============================================================== Guild: DallasMakerspace Channel: Committees / education ============================================================== [4/28/2017 1:54 AM] bill4934 This space intentionally left blank. [4/28/2017 1:57 AM] canibalcrab @Bill i added you as @education chair you now have permission to post in the #committee_chairs room as well [5/2/2017 8:28 PM] ashley_newland8586 I have a question regarding class fees. Science is planning a 3 part class. We want to charge different fees for members and non-members. Is there a way to do that with the existing calendar system? [5/2/2017 8:31 PM] aceat64 @education chair [5/2/2017 8:33 PM] canibalcrab Bill is opposed to discord. I don't think he's gonna be on here [5/2/2017 8:35 PM] aceat64 that's unfortunate [5/2/2017 8:35 PM] missydee12064974 Probably have to use eventbrite [5/2/2017 8:35 PM] canibalcrab No they were talking about the DMS charging a fee [5/2/2017 8:36 PM] canibalcrab Eventbright takes its own cut [5/2/2017 8:36 PM] missydee12064974 Ohhh, [5/2/2017 8:37 PM] canibalcrab Yeah we used to have it set up where you could charge whatever you want for a class. But the DMS would get 10% etc [5/3/2017 1:19 AM] bill4934 No, same fees for everybody. What's wrong with Talk? [5/3/2017 1:22 AM] canibalcrab Are you thinking of doing a fee based on % of $ taken in class? Or just a flat fee per class regardless of free or paid class? [5/3/2017 4:23 AM] bill4934 The web site mentions a discount on some classes for members; that may be what she is proposing. [5/3/2017 1:07 PM] ashley_newland8586 We want to be able to charge members a discounted rate. So if you are a member you only pay $50 but if you aren't a member you pay more [5/3/2017 1:07 PM] alerho So @Ashley_Newland you can create a class for members only but in the description have an eventbrite link for non members. It's not ideal but with the current system that is the only way I see it working. There are some gotchas. You won't be able to truely limit people. So if you only have 5 spots and 5 people buy eventbrite and 5 members buy tickets, that's an issue. [5/3/2017 1:08 PM] alerho The non members will also see the member price listed in the event but that's not a big deal. [5/3/2017 1:11 PM] alerho When this calendar system started finance wanted as little work to go through them so that is why it is the way it is. It's filled with compromise from finance and classroom at the time. I hope that before other items are added to the calendar that they think about how it will effect finance and other volunteers. [5/3/2017 1:14 PM] ashley_newland8586 Thank you so much for the info. It'll be okay we will figure something out. [5/16/2017 1:22 PM] uglyknees Silent auction is half way up but won't be live until 10p tonight. Make sure you read everything- lots of info and I'm not done yet. This auction isn't the final bid. Final bid is at the picnic. http://www.32auctions.com/DallasMakerspace17 {Embed} http://www.32auctions.com/DallasMakerspace17 Dallas Makerspace Member Picnic 2017 Silent auction 'Dallas Makerspace Member Picnic 2017' hosted online at 32auctions. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/jPxKBnopEVBRMby3nH0SJeoyMkAzboPjVRtx2GHQCFU/%3F20170516040624/https/s3.amazonaws.com/32auctions_prod_images/pics/2261525/h04jp3eW_400x400.png [5/16/2017 7:44 PM] thatoneguyoverhere6530 At our Digital Media Committee, several members brought up "Opencast" and question of which committee was working on setting it up or improving it. We agreed that the DM committee will not be focusing on opencast at the moment, so we wanted to pass that message along πŸ˜€ [5/17/2017 7:26 AM] .ladyl Thanks for the update! We have a group of members working on it. Bill Gee, Mark Havens, and Brian Terry seem to be taking the lead on it. :) [5/24/2017 8:15 PM] robert22 We had a no call no show from Saul Portillo-Menchaca working with Eva foam for cosplay. Who can reach out and find what happened [5/24/2017 9:01 PM] limeytx Not sure who that is, when was the class? [5/25/2017 2:25 AM] kriskat309685 He was there and taught the class. [6/9/2017 2:52 PM] denzuko is there a way to create new classes on learn.dallasmakerspace.org or has this changed? [6/11/2017 3:59 PM] alerho yeah there is a way [6/11/2017 4:00 PM] alerho what are you looking to create? Somethign for VCC or another area? we have categories and I can create them as needed. [6/12/2017 2:29 PM] clone1018 Hrm, you can't book things same day on the Calendar? I want to book the Purple classroom for an hour to do light replacements [6/12/2017 2:30 PM] clone1018 I guess that makes sense [6/13/2017 11:32 AM] stansimmons2031 For future reference, any of the Calendar Admins can book a room on short notice for projects like that. Come find me, I'd be happy to do that and help with the LED replacements. {Reactions} πŸ‘ [6/14/2017 1:39 PM] clone1018 Thanks Stan, LED replacements would be very fast if I could just stay on the ladder lol [6/14/2017 1:39 PM] clone1018 Now that I know its