good time to stock up so you don't have to rely on the DMS supply.

4:28 PM

I've started keeping a roll of paper towels in my car.

A ball was dropped on ordering them so the procurement officer who was going to place the order is going to be at Costco today picking the order up

Feel free to scream at me

4:29 PM

I was the one that did it

The ball was dropped a long time ago in my opinion

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Noted. Thanks for your input

No, Freddy, this one is square on Pearce. I let him know we were low on printer paper Monday a week ago, then again on last Thursday when I loaded the last ream in the printer, and finally on Monday the 1st when the printer completely ran out.

4:33 PM

I know how to do the fucking job, and if the chair says don't buy something I won't. But this is just petty bullshit

4:34 PM

Do a search on this channel for "paper" if you don't believe me

freddy is referring to me asking him to place an order

Exactly when did you ask him?

4:35 PM

certainly not Monday a week ago when I first told you we needed paper

thats correct, i got the info while doing other stuff and then forgot

Do you have a vice on your team who can keep an eye on things?

so rather than delegate to the person who has been doing the job for YEARS, you just dropped the ball.

i wont go into the reason behind why i made that decision here.

4:38 PM

@Lavarocks no but i am working on that as well

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I get you don't trust me, but you didn't even ask.

yeah, just fine, out of paper, out of paper towel, out of blue tape, out of cups, out of plates, nearly out of trash bags.... but storage looks nice.

shits gonna be there tonight

4:47 PM

only thing that wasnt on the list was blue tape

shit should have been here last week. Fail.

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4:48 PM

this is the SECOND time youv'e let paper towel run out in a month

Do we really need to supply blue tape? I'm seriously asking

Why do we have a contract with Cintas anyway? Isn’t that part of their job?

blue tape is on the list of things we should store in the consumables shop for sure

"their job" who is "their"?

cintas. and restocking them

we have a contract with Cinats because a lone director decided we should

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You have to have a special contract for that I thought

I'm not sure what the deal was with the Cintas paper goods, but the John Wayne toilet paper they supply should be a good reason to break that contract

4:51 PM

That stuff is damn near 80 grit

thats something we are looking into, but they should be restocking the dispensers

I need some popcorn, dis entertaining

they stock that stuff every Thurs. They came a day early this week

4:55 PM

Sorry, no popcorn, not on the new austerity list....

You can ask parks to sell microwave popcorn

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I never really understood the microwave popcorn. I didn't even think it was DMS provided at first...

All popcorn all the time. Popcornspace.

The first couple of boxes were not. I bought them personally. Later a Logistics chair said to get it.

4:58 PM

the popcorn was about $0.25/ bag

That's pretty cheap, shouldn't be difficult for people to get their own then

The point is I've never purchased anything for Logistics that wasn't approved or requested by a Chair or Vice Chair.

Isn’t Costco/Sam’s cheaper than Cintas? And that toilet paper is horrid.

it sure seems like it

5:34 PM

but they were supposed to be a better alternative to having volunteers do the restocking

Isn’t volunteers the point of Makerspace?

automating menial tasks lets the volunteers put their time towards better tasks

Aren’t we trying to save money?

It's kinda like when we switched to Parks from stocking all the snacks ourselves. That action freed up a whole lot of volunteer time that went to improving the space in different ways.

yes we are trying to save money

5:37 PM

i didnt sign up for cintas

5:38 PM

and nor did the previous logistics chair

5:38 PM

but they also thought we had a surplus of funds at the time

Just gotta reevaluate whenever we can and see what's worth it.

Fetching decent toilet paper is the kind of task those of us with health issues can do.

5:39 PM

Happily

The problem is that the Cintas paper goods dispensers need restocking more than once a week, so volunteers end up having to do it anyway... just not as often

That can’t be worth the extra money.

there's likely cheaper options that will restock more frequently

5:48 PM

would be helpful if we started a list, so we can get quotes

5:48 PM

we need to know what to stock, what quantity and how frequent, then we can go price shopping for services

And toilet paper that doesn’t pill. Ick!

Can we cancel cintas?

5:58 PM

Sounds like no one is pleased with it

You can always cancel a contract. The kicker is what's the penalty.

Ok, so details help if someone has them (edited)

Not to add fuel to the fire, but FFS the toilet paper dispensers that cintas installed BELOW the handrails are darn impossible to reach.

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6:52 PM

And supposedly I'm able bodied

/ THIS\

We can move them up. Wasn't aware they were too low

Id suggest next logistics meeting- taking a walk around and seeing which need to be brought up, which room has more usage and maybe which area needs focal points. just a suggestion. dont need to act on my accord

More usage for what?

If we move them above the ADA bars, then they will be out of compliance with ADA.

9:14 PM

I vote for getting rid of the Cintas TP dispensers entirely and go back to standard rolls.

9:14 PM

That way we can be in compliance and not have to get on the floor for TP.

9:16 PM

@pearce Thank you for sending @yashsedai after paper. I've loaded the printer, put the Cintas paper towel rolls back in the storage closet and distributed one case of Costco paper towels (edited)

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thanks for doing that!

Yay Stan!

So the thinking is we're going to do DMS self-serve vending again? Did we ask Allen Wan and Ben Groves what they thought?

NOT a vending machine

1:36 PM

I'm thinking a near exact mirror to parks pantry

that's what they used to have, no?

No, there was a member owned sandwich vending machine with the refrigerator disabled. One couldn't purchase directly from the machine because of Dallas Vending License issues, so purchases were made on a website and dispensed at the machine. It never worked well, and refunds were a big issue.

1:45 PM

Later, when Allen was in charge of snacks, we had wire racks with stuff from Costco on them, and a money box. The Honor System wasn't honored by everyone....

I wasn't involved with that, but I gather that at a flat $1 per item they essentially just broke even

It started with $1 per item, but later evolved to $0.25 over cost, rounded to the nearest $0.25. That got bottled water down to $0.50 rather than $1, substantially reducing theft. It usually broke even or slightly better (edited)

roundup up to the next quarter and breaking even/just making a profit suggests considerable shrinkage

yes.

1:56 PM

The kiosk that @AGr built seemed to help with that some.

I vaguely recall liquidation of a ~$400 snack fund at the end of the program

That sounds about right

I also recall that it ended for lack of will to sustain it with labor

At the end it was just me and Allen, then Robert (I think) found Parks Pantry....

Thus if we want to go down this path ... https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/does-parks-have-shrink/58919/3 ... might want to think about the long-term cost of "administering" it in terms of volunteer time and DMS's tendency for pilferage

I think actual vending machines that take payment before dispensing would virtually eliminate shrinkage. The machines would need to take cards and cash.

2:03 PM

It could be a revenue center for DMS, but would require a fairly hefty initial investment, especially for machines that take cards.

2:04 PM

We could get less expensive machines and an ATM....

• cash = simple to accept, in short supply, requires routine servicing of the machine to keep it supplied with change • credit = harder to accept, everyone has it, need a merchant agreement and some means of not getting eaten alive by fees

2:05 PM

we do Square, but that's honor system

vending would require at least weekly maintenence.

of course, price to nearest dollar and the change situation is simplified

I'd be willing to do it for a percentage of gross profit

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just load up on dollar coins like transit ticket machines

ack! Carter Quarters.

2:08 PM

I blame Pres. Carter and the Susan B Anthony dollar coin for cokes going from $0.50 to $1.

the latter happened a couple decades later

The Susan B $1 came out about the time I went to College. I remember Cokes being $0.50 the first part of my Freshman year, and coming back from xmas break to $1 cokes.

2:12 PM

'81 -'82, Kokernot Hall, Baylor, Waco, TX.

I recall a different president being in office around then ...

Susan B's started being minted in '79-'80

also, $0.50 12oz canned beverages were a thing through at least the late 90s in my experience

hotels, convention centers, movie theaters, stadiums, etc of course extracted usury rates

... as did/do colleges and universities.

shocking

Y'all ready for some project storage tagging

Going to try to make it out for a bit but I can't stay long.

11:22 AM

Is Logistics in charge of the common room tables? Why so much clutter and monitors everywhere? Most of the tables were open yesterday but maybe a couple seats that didn't have stuff in front of you. I walked in and was really unsure if I could sit anywhere or if someone was already sitting there.

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We can walk through and look around the space

At some point will have to do something with abandoned table making station and pallet of 1/2 inch plywood that presumably is for expansion purposes somehow

11:41 AM

I'm out of town

Alas, no longer a Common Room. It's become the Computer Lab. I miss the flex space it once was. You could plug in a laptop if you needed to, but also build a 3d printer, play games, hold a little meeting, count cash, kibbitz. Remember the communal jigsaw puzzle?

11:44 AM

The Ruby on Rails group would work on the back table. Laptop monitors don't block faces, so you can work on group digital projects or just plain talk.

11:45 AM

@mell and I could only sit at separate tables, back to back. Had to swivel around to discuss honorarium auditor ideas.

I could do without long term puzzles

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11:46 AM

But we can look before we start tagging, might need to get a shelf for the monitors to live on and be returned to

Agreed. Nothing should occupy a long term spot unless sign up kiosks or the 3 design stations. Just using the puzzles to point out the flexibility of the pre-Monitor Invasion state.

The Common Room is a mess mostly because it got moved with no planning at all.... prompted by the ill fated CA move that had to be done "Right Now, This Weekend, Because We Will Never Get Our Volunteers Together Again, Ever" forcing the Common Room, VCC, Design Computers and Lost & Found to be moved (but not set back up) by a wild Logistics hoard. Power, but not networking, had been setup in the new common room. The move was done prior to Expansion being ready for it.

Yeah that's when it got cluttered

There are still a lot of cables and power supplies that haven't been found from that move, that I suspect may be in some of the black and yellow tubs

11:58 AM

No, it was cluttered before, now it is a complete mess

11:59 AM

I don't blame the people that helped move it

PUH LEASE..... It's looked like shit for a long time.

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I blame the lack of planning, forced by the ill planned CA move

Stop laying blame at CA’s feet. Shay was given a date by expansion and acted accordingly.

Cool. Now that the blame is out there we can go ahead and fix it.

It takes constant effort to fight entropy

Who in Expansion gave that date, because the new room ABSOLUTLY wasn't ready for the move in? (edited)

12:02 PM

Still isn't ready

Arguably the carpet removal wasn't necessary

12:03 PM

But that aside

12:03 PM

Today we will also be addressing the common room

12:04 PM

As "a wild logistics horde"

12:04 PM

Light the warning towers.

Question is not who can we blame, but what is plan to improve it today

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That was not a disparaging term, but an accurate description watching the movement of the common room in a very short time. I applaud the initial effort, but the followup of hooking stuff back up where it belonged was a bit.... lacking. (edited)

Anyone know why this car was zooming back and forth 8-10 times yesterday morning?

Huh? Last I heard Luke Strickland was going to buy it from Tom Tansey.

12:14 PM

... and even in brand new condition, it could hardly "zoom". (snicker)

Hopefully they were testing it to make sure they could remove it before it gets towed

I think you might mean this car:

12:30 PM

It was running up and down about 9:30 or so.

Ayy

12:44 PM

Good

I cleared that move way ahead of time and like a hundred more times before we moved. Dont blame ca for the crappy layout and less space.

1:08 PM

I talked to James one month ahead and confirmed once more before ever gathering volunteers. Not my fault yall couldnt get your own volunteers to move faster or lay fiber or whatever else you needed to do in a month.

@stan who in expansion gave the date? James the first time I asked and you were standing next to him and James tgd second time I asked if we needed to pull back the date and he again assured me it would be fine when I was talking to two new members a week later. Both times were before I ever posted on talk about needing help. Now that you have names do you require dates too or can you stop blaming us now?

1:22 PM

Sorry, this heats me up because we did our due diligence and people keep blaming us.

I don't know if you remember when you asked James and I was there, but I said at that time that we didn't have power or ethernet run at that time. I said that the tables could be moved, but to be aware that the common room would be non-functional until power and ethernet were run.

1:23 PM

We did get power run but had not gotten ethernet done before the move. Some of the ethernet, but not all has been done since then.

I asked him if it was safe to move, expecting that was all inclusive. I talked to him about the power and again was told we could move. I specifically said do you want us to hold off until july and he said nope.

1:26 PM

All we ever do now is blame others for our failings. I see this on talk, on here, it really isn't a community if all we have is disdain for others. We may as well be talking on Next Door.

1:27 PM

Your property is causing my value to tank! Did you see Margaret's lawn?

Freddy and I have had our hands full getting the floor fixed, amongst other things... The rest of the ethernet will get done eventually... as volunteer time allows.

We do appreciate all you ha e done with the flooring.

Guys

1:33 PM

It doesn't matter. It's in the past. We are going to work with what we have and clean up

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2

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Sorry Brandon and I are missing the meeting. Have not made it back to town yet from weekend family activities.

I'll be there in a bit

Have a couple of people here for the extension meeting

@pearce has logistics decided what to do about the back table / the second one? (also are we abandoning the trello board? It's been inactive)

@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium are you refering to laser annex table I ran out of time to get a sign up today

no, talking about the table in the parking lot

9:37 PM

long background about it

The Ben memorial disco table?

yup

Do you think that table would support Coyote Ugly dancing?

9:57 PM

hmm ....

9:57 PM

yells Kevin....

Hasn't it already?

10:35 PM

Jk that was the bowling table, nm

lol

I don’t think you could light up that bar though. The table would go up on flames.

Please no...I don't want to get that camera video. I have already seen things that I would like to unsee.

11:39 PM

hehehe

I think the dumpster might support the damn table

12:51 AM

its a freaking nightmare of crap

I think throwing it away would count as carbon sequestration, so technically we'd be saving the planet

if we burn it first can we get negative credits?

12:51 AM

i can get the diesel and the leaf blower

I don't want to be anywhere near that fire lol

lol

12:52 AM

breathe deeply

I like my lungs

the plastic shall inherit you

12:52 AM

diesel and air fix everything

12:52 AM

well forced air

We got burned pretty good on that table being an eagle scout project, but I don't think we are going to get anywhere trying to force Ben to finish it.

3:19 AM

As for Trello I don't want to say we should abandon it, but I know I'm really bad about checking it at all

Again, Ben has offered to finish it if we can just give them a list of known issues or a date to complete the second table by. Additionally we are setting aside space for the second table that hasn't been built but we have parts for.

I propose deadline of 7/14. If it's not a table by then, the materials get offsited or dumped.

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even I think less than a week is an unfair response for that. Ben asked for a list of what needed to be fixed on the first table / changed for the second. Since things were already bought I'd say give him the time to actually make it. 2 weeks maybe>?

ask him for the deadline and stick to it?

basically the claim is there has never been a deadline so that's why we don't have a second table that was paid for

9:14 AM

and never got a list of what's wrong with the first table

9:14 AM

soooo given the background of the people managing that project beforehand I'm not surprised at either of those

so ask him when he can have them done, and then use or throw away whatever is appropriate for the product on/after that date

9:21 AM

(instead of trying to impose a date on him, let him tell you when he can have it done)

yeah tried that, basically him and his dad are of the opinion that if there isn't a deadline set, there is no deadline

Ah. Well, then. Excellent Eagle Scouting/parenting. So I say to hell with it, then. Into the dumpster. Should have done it right, right away. The scouting way is not "put off til tomorrow all you can".

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I was surprised they even sponsored this given some other issues.

"they"?

This is Pearce's call but I'm with Merissa for next Sunday(July's offsiting day) but l can see how that might not be enough time. Maybe then August's storage deadline? That way it's a known logistics workday where things get removed.

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they = DMS (Us)

hm. So.... in lieu of just pitching all the stuff in the dumpster, do we need or want picnic tables? Why not have a work day, and get 2 working tables out of the deal? These don't look all that hard to put together...

on an unrelated note I've received word from yet another member about parts / funds absconded with by scott jones. If anyone sees the below parts reach out to me so they can get back with the owner. Apparently he had a lot of truck parts with scott

9:45 AM

I sent a screenshot of today's table conversation to one of my friends who got his eagle scout a few years ago. His recommendation was "I would say give a deadline with 2 weekends to work, and see what comes back. Sometimes, rarely, it ends up falling on the scout to finish on their own. If they can't, maybe look for another who can, or see if anyone in [DMS] would be willing to volunteer a few hours if he can't get anyone from the troop. It would be a shame to get to the eagle project, and drop it halfway through" Also made the comment that the project is about the candidate directing volunteers to do the work, instead of the person themselves doing it.

That's the problem

12:54 PM

The scouts believe he is done

12:54 PM

And have the DMS of paperwork as saying he completed it.

Then let's walk away from that thread. Get it done ourselves, or pitch in.

But on the DMS side there is almost no documentation for it from the people who negotiated the table as a scout project. Just the issues with it

Kris told me two months ago she told Ben he was on his final notice to get it complete or she would complain to the eagle scouts.

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12:59 PM

I recommend Sunday as a courtesy. He obviously knows it was expected to be completed MONTHS ago.

I'm more with @A. Spencer(jast). We can fix it ourselves and put a plaque on it. Make it say "started as an eagle scout project by Ben p. Completed by volunteers at the DMS"

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If the materials were bought with DMS money, repurpose the materials to make something else. I'm sure we can find a member who will create something useful

The LEDs basically got pilfered from lost and found. Because people are trash

Why do we care if the table lights up?

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I don't. But that's where some of the supplies and DMS money went

Ahh

meh. at this point, cut losses, get maximum benefit from what's left

So those can go on the freebie shelf, use the wood to make something useful?

why is there so much discussion on this? Throw away extra material for a second table that will never be built and if current picnic table breaks throw it in the trash

You are right, we do live in a disposable society ... everything is disposable these days

people too

Yup ... people that cannot be used, dumpster

2:01 PM

Do we have to off-site them first? Is that the noise I heard from the storage?

2:01 PM

But I jest

lol

2:02 PM

proceed directly to dumpster

2:02 PM

no offsite

2:02 PM

storage cost too high

Ahh ... perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6srI0EVwTUE

Steve Luck

Better Off Dead. Throwing away a perfectly good white boy

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Here is your motivational post of the day

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I know an arm and a leg in good condition are worth 6k each. Don't ask me how I know this.

That's really all?

Probably in life /dismemberment insurance terms. Someone, at some time, spent a great deal of time explaining how you don’t get full payout for accidentally whacking off your thumb above the big knuckle. But if it is gone along with that part of your palm, then it’s $$$ time. So if you’re gonna whack off body parts in woodshop, study your insurance policies in advance and aim accordingly.

Just depends on how much money you want to get

Did Scott Jones trailer get towed, or did he move it somewhere?

4:59 PM

There is a guy here looking for his bumber which was on that trailer

He had it at Tanner's parking lot and took it away the night of the 19th

5:04 PM

As for the guy looking for parts, sorry but thats between him and Scott Jones.

ok, there was a guy here looking for scott to get a bumper from him.

Yeah

I told him he was no longer a member

He had another guy's rims on it but he came up and was able to grab them

I don't think scott had actually built this guys bumper yet

He may have? There was at least 1.5 bumpers on it

5:07 PM

But that just means the guy can file non delivery of goods

This is now member #3 that has not gotten parts / has been potentially defrauded

5:30 PM

one of them paid cash up front and the thing was likely never made

lol

Yeah it sucks. But the dms isn't responsible

5:39 PM

Even if we had towed his car it's not on us

Last I saw Scott, he was driving down the service road of I-35with the trailer behind him. That tan bucket seat was on the trailer. He pulled into the no-longer-Grandys parking lot and disappeared behind the bldg. when he reappeared the seat was no longer on the trailer. I interpreted that as dumping stuff in dumpsters along the way home. I’m thinking it was the night of the board meeting, but coulda been a different date. It was still light outside, but close to dusk

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Honestly it’s for the best. He would have just kept messing up and making it everyone else’s fault while grifting more people.

Though 3 grand was a bit pricey for his removal.

There is a sketchy motel behind grandys. Doesnt that one tom guy live there?

LOL

tom guy?

Tom that sprawls out and runs his business at one of many tables. Often accompanied by a bowling ball on the table.

Sounds like Tom Cook

Yes

Ther I don’t know the guys name or I’ve missed this somehow.

Offsite is Sunday 7/14. This weekend. We will have a box truck to try and clear out as much of the storage units as possible, and will be evicting non removed storage into the old CA annex.

I'll try to be there for offsiting. No promises tho.

moving from cube smart may start earlier than 2pm. 2pm is when project storage will be cleared

Nice, I will be there, we should move trebuchet and I can chop it up at DMS

my back hurts already

we just need to bring the ryobi air pump, trebuchet has wheels (moving the 100 pound weights to break them up with a sledge will suck though)

We can cut stuff up there if possible

will dumptruck notice if we put 1,000 pounds of concrete into dumpster?

Can you bring the dumpsterable two printers back to 102 and pending the board vote on agenda for 22nd they will be gone?

sure

All of the stuff is coming back

3:53 PM

Committees will need to deal with their own stuff

Thank you.

The printers left the storage building a couple of weekends ago with the Russell Crowe dude.

Perfect. I guess. Not sure how I feel about the chair not knowing where our stuff went

Apparently, he is part of the wide format committee. And he has a pal that does big prints for a living, so he volunteered to take it to his buddy’s workshop so they could determine if any salvageable parts. He was told it could not return to DMS property. I think this is all in the TALK thread re: the board action requested by Lara and myself. Lara knee, but was getting sick, so she can be forgiven.

Thanks. I honestly dont care as long as we are no longer paying for storage

yeah they are upping the monthly cost per unit

Yes, they're being stripped of any useable parts, and will be otherwise trashed. Any $ from salvage comes back to the SIG/committee.

cool

So we can remove the agenda item

I'll try to help with the storage unit if you tell me when and where. I need to lift heavy things and not think for a while.

Well, I'd rather carry through - just so it doesn't come back to bite anybody in the butt. Whether CA, the board, Russell or some other mystery person.

We will be busy today, likely need to split into two groups to tackle off site and then project storage. It's gonna be hot and dirty so bring clothes you don't care about

9:34 AM

Project storage removal starts at 2pm. Off site will get started as soon as we have a truck

We got a box truck for today right?

Working on it now

Brandon's bringing a cooler of iced down gatorade

Oh good. thanks

10:29 AM

I was going to buy a pack myself when I headed out

I don't think Alex and I are making it out to this one. Hope everything goes well!

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No worries. I don't think we will be getting any threats this time

Only threats of a good time.

Need some bodies over at cubesmart for moving stuff

I'm 30 to 60 minutes out

~20 minutes for me, getting over food poisoning was fun

Which cubesmart is it?

2:02 PM

I haven't been out tonit, and the storage listed on the kiosk isn't a cubesmart

https://goo.gl/maps/YkK2T8nW8UYvW2xA9

Google Maps

Find local businesses, view maps and get driving directions in Google Maps.

2:03 PM

I forgot the gate code though, @pearce or @yashsedai can probably let us know

834351

It’s right next to the Racetrack on Luna Rd @ valley view.

Not sure why I didn't think of this yesterday, but should we move all of the slipcasting molds into Ceramics current space?

electricians still at work in 102 workshop?

*North workshop...

10:40 AM

It is my understanding that there is a LOT of electrical work to be done in the north workshop. I've not been able to attend (life gets in the way) any of the expansion meetings as of late, but that's what I'm hearing.

10:41 AM

@pearce Do we need to make some sort of announcement about where 'offsite' project storage went to this time (not actually offsite)?

When electrical work starts I can help shuffle things in warehouse, pushed most stores things close to walls, is a lot to go through and distribute to commitees or trash

are we going to quibble about suite number vs cardinal directions now?

I don't think any electrical work has started, and don't know when it would

I recall mention of electrical work being conducted on a contingent scheduling basis at one point and I've often seen materials laid out in the 102 workshop

I have no source, but all the electrical stuff laying around has been there a long time, I think it was a donation or something with the expectation that it might be used and save us money, would need to get a confirmation from who is actually talking to electrical contractors. I assume that would be Rich, I don't know

Rich or Radcliffe

@Adam yes, I need to make some signs and replace the cube smart info

Rich has done a LOT of minor electrical repairs to bring the existing wiring up to code, and he has been mapping out existing wires, in some cases creating new drops from wires left in the ceiling.

1:03 PM

We also had Bright Electric come out and do a panel swap and some other work, as well as map out how the heavy switches are setup.

1:04 PM

Rich is using that information, as well as info about Kilns, Machine shop equipment, etc. to map out where we need more electrical. He will be getting bids on that work as soon as possible

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@StanSimmons know if Rich has good enough notes to add the wiring to the cable map we're making in LucidChart?

I suspect he does, he is very meticulous.

1:06 PM

@pearce please send me an email on which cubesmart units have been vacated. I need to close those out if we aren't expecting to use them again.

1:07 PM

... and were they swept out, ready for turning back over?

We still have to clean them so don't tell them we are closed yet

I got a voice mail saying that at least one was unlocked

1:10 PM

unit 1001. I have more of the cylinder locks if needed

We got a new one and it still doesn't work well. 1001s lock on the door is garbage and new/old locks can't turn all the way

1:21 PM

1001 is empty but absolutely needs sweeping

Man yesterday fucked me up. I couldn't finish my workout

Wasn't logistics enough of a workout?

glutton for punishment he is

Gotta maintain the routine

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That's what I say every time I eat a donut

It's takes a lot of work to stay in shape round is a shape

One of the best

or as a former boss used to put it when lunch was delayed - *my stomach is getting wrinkles*

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My watch died halfway through the Logistics day, and before my excercise ring had been closed. That's why I had to bail out of dinner quickly. I went home and got just enough charge into my watch to go for a run before midnight. Made my daily goal at 11:55pm! (edited)

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11:17 AM

I'm on day 183 of hitting all of my Apple Leash (watch) goals. Half way to a year!

I'm really trying to get into lifting weights but get a bit overwhelmed by all the options. Been trying to follow a bunch of r/fitness sidebar stuff. But I've been consistently going to the gym 3-5 times a week for the last 3 months.

11:24 AM

We should probably take this to #off_topic

lifting weights? There is plenty of stuff in warehouse that needs lifting into dumpster

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she picks things up and puts them down

Found the guy who has had the giant bed sized wooden box on tables for months.

1:36 AM

He said he wasn't storing it on the table

1:36 AM

"storing" vs "letting sit for days to cure"?

what what what

1:43 AM

then wtf was he doing

Like 4 months

1:43 AM

"Working on it"

1:43 AM

Real fuckin slow

...

1:44 AM

what about the person that has camped on the table closest to electronics?

The resin guy?

aye

Same kind of shit. I have to find him and have a talk

1:45 AM

But some of the tables he has squatted on are his

ah

1:46 AM

wasn't fussing

1:46 AM

just curious

But he apparently has permission from someone

lol

1:46 AM

permission eh?

1:46 AM

where is my sherrif emoji

1:47 AM

bah

Science would like some more lights installed in their area

1:57 AM

If someone wants to do an led replacement that will help them out a lot until I can get another light tray ordered

lol

a "light tray" ?

Box, housing, metal unit of holding

new fixture

You say tomato I say potato

7:37 AM

They requested a new fixture but I'm not sure we can just wire them in

if it's at all like the other ~200 troffers in the building, it can be retro'ed to handle LED

It looks like we could just move the one closer to the shelf over and put the new LEDs in

they'd also like ponies

With rainbows

Could put up the halogen work lights that were in off-site, a heater and lighting in one

the light emitting resistor

Do we not have any functional ryobi rotary hammers?

1:56 PM

I'm wondering if renting a larger rotary hammer / jack hammer would be worth it for breaking up the trebuchet weights

1:59 PM

a 10 or 12 pound sledge might work too and not require 120v

1:59 PM

does DMS have a sledge hammer?

Infrastructure bought a larger rotary hammer recently. It got used to break up the leveling under CA

What is your truck doing at 9:30pm tonight?

yeah the rotary lives in the 104 server closet

3:05 PM

it's a nice big Bosch unit. SDS Max bits

3:05 PM

not sure what bits are in the box with it

How about this weekend?

Sure (was a half joking question in how to exploit someone with a truck, feel free to say no, but it would be a good suspension test to put 1,100 pounds in the bed)

I'm down for it, just a bit of an ordeal for a weeknight.

come now

3:45 PM

you have no life michaelb

3:45 PM

DMS IS YOUR LIFE

Lol

I got a carbide sawzall blade, may try to chop up rest of trebuchet metal tonight

5:25 PM

@pearce are there any pallets of stuff I shouldn't throw away?

There's a pile of trash, the rest should belong to committees

5:25 PM

I'm on the way up

was thinking of trying to clean up some of the non committee stuff

5:27 PM

is there anything hazardous in an old fridge? I could chop that up

Just stench and refrigerant

@pearce Can we spend all of logistics july budget on this uline order? 4x https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-11460/Specialty-Paper/Butcher-Paper-Roll-White-30-x-1100 $220 6x https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-1023/Pallets/Industrial-Plastic-Pallet-48-x-40-Black $246 4x https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-3325R/Utility-Carts/Uline-Flat-Shelf-Utility-Cart-44-x-25-x-33-Red?model=H-3325R&RootChecked=yes $620 Could optionally not replace all the utility carts right now

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I'm headed to home depot for stuff and things. Can I pick up blue tape for DMS while I'm there? @pearce

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Too late....

