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@Bill i added you as @education chair you now have permission to post in the #committee_chairs room as well (edited)

I have a question regarding class fees. Science is planning a 3 part class. We want to charge different fees for members and non-members. Is there a way to do that with the existing calendar system?

@education chair

Bill is opposed to discord. I don't think he's gonna be on here

that's unfortunate

Probably have to use eventbrite

No they were talking about the DMS charging a fee

8:36 PM

Eventbright takes its own cut

Ohhh,

Yeah we used to have it set up where you could charge whatever you want for a class. But the DMS would get 10% etc

No, same fees for everybody. What's wrong with Talk?

Are you thinking of doing a fee based on % of $ taken in class? Or just a flat fee per class regardless of free or paid class?

The web site mentions a discount on some classes for members; that may be what she is proposing.

We want to be able to charge members a discounted rate. So if you are a member you only pay $50 but if you aren't a member you pay more

So @Ashley_Newland you can create a class for members only but in the description have an eventbrite link for non members. It's not ideal but with the current system that is the only way I see it working. There are some gotchas. You won't be able to truely limit people. So if you only have 5 spots and 5 people buy eventbrite and 5 members buy tickets, that's an issue.

1:08 PM

The non members will also see the member price listed in the event but that's not a big deal.

1:11 PM

When this calendar system started finance wanted as little work to go through them so that is why it is the way it is. It's filled with compromise from finance and classroom at the time. I hope that before other items are added to the calendar that they think about how it will effect finance and other volunteers.

Thank you so much for the info. It'll be okay we will figure something out.

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At our Digital Media Committee, several members brought up "Opencast" and question of which committee was working on setting it up or improving it. We agreed that the DM committee will not be focusing on opencast at the moment, so we wanted to pass that message along

Thanks for the update! We have a group of members working on it. Bill Gee, Mark Havens, and Brian Terry seem to be taking the lead on it. :)

We had a no call no show from Saul Portillo-Menchaca working with Eva foam for cosplay. Who can reach out and find what happened

Not sure who that is, when was the class?

He was there and taught the class.

is there a way to create new classes on learn.dallasmakerspace.org or has this changed?

yeah there is a way

4:00 PM

what are you looking to create? Somethign for VCC or another area? we have categories and I can create them as needed.

Hrm, you can't book things same day on the Calendar? I want to book the Purple classroom for an hour to do light replacements

2:30 PM

I guess that makes sense

For future reference, any of the Calendar Admins can book a room on short notice for projects like that. Come find me, I'd be happy to do that and help with the LED replacements.

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Thanks Stan, LED replacements would be very fast if I could just stay on the ladder lol

1:39 PM

Now that I know its not more crazy I want to get 4 people together to come in one weekend and fix most of the shop

1:39 PM

got a little bit more organization before that though

oof...ok, since general chat is swamped... is there a way to link the DMS calendar to my google calendar? It'd be nice to have all the classes up on my phone.

I couldn't find a way when I tried earlier, I forgot to respond sorry :p

No problem.

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/new-calendar-and-honorarium-process/11144/127 for anyone else that is looking.

New Calendar and Honorarium process

1.) This is a feature to draw attention to current classes but people want to be able to see old events. We will work to show old events but keep focus on newer events. 2.) There is the feed https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/feed that you can add to your google calendar as an ical. Google instructions https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37100?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en Add using a link. 3.) This is a wordpress issue but like @TBJK you can access the full ca...

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Thank you Alex!

Where do the honorarium auditors now discuss pending events requesting honorarium?

On the Honorarium Hangout is where I've been seeing sporadic discussion

I'm working on a docker compose setup so you can start working on the calendar in a dev environment in like 3 steps

10:17 AM

So frustrated by setting up ldap lol

how are you setting up ldap?

10:36 AM

Oh and have you tried to setup the dns records (http://www.rjsystems.nl/en/2100-dns-discovery-kerberos.php, http://www.rjsystems.nl/en/2100-dns-discovery-openldap.php)?

8:31 AM

I'm not sure who makes these but this is the room scheduling for MultiCAM using E-ink displays

8:32 AM

It would be cool to hack cheap e-readers like this

Tanner's has a bunch of the e ink screens

https://www.tindie.com/products/electronictrik/high-tech-e-paper-iot-door-sign/

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1:28 PM

The one you show looks a bit bigger though.

we do have several kindle fires that's been configured for the room scheduling kiosks and a few mounts that need redesigning

sorry, got caught up in traffic coming from the store and work. on my way for the class I'm holding. be there in a few minutes

@education chair I'm trying round up every one for the requirements gathering on mm/calendar revamp and we're needing your input. when is a good time on your schedule for a quick 45min meeting?

I will not be able to attend the meeting at 6 today. Is there an agenda? Who all is running for the chair?

There was an agenda. I'll post the minutes. In attendance, Bill G, Cairenne, Robin, Stan, and me. I ran for Chair unopposed and was elected. Bill is Vice-chair.

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OK I payed $120 instead of $25 receipt Glk6 Please don't destroy my self esteem Be gentle guys

Again. You need to email finance@dallasmakerspace.org the discord is unofficial and won't get you anything done with requesting a refund on a receipt mistake

K

@Kevin I copied the bookkeeper too. Bookkeeper@dallasmakerspace.org

Instructor Pool Process v1.0.0 - Abstracted for committee templating

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Meeting Weds night

Hey John, any idea how long after a class is cancelled, that the room is free'd up on the calendar?

Should be immediately

hey question: so if we need a class to qualify for using a specific tool, what's a good way to see when the next class is or request/help with its scheduling?

What the calendar. Since classes are taught by volunteers and they typically won't commit to teaching a class more than 3 weeks out (usually 12 days) they don't appear till 10-14 days out. Nature of the beast. It would be nie if classes in queue were read only for everybody except the auditors.

makes sense. if it's something that we have outside training on something, is there a way we can take a certification test instead of the class?

Daniel, what class are you after?