not more crazy I want to get 4 people together to come in one weekend and fix most of the shop [6/14/2017 1:39 PM] clone1018 got a little bit more organization before that though [6/14/2017 8:43 PM] toenolla oof...ok, since general chat is swamped... is there a way to link the DMS calendar to my google calendar? It'd be nice to have all the classes up on my phone. [6/14/2017 8:44 PM] clone1018 I couldn't find a way when I tried earlier, I forgot to respond sorry :p [6/14/2017 8:55 PM] toenolla No problem. πŸ˜ƒ [6/14/2017 10:18 PM] alerho https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/new-calendar-and-honorarium-process/11144/127 for anyone else that is looking. {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/new-calendar-and-honorarium-process/11144/127 New Calendar and Honorarium process 1.) This is a feature to draw attention to current classes but people want to be able to see old events. We will work to show old events but keep focus on newer events. 2.) There is the feed https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/feed that you can add to your google calendar as an ical. Google instructions https://support.google.com/calendar/answer/37100?co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&hl=en Add using a link. 3.) This is a wordpress issue but like @TBJK you can access the full ca... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qREcYyirsxfGv9w032vbfj_VaQOV0w9g9db2qjCGw2M/http/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/user_avatar/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/alexrhodes/200/6447_1.png {Reactions} πŸ‘ (2) [6/17/2017 10:59 AM] toenolla Thank you Alex! [7/17/2017 9:45 AM] kenpurcell Where do the honorarium auditors now discuss pending events requesting honorarium? [7/17/2017 7:05 PM] stansimmons2031 On the Honorarium Hangout is where I've been seeing sporadic discussion [7/18/2017 10:17 AM] clone1018 I'm working on a docker compose setup so you can start working on the calendar in a dev environment in like 3 steps [7/18/2017 10:17 AM] clone1018 So frustrated by setting up ldap lol [7/18/2017 10:35 AM] denzuko how are you setting up ldap? [7/18/2017 10:36 AM] denzuko Oh and have you tried to setup the dns records (http://www.rjsystems.nl/en/2100-dns-discovery-kerberos.php, http://www.rjsystems.nl/en/2100-dns-discovery-openldap.php)? [7/20/2017 8:31 AM] themitch22 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306659373965508630/337587244946685952/IMG_20170720_083044.jpg?ex=67b928df&is=67b7d75f&hm=bf4b0b1fe5d2c5473c06a208fe8db82cdf8869b8bff60713e3a79e8d122a4edc& [7/20/2017 8:31 AM] themitch22 I'm not sure who makes these but this is the room scheduling for MultiCAM using E-ink displays [7/20/2017 8:32 AM] themitch22 It would be cool to hack cheap e-readers like this [7/20/2017 10:05 AM] canibalcrab Tanner's has a bunch of the e ink screens [7/20/2017 1:28 PM] alerho https://www.tindie.com/products/electronictrik/high-tech-e-paper-iot-door-sign/ {Embed} https://www.tindie.com/products/electronictrik/high-tech-e-paper-iot-door-sign/ High Tech E-paper IoT door sign by Electronictricks on Tindie 4.3 inch E-paper office door sign. IoT with display contents updated with WIFI, long lasting battery and its USB charger https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/4SQmYrI06YeWNShkbRSwCNMeE3_eZvPklm3ycz4rdmM/https/d3s5r33r268y59.cloudfront.net/29027/products/thumbs/2017-04-21T07%3A29%3A33.579Z-20170421_085916.jpg.2560x2560_q85.jpg [7/20/2017 1:28 PM] alerho The one you show looks a bit bigger though. [7/20/2017 3:24 PM] denzuko we do have several kindle fires that's been configured for the room scheduling kiosks and a few mounts that need redesigning [7/24/2017 6:21 PM] denzuko sorry, got caught up in traffic coming from the store and work. on my way for the class I'm holding. be there in a few minutes [9/29/2017 8:36 PM] denzuko @education chair I'm trying round up every one for the requirements gathering on mm/calendar revamp and we're needing your input. when is a good time on your schedule for a quick 45min meeting? [4/9/2018 5:08 PM] alerho I will not be able to attend the meeting at 6 today. Is there an agenda? Who all is running for the chair? [4/9/2018 7:00 PM] talkers There was an agenda. I'll post the minutes. In attendance, Bill G, Cairenne, Robin, Stan, and me. I ran for Chair unopposed and was elected. Bill is Vice-chair. {Reactions} πŸ‘ [4/9/2018 7:02 PM] denzuko πŸ˜€ [4/10/2018 12:09 PM] kevpat OK I payed $120 instead of $25 receipt Glk6 Please don't destroy my self esteem Be gentle guys [4/10/2018 12:12 PM] canibalcrab Again. You need to email finance@dallasmakerspace.org the discord is unofficial and won't get you anything done with requesting a refund on a receipt mistake [4/10/2018 12:17 PM] kevpat K [4/10/2018 4:12 PM] talkers @Kevin I copied the bookkeeper too. Bookkeeper@dallasmakerspace.org [4/24/2018 12:16 PM] denzuko Instructor Pool Process v1.0.0 - Abstracted for committee templating {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306659373965508630/438387812266672148/Class_Process.bpmn?ex=67b95db7&is=67b80c37&hm=46fe9ce7d8897abca5d884b2d10d260c3324fc6193e3ef8bc2d526ea98e8b460& {Reactions} dms [4/24/2018 12:16 PM] denzuko {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306659373965508630/438387869539631105/Class_Process_1.png?ex=67b95dc4&is=67b80c44&hm=de74600511ee044e4fd80cf510334dfaf5882f991158b01b6a17dedb53046462& [4/24/2018 12:17 PM] denzuko ^ for consideration by the classroom committee and defining the process to help update calandar/moodle/... [5/31/2018 4:59 PM] blackfire_tx9040 https://twitter.com/deviantollam/status/1002232401777475584?s=19 {Embed} Deviant Ollam ツ (@deviantollam) https://twitter.com/deviantollam/status/1002232401777475584?s=19 Every professional event ever: Pro Tip - Have your A/V team print, laminate, and use the cards in the back of the room if your speakers are not good at the fundamentals of speaking. Brilliant! Likes 115 https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/luub_VTD7OhQ0mB0ijXLplHgi42y6mYOIgKQrlZl0MA/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/DeilDKZU0AAtZGb.jpg%3Alarge Twitter {Reactions} πŸ–€ [7/9/2018 9:14 PM] talkers Meeting Weds night [7/13/2018 6:58 PM] limeytx Hey John, any idea how long after a class is cancelled, that the room is free'd up on the calendar? [7/13/2018 6:59 PM] talkers Should be immediately [7/13/2018 7:02 PM] cryhavoc21 hey question: so if we need a class to qualify for using a specific tool, what's a good way to see when the next class is or request/help with its scheduling? [7/13/2018 7:42 PM] davidkessinger9707 What the calendar. Since classes are taught by volunteers and they typically won't commit to teaching a class more than 3 weeks out (usually 12 days) they don't appear till 10-14 days out. Nature of the beast. It would be nie if classes in queue were read only for everybody except the auditors. [7/13/2018 7:44 PM] cryhavoc21 makes sense. if it's something that we have outside training on something, is there a way we can take a certification test instead of the class? [7/13/2018 8:30 PM] limeytx Daniel, what class are you after? [7/13/2018 10:01 PM] cryhavoc21 The automotive lift. I currently work as general service at a Firestone, so I lift cars on a daily basis. I just want to get clearance for it, and learn that specific type of lift [7/13/2018 10:20 PM] talkers The lift class is only about 20-30 min long, the same as a run thru [7/13/2018 10:24 PM] talkers Each committee sets the rules on training and verification. The problem on general certifications, like welding or woodshop, is the time and toll on our volunteers. They need to be compensated for making the trip and setting time aside to teach or verify. No doubt we have talented, skillful new members join. We still have to show, as you said Daniel, the particulars of our set up, maintenance, safety,and rules. [7/13/2018 10:24 PM] talkers The easiest way is to funnel everyone thru the classes [7/13/2018 10:25 PM] talkers The extra benefit is the skilled folks are better prepared to teach after. [7/13/2018 11:05 PM] cryhavoc21 Yep, that all makes perfect sense. I just wanted to ask and see if something was in place, but I can just wait for the next class. I'm going to the next autmotive committee meeting on the 16th I believe, so I can hopefully get plugged into the community then {Reactions} ✌ [7/14/2018 12:50 PM] davidkessinger9707 Daniel. When you go to the Automotive Committee meeting talk with Tom if you'd like to be a Lift Instructor. It would be greatly appreciated. Classes are pretty much ad hoc when someone would it it and an instructor is available and willing. [7/14/2018 4:28 PM] cryhavoc21 Sure, once I've been trained I'd be willing to volunteer {Reactions} 🍻 (2) [7/18/2018 3:31 AM] draco_the_drake @Denzuko.sdf.org ... I have created a permanent "development" branch on the GitHub Calendar All, development should be merged into there first. Then once it is has been QAed and ready for production, then merged into master. Master needs to stay pristine. Also, this allows the development branch to be CIed into a different domain for everyone to play with. [7/20/2018 1:13 PM] limeytx What is the max capacity for the interactive? Any idea? [7/20/2018 1:16 PM] canibalcrab Like by #of seats we have? Or by fire marshal who says we can't have books on brewing? [7/22/2018 9:37 AM] talkers @Limey (MReynolds) no idea... [7/22/2018 9:38 AM] talkers Today's meeting to review calendar requirements has been cancelled. I'll schedule another meeting soon. @Draco [7/25/2018 12:10 PM] cryhavoc21 New person question: how do we go about creating classes/getting registered as an instructor? When I joined, some people wanted me to teach classes [7/25/2018 12:13 PM] canibalcrab Anyone can teach [7/25/2018 12:57 PM] cryhavoc21 How does one go about doing that? [7/25/2018 12:58 PM] canibalcrab Dallasmakerspace.org/teach [7/25/2018 1:06 PM] cryhavoc21 Cool, thanks [8/22/2018 3:03 PM] denzuko @john a gorman Got a potential volunteer instructor that I'd like