Don't worry, my request for you to not make purchases for logistics would have prevented it.

Thanks... dick

9:23 PM

I was asking as a courtesy to give you the option.... and your response is pure grade a dickishness.

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@AGr why do you think we need more carts right now?

So I can throw away the others and they would all match

9:31 PM

And I think the size of those are better suited for our uses, would fit through doors

do they have a sturdier cart like that

9:32 PM

the casters on those suck

While I appreciate matching them I think we can get more life out of the ones we have now

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@michaelb free tonight to haul some stuff to DMS?

5:34 PM

@michaelb

Yup. I'm going to head over and work on truck AC. I'll be around for a while.

There is about one truckload left in unit 1000 if you don't count the tombstone table, a kiln, a shelf that can be chopped up, and some random small stuff

We got pegboard display shelving for the consumables shop

Where are they going? In the galley still?

Could chop off back side and add feet so they are against wall, would we want to make them taller? (edited)

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These were a donation from Mike Jury. He got them from Tree House, which has closed. I think he paid $20 for all 6, with shelves and hardware

1:34 PM

He said to use them as we saw fit. I think they would be great for the galley selling wall

what is a galley selling wall?

The place to sell consumables using square kiosk

thx

Yes I was thinking to cut the back shelf off like @AGr said. I didn't get time to see what that would take.

4:29 PM

I want to also build a drawer for understocking

Could one or two also be repurposed for tool racks in the Flex area?

The pegboard displays?

9:59 PM

Probably

9:59 PM

Would need some elevation or taller shelf bases

Clay getting poked by metal I'm drunk now

10:11 PM

10:12 PM

Too good to pass up, sorry

10:12 PM

Hhahahaha

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Hahahaha

damn it @yashsedai dr pepper hurts going back up.

Hehe glad to be of service

You put the metal in the bag of clay and dry it all up...

oh gawd

it puts the bag in the bin or it gets the metal again

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2

5

2

Hahahaha

@pearce slat wall or peg board in galley? Could setup slat wall now, pegboard requires building lower shelf and chopping steel frame bottom in half

8:58 PM

Need to find a service that will come pick up ~75 gallons of different cans of paint and finishes

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Aren’t computers infrastructure?

Confused people....

@AGr we can take them in small batches as we make home depot/Lowe's runs. They'll usually dispose of some for customers if you drop it at customer service on your way in

10:40 PM

At least that's what I've done for years. Haven't had to dispose of paint buckets myself in a year or two

Lewisville residents can take them on 2nd Saturday https://www.cityoflewisville.com/about-us/city-departments/public-services/trash-and-recycling-information/hazardous-household-waste-hhw

Officially, for household disposals only

If you bring some home... they are in your house

Just providing information.

I disposed of ... a lot ... of 7.2AH lead-acid batteries at one of their hazardous waste days. A few eyebrows raised, but I was truthful - I've acquired a number of old UPSs over the years

How many of the black office chairs are we keeping? I'm thinking of making a large pile then meeting with a junk removal service to get a quote to take all the junk from warehouse (paint, old lights, extra cube walls, extra chairs, fridge)

cube walls surely worth something to someone, however the vagaries of selling them ...

exactly, we are in process of enacting several new financial rules to restrict sale of assets, its not worth the risk of abuse to make a relatively tiny amount of money

beg permission on the front end or someone else gets hit with paperwork on the backend when forgiveness is less likely to be forthcoming

So who's up for a recurring Amazon order for consumables. Least amount of work possible.

That would be good, its purchase agents with a credit card that are in short supply (they would still need to manually submit receipt for the automated purchase), from what I gather expensify (receipt submissions system) is fubared

No they are not in short supply, @pearce just refuses to use one of them.

4:15 PM

Are we not in a cash crunch? Ordering online has been about 20% more expensive

Depends on if honorarium payments are still rising exponentially or if they decreased substantially from peak with recent changes

4:19 PM

Was the recent changes both half pay out and a cap on total classes?

I believe so. It's a $50 total now, split between the teacher and committee, and a $15k cap

Also still testing my theory that membership number should level off and start rising again soon

4:23 PM

july will still have less revenue than june by ~$1,000 (edited)

Thank you @yashsedai for picking up the paper towels today.

6:21 PM

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/thank-you-freddy-for-the-paper-towels/60010

6:23 PM

Lol only 15?

13 was all that would fit in the car... including the one in my lap. Should hold us for about 3 weeks

Good evening! Who is in charge of cleaning out lost and found periodically? And how often is it cleaned? PR is going to begin setting up the lobby this week and while we have a space for it in the lobby, Lost and Found is overflowing with items that have been there for months.

We clean it out pretty much once a month when off-siting is done

10:08 PM

At least that's the only time I know of

10:35 PM

Where does lost and found end?

It gets cleaned when we do off site days

10:38 PM

That's definitely not all lost and found

10:59 PM

Everything was moved to pallet in warehouse, probably trash in 5 weeks

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❤

11:00 PM

you are my hero

Lots may have been VR committee, will be sure to contact them before anything leaves DMS

What is VR committee?

Sig? No idea

Thank you very much Brandon!

Y’all are amazing and I love y’all.

5:28 AM

VR is virtual reality. I don’t think anything was theirs as far as I could tell.

5:30 AM

Only the stuff on the wooden shelves was lost and found. The blue bin was software developments. They are supposed to move it. The white shelves are PR and I’m not 100% on the tables contents. I’ll let the other guys know tonight where to find everything just in case and I’ll let software dev know where the tub it. Thanks again!

5:32 AM

Side note- would it be possible to donate the usable lost and found? I know there was a huge bag of cloth that sewing might like. I’m not sure of the rules for unclaimed property though. If anyone sees a Panama embassy mug it’s mine and I’ve been looking for it since it was taken from the kitchen and never returned.

Generally, we do not "re-allocate" anything (lost&found, project storage that is overdue, etc.) in those ways because it leads to accusations of impropriety and/or hurt feelings (imagine walking in to find "your" mug being used by another member because "it was on Lost&Found for 5 weeks and was about to be tossed out, but I just couldn't let this beautiful piece go to the garbage!"). This is, to my mind, one of the hardest things we have to do, throwing away perfectly good and usable stuff because {insert reason, but in the end, because some member didn't take responsibility for their stuff, instead leaving it for others to have to deal with}. It hurts all of us to have to throw away perfectly good stuff, but it's necessary...

Would it be possible to donate to another nonprofit? If there was a rule that clearly stated neglected items would be donated after X number of weeks/months then it would remove liability.

...and sewing doesn’t want bags of old fabric. In my experience, when fabric is donated, it’s usually pretty “meh” (not high quality fabric, “dated” color trends, etc) So it just gathers dust and takes up valuable floor space. People are always contacting my quilt guild when their sewing relatives die, wanting to pass on their stash. But we are already spending $$$ on a storage unit filled with old fabric.

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I had no idea we are paying to store fabric...

7:43 AM

I like the idea of donating to another non profit. Good Will specifically once claimed to recycle all fabrics which could not be sold as-is, and claimed they loved doing it because it was actaullly beneficial to them... Point being, if it's actually beneficial to some other NPO to take our castoffs, I would love to see that happen, and suspect noone would stand the way of it, provided it actually happens reliably ...

I think Judy was saying her quilt guild pays to store fabric. Not DMS.

oh.

There’s a craft resale store in Denton that might like it. Goodwill is for profit

Know what VR stands for, just there is no such committee

You are correct! There are VR nerds in digital media.

Gotcha, thanks!

Goodwill is NPO as far as I can tell: https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/allSearch.do?ein1=53-0196517&names=&resultsPerPage=25&indexOfFirstRow=0&dispatchMethod=searchAll&city=&state=All+States&country=US&postDateFrom=&postDateTo=&exemptTypeCode=al&deductibility=all&sortColumn=orgName&isDescending=false&submitName=Search https://www.countryliving.com/shopping/a18198848/is-goodwill-a-nonprofit/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodwill_Industries

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8:32 AM

(not that I'm bucking for using them; they were just an example of someone who claimed to do "the right thing" with donated textiles, in my opinion)

Ooohhhh thank you for that link!!

8:41 AM

Last I heard was a few years back so is very well that they could have been less transparent and were attributed to be for profit

what I'm able to find online says they were founded in 1902 as non-profit, and always have been. But my research is hardly exhaustive. But there was quite a smear campaign, apparently , in the last decade (I'm sure there've been others) Here's the snope article: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/executive-salaries-charities/ and here's the pertinent bit to GoodWill excerpted on their site: https://www.goodwill.org/uncategorized/think-before-you-donate-and-get-the-facts-about-email-rumors/ and this quora article makes some good mentions: https://www.quora.com/Is-Goodwill-a-nonprofit-organization

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I like you. This is fascinating and I am thrilled to have learned more.

SCRAP in Denton has also been overwhelmed with crap fabric. And crap in general. They are now picky about what they accept.

Mount Carrollton always demands more bulk material

I pay for a storage unit for my excess fabric.

I’m slowly moving through it and moving it along. I usually bring it to the Free Shelf.

2:06 PM

Maybe I’ll just dump it all at Goodwill. Thought I wasn’t bringing it up there unless it was decent.

2:07 PM

It never seemed to last more than a couple days. Though I always announce on Talk what I’m taking up there.

not sure how the 'shelf is run nowadays, but when I was Logistics Chair no small percentage of the contents of the 'shelf ended up contributing to the enduring glory of Mount Carrollton

I figured if people saw on Talk that it was coming, they would grab if wanted. I never saw it languish. But I’ll just take it all to Goodwill and skip the shelf.

a lot of what I pitched was just-barely-not-garbage like tech books on subjects that had well-and-truly died a decade ago, packaging bits and bobs, random well-used fasteners, unidentifiable random proprietary parts from consumer electronics / devices of 20+ years ago with no apparent re-purpose ...

It’s kind of hit or miss. We put a ton of denim on the free shelf that would have been great for a denim quilt.

2:17 PM

But if someone doesn’t want to make a denim quilt or lots of tiny jeans.....

Or groovy pieced denim suits ala 1970’s...

2:50 PM

-laugh- Those are cute. Denim quilt might be cool. In my ren-faire costume days, I used denim as an inner base for corsets.

Oh no

3:43 PM

I need a big people version of this

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Start crocheting!

No, not a fiberholic.

Come to the darkside... It's less awful than glitter rotisseries for thermal cups.

Y'all do know this is #logistics chat right?

11:54 PM

Fiberholics taking over everything

Yeah, we have no shame.

I gotta say, glitter rotisseries for thermal cups sets the awful threshold pret-ty high. I'm not surprised crocheting an entire predator outfit in adult sizes skates under that bar. Probably doesn't even have to hum the limbo theme...

#fibergang4life

FYI- there was a motorized glitter rotisserie doing its thing in the once and future wet classroom last night. They are a resin thing rather than a fiber thing, but @Lavarocks and lordrook both declared them “awful.”

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@aceat64 if I have to see coding posts in every committee...

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4:25 PM

And now we wait for people to retag with new print outs

Even though that never works lol

Lololol yup. There should be a way to email people reminders

Definitely needed. But the offenders aren't forgetting. They are gaming the system by printing a new ticket when the month rolls over so when we check dates they look clear

whats process when we see a new ticket on previous project next sunday, instant move to locked room? (also I will be out of town this weekend) (edited)

Will probably depend on the offender list. If they have a record of overstaying I don't see why they shouldn't get put into the room

@NobleGoblin it's been time consuming but we've been calling every single expired tag the weekend before it gets off-sited. As a courtesy reminder.

@mell y’all are doin the lords work then. You should look into streamlining with requiring an email or Talk username when they get a ticket

It's being looked at.

No one really liked my idea of a 72 hour deadman switch for people using project storage

I bet Roadrunner could come up with an Acme Solution for you.

Isn't Joe's stuff (wheels, struts, and valve covers) already out of date? I thought it was here last month

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Correct but it was tagged with an 8/4 tag and I couldn't call it otherwise

6:15 PM

We now have dates on people currently using the storage

6:15 PM

I'm not super worried about a new project going in today and getting a new tag, but people that have been there already are an issue

Donated a few screw bits

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Nice! Thanks

PH2 - easily the most-used

yeah I noticed the more common ones have drifted into the aether so figured I'd donate a few extras

12:36 AM

any other common sizes we could use?

in lesser quantities: PH3 , PH1, T25, T20

6:59 AM

impact bits are good for all-around use

Cool, I'll shop around

YO LOGISTICS. tomorrow is tagging for storage and work day for the rest of the logistics areas. We need bodies to show up and help out around the space

What time tomorrow?

2pm

If we are really motivated we could grab everything else from cubesmart except the giant table and then turn the cost over to leather working

Take a sawzall to deconstruct the two shelves, there is not much on them

Why cant the table be koved to the warehouse temporarily?

Whoever wants to move it can do that

@doug.emes I think logistics has a weight limit for the committee storage service and the table greatly exceeds it.

@pearce dunno if you saw talk but the printer is out of paper again. When you can we needs more printer food for ink stuffs

i saw, im not sure where its kept. but we can find more

could unexcellently steal receipt paper from a different receipt printer

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is there not more in the logistics closet? I could have sworn I saw some

That paper was usually in the hall cabinets where water fountains are now. Need to check cabinets above the fountains.

6:50 AM

Just saw talk and Stan found them.

I'm kinda thinking it would make sense to just stock rolls of paper towels

11:13 AM

instead of rolls and multi-folds

Yeah that's left over from when I switched to stocking only multifold, better to stick with just one

also, since we've got the logistics/supply room, we should consolidate everything to there

11:19 AM

that'll make it easier for people to know where to grab re-stock from

Iirc the z folds are like half the price.

I was also thinking, since we have a camera in there, maybe we could do a color coded "restock needed" sign, basically just a simple piece of paper for each good stocked, one green side and one red side

11:22 AM

green == good, red == restock needed

11:22 AM

simple way to let Pearce know what should be ordered

11:22 AM

other than stuff we have on auto-order

You could have a clipboard on the doot

11:22 AM

Door

11:23 AM

Old school

someone would have to check the clipboard though, if Pearce can see the stock levels remote, he can order at any time

I'm still a fan of Amazon subscriptions. Then no one has to check stock levels

Could we just hire a mime bbn to stay in there at all times telling us what we need through video?

@michaelb agreed, I'm thinking more for the stuff that we don't auto-order

Dont ignore my idea, it was valid (edited)

slowly backs away

But huzzah, you're caught in an invisible box!

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11:26 AM

I hate mimes

They're just not my type

Ted Cruz was a mime...that's all I need to know about their ilk.

here's a quick sheet I threw together, I've started adding some amazon subscription links

11:37 AM

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sAoNeR5ONNajWVdbUz2BpH-UxF99UHjjzQUJgw1dyuw/edit?usp=sharing

Logistics Supplies

Sheet1 Item,Notes,Order Frequency,URL Trash Bags (33-gal),250-count,1/month,https://www.amazon.com/Reli-Easy-Trash-Gallon-Count/dp/B07H8R5V3G Paper Towels (rolls),24-count, flex-a-size,10/month,

11:37 AM

I'm not super worried about the frequency/amount since we'll need to tweak that as we go

11:38 AM

once Pearce has a purchase card he'll be able to set those up

11:39 AM

playing telephone with the purchasing agents hasn't been super great, this should be much better

I'll be happier if ANYTHING starts getting purchased on a regular basis.... playing telephone with purchasing agents ISN'T the problem

lets try to keep this positive and forward focused

Since Pearce won't work with me, and apparently won't work with Art either, Freddy has had a card for quite some time and could have setup orders at any time.

and as Freddy said on Talk, he dropped the ball before with stuff Pearce asked him to buy, but again, lets focus on moving forward not being upset about the immutable past

and I'm positive that it shouldn't have taken 3 months to get things going

Stan, please stop

11:43 AM

we're trying to be productive and you're just beating a dead horse

Idea for multifold was not just that they are cheaper per sheet, buy I don't like the look of random rolls on every table, can hard mount a multifold dispenser on wall next to wherever they are needed and they would always be available in same place

I'm not against the multi-folds if it makes sense (edited)

11:44 AM

we have those dispensers in the bathrooms already

Rolls are much easier to dispense for the common folks.

I never liked stocking the z/multi because they're kinda unwieldy to stack up (edited)

11:45 AM

dropped a whole stack once, that was fun

And people never use just one, they usually grab a handful

Yeah but they also make the space feel a bit more like a commercial location and less like someone's home

11:48 AM

If y'all want I can laser cut some z fold dispensers that can be carried around

that might be kinda cool actually, also shows off the makery aspect of the space

We tried zfold everywhere back when Brandon put the dispensers all over the place... they were pretty universally disliked over rolls.

"sure we could buy paper towel holders, but this is a makerspace"

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I remember they were just hard to stock

11:50 AM

Because people couldnt open the security dispencers

took some dexterity to load

11:51 AM

on the other hand the bathroom dispensers sure held a cr_pload of them

They were very poorly designed

11:51 AM

.. the uline ones

So on one hand we've got difficult to load and non portable

11:51 AM

On another we've got cheaper and can load more into a dispenser

the utility closet dispenser was sh_t - the key vanished almost immediately and I ended up hacking the latch to just sort of hold

if we've got non-security locked ones, should be easier to load

guessing that dispenser has since gone to greener pastures

Because we are relying on volunteers to restock them when needed a latch seems like the better option

bathrooms have inbuilt z-fold dispensers

We tried attaching a key to each dispenser, but one would disappear, then someone would take one from a working dispenser and then two would be missing keys.... and so on

A key also doesn't sound like a sticking point for a makerspace. Replace the cylinder with a 3d print, or just keep a set of rakes next to the lock

The two ADA toilets in 102 do not have built in zfold

Lol

11:54 AM

Lock picking practice with the rusty lock picks (edited)

if we can just get VCC to have lockpicking 'practice' thrice weekly ...

I'm pretty sure all the others do have zfold

despite cost/density being worse, a rolls-only system would be simplier, easier for random members to stock, etc

I was thinking you could replace the cylinder with a 1/2" steel rod with a tab on the end that mimics the cylinder

there are cr_ptastic cylinder locks sold on the 'zon that all use the same key

Then it's just a latch and it can be changed back later at little cost

I'd say epoxy the key in place but we know better

I can definitely see someone breaking the key with it glued inside lol

there are also latches in the cylinder lock formfactor

I'm of the strong opinion that dispensers force people to actually put some thought in the process vis grabbing a shitpile full

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armfulls of rolls

They make dispensers with push buttons instead of key latches

12:02 PM

Even if we put up 20 damn dispensers

12:02 PM

I think in the end it would be cheaper

Worst we can do is try it for a bit and revert back

Is Logistics going to get rid of the Cintas Toilet Paper? (Please!)

We were looking into the contract with them. It was unfortunately signed for a long time. I think we could trade out the tp for something else though

If you look closely, I don't think the contract had the start date filled out. It could likely be broken

12:26 PM

That is what somebody was saying a couple of months agon

It didn't have a spot for the start date at all. And yes that was one of the things being looked into

I kinda like the automatice soap and paper towel dispensers, but if we lose those to get rid of the John Wayne TP, I'll be happy.

12:29 PM

That stuff could double as 80 grit in the woodshop!

So, i've priced out the Georgia Pacific enmotion papertowel dispensers

12:30 PM

They run 58.36 per dispenser

12:30 PM

Papertowels come in 800ft hardwound rolls

Similar to the Cintas dispensers?

These are the gold standard in industry and they just fucking work,

12:31 PM

https://www.grainger.com/product/4HVJ1?gclid=CjwKCAjwyqTqBRAyEiwA8K_4O7vhUVqWYT5dN1bqTxQ4WKdvNKUuqcPDRP4_cuT0sWgCsdsT4b1_dxoCEyAQAvD_BwE&cm_mmc=PPC:+Google+PLA&ef_id=CjwKCAjwyqTqBRAyEiwA8K_4O7vhUVqWYT5dN1bqTxQ4WKdvNKUuqcPDRP4_cuT0sWgCsdsT4b1_dxoCEyAQAvD_BwE:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!2966!3!281733020579!!!g!471558333041!

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12:31 PM

anyways

12:31 PM

its 85.20 per package of 6 rolls

12:32 PM

Each roll holds roughly the equivalent of 3/4 of a package of paper towels

12:32 PM

Initial cost per station is 72.20

12:32 PM

Refil is approx 14 per roll

12:33 PM

What I am getting at here is that even if we put up an assload of machines, cost is relatively low

12:33 PM

Also the machine is adjustable for qty, delay, etc

12:33 PM

This is grainger pricing so they can obviously be had cheaper

12:35 PM

they claim a battery life of 200 rolls

12:35 PM

its 4 d batteries

12:35 PM

even if we halved that that cost is negligble

better than the battery dispensers at my workplace that are lucky to go 2 weeks

12:40 PM

probably not worth the effort to spring for rechargeable cells

12:41 PM

although Tanners had some nonsense like 14Ah NiMH D cells the other day

We use those enmotion at work and they are great.

Yeah I've had pretty good experiences with the ones that my workplace has too.

Others hate them, but I love the Xlerator air dryers. Whatching the skin on the backs of my hands wobble around always reminds me of the video footage of the faces of pilots breaking the sound barrier.

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They spray poop

Mythbusters tested that... Turns out paper towels and dryers are equally messy (not messy), assuming everyone uses soap. When not everyone used soap, the dryers were messier.

1:47 PM

So yeah paper towels are probably better for DMS.

Use your pants like a normal Human

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So I was at IKEA. The restrooms located under the stairs between top floor and bottom floor had no soap dispensers to be seen. Yet still had the admonition that employees had to wash their hands before returning to work. ?????

Uh, maybe it's in the keurflingem

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rinsing > nothing

bring back powdered soap and the long loop of denim-like cloth for drying hands

10:35 AM

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Hell ya

11:40 AM

Mechanical towels

Do those at least have some sort of uv system in the top?

Haha no

Bleh

They were especially fun when you were at a big event and the towel had made the circuit multiple times. You could get wetter hands while drying them

the more modern version of those is Supposed To™ not actually be a loop - instead retracting a strip into the body of the "dispenser" and the whole thing is washed, dryed, returned to service

1:43 PM

but when I was a kid I swear they were just ~5' circumference loops that ran through a wringer

Lolol

2:04 PM

Is true

Has anyone used the Ryobi one+ 6Ah batteries?

3:36 PM

Too big for the form factor? Or should we stock a few

I think I have two of them

3:38 PM

I recently got two of the newer style, just don't recall the Ah

6Ah are same size as 4Ah / 3Ah

3:42 PM

it's the 9Ah that's the enormous 3P5S

3:43 PM

for whatever reason Ryobi stuck with 18650s, which are costly for >2.5Ah high-rate cells

Yep

21700 looks to be the future of cylindrical cells

So you think it's worth getting some 6Ah?

but maybe they got some hand-me-down contracts from Milwaukee and secured a sweet supply at their price point

3:44 PM

if they're cheaper than the usual $120/pair price, sure

3:45 PM

the 3Ah packs that they occasionally do promos on may be better bargains - 2P5S with 1.5Ah cells, where the market produces the obscenely high C rates

I'd love to buy on promos, but I need to do a restock nowish

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are they doing twofer deals anywhere?

3:48 PM

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3:48 PM

about $40 a battery

Unfortunately none locally

3:49 PM

Might do a split order them online and get expensive bandaid ones now

"Free ship to store for pickup" per website. Dunno if that actually means stock or no.

Says 13th-16th

I'd loan DMS some of my fleet but I suspect the depreciation upon return would be significant

3:53 PM

couple of times I've ordered from home despot dot com I got the impression they're just waiting to be subsumed by amazon

All but 4 of the batteries are actually still testing ok and charging

10:08 PM

I think people might be confused on the led indicators

10:08 PM

Solid red is fine, it means it's waiting it's turn to charge (it only does one at a time)

10:08 PM

Fading from red to off and back means it's bad

Can we replace the missing charger? were originally 3 of the 6 battery chargers on the wall

What happened to it

don't know

10:18 PM

$70 https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-6-Port-Dual-Chemistry-IntelliPort-SUPERCHARGER-with-USB-Port-P135/206892719

RYOBI 18-Volt ONE+ 6-Port Dual Chemistry IntelliPort SUPERCHARGER ...

Provide more amperage for charging mobile devices by choosing this Ryobi ONE plus Port Dual Chemistry IntelliPort Super Charger with USB Port.

One has been wandering around the 102 workshop

might need to herd all ryobi things back to the one and only tool wall where things should be returned to

Wish Ryobi would update those 6-bay chargers to do more of them concurrently. Also be nice if it could serve as a UPS.

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Woot woot

Need to grab new air lines for the Ryobi air pumps

11:28 PM

I guess?

have they ever actually been used?

Impact we bought was used, and dead. Gotta return it

weird. the 3Ah packs I procured are the same physical size as my 4Ah packs, which are the same size as the 6Ah packs.

Ryobi further confusing the market with "Lithium+" 3Ah packs in a different formfactor than the newer sekzier "+HP" packs?

Offsiting day on Sunday!

I'm going to try to get there early to make a bunch of boxes so we're good to get down to work ASAP. Do we have boxes still? Or need to get someone to buy some more?

We have a lot of boxes, in corner where vector used to be

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Correct

@michaelb think it would be possible to load granite table into your truck with some ratchet straps and inclined planes? As long as tailgate supported it

12:19 PM

Renting a small trailer would be much safer

I could rent van from HD tomorrow, only a 28 inch high load floor, with a floor jack shouldn't be hard

If you want to clear the rest of the stuff out of the storage unit do that. If leather working has to pay for the unit they will be more inclined to actually move it.

I can clear it all and put that table in the middle of CA

I don't think it's all ca stuff

@pearce do you want 5 of these for free on casters nice sturdy table.

1:33 PM

The only thing any of the current CA people know about in storage is the granite table for leather. I think Shay was going to check with Mike Churchill (@HankCowdog) to see if he's still in town long enough to do the transfer, since he picked it up from the original donor and placed into storage for leatherworking originally. Please do not dump random stuff in our area without confirming that it is in fact ours.

Right, no dumping, just carefully placing in a location on casters

@JoshW those are nice tables where are they located and how would transport work?

@AGr if you ever have questions about ca stuff, please text or call me. I'll pm you my info. I'm attached to my phone but not always online.

Dear @filler of dumpsters: harrumph. Virtual stink eye at the sarcasm.

@pearce , GUESSING @JoshW is talking about them being at this warehouse: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/super-ware-house-sale-and-free-wood/60580

Super ware house sale and free wood

super ware house sale different items make an offer type deal free used 2x10 lumber used for axe throwing All at 418 e jones st lewisville tx 75057 warehouse with the 2 big silver stacks today till 6 pm and again wednessday 8 to 5 come get a treasure our lose your gain

@AGr it'll fit in the truck but maybe next weekend. Thinking of putting some plywood or something in the bed to protect the actually pristine 1973 bed floor.

Headed to storage unit to chop up shelves so they will fit in dumpster

The shitty ones? Like 12"deep

Yeah, the wobbly old larger personal storage ones

8:50 PM

Can you remind me of the code so I don't have to search through my phone for it?

8:54 PM

Found it

9:00 PM

For reference the leather working table is 49 inches tall, 49 inches long, 31 inches wide

Should always fully weld joints

This is not allowed

10:09 PM

generally we dont have a good place to dry stuff

10:11 PM

the new tables were supposed to resolve that

10:14 PM

so long as they return soon it should be okay, i cant make out the notes

looks like tonight (8/10) (edited)

Top one says "Finish Drying Return 8/10 in AM 240-506-2636"

10:19 PM

Bottom one says "Glue drying will return in evening 8/10 Paul (936)645-6266"

My hope would be put it on pallet in project storage or under table to dry

10:34 PM

Should I combine paint from dry goods room onto this pallet or put pallet contents in dry goods room?

10:34 PM

10:35 PM

Need to make pallet room for all these toxic chemicals

what's in the boxes in front of the table?

Lots and lots of water damage destroyed telephones

That’s an odd thing to be storing... and definitely doesn’t belong to CA.

We moved a metric fuck ton of phones that were stored off site for some reason

Oh I think we know whose phones those were

lol

They were phones that Brooks donated from the company he worked for. They were extras that matched the ones we had here. Brooks is the one that stored them there.

10:52 AM

If they are water damaged, then dumpster them.

Got van and half a liter of water, headed to storage unit

Filled dumpster last night, so will probably have to stage stuff in warehouse before filling dumpster again

Gotta uphold the name

Heading to space now. Oops. Didn't get there early at all. (edited)

1:44 PM

Or should we head to storage unit. Need help @AGr ?

Space. He's in the workshop now

Headed back to unit for final load now

Was dumb to think I could move table without a low trailer and dollies and 4 people

2:55 PM

Congrats CA on your new leather working storage locker

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I can head back with you later.