The automotive lift. I currently work as general service at a Firestone, so I lift cars on a daily basis. I just want to get clearance for it, and learn that specific type of lift

The lift class is only about 20-30 min long, the same as a run thru

10:24 PM

Each committee sets the rules on training and verification. The problem on general certifications, like welding or woodshop, is the time and toll on our volunteers. They need to be compensated for making the trip and setting time aside to teach or verify. No doubt we have talented, skillful new members join. We still have to show, as you said Daniel, the particulars of our set up, maintenance, safety,and rules.

10:24 PM

The easiest way is to funnel everyone thru the classes

10:25 PM

The extra benefit is the skilled folks are better prepared to teach after.

Yep, that all makes perfect sense. I just wanted to ask and see if something was in place, but I can just wait for the next class. I'm going to the next autmotive committee meeting on the 16th I believe, so I can hopefully get plugged into the community then

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Daniel. When you go to the Automotive Committee meeting talk with Tom if you'd like to be a Lift Instructor. It would be greatly appreciated. Classes are pretty much ad hoc when someone would it it and an instructor is available and willing.

Sure, once I've been trained I'd be willing to volunteer

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@Denzuko.sdf.org ... I have created a permanent "development" branch on the GitHub Calendar All, development should be merged into there first. Then once it is has been QAed and ready for production, then merged into master. Master needs to stay pristine. Also, this allows the development branch to be CIed into a different domain for everyone to play with. (edited)

What is the max capacity for the interactive? Any idea?

Like by #of seats we have? Or by fire marshal who says we can't have books on brewing?

@Limey (MReynolds) no idea...

9:38 AM

Today's meeting to review calendar requirements has been cancelled. I'll schedule another meeting soon. @Draco

New person question: how do we go about creating classes/getting registered as an instructor? When I joined, some people wanted me to teach classes

Anyone can teach

How does one go about doing that?

Dallasmakerspace.org/teach

Cool, thanks

@john a gorman Got a potential volunteer instructor that I'd like to introduce to the space. He'll be heading up classes on CompTIA related course and be a regular contact for the VCC Instructor pool. Think you got time to meet with him?

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@here could some fix https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/edit/7850 I put in for this monday and it poped up as November.

@Denzuko.sdf.org are you sure u didn't pick Nov?

damn sure

5:17 PM

and no this is not the only time that date picker has glitched. I have half a mind to be a dick and blow away the current calendar inplace of one written in node js and react.js. or something that's not going to be such a pain

5:18 PM

https://medium.com/@avanthikameenakshi/building-restful-api-with-nodejs-and-mysql-in-10-min-ff740043d4be

Building REST API in the blink of an eye! (MySQL + NodeJS)

What are we going to do?

5:19 PM

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5:20 PM

Now there's a datepicker for you https://elemefe.github.io/mint-ui/#/datetime-picker

5:22 PM

better yet, android supported ui - https://vuematerial.io/components/datepicker

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Found a digital signage thing.

9:56 PM

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9:57 PM

A bit pricy, but has an API for integration into our booking system.

@conic hi. I don't recognize the handle.

This should probably be changed to education committee btw. @nerds

Done

but now it's not in alpha order!

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Can't easily fix that on mobile

no rush, timing was just funny with @merissa comment on infra

Hah! Didn't even notice this one

it was "classroom" until 3:34

Didn't notice that either

Maybe need to work on my observational skills

Woohoo renamed!

threw up a calendar event for the 18th for the election for this committee of which I am a humble member

9:09 PM

and 100% i am NOT running

https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/12074

3:59 AM

I'd vote for ya Doug

4:00 AM

But this place will suck up all your time if you let it

random thought, but how well do we explain to our teachers than they can charge for classes (and keep the proceeds)?

2:10 PM

might be a win-win for many of the more prolific teachers to charge $10-15/student

2:11 PM

paradoxically, charging for classes can often increase the number of students who want to take the class, because of the perception of value (edited)

Do you mean solely through Eventbrite?

yeah, I think the calendar software has that integrated

You pay a fee through Eventbrite and then you would only make $10/15 for an hour and a half- that’s minimum wage.

I think there's a miscommunication here, I'm saying the teacher could charge per student $10-15 (or more if it's a very highly valued class)

Ah.

at $10/student, a class with 6 students nets the teacher more money, regardless of length

We did discuss at the last chair vice chair meeting really needing to address the dated software and possibly request to pay for a new calendar system that could integrate Eventbrite AND meetup to bring in new members. I believe Eventbrite has a pretty big fee per payment

looks like Eventbrite is 3.5% + $1.79 per ticket

2:45 PM

we might be able to negotiate a better rate as a non-profit

I tried it once and wasn’t a fan. Is there anything else out there like it?

probably, the other option is just tying the calendar software into a CC processor, though we'd end up being the middle man for processing the payments to the teacher

2:48 PM

services like Stripe are fairly straightforward to use from an programming standpoint, we'd have to hash out the financial workflow

2:48 PM

their rate is 2.9% + $0.30 per transaction

2:49 PM

(might be lower for non-profits)

2:49 PM

looks like 2.2% for non-profit

2:51 PM

at eventbrite's pricing a $10 gets the teacher $7.86 after fees, at $15 that's $12.68

2:52 PM

so $15/student breakeven with honorarium is at 4 students

2:53 PM

any teacher with classes regularly over 4 students should really think about charging $15/head

2:54 PM

example, a 10 student class that paid $15/student is $126.80 for the teacher

Your assuming the free loving as in free beer students will choose to pay. That's a huge assumption. The takeaway/proj classes where you pay for materials is usually under 10 and they don't fill

I think there's loads of people willing to pay for a class, at the right price point and class qualities

Arguably those classes Arent being taught yet

perception of value is important, there's likely plenty of people who see a free class and don't go, because they think there's a catch

Kirk keeters class would have been bgg ut he backed out

perception of value is a real emotional force that i often feel however, i have been reminding myself lately that if i wouldn't do it if it were free, i probably shouldn't do it

I charge for materials and they fill but then people no show

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such as the ruby on rails course that one guy kept pushing. his friend teaches it, that's great that he tries to support him. but he kept asking after i said no. at that point it's like, really?

funny story, my parents had a bunch of stuff they wanted to get rid of, so they put it out front with a sign that said "Free, please take" it sat there for days, my Dad decided instead to put a sign on it that said "For sale, ring door bell" it was stolen within 2 hours

2:57 PM

(this legit happened)

Lol

lol but that's just it though

2:58 PM

if it's free, it's likely defective in their mind right?