to introduce to the space. He'll be heading up classes on CompTIA related course and be a regular contact for the VCC Instructor pool. Think you got time to meet with him? {Reactions} πŸ€— [9/21/2018 5:07 PM] denzuko @here could some fix https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/edit/7850 I put in for this monday and it poped up as November. [9/21/2018 5:09 PM] talkers @Denzuko.sdf.org are you sure u didn't pick Nov? [9/21/2018 5:15 PM] denzuko damn sure [9/21/2018 5:17 PM] denzuko and no this is not the only time that date picker has glitched. I have half a mind to be a dick and blow away the current calendar inplace of one written in node js and react.js. or something that's not going to be such a pain [9/21/2018 5:18 PM] denzuko https://medium.com/@avanthikameenakshi/building-restful-api-with-nodejs-and-mysql-in-10-min-ff740043d4be {Embed} https://medium.com/@avanthikameenakshi/building-restful-api-with-nodejs-and-mysql-in-10-min-ff740043d4be Building REST API in the blink of an eye! (MySQL + NodeJS) What are we going to do? https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/xmnNdzZHqobAQug2E_i-dWi6JDbB0CX9SEz0VWYJ3cI/https/cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1%2A-puLhgETRvZkaghm8KDqYA.png [9/21/2018 5:19 PM] denzuko https://www.nativescript.org/blog/vue-and-nativescript-in-one-minute {Embed} https://www.nativescript.org/blog/vue-and-nativescript-in-one-minute Vue.js and NativeScript in One Minute Using Vue with NativeScript is becoming more of a reality every day. Learn how to create a super simple Vue app for iOS and Android in about one minute! https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/gBEDelmkfUkRYnZac1EHbwJSlrwr5Q92gXa_H5ZuPx0/https/www.nativescript.org/images/default-source/Blogs/ns-logo_share_600x315.png [9/21/2018 5:20 PM] denzuko Now there's a datepicker for you https://elemefe.github.io/mint-ui/#/datetime-picker [9/21/2018 5:22 PM] denzuko better yet, android supported ui - https://vuematerial.io/components/datepicker {Embed} https://vuematerial.io/components/datepicker Datepicker - Vue Material Build well-crafted apps with Material Design and Vue.js https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/uAlGX1KyiF1c8PMYNjaJX93U3KlC0d7o2N6i-DhPdL0/https/vuematerial.io/assets/logo-color.png [12/11/2018 9:56 PM] conic Found a digital signage thing. [12/11/2018 9:56 PM] conic https://getjoan.com/ {Embed} Adis Duvnjak https://getjoan.com// Meet Joan - The number one Meeting Room Booking System Joan is the best Meeting Room Booking system on the market. It's simple to install, easy to use and sustainable. Have better meetings with Joan. [12/11/2018 9:57 PM] conic A bit pricy, but has an API for integration into our booking system. [12/12/2018 12:25 AM] talkers @conic hi. I don't recognize the handle. [3/20/2019 3:34 PM] mell.jpg This should probably be changed to education committee btw. @nerds [3/20/2019 3:34 PM] aceat64 Done [3/20/2019 3:55 PM] kentamanos but now it's not in alpha order! πŸ˜ƒ {Reactions} πŸ˜„ (2) [3/20/2019 4:03 PM] aceat64 Can't easily fix that on mobile [3/20/2019 4:15 PM] kentamanos no rush, timing was just funny with @merissa comment on infra πŸ˜ƒ [3/20/2019 4:25 PM] merissa4308 Hah! Didn't even notice this one πŸ˜„ [3/20/2019 4:33 PM] kentamanos it was "classroom" until 3:34 πŸ˜ƒ [3/20/2019 5:03 PM] merissa4308 Didn't notice that either πŸ˜† Maybe need to work on my observational skills [3/20/2019 9:16 PM] doug.emes Woohoo renamed! [5/3/2019 9:06 PM] doug.emes threw up a calendar event for the 18th for the election for this committee of which I am a humble member [5/3/2019 9:09 PM] doug.emes and 100% i am NOT running [5/4/2019 3:59 AM] draco_the_drake https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/12074 [5/4/2019 3:59 AM] draco_the_drake I'd vote for ya Doug [5/4/2019 4:00 AM] draco_the_drake But this place will suck up all your time if you let it [5/16/2019 2:10 PM] aceat64 random thought, but how well do we explain to our teachers than they can charge for classes (and keep the proceeds)? [5/16/2019 2:10 PM] aceat64 might be a win-win for many of the more prolific teachers to charge $10-15/student [5/16/2019 2:11 PM] aceat64 paradoxically, charging for classes can often _increase_ the number of students who want to take the class, because of the perception of value [5/16/2019 2:39 PM] lavarocks. Do you mean solely through Eventbrite? [5/16/2019 2:40 PM] aceat64 yeah, I think the calendar software has that integrated [5/16/2019 2:41 PM] lavarocks. You pay a fee through Eventbrite and then you would only make $10/15 for an hour and a half- that’s minimum wage. [5/16/2019 2:42 PM] aceat64 I think there's a miscommunication here, I'm saying the teacher could charge per student $10-15 (or more if it's a very highly valued class) [5/16/2019 2:42 PM] lavarocks. Ah. [5/16/2019 2:42 PM] aceat64 at $10/student, a class with 6 students nets the teacher more money, regardless of length [5/16/2019 2:44 PM] lavarocks. We did discuss at the last chair vice chair meeting