We can prorate this month and only charge creative arts $100 for August storage

3:07 PM

I'm unloading in warehouse then returning van

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5:22 PM

Cut list for mk1 attempt

I cut plywood but then got hungry, will complete first two some night this week

Let me know and I can try and come up

@pearce : Mike Churchill can p/u the table from storage for leatherworking TONIGHT but needs to know how to access the unit (key?) and unit number. And gate code. I added you to a pm on TALK. If you can respond there, would be most grateful.

Still on the fence if using the 2x4s is worth it, putting a 3/4" sheet across bottom seems like a good idea.

What's the idea with the 3/4" sheet?

need something to tie the front two 2x4 together, intially I had a 2" tall strip of plywood across the bottom front face. With the 3/4" sheet could either put doors on it or place drawers sitting on the plywood (edited)

Place for the slides too

cut reuse the plywood chopped up from other side but then it would be a couple inches from reaching the back

With that question I now understand that your drawers on wheels idea was wheels on floor

@pearce yup

assuming the front legs need lateral bracing, could do something like this and then still have drawer on wheels on floor

The only thing that might splay is the front 2x4s in the long direction. Everything else is captured by the side sheeting.

1:13 PM

And since those 2x4s are under the least load, I think we can safely assume they'll be fine and leave the bottom with nothing

I like the second option

Though probably just build it however and we can add/remove the plywood if needed

@michaelb as resident take advantage of the truck guy, would you have time to pick up 4 or 6 8' 2x4s https://www.homedepot.com/p/2-in-x-4-in-x-96-in-Premium-Kiln-Dried-Whitewood-Stud-161640/202091220

2 in. x 4 in. x 96 in. Premium Kiln-Dried Whitewood Stud-161640 - ...

Premium Kiln-Dried Whitewood Stud is an ideal choice for framing, shed playhouses, furniture and hobbies. Offers long lasting durability.

1:16 PM

would be easier than reusing random pieces

I'd like to minimize spending if we have the stock

I'll pay for $12 in 2x4s, easily worth time saved pulling pieces from the bottom of the pile

That's fair, I hadn't considered the price of 2x4s. But also thought there was more purchasing looming than $12

No problem. I'll try and grab them tonight

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Could make each drawer on wheels out of 1 sheet of 1/2" with this much extra (rough dimensions to account for blade width), would just use glue + kreg pocket screws to assemble

will need to measure height of wheels, something like this

Was catching up on things since I've been on travel. @AGr what was the shelving from last month's board meeting? My understanding was that we had plenty of shelving for those bins

To place black and yellow large bins on for a new rental based personal storage (distinct and seperate from project storage). We have lots of 4' deep pallet racks, but those are excessive to place the 24.75" deep on bottom black and yellow bins on

ok, the depth difference is what I didn't know about

2:09 PM

thanks

@pearce made you a more legible sign for free shelf

6:00 PM

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Excellent! Thank you for doing that!

Awesome Judy ... Thanks

@AGr no truck tonight, another sunk float

Made a long version as well with the vinyl that the cutter chewed up.

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8:12 PM

8:13 PM

Both are parked at the end of the shelf. Presumably one of the logistics minions can hang them up?

8:14 PM

I think the higher up the better.

Those signs are nice. Good job

Have to seen the signs she made for CA?

They aren’t hung yet

can do

(The not hung yet comment was in reference to CA signs, fyi)

I thought “not hung” was just a straight line out for our amusement.

Whoa, out of context that seems so strange

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my mind went dark places with that. I'm blaming the sleep dep.

sleep is for the weak

2:57 PM

and the old

2:57 PM

and me!

thinking of working on drawer thing for pegboard around 10pm tonight assuming cnc router is available. Should just be cut 2 sheets on router, cut some 2x4s, and assemble

I might still be there

I can probably have the 2x4s over tonight

I picked up some in my car, just had to get them cut in half there

Oh sweet.

2:17 AM

Mocked up upside down pedestal base, I have self taping metal screws to attach angle brackets to tubing

2:18 AM

Next steps if anyone is bored is to grind off the caster wheel nuts from tubing so bottom edge of square tubing is flat, then can attach these bases

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3:43 AM

Got the free stuff signs hung

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nice

shuffled that away from the entrance to the office?

@AGr I had taken that flat top pallet over to 102 for the woodshop dust collectors, not your stuff...

10:53 AM

Stan are you talking about the stuff from the pictures above?

Nope, I took a flat top plastic pallet over last night around 10 or so, and planned on using it to put the old woodshop dust collectors on it.... had it right next to them... now it has parts from the pedestal bases on it with Brandon's name on them. I didn't expect to have to put my name on it overnight.

10:58 AM

not a huge deal... but the midnight sculker struck again.

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If you know something, say something.... I know nothing.

Sorry, I can free up some pallets and put dust collectors on them tomorrow

Sounds pretty villainous for describing someone using an unmarked pallet to store a project he's making for DMS.

I guess you are too young to remember the BC comic strip and "the midnight sculker" character in it... sorry your sense of humor is broken.

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Probably. Sorry if I missed some context.

So wait, you moved a pallet to put things on, but didn't actually put things on it, and now you're mad someone who needed a pallet used it?

12:31 PM

Makes sense

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@michaelb Would you care to pick up 4 sheets of 1/8" 4'x8' hardboard from home depot and drop them off by tomorrow night? I'll pay you back, should cost $32

That depends on if I can get the truck running. I'll let you know tonight.

ah, carb issues?

It flooded on Monday, I thought it would flash off when I fixed the carb, but it's so bad it's hydrolocking on the starter. I gotta pull the plugs, blow all the gas out, and then it should run

wow, thats a lot of gas to hydrolock it

Yup. When a float sinks, it just dumps fuel straight from the pump into the intake.

I won't be able to use the truck for another few days, sorry.

no problem, have you ever looked at this pre painted hardboard? https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-8-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-Eucalyptus-White-Hardboard-447562/204727075

1/8 in. x 4 ft. x 8 ft. Eucalyptus White Hardboard-447562 - The Ho...

The Eucalyptus White Hardboard panel is a pre-finished premium hardboard with high internal bond. The exceptional stability and smoothness makes it ideal for paneling, furniture, fixtures, toys, and general

5:51 PM

Thinking of either trying that or putting some poly on the regular hardboard (edited)

Yeah I used the white stuff as a work surface when I did the carb rebuild. It was super slick, liquid didn't really get into it but it was a bit of a pain.

6:03 PM

We could do a couple options and see which one gets the most use

6:07 PM

White vs plain with no finish is what I was thinking. I really can't see the bare hardboard getting ruined in a month.

2 of each plain and white sounds good, will try to get them installed tomorrow

the glossy white isn't as durable as I'd like as I learned during my shed adventures

8:39 AM

matte white might be better

budgeting for ~annual replacement of the tops seems like easy street however

@AGr the cost of the hdpe tops was 180 total, or per sheet?

i think thats for 4x

45 per sheet from allied plastic

if you guys want to try it, i'll consider it a donation

I just dropped off some plain hardboard to cover tables with tonight to prevent anymore paint messing up people's projects

1:11 PM

Putting the HDPE on two tables to try it out would be great

alright. Put in order into Allied, and I'll pick it up tomorrow

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Does the hdpe replace the need for butcher paper?

Butcher paper is still useful to reduce cleanup, but with HDPE glue can easily be scraped off

lowers it at least, but I wouldn't say complete replacement

I will keep it on the list then

Anyway call in to allied and I'll pay for the order

2:56 PM

Or send me all the details

Finance has an Action Item list. I've added an entry for budgeting for the replacement of worktable tops. How much should I reserve?

Something like $30 per month (7.50 per table per month), assuming we spend 200 every 6 months on replacement

@AGr let me know when the order is in and what it is under, or send me the full specifics

@AGr, got it.

didn't realize there was an action item for me, I prefer not to call anyone, this is the info I got in a quote a couple months ago

HDPE is the perfect material for your application. It is abrasive resistant, resists stains and typical glues and adhesives do not stick. The cost for a sheet of .125 x 48 x 96 HDPE natural sheet @ 45.00 per sheet. We can cut the material down to whatever size you need.
Material is in stock.

Thanks in advance!


Ray V. Miles
Allied Plastic Supply
rmiles@alliedplastic.org
(972) 365-5599 (cell)
(214) 350-3990 (office)

"didn't realize there was an action item for me" Not for you, @AGr. I'm telling Brian to expect this as an annual expense.

all @AGr right I'll call it in. We're starting with two tables to test it out since you already put the hardwood on some, correct?

yeah hdpe on two would be great, thanks

left a voicemail with the sales person and followed up via email

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Thanks jim

Heading to DMS later to finish drawers

8:10 PM

Anyone have any kreg screw tips?

Like the driver or the screws?

Making drawers / cabinet with pocket hole screws in general

8:28 PM

Ha, glad I just watched video, would probably have drilled wrong side of board

Oh those kind of tips. Lots of clamps. They tend to walk on me

What are these called?

Old school legos.

10:29 PM

They look like clasps... Or eyelits

The bolt into female bolt

10:42 PM

Not what I would have guessed https://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Sex-Bolts/Sex-Bolt-Dimensions-Combo-Truss-Head.aspx

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Til bolts had gender

Intentionally went with 1/2 gap at top, should have done 1/4 instead, since its all screws could redo location of front face

3:12 AM

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A thing of beauty!

Looks awesome

Picking up the HDPE now (edited)

12:26 PM

Also FYI, whenever getting quotes make sure you tell the reps we are a non-profit and thus tax exempt. Most sales reps don't automatically know that

We have had issues with people telling allied that, and getting tax free incorrectly

that's on the people claiming tax-exempt for themselves

Ah, well our cert is on file for stuff like this

1:15 PM

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1:16 PM

All the work tables are in use and I have to go. It's on stone storage shelves

1:16 PM

I also rebooted the kiosk and it seems to be working properly

Nice, I attached two of the plain hardboard sheets last night, using countersunk screws, I guess same method would be good for hdpe

might want to countersink the HDPE first

Before sitting it on table? For hardboard I just put a clamp right next to where I was drilling and that worked to prevent debris getting under hardboard

Flush cutting worked but throws chips everywhere. It comes oversized ~7/8 inch oversize from listed dimensions

10:51 PM

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1:49 AM

One next to door needs shims (currently rocks on 2 points of contact), I blame the floor, don't have any on hand

Where does the pay machine go?

Probably left right or on, unlikely to be below or behind

2:41 AM

No idea, I don't know if it will just be square kiosk or square thing with huge cash box

Payment kiosk will be one of the black payment tombstones like laser has

6:38 AM

Thanks for setting that up Brandon

That's amazing, @AGr .

We have several of the square kiosks that were donated in the 102 warehouse. We will need the tombstone and an ipad.

We are going to use the tombstone and iPad stand currently in the front lobby

1:21 PM

Freddy is getting an iPad set up for it

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Came in today to work on car. Someone put 4 jugs of sweet tea and business cards on the 2 shelf. Put jugs and cards on black table. Hope someone's not using DMS to sell their tea.

Well, to be fair there was a table of sweets and other food there before

That table is gone

3:21 AM

Ya don't go to spirit Halloween store to buy diapers cause baby's r us was there before

thats some weird math but it checks out

hmm.... https://www.spirithalloween.com/product/wall-diaper-dan-zombie-baby-decorations/165526.uts

Wall Diaper Dan Zombie Baby - Decorations - Spirithalloween.com

4:12 AM

Not really my style

I got rid of the file cabinet that was on the dock

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I wonder if it’s animated? That would be kinda cool if along with glowing eyes and growling the hands or arms moved...

So how are the newly free tables in 102 looking?

2:44 PM

Or are they

2:49 PM

I haven't been able to get to the space in a few

We're moving the personal storage to the space in the flex area along the edge of electronics, where they have those lockers, right?

there is currently 35 to 40 linear feet of shelving

2:25 PM

in some number of months there could be half that much, would simpler to relocate them then, why do it now?

2:25 PM

It would also all fit in the new lobby, taking up half of all wall space there

2:26 PM

and then there is the option of removing the project storage shelving that is on the edge of machine shop in workshop (along with relocating unused vacuum former), and could place some small and large personal storage there

I was counting up current empty slots and combined with the upcoming empty slots from my most recent audit, we can eliminate one three-bin-wise section. Assuming we don’t suddenly get a rush to grab slots.

2:35 PM

The vacuum form is not unused; I took a class recently from Tim Black. But, it will be relocating to the plastics SIG area next to future machine shop.

2:36 PM

I don’t think lobby is a good spot due to lack of eyeballs on them and frequency of non-members hanging out there.

2:38 PM

But... when they build the wall for audio booth, perhaps the outside wall is a possibility. With some sound dampening between bins and wall, of course...

How about putting some in the hallway outside Digital Media, and some on the wall outside 104 server room, where the printer used to live.... rather than in the new lobby.

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It would be great if they were spread out

8:07 PM

You might be able to put one on the side of Printmaking across from the new 3d fab (edited)

8:08 PM

We really don't want them in the lobby outside of the RFID areas

Putting them outside digital media might not be a good idea with the pending wall reconstruction for audio booth

The wall outside DM isn't scheduled for demo

I think lost and found should be where the giant white cabinet was when digital media was E-Lab

They're going to have to rip off the drywall to put mineral fiber in them

Hahahaha

2:42 AM

He's got jokes

@Kevin that shouldn't be on the hall way side ...

5:46 AM

You put the soundproofing material in between

5:48 AM

The big issue will be the ceiling and the sprinklers (edited)

Hey, is anyone else having trouble with the web print option for the copier?

@pearce want me to clear space for black yellow bins tonight and we can set the shelves up this week?

Do we have code yet?

Within a few days, I think physical progress will motivate completion

I can mock up location idea, and move things back if it's not a good idea

Where are you thinking old vector area?

6:10 PM

Shelves backed up to machine shop?

Backed up to machine shop, one of current pallet shelving with backs against blue vector wall, will also improve walking room around work tables by moving the 4 feet deep pallet rack

6:19 PM

Vacuum former could plug into same spot but you'd need to roll it away / back to that pillar each use

6:21 PM

Should only take 1.5 hours for me to shuffle things and see what it would look like

Those shelves are fairly empty

Yeah, that will make it easy to try out my idea

Go for it

Got the easy part done, now to move extra shelving stuff to warehouse

11:51 PM

might want to wait to put black bins on or put full stacks of them on to show that they will go there

11:58 PM

but not useable yet

11:58 PM

because we cant charge for them yet

Before

2:42 AM

After

2:43 AM

I realized my initial thought of 60 was excessive, that's 40 bins

2:44 AM

Are these just placeholders?

Yeah

Next need to get shelving, modify shelving depth with 2x4s, finalize payment system, start on audit tools, publish rules

Man I prefer the open workshop look we have without looming shelving in there

12:33 PM

I'm glad we instantly built fake walls in the committee areas /s (edited)

Yeah was nice for a few minutes, I assume machine shop would prefer wallish things to be there, a bunch of saws are backed onto that line

I think the stacks are 1 level too high for actual number of bins per shelf?

12:43 PM

No those can be taller in that area

Yes looks much better without the tall junky shelves.

4 wide 5 rows high is what would fit on the home Depot shelves, same as what's in science

12:58 PM

whether its a good idea to have a bin 7 feet in the air is another question (edited)

Can't be over 10 according to Rich

1:04 PM

Also can't be over 40lbs

1:04 PM

So like 5 bags of clay?

with or without metal rods poking the clay bags?

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40lbs clay + poking metal rod + time in the hot warehouse= 20lbs clay...

Laughing all the way....

New! Concentrated MAXI CLAY! Formulated to maximize your storage potential to show those silly rulemongers that you CAN store 80lbs of clay in their silly 40lb box. Just reconstitute to use. We don't even have to furnish the patented METAL ROD! Your neighbor will do that FOR YOU!!

Top of bin would only be 8.4 to 8.6 feet high, well below 10, but would need a ladder to get top row bin

@pearce have you already ordered kraft paper?

1:49 PM

CA needs some so were trying to see of we could ta k into your order to save freight

1:49 PM

@ibi5

Ordering tonight

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From uline?

I just got a crash course on the procurement card

1:50 PM

Probably, I think we found smaller but ultimately the same price on amazon

could throw in a few boxes of masking tape if ordering from uline https://www.uline.com/BL_3108/Uline-Masking-Tape

Uline Masking Tape in Stock - ULINE

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1:52 PM

$52.20 for 1 box of 1" wide (edited)

Online is local but they are a bunch of meanies and charge a fee for pickup

1:52 PM

Uline*

Under 300 they do

1:52 PM

But also would need a pickup person

We were car shopping an actually thought of getting a truck just for the sole purpose of hauling shit to dms

I could take the bus but it's prepping for it's journey west right now

Let me know where you are ordering from- we could use two or three of our rolls in each kind

I'll send you a message when I get home

Thanks!

I can pickup stuff tomorrow if it's before 3pm.

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I'll let you know if that's an option

I'm not in town this week but the truck is slowly becoming more reliable as well

spare tire hasn't fallen out?

Not yet!

When is next logistics meeting? Was going to write up a wiki agenda submission for organizing a common room clean up day but there's nothing on the calendar

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Lol it's called kick out the campers

Lol I wish... no board meeting did bring up a good point. When we moved we just stuck things in half hazard with no direction

You could create a logistics group meeting on calendar, no meeting schedule other than project storage extension currently exists

Lol I see no reason anyone should monopolize dms space in the common area

1:23 AM

Computer setups, piles everywhere, out out out

Don't wish to impose or impede on current leader. It's his circus and monkeys now

Lol not suggesting you do

1:27 AM

I'm sure it will require some act of God the entrenched believe they own the joint

1:28 AM

Haha, maybe Kris will save them

We don't need a meeting to schedule a work day

So just pick a day? Make signs for advanced notice and hope for the best that people come out to help? Or maybe have it on offsite day...so we know helpers will be there

What exactly are you trying to do

Clean up/organize common room.

Right, can you elaborate on that? Do you have a plan on where things will go?

Not yet no. Like I said. Didn't want to step on toes

not stepping on toes to come up with a plan and present it\

Will work on something to fungi shui on Wednesday. I know @AGr likes to make diagrams and charts so if you have any input I'm all ears.

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I think it would be great to have cable trays under the tables

3:02 AM

I see masses of cables constantly ... need a solution for Ethernet

3:03 AM

Not certain if they make retractable 1G ethernet cables

3:03 AM

but it would be cool to be able to pull them and have them sucked back into the tables

3:07 AM

Perhaps cable trays would be better .. a quick look seems that the retractable ones are expensive

and they break quickly

Yeah, that sounds about right

3:10 AM

@Axeonos are you thinking about moving around things or just cleaning?

3:12 AM

Stan had a nice map with paper cut outs for tables to size... we played with many orientations and this one seemed the best but I'm interested to know what you can come up with

3:13 AM

The other thing is we already ran the ethernet

we set it up based on the map. im not even sure what comment was made at the board meeting. the tables have been filled with crap since before we moved it

3:13 AM

hap hazard or not

3:14 AM

im not interested in moving it again. i want to see the tables useable for people who want to bring in their laptops and work for a bit, not people setting up semi permanent locations with their "totally not an office" setups (edited)

Yeah .. however, I think Stan is an exception

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3:15 AM

because everyone goes to him for admin

no, sorry. that isnt how the space should be working

Then how should we do admin functions?

maker manager is almost entirely set up to be self service.

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It is a necessary part of the smooth running of the space and people signing up

3:16 AM

You should sit down for a while and see how much hand holding is required

3:17 AM

Someone needs to be present to help

3:17 AM

It doesn't have to be Stan

we had desktops set up for people to use to troubleshoot issues and then people moved in on those desktops to play games all day

and it doesn't have to be in the common room but we do need it

3:18 AM

Well, there are workstations setup for the purpose but many people either cannot get into them or have other issues because of software glitches

and i want to set up a kiosk for helping out with stuff like badge issues

I think you underestimate the friendly face and personal touch that an actual person brings to signing up and giving tours

3:19 AM

and fixing issues

but just like not allowing DM to set up a permanent location on one of the 102 tables, we dont need to use the common room tables to set up a permanent location for fringe case maker manager issues

It isn't fringe .. it is daily

im not removing that "friendly face"

3:20 AM

it could easily be a standing kiosk instead of a cluttered PC that makes other people think they can setup and do the same thing

To answer questions I wasn't going to move tables just stuff on tables

Perhaps we need an admin person/desk in the lobby

that was actually intended for the lobby, im not sure why expansion nixed it

3:23 AM

but it shouldnt be seen as "XYZmembers desk"

3:23 AM

anyone should feel like they can walk up and assist another member at it

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sure .. I see no issue with that .. however, I think it needs to be staffed during the day at least .. if we can find volunteers

maybe from like 5-9pm

I think it can be staffed as much as it can be staffed ... people are in all the time and we do need a central point of ... where do I go.. where is x ... how do I sign up ... how do I get a badge ... my badge isn't working .. answering the door / phone .. taking packages .. etc etc

I, for one, HAVE assisted new members with issues. I’m with Pearce on the standing kiosk concept after doing so.

8:43 AM

with the desktop, you have to first get to the front page of the website.

8:44 AM

Then, find the puny little super-secret place to click to get to maker manager

8:45 AM

Then, go through the process.

8:48 AM

Of the frustrated newbies I’ve retrieved from the front door, the biggest obstacle is the RFID scanner there. That particular one is a prima donna when it comes to the fobs. If you don’t swipe it held just right there’s no joy.

I've actually checked into a different badge reader for testing

8:51 AM

I'll likely pull the trigger today

That said, I’d rather see a kiosk setup on the wall by mail table that has a TABLET with the “home” set to the maker manager much like the lobby tablets for waiver-signing.

I don't really care for the staffing idea. I think when we staff that space we're a) showing that it's ok to set up a permanent location in the room (because no matter where it is, someone will camp out there), and b) catering to members who aren't able to figure this out otherwise Neither of those are positive things. Setting up a tablet is a better option.

Yay @yashsedai ! You da MAN!

why a tablet? I find trying to navigate ANYTHING on a tablet more confusing, but especially the "super secret" (yet conspicuous, in my opinion) link for maker manager on dallas.ms

Why not one of each

The waiver tablets OPEN at the waiver page. Ergo, it seems like a maker manager tablet could OPEN on the screen for that process.

A computer to use only for sign ups, no squatting allowed and a tablet out front

And, Andrew, I didn’t even know that maker manager portal was on the webpage until June when Stan was teaching me the ropes so I could look up membership status related to bin audit

@pearce : "i want to see the tables useable for people who want to bring in their laptops and work for a bit" The monitors get in the way of not just laptops. Board games. Makery. Discussion. It's not a common-use room anymore. (edited)

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9:04 AM

Remember when the tables looked like this?

9:04 AM

Flat surfaces. Flexible use.

9:05 AM

Now it's a computer lab.

Not one hundred condiment packets

Damn that's some good Photoshop. Nothing at DMS has ever looked that useable.

9:05 AM

/s

Well... I guess I forget I'm a computer geek among the populace (hence I'll just fiddle around on web pages, just to see what's there, like the rather precariously-placed, on a line of its own color, and with no other obvious purpose, link to "member portal" on the dallas.ms page) despite being a troglodyte among computer geeks...

9:10 AM

and I now understand the idea of a tablet open to the maker manager page...this idea gets my blessing

9:10 AM

('cause Lord know that'll help)

Honestly, I would rather see those tables filled with people working and collaborating on cool projects with all kinds of things including computers

9:22 AM

rather than empty and clean

9:22 AM

but yes they should clean up and leave at some point

9:22 AM

to let others in

I'm not making a case for empty and clean. I'm making a case for removing monitors so that we have workspace and line of sight to collaborate or work solo.

9:24 AM

We can bring in or borrow laptops when monitors are needed.

I've been helping new members get setup with badges after the new member orientation classes. Other than when maker manager was just straight down, they've all been able to self service using their phones.

The loaner laptops last I looked were not in good condition .. missing power cords, non-working ..

9:25 AM

Or cannot get onto jump

Relying on Stan to setup badges is a crutch, give a man a fish, teach a man to fish...

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No question that we need something ....

Now when those members inevitably lose or damage their badge, they can reissue them on their own

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I think sometimes it really helps to be able to talk to someone that is avaliable when you are there

9:26 AM

and knows what is going on

Yeah, that's what the new member orientation classes are for

You think we should sit in a circle and sing kumbya but we all know that isn't realistic

And I don't need a permanent office to do it

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But but exceptions Andrew!

If I work my job remote, so I'm at the space all day every weekday, can I get an office?

NO

I'll answer questions every now and then

go rent a space

this aint dallas officespace

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Most places our size have at least some staff

so?

9:29 AM

we aren't most places

We need some

no

9:29 AM

we don't

ha

9:29 AM

haha

9:29 AM

ok

We'd need to do background checks for staff

we need pedants to gtfo

9:29 AM

thats what we need

9:29 AM

lol

9:29 AM

background checks are scary

What types of crimes should disqualify someone for being staff?

it might out people

I think background checks would be good for staff

violent crimes? fraud?

when we hire some, eventually

Assault should definitely be a disqualification

we are moving that direction

we are not hiring anyone

Go / No Go checks since I do not want to know

I don't know why you can't get that

People keep telling me that we aren't a clubhouse anymore

We can't have employees

we need to grow up .. well hire someone

You need to grow up

Would you stop with the insults

Get out of the everything has to feel nice and warm mindset

We dont need staff to grow up

Sorry the truth hurts

No not staff ...

9:31 AM

I'm saying people are saying that as the reason for alot of the changes .. that we are not a clubhouse and we need to grow up

9:32 AM

DMS

You get where that not a clubhouse saying comes from right?

I thought I did but I'm beginning because of your statement to believe I don't ...

9:33 AM

Where does it come from?

It's from the previous board, they'd say it when they didn't want to explain their actions

9:33 AM

And then they'd do some clubhouse type thing

Well it also came from PureTax

9:34 AM

not those words

9:34 AM

but something similar

Maybe that's where the old board heard it, they sure didn't know other phrases until PT said them, like fiduciary duty

LOL

9:35 AM

old board and fiduciary duty

9:35 AM

those things don't belong in the same sentence

I learned fiduciary from A rocky and bull winkle episode. True fact.

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MOOSE AND SQUIRREL!

We don’t need to be all warm and fuzzy, but we do need to be user friendly.

I agree with this Judy

wow .. I didn't realize how angry yall really are ..

But hell, we have a doorbell that gets ignored.

angry from dealing with all bullshit you bring

No one is angry

I think there are a few that are

Well. Maybe Freddy

lol I'm always angry, from dealing with stupid shit that people who have nothing better to do with their lives dream up, cause RULES AND RULE LAWYERING

I mean, the old board only lied to the membership, slandered me and then banned me from an organization I helped build... Might make someone a bit upset

I'l let you know I answer the doorbell 6-7 times during our Saturday morning work sessions. But now we have a second bell too. Don't get me started on answering the voice mails we get.

Draco, you ever see someone kick a puppy? That's what watching the old board run DMS was like.

LOL

9:39 AM

poor puppy

Do you know what a former board member said to my friend who got sexually harassed at the space? Don't report it, these things just happen.

9:40 AM

The current board resolved that issue

I was in the common room working on something the day they had all the audition stuff happening. Doorbell ringing frequently. Others didn’t even acknowledge the sound. I felt bad about needing to leave, picturing all these non-members out there ringing the doorbell to no avail.

That problem is self-resolving: host answers doorbell.

door bell is great if there is support

9:42 AM

door bell commits all in hearing distance to answer, not what anyone except the person who put it up agreed to

9:43 AM

i'd rather there be no doorbell than deal with that shitshow, least they would have to contact the instructor

9:43 AM

sounds like a field that needs to be requried on the calendar

@Axeonos I was thinking we should move the computers from the common room to the pillar room

9:44 AM

We could make the pillar room a computer classroom

isn't there supposed to be a computer classroom at some point?

assuming it doesn't become temp woodshop expansion

Would need to get buy-in from classroom committee

how do we prevent from becoming a smelly fucking lan party?

9:45 AM

with shit strewn everywhere and cords and food and bugs

Automatic febreeze sprayers

hah

Could do a time limit for usage, just like other tools

My public library has a time limit.

9:46 AM

on PCs

LOL

9:46 AM

AUTO LOGOFF

It's a shared resource, monopolizing it is against the rules

Yes, autologoff is how it works at the library

9:47 AM

And you can't sign up for back to back sessions there either

@yashsedai can we set it so that auto-lock happens after say 6 hours and doesn't let them login to other PCs in that group/room for say 4 hours

lol

9:48 AM

now you are making work for me haha

I'm a Linux guy, all this clicking to configure stuff confuses and enrages me

but i like

9:49 AM

not sure it could work that way without programming but ideas none the less

Yeah I've got no experience with Windows group policy stuff

9:51 AM

Or just only allow red chairs in the computer classroom

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9:52 AM

I can sit in them for about 2 hours lol

I managed close to 4 hours one day without issue and I'm not a compact fella

I'm glad we got the donation of comfortable chairs

9:53 AM

I helped get them

Easier to clean are more important, don't worry we can fix it

not the crapy ones in the warehouse

9:54 AM

well these are not cloth

9:54 AM

so they can be wiped down

9:55 AM

and when they wear out we toss them

9:55 AM

and get another donation

9:56 AM

We want people to have the space feel like a second home

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No we don't

Sure we do .. as long as they go back to their first home

We already have people treating like a first home

you can choose to be wrong @Draco

Naw .. we want to build community

We want people feeling like a place they can get stuff done

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You want to build a utopian pedant space

and community requires some comfort

We don't

we need a couch

ah yes, the shifting sands of "community"

Who accepted the donation of comfortable chairs?