2:58 PM

if you have the audacity to ask for money for something left on the lawn, then they think you know there's still some value in that thing

exactly, it's the same reason Beats puts weights in their headsets

but i mean... you can put any price on knowledge and you would have no idea if it's worth anything based on that (edited)

if it appears cheap, people assume it's because it's bad

2:59 PM

(that's not a great example, Beats are bad)

weights are good though

3:00 PM

they are

3:00 PM

lol

3:00 PM

i like things that are heavy

3:00 PM

i like having a heavy keyboard, and a weighted mouse

people view phones with metal and glass backs as "better" than the plastic ones, but arguably plastic is a better case material, it just looks/feels cheaper

depends on the plastic

3:02 PM

plastic does scuff more and that looks ugly. form is important for some people's images. plastic can also crack. Metal and glass both smudge but they can be cleaned. Metal bends and gets hot but is good otherwise

3:02 PM

but

3:02 PM

i would have to argue that backglass is the best way to go, if you do it the way samsung does it

3:03 PM

iphone backglass is an abomination

3:03 PM

but samsung backglass is functional. It can crack. But you can easily take it off and put a new one on yourself for 15 bucks or less.

3:04 PM

thank you for coming to my ted talk there's merch in the back so...

hmm another option, if we end up handling the processing directly, could be to have the classes free to members, but cost for non-members, but we still pay the teacher the same per head anyway

3:09 PM

it would have to be balanced against various factors though

3:09 PM

general idea would be to encourage non-members to become members, even if just for a class or two

like an a la carte honorarium that non members would subsidize? (edited)

something like that

[back to yesterday's conversation] ah phone construction materials and all the largely-wasted efforts they put into aesthetics

1:23 PM

some huge percentage of the market slaps a case on that phone as soon as they can procure one

1:23 PM

thus all those premium materials never ever get looked at

1:23 PM

but I guess glass backs are good for one thing - the phones tend not to last as long

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1:26 PM

also polycarbonate is one of the better phone materials out there for everything but the screen, which we insist one being left naked while also demanding scratch resistance

back to actual education committee - we held our meeting and election, and John Gorman has the majority of votes, I updated talk and wil lbe updating the wiki

6:29 PM

he is our chairperson elect to be confirmed by the new board

Nancee has agreed to be vice chair in charge of teacher development

8:57 PM

Thank you @doug.emes for helping set up the meeting and run it

-waves pom-poms and cheers-

@MizGeek thank you

You improve anything you touch.

Awesome.

Nice stub on the wiki

edited the wiki to give hotlink to this channel

4:14 PM

and added links to jen and my talk handles etc

4:15 PM

John if you like ill fix yours, Bill's too (or anyone else) if they ask me too

@doug.emes that would be great for me. Not sure if bill checks here. Plus a general link to this channel. But I'm guessing you have already done this

yeah its a perm invite directly to this channel

5:07 PM

no expiration, no limits

The "xyz showed up" notice still shows in general but it'll drop them in this chat

which it should

5:30 PM

thanks for having this resource configuered Pearce

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/help-plz-w-conf-rooms-for-a-large-class/56362/6?u=dougemes

11:13 AM

I replied @john a gorman but something for us to think about

@doug.emes thanks for the heads up

Calendar question (think this is the best place to ask)... I just submitted an event and forgot to select a category. Can it be edited?

Admins can edit. What do you need?

@merissa

Oops, forgot.... If it was the commintee meeting/maint. events, I'll go ahead and fix those

Ooh thank you!

10:16 PM

Yes, I think I forgot it on the laser committee meeting for 6/2

10:17 PM

Laser category should be selected on the maintenance event

Meeting fixed and approved. working maint. event

10:18 PM

Maint. was already good. approved it too

Thanks! I'm about to add our monthly meetings for the next six months or so

10:19 PM

They don't need rush approval or anything though, unless if you just want to as you see them (edited)

I'll check back in a while and approve them too

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It would be cool if the calendar had a preview option before you submit your class/event

Yes it would, can you or Brandon get on the DMS Github and add that feature request?

I'll ask him

10:29 PM

Not sure where to find that myself

https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar/issues

Dallas-Makerspace/calendar

Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/calendar development by creating an account on GitHub.

Ask and ye shall receive

10:31 PM

Thanks guys!

10:34 PM

Ack, and I see now that I can edit after it's ~~approved~~ submitted. I'll do that next time (edited)

Request entered. Thanks @AGr

Cooler if @AGr could code the ask

12:08 AM

Tell him to fork it and send a Pull Request

I'd like to move my class today to what I think is the "North Lobby Classroom" (the room they did the BoD office hours in), it says special permission required, who do I talk to?

11:52 AM

the move was requested by people who apparently think dying of heat stroke is bad

I moved the Wiki class for you to the N Lobby Classroom

thanks

yep disappointed that we did not get to visit with the landlord today. the purple and orange rooms where to be discussed.

New thermostats with remote sensors will help with those rooms. Johnson Controls needs to do a repair on a couple of rtu's

Great class @Andrew LeCody

hmm, education committee isnt showing up under active committees, methinks something broke with the original redirect that was set up a couple weeks ago.