really needing to address the dated software and possibly request to pay for a new calendar system that could integrate Eventbrite AND meetup to bring in new members. I believe Eventbrite has a pretty big fee per payment [5/16/2019 2:44 PM] aceat64 looks like Eventbrite is 3.5% + $1.79 per ticket [5/16/2019 2:45 PM] aceat64 we might be able to negotiate a better rate as a non-profit [5/16/2019 2:46 PM] lavarocks. I tried it once and wasn’t a fan. Is there anything else out there like it? [5/16/2019 2:47 PM] aceat64 probably, the other option is just tying the calendar software into a CC processor, though we'd end up being the middle man for processing the payments to the teacher [5/16/2019 2:48 PM] aceat64 services like Stripe are fairly straightforward to use from an programming standpoint, we'd have to hash out the financial workflow [5/16/2019 2:48 PM] aceat64 their rate is 2.9% + $0.30 per transaction [5/16/2019 2:49 PM] aceat64 (might be lower for non-profits) [5/16/2019 2:49 PM] aceat64 looks like 2.2% for non-profit [5/16/2019 2:51 PM] aceat64 at eventbrite's pricing a $10 gets the teacher $7.86 after fees, at $15 that's $12.68 [5/16/2019 2:52 PM] aceat64 so $15/student breakeven with honorarium is at 4 students [5/16/2019 2:53 PM] aceat64 any teacher with classes regularly over 4 students should really think about charging $15/head [5/16/2019 2:54 PM] aceat64 example, a 10 student class that paid $15/student is $126.80 for the teacher [5/16/2019 2:55 PM] doug.emes Your assuming the free loving as in free beer students will choose to pay. That's a huge assumption. The takeaway/proj classes where you pay for materials is usually under 10 and they don't fill [5/16/2019 2:55 PM] aceat64 I think there's loads of people willing to pay for a class, at the right price point and class qualities [5/16/2019 2:56 PM] doug.emes Arguably those classes Arent being taught yet [5/16/2019 2:56 PM] aceat64 perception of value is important, there's likely plenty of people who see a free class and don't go, because they think there's a catch [5/16/2019 2:56 PM] doug.emes Kirk keeters class would have been bgg ut he backed out [5/16/2019 2:56 PM] timooni perception of value is a real emotional force that i often feel however, i have been reminding myself lately that if i wouldn't do it if it were free, i probably shouldn't do it [5/16/2019 2:57 PM] lavarocks. I charge for materials and they fill but then people no showπŸ€·β€β™€οΈ [5/16/2019 2:57 PM] timooni such as the ruby on rails course that one guy kept pushing. his friend teaches it, that's great that he tries to support him. but he kept asking after i said no. at that point it's like, really? [5/16/2019 2:57 PM] aceat64 funny story, my parents had a bunch of stuff they wanted to get rid of, so they put it out front with a sign that said "Free, please take" it sat there for days, my Dad decided instead to put a sign on it that said "For sale, ring door bell" it was stolen within 2 hours [5/16/2019 2:57 PM] aceat64 (this legit happened) [5/16/2019 2:58 PM] lavarocks. Lol [5/16/2019 2:58 PM] timooni lol but that's just it though [5/16/2019 2:58 PM] timooni if it's free, it's likely defective in their mind right? [5/16/2019 2:58 PM] timooni if you have the audacity to ask for money for something left on the lawn, then they think you know there's still some value in that thing [5/16/2019 2:59 PM] aceat64 exactly, it's the same reason Beats puts weights in their headsets [5/16/2019 2:59 PM] timooni but i mean... you can put any price on knowledge and you would have no idea if it's worth anything based on that [5/16/2019 2:59 PM] aceat64 if it _appears_ cheap, people assume it's because it's bad [5/16/2019 2:59 PM] aceat64 (that's not a great example, Beats are bad) [5/16/2019 3:00 PM] timooni weights are good though [5/16/2019 3:00 PM] timooni they are [5/16/2019 3:00 PM] timooni lol [5/16/2019 3:00 PM] timooni i like things that are heavy [5/16/2019 3:00 PM] timooni i like having a heavy keyboard, and a weighted mouse [5/16/2019 3:00 PM] aceat64 people view phones with metal and glass backs as "better" than the plastic ones, but arguably plastic is a better case material, it just looks/feels cheaper [5/16/2019 3:01 PM] timooni depends on the plastic [5/16/2019 3:02 PM] timooni plastic does scuff more and that looks ugly. form is important for some people's images. plastic can also crack. Metal and glass both smudge but they can be cleaned. Metal bends and gets hot but is good otherwise [5/16/2019 3:02 PM] timooni but [5/16/2019 3:02 PM] timooni i would have to argue that backglass is the best way to go, if you do it the way samsung does it [5/16/2019 3:03 PM] timooni iphone backglass is an abomination [5/16/2019 3:03 PM] timooni but samsung backglass is functional. It can crack. But you can easily take it off and put a new one on yourself for 15 bucks or less. [5/16/2019 3:04 PM] timooni thank you for coming to my ted talk there's merch in the back so... [5/16/2019 3:08 PM] aceat64 hmm another option, if we end up handling