9:57 AM

It sure as hell wasn't me or Pearce

I just loaded them

where it's always some elusive thing that only Draco understands

and unloaded them

Next will come the lament about not being able to get shit faced drunk, as a community

well unload them the fuck somewhere lese

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9:57 AM

else*

9:57 AM

cause we aint accepting

They are already accepted and liked

9:58 AM

why you gotta be a meany

you don't seem to get it

9:58 AM

you don't get to donate without us accepting

It was before you

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uhuh

We've made @AGr undo stuff before, and you're not nearly as effective as him at getting things done

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Still waiting on the massage chair to go somewhere. Maybe Brandon can put a pulse jet and wheels on it. (edited)

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lol

9:59 AM

haha

They were accepted by the old board or logistics or expansion or something ... I don't know .. I just loaded and unloaded them .... I did what they told me to do .. I was a good volunteer

we can let @AGr fix this problem

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9:59 AM

LOL

9:59 AM

you actually completed something?

Always

i call bullshit

I could call you out on things not completed .. but I wont

go for it

Massage chair was to be scrounged for motors?

but you resigned

naw .. I'm not a meany

you couldn't even quit properly

resigned lol

wtf

LOL

10:00 AM

Not going to argue with ya

lol don't care if you do

Even though you so badly do

I mean, it was rather public https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/just-submitted-my-resignation-from-dms/59787

Just submitted my resignation from DMS

I’m leaving DMS … I just thought i would say Bye.

you couldn't complete that anyways

I've got an idea for the space that needs some motors, I'll see if the chair is useful (edited)

lol

10:01 AM

i think you should take those motors

Would you have rather me written up something like Adnan?

Sorry for the delay was trying to catch up on everything that was written 1 we need to get with expansion 2 see if the old CA room or the pillar room can be turned into that I don't know what their plans are I thought it was going to be divided into two new classrooms

I thought people didn't like that

We would rather you just left

10:01 AM

and not came back

@Draco take your stuff to #off_topic

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2 Draco and Freddy it would be nice if you left this chat to Logistics

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I'm fine with that... Freddy will follow...

@Axeonos that would require building walls, putting in doors and changing electrical, it won't happen anytime soon

Still a check with expansion could not hurt

10:04 AM

But I do like the idea of time limits on the computers I think 6 hours is okay but I don't think I can finish anytihng in 4 hours

Could logistics buy some new chairs? We don't hang around the space enough. I think these would work well https://themodernback.com/products/osaki-os-pro-maestro-massage-chair?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjwqZPrBRBnEiwAmNJsNnxr-41vtC7aLg6V6H1FYt-Bi15tBjnG3bbZNWTjMLz3hESDVPylexoCvL0QAvD_BwE

Osaki OS-Pro Maestro Massage Chair

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Even I know that's a bad idea

They are on sale!

gross

10:07 AM

i suspect would smell like con funk in a matter of hours

Back on topic. Seriously we need to work on getting a vehicle rental account with approved drivers and insurance.

that or more members with fullsize trucks willing to drive them wherever

i've got a message into my penske rep

10:10 AM

he has been busy apparently

Logistics doesn't actually go off-site anymore though, other than for when we did off-siting what do we need to rent for?

Ah damn, that's right. I'm very behind the on the plans.

Vector rents.

Anything we need to rent should be able to plan far enough out to get each one on a board agenda

10:13 AM

Vector rents for events, so they should know with a lot of notice

10:14 AM

This is more in the line of #finance though

It's on the Finance Action Item list.

That problem is self-resolving: host answers doorbell. Except when the host is in Interactive. Where there’s no bell.

Then host, and all guests, get escorted offsite.

10:21 AM

bad host

10:22 AM

you invite the public, you arrange for them to gain access without infringing on others' rights of quite enjoyment.

10:22 AM

(and leaving the door unlocked is not acceptable either, in my opinion)

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To be fair, I think they had planned on being in the lobby classroom but there was a computer group in there.

10:31 AM

But, I agree with your assessment that the host should be the responsible party for their guests. That should be clear in the room reservation process.

@A. Spencer(jast) there was a front door override for the 102 lobby door at one point for the effective purpose of "leaving the door unlocked"

yep. and I was flabbergasted to learn this, and gobsmacked that people actually use it

I recall it being a timer

11:21 AM

time-limited codes would be better

but then I remember what a tight-ass rule follower I am...

calendar system generates a random 6-digit code for the class that lasts duration of class +/- 15 minutes an opens the front doors (edited)

Yep

11:27 AM

I actually believe we may have a line on this

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11:27 AM

Not eith existing software

11:27 AM

Or hardware but a reasonable path to it

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/massage-chair-in-digital-media-room/54873

Massage Chair in digital media room

So what’s the deal with the massage chair in digital media? So far I see it taking up a lot of space and what appear to be people sleeping on it.

11:49 AM

Chair previously belonged to digital media to take apart for motors

Cool

Speaking to "the space should feel like a second home" Absolutely not, it's a shared workspace. Not a home office. We don't need couches, recliners, home goods

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Giant bean bags

12:33 PM

Off topic, I'm killing time because apparently I'm going to be at the court all day.

And my dad's all Marantz Quad System and color light organ.

I have an old baby grand

12:35 PM

And a total gym

Can we use Maker Manager like an IQ test to gain access to the building Kind of like Idiocracy to identify the brightest of the population.

12:42 PM

@yashsedai before you go out an buy RFID readers today can we just try making the square, triangle, circle hole test things and put some wooden blocks around? It's no quite davinci code level but I think it could be a good security system

I have a data mission for a volunteer

12:54 PM

I have multi month lists of people who were unable to follow the storage policy, that needs to be made useable. Along with lists of people who got extensions.

I can do that if you send it to me

12:56 PM

my bins in a few days plan isn't looking good, need Freddy to add product to whmcs and havent heard back to dm

Haha

1:01 PM

I'll make them visible as soon as my meeting I'd fkne

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1:01 PM

Done

Nice, then I can try to pressure Pearce on when we can pick up shelves

@michaelb or @AGr will you be at the space around 8pm?

no, I cant be there tonight

Nope, I'm out of town this week

K

I cleaned the freebie shelf

1:50 AM

Got everything off the floor.

1:51 AM

And all the stuff stored on the carts. Was wholly inappropriate to do that

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I talked to Patrick about how we can fix the issue with the Free shelf ... one idea is to have 4 movable labels ... perhaps laser made or something Each on a different shelf on the side <- New Stuff Here Week 1 Week 2 Last Chance Then we can rotate the signs each week to different shelves

1:57 AM

People can only put things on the shelf that is marked New Stuff

1:57 AM

if that is full .. too bad

1:57 AM

Each week a group of us can take the Last Chance stuff to the dumpster

1:57 AM

If it doesn't fit on the self .. too bad

limiting free shelf intake to 24 cubic feet a week would be great, I doubt people would abide

Well .. lets try it .... if @pearce is ok with it

Why complicate it

2:28 AM

People can't follow directions or read anyway. This particular time it was caused by a committee chair

Because it is easier to clean one shelf than 4 ... anything on the floor gets dumped at the same time each week ... I'm volunteering to help

2:31 AM

and I know a few others that would as well

Its even easier to clean 0 shelves

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True but you would have to get rid of project storage too

2:33 AM

Kinda with Pearce on this one. It's great you wish you wish to volunteer but think of it this way. If you get upset and bow out... or resign from dms...we are back to square one. (edited)

"we are back to square one" So where we are right now .... so no harm in trying then (edited)

the problem with the free shelf is that of regular maintenance

8:15 AM

namely it's not regularly maintained

8:16 AM

compound it with the fact that it's routinely piled up with material that meets only the most tortured definition of not garbage and it goes through an irregular binge-purge cycle

honestly we don't have the foot traffic to achieve what some want to see out of the free shelf. something like Scrap Denton seems to be what its proponents envision where detritus with sufficient variety and texture accumulates for use in collages and other low-grade recycling. (edited)

8:28 AM

I mean, I sort of get the impulse. I've got years worth of the spindles that the dog's cr_p sacks are packaged on since I toss them into this little basket that the bags reside in. I always imagine doing a vague something with a hundred or so of the things at some point in the future. But the DMS free shelf probably isn't the place to deposit those things should I ultimately decide I'm not going to use them.

8:31 AM

But I'm not going to pretend that I'm doing anything heroic by keeping those little spindles out of Mount Carrollton - it's a less valuable activity than recycling things that make sense (like aluminum and paper) which is less valuable than reuse and reducing consumption

I totally get where you are coming from ... it is not suppose to be a dumping ground for your garage

8:41 AM

In my mind, it is suppose to be more like a scrap place for that part that you need or a resource

8:42 AM

But we have not made it clear what we want on the shelf

8:42 AM

and what we don't

there's useful stuff that gets deposited there for sure

8:42 AM

it tends to get snapped up quickly

When it gets full, you can't get to anything ..

8:42 AM

and it isn't useful

and what remains is of such low utility that it's either taken up when the one person that could imagine a use for it in a postmodern macaroni collage comes along or it gets dumpster'd

Perhaps we need like committee chairs .. someone that accepts stuff for the free shelf

8:44 AM

or several people

8:44 AM

and people will eventually get that it is not a dumping ground

8:44 AM

I imagine it isn't just everyone that is dumping

8:44 AM

but a few

I suspect that many of the 'contributions' of suff-that's-just-barely-not-garbage should be directed elsewhere

We just want the not-garbage ... but we might should define that (edited)

Firstly, I think we've been reasonably clear about what is allowed, or more properly, what is NOT allowed: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Logistics#Member_Exchange_Shelf Secondly, over the years I've been here, several people have 'claimed' the member exchange shelf, and promise they're going to keep up with it, including Cairenn, Beth, etc. There even exists a (defunct?) wiki page for a committee to take care of it https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Member_Exchange_Committee I think what we need is someone to actually do the job. I've considered being that somebody, but I suspect I'll be the next failure, mostly due to time constraints... I imagine that if I were to do that, it would be a simply do-ocracy take-over. None of this business about committeeing it into the ground first. Just throw shit away, and let 'stuff' sit for a week before it gets tossed, too.

Category:Logistics

Member Exchange Committee

I don’t like the “shelf of the week” concept because some of the shelves are above my sight line. But that said... The location of the shelf unit is an obstacle, in and of itself. Trying to get around that giant blue thing (hoist?) and whatever carts that have landed there tempers the desire to poke around.

I can say that the problem seems to have gotten worse since it was moved into the corner

9:14 AM

With it where it was ... people are more likely to take stuff or clean it (edited)

@Draco this is just an observation on my part, but perhaps you should state your case and then stop talking. In this thread alone, you’ve made nearly half of the posts.

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The Logistics committee can vote to get rid of it. Eats up volunteer time, eats up real estate. Poor return on investment of DMS resources.

the outcry last time it was removed was...loud

You never know until you try (again).

the manufactured outrage was a thing to behold

9:55 AM

but I suppose in the end it produced the desired outcome - derailed Brandon's confirmation as Logistics chair

I agree that it is a waste of our resources. The last episode where a chair dumped all that and then told us to pay to have it removed was pretty not excellent.

i'd be totally in support of removing the damn thing

I honestly don't have an opinion either way about the shelf other than logistics should get to decide how to handle it since they are the only ones cleaning it.

10:00 AM

If they get rid of it thos people could easily use makertrade and bring it up to the space to do the exchange.

10:01 AM

How long do you think you spend cleaning it each week?

It isn't cleaned weekly

10:02 AM

It's cleaned about monthly

10:02 AM

My suggestion was to clean a shelf a week

MX shelf afficionados could have periodic exchange days, probably shuffle more stuff and landfill less

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That is not a bad idea

I offer generous licensing terms

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10:08 AM

although I suspect that such events might also demonstrate how little actual demand there is for a lot of the random junk on the shelf

There is little demand when you can't get to anything behind the boxes and junk

thus my suggestion that it be directed at other venues ala Scrap Denton where there's more traffic

10:09 AM

the dynamics have changed little since it was by the dock - where it was at least easier to load/unload

how about this ... metal shop has a scrap pile and has rules for it

10:10 AM

the free shelf should have similar rules as well

the free shelf already has this

They aren't posted

and people consistently muck it up

10:10 AM

nor are the metal shops

I think Jim made some nice signs saying no cut outs

lol

or plasma trash

10:11 AM

or something like that

10:11 AM

and monitored it for a while via cameras

10:11 AM

until people got the hint

i think the part you are missing here is that all of what you want requires more effort by people who already are stretched thin

10:12 AM

i can imagineer a solution to the problem, but voluntelling more is a non starter

I'm actually not asking Logistics to do it

but they are the responsible party

or rather I'm wanting to provide volunteers to Logistics

who?

10:13 AM

you?

10:13 AM

who else?

pop some out of the blister pack?

haha

or is it more like a pez dispenser?

where can we get this mystical blister pack or pez dispenser

inquiring minds...

Well .. several of us .. .Patrick, Eric (different Eric) .. to name two

10:14 AM

I bet I could get a few more

10:14 AM

it just needs organizing (edited)

Still sounds like a non starter to me

10:15 AM

there is no long term follow thru

10:15 AM

it might go for a month

Well... that is true of many things

then back to normal

Follow through around here generally means required by law

10:15 AM

lol

not the case at all

10:17 AM

it requires people who want to be here doing these things

That requires people to care

10:17 AM

and want to help the community

they exist

They need to be developed

they are engaged

10:17 AM

developed?

a few

you going to code some?

Yes of course .. developed

10:18 AM

not software .. people

10:18 AM

Brought into it

I think you might not understand how that works

10:18 AM

Having spent 12 years in the trenches of volunteer management

10:19 AM

One does not simply develop a volunteer program that shits out people

I went around one night .. on the spur of the moment and gathered 4 people willing to help clean the free shelf ... it went rather fast

10:19 AM

I just had to ask

so we have people at times willing to volunteer

10:20 AM

thats not the issue here

The issue is you have to ask

10:20 AM

personally

Requires a warm body to do it, ON THE REGULAR

10:21 AM

we don't have that

It requires leaders to be regular ... and go around and ask people to help .. in the moment .. most will not show up to work ..

We don't have any leaders to spare

10:22 AM

they all have multiple jobs

I agree .. we must develop new ones

multiple responsibilities

new leaders

Volunteer leaders are not generally devloped

10:22 AM

It requires the unobtanium that they show up with the want to lead

It requires caring about the community and the people in it enough

Not why I do what I do

I know

Others the same

10:24 AM

There is community care

10:24 AM

but not like what you want

I tend to agree with you for some ... many have an objective that they want done

Amongst the actual leaders at DMS, the only motivation is care for the ORG

10:25 AM

This includes me

10:25 AM

People come and go and are icing on the cake

10:25 AM

We do it for love of the game

I don't disagree with you ... however I think there is a difference in opinion on what is good for DMS and what is not

The difference is, those who are leading get to make those choices and steer

10:26 AM

They are putting in the equity to do so

I'm not super inclined to make the freebie shelf complicated. I have a very regular group of volunteers who show up on the 1st and 2nd Sundays for logistics work. That's when we clean the shelf as well. Random events make me have to do it outside of that timeline

There are many in leadership roles at DMS besides the D&O

and?

It is not fully top down

10:28 AM

nor should it be

lol

10:28 AM

there are dedicated chair people that contribute

10:28 AM

I never said there wasn't

There are past chairs that lead .. and others ..

there are past chairs that offer advice

It requires the unobtanium that they show up with the want to lead THIS The reality of DMS is that member half-life is about 8 months. Pretty much everyone in this channel is an exception

I think it is a mistake to confuse authority and leadership

there is no confusion here

10:30 AM

There are very few TRUE leaders

hell, I'm more of a doer myself

there are many that have some authority, leaders it makes them not

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@ESmith ... you are head of the Governance Group right?

10:32 AM

I wasn't trying to connect the last two statements

10:32 AM

I think Erik is doing a great job

10:33 AM

But @yashsedai you are absolutely correct

10:34 AM

You have to be able to inspire people to lead .. not just boss people and run them over

I am. I've yet to recruit anyone for it so it's a Group of 1

Was that boss people and run them over for me?

I don't know ... do you think you are doing that? It isn't directed to anyone

LOL

10:35 AM

Doesn't matter what I think, only matters what I do

Thoughts lead to actions

Perception is for the beholder

10:35 AM

I will never control what others perceive

10:36 AM

I have some influence but no control

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10:36 AM

I identify problems, propose solutions, seek feedback and execute.

You do influence ... your recent actions to shut down discussion

10:36 AM

for example

There is a time and place for things

"You don’t get a say in this."

10:37 AM

Everyone can say what they will ...and should be able to

Its a statement of fact

10:37 AM

As the responsible party

10:37 AM

I'll manage it as needed

10:38 AM

Mr Gorman doesn't get to dictate where I manage things

We all need to have to be able to say what they want as long as it doesn't violate the rules .... the authority should not be filtering content only moderating for rules

You believe you get a say in everything

just because they don't like it

Its just not real

The membership does get a say in everything!

They don't

10:39 AM

This is not democracy

I think you misundestand me ... when I say "say" .. I mean have a voice

Nobody has an issue with voice

you do

The bottom line is you posted something that is a business function. This only leads to confusion and was not yours to do

10:40 AM

The org has a right to shut that down anytime anywhere

This is not an unreasonable question to be asked on Talk

Purchases question
How are purchases authorized if we are unsure of committee balances

10:41 AM

We need to take this out of Logistics

Boys. Take this to #general_chatter. This is the channel where I complain about storage and the freebie shelf

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lol

We have a freebie shelf?

10:43 AM

(Ducks)

I actually hate the location for it

10:44 AM

And I moved it there

10:44 AM

But it was not in a good place being mid tables.

not any more. now it's the "member exchange shelf"

10:53 AM

what do you think about removing it (pending committee vote, minutes, etc.)?

There's no committee votes, since we're a group. If Pearce decides to get rid of it, it'll be gone before you blink.

That's true

10:55 AM

And may be the case if people can't keep it clean and keep paint and crts screens off it

Plant paint and crts on the shelf. Got it.

I think if Draco wants to run it, let him. With the explicit understanding that if it's not kept up we'll get rid of the shelf entirely.

Like last time, it would come back under some other poorly managed committee

If no one wants to maintain it, it should be removed.

How hard is it to keep the shit off the floor

Here's my proposal, Draco creates an Exchange Shelf SIG under logistics, they get no funding (shouldn't need any), they are in charge of the shelf, we set criteria for the shelf maintenance, if it's not kept up we toss the shelf entirely. If some other committee wants to run the shelf, let them be the junk pile.

11:06 AM

Dealing with committee areas being a mess is a problem for the president and/or board

just sayin' you don't to look like a self-serving dictator in removing it, lest you rile up "them"... So "committee voted to get rid of it...you should have been there" is a valid strategy, in my opinion...

I'm actually pro freebie shelf. It just needs a better location, and that needs expansion to finish

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The Proposal is good just know Draco is not the first who wants to be in charge of a certain section like it was stated before there was careen and beth and others they wanted to take control of it and they let it slip through either not showing up for a long time and the area became a mess or they had no charge or didn't look like they were taking care of it. He's not the first and if another committee wants to take care of it so be it

I'm not sending it to another committee sorry.

11:24 AM

I can at least maintain it myself when it gets bad if it stays in logistics

11:25 AM

I don't need a rule that "only stuff on shelf 4 can be thrown away"

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Maybe we could have "blue light specials". Take one object, choose another one free!

1

Or take an object pitch an object

1

or deposit the entirety of the shelf into your vehicle and/or the dumpster

^^^^^^

make it a contest. you get all of the shelf so long as you remove its contents.

"If no one wants to maintain it, it should be removed." I dont think that kind of heresy is allowed here

lol

I'm with Brandon on this one. It's outlived the ability of someone to formally maintain it. Time to let go. (edited)

hey don't pin that idea on me, I have no position on the free shelf

Hahaha

Count me out for trying to save that, I know im going to be seen as the ass hat for some time over the recent overload but on the level the freeby shelf was a nice idea and while some find value in it for collecting tech ( not myself mind you ) but imho the whole thing would better served as a first Saturday type of exchange between members.

5:50 PM

Just my 2 cent herecy

5:50 PM

I'll shut up now about it ;)

@Axeonos said "The Proposal is good just know Draco is not the first who wants to be in charge" ... I am going to say this straight, I am not taking care of the Free Shelf for the rest of my life .. this is NOT a life appointment... it needs to be handed to someone else at some point

8:35 PM

That said.. I have several ideas for it that I think are worth a try

8:35 PM

I'm willing... if @pearce is willing to let me and several others run with it

8:36 PM

(not literally run with the shelf as that would be silly, shelves don't run)

you misconstrue my words. i meant your not the first to want to do it- @aceat64 proposal was good. i have no charge. nor am i in charge of ANYTHING. please dont put words in my mouth. i dont appreciate it

I think Pearce should say yes, there is no downside for him

There are a lot of interesting ideas for the shelf - duration of tenure, slow progressive conveyor to the dumpster - but they all require administration, capital, and/or labor that's not available

@Axeonos "please dont put words in my mouth. i dont appreciate it" ... It was my misunderstanding then .. I am sorry

Is MAP gas allowed to be stored on the project shelves?

technically yes. if the fire marshal is feeling like a dick? no

Who is sawing plywood and then not cleaning up in warehouse?

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any idea when it happened?

seems like a lot

12:37 AM

jewelry or glassworks may have done it

12:37 AM

remaking their table tops

@@pearce my understanding is that MAP gas still has to be in a fire cabinet. Since we're a commercial property we don't fall under residential exceptions (edited)

And I've heard otherwise when I asked about it

This seems like it may be a Rich question

4:24 PM

even if it's permitted there may be requirements about elevated stoarge. Even ignoring potential code I've had to stop a propane bottle from failling off top row project storage before when people are grabbing things

Tomorrow is storage expiration. That means we need people to tag, make calls, take photos, and document infractions. Come help out. It's fun. I promise people only make threats of violence

We need more trashbaggis

Freddy said he was bringing some?

Oh, nm. JJ just told me we were out

Otherwise I can bring some when I come in tomorrow for logistics

I have not made it down yet, but I have 2 boxes in my car

6:35 PM

i'll be down a bit later after i get food

Thanks

Might be a bit late as I have to drive the bus to the space sowe can work on it later

How long until you’re westward ho? (Not to be confused with westward ho’s)

Near the end of september

And in case unclear, the voyage to the big event out west that the cruel bus pilgrimages to.

I'll have APRS going on my Jeep so people can follow along with us

Cool. Thanks! The offer still stands on assisting with costumery

Likely leaving late on the 20th or super early on the 21st

Please let anyone looking for an extension that we are on the way. Might be 15 mins late

for the uninitiated heathens amongst us, APRS is....?

Automatic Packet Reporting System

1:59 PM

Basically a way for amateur radio operators to send data such as position and other telemetry stuff

thus? https://aprs.fi/#!lat=33.0951&lng=-96.8805

Yeah

Psst. @A. Spencer(jast) Thanks for asking about the acronym. I’m obviously an uninitiated heathen as well.

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No problemo. I was secretly hoping for more of a tutorial on how knowing it would be available would lead to my being able to vicariously trek to Cali, but it looks like I'll be googling some more and getting frustrated...

2:24 PM

;-D

Am here in workshop for people who need extensions

2:28 PM

Looks like all of the spots are expired

"youre storage has expired, please pick it up before 9/8 or it will be moved to storage purgatory. Extensions were given out to those who came to the meeting."

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Your storage but yes

2

1

3:00 PM

It's vocal scripting

Unless they are made of storage.

3:00 PM

You are storage now and Brandon must clean you!

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your you're and yore.... yep. all sound the same to me...

And there you go. Gettin’ all grammarly.

Any idea where the blue bbq grill is hiding? Rose brought meat.

Behind metal shear probably

Well, that is a handy place to put it.

All the committee storage got moved over in that area iirc

I also hadn't been used in forever. It's lucky we didn't get rid of it

Could probably rearrange paper goods closet and move all logistics stuff in there

@pearce we have 6.5 full pallets of 44 large bins, can I post them as for sale to members for take home use at $5 each? We paid about $9 each for them originally

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12:52 PM

@pearce

Nop. Stop that

What else we gonna do with them?

Stop what? Aren't we going to have to liquidate some bins eventually?

@AGr DMS large bin races. Like soap box races, but infinitely more flimsy

1:16 PM

We'll probably wreck/ruin enough to get rid of the excess

would you have to join together 2 lengthwise to be able to sit in it?

1:17 PM

not many hills near DMS

Yeah probably need two per vehicle. The ramps are good for testing.

There's the one at the top of the road in

1:18 PM

Start on the train tracks

1:19 PM

Race to tanners

bonus points for running a red light

Hold up

1:28 PM

No one said we needed brakes

they would only hurt performance

tuck and roll

Bonus bonus points for sliding under the train (edited)

and living

3:18 PM

foul if you get crushed and splatted

https://i.imgur.com/AOUxwl2.gif

I love how you can see the cart used for the slide in that video. Certain level of just not caring

older-school filmmaking where the conceits are more blatant and the assumption is the audience will only ever see it in the theaters and probably only watch the scene once

not sure what film that is, but... there's something to be said for "B-cinema cultists" e.g. toxic avenger (or anything from Troma), anything by robert rodriguez, etc. wherein this kind of thing is expected...

iirc he's a super popular bollywood actor

what is the shear strength of 1/4" petg? wondering if building a shelf for tool wall can get away with a bunch of 3d printed pegs or if I should just 3d print something to hold cutoff metal peg

5:05 PM

18" deep at a 30 degree angle, out of 1/2" plywood (edited)

5:05 PM

5:06 PM

things like these overloaded baskets only have 2 pegs

Given the orientation I assume you're printing it in, basically nothing.

will have to print some at different orientations and test, seems plausible I could get 10 to 20 pounds out of each 3d printed peg

5:40 PM

as long as layers don't align with shear force

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might be easier to just screw a french cleat to the pegboard

What's the pegboard being used for otherwise? We could try all french cleat

other tools not on shelf would be on metal pegs

Oh, right. I forgot about the non battery powered plebian tools

@michaelb want to help build a toolwall on sunday?

Out of town again this weekend.

10 -11 slots need to be moved tomorrow. Shouldn't be too bad

I’ll have some bins for purgatory as well.

Buttons seem nonoperational on warehouse ramp door

11:31 PM

Using chain to open/close is easy though

Y'all ready to do some storage clean out?

There are 2 pallets from lost and found in warehouse if we want to throw those away

I will check those in just a bit

Not sure if this is useable for the big bins, but they gave these racks at Lowe's

7:23 PM

7:24 PM

Err, have these racks. Gives us a narrower option to use, and is sized specifically for the big totes

Organize paper goods closet off common room
Move logistics shelf contents into common room
Move dprg stuff onto pallets in warehouse (this two additional shelves for project storage)
Convert pallet rack against blue vector wall into another vertical storage rack
Move all recently tagged vertical storage items to new vertical storage rack
Chain up old vertical storage rack with lots of sign saying to use new rack instead
After 4 weeks, trash all old vertical storage rack contents

(edited)

3:08 PM

a possible approach to cleaning up the vertical project storage racks, would need to purchase metal pipe and weld onto some crossmembers to make a new rack

regular crossbeams a simpler solution to closing down vertical storage

the current rack is ~3 feet deep, there is ~7 feet deep worth of material loaded into it

3:14 PM

I wonder if welding on a bunch of 3/4" iron pipe flanges would be a good approach https://www.homedepot.com/p/VPC-3-4-in-FPT-Black-Malleable-Iron-FPT-Floor-Flange-16-521-604/205955667

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Right off the bat I'm going to say we can't put dprg on pallets. The pallets get shopped too often.

Can insert a, setup shelf in warehouse, put dprg stuff onto shelf in warehouse so its not on a pallet step

I would like to set up pallet racks in 102. It's in discussion with expansion

or even better, use crate material from laser delivery that is still sitting there to crate up dprg stuff on a pallet, even safer

3:21 PM

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Moving all the logistics stuff into paper goods can be done without money or buy in. How confident are we that it'll fit, and do we want to put the grill in there or trash it?

3:32 PM

I say trash it, for the record.

second on trashing it

3:33 PM

someone wants to bring one thats one thing, otherwise no go

If someone wants to grill at the space we have plenty of members who are willing to bring/show off their grill

3:47 PM

I'm for trashing the grill. It doesn't belong in that closet anyway

Trash the grill. Unnecessary, inappropriate amenity.

What logistics stuff needs to go somewhere?