@doug.emes it was when I created the page this week. Let me check the tag

it has the tag

2:14 AM

but its not showing up under the subcategory which shows the active committees

2:14 AM

and let me know what you think of the formatting

That is weird. It was working a couple of days ago

2:19 AM

It does show here, but the tag is correct for active committees

2:19 AM

yeah, theres a couple (i think 7)

2:19 AM

overall that arent pulling up

2:19 AM

in the upper spot

2:20 AM

the other thing, and this can be handled latr, is some committees pull by name some pull as category

2:20 AM

CA is a redirect to the category when you go to Creative_Arts_Committee

2:20 AM

but ours isnt

2:20 AM

dunno which is more "right"

Eduction was showing properly after Education Committee was created and redirect added

theres a chance i goofed it

2:22 AM

lemme copy all my editrs to a notepad

2:22 AM

and we can try a quick revert

2:23 AM

ok i have an offline copy now

2:24 AM

wanna try taking it back to the may 21st one

2:24 AM

?

But the code looks right.

2:25 AM

Sure, let's see if it makes a difference

lets have you roll it real quickl

Wait, me roll it back?

2:26 AM

BTW formatting looks great

for the auidit log

2:27 AM

since your the chair

2:27 AM

try the 11:25, May 21, 2019 revision

That's just clicking on the "undo" link, yes?

yes

2:28 AM

https://dallasmakerspace.org/w/index.php?title=Education&offset=20190521205237&action=history

Index.php?title=Education&offset=20190521205237&action=history

2:28 AM

for the undo link for that date

2:31 AM

Wrong screenshot

2:32 AM

I think undo only does that edit. That one was small. Doesn't restore state of page

ok hold on

2:32 AM

im going hit it with a hammer

Wait, let me undo that

2:33 AM

Let me try one more thing

yes sir

2:33 AM

Hehe

2:33 AM

Try your hammer

ok

2:34 AM

1 sec

2:36 AM

well removing category:education committee got rid of a recursive link list

2:36 AM

but doesnt show the page as a category

2:37 AM

i think probably we may have to engage an admin later

2:37 AM

once were finished cleaning it up

2:37 AM

do you mind haveing the discussion links moved to the top?

2:38 AM

i think its better to lead wit that

All that works for me

im just trying to get us to june to a point where we are current etc

2:41 AM

then start working into the other committees

2:41 AM

on theirs

2:41 AM

let us lead by example

https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Education

Education

3:45 AM

https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Education_Committee_Meeting_20190518

Education Committee Meeting 20190518

3:45 AM

wiki edits done

3:45 AM

gnight 'Murica

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/guide-to-build-a-group/56801

Guide to build a Group

I think we can do a lot to help people build a group of people, such as an Interest Group, Project Group, or even a Committee. I think some people lack confidence or think they will end up doing it all and it will be too much work. They also may not know how to really start...

I'll catch up on that later. I talk to a lot of people about the process.

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I think we also might get into how to market your group and bring the public in.

6:09 PM

... giving tours and getting people to sign the waiver ... also the timer door switch

6:09 PM

It would be nice to be able to hand someone a booklet

@Draco I created such a book for PR for the open house & tour guides. It would be good with a new round of committee chairs to have them review their sections.

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got a digital version I can look over?

It's on the PR committee drive.

The one on the committee drive was a new member handbook also created by Mell as PR chair and others. Mine was committee focused. I'll get a copy.

2:59 PM

I gave these and a third one to Jo. She wants to work on improving them

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@Apparently_Weird got with me about the New Member Handbook and I directed him to the committee drive. I had always meant to follow it up with a Committee Chair Handbook and a Teacher Handbook but seeing as how the New Member one was possibly a failure, I never did the others. If PR wants to give it a shot again the whole thing needs heavy updating bc we did it circa 2016 iirc.

why do you view the new member one as a failure? I thought it was a hit...

Mostly bc it didn't stick without me pushing for it. If truly a success it would've. I'm still super proud of it and the team that created it. And like with anything DMS, I'm good with us moving on and trying something else.

Roger that.

I thought your new member handbook was fantastic. I just didn't have time/energy to print them weekly.

I loved it. I still have mine. It made me more excited about Makerspace when we joined.

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I am working on a new member handbook, a brochure, and other things. JJ probably doesn't know that. as I began the discussions with James before the election (. Well, the new member thing was started in November, but the person who insisted on "helping me" never responded. And I did not feel empowered to move forward. But now, I'm six months older and jaded. So I empowered myself.

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5

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Can I get a HELL YEAH!?

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You go!!

4:46 PM

And 30-year tech writer is happy to help you if you need it.

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Excellent!

Well I didn’t know that but then you let the cat out the bag...

The only question is, how can I support you?

Pm me an email address so I can send you word files to look at text?

If it's collaboration you're after, the G-suite works pretty darned well for file hosting, etc. And if you can use Google Docs, et.al. for your creation, more power to you, because that brings extra-enhancy functionality to the collaboration process such as simultaneous editing, comments, etc. instead of having to ship files all over tarnation via email. But if you're insistent on old-school file sharing, you can use "the committee drive" to accomplish similar tasks, just shipping short email requests around the globe rather than full-blown files. all of which I presume you uns already know, but just in case, I thought it'd toss it out there...

Well, first off, I hate google docs. Not so much interested in "collaboration" as in being able to share the file format I'm working in without standing on my left foot while whistling Also Sprach Zarathustra. Being 61 and cranky has it's limitations. (edited)

Preach on, sister! Hate google too. But when you're working with an org that already has it in place... (there's some expression about Romans or something...) youuns do what works for you. Sometimes people are excited by what's already on tap. Sometimes, they'd rather bottle their own. No bother to me either way...

not looking for who but a reason why would be great to why VCC's classes got cancelled?

We got new calendar admins that are stricken with strictness .. honorarium class have to be about making per the rules

wow... even the make a mame cabinet got cancelled

5:44 PM

"Details Build a full size Arcade machine with a Raspberry"

You can and should correct them via the board

5:45 PM

That is what was said

well that one was going to vector..