the processing directly, could be to have the classes free to members, but cost for non-members, but we still pay the teacher the same per head anyway [5/16/2019 3:09 PM] aceat64 it would have to be balanced against various factors though [5/16/2019 3:09 PM] aceat64 general idea would be to encourage non-members to become members, even if just for a class or two [5/16/2019 3:09 PM] timooni like an a la carte honorarium that non members would subsidize? [5/16/2019 3:10 PM] aceat64 something like that [5/17/2019 1:22 PM] nullinterface *[back to yesterday's conversation]* ah phone construction materials and all the largely-wasted efforts they put into aesthetics [5/17/2019 1:23 PM] nullinterface some huge percentage of the market slaps a case on that phone as soon as they can procure one [5/17/2019 1:23 PM] nullinterface thus all those premium materials never ever get looked at [5/17/2019 1:23 PM] nullinterface but I guess glass backs are good for one thing - the phones tend not to last as long {Reactions} πŸ‘ [5/17/2019 1:26 PM] nullinterface also polycarbonate is one of the better phone materials out there for everything but the screen, which we insist one being left naked while also demanding scratch resistance [5/18/2019 6:29 PM] doug.emes back to actual education committee - we held our meeting and election, and John Gorman has the majority of votes, I updated talk and wil lbe updating the wiki [5/18/2019 6:29 PM] doug.emes he is our chairperson elect to be confirmed by the new board [5/18/2019 8:52 PM] talkers Nancee has agreed to be vice chair in charge of teacher development [5/18/2019 8:57 PM] talkers Thank you @doug.emes for helping set up the meeting and run it [5/18/2019 8:58 PM] mizgeek -waves pom-poms and cheers- [5/18/2019 9:05 PM] talkers @MizGeek thank you 😊 [5/18/2019 9:08 PM] mizgeek You improve anything you touch. 😁 [5/18/2019 10:01 PM] doug.emes Awesome. [5/20/2019 10:56 PM] doug.emes Nice stub on the wiki [5/21/2019 4:14 PM] doug.emes edited the wiki to give hotlink to this channel [5/21/2019 4:14 PM] doug.emes and added links to jen and my talk handles etc [5/21/2019 4:15 PM] doug.emes John if you like ill fix yours, Bill's too (or anyone else) if they ask me too [5/21/2019 4:59 PM] talkers @doug.emes that would be great for me. Not sure if bill checks here. Plus a general link to this channel. But I'm guessing you have already done this πŸ˜‰ [5/21/2019 5:07 PM] doug.emes yeah its a perm invite directly to this channel [5/21/2019 5:07 PM] doug.emes no expiration, no limits [5/21/2019 5:16 PM] canibalcrab The "xyz showed up" notice still shows in general but it'll drop them in this chat [5/21/2019 5:30 PM] doug.emes which it should [5/21/2019 5:30 PM] doug.emes thanks for having this resource configuered Pearce [5/22/2019 11:13 AM] doug.emes https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/help-plz-w-conf-rooms-for-a-large-class/56362/6?u=dougemes [5/22/2019 11:13 AM] doug.emes I replied @john a gorman but something for us to think about [5/22/2019 5:46 PM] talkers @doug.emes thanks for the heads up [5/22/2019 7:22 PM] merissa4308 Calendar question (think this is the best place to ask)... I just submitted an event and forgot to select a category. Can it be edited? [5/22/2019 10:15 PM] stansimmons2031 Admins can edit. What do you need? [5/22/2019 10:15 PM] canibalcrab @merissa [5/22/2019 10:16 PM] stansimmons2031 Oops, forgot.... If it was the commintee meeting/maint. events, I'll go ahead and fix those [5/22/2019 10:16 PM] merissa4308 Ooh thank you! [5/22/2019 10:16 PM] merissa4308 Yes, I think I forgot it on the laser committee meeting for 6/2 [5/22/2019 10:17 PM] merissa4308 Laser category should be selected on the maintenance event [5/22/2019 10:17 PM] stansimmons2031 Meeting fixed and approved. working maint. event [5/22/2019 10:18 PM] stansimmons2031 Maint. was already good. approved it too [5/22/2019 10:18 PM] merissa4308 Thanks! I'm about to add our monthly meetings for the next six months or so πŸ˜€ [5/22/2019 10:19 PM] merissa4308 They don't need rush approval or anything though, unless if you just want to as you see them [5/22/2019 10:19 PM] stansimmons2031 I'll check back in a while and approve them too {Reactions} πŸ‘ [5/22/2019 10:28 PM] merissa4308 It would be cool if the calendar had a preview option before you submit your class/event [5/22/2019 10:28 PM] stansimmons2031 Yes it would, can you or Brandon get on the DMS Github and add that feature request? [5/22/2019 10:29 PM] merissa4308 I'll ask him [5/22/2019 10:29 PM] merissa4308 Not sure where to find that myself [5/22/2019 10:29 PM] draco_the_drake https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar/issues {Embed} https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar/issues Dallas-Makerspace/calendar Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/calendar development by creating an account on GitHub. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ITo4w4d0AAbib6KoqFCWr28DlNpOEUOWzQMSxDMvYw8/%3Fs%3D400%26v%3D4/https/avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/920460 [5/22/2019 10:31 PM] merissa4308 Ask and ye shall receive 😁 [5/22/2019 10:31 PM] merissa4308 Thanks guys! [5/22/2019 10:34 PM] merissa4308 Ack, and I see now that I can edit after it's ~~approved~~ submitted. I'll do that next time [5/22/2019 11:39 PM] merissa4308 Request entered. Thanks @AGr [5/23/2019 12:08 AM] talkers Cooler if @AGr could code the ask [5/23/2019 12:08 AM] talkers πŸ˜‰ [5/23/2019 1:08 AM] draco_the_drake Tell him to fork it and send a Pull Request [5/24/2019 11:52 AM] aceat64 I'd like to move my class today to what I think is the "North Lobby Classroom" (the room they did the BoD office hours in), it says special permission required, who do I talk to? [5/24/2019 11:52 AM] aceat64 the move was requested by people who apparently think dying of heat stroke is bad 🀣 [5/24/2019 12:50 PM] stansimmons2031 I moved the Wiki class for you to the N Lobby Classroom [5/24/2019 12:56 PM] aceat64 thanks [5/24/2019 1:01 PM] kenpurcell yep disappointed that we did not get to visit with the landlord today. the purple and orange rooms where to be discussed. [5/24/2019 3:22 PM] stansimmons2031 New thermostats with remote sensors will help with those rooms. Johnson Controls needs to do a repair on a couple of rtu's [5/25/2019 12:18 AM] doug.emes Great class @aceat64 [5/25/2019 1:54 AM] doug.emes hmm, education committee isnt showing up under active committees, methinks something broke with the original redirect that was set up a couple weeks ago. [5/25/2019 2:14 AM] talkers @doug.emes it was when I created the page this week. Let me check the tag [5/25/2019 2:14 AM] doug.emes it has the tag [5/25/2019 2:14 AM] doug.emes but its not showing up under the subcategory which shows the active committees [5/25/2019 2:14 AM] doug.emes and let me know what you think of the formatting [5/25/2019 2:19 AM] talkers That is weird. It was working a couple of days ago [5/25/2019 2:19 AM] talkers {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306659373965508630/581743063697719306/Screenshot_2019-05-25-02-18-29.png?ex=67b8d1b2&is=67b78032&hm=8bced9c481103c3bc3a2a2942869a2fff3c46c587b91e288925a606842b6475b& [5/25/2019 2:19 AM] talkers It does show here, but the tag is correct for active committees [5/25/2019 2:19 AM] talkers {{Active Committee}} [5/25/2019 2:19 AM] doug.emes yeah, theres a couple (i think 7) [5/25/2019 2:19 AM] doug.emes overall that arent pulling up [5/25/2019 2:19 AM] doug.emes in the upper spot [5/25/2019 2:20 AM] doug.emes the other thing, and this can be handled latr, is some committees pull by name some pull as category [5/25/2019 2:20 AM] doug.emes CA is a redirect to the category when you go to Creative_Arts_Committee [5/25/2019 2:20 AM] doug.emes but ours isnt [5/25/2019 2:20 AM] doug.emes dunno which is more "right" [5/25/2019 2:21 AM] talkers Eduction was showing properly after Education Committee was created and redirect added [5/25/2019 2:22 AM] doug.emes theres a chance i goofed it [5/25/2019 2:22 AM] doug.emes lemme copy all my editrs to a notepad [5/25/2019 2:22 AM] doug.emes and we can try a quick revert [5/25/2019 2:23 AM] doug.emes ok i have an offline copy now [5/25/2019 2:24 AM] doug.emes wanna try taking it back to the may 21st one [5/25/2019 2:24 AM] doug.emes ? [5/25/2019 2:24 AM] talkers But the code looks right. [5/25/2019 2:25 AM] talkers Sure, let's see if it makes a difference [5/25/2019 2:25 AM] doug.emes lets have you roll it real quickl [5/25/2019 2:26 AM] talkers Wait, me roll it back? [5/25/2019 2:26 AM] talkers BTW formatting looks great [5/25/2019 2:26 AM] doug.emes for the auidit log [5/25/2019 2:27 AM] doug.emes since your the chair [5/25/2019 2:27 AM] doug.emes try the 11:25, May 21, 2019 revision [5/25/2019 2:28 AM] talkers That's just clicking on the "undo" link, yes? [5/25/2019 2:28 AM] doug.emes yes [5/25/2019 2:28 AM] doug.emes https://dallasmakerspace.org/w/index.php?title=Education&offset=20190521205237&action=history {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/w/index.php?title=Education&offset=20190521205237&action=history Index.php?title=Education&offset=20190521205237&action=history [5/25/2019 2:28 AM] doug.emes for the undo link for that date [5/25/2019 2:30 AM] talkers {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306659373965508630/581746020719788032/Screenshot_2019-05-25-02-30-39.png?ex=67b8d473&is=67b782f3&hm=3de8e2cd334d016247734ea1106abebed3d9bc7c8d1c2490224f93f3ceb1b8ed& [5/25/2019 2:31 AM] talkers Wrong screenshot [5/25/2019 2:32 AM] talkers I think undo only does that edit. That one was small. Doesn't restore state of page [5/25/2019 2:32 AM] doug.emes ok hold on [5/25/2019 2:32 AM] doug.emes im going hit it with a hammer [5/25/2019 2:32 AM] talkers Wait, let me undo that [5/25/2019 2:33 AM] talkers Let me try one more thing [5/25/2019 2:33 AM] doug.emes yes sir [5/25/2019 2:33 AM] talkers {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306659373965508630/581746734779203604/Screenshot_2019-05-25-02-33-38.png?ex=67b8d51d&is=67b7839d&hm=00dcd930c67e8a384bacaa86d781cb3ff0a64455128646d1d4031dd2ddc152ed& [5/25/2019 