We have a shelf taking up space on the pallet racks

It's the stuff in corner of old vector above metal shear, some boxes of random stuff and roboreels

5:33 PM

Some things like cardboard boxes and the wrap could go into purgatory room

true

Give it back to the person that bought it, rather than trashing it.

who is that

Kris.

10:33 PM

And no, it wasn't bought with DMS funds.

10:34 PM

The idea of throwing away a perfectly good, barely used item just seems wrong.

Give it back to the person that bought it... We have a system for recording who has loaned a committee something. Otherwise, we must rely on someone like yourself remembering the loan. Logistics does not have a record of the loan. Rule 11.2 Loaning of Tools & Equipment to the Makerspace. Loaned items may be returned at any time by request of the owner or as determined by the accepting committee. @kriskat30 can ask for it back and prove that it is hers. @pearce can give it back to her if he thinks it is hers. If it was recorded as a loan. ...rather than trashing it...The idea of throwing away a perfectly good, barely used item just seems wrong." It does seem wrong. Though the decommissioning of property is not codified in our rules, we've had long standing practices of donating items to other non-profits or making arm's length sales. Some items may have too little value to invest time in selling or donating. Thus the dumpster. Kessinger has typed at length about this on Talk. (edited)

11:18 PM

If it was a gift, then Logistics can decommission it per these practices. (edited)

If Logistics does not have a record, it would seem to me that it should go in Lost and Found

Not a lost item that accidentally got left here.

How do you know?

Stop it.

Do you have a record?

11:23 PM

You pretty much know it is Kris's ... just ask her and let her take it

11:24 PM

Stop making trouble

do you have a record of that?

We have witnesses

go on

I really don't understand why this is such a big deal... should we discuss this in the member meeting? We can bring forth witnesses and have a line up

I gifted it to the space. If you do not want it then feel free to put on the give away shelf. It’s a perfectly useful item that someone will want. I can put it there myself , it’s no bother.

There ya go ...

Lol draco

11:33 PM

Is your rallying cry now "do we need to discuss that in the member meeting"

Trash it or make some good BBQ

11:34 PM

Naw .. I would rather have some good BBQ

I think you may be sad to find out it may not work like you think

What? Make a big deal over this? I just wanted it to stop .. i was using the member meeting thing as a way to show how over the top it has become

11:35 PM

of course I wouldn't do that

Lol riiight

We cannot put DMS property on the Freebie shelf.

Who is being the pedant now?

Thank you, @kriskat30 for clearing up the mystery.

You are welcome.

It looks like PR may want to claim it.

The steel square tube wall is more rigid if you run into the wall, both are solid (can hang a person off front of wall and it deflects 1/2"), the wood version was much cheaper

1:40 AM

1:42 AM

I assumed that doubling up the 2x4 vertically would be ok but it would have been more rigid with the columns rotated 90 degrees. This way just made gussets very easy to screw on

Will be interesting to see if this sticks

What's that about

Would be better as woodshop annex instead of a walkway, was always ridiculously tight to get to clamps

@AGr that's a fire code violation

3:10 AM

that's considered the extinguisher for that area, and you're not allowed to obstruct it in any way

3:11 AM

if we're going to try something like that it needs to be moved

3:12 AM

it may not seem like much, but a person can't be made to reach around something to get to the extinguisher (ask metal shop that was cited because someone had to reach around something)

3:15 AM

with tape like that a person now has to extend out to pick the extinguisher up, rather than have it right in front of them, and have to lift it between the obstruction

From perspective of someone standing in woodshop annex? They could walk around woodshop pallet racks to get unobstructed access to fire extinguisher

is this caution tape still up? it needs to come down (edited)

@yashsedai it looks to still be up

11:14 AM

im stuck at home currently

I made a volunteer task on talk for it

ty

I took it down

my hero

you did an amazing job taking it down.

Sooo.....Inquiring minds would like to know when the Personal Bin "cave" will be dismantled and moved.

I think that should read, YOU want to know when it will be moved

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12:24 PM

Yes......so.... Electronics and Science both would like to know. Logistics needs to come up w/ plan and run it through Expansion and then the BoD and then get it done. It's been approved by the BoD and that floor space no longer belongs to Logistics.

If memory serves me right it was dismantled and put there without logistics permission in the first place, and seeing as most rooms have been laid dibs on, "inquiring minds" will have to wait for logistics to come up with a plan as to where to move the bins to.

Sounds like patience is the order of the day

@kevin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEYViV8p-Ow

JackBauer137

Xmen 3 - I'm The Juggernaut Bitch! (1080p)

@artg_dms we have to work out a solution. Just because you say expansion needs it done, doesn't mean I can wave a magic wand and make it happen.

There is no "expansion" reason to my knowledge pushing this

same

The board wants the security issue resolved of the dark aisle created by it. I could do that easily but you wouldn't be happy with the results.

shop light fix?

and camera haha

The current set of floor plans from Expansion have current and future areas where the personal bins can be located. Original plans called for bins to be distributed across the DMS complex. Plz see Talk on the topic. Logistics needs to take care of this before putting up shelves for the rental bins. Also some BoD members view the " cave" as a safety issue. Lights are are temp fix. Take a time out fro m those "more fun" projects and get it done.

Art

1:01 PM

With respect, as you have been told multiple times, they are working on a solution. Continulally yelling get it done only provides a detriment to this situation

if E-Lab and Science are hard up for space, they can reclaim more square footage by cleaning up than they're going to get from pushing into the bin cave

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Also, the concept that you get to dictate a timeline is ridiculous

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@artg_dms my unsolicited advice, if you want this done, get someone else to push it. As it is it looks pretty bad that the only person harping on this is the most likely to benefit from it.

Not seeing any progress or work on this. Absolutely none. Haven't dictated anything...yet.

Yet? If you want to go down that road, I'll let you know here and now you get to dictate NOTHING.

And come up with better reasons than expansion wants it. I'm sure expansion had a good reason for it, so just tell us what it is.

No, I don't get to dictate anything. Prefer not to go down that road. But there are those who can. Pointless argument.. Topic was brought up in a Sat. mrng w/ BoD and Expansion. At least 2 BoD members immediately agreed that the bin "cave" needed to be moved. There are notes / minutes on the mtng.

We agreed to address it

I will work on the fastest solution for the cave aspect of the bin section to abide by the boards wishes

I'm confused why its continuing to be pushed when its been stated multiple times that its being worked on.

1:19 PM

I've spoken to quite a few poeple and keep hearing that at every opportunity you mention this

1:19 PM

What is the fire about?

Freddy you're a member of team_expansion, right? Go check your posts for the Sat mtng posted on july 27. "As a surprise, the Board made one other change. The storage area located between Science and the Electronics Lab will be eliminated, the area to be divided equally between those two areas. The current storage boxes will be moved elsewhere within DMS into multiple areas." It's been "addressed". Haven't heard anything about anybody working on this - until now.

Just because the board approved it doesn't mean shit magically occurs

1:23 PM

I've told you more than once in person that it would get done as soon as they had a home

1:24 PM

Did you just not like this answer?

Thank you Pearce! If you have any questions, plz ask me or Rich.

not trying to be a dick here. just don't get it when someone keeps pushing and pushing when told hey, people are working

Best option is probably cancel personal bin storage entirely and return all current bins to members

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That is also an option I have been forced to consider

1:29 PM

But I imagine you will get a response along the lines of "no that's too much"

That's not going to go over well. It's a lazy quick fix and will be met with much opposition. Good luck getting BoD approval.

Do you have a link for those minutes @artg_dms ?

1:31 PM

Id love to have it documented where the board decided to make that decision without talking to logistics

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@artg_dms perhaps you have some concrete suggestions on how to proceed rather than just saying "it needs to be done" on repeat?

"disperse through the space" isn't a detailed enough solution

there's nothing stopping you from coming up with a plan, since you are so invested in this, and then asking Pearce to approve it

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They were in a post out to team expansion. Not sure I can post a link that works. Might be able to "invite" you to the post. Would that work for you?

just copy/paste it or give a synopsis

Where are they posted that you can't share them?

how complex a plan is it that it can't be summarized in a sentence or two? (edited)

1:35 PM

@pearce can we get approval for Electronics to return the boxes and their contents to their owners and then to dismantle the personal storage?

1:36 PM

since it's in their space

1:36 PM

obviously needs to be done in that order

1:36 PM

i.e. it can not be taken down until all boxes returned

Here's the quote again: "As a surprise, the Board made one other change. The storage area located between Science and the Electronics Lab will be eliminated, the area to be divided equally between those two areas. The current storage boxes will be moved elsewhere within DMS into multiple areas."

Yeah I can post text lines too

1:38 PM

I want the meeting minutes

Just invited you to it

1:40 PM

BTW if you have any questions for Expansion, Talk is the preferred forum. Don't think Rich is out here.

Doesn't seem like expansion needs our input. They just move things without asking logistics anyway.

We haven't moved anything - other than on paper. Yes, we do need your / Logistics input. The areas that the bins would be moved to belong to Logistics.

Everything that isn't committee space is logistics

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Just keep them where they are. Obviously no one has a better location for them. Or a good reason to move them.

They need camera coverage specifically. It's paid storage

Hey Michael you're on team_ expansion. We have a mtng tonight. Attend and get informed.

I have been attending, but I guess we've been missing each other, won't be there tonight. If there was a good reason you'd just say it, so I'll continue to assume you're just antsy to get your new committee space. Which, I get, but, priorities man.

1:56 PM

Let's put a camera facing south down the middle of the row then. I don't mind running cables or mounting it.

Priorities include knowing what the final boundaries are for the ELab and Science are before the electrical contractors come out and start wiring drop boxes.

don't you already know what they'll be once the shelves are moved?

2:23 PM

there's a drawing...

2:23 PM

and failing that you can just measure it

@artg_dms I haven't heard that come up as a concern in the meetings. Even when the inevitable 'whats needed for electrical' question is asked.

It's also an extra 2 feet? You can't tell me that those bins are holding up electrical

if the bins are holding up electrical because the final boundaries are unknown, there are serious planning issues that need to be addressed

If bins are stopping expansion I can put them all on pallets in warehouse as interim to returning them to members

Returning to members is a massive change. Please don't think it will be received without major backlash. Placing bins in the center or a wall of the warehouse is a great interim solution, especially if it can also use / repurpose A camera feed.

I would have a problem with this being that I just paid for mine a month ago so I'd need my 20 back as well as the cost of the bin.

3:26 PM

We need to find a viable place for these before we move them.

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And it goes completely against the expressed position of the logistics officer public comment to continue to support it. Removing it when we have thousands of unused square feet is not a good plan

well sure, but if it's literally blocking expansion as Art says, then needs must

My public opinion to want to keep them doesn't matter if we legally can't support charging for the storage

3:35 PM

And art seems to be implying that the bins are holding up electrical

3:36 PM

People are going to be upset regardless of what I do with them

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Put them in the wet classroom

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could work, would completely fill 2 walls in that room with current shelves

3:54 PM

each 3 column unit is 16" deep and 38" wide

Offset measures 3' x 17'. I solicited input from the membership on this: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/moving-personal-storage-bins-to/61389

cant do classrooms, it makes the bins inaccessible during classes

3:56 PM

okay so electronics gets 1.5 feet. and electrical is being held up by this?

No... ELAb and Science both get a 3ft x 17 ft strip.

Brandon how many current sets, 6?

11 or 12

Thanks

At least 35 feet of shelves if you put them all along a wall

meanwhile both elab and science can recover ~51ft² by simply reorganizing

Can't speak for Science and how they're doing their drops. ELab has no pwr along the east boundary for benches. If we get the offset, 2 drop boxes will to be moved ~3 ft.. ~ 12 columns can stay along the east boundary of the ELab. The end will stick out past white cabinets. One area is along the walls outside Interactive - where the printer used to . Plz review input / comments in the Talk.

OMG Eric, reorganizing? What is that!

Kinda looks like the 102 srvr rm.....

Considering I didnt stuff any of that in there

Excuses, Excuses

lol please try again

This is soooooo productive

lol it is

Do we need to schedule a mtng of Logistics and Expansion to get this done?

lol considering that Logistics is the governing body haha

4:19 PM

i'd say thats up to Pearce

I told you I'd clear up the board issues with security

4:20 PM

The "meeting" you referenced was not a board meeting.

Just tell me where to show up with my pitchfork and torch

I fail to understand how TWO board members (of four) agreeing that the cave was a problem constitutes a quorum requiring the change?? And seems like somebody coulda clued me in before I continued logging in new bin users since July.

(edited)

It doesn't. And it wasn't at a board meeting.

It's still not clear to me that this is anything more than Art wanting his extra 3 feet. I think we'll all agree it's better served by personal storage bins and we can clear up any problems regarding security where they are instead of spreading them around (which won't make them any more secure)

I would agree that one side probably needs to come out of there. As Wendy noted a week or so ago, it's not very accessible for her wheelchair. Or anyone else's. I think I made the comment that we between attrition and no-longer-member bin pulls, we can probably eliminate one bin stack. Would the remainder fit in the remaining run of elab "wall"?

is there 13 feet available to extend the elab wall?

13'? Shouldn't that be 12'?

5:30 PM

oh wait. what am i saying. you're the math guy.

4 * 38" = 12.66667'

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5:43 PM

moving the science wall would improve access and security, but note that science would not get any more space, as we would increase the walkway from ~36" wide to ~48" wide to improve accessibility

Yep and is the best course of action right now

e lab wouldn't get any more either, right?

5:45 PM

But lighting would improve immensely.

correct

@AGr - In my chart, there are 13 vertical rows on the science side. One of those is the stack behind the spiderboxes that have wood doors. Is that a free-standing unit of one? Or is that one section of bins wider than 38"?

a 3 column unit is about 38" wide, there are some one off columns not joined into 3 wide unit. Its just bolts and backer hardboard that turns individual columns into a 3 wide unit

cool. could the cabinet stack be attached to the end of single unit against the north wall?

yeah thats a good idea

Not that I want to re-ignite this discussion, but it was noted at the Expansion meeting last night that: Expansion really has nothing to do with this. It's apparently "the board" asking Logistics to do "something different" with the bins. The only reason that expansion is involved was that it will, at some point in the future, need to be reconciled with the electrical plan. This will not be a major change to the plan though. Current GUESSES to the need to have this portion of the plan locked is approximately 2-6 months.

@Lampy (Ken Purcell) is this the case?

@Scott_Blevins @ray

10:47 AM

I don't know James's handle.

Expansion was asking us about the dark cave and we agreed that something needs to be done to keep it from a pervy hangout. Was Rich's proposal to split the space with Electronics/Science. I have not heard a complete proposal yet but it does need Pearce's input. Storage is under their control as they have the floorspace and the liability of having to manage it.

It seems to me since it is Logistics space now and because it requires a board action (per ruling on BoD 20190415) to change space allocation, that someone needs to create an agenda item to transfer it. (edited)

What happens in 2 to 6 months?

A reasonable assumption would be that at some point you have to give the plan to contractors to bid and do the work

Hey kids, you wanna buy some watches flashes gold watches under a trenchcoat

11:37 AM

Except it isn't watches

Usually it's just watches and no pants or underwear

Wait, we're not going to get bids for another 2-6 months?

I don't know of an exact timeline and I've been to a few of the expansion meetings in the past two months. For anyone to say were two to six months out is just a random guess on their part.

12:19 PM

Having been to a few meetings, my slightly less random guess would be plans go out within a month. A contractor was on site last week doing a walk-through.

When are these meetings, I'm going to have to start showing up.

Tuesday at 7

Thank you

plans for which phase?

Oh sorry this would be one of the big electrical contracts that I'm talking about. At least the flex area drops, but I believe it's flex area and warehouse kilns.

12:34 PM

I think the confusion here is this... I'm stating that these plans will go to the city and bidding soon, but of course there might be minor changes later on (iirc including while work is being done). Adam is saying that in 2-6 months we need the plans to be fixed, no minor changes. Draco assumed that we wouldn't move forward until even the minor possibilities worked out, which isn't really true. We'd never get anything done that way

We had a very productive Expansion Mtng last nite. Rich has met w/ electrical contractor for a consultation on recent code changes, what members can do, etc. There will probably be some things that volunteers can get done - possibly w/ time limits. If those things don't get done, that work will be contracted out and paid for. Currently Groups don't have to post minutes / notes to the wiki or Talk. I'm working on getting that changed. I'll ask Rich to put last nite's mtng notes out on Talk and also see if he' ok w/ putting a copy of the BoD / Expansion Mtng where the bin "cave" was discussed.

Saturday meetings are not board meetings. Sorry bud. The board does have to post their meetings or it isn't a board action.

OK .. really getting tired of this. Go back and reread what I posted. I said BoD / Expansion Mtng. Also link I sent you states same. I said GROUPS currently don't have post minutes / notes, NOT THE BOD. Please tell me how I can make my posts more clear.

how long will Art try to hold expansion progress hostage contingent on getting a few extra square feet for electronics?

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False statement dude. I expect better from you....then again maybe not. Maybe you ought to join Expansion Grp and attend some mtng and become better informed?

this is the second time you've told someone to get better informed about expansion, perhaps expansion team should do a better job informing people of what's going on to prevent confusion?

With minutes, perhaps?

last meeting I was at was mostly Rich going down a punch list, which could have been a report

Most are like that.

seems there's only one page on the wiki about expansion group

1:26 PM

https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Expansion_Group

Expansion Group

1:27 PM

latest post on the forums is 13d old

@artg_dms again, this hasn't been brought up at any of the meetings I've been to.

the last message in #expansion_chat is from 06/24/2019

Working on getting the"Group" charter amended to address that. Care to help?

the expansion group meetings all say "This is a closed meeting." as well

1:28 PM

so I'm not sure how people are expected to be informed

Sounds like we need to talk about how to best go about this at the next member meeting on Friday ... Good communication is key

yes, communication would be good

1:31 PM

if the expansion team would like, myself or pearce can also tweak permissions for #expansion_chat to whatever you'd like

1:31 PM

or even create additional chats, like an #expanion_announcements or somesuch

1:31 PM

lots of options

I miss James's expansion reports ... I'd like to see that from the other groups and the board ... perhaps we need volunteers that can write to join the governance group and provide good status reports

Rich's meeting notes aren't too shabby from what I've seen

are they posted anywhere?

1:36 PM

if he's keeping good notes/minutes, just posting them to the wiki would be a huge boost to communicating what's going on

I personally cannot wait to see Brad's first report

will be great when he finds an extra quarter million behind the fridge

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quarter million what? Dust bunnies?

French Francs

zimbabwe dollars

Expansion Mtngs were open for a while and Rich decided to take them back to closed. Finance Grp under Tapper were invitation only. Like I said above, I'm working on getting the "Group" charter amended to fix this. Don't see why "Groups" should be exempt from what Committees have to do. I brought this up in the last BoD Mtng 9/8/19. Should be in the minutes. Topic(s) are out on Talk. Comments are sought.

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Expect that you wont get your way on this either (edited)

1:43 PM

Groups dont report to the membership

1:43 PM

They report to the board

1:44 PM

I dont care that you think something should be that way when it doesnt affect your ability to get shit done

1:44 PM

Both you and draco want a meeting to go bitch at

1:44 PM

Go bitch to the board

1:45 PM

You'll find us group leaders have actual work being done. (edited)

1:46 PM

Not sitting in meetings listening to the political ramblings of people that want us to recognize their "feelings"

First, that is disrespectful to the hard work many chairs have put in ... Second, Committees don't report to the membership either, they are under board advisement with an appointed chair.

First I dont care what you think

Oh god here we go again...

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Second I dont care about committees from the perspective of their communication. They are not business functiond

1:47 PM

You confuse the actual running of the business with a popularity contest

1:48 PM

This is not what the groups are for

Committees provide management functions and I would say they are mission critical ...

Good for you

1:48 PM

You had an opinion

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1:48 PM

If we're going to do the "Full Transparency" dance, everybody needs to participate, right? Otherwise smacks of hypocrisy and we don't want that do we? I would like to hear comments from the "Full Transparency" folks

If you really want people to be informed, why doesn't expansion voice stream meetings for people who can't be present?

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1:49 PM

Tuesdays don't work for everyone

You seem to be confused about what transparency is

1:50 PM

It's not what you think

1:50 PM

Keep preaching about secret meetings and no transparency

1:50 PM

Its bullshit

1:51 PM

And draco, why is it that we only hear you in the pedant seats whining about this shit?

1:51 PM

You dont actually do anything

I guess you don't read my other posts shrugs

Except cause discontent

1:51 PM

I think that's your makery

1:51 PM

Causing discontent at dsm

Now that is ironic coming from you Freddy

Oh?

1:52 PM

You mean the shit I keep running doesnt happen?

1:52 PM

Oh right, I dont log my hours so you wouldn't have a clue

Yes...really ...confused...why I solicited comments. BTW currently no "Group" streams or post to the public. Need to fix this for ALL "Groups"

I Agree

Logistics has streamed their meetings

Your confusion lies in the concept you get a say in everything

1:53 PM

Which is just not the case (edited)

lets maybe move this to #off_topic

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1:53 PM

logistics is pretty open, in that we discuss a lot of stuff right here in this chat

It's not really off topic though

Or you know, just stop the bickering please

When was last Logistics Mtng? Didn't seeany listed for long while on Event Cal

welcome to the current logistics meeting, it's ongoing

Bickering?

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logistics is mostly made up of people who use computers to communicate

1:55 PM

if you'd like to talk about something in person, we meet on the first and second sunday to do storage work

Any one take / post notes / minutes? Just say'n.....

looks at chat... yes

1:58 PM

you can scroll up and read everything logistics discusses

That isn't minutes

1:59 PM

and you know that

and I don't care

I know

2:00 PM

I suggest Logistics gets with @ESmith to work out how best to handle the requirement for minutes

noted

I suggest Draco go make a Pissing and Moaning Sig

Trolling Committee was a thing

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As a few people have mentioned, logistics is meeting every single one of its requirements for minutes.

we should put a copy of this chat in a blockchain

At least then he might be fulfilling a stated purpose, he didnt fail or quit!

2:03 PM

Lol do tell @AGr

nooooo

2:04 PM

you can't just throw blockchains at stuff

2:04 PM

although I guess you could just use Open Timestamps for that

2:04 PM

https://opentimestamps.org/

OpenTimestamps: a timestamping proof standard

OpenTimestamps aims to be a standard format for blockchain timestamping. The format is flexible enough to be vendor and blockchain independent.

I suggest that @Draco devise ideas per the Talk thread on the subject since it's not the Board demanding minutes and meetings from Groups (edited)

" since it's no the Board " ?

2:11 PM

I'm not certain I understand what you said

I think he meant to say "not"

oh

2:11 PM

Yes, it is the IRS demanding them

2:11 PM

and the law

Lol really?

2:12 PM

Is this another Holiday Inn Express ruling from the Law offices of Pedant and Moaning?

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actually the IRS only demands it for committees

schnikeys! We have a reader! https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/went-over-on-my-storage-spot-and-now-my-stuff-is-in-purgatoy/62326

Went over on my storage spot and now my stuff is in purgatoy

So being the dummy that I am, I didn’t remove my stuff from the storage shelves before the end of the month and now it’s all in storage purgatory. I saw that I had to post on talk and get the attention of Pearce Dunlap (hopefully that’s correct) to schedule a time to ge...

@artg_dms that may well have been what you considered an expansion meeting. But the board can't take actions outside a board meeting. Let alone just with two of them. That's how you represented it. The tldr is that the board has not taken any action to make the cave go away. But they would like to see it become more secure and well lit

All good points. I gotta run. Will check back later. What's next?

Burning down i75 seems like the best course of action currently

I think there are chemicals that can cause concrete to burn

3:31 PM

but I don't want to deal with them

They didn't say anything about jet fuel being ineffective against concrete

This was some light reading

3:35 PM

3:37 PM

Also, I find it funny how Draco couldn't understand what Eric meant by one word being off, but has no problem translating entire paragraphs of voice to text madness.

3:37 PM

I'm onto the games being played.

It is the time factor ... I've only translated one of her posts and that was enough for me

3:40 PM

And that took me a bit of work

3:41 PM

She really does need a translator or a better voice to text

3:41 PM

the only reason I translated that was because it was at issue with the people in the topic about her being legally blind

3:42 PM

To tell you the truth .. I can't read most of her posts.. or it is too much trouble to try

fyi - sent a Talk PM to @pearce , @yashsedai and @AGr regarding small bins and purgatory. Thx.

Does logistics cover the cleaning contracts? I don't think several of the classrooms are being vacuumed

They do cover the cleaning contracts

10:14 PM

which ones?

We are currently in contact with the cleaning people about what they are supposed to do

Pillar AND north lobby.

I can confirm Pearce's statement, as Finance had the cleaning contract on its list of contracts needing review and enforcement.

Can someone give me the dimensions of the common room and which computers are ours?

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/membership-stats-sept-1-2019/61969/44

12:50 PM

@Axeonos You might talk with @StanSimmons about what is what in the common room (edited)

Anything not DMS should come out and be put on lost and found if the person is not there.... we shouldn't be storing other people's computers and stuff. Trying to get common room not so clusterfucked here.

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I think the it might be better to talk to people first in the common room and ask them to take their stuff ... or leave a note

1:02 PM

Most of the desktops in the common room are DMS owned

Yet they seemed to be reserved for use by specific people on a daily basis.

"Burning down i75 seems like the best course of action currently" - Central Snailway

The computers in the common room shouldn't be reserved for specific people on a daily basis. They are for everyone. Trying to organize the common room shouldn't be seen as a dictator taking control but rather let's clean up the mess we made and make it look pretty and maybe we won't have so much turnover from people thinking we live there.

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2:45 PM

Either step up or step aside cause I'm tired of the negativity and "oh you shouldn't do that someone might get offended" attitude we've instilled. Help me or help yourself out of the conversation.

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I haven't heard one bit of evidence that shows that people hanging around for long periods of time contributes to people leaving the space ... I agree that people should pack up when they are done... I would go gently on this (edited)

Then clearly you haven't been paying attention. I agreed to go through this 2 board meetings ago. Granted it was right before major stuff for me but now I have time to do things... Trying to so it by the book and have received no help so far it makes you wonder why people try.

I mean if you need people to run through an area and get rid of junk and/or inappropriate personal storage....

3:20 PM

But you might want to warn people first

it would be most helpful- granted make sure they are not still there- ie went for lunch or working in laser.... bout to make some signs saying take your shit with you... might have a wednesday clean up next week if everyone is okay to help show up and help

There are two people that reside there at least. Just politely ask them to take their stuff home with them.

more than 2 last i was there....

If it becomes an issue I can help.

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3:25 PM

Bill hasn't been around lately

again im not looking to move the tables- just put most computers on one side.... clearing up the other side for those to bring in their computers or work on their shit at those tables

And remember the design computer's need to come out of interactive

when we moved from the old common room we kinda just set them down and thats where they started to live

That was supposed to be temporary until ca moved and the common room was functional

3:26 PM

But like this past weekend that marquetry class closed off that room all 3 days.

yes- when we move the stuff the computers in interactive will move too

3:28 PM

sorry if my outburst was too much... just kinda grr at things.... im okay

@Axeonos do you have a date in mind? Pm me and we can write up a talk post to give people a heads up that cleaning is coming

done

We just had the new evolution saw stolen

11:12 PM

Some noted it was on the loading dock

11:12 PM

Know what else is? The freebie shelf

11:13 PM

We need to move the freebie shelf away from the loading dock

11:13 PM

This is not the first instance of items being taken, and will not be the last

11:13 PM

It was a terrible idea putting it there, constantly overflowing into the fire egress and it's where our large packages and deliveries come in

stuff got removed on accident in all of its locations

That is unfortunate about the saw and I agree that it should move from its current spot... saying it was a terrible idea seems a tad harsh. We learn. We evolve. Pearce will come up with a plan...

what was the saw doing on the loading dock? i will look into the cameras. we also have rules about the freebie shelf not allowing stuff on the floor so the egress pathway isnt a shelf problem. its a people not following rules problem

11:25 PM

when the green dolly got taken we didnt close or move the freebie shelf. we asked the dude to bring it back

The rules mayhaps should be printed in vynil and attached to the shelf... Like the freebie shelf signs

assuming people read.

And mayhaps tape off the loading dock area?

what would that do

On the ground

11:27 PM

Section off the loading dock via tape. Allows people to know not a storage, not for common use... and don't put your shit here

11:29 PM

I think @AGr had some when he was chair. Where it is I can not say

Designate a space for received packages. There's no need to just dump deliveries in the middle of an already crowded dock.

normally they dump things on the table

Cage is gonna get built

The saw has been located and will be returned tomorrow afternoon. He thought it was overflow on the freebie shelf

It's a loading dock, naturally it's a problem to separate stuff coming in versus going out

12:01 AM

We have a problem with people reading signs

always did

12:02 AM

stan said we contacted him and hes bringing it back

12:02 AM

i think we will be okay

Until the next one happens and it's already at a pawn shop

12:03 AM

We're lucky it happened when someone happened to be installing it

12:03 AM

Otherwise it would have gone unnoticed

That shelf needs to go

i agree its in a bad location

Causes more issues than solutions imo

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but laser doesnt want to give up the table that they dont use where the shelf used to be

It took a group effort to identify the guy and get him contacted. Freddy, Jim, me, Kevin, Charles and at least one other were involved in tracking it down.

I'm not as nice as you guys. I'd have told him to bring it back NOW.

12:06 AM

Nobody gives away unopened fucking saws

Right? Who looks at a brand new saw and thinks it's on the crap shelf. (edited)

12:16 AM

Sorry freebie shelf.

theres still a NIB motor for the garage door on the dock. the panic here would suggest that the motor should have been stolen forever ago

That motor isn't as interesting to the membership and a generic box

12:34 AM

When we get tools and other things delivered it's a different story

Yeah let's just designate a better location for deliveries. Even if there wasn't a free shelf leaving new toys sitting out isn't the best idea.

12:46 AM

Logistics closet or finance office come to mind. Not sure how crowded the office is, but the closet is due for a cleanup anyways

1:18 AM

Tool wall is ready for the order of tools I gave you links to pearce

1:18 AM

Not sure 30 degree shelves make sense without foam inserts

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Yeah

1:20 AM

Good work though

new tool walls, yay!

1:27 AM

@michaelb the problem is whomever accepts the delivery has to be able to put it somewhere. Often these things aren't readily movable to something like the admin office or logistics closet. Other times may simply be whomever is present doesn't have access to those. In this case the FM required they redo how the saw's wiring was implemented, which meant they couldn't install the new saw right away as they rewired it and modified the stand

Just get rid of the shelf until we've got a better place for it, likely 102 since 104 is so crowded

6:43 AM

And before anyone starts screaming about expansion, obviously I mean after the work over there is done

so ... no shelf until 2020? Sounds like a plan.

We are already having issues with personal storage in the North Warehouse, adding the crapshelf is likely to exacerbate the issue, but I also don't have a better suggestion.

we've been renting the 102 warehouse for about a year and have made terrible use of it

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Luckily, everyone has access to the logistics closet. Bulkier items can be left in committee areas. Throwing packages in an unmarked area that we use to store carts is just asking for things to walk off, free shelf or not.

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I plan to get a cage made

9:40 AM

Rfid controlled

9:40 AM

Committee chair or better

9:40 AM

Camera observed (edited)

9:41 AM

FedEx ups amazon can have a door code

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/does-anyone-still-use-the-freebie-shelf/62413

Can we store balls in it like at the grocery store

10:11 AM

We need a dodgeball team. Faces arent off limits. Jk (edited)

10:12 AM

You can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball.

Anger issue, do we have?

Pop culture reference did we miss?

not involved in pop culture

That explains a lot

10:54 AM

There's no real good place for the freebie shelf

Can we burn it then?

Putting it next to project storage near the actual project storage is a bad idea, it will just end up with members projects being looted

I mean like a big fire

Y'all nearly burned Brandon at the stake for trying that. Why do you get to suggest it now?

I have anger issues

10:56 AM

Lol

10:57 AM

Who is yall

K. Shelf is going to stay where it is for a while since we can't have actual talks on where it should go. I don't like it over there either.

It is why I posted a thread about where is might go

And me saying I don't like it doesn't mean take it upon yourself to move it.

High traffic seems to be a good point

10:58 AM

I'm not Brandon

We have four desktops on one of the tables in the common room

11:34 AM

Two raspberry pis with large monitors that can be a web browser or a jump server client ... (edited)

11:34 AM

One linux box

11:34 AM

and one windows box

11:34 AM

Which two do we want to keep?

11:35 AM

Perhaps we can put one out in the lobby for sign ups?

11:37 AM

They are useful in the common room to sign people up

Nobody has an issue with space owned computers

I think many people have notebooks and I'm not certain they actually get used. I think maybe two of them at a time

11:47 AM

Perhaps spread them out? One on each table?

11:47 AM

That way most of the table space can be used for projects or whatever

11:48 AM

Also, we have 5 lights that are completely out and a few going out in the common room

11:48 AM

Where are the bulbs?

11:49 AM

I would be willing to help replace them

I was mad aware of the lights this week. I'll order some later today

Awesome

Thanks Freddy

Can we get two lights for ca?

11:54 AM

Bubs

11:54 AM

Light bubs

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Sure, bub ...

11:55 AM

(edited)

11:56 AM

Once they come in .. I will take a look

11:56 AM

Do you know if they are LED or Florescent?

11:57 AM

I'm not certain how many fixtures have been replaced

No clue, just know the lihhtvis out above the high table

11:57 AM

Light is

nods

No lights for u

48" T8 LED single-end AC powered 4000K or 5000K is what you want. I suggest hyperikon on the 'zon. I'm a bit leery of the cheaper glass-encpasulated variety since glass might not be a good thermal insulator but it's also not a good conductor insofar as heatsinking electronics goes.

12:01 PM

I was trying to do 4000K in the office and 5000K out in the office, but I suspect that convention has ceased to be followed

I figured I'd reorder the same we had bought for everywhere else

That'll probably work out

@ESmith or maybe @pearce - did the lights get upgraded in the Sewing Room?

I've not done them

Do we have the supplies? It shouldn't take long

The lights seem brighter in there, and the tubes are all lit. Hence my query.

2:49 PM

I wasn't sure whether Lazarus of Lighting had brought the old tubes back to life, or what had happened. Last I read, @pearce was sourcing the components since the same issues exist across the space. (edited)

perhaps someone replaced the floro tubes and we'll see how long it takes the ballasts to kill them

Looks like the logistics stuff in the warehouse won't fit in the closet without some more cleanup.

10:53 PM

Think we should give out the two boxes of calculator rulers, trash the styrofoam lunch trays, and the cotton candy machine, add another shelf, and add a hanging rack for all the mops/brooms/etc.

should take a pic / survey of current contents

things that dont need to live there (like cotton candy machine) can be placed on a pallet in warehouse. There should be a uline mop/broom holder in a box on logistics shelf

Whoops... already at the bar.

11:54 PM

I'll grab a pic tomorrow. And look for the holder, if it's there I may throw it up

cotton ... candy ... machine. buh?

It (was?) pretty popular, as I understand it...

2 years ago

yeah...back when we encouraged volunteerism from a large crowd...

It belongs to pr

So PR closet?

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If it's not going to be in the lobby

It's actually about to be not at DMS soon. Donating to a museum

I thought it was already in the lobby?? Could have sworn the lost and found shelf was bookended by the cotton candy machine and the popcorn machine. Although, I suppose Kevin might have "relocated" it to make room for his stripper pole display...

Yeah. The cotton candy machine is 100% PR's. It certainly draws a crowd just about every time it comes out. It's a bit of a pain to clean, and as much as everyone thinks that it's feasible to use indoors.... it is not.

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this made me giggle

12:19 PM

12:22 PM

@yashsedai is "storage@dms" answered, too?

12:22 PM

vs

hrm

12:22 PM

i'll check

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Lol why was their stuff moved? They get a new ticket every month!

I'll confess to finding the storage rules confusing, too (of course, that's part of the reason I don't store stuff @ DMS...)

~75% of the problems with storage is users who try to wiggle around the notion of limits

If its systemic, then perhaps the system needs to be more clearly explained By the system, each time a slot is reserved.

It's not though

3:09 PM

It's a few select people who are repeat offenders

3:10 PM

And then a few one off new people who get told incorrectly by repeat members

3:11 PM

It's not reserved for a whole month. Dunno where that came from

and then a few one off new people who get told incorrectly by repeat members I think that's the story of DMS conflicts... I have come to think some "repeat members" know jolly well what they're doing, too, but I could be wrong... (edited)

I've spoken to people, written the most concise rules possible, outlined on posters, summary rules on the back of tickets ... still people trying to lawyer it or outright cheat (edited)

3:29 PM

it's a problem that can be mitigated but not eliminated

3:30 PM

I think a key mitigation step that's been missing is making it cost something

3:30 PM

doesn't have to be money, but storage needs to have limits beyond the mere availability of space

Charging for it seems to have a whole other boat full of issues attached to it

Also, there are common patterns out in society .. one is when you rent something for a month, it is common to have it from the date you put it in there for a month to date .. not from whenever put it in there, to the end of the month, which could be as little as one day. I would wager that most systems outside of ours, do not work this way (edited)

What does that have to do with people failing to read and not following the rules?

YOU DONT RENT OUR STORAGE.

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3:59 PM

It's fucking volunteer run. I'm not going to ask people to show up at the space and make sure every tag had it's 30 days.

3:59 PM

If they fucking read the tag they are supposed to sign they would understand

@pearce maybe if we have some public meetings we can ask for opinions on better how to solve this from people who have ZERO involvement, maybe if we require the groups to have these it will fix all the problems magically and we can all live in a utopian dream and sit in fire circles and dance and sing kumbya (edited)

I'm definitely more inclined to listen to people who show up and help

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Seem like I remember these cries from the other side of the fence not too many months ago

5:50 PM

at that point I was volunteering

Lol

5:51 PM

You volunteered?

yes .. a lot

5:51 PM

not for logistics as much

5:52 PM

I was up there working 3 days a week (edited)

My cries were about being excluded from information about our finances as treasurer. But I was not that involved in logistics.

Doing what?

I was refactoring the calendar, organizing Hatcher's Armory, working a lot in Infra fixing computers and and servers, helping people fix calendar problems, I wrote the RFID software and built the server... and more for other committees

The server?

The RFID server

Lol

5:55 PM

Gor it

It is built and running

Except it doesn't actually do anything

Except it is doing something right now .. talk to Stan

Oh you mean the stuff stan is publishing without anyone's ok?

5:56 PM

Ya

5:56 PM

I'm aware of what it does

5:56 PM

And what it doesnt do

I'm not talking about that Script

5:57 PM

I'm talking about data collection from the door controllers

What do you think I'm talking about

the script that Stan was showing off

I'm aware that you have something that reads the logs (edited)

ligs?

5:58 PM

logs?

5:58 PM

nope

5:58 PM

What logs?

...

5:58 PM

Door controller logs

Are you talking about the data store for the RFID

Not gonna be relevant for long

I don't understand why you insist on laughing and generally being disrespectful ... I don't understand why you cannot lead instead of boss

I dont understand why cant get in line when led

6:01 PM

That's your issue

Your leading .. is just telling people that if you don't like it .. there is the door

You are helping or leaving

6:01 PM

You chose not to help

6:01 PM

So I showed you the door

6:02 PM

You dont have to like it

6:02 PM

You dont have to agree (edited)

but your the boss

If you wanna get down to brass tacks, you didnt complete shit you started

6:02 PM

We dont need more of that

What stuff?

All the shit you listed above?

I completed the refactor of the calendar

6:03 PM

it is running on the new version of PHP and CakePHP

Ya, might ask some real coders about that

or the lastest that was out

I've had 2 opinions now

6:03 PM

That's not what was said

I did not write the code

You claimed to update it

You have to understand that firstly

6:04 PM

What I did was update it from a very old version and remove the deprications

You advertised it as such

I never claimed to have written the calendar code

6:04 PM

It was written by someone Alex knew

ya'll have an infrastructure channel and/or PMs to argue about this, no?

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Bite me

2

6:07 PM

Draco wants to tell us all how he is so helpful

I think I understand your respective corners, er, sides...and I'll not deny either of you the platform to defend your stance (that'd be for others, if desired) and, in fact, I'll thank you for not doing this on Talk, but...times and places (and optics)... Thank you for taking it to a more proper space.

#logistics

Wah

6:19 PM

Wah

6:20 PM

You can help stop it anytime

How much force do you think a 3 inch flange with a 4 foot lever could take?

4:12 PM

Would be cast iron flange welded to pallet rack cross beam

4:19 PM

For a new vertical storage, so things would just be leaning on pipe, not sitting on top of it

That's some material science that's above my pay grade

If we can manage to weld the flange on, I think it'd be fine. Most of the flex would probably be on the 4 foot of pipe.

4:33 PM

I assume you're planning on doing pallet racks with only a rear crossbeam? If so we should probably anchor the sides into the floor.

would have some front beams at the very top, but yeah anchoring would be good

4:36 PM

should be less than 5,000 psi if someone pushed on the end of pipe with 100 pounds of force

4:39 PM

would be double the cost to order parts off amazon vs metals4uonline, but they may not be threaded

4:44 PM

not sure I would trust flanges from amazon that say decorative steampunk

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Ok... So here's a calculator for buckling load on a steel column, pipe is one of the cross sections. it only does 2-12" however. We've got a cantilever setup.

4:44 PM

https://courses.cit.cornell.edu/arch264/calculators/example7.3/index.html

4:44 PM

They don't have black iron as an option, so go for other materials and http://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=f3cd25980ab24fdaa5893252cd2bc192&ckck=1

4:45 PM

Plot out a few options for pipe, find a quadratic fit (cause I'm pretty sure the term is quadratic or cubic...) and find it for smaller radii.

4:47 PM

Andddd realize all your assumptions fall apart for small pipe diameters. damn

@pearce Can order this off amazon if you want me to attempt vertical storage transition 20x https://www.amazon.com/Everflow-Supplies-BMFL0034-Malleable-Flange/dp/B01BTYTOG6 5.25 * 20 = 105 4x https://www.amazon.com/Everflow-PCBL3448-5-Industrial-Schedule-Threaded/dp/B07FT38W8S/ 65.99 * 4 = 263.96 368.96 total would save $134 to buy pipe from https://www.metals4uonline.com/steel-pipe-schedule-40-3_4ths and thread it ourselves (would have to purchase cheap quality tool for $50), but thats not as convenient as clicking order on amazon

How many feet of new vertical does that make?

one 8 foot wide rack that is 4' deep, currently there are 2 ~10 feet racks

Some better math says that 100lbs should cause something in range of 6-10in for deflection, which seems reasonable. on 3/4" pipe . Probably won't break the pipe., but again, the welds are questionable.

If you are using racking, what's stopping you from a top weld

not sure what you mean

Using pallet racks, are you planning on putting flanges on the tops of the poles?

is what I was thinking of, (except 3 rows of the pipe coming out) similar to current vertical rack except using 3/4" black pipe (which is 1" in diameter) instead of 1.5" square tubing

People put way more weight on those than we are expecting

Is there a reason why we are not using the prefab pieces?

7:47 PM

Much safer

7:47 PM

No compliance issues

7:48 PM

https://www.wh1.com/store/shop/detail/36-x-36-pallet-rack-m-divider

36" x 36" Pallet Rack M Divider - Vertical Divider - WH1

Store bulky products vertically in your pallet rack bays with these 36 x 36 inch pallet rack m-dividers. Shop orange vertical dividers here.

7:48 PM

For an example

7:48 PM

They can be had used for cheap

7:48 PM

brad can likely suggest a source

That's plausible, want to order 7 of those Pearce?

@pearce its a lot easier to see when your being summoned rather than just saying a name

9:46 PM

Free shelf overflowing and scrap wood is always overflowing with unuseable offcuts

9:47 PM

(picture is after I put stuff onto scrap wood cart)

That's because laser can't teach or manage their scrap bin properly

Can we rename the free shelf 'we throw your stuff away for you shelf'?

No. It shall be called the "We throw your free stuff away for you for free shelf". Redundancy intended.

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I like it.

dude! free bike! thats like worth.... 5 bucks....

Hmm, I used unknown mop water assuming it wasn't hazardous

11:45 PM

Now to see if this sink collapses dumping in a few gallons

4 weeks in and mdf tops look better than I expected

I think Logistics can afford to replace them ~quarterly

Was actually thinking of replacing them soon.

I dunno. Gonna be rough on the budget.

Oh man yeah that $14 total in tabletops every month is gonna be tough

collection drive

nah man we need to hold honorarium classes for them.

9:27 AM

think about 12 classes a month will do

9:28 AM

one day im ganna teach underwater basket weaving.... its on my to do list

Paper table coverage technique classes

9:29 AM

Butcher paper origami.

the art of "fuck your shit"

Maybe we can get Brandon to teach some classes on how to throw things in the dumpster.

9:35 AM

Maybe that'd lighten the load on the we throw your free stuff away for you for free shelf.

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but that would take the joy out of us doing it

perform some science and learn to predict the ballistic trajectory of free shelf detritus off the dock

Build a gigantic basketball goal over the dumpster to encourage tossment.

is it too late to repurpose the trebuchet?

yes

Yeah, Brandon chopped it apart to get it out of storage.

i mean technically if it gets in the bin no harm no foul.... and im sure it can be an event -

9:41 AM

oooo a conveyer belt

Although... a trebuchet to get trash to the dumpster has its attractions; nobody would park nearby anymore.

"why does he need to throw away the stuff with a trebuchet" cause yall keep putting useless trash on the shelf, it gets overcrowded- move your fucking car or get a box full of used candles through your windshild"

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or yet another set of heavy duty truck brake rotors that "someone could use to make a forge"

Ain't nobody want that

yeah I'm pretty sure that we're about 0/200 on those

9:49 AM

but Mount Carrollton doesn't care what you feed it

new porter seems to be working hard

Porter?

cleaning lady

They don't touch the free shelf... though in all fairness we should let the cleaning lady have first dibs. She works hard enough for it.

lol

9:53 AM

we got a new cleaning lady

9:53 AM

this one be working hard

Harder than sweep sweep phone time?

yes

9:57 AM

much harder

how do we reward that, so it will continue? Other than money, obviously, since we have none of that...

We can make a plaque with her face on it that says "employee of the month"? Pizza party? I'm out of ideas that my work rewards me for doing good....

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lol

10:06 AM

I wouldnt reward yet haha, she just started

yeah, but we gotta show encouragement right off the bat. Won't be 3 days til the place beats it out of 'em otherwise...

10:10 AM

at the very least, hearty thank you, slap on the back, handshake... something...

wouldnt argue that

wait...

10:11 AM

don't we have a president now whose role in this venture is that very kind of thing?

Ideas: (1) Buy the lady a new vacuum. (2) Always have another box of trash can liners available. (3) Move the rickety wood steps from behind the transformer to the trashbin so when the window is full, she can reach the lid. Although rickety steps might make us ripe for a Workers Comp claim... (4) Not leave a crapton of shit she has to deal with. (5) Or overshot crap in the restrooms, either.

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Do we need a new vacuum? (we always seem to, but I can't figure out what happens to them, except "DMS") 4) should be happening anyway, but "DMS" 5) sigh

Good news, we've got like a whole shelf of trash can liners. I think it was 5 different sizes and at least 2 boxes of each

10:59 AM

The vacuums were in rough shape though.

? Garage sale?

I just remember that at one point the previous lady was using the dyson from the galley to vacuum the space. Which is sort of like vacuuming the space with a dustbuster.

as far as I know, that was the intent

11:43 AM

(because Dyson ROCKS!)

It's not an industrial machine but damn will they do a good job on an apartment or a small house

to whom does this indivdual "report"? Can we not get meaningful reports and be responsive about taking care of business like this?

I'm not sure if we actually buy industrial-strength vacuums, or we buy home vacuums that aren't intended for industrial use. Not to mention that industrial vacuums usually have magnet bars in front of the beaters, so at least you aren't sucking steel crap (austensibly paperclips and the like, but here....)

11:44 AM

That dyson has issues.

I'll confess that my experience with Dyson is that of the typical Italian car owner: they're pretty, and work great...when they work

I think they report to Logistics. Not sure what pearce has worked out for "conversation." Seems like the company she works for is supposed to oversee her work ethic.

I (and others) attempted to recommend something more industrial than the Dyson, but it was bought anyway. shrug

Kirby

11:47 AM

will last foreva

they are home machines as well.

we have an oreck industrial but it don't suck well

weeell..... as with most "pimp" arrangements with which I'm familiar, going directly to the source of the labor would probably work better as long as you have a good relationship...

lol you patronize pimps?

No, he's only "familiar"

(pimp joke is reference to all of us "contract laborers" who work for someone other than the place you see us working)

11:49 AM

do we still have the oreck? Did it get checked for proper setup?

Oh great. Now I'm picturing @jast wearing fishnet stockings under his workwear. And I can't unsee that.

11:50 AM

I did three straight days of going to DMS. Don't make me go again this week.

we need a mind's eye poking out emoji for Judy...

11:56 AM

here's what I had to say back when the Dyson was being discussed:

What's a "mind's eye poking out" mean? That you and I have a hive-mind?

that your mind's eye needs poking out so you can forget me in fishnets (an image no person should EVER have to endure, so thank you for that...)

12:16 PM

and I'm willing to bet our hive-mind is more intricate than we care to divulge, given we both frequent the 'Space

methinks we had a hive mind long before DMS. Brother from another Mother.

12:20 PM

And I'm thinking that my mind's eye should be made of clay so I can poke it with metal so it will dry out.

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found the necropsy on the dirt devil that came out of DMS to be replaced by the Dyson... https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/dear-makerspace/2824/28?u=jast If you care to read up on what "killed" it.

12:24 PM

PS I am in contact with the person I gave it to after the necropsy, after the "bowling ball test" I actually took it to do, and after realizing I now had a fine vacuum with nowhere to keep it. It's working peachy for keeping crudpuppies at bay in a "server closet"...

Re: new cleaning porter, all credit is due @Robert

12:47 PM

He took on the delegated task

Just tag me if you guys need anything with the cleaning lady. But some of the goals is going to be doing semi weekly steam cleaning, back to cleaning the shop areas, cleaning the whole bldg.

12:48 PM

We should absolutely buy her whatever equipment is going to work the best

12:48 PM

We spend around 30k on cleaning she needs good tools

12:50 PM

bimonthly not semi weekly

So for complete understanding, every other month for the steaming

I was thinking every 2 weeks

12:51 PM

It’s whatever we want

12:52 PM

Anyone know if that steam cleaner I bought the previous one is still at DMS

It's still there in the closet.

rug doctor yes

Perfect

does it work?

Don't know if it works. Is there an instruction manual somewhere? (Or instruction comic book?)

they aren't that complicated

It did from the state of the carpets I am not sure if the last cleaner ever used it

12:53 PM

It was brand new about 2 years ago

water & solution in the clean tank, spray, vacuum, dump dirty out of the crud tank

Ya they are used as rentals everywhere

I'm betting a cleaner knows the drill

Yeah, but if the last time you rented one was ten years ago, and you've slept a few times, you've forgotten the illustrated instructions.

It’s pretty simple and it has instructions on it

Robert, what is the feedback mechanism for the cleaner to the DMS handler (or, to ask another way, have you set up a way for the person doing the cleaning to let you know what they need?)

Ah!

Yeah but comic book instructions make everything better

Cleaner contacts the handler

12:55 PM

Handler contacts me/Pearce

if she needs equip bought just let me know

12:55 PM

or whoever

12:55 PM

im happy to take care of it

I have instructed the cleaner to not take directions from anyone onsite and to only go through the handler

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12:56 PM

*we need a new name...

for the handler?

12:56 PM

The pimp?

Feels like she is a spy

️‍♀️

12:56 PM

Ya

12:56 PM

Handlers name is Maya

I like using the phrase "cleaner" better than "cleaning lady", cause it might be a cleaning dude some time

12:56 PM

so gender neutral makes sense

How is the vacuum she uses?

lol I'm guessing calling her consuela is not ok

I am never there during the day

guessing the vacuum is shit

and making lemon pledge references

12:57 PM

i'll have a look at the vacuum next time im in

@yashsedai noooo nooooo...we need more lemon pledge

I haven't used it, but visually they had seen many better days

Is that covered in the cintas "maybe has a contract" situation?

I believe there were two vacuums in the logistics closet

Pretty sure we own the vac

not covered by cintas

I was making a joke

I asked the handler if she has any recommendations or any equipment needs

about the lemon pledge

12:59 PM

Biohazard gear for the mens rooms and the ac/dc room?

haha

There were some boxes of air fresheners it looked like cintas provided

ac/dc room?

the men/women/other restroom

i have to talk with more with Pearce about the damn cintas bit,

1:00 PM

GRRRRRR

ah

Where we rectify our problems?

I am going to go meet her in 2 weeks and walk through everything but something to prep on is do we have a outdoor vac for the woodshop and metal shop

1:00 PM

Cintas contract is BS

there are vacs in both places

There's a rigid shop vac in the logistics closet,

@michaelb Groannnnn

Several more around the shop

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1:01 PM

@judy Kriehn I'm glad someone appreciates my efforts

Do you think the cleaner should have a dedicated one ?

ain't nothin' stays dedicated around here

RFID!

Interlock!

GFLWT

But agreed on the dedicated

1:04 PM

Interlock is not practical

1:04 PM

I can have her use the shop vacs I also told her she needs to use a swiffer, brush something to clean the top of the dust collection in woodshop

1:04 PM

We can not have dust collect

lololol

1:05 PM

can we get her a camera duster and let her dust the domes?

1:05 PM

they make something you can do it from the floor with

cleaning woodshop? should we buy a powered respirator for them? https://www.amazon.com/3M-Personal-Protective-Equipment-Versaflo/dp/B07K15G1F6/ref=sr_1_17?keywords=papr&qid=1568916285&sr=8-17

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If you get a tool I can teach her

God damn those things are more expensive than I thought

1:08 PM

Probably worth a 'hey you'll be stirring up a lot of dust in this room Id recommend you use a mask' and put a box of Rich's masks or something in the logistics closet for them.

Adapter to the compressor

1:08 PM

Filtered pretty good

yeah those cheap masks would be better than nothing

/s but agreed on the mask

1:10 PM

Where are the masks

1:10 PM

Still in 102

interlock/rfid may not be practical, but it is amusing to envision a bigass device mounted on the handle that would transform the vacuum into a workout device (weights) as well as a floor suction device.

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Silly me. I was thinking an RFID'd closet for their dedicated stuff...

1:12 PM

That's much less funny

We have no available closet space, do we?

we have no available space

1:13 PM

doesn't seem to stop people from stealing some for their pet projects anyway

As it is, it occurred to me that the ac/dc restroom might be a viable option for personal storage bins now that all the paper towel/windex/simple green/etc storage has relocated to the logistics closet.

1:14 PM

But then it occurred to me "still a stinky potty in there. Mostly used by guys. Yuck."

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Allegro Industries 9901 Constant Flow Supplied Air Respirator, Full Face, Standard https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GOAKJMY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_fz8GDbYV7E9QM

1:20 PM

Dust masks should be fine but I can ask if she wants a respirator we can get her one

@yashsedai “After visiting with the day porter, she stated she needs the following supplies: -Windex -Gloves (small) She also request a day porter cart. As the vacuum it would be best to have a backpack vacuum. Also the dirt devil vacuum needs a new filter.”

4:00 PM

This is what I got from the handler

Roger

Followed up with model/brand of backpack

one of these? https://www.uline.com/BL_1823/Standard-Janitor-Cart?keywords=cleaning+cart

Rubbermaid Janitor Carts in Stock - ULINE

Uline stocks a huge selection of Rubbermaid janitor carts. Order by 6 pm for same day shipping. Huge Catalog! Over 36,000 products in stock. 11 Locations across USA, Canada and Mexico for fast delivery of Rubbermaid Janitor Carts.

we had a backpack vacuum

4:05 PM

last i saw it was in the middle closet

Ok can anyone onsite take a look.

4:26 PM

I did about 3 min of googling but this seems to be the standard in vacuums

4:26 PM

ProTeam Backpack Vacuums, Super CoachVac Commercial Backpack Vacuum Cleaner with HEPA Media Filtration and Telescoping Wand Tool Kit, 10 Quart, Corded https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GM4YKWC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_0h.GDb8CXTMF6

4:27 PM

A little pricy at $400 but seems worth it for a full time cleaner if we find out that vacuum she had was a personal one

I just bought Windex. It'll be at the space tonight

Oh yeah sure buy the cleaner Windex but don't buy the residents styrofoam bowls. I see how it is.

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stone cold

when you say 'bought windex' do you mean bought a case of 4 gallons? https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-17246/Cleaning-Supplies/Windex-Refill-1-Gallon-Bottle

Windex® Refill - 1 Gallon Bottle S-17246 - Uline

Refill for your trigger spray bottle. Non-streaking formula leaves surfaces sparkling clean. Loosens dirt on contact. Cleans glass, stainless steel, chrome, mirrors, tile, plastic, ceramic and enamel. Cleans with Ammonia-D for a streak-free shine. Spray Bottles availab...

4:58 PM

that may or may not last until this lease runs out

Just walked by a tour in the workshop, 'and here you'll see our personal storage area, if you have a project you're working on you can apply for a 7 day storage period and I believe a one time extension for 7 days'.

7:07 PM

I mean I guess it could be worse so I shouldn't complain.

7 days is the min time before it's moved to purgatory

7:09 PM

But I doubt that's how they got to that description

why, oh why, do rumor and misinformation get so well-traveled, but truth and proper information....never seem to leave the station...

They just need to point out the kiosk on tour, that's what you need to know about

not a new phenomenon, either, apparently...

Falsehood will fly, as it were, on the wings of the wind, and carry its tales to every corner of the earth; whilst truth lags behind; her steps, though sure, are slow and solemn, and she has neither vigour nor activity enough to pursue and overtake her enemy…
- Thomas Francklin (1787)

That tour guide makes me sound awesome (edited)

Mayhaps we should talk to PR and make sure that the tour guides are getting the correct information

I'm thinking queue cards. The guide flips through at each station. Reads what's on the card. No more. No less. No questions... (too much?)

7:20 PM

wait. that would be cue cards, no?

Could add some Blinky lights to the storage kiosk to draw attention

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At a board office hours, I said that the info given by guides is horribly inconsistent, and maybe bullet points for each committee would be a good thing. Gorman immediately took offense, informing me that we had HAD that. And that he would send to me. That was over a month ago. Nothing.

7:58 PM

Last week Andrew B asked me what should be said about CA. I was bolting furniture together at the time, and without an elevator speech at the ready.

Yeah. We all (me included) poke holes in what we have, but don't actually take steps to fixing it. Of course, sometimes that's because the steps we do take are summarily round-filed...

8:18 PM

Is is wrong to expect everyone else to demand perfection of themselves?

Are you the Andrew who is there every once in a while on tour nights? Not pr andrew

FYI - there are currently approximately 26 active members named Andrew.

Y'all need to take up my approach

11:05 PM

Go Highlander on people

I tried that, people got upset that it would eventually end up in the world exploding

11:41 PM

Or however that series ended (edited)

Not sure if @Lavarocks 's question was aimed at me, but no. I am (generally) indisposed on Tuesday and Thursday nights, so I am (roughly) never there on those nights. I am also not Andrew LeCody.

@pearce sorry to be dense... how does one "go highlander"? (I know I'm losing nerd creds by knowing next-to-nothing about highlander...)

"there can be only one"

11:48 PM

Gotta turn them into blood fountains

11:49 PM

Gotcha. Thank you.

I knew you were not Lecody but met another Andrew a few weeks ago. Not like it's a rare name. (edited)

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Just finished a tour of a space in Oslo Norway there storage plan is you purchase a sticker for storage for 30 days and you can purchase another sticker for 30 Days but if your sticker expires than the materials become available for anyone to use

12:08 PM

Photos of the space

love the idea

It’s simple and elegant storage solution

#theft

The place looks awesome. I'd like to see what happens at DMS if we did that.

wait... I think you time traveled... is that Tim Bene in the pics? But with grey hair?

Mostly because I think I'd I enjoy the chaos, but let's ignore that...

I'm impressed with their tool organization, just using 2 layers of the cheap home insulation instead of more expensive foam

With as many scavengers as we have people would be frothing at the mouth for that.

Think it's worth a shot? @AGr

The storage idea... not the insulation foam

once we have tools to organize sure

12:54 PM

@michaelb want to do some logistics stuff on sunday?

Sure

12:55 PM

And lol that's a good point. I guess we haven't bought any hand tools yet...

of course anyone else who wants to move stuff around is welcome also

Starting tomorrow till October @pearce and crew will be gone (edited)

I know, we have a mission to complete before they get back

God speed

cue theme music

lol

Still on here while making the drives

But not DURING while on here, I hope. Discording and driving is even more intense than texting while driving.

lol no

Norwegian makers seem to subsist on Pepsi, Mountain Dew, water and beer. And maybe those boxes are chocolate bars?

I don't think that's necessarily exclusive to Norwegian makers

Kinda my point. They shop at ikea, too.

1:50 PM

Interesting that a lot of their project storage is approximately the same size as our person bins. But then, I guess without a ceramics Dept they don’t have to worry about the pitfalls of clay vs. metal. (edited)

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what would be the cheapest possible vertical storage dividers? using 2x4s or cnc cutting some 1/2" plywood?

What for? In place of the pipe?

could sacrifice a few inches of depth to reinforce the 2x4s at the back with a layer of plywood

3:57 PM

as temporary solution until premade M dividers arrive

I like 2x4s with a plywood gusset at the back.

Yeah could get 18 2x4s for less than $50

I'll just buy the dividers

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On the Norway Makerspace they also had an interesting tool purchase program. The members could get together and pay for a tool they thought would be useful and then could charge for it’s use till it pays off the tool and then it pays back the original members contribution. Like a toll for tools.

That is very interesting but I fear someone will call the 'I' word

Has the backpack vacuum been found?

@AGr what time were you thinking?

2:30ish?

Sounds good

Ramp got blocked, can someone move this to warehouse when it's open?

5:03 PM

Will need more hands to put up pallet racks in warehouse, for now have one section available for vertical storage, just needs dividers

5:07 PM

If someone delivers 12 104" 2x4s I can build some wood dividers. Dprg stuff and shear and vacuum former prevents making other side vertical storage currently

FYI. Two of these boxes were in front lobby. I transferred to supply closet.

6:19 PM

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I am planning on meeting with the cleaning company at 5pm on Wednesday would anyone else like to join?

How's it going with the new porter?

I think she’s awesome!

10:29 PM

I was at the space working on a feather flag for tour night. Looked up to see her mopping the floor in CA. My jaw about hit the floor. I sent Robert a couple of pix of the hallway right after she’d vacuumed. It was so nice. Of course, three hours later it was dirty, again, but... (edited)

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She does an awesome job i agree

2

Is she cleaning 102?

yes

2

Looks like the new Ryobi 1/2" impact is broken

1

that was faster than usual

We are professionals. Don't try this at home. Not.

12:16 AM

Should I put these logs being stored in walkway in purgatory or dumpster?

put them on the pallet

FYI i didnt get a chance to put the stickers on the cardholders pearce, but they are in that mint tin underneath the DPRG shelf, pretty self / shelf expalanatory,

4:48 PM

I'm not currently following what you are talking about, but might remember when I lay hands on the stickers

4:49 PM

Oh

4:49 PM

Perfect

Pearce, May I have permission (with an ok from Rich as to keeping within fire code) to decorate the common room with Halloween stuff? I’ll take it down on November 1.

4:04 PM

@pearce

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Let's get the common room cleaned up and remove the permanent installs from the tables before any decorating gets done.

6

Happy to help

Hi friends. I was try trying to get a receipt to get some space to store my materials on the shelves, but I ran into the problem where I scanned my RFID, but it said "Member not found" to something to that matter. Can someone please help me or direct me to someone ask for help?

Make sure the scanner didn't pick up your car keys, otherwise it's likely an issue with your membership. You might email accounts@dallasmakerspace.org to verify if your account is active and if the badge number works

Thanks @pearce . Will do!

Water sprinkler creating a geyser in front of 104

Hmm

It’s at the road right by the turn-in nearest us

@pearce - you might want to order some plain big trash bags. The only big bags in the closet are contractor bags, which while appropriate in a few committees like woodshop or machine shop are kind of an expensive option for other large trash can locations

can do

10:15 PM

know what size you want?

I dunno... I guess they’re in the 33 gallon range?

Hello! I couldn’t find my stuff today in the wood shop and I just printed a new ticket yesterday. Would it be at the offsite storage?

likely, ill have to look through the list later. if you had a 7 day notice and simply retagged it, yes your stuff got moved into the purgatory closet because you did not get an extension

Oh okay, how do I get access if it is in there?

ill have to meet you up there and retrieve it for you, i can be there tomorrow after 7 if you can make it

9:22 PM

pm

@pearce “Good morning. I wanted to notify that day porter needs more paper towels and small and large trash bags.” From the day porter

11:49 AM

Does she know the storage closet exists? Because unless we burned through my Costco run this weekend we should have some

11:49 AM

@Robert

There were lots of paper towels and such when I was in there Saturday night.

Where is the storage closet?

Common room next to door into galley.

requires use of rfid to enter.

Does she have access?

9:05 AM

She says today she only has 1 roll of medium trash bags

9:06 AM

“Good morning. Day porter only has 1 roll left for the medium trash bags. Could you please order more medium and large trash bags?”

So i verified last night

9:06 AM

She does have access

9:06 AM

that is where she stores the vacuum

9:06 AM

also

Cool she said she did have access and that’s where we are out

there is only one roll left

9:07 AM

of the medium and one of the large

Amazon reoccurring shipments feel like a need right now

lol

@pearce FYI above

10:19 AM

Who can get more trash bags?

It's kind of concerning how much trash we generate

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Welcome to Dallas makerspace.

recurring shipments from somewhere - doesn't have to be the 'Zon. I gather there are numerous places around us that do this very thing, and generally at B2B rates rather than 'Zon retail rates.

7

4

Beautiful

8:02 PM

I see you got one of the newer style lights like I have

8:02 PM

Dunno we had the arm lights

8:02 PM

But they disappeared

I hadn't seen any at the space before

8:02 PM

They're super useful

We had 2

Thought that was for the consumables wall?

@merissa Isn't that the joke?

The pegboard was, but the plan was to use all of them the same way

9:00 PM

Also I haven't had much response for consumables wall items so I haven't been able to purchase any

Foam paint brushes.

@pearce TIG and plasma consumables. If it weren't a mess I'd say powder coat too

8:57 AM

Maya is saying we are also out of 32 gallon contractor bags

8:57 AM

@pearce

jesus

9:00 AM

how the hell we go thru so man

Man are we just throwing these away or something?

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they are trash bags

Correction 42 gallon

10:07 AM

Pretty sure trash is now being taken out and there are quite a few trash cans

I think we need to be judicious about the contractor bag usage. For example, Day-to-day, trash cans in areas like CA, printmaking, classrooms, galley or common probably only need regular or leaf bag weight. Woodshop, metal and glass, maybe laser would be contractor weight candidates.

Why?

For my $, i'd stop putting a liner in Metal Shop's. When people put metal in it, the liner is utterly useless anyway... Implementing a can-washing regimen would go further in may locales, but then, that requires someone to actually DO, and we have enough trouble getting them emptied at all...

Contractor bags cost twice as much as regular?

1:00 PM

My brain was saying “Kaching!” When taking out contractor bags filled with paper and vinyl-weeding detritus.

in Metal, we put a liner in the plastic bins for general waste, but no liner in the steel cans for other things

4:03 PM

the steel can is the one chunks of metal and hot things are supposed to go into

a liner might inconvenience users by melting and/or catching fire

hence why we have the steel cans... however some users appear to not respect that. Considering replacing all the plastic ones with steel

11:14 AM

an unlimed plastic one still gets melted through

11:14 AM

it's actually something we talk about when we teach the hot process class.

people put hot metal into trash cans?? Whoa. That trumps metal poking holes in bags of clay.

I can't recommend storing your bags of clay in the garbage can

11:38 AM

that'd be just asking for trouble

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I think a few weeks back someone in blacksmithing dropped their piece into the plastic quench bucket and put a hole on the side while it was full of water...

LOL

12:56 PM

Plastic's OK...til it ain't...

I hope it was one of the “outside” events...

@michaelb why metal switched to the metal buckets, but blacksmithing seems to like their plastic ones

I'd argue the water issue is better than the fire issue though

@pearce for what this might be worth, and I'm sure you already know, but just tossing it out there, RichMeyer seems to be the King of Castors, and might have something for that busted one...

I was also thinking we could just let that cart die

It's been through a lot

viking funeral the cart?

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Flaming dumpster death?

I'm sure Nick Sainz, @Lampy (Ken Purcell) , and myself can come up with something lol

2:23 PM

@Lampy (Ken Purcell) whose insurance should be put it under

2:23 PM

I think Carl will lend his out lol

Ha, Carl would love it but it would have to be much bigger! I'm sure the AHJ would not be happy to have a flaming cart rocketing down the back alleyway with additional pyro going off.

hey, but there'

2:28 PM

s that piece of paper that says we know what we're doing!

2:29 PM

shame I missed the last event

2:29 PM

we could strap a rocket to it and try to ramp it into the dumpster

2:30 PM

I mean it's a work cart, but with a rocket we can call it a weapon of mass construction

Guys guys you're forgetting the obvious here. If we're going to throw something away in style, we need to leave it to the professional. @AGr

you missed the part where we complain about it for 2+ years

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let's build a new trebuchet to throw it into the dumpster

3:06 PM

we can design the machine to throw itself in there with the cart when it's done.

@pearce this was given to me by Miramar, so I’m passing it on to you. She said it’s what’s needed.

have we gone through 300+ cups in less than 2 weeks? I recall at least 1 full bag and most of another at least before I left on my trip

10:07 AM

each bag is 250-odd if I recall correctly

This is what she asked me to send. I’ll go take a look in the magic room of lies.

2:48 PM

I thought we weren’t stocking cups and plates anymore?

Nop

4:42 PM

But I got the rest

Some of the plates may be left from the mass quantities I bought for that picnic in sept. (edited)

Shit I forgot to get paper at Costco

Hi @pearce can u fix my posting ability in chairs please

Bump for @pearce

done

Thank you

1:17 AM

Old faithful has returned...

lol

10:20 AM

they have a few like that

Climate change

shiny!

6:43 PM

aaaaaand they're gone...

Ah the old Harbor Fraught

They steal just as well as

Those step drills are probably already gone

Reminds me... @pearce, remember our discussion about foam brushes? I was at Dollar Tree and they have these packages of multiple sizes for a buck. Seems like a winner to me for the maker-crap canteen. They have a website allowing bulk purchases.

Nice

Freddy is going to be heading up the storage meeting and tagging since I have a wedding to be at today

I'm running just a few behind, ill be there shortly

I've run into something that will delay me by at least 2 hours. I apologize to all.

Ryobi ONE+ DEVOUR 18-Volt Cordless Debris Sweeper, Transparent 4.5 Gal Tub Capacity with LED Headlights, Rear Wheel Height Adjustment, 21" Wide Cleaning Swath (TOOL ONLY) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BH1VB1Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_YTeWDb23YG41T

10:02 AM

@pearce what do you think looks like could help clean up the shop and runs on the Ryobi platform

10:03 AM

It might clean up wood shop as well

10:05 AM

https://youtu.be/rAtxmTHv3ao this guy did a ton of wood dust and it works alright for small wood dust but great for things larger than shavings

WorkshopAddict

Ryobi One+ 18-Volt Devour Debris Sweeper Review | Model # P3260

I feel like people still won't use it though. They can't use a broom

11:40 AM

The Ryobi shop vacs are actually pretty good, we have some in our shop at PolyPrinter

I have 3 different ryobi vacuum models, the "stick" one is good to have for classroom spills of dry goods. The portable 2 gallon wet dry is great for portable vacuum of a non hazardous spill anywhere. The 6 gallon is meh. Sure it's big, but it doesnt pull harder than the smaller ones.

only big upside for the 6 gallon one for me was the inclusion of a 9Ah battery (edited)

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And it’s not like our floors are unimpeded by obstacles. Just sweeping the floor in laser is a chore with a gazillion cables running everywhere. Wood shop sweeping is no easier.

Y'all are forgetting the CNT factor. That alone makes it worth buying

Nerd.

You say “nerd” like it’s a bad thing

I guess only nerds get the cool new toys

Correct!

Dagnabit, mine came battery less

This argument applies to everything on the shelf though.

Yeah but fuck off with putting busted auto parts on there

7:52 PM

Tagging is done

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7:52 PM

Shout out to @Patrickpleez1 for helping

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Like getting a roombas for a house that you know has a dog with runny dieherria.....you know shit's going to be everywhere

LOL. Presuming everyone's already seen this, but here's what that calls to mind https://www.scarymommy.com/roomba-meets-pile-of-poop-jesse-newton/

Maria Guido

This Is What Happens When A Roomba Meets A Pile Of Dog Poop At 1:30 AM

Roomba meets a pile of dog poop. Dad freaks. Epic story ensues.

12:30 PM

here's the original story, if you can get friendface to phoqueoff long enough for you to read it (or if you're demented enough to be logged in there) https://www.facebook.com/jesse.newton.37/posts/776177951574

Jesse

Jesse Newton

So, last week, something pretty tragic happened in our household. It's taken me until now to wrap my head around it and find the words to describe the horror. It started off simple enough - something...

That happened to me the very first day I got a robot vacuum. I was almost even expecting it because I'd been warned, but I leave my dog unattended for all of five minutes and the smell hits. The carpet wasn't even the issue, it gets everywhere inside the vacuum and there are a lot of brushes and crannies and wheel wells to clean out.

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Tomorrow (Sunday) is more logistics work day stuff, could use a few helping hands to clear out purgatory, move new offenders in, clear freebie shelf, clear lost and found shelf, clean up tool walls etc

7:12 PM

We start at 2pm

Trashing more stuff

Makes me cry a little bit, but good job! And thank you!

yeah

Was there metal on the bag of clay? Inquiring minds want to know.

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it was nearby

1

2:13 PM

From the porter

Scott Bright sponges?

Scotch bright?

Are we discriminating against Irish sponges? /joke

https://arcotmanufacturing.com/product/fcc-84/ This stuff?

admin

FCC-84

2:19 PM

We've never had it, I'm wondering what she's trying to clean

all I can envision is a RainBow Brite, bottle of Jonnie walker in the each hand...

Are we still stocking cups?

lol

3:07 PM

i don't believe so

No but other individual members who wanted cups available have frequently donated bags of cups

I used to donate about 400-500 at a time. I let my Sam's membership lapse and I haven't bothered with Costco yet since I haven't needed to stock up on anything

10:58 AM

Unapproved personal storage?

10:59 AM

@pearce say the word and Scott and I will pitch it.

Maybe move to purgatory?

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That's an idea

I believe that's just old

12:14 PM

I'd say trash it

12:20 PM

Any reason we couldn't push the rack against that wall?

Well yeah there's this weird half round wooden thing in the way.

12:22 PM

It's clearly visible in the picture

Yeah it's been stored there forever

12:24 PM

The dumpster gods need a sacrifice

Oh, gotta make sure woodshop can still reach their clamps

12:25 PM

That might be why it's there

12:26 PM

If so, it could be filled with cabinets instead of just being empty

It's just going to collect people's shit again

Not if they were locked committee cabinets

12:30 PM

Too bad there isn't a nearby committee with lots of cabinets and very little space to keep them...

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2:48 PM

Ladies room across from Pillar of Solitude. Cintas cover won't lock in place. Is there a key? Or is it broken?

Sounds broken. Generically for that kind of device, there's no key. It just turns the cam thingy that spreads those 2 ears on the latch so they pop off the post in the center. Then they're usually spring-loaded to re-close and you can just swing it shut and they lock in place...

its likely broken

3:06 PM

people have forced them open

@Brsims @pearce @yashsedai which of you manages the contract?

(They all start whistling and looking anywhere else, then declare they hear their mother calling. )

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@Robert

6:10 PM

is the contact person

Which contract

6:22 PM

I don’t do anything with Cintas sanitation just fire and medical

6:22 PM

Honestly would fire them if I could

sorry

6:26 PM

i was thinking cleaners

6:26 PM

i can contact Cintas

Switching channels

FYI porter will not be in today till 1:30

And she's off tomorrow

[insert inspiring and motivational text about coming up to help with storage extension meeting at 2pm today]

Had to turn around and go back to the house. Will be a bit late

Does anyone know if it's possible to export the list of current emails being used from the storage kiosk?

3:53 PM

@yashsedai @AGr

I can check

@Roomatologist manually typed in the emails this time but it would be nice to be able to pull them

ive got them

Fairly sure I can pull them, I looked at the source a while back

it would be a nice stop gap to be able to pull them. instead of calling all 57 expired tags today we emailed

10:52 PM

dani typed them in from the paper tags. it was still faster than calling, but a pain to do manually

I feel your pain. Building the personal storage bin spreadsheet felt the same way... my sympathies to Dani’s fingers.

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We should either add a mode for a non-storage ticket, or make a second kiosk

10:57 AM

these are popular for tag outs, quick automotive parts runs, and other things to ensure that someone leaves notes and their contact information

I'm inclined to say auto should make their own kiosk for it because I cant get people to fill these out or read the whole thing and adding more options to it won't help that

We need it for lost and found etc

2:55 PM

I'll add a board item for 2 more kiosks

no need to add a board item for this

2:56 PM

just place a written request with infra

Can do

9:16 AM

@pearce ditto what @judy Kriehn said. You've posted before about tackeling the common room after wasteland and the Maker fair and other things have passed. I will make time in my schedule (barring travel) if you've got a date in mind.

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Anyone know if there is carpet cleaner that can go in the steam cleaner going to have the cleaners start shampooing

1

How about next Saturday the 14th

9:29 AM

I won't be in town so I don't have to listen to the screaming

I'm free on the 14th.

How about Sunday, first and second Sundays are logistics work days anyways and I usually have the rest of the space on the to do list, but it's just been me and Dani for the past few

I'm good for this sunday

If before 2, I can help. Hosting quiltpocalypse from 2-5.

We could get started early. 2 is moving items. Need to clean off freebie shelf as well

i'm down for halping on sunday

I'll help

What time we thinking?

7:23 PM

I can bring donuts

I was thinking 10am

We might be later since we have to do the storage at 2 but you guys can start on the kitchen and common room at 10

So stick all the computers on the tables by the finance office, put all the personal stuff in lost and found

I think I can be there as well to help

7:54 PM

Gotta double check to be sure

I'll be there at 10am. Might bring the teenager who lives in my house.

yup, I'll be there for sure

Is there anything we can do about the broken tiles in the Galley? If the pieces are present we can match it.

3:13 AM

If we had another wide runner we could hide it while we match the tile.

3:14 AM

Preferably the black, industrial type that’s already provided in the kitchen.

I'll make hot ham & cheese on croissants. A dozen?

I'll try to turn out now that I've recovered from my chronic logistics allergies

9:16 AM

Alright guys we need this!

@pearce no paper towels. Am headed to Sam's club. Want me to buy some? How many rolls? (edited)

Buy a pack and I get more tomorrow on the way in

4:07 PM

You mean rolls right? There should be tons of trifold

Is there a reason we shouldn't switch to the trifolds over the rolls? We go through so many of the rolls

Are they meant for the Cintas dispensers?

No those are hard wound

4:40 PM

Trifold is what are pre installed in the bathroom walls and in various places around the space like the auto shelf next to the lasers

4:47 PM

Two big boxes.

yeah those hold something like 4-6k paper towels compared to the rolls

Gotcha. I'll skip picking up paper towels. Let's go with those trifolds

4:51 PM

Shelf space is tight in that closet

ill get some rolls tomorrow and then we can try to get more dispensers put back up if i can get those too

Understood.

4:54 PM

See you tomorrow

@yashsedai : what’s the story on those two drawer/filing units that have been sitting next to the copier since August? Are they an unsolicited donation?

I’d like to make them either disappear tomorrow during cleanup. Failing that, place a board across the top so maybe they could be (almost) useful.

This stuff has been moved to the warehouse. And it’s a donation with no home? The cat 6 has been relocated to the server room in 104. The red thong for board games and the projector occupying a table in the common room will be relocated shortly.

Who the hell donated it without someone to take it

Some guys came for a tour and dropped it off without asking (edited)

9:30 PM

Unfortunately, people dont always get through on the phone and they think they are doing good by giving us crap

Other times, we win an ultrasonic plastic welder

They contacted us before donating

My point is people give in hopes that it is useful

9:33 PM

Not that they drive past dumpsters to bring things to us

I talked with the guy but did not know that was his until after he left. He will likely become a member asbhe was very impressed with DMS.

I will not be able to make it in this morning to help as something came up. I apologize for the late notice.

Running 15m late. Wrapping up the ham croissants!

9:46 AM

Can anyone who gets to the space first let me know of the closet is low on anything else? I'll be at Costco in a few minutes

9:50 AM

9:51 AM

Pics I took yesterday. Don't know if you can tell if something is low from looking at them.

Hard to tell

9:55 AM

Maybe organizing that closet should be on our list today too

Just one box remaining of the big black trash bags. None are the contractor variety.

10:10 AM

Plenty of kitchen size bags

10:12 AM

Just one full box of the multi fold paper towels. Box on floor only has three bunches left.

10:13 AM

Does Conrad provide the contras towel rolls? Only five rolls remaining there

10:14 AM

I thought we had disposed of old batteries? Three containers with leaky ones.

10:15 AM

Not Conrad. Cintas. Damn autocorrect...

10:16 AM

Batteries + Bulbs takes batteries for recycling.

10:16 AM

Contras=Cintas too. Eye roll.

That's where they got disposed to I guess

10:26 AM

They just hid them from the fire marshal

If you are still at Costco and they have cheap business-size envelopes...

I actually had those in the cart already for you

11:15 AM

Before and after test of magic erasers, still needs to be resealed though

If it needs to be resealed should we just sand it down?

Yeah, probably

11:29 AM

Suggestions on sanding? I don't know wood

11:29 AM

Not brand new, but still a lot better

If the festools are in use, I think we have a rotex. 120 grit on their most aggressive setting should take everything off pretty easy. The dust collection should be really good about preventing the room from being coated when it's done too

Who's this belong to?

Patrick uses an escooter, I don't know of that is his

1:36 PM

Cable management is happening.

Ohhhh shit that's why everyone's posting about the common room. I suggest a time then got totally distracted by the other weekend project... whoops.

Michael, you ignorant slut...

3:35 PM

Clean up several areas and removed the bin cave

Thumbs up!!! Wasn’t expecting the cave rearrangement to take place so soon, but cool!

@judy Kriehn sorry but I didn't put them up in order

No problem. I’ll sort them out tomorrow.

4:54 PM

Did they all fit into the remaining space by electronics?

Still needed the small shelf

6:17 PM

Could build more of them

Thanks everyone, I think we've dramatically improved the usability of the room

On the tables the original design was to use a fly cutter bit on the Cnc router to remove the top 1-2mm and then reseal

that would be cool

They'd have to be done one at a time to reduce down time

Would someone explain to this Logistics neophyte what traditionally happens on Logistics First Sunday and Logistics Second Sunday workdays?

11:07 AM

I know it's good, much needed stuff involving project storage, but I'm sketchy on details.

First Sunday is tagging and notifying people their storage has expired

11:16 AM

Second Sunday is moving the expired stuff (if it's still there) to purgatory, tossing the stuff from previous months and clearing out the exchange shelf if it's overflowing.

@pearce I'm looking at Luke Strickland's old Project Storage workday events on the calendar. He booked them for 2 hr blocks. If you say OK, I'll create events for 1st and 2nd Sundays until May from 2-4p.

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11:22 AM

Get you some visibility

11:25 AM

Also, the announcement about the Common Room clean up has generated attention. Nicole is very interested in participating in the next Room Beautification. Which will be the Lobby on 1st Sunday in January. You ok with me making a calendar event for 1st Sunday starting at 10am for that?

Go for it I meant to get them up

12:18 PM

On both requests

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12:19 PM

Although they usually end up going past 4pm

I'm going to add bring $5 and throw in for a pizza run.

I'm updating the Logisitics wiki to reflect the new regular date.

12:36 PM

Oops. Nevermind. I don't have permission.

12:36 PM

https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Logistics#Project_Storage

Category:Logistics

Hmm. I'll look into that when I get done with work (edited)

Wait...you're going to suggest buying your own pizza? Where's Draco (and some others) to champion "free" pizza for all?!?

1:14 PM

(in case it doesn't come across, and I'm sorry I don't know the emoji for this, but that is D R I P P I N G with sarcasm...)

Oh it came across just fine

Battery recycling info: I was turning in some no longer needed rechargeable stuff at Batteries+Bulbs just now. Manager said that they will recycle nicad, recycleable etc, but alkaline can go to dump. So.. I’m thinking pull on a pair of rubber gloves, go through the three contains in janitor closet and sort accordingly.

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Not sure if I locked down the group pages or not because of the Board-defined charters

9:47 PM

If I did, tag me, message me on Talk, or email me and I'll see what I can do to open that bottleneck

We need approximately 3 more of these short bin shelves

Why do we need more? I was kinda thinking it would be good to move this small rack to where the copier used to be, for the people like me who spend most of their time in or near CA or in the woodshop. (edited)

splitting them up makes them hard to keep cameras on

Well, with help from JeffcWhitcomb, I transformed the solo set to The Purgatory Annex (bins of no-longer-current members) and attempted to get the others sorted out. And soon came to conclusion that was an impossible undertaking. So just focused on putting bins belonging to known-to-be-tall people up high(er), bins belonging to known-to-be-shorter people low(er) and overweight bins near or at the bottom.

come across some dude with this logo on their bin, feel free to put it at the top -

I put yours at the top. But didn’t notice this logo

dark green. on the side opposite the statutory label.

Wayne and I are taller, but like to be snuggle close.

You guys are closer now.

Thanks! (We are still in Mt Vernon lighting the flying Jesus show)

Awesome thanks

hackathon is also working on rewriting the kiosk software to send an email before the tagging date with the list of storage tags that have been printed

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3:06 PM

Logistics is set through April - up until Board elections.

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4:12 PM

Is that our unit in the common room?

yes

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11:31 PM

Saw this deal today Ryobi wet/dry vacs I wonder if it would assist in cleaning up

those are actually pretty good

Metal shop seems to like their Milwaukee box, might be cool to have some for the main shop

I own that one, it's good for a variety of spill but don't bother with the 6 gallon one, it's not any stronger

How's it on filters?

has more of the hand scrub been ordered?

@pearce

Negative

Well we've been hard out of any hand scrub for a while now it seems

I'll grab some

:+1:

7:51 PM

Shouldn’t whatever the heck this is have a storage ticket??

Yeah, but, if they put a ticket on it we might know who to blame for improper storage.

Its Tom

Damn I guess the Sherlock impressions will have to wait.

It is next to the project he's been working on for a while

He’s been working on a craftsman tool chest? Or a filing cabinet?

Sorry, I should admit I was just being snarky. I don't mean to start a witch hunt or anything, I don't really use that side of the shop so it doesn't bother me.

Something round

8:16 PM

It's what the board is laying against

8:17 PM

@michaelb thank you Michael

8:18 PM

Too often things are misinterpreted and that negative energy hurts the community.

The round thing is what I was referring to. The stuff leaning against it is for the round things, I assumed. But no ticket that I can find.

Members abusing open access to areas and monopolizing limited resources for themselves also hurts the community

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Seems like a lot of work to risk disposal if an owner is not discernible and he/she hasn’t obtained appropriate permissions to store. (edited)

@AGr so does your screen name Brandon

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his screen name hurts the community?

Been abusing storage and the space so it should get a warning and then go.

It really doesn't look like there's much here to be misinterpreted. Things are being stored in a location where they shouldn't be.

hmm, seems I can't set my nickname on the server to FixerOfBrokenInfraBlamesFreddyForEverything because it's too long

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It doesn't bother me, but it could very easily bother other people who do use that area of the space and don't appreciate it. If it bothers them, they should fix it.

Maybe if people didn’t leave random unlabeled trash around there would be no need to fill dumpsters. It’s sad that people are so slovenly that it’s become a thing.

lol

@yashsedai agreed

I'm not agreeing it hurts the community

8:39 PM

Why do you think this?

So what is your take on Brandon's name?

That he fills dumpsters with crap that people leave behind inappropriately

I mean, the space just attracts people that have an unnatural addiction to collecting junk (I say that surrounded by tubs of motors and electronics). It's no surprise the space mirrors that. Eventually we'll realize that motorsports doesn't need 5 intake manifolds and woodshop doesn't need salsa jars full of unsorted screws.

He could have gone with builder of tables, builder of storage

So you think because his view is different than yours its hurtful?

Positive things that @AGr certainly constructively contributed

8:41 PM

But throwing things away is always a loss

What would you say if I asserted that your viewpoint is intolerant and hurtful to the community because it is negative?

And that's what Brandon is tagging

How is that any different?

Throwing things away gets us a cleaner space, where we don't have to waste time looking for things, or using a non-ideal part because 'well we have this, we should make it work instead of buying the ideal one'. All of those are wins to me.

@john a gorman I ask this sincerely.

But throwing things away is always a loss

This isn't correct, there are plenty of things that are actual trash and the space gains from not having. For instance, it would not be a gain to take a trash can and dump it on a table.

@yashsedai if you mean you ask " What would you say if I asserted that your viewpoint is intolerant and hurtful to the community because it is negative?", then I respond it is beyond my ken. Ask a professional counselor.

getting rid of an unlabeled container of acid is not a loss

@aceat64 throwing it on the ground and causing a hazmat situation is

So would it be possible that your viewpoint of community could be different than others and therefore possibly not the only right answer?

lol are you trying to blame the person who stumbled upon a dangerous and hazardous situation

8:50 PM

AND NOT THE PERSON WHO CREATED THE SITUTATION

I would likely suspect that it could have to do with your upbringing as well?

@john a gorman seriously, reword your sentence because I really hope you just misspoke

8:56 PM

I feel compelled to defend Brandon’s screen name, since you seem to have forgotten exactly when/why he made that choice. We had MULTIPLE storage units that were mostly full of crap. Brandon invested many, many hours cutting apart stuff like a trebuchet (that he helped build in the first place) so it could fit into a plain old pickup truck to be schlepped back to DMS and dumpstered. This was the time frame when he adopted the dumpster filler label. It was what he did. Because few others were willing to spend time outside in the heat doing so. (edited)

John just wants to be negative towards people doing hard, unrewarding work that keeps the space running

I gotta speak up for Brandon here to (and for those that have seen my metal threads regarding expansion, I'm not exactly in favor of a lot of his stuff)

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I remember that, @judy Kriehn. Brandon did yeoman's work that saved DMS hundreds of dollars per month in storage fees. Logistics is a lynchpin that holds the Space together and keeps us functioning, often by enforcing rules so our resources (like storage space and common space) are available fairly to as many members as possible. Enforcement, especially without the buffer of arm's length relationships, is a thankless, high conflict duty. So in a situation between Logistics and a member over storage violations, I've got to support Logistics. The violator initiated the conflict by not honoring the system meant to keep things fair.

Saved on the order of $700 month!

We made logistics days a lot easier by getting rid of the storage units

This seems silly. "Filler of Dumpsters" is just a screen name. I can see how it could be interpreted as an eagerness to throw out peoples work. (edited)

@john a gorman But throwing things away is always a loss That's an absolute and absolutes have a tendency to fail when tested against reality. Speaking as a former Logistics Chair, I can say that the organization benefits when turnover is swift. Given the propensity of a fraction of the membership to put far more energy into acquisition of materials than completion of projects, this further compounds the problem - especially when it's being stored in the organization's extremely finite space. Thus, from an organizational perspective, it is indeed better to throw away some materials. There's also the nature of many of the materials being squirrelled away. While I can appreciate reclaiming material to go into high-value projects, much of it will just go into collages and the like - symbolically saving it from the landfill but doing nothing about the need to produce another thing. Honestly, a lot of the trash that goes onto the free shelf would be better transported to the likes of Scrap Denton where they have orders of magnitude more volume and variety than DMS for art projects.

3:57 PM

honestly, the period between the 2017-2018 board giving into the hoarders and declining to appoint Brandon and ~May 2019 was one of the workshop rapidly becoming useless so that a select few could camp out for indeterminate periods while everyone else couldn't find a place to work and forget about project storage (edited)

4:01 PM

meanwhile, the reality of Logistics, as evidenced by my logo from ~2016: https://dallasmakerspace.org/w/images/thumb/c/cc/DMS_Logistics_III_HUGE_crop.png/616px-DMS_Logistics_III_HUGE_crop.png

4:01 PM

were I cleverer, the arrow between the dumpster and DMS would have been a ghost outline since that part of the process is hazier

Extremely finite space? Someone told me that Dallas Makerspace was the largest space in this part of the world. I know some other spaces have areas to rent. Is that an option?

there's a few issues with renting space as a 501c3

4:27 PM

first, we have to pay taxes on the income (unlike dues and donations)

4:28 PM

second, we have to have someone manage it, which can be hard to do consistently with volunteers

4:28 PM

third, we can better use that space with tooling

price-wise we'd need to be decently over $1/sqft (which is market rate for just storage)

4:37 PM

which puts it decently outside of the range most anyone wants to pay anyway

4:37 PM

likely ~$3/sqft/mo

I suppose someone could just rent something from these people that run Acme Creation Lab. http://acmestudios.co/

Manuel

Home

if storage is needed there are plenty of dedicated facilities nearby

4:43 PM

at ~2000 members even if we had a large amount of floorspace dedicated for renting, it would only service a small percentage

I might be interested soon in office space for a small business adjacent to some of the tools that I will be using.

there was a member who was sub-leasing office space nearby for a while, but I think his company moved

work space is more valuable than storage, but storage is all but a necessity. thus, high-turnover storage is more valuable than low-turnover storage.

5:03 PM

we have a lot of square footage, but the overwhelming majority of it is needed as work space (edited)

A work space that you do not have to be constantly moving that is also near the tools you use is also valuable, hence why I am looking to rent somewhere. (edited)

there indeed is a conflict between the macro interests of the organization and the micro interests of individual members

you don't have to constantly move though, unless you mean between days/sessions, but that's always going to be the case in a shared workshop

5:30 PM

usually when I'm working on something I spend the better part of a day working off one table, then pack it up when it's time to head home

5:30 PM

during big stuff the short term storage is great, we used it for wasteland prep

5:31 PM

build stuff for all day, store on the shelf, 2 weeks later we're done

when I was Chair, I considered <90% utilization of storage to be the goal - a number that coincided with just enough availability that nearly all members could find a storage slot

yeah, I think the current balance is working pretty good, there's high utilization of storage, but always seems to be at least a few spaces open

5:36 PM

previously it was always full with super long term projects

yeah, mid 2017 - mid 2019 was awful for housekeeping

The projects I typically work on can last months and I have no desire to attempt to pack up everything, every day especially when I am in the middle of something and need to leave. And I do understand the needs of the space being a shared workshop and being mainly for quick turn around projects. I'm trying to find a way to have make my cake and eat it as well haha

5:37 PM

But as I said I do not mind spending some amount of money.

sounds like you need dedicated workspace

Very much so.

yeah, shared workshop just won't work for that kind of project

I built a shed in my back yard in 2018 and lost immense amounts of time cleaning up the worksite at the end of each workday so that my neighbor wouldn't piss and moan too much

sucks, but it is what is

5:41 PM

I've got a friend who just built a large workshop in his backyard and I'm very jealous

I wish I'd been able to build larger, but permits add cost and complexity

of course he lives a good way outside the metroplex, so land is cheaper

folks live on >5 acres in the countryside - backyard gun range is a reality

that would be nice, land, workshop, high speed internet

5:43 PM

that last part is the hard part though

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funny that. gigabit fiber is on the way.

5:44 PM

state-bankrolled initiative

Day Porter is sick today

!members

There are currently 1976 members.

6:11 PM

Does logistics need another trash can?

6:11 PM

We got metal ones to replace it since we kept putting holes in them

Sure

@pearce where do you want it?

anywhere where you cant see a trashcan

Do we need any extra vices on tables?

11:27 AM

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11:34 AM

Any chance I can get a pi nerd to pull the list of current users from the storage pi? @aceat64 @yashsedai

I'm dumb and forgot important things at home, will be at the space shortly for lobby cleaning

Yeah I can do it

Who wants to come hang some stuff on the walls ?

On my way for the workday. Will do whatever you tell me to.

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2:36 PM

metal has extra 2" square tube we're planning to use for vises. Basically you use cheap receiver style mounts underneath the edge of tables, and you can install/pin in a vise and move it around

6:50 PM

Wilton actually makes some already like that, though we can build them too

I think we missed the window on that sale so probably won't get them

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@pearce Just sent in an email to logistics requesting some temp floorspace for a TPF related project

11:44 PM

I can do some of the work in VECTOR, but once it's built out to the point of testing and adjustment it won't fit in there at all. Details in the email.

Someone here to get stuff from purgatory. How does that happen.

5:23 PM

@pearce

5:23 PM

@logistics chair

They need to email me

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5:36 PM

Logistics@dallasmakerspace.org

5:36 PM

Sorry I was fixing a toilet

was a shitty situation?

Thankfully no. Just the float system

On our way.

Going to be a little late, we are picking up more boxes from home Depot

When do things happen today?

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12:45 PM

Clearing the closet and then filling it back up

On the way, but will be late

Same

ETA 10 mins

2:28 PM

No car parts, and just above it... A spoiler

@michaelb is this your jacket on the table we used for logistics day?

Yup got it

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Heading out for label-palooza

We are here

Be there in about 30.

Just an FYI, Alex is taking stuff home today from project storage and there are two boxes in his spot that are not his that we'll obviously be leaving. But they've been there for at least a few days. Label says Alper Gelogullari.

5:32 PM

Got it

6:52 PM

Thanks

I could use some volunteers to put up some pallet racks while we do storage today. In the long run it will help clear out the clusterfuck that is vertical storage

I'll be there around 3 if you want the help

Sounds good

Something's wrong here...

Reading is for chumps

They just read the line that says "chemicals, paints, thinners" and assumed that's where paint goes

Got some racks up to elevate some of the 102 committee storage

4:41 PM

And had to move a bunch stuff to purgatory since everyone decided to retag

4:43 PM

IMHO, we do need a bigger sign or more concise language. That thing is dense so no one will read it

We need to make the flats for the pallet racks, the silver trays don't fit them, but once we do we can clean up some of the storage in 102

5:22 PM

Rewriting it for lazy people is on my list, but not high priority.

5:23 PM

The verbage in the email that got sent to offenders is very direct and tells people they can't just retag the items.

I'm referring to the freebie shelf sign

6:23 PM

the storage rules are all over and pretty clear

Does anyone here want to be added to the logistics emails and @team_logistics tag on talk? You would be helping field questions about why people's stuff got off sited (because they can't read) If so please send me a PM telling me you understand the storage rules and I'll get you setup

but i dont understand storage rules

Yer fired

i still need to be added to @team_science. Though on my less busy work days if its just answering emails I can do that, so long as i dont have to download anything on my work computer.

hm, did I remove myself from that list or did it just happen in the murky period before May of 2019?

I don’t feel my response of “because you’re dumb and either ignorantly or willfully disobeyed really basic rules” would be welcome on team logistics.

but it would be truthful!

4:24 PM

this group doesn't like truth though @Draco

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lol what for?

Yeah I'm not sure what use we would get out of them

I would've thrown one behind the laser yesterday when it started leaking. Doesn't happen all that often though

Hey guys. We have someone with highly toxic solvent based inks and cleaners setting up in the Printmaking area to do some screen printing. I've taped off the offending supplies and labeled them as such, but we don't know who they belong to.

There was a kid printing around 11:30 am today. Don't know who it was but that's their stuff

8:31 PM

May be able to look at the video and check badges around that time

Yeah it's on my list when I get back to my workstation and pull up the full camera interface. Johnny blujacket was around that morning and might know who they are

Thanks, appreciated.

10:04 PM

Labels actually say "Harmful to aquatic life with long lasting effects" as the first line. We definitely do not want people using this stuff here, let alone trying to wash it down the sink during cleanup. (edited)

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1:53 AM

I'd like to see something like this at DMS. Not just to make finding the gear easier, but instructional signage on use and the key drop on the bottom. We could put a lock accessible to the DnO on the key drop, so when a member locks something the key can be dropped and later pulled for when a committee does repairs / services the equipment.

toss a proposal up on the meeting, doesnt seem unreasonable

when's the next logistics one?

11:03 AM

I don't got all the meeting dates memorised

possibly dumb question: is there now screen-printing ink that isn't highly toxic?

12:32 PM

Fiance's family owns a print shop, got the tour years ago -- things may have changed since then

12:32 PM

usedtabe that stuff was just highly toxic, period.

Yeah, they have developed soy-based inks and water-based inks that are considered green. Not that I’d wanna lick the can, or anything, but... Astrud and Paul are pretty adamant about not using toxic inks.

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Sweet! That's pretty cool. Performance issues are pretty manageable, I'd imagine?

2:52 PM

Soy is a particularly good idea for that.

I mean board meeting

3:26 PM

Because they control spending of logistics funds

true

Sweet! That's pretty cool. Performance issues are pretty manageable, I'd imagine?

@slinkygn (George)

6:30 PM

Well, that would be subjective I think. When I participated in the Steamroller Printing event in Deep Ellum last year, the organizer had water-based ink donated by Speedball. It was nice to work with, but when you are inking a block that is 30” x 48”, and the temps are in the 90’s in the shade, getting a good black is tough due to the ink drying.

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A tshirt is 10% of that size... so either have alot more friends help at the same time, or do it NOT in summer sun

Exactly. Mileage may vary, based on working conditions. Silk-screening on the multi-head press in an air-conditioned space is pretty much easy street.

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Hey I don't know if we just moved stuff somewhere else, but I can't find any paper towels in the supply closet. Just fyi

Beth posted on TALK this same thing. Brad responded that there were two rolls in the closet, but asked if we were also out of z-fold. Are we out of both?

All I found was a half stack of square napkins. No rolls, cintas bemeoths, or z folds. I'm notoriously bad at spotting things but I think we're well and truly out.

I want to make a universal storage "form" for the space. What are some of the various reason someone would need to temporarily store something at the space outside of a storage shelf? Drying/curing Glue up with DMS clamps Left for parts/food

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Running back and forth between different committee areas? I’ve observed people going back and forth between Woodshop and CA. Max has commented on printing a prototype, then casting in resin.

I don't think trips around the space merit a tag on the items

Can't be bothered to move it? Should just put a box for that and see who checks it off.

Do we have paper towels? Need some to clean up Donner

check the supply closet. If all else fails shop towels in the machine shop on the side of the black toolchest

Supply closet was empty but there was one roll in the hot water heater room so I grabbed that. Thanks.

Are there still 4'*4' sheets of plywood sitting around from the work table construction?

1:14 PM

If so would like to grab a few to build the streaming cart instead of buying new sheets

@pearce I recall there being a number of full sheets too. Additionally @Hardsuit if you get with me we can lay out some hemmed sheet metal corners as well to make the edges smoother and more resilient for as it inevitably runs into doors

@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I'll hit you up once I have the design locked down a bit.

1:33 PM

It should be pretty smooth and tight to begin with, I'll be using routed lock miter joints on the long plywood corner edges plus a small round over after it's glued up and dried.

1:34 PM

Not gonna just do butt joints with Kregg screws.

I think they may have been used. I'll have to look when I get in

Man when did Costco switch back to 1 pack of paper towels and toilet paper per person

It goes back and forth depending on demand

5:56 PM

Supply chains are still screwed up

It's really annoying

weird, I haven't seen any shortages for a good while now

Yeah

every time I've gone to Kroger for the last like 3 months they've had stock

5:57 PM

although they don't seem to sell the BIG packages of toilet paper anymore

I just heard about spotty ones happening. Just weirdness with different areas of raw materials

one of the somewhat unavoidable consequences of just in time inventory management

5:57 PM

there's virtually no buffers

5:58 PM

highly efficient but much less redundancy/resiliency

@pearce Thanks, appreciate you checking on that.

There are 3-4 full sheets of 1/2" birch ply in vertical storage, and almost a dozen in a stack under the big pallet shelving in the new auto area in the North warehouse. Are any of those available? New 2 sheets max, probably more like 1-1/2 sheets

Post pics to verify, but should be good with the sheets on pallets. Vertical is likely woodshops for multicam

Over in vertical Some is actually logistics but some is woodshop. I recall it was moved to save some of the floorspace next door

5:08 PM

The greenish veneer stuff is woodshop a for sure, and IIRC when it was put there a slot or two of gap was left to separate all the woodshop stuff from logistics stuff

Right

9:03 PM

12 sheets of 1/2" Baltic birch ply in the stack here in the North warehouse area

Go for it

Cool, thanks

Gonna be ok to store stuff for a day or so in vertical storage as I do the assembly?

there is fine

Do we Still have a Storage unit for the lost and found items not at DMS?

the lost and found shelf is located in the common room

And no, we have no storage units offsite anymore. They were all vacated about a year ago.

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6:54 AM

do we need more batteries?

always, someone should put on next agenda https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors_Meeting_20210303

Board of Directors Meeting 20210303

Everyone's got ideas. But no one has commitment. https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/petition-to-reopen-project-storage-please/79990

my read as a former logistics chair - the present system only works with unreasonable amounts of labor on the part of too few volunteers and this situation will always endure so long as storage is 'free' to users. use of storage has to 'cost' something and the labor for dealing with those who violate rules needs to be reduced. I'm personally all for punishing flagrant violations of the rules with summarily tossing stuff, loss of storage privileges, suspensions.

I agree there should be a cost, taking money for storage might get sticky once we have to throw away their $200 burl wood. So as you suggest a 'token' is probably better pathway. Wonder if we can get a light system like the parking at Nebraska Furniture Mart. I think we may have enough LEDs in the Orange Classroom. Get on it electronics!

Might be worth considering a hackathon with a local university or something to develop it

10:51 AM

scan at kiosk; kiosk checks if the desired slot is marked available, slot is assigned.

10:53 AM

edge cases to consider:

do we put sensors on slots, honour the time granted even if it's been emptied, or keep with volunteers removing things past time? With volunteers at least it's plainly visible that it's past time.
what happens when someone puts something in and it's unaccounted for? Treat it like we currently treat project storage? Do we provide logistics an interface to manually dock tokens? These are things we account for in the current system manually, but if we want to get value out of it then there should be a process for using this system to the fullest extent with the current process. Otherwise the tokens become meaningless pretty fast

(edited)

there will need to be rules tweaks to draw a perimeter around the limits of automation

11:14 AM

to be blunt, the MF'ers that ignore, flaunt, or conveniently re-interpret the rules should be punished so the norms around storage change

non of the automation ideas cover the manual labor involved in removal and processing, storage, retrieval, and tossing of items that's the biggest time sink

We'll just build a big pallet retrieval type thing in front of the storage shelves, it can pull them when they expire and trebuchet them into the dumpster.

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finally a use for those arms

Ironically we got rid of our trebuchet because of storage

12:18 PM

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Boston Dynamics unveils Stretch, a warehouse robot

12:19 PM

I bet even these robots would get burned out volunteering

no robot company in their right mind would want to test their systems at DMS, because it would be too brutal of a stress test

12:31 PM

"they did WHAT do the arm?!"

pearce

non of the automation ideas cover the manual labor involved in removal and processing, storage, retrieval, and tossing of items that's the biggest time sink

oh of course not; it's just an idea for implementing a soft-cost. The whole "there's a different mentality when something is limited/cost constrained versus free for all"

we're so hard on tools/equipment anything that lasts a year at DMS is basically indestructible for any other environments

the crux of this whole issue is about entitlement

12:33 PM

nobody is entitled to continually abuse the labor force

12:33 PM

DOWN WITH PROJECT STORAGE

12:33 PM

looks for torches and a lynch mob

12:36 PM

down with the bourgeoisie!

12:36 PM

oh wait, wrong issue

It was either Pearce or Erik that suggested a slow conveyor belt straight to the dumpster. I ❤️ Conveyor!

I thought that was Brooks vs. Refrigerator, initially...

pearce

non of the automation ideas cover the manual labor involved in removal and processing, storage, retrieval, and tossing of items that's the biggest time sink

True - idea is to reduce the administrative burden and - eventually - by making storage 'cost' something users stop abandoning crap

2:38 PM

or basically what hon1nbo said yesterday

2:38 PM

change norms and make the shelpping once - to the dumpster

2:39 PM

force the hoarders to move on

2:39 PM

force everyone else to be more productive with the slots they 'rent'

2:42 PM

also - I'm sure there are plenty of ~~disingenuous sacks of sh_t~~ sophists that argue the plain language of storage rules don't mean what they mean or that they qualify for some special snowflake exemption because reasons

I'm special because my great grandma died and I need another extension

2:44 PM

no not that grandma the other one

paternal godmother's sister's daughter's maternal grandmother-in-law

2:45 PM

or you should have used my actual email address that's not on file

2:46 PM

I'm not against reasonable exceptions, but there were ... frequent fliers ... during my time

@A. Spencer(jast) drama had a special place in Brooks' heart, for sure

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we used the emails that they put on the sheet

3:08 PM

fuck em

Wonder if the city would allow a huge bonfire out back?

I used to feel bad about using a storage spot for over a week, silly me...

Small section of paid storage bins, part of the rent is required hours maintaining the freebie area

11:33 PM

You don't put in the hours or don't leave at end of rental period (no extensions), immediate dumpster and ban from any storage use for specified time period?

can't mandate volunteer hours as payment or punishment

eh, could possibly engineer a system where hours could be but one form of payment, but administering such a program is fraught with peril (edited)

right that requires mandatory volunteer hours from the person managing the forced "volunteer"

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/freebie-shelf-proposal-for-2021-6-9-bod-meeting/81407/15 everyone wants the free shelf, but they don't realize the terrible terrible yield on the free shelf nor how much just-barely-not-garbage (read: garbage) that it accumulates

and boy

4:01 PM

Those twitchy OCD types

yeah. them. fuck 'em.

lol

coming from the person who has multiple cars filled to the brim with garbage

aye

4:04 PM

people need to get comfortable with the idea that consumer crap gets landfilled and just because you make a collage out of discarded bits you're not saving the world

4:06 PM

my bucket of random fasteners, sure, if someone wants to spend a couple hours sorting them. but if your time is worth anything at all you're going to figure out that you could just work a job and buy 10-100x as much new in the same amount of time.

Free shelf : the epicenter of DMS slacktivism

ahem member exchange shelf

an active member exchange G2G has been deemed unworkable

by ONE person...

12:03 PM

if you build it, they will come...

12:03 PM

there's some legal principle I can't quite google that's similar to the doctrine of first sale (which relates to copyright) whose TL;DR is that there are normally no conditions you can put on the sale of ordinary physical assets after the sale has been executed

12:06 PM

thus 'shelf aficionados that want to see their cast-offs go to a good home forsake expectation of that outcome when they surrender custody of the item(s) to another party

12:08 PM

but back to the G2G- I'm serious that if someone organizes a day and I'm free I'll put together quite the collection of odds-and-ends that someone might find useful. lots of hardware, misc Tanner's/Fred's stuff, a bucket of assorted fasteners, secondhand tools I don't use.

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I....will NOT be that organizer...

I won't either because I'm not passionate about items that I've effectively discarded ... not being discarded

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Cintas First Aid just called me that they have not been paid I sent them to admin email

Thanks. One day Cintas will get their act together. Today is not that day.

lulz

i thought they were fired?

Supplies was

2:43 PM

We still have Cintas Fire and First Aid

2:43 PM

Completely separate companies, if you'd believe it.

2:43 PM

First Aid has been pretty good, probably something to do with the new payment stuff. @Bizwacky should be able to handle it.

https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Products/RYOBI-1-Piece-Steel-Wall-Mounted-Hanging-Cabinet/p/STH401

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4:39 PM

Kind of a cool product

I agree

5:11 PM

Inspiration for creating similar but bigger

wait - people will pay for CRTs? Clearly we just need to sell the ones that appear on the 'shelf!

I'm surprised it's not "i will give you $25 to dispose of this"

8:24 AM

LMAO "great for gaming"

There's seriously a market now for CRTs but the RGB security monitors and trinitrons. There's a low latency HDMI mod for each old console now or proper emulation so I'm not buying it. Last crt I pulled from the free shelf was awesome for my N64 but it was still a 20lb space waster but another gamer friend took it from me.

5:00 PM

@yashsedai if we need lots of batteries

Nice!

yeah that's a good deal even if it's 2 hour batts

5:01 PM

north flex area could use those since they don't need the super oomph

Is there any info on when the copier/printer in the common room might get it's next service?

1:23 AM

It's basically out of black toner, most of the color units are asking for servicing, and pretty sure it needs a thorough internal cleaning with the loose toner that shows up on print borders

i'll check on it

Been trying to track down a few packages. Did any show up with my name on them?

Not that I know of - got a weird one yesterday addressed to "Steve Steve" though

they would have been small, might been addressed to vintage computer which was a mis-print.

ants by front door

If you have time, there's some diatomaceous earth on top of the cabinet by the ceramics sink. Otherwise I'll sprinkle some tomorrow

can do

Thanks!

invite the ants to volunteer with the expansion

Looks like they're doing pretty well to me

I don't think the city and landlord approved of that construction.

Ants don't have time for bureaucracy

somebody will have a problem with that do-ocracy

I'mma do what board members do - kill the initiative with meddling

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lolololol

10:13 PM

you guys crack me up

the bag and I didn't agree on what "sprinkle" was

11:39 PM

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lol

8:07 AM

Well thank you! Hopefully they like it

I'm still having to hunt down wasps in the north flex area

probably best to get an exterminator out

2:44 PM

likely there's a nest up in the drop ceiling

so I got bored and wrote up an automated system manage project storage

9:22 PM

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/curious-about-infrastructure-at-dms/85429/13?u=andrewlecody

9:22 PM

https://asciinema.org/a/480893

asciicast:480893

Recorded by aceat64

Hello all! I want to build a nice dining room table but won’t be able to complete it in a single weekend, I will be in the space every day working on it and it won’t ever be in a main traffic area, is there a way to get the okay beforehand to leave it overnight for around 2 weeks if I am there every day and my name and phone number are listed next to the project? Thanks for helping me figure it out (it will be basically impossible for me to move all the wood or the table every night as I’m working on the project; or I wouldn’t ask)

currently project storage isn't available, I wrote some software to try and get it automated (one of the big sticking points with the previous system was the amount of volunteer labor needed), but it hasn't been rolled out yet

2:35 PM

so as far as I'm aware there's no storage currently

is there nothing that can be done? im trying to appeal for some kind of acception so I can work on my project, I can keep it in the back out of the way, Im not looking to store it for any length of time and Ill be there working on it every day.

Unfortunately we do not have space for several members to leave big projects out while they are in process. If your were to make an appeal I would approach the board of directors. They are the only ones that have the leeway you seek.

email admin@dallasmakerspace.org to hit up the board about it

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Thank you

good news, the old storage kiosk hardware still works

7:30 PM

I cleaned all the dust off it

Dunno if anyone is monitoring logistics@dms but I sent an inquiry that way. Nothing urgent.

that @Skyspook dude should be getting them... (edited)

A. Spencer(jast)

that @Skyspook dude should be getting them... (edited)

I've added a few more folks to that group today so that more folks are in the loop on those moving forward.

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