It doesn't matter .. it shouldn't have been rejected

agreed

You do know about all the stuff that went on in the committee chair meeting?

5:47 PM

They are limiting honorarium total dollars per month both committee and payments to $15000

5:48 PM

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/information-about-last-nights-meeting-6-20-19-with-the-board-chairs/58064/82

5:51 PM

Several committees and teachers are not happy

5:51 PM

and think the numbers are BS

5:53 PM

Oh and Infra and Logistics are now Groups with Freddy being the decider officers for Infra ... and Pearce being the decider officer for Logistics ... they can pick and choose who and what gets done

5:53 PM

and who attends or has say

5:56 PM

.... no more committee chair elections either .. normal committees still vote to nominate ... groups do not require a vote

@denzuko-at-work I haven't seen the mame cabinet class write up but I assume it was rejected for being a "watch me work" kind or a workshop style class. Maybe a rewrite would help

6:01 PM

Like another example would be 3d fab can't buy a cr10 and get honorarium for a "let's build a printer class"

6:02 PM

Or better example, logistics couldn't have gotten one for the weld a table event

Unless you were teaching a practical class on how to weld and using the tables as an example and place for people to learn ... each person welds a leg for example

That would have been a welding class with the tables just as an opportunity. I'm just saying he might be able to resubmit. It should have had a reason. Or message the auditors

there's a shopping list for members to bring in the materials and be guided otherwise they'll be doing the building as a team (with supervision) and installing the software on thier own

Hmmm... 'how to build a printer' a 10+ part class, with a big up front materials fee but you walk out with an i3 clone all made at the makerspace.

6:10 PM

Might not need that many parts, but there would be some homework like 'print all these parts before the 5th class'...

Mitch tried that once

6:10 PM

It was kits tho

I'll have to ask him about it... I'm afraid it'd turn into a lot of teaching people who have never used a printer before.

sounds like the usual. Most that attend our programming classes either a) already programmers and feel underskilled or b) have no understanding of any the basics and we have to tailor for the least common denominator to make attendance

I ran both the ctf and lockpicking classes before the board before denying them. I didnt deny the cabinet but you should have received a reason in the email.

The writeup was a group project. Optionally there was a shopping list if they wanted to build their own: About this Event We’ll be making a full size cabinet to be hosted in the Interactive Computer Museum which runs RetroPI. Why have a full size cabinet in VCC’s ICM? Because after getting a donation of a vintage 19" server computer case that can support multiple motherboards. Rackie McRack will be hosting several retro boards, (some in customized cases, some in drop in configurations) and we’re able to install a kvm switch which the Mame Cab will interface with. To build one's own they must use the following shopping lists: https://www.amazon.com/ideas/amzn1.account.AFZSV7IEXCYVDTA2FUEEFMKZ3OCA/WCAR0BLRJ9XV?ref=idea_cp_vl_ov_d We'll be following the instructable in: https://www.instructables.com/id/Full-Size-Arcade-Cabinet-Using-Raspberry-Pi/

RetroPi Cab Class

-- Idea List by Dwight A Spencer

Full Size Arcade Cabinet Using Raspberry-Pi

Full Size Arcade Cabinet Using Raspberry-Pi: How to build a full size MAME (Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator) Arcade Cabinet.I had wanted to build a arcade machine for a long time and was surprised how easy it was to build. My design is based on an instructable by ExperiMende...

Looks legit

Are u going g to schedule a meeting for the committee for June?

Update: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-committee-report-06-2019/57983/3

VCC Committee Report 06/2019

Update @Team_VCC be aware that all of our classes got cancelled without warning or reason. Below is the updated classes: Build an Arcade Cabinet class: Midnight Hackers CTF: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/13148 Locksport 101 Same days, same times...

Interesting, I seem to remember giving a reason/explanation. This is exactly how rumors start.

@doug.emes looking at 7/7. I wanted this next Sunday, but it needs to be 10 days out

5:34 PM

@Lavarocks yes, a reason was in the rejection. Not sure if Dwight got it though

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Only elections need to be that far out

@pearce thanks. Well, 5 days notice might still be too little for attendance

Yeah

no I didn't get a notice on the rejection or a reason.

11:59 AM

where do we post that? email right?

It's been a while since I've seen my test cases for what members see when a rejection is given but yes I believe it would've come as part of the rejection email.

I'll submit a test Mell

ok. so then I'll need to set a filter in gmail to make sure it flags things like that. What's the address those rejection email come from?

@Lavarocks I just saw your test and rejected it.

Cool, what was the sender string?

Admin@dallasmakerspace.org

@Lavarocks yeah I just did a test earlier today too after I posted this. You can see it in the rejection list. Great minds or whatever.

Did you notice the typo in the rejection? I just noticed it and now I'm twitchy. Lol

Even I noticed it!

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I pity the fool who doesn't use my letter

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@Lavarocks shoulda used dejected. So dejected I’m rejected.

well.. just found a potential exploit of the calendar system that could lead to gaming the honorarium system. email+random@domain is not parsed thus treated like a new person

10:02 AM

Zek Odun dwightaspencer+testacct@gmail.com 5129208169 No Confirmed View

10:03 AM

I'm removing that one but its going on the back log of items in github to fix

https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar/issues/105

(bug) repeat users for a class may be inputed · Issue #105 · Dal...

Expected Results Given one is not logged And one visits a class for the first time And one signs up with a similar email using the infinite google trick Then a new individual is added Given one is ...

I feel stupid asking, but... how can you guard against this? Isn't this a "feature" of email? And... how does the calendar know that dwightaspencer+testacct@gmail.com is NOT valid and/or the same as {x}?

adding a validator to the model which uses regex: /\w+\+.@.\.{com|org|net|edu}/ (edited)

10:17 AM

if the validator finds an entry that the regex returns true then there's an existing email/user registered

10:18 AM

false then the validator allows the model to commit the record

10:18 AM

most languages; a few lines of code (edited)

my (weak) regex-fu is overtaxed with that expression... what, roughly, in Englishish, is it checking?

ok how's your bnf?

10:21 AM

10:21 AM

the delta here is we're expressly looking for the "+" instead of <alphanum> "@" <domain>

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ah. So a literal plus sign between the two <alphanum>s?

yes

10:23 AM

the second <alphanum> gets ignored in context of testing if an entity exists (edited)

10:24 AM

for identity its allowed if unique

I need an emoji beavis * butthead style where the lighter strikes over Beavis' head...

draco+something@notgmail.com is valid and different than draco+somethingelse@notgmail.com A+Computer@notgmail.com A+Plumbing@notgmail.com (edited)

.....

@A. Spencer(jast) I know that scene. only if one can find the gif

Good point, Draco. And a more knowledgeable representation of what I was thinking...

10:39 AM

PS: bnf? No idea, so I'll say.... Infinitesimal

Also, many web hosting providers have a way to send all emails that are not defined on the domain to one address. It comes in handy to be able to make up email addresses on the fly because all emails not defined go into your email.

so when I use "dontwanntellya@aliceandbob.com" to sign up for services, some poor bastard at aliceandbob.com actually get an email?

If they have it configured on their hosting provider .. yup

10:46 AM

It is a called a Default Email Address

10:47 AM

If you really want to be more secure on signups then have them verify via text message or something

10:47 AM

text back confirm

yep, but that's a whole new layer of shyte (or 3), I think

I agree

@denzuko-at-work that regex is going to miss a lot of stuff. Heck, email addresses can even have multiple '@' characters that aren't a location reference. Email basically allows any ASCII character to the left of the right-most '@' character. Validators aren't supposed to attempt to validate that. As for someone gaming the system, they don't need to use the '+

10:48 AM

' method; they could just sign up a new email

10:49 AM

unless this gets them something specific and unique

10:50 AM

https://haacked.com/archive/2007/08/21/i-knew-how-to-validate-an-email-address-until-i.aspx/

I Knew How To Validate An Email Address Until I Read The RFC

You've been Haacked is a blog about Technology, Software, Management, and Open Source. It's full of good stuff.

10:50 AM

great write up

It will be hard pressed to actually get counted twice for attendance and really that is all that matters as far as honorarium ... unless you can be your own twin....

10:51 AM

If the instructor is going to cheat .. they can just use anything

even with the '+', different providers treat it differently. Some providers it's a unique account, some like gmail it's a folder sorting thing

10:51 AM

^^ what Draco said

If you want to make it complicated, you could use the text method and/or RFID scan method for members to verify that they are indeed real and only the real people could be counted for attendance .. But is this a real issue? I'm not convinced (edited)

except we need to accommodate non-members, too, right?

10:57 AM

retinal scan for attendance?

hence the text method ...

ah, misunderstood your intent on that. gotcha now

Gmail ignores periods, so username@gmail and user.name@gmail go to the same place

11:18 AM

But if we disallowed periods in an email address, my work email would be invalid

I use the "." in the name for non-members to be able to re-register on Calendar if they accidentally hit the unregister button (edited)

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If someone wants to pick up the calendar software .. the development branch has a patch to allow non-paid registrations to reregister

11:23 AM

It was never integrated do to lack of testing

Brandon McClain has expressed an interest in doing so, I've asked him to contact @yashsedai for credentials

It also shows if a class/event gives or requires an AD group

11:24 AM

Good to hear

Two very useful changes, thanks for coding those

:+1:

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07HT8MZ7S/

It's an 800 x 480 screen... but not bad for $85

Yeah for a crash cart styke

5:14 PM

Not quite disposable but it, a cheap webcam, and a dms laptop for a teach anywhere at the space setup

See yall at 4

Minutes posted on wiki

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Pasting @yashsedai's thoughts: "Might suggest they start with the basics. Keeping the classrooms stocked with tables and chairs so they don't have to be shuffled between rooms. Projectors permanently mounted in the rooms."

If help is needed in procuring projectors or mounts all someone needs to do is ask

@Draco Win is Win Shields.

I guess I've never met the person

I'd also like to see those space-inefficient Z-racks replaced with wall-mounted whiteboards

1:16 PM

I am tempted to take a sawzall to those things

He teaches film industry and scriptwriting classes. Says he's a producer.

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I would say that if we are going to accuse someone of abusing the calendar or classrooms, we need to have some policy in place defining that

1:17 PM

Something we can also talk about

That's the issue.

1:17 PM

He's well within our lack of policy

the Z-racks are moderately useful as mobile whiteboards out in the workshop

There are no boundaries

I recall an attempt at a rubric circa 2017 that was met with much screeching

We do have some boundaries ... we have a tiered system of who gets the room ... and we have certain classes that are inappropriate ... this really needs to be discussed and proposed to the Education committee and get some classroom policy

yeah. Everything is someone's sacred cow

thus my skepticism given my recollection that some of the movers and shakers in Education were doing the screeching

I think that is the issue here. Education is the roadblock to their success with exceptions

1:21 PM

We can discuss this till people are blue in the face. There is no motivation for any of it to change.

We need to define the problem before we develop the solution

1:22 PM

What is the issue with Win's classes, for example

The problem is clearly defined

not to me

1:22 PM

please explain

What part of one class taking up 4 nights of prime time classroom is hard?

1:22 PM

It provides no benefit to us

1:22 PM

It eats prime classroom space

Is there room for other classes? Do the classes support our mission?

Considering are mission is open to vast interpretation, thats irrelevant.

1:24 PM

As for room for other classes, how would you know if the space is taken up consistently

quirks head ... if the mission is irrelevant, what are we doing here? I'm not saying the mission statement either

I know what I'm doing here....

We might have to update the mission statement

1:25 PM

to match what we are now here for

That's not the goal

1:26 PM

You wanted to make guidelines and now you say we should change the mission instead

It is important because ... this is in the rules "Scheduled classes/events should uphold our Mission Statement"

wow. my skepticism from ~2 years ago is playing out again before my eyes.

Yep

Oh god. Why do I even bother.

One issue with his classes is that he pushes other classes out of the primetime slots, doesn't have many members taking them

1:28 PM

Much like six sigma did, pulling in random strangers who like to look down on us

What classes is he pushing? That was my first question, are their avaliable rooms for other classes

He only uses us as a free meeting space

if the answer is no .. that makes it more imporatnt

His "acting / writing" classes

I'm not certain that is actually part of our mission ...

1:30 PM

but it may be complementary to Digital Media

So everyone says a person can just ask him to move, but the population of the space is least likely to want to deal with that potential conflict of asking someone to inconvenience themselves by moving

1:30 PM

That goes for any class

Well, what should the policy be?

I don't believe we would ever actually remove a class when the schedule was full up, even if a better suited class showed up.

1:31 PM

That's what was being asked of education when you said we should change the mission instead

I'm saying that we should change the mission to what we actually are doing instead of some vague thing

Wait, wait! I have a proposal!

Does it involved potatos?

Sweet Potatoes

lol

mmmm, lurve me some sweet potatoes

Wasn't there some kind of "waiting list" in the works? Kinda like to see that for teaching space, too. That might help us go "why has basket weaving been waiting for 2 weeks"? "because it needs 35 seats, but the Interactive is always filled with Acting classes" "Oh." "Let's fix that..." Right now, we have no idea what, if anything, letting someone use this as personal studio space is displacing. But, there I go, adding to the problems instead of offering any solutions

I think a waiting list is possible but it would be better if driven by something

Yes there was a queue in the works for some classes

As it stands currently, we can't get people to put up classes due to blue flu

1:35 PM

That and major disinformation campaigns

"blue flu"?

I think a completely reasonable course of action would be that Education head up "educating" the teachers that there are no restrictions on classes being put on the calendar, etc

sorry ... can't give any disinformation for only $25

and I know stuff has cooled because (my opinion) many folks are confused about just excatly what the hell is going on

1:36 PM

and that's partly because, board down, nobody knows

Blue flue is a reference to police calling out sick en masse to protest a policy decision they didnt care, happens quite a bit in union localities

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I fully expect a post about this on talk by end of day

oh?

because the proposal is still being looked at...

What are we posting?

It is prime for the disinformation campains

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lol yes

I'm not posting anything

what will be said?

Can ya'll take this out of Education ?

No

can we write our own disinfo?

Damn LOL

1:38 PM

I'm thinking outer space mexicans

Arguably education should be educating people on how the honorarium system works currently.

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Yes I agree

1:39 PM

We need a pamphlet for teachers

1:40 PM

or people wanting to become teachers

So when can we expect to have one?

There is no such thing as outer space mexicans ... or are you talking about the pamphlets?

Well as outer space mexicans are racist, i'd be talking about the pamphlets

I will have to talk to the committee and see what we can come up with

1:41 PM

Racist? hmmm

Yeah I'm not sure what you meant by it but my first reaction was to delete that post

I had a framework at one point. can't find it any more.

1:46 PM

ah here we go: https://dms-discourse-static.s3.amazonaws.com/original/2X/a/a5c2655e518eb14aa700d4e58097e2d32b4e1920.pdf

1:46 PM

score classes or events using standardized criteria

1:47 PM

I recall the rage at this was ~80% *how dare you reduce precious DMS education down to gameable numbers!*

1:48 PM

<20% was useful feedback on the specifics of the framework or alternative means of assessment

The time length could probably be refocused

Doug had to put up several of the meetings recently.

1:51 PM

Where has John been

60 or less (-1) 60-120(0) 120-180(-1) 180+ (-2) Maybe? The goal would be to stay in the 1-2 hour range

1:52 PM

But I don't know how that changes the rest of the system

it's not the specific weights so much as it was to develop categories to judge calendar entries by

1:57 PM

introduce the concept of a standardized assessment of calendar events in the event of a conflict and we decide that maybe an organizational meeting is more important than anime club holding a marathon screening of all episodes of Inu Yasha

lololol

But how will we find out what happens to the shinigami world and the internal power struggle within

crunchyroll-dot-com or some sh_t

Well next week I'm taking that lecture hall.

2:06 PM

Dammit

Madam President, please do.

Let me know I can get it on YouTube (edited)

I need some robotic Dobermans

Lara is no gentleman.

I'll be driving in Colorado still later today.

Are there minutes from the meeting?

Yes .. I think someone named Joe was taking them

10:19 AM

@john a gorman ... I can't remember his name

@Robodude919

Hey! I took minutes but I wouldn't say I was good at it. I sent them to John Gorman in case they needed reformatting.

can you post them here? (edited)

There is a wiki entry preformatted, you can just paste them raw into it, and we can clean it up

Education_Committee_Meeting_9.7.19_No_Emails.docx

8.23 KB

the current template : https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Committee_Meeting_(Blank)

Committee Meeting (Blank)

See already use our own but thanks

8:23 AM

We not see

every committee their own idea of "minutes" now ... small wonder the bookkeeper is so confused as to what's authorized and what's not

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From minutes: "Will need to make a push to get the old printmaking room back." Is that currently in use as Logisitic's project storage purgatory, @pearce and @AGr?

that is correct

9:32 AM

Why does education believe that they need the old printmaking room back?

Presumably that Bad Plan™ of a sub-ceiling-height wall is going to be taken down, thus making that space part of the interactive room again

9:34 AM

I recall the fire marshal making mention of it at some point but have no documentation offhand

aye

thus, project purgatory will relocate once the demo has been arranged. but I don't expect that to happen anytime well in advance of that time.

Especially considering how effective it's been for storage.

@doug.emes Will you be around the space this evening? Love to talk about what gets filmed this weekend

Yes find me in the weekly RBNO in interactive most of the evening

Great job this evening Doug!

Thank you will have minutes up tomorrow

Where is the meeting tonight?

Which meeting?

My understanding is that there is a meeting about education this evening

There was a meeting with officers and coordinators that board members were also attending

Will post minutes tomorrow, typing up room inventories etc

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@doug.emes a little premature since we still need board approval, but we talked a bit about a training plan for the new epilog at the meeting. We think the best thing is to do an online supplement, so if you've taken 101 or 102 you can watch some training content, maybe take a short quiz, and that clears you for the fusion. Does that sound possible?

Absolutely

Awesome. When we get approval I'll probably have more questions about how to do that, but for now at least we have a good answer for the question of training.

Whats your availability next weekend? I'll schedule and event and demonstrate the tools I use for maki ng courses

I mean you don't need to, I think I missed the last one so that's on me. But I am available next weekend, let me check with Kris first since she's been wanting to convert 101 for a long time.

Lemme know Monday night? I only am planning on attending the mini paint class ,(collision wise)

Will do, I just messaged her about it.

@doug.emes We're good with either 12-2 saturday or 1-3 sunday, which works best for you?

Check9 ng

8:01 PM

Sunday 1to3

8:02 PM

I can create the event

https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/15117

8:19 PM

Made talk post. Will update wiki tomorrow

That's great! Thank you

@doug.emes running about 10 minutes late, sorry

Thanks all for attending

Update. Computing lab work ongoing ngf this weekend. Will be allocating the new to us chairs for that room only.

@doug.emes I believe there are already enough chairs in the room

4:42 PM

Also any idea what the wood leaning on the wall in here is for?

It dates back to ca departure. Was goi g to be for a large table

4:43 PM

Re chairs. The short stacks need to go back to interactive, and all the theater chairs need to go home to lecture

Posted on volunteer oopty

Awesome

@doug.emes what should I do with the wood?

I'll talk with joe and get an answer by Tuesday

Thanks @Andrew LeCody for the calendar edit.

np

@pearce didja mean to lock me out of comm chairs?

12:08 AM

I think I reset roles a while back

Aye ye did

==> looks over at right side of discord screen, showing officer 2, board 1, chais 2 (including me)

12:39 AM

and its avail again, thanks to the powers that be

I'll not be putting my name back in for consideration at this time for education coordinator. My family is high risk for covid, so I cannot be at the space very much. Happy to communicate remotely and offer assistance to the next.

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Dies Education have any input into what they'd want on the streaming cart proposal? Gonna be putting the request up on the August BoD meeting agenda

I've commented on the google doc, and certainly am pro using the kiosk approach of it always being ready.

Google doc?

3:20 PM

I didn't make one, and am unaware of any parallel documents

I had linked one earlier of a draft, but it's really of no consequence

5:47 PM

It was just a description of the reasoning for it

https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/smu-cox-free-webinar-tomorrow-leading-change-in-volatile-times/73546

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re: streaming cart... not the same thing, but I REALLY enjoyed watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZANDiX18gk

MAKE. ART. NOW.

I built a one man film crew. Here's how.

This one's pretty good for basic lighting info and gear on the cheap ( home depot)

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9:43 PM

https://youtu.be/U61AA-CTc5c

Potato Jet

Cheap DIY Video Lights from Home Depot?!

Streaming/streaming cart SIG. Thoughts? Thinking we need to form one to build up teachers, create classes and procedures, maintain the cart hardware, etc

9:43 AM

Would like to have the first of several train the teachers classes by mid October at the latest.

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I'm in

9:59 AM

Also, as promised, I have a stream deck to donate to it

9:59 AM

If it ends up using OBS

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StreamDeck doesn't work with StreamlabsOBS?

Doesn't streamlabs want a subscription now

11:28 AM

I went back to regular obs

11:28 AM

But I switched back because streamlabs was eating ram

yes it supports

11:37 AM

on my personal machine when I plug it in i get to also run hwinfo64 which has been AWESOME to track temp and core freq etc

Something to discuss as I/we build out the system

11:44 AM

i picked up a sudotack boom arm mic, theres probably a dozen plus vendors selling similar items, 192kHz, USB2, metal housing, sound is improved over my jabra commercial headset

Got that in the list with two items from monoprice

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When would be a good time for a Google meet to talk on streaming needs? Thinking Wednesday evening for to start right now, but will have multiple opportunities over next month or so

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https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/best-online-courses/ Published Sep 21, 2020

The 200 Best Free Online Courses of All Time (Based on the Data - 2...

Every year Class Central [https://www.classcentral.com/] releases a list of the Best Free Online Courses Of All Time [https://www.classcentral.com/collection/top-free-online-courses], based on tens of thousands of user reviews. This year, thanks to a growing number of reviews...

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https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/moodle-learn-dallasmakerspace-org/75499 -- Thinking of doing a "this is the basics of getting things onto moodle" class (though not an expert on moodle... yet). Feel free to chime in.

Moodle - Learn.DallasMakerspace.org

Hi All! Last week we upgraded and resurrected the https://learn.dallasmakerspace.org platform, running Moodle LMS. There’s been a lot of interest, which is awesome! An existing 3D Fab course for the PolyPrinter basics is already up, and several committees have already asked ...

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a different make art now video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjbt-webmdg

MAKE. ART. NOW.

I built a self automated YouTube studio.

example of some quick work in descript to make an audiogram: https://share.descript.com/view/gVQyLq0c9mh

Why are you awake at 3:30 am?

@doug.emes That's pretty neat! That could be a good way to do training for thelab.ms

FYHI OBS released major version 27.0 today, can be downloaded directly from GITHUB https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio/releases/download/27.0.0/OBS-Studio-27.0-Full-Installer-x64.exe or from their website probably tonight or tomorrow.

Big release?

I am not sure what Education committee is, but if there are teachers here I wanted to let you know about a resource. I have been adding some classes to KERA and have been told by participants that they read my events on the radio for Art&Seek. https://artandseek.org/calendar/organization/5447/dallas-makerspace