2:33 AM] talkers Hehe [5/25/2019 2:33 AM] talkers Try your hammer [5/25/2019 2:34 AM] doug.emes ok [5/25/2019 2:34 AM] doug.emes 1 sec [5/25/2019 2:36 AM] doug.emes well removing category:education committee got rid of a recursive link list [5/25/2019 2:36 AM] doug.emes but doesnt show the page as a category [5/25/2019 2:37 AM] doug.emes i think probably we may have to engage an admin later [5/25/2019 2:37 AM] doug.emes once were finished cleaning it up [5/25/2019 2:37 AM] doug.emes do you mind haveing the discussion links moved to the top? [5/25/2019 2:38 AM] doug.emes i think its better to lead wit that [5/25/2019 2:40 AM] talkers All that works for me [5/25/2019 2:41 AM] doug.emes im just trying to get us to june to a point where we are current etc [5/25/2019 2:41 AM] doug.emes then start working into the other committees [5/25/2019 2:41 AM] doug.emes on theirs [5/25/2019 2:41 AM] doug.emes let us lead by example [5/25/2019 3:45 AM] doug.emes https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Education {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Education Education [5/25/2019 3:45 AM] doug.emes https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Education_Committee_Meeting_20190518 {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Education_Committee_Meeting_20190518 Education Committee Meeting 20190518 [5/25/2019 3:45 AM] doug.emes wiki edits done [5/25/2019 3:45 AM] doug.emes gnight 'Murica [5/30/2019 2:15 PM] draco_the_drake https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/guide-to-build-a-group/56801 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/guide-to-build-a-group/56801 Guide to build a Group I think we can do a lot to help people build a group of people, such as an Interest Group, Project Group, or even a Committee. I think some people lack confidence or think they will end up doing it all and it will be too much work. They also may not know how to really start... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/I4_EedIDX0BjqrznQWWDFVury0feLFBlQTwMKQACnF4/https/dms-discourse-static.s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/f/7/f70cced1563c2e6c3aab1a7cbef3cfba5d1983fe.png [5/30/2019 5:50 PM] talkers I'll catch up on that later. I talk to a lot of people about the process. {Reactions} πŸ‘ [5/30/2019 6:08 PM] draco_the_drake I think we also might get into how to market your group and bring the public in. [5/30/2019 6:09 PM] draco_the_drake ... giving tours and getting people to sign the waiver ... also the timer door switch [5/30/2019 6:09 PM] draco_the_drake It would be nice to be able to hand someone a booklet [6/4/2019 11:21 AM] talkers @Draco I created such a book for PR for the open house & tour guides. It would be good with a new round of committee chairs to have them review their sections. {Reactions} ⭐ [6/4/2019 1:19 PM] denzukoatwork2317 got a digital version I can look over? [6/4/2019 1:57 PM] judykriehn3727 It's on the PR committee drive. [6/4/2019 2:58 PM] talkers The one on the committee drive was a new member handbook also created by Mell as PR chair and others. Mine was committee focused. I'll get a copy. [6/4/2019 2:59 PM] talkers I gave these and a third one to Jo. She wants to work on improving them {Reactions} πŸ‘ŒπŸΌ [6/4/2019 3:29 PM] mell.jpg @Apparently_Weird got with me about the New Member Handbook and I directed him to the committee drive. I had always meant to follow it up with a Committee Chair Handbook and a Teacher Handbook but seeing as how the New Member one was possibly a failure, I never did the others. If PR wants to give it a shot again the whole thing needs heavy updating bc we did it circa 2016 iirc. [6/4/2019 3:34 PM] andrew5152 why do you view the new member one as a failure? I thought it was a hit... [6/4/2019 4:13 PM] mell.jpg Mostly bc it didn't stick without me pushing for it. If truly a success it would've. I'm still super proud of it and the team that created it. And like with anything DMS, I'm good with us moving on and trying something else. πŸ‘ [6/4/2019 4:15 PM] andrew5152 Roger that. [6/4/2019 4:20 PM] stansimmons2031 I thought your new member handbook was fantastic. I just didn't have time/energy to print them weekly. [6/4/2019 4:29 PM] mizgeek I loved it. I still have mine. It made me more excited about Makerspace when we joined. {Reactions} πŸ‘ dms (2) [6/4/2019 4:36 PM] judykriehn3727 I am working on a new member handbook, a brochure, and other things. JJ probably doesn't know that. as I began the discussions with James before the election (. Well, the new member thing was started in November, but the person who insisted on "helping me" never responded. And I did not feel empowered to move forward. But now, I'm six months older and jaded. So I empowered myself. {Reactions} πŸ’― πŸ† dms (5) πŸ‘ [6/4/2019 4:37 PM] andrew5152 Can I get a HELL YEAH!? {Reactions} 😁 [6/4/2019 4:44 PM] mizgeek You go!! [6/4/2019 4:46 PM] mizgeek And 30-year tech writer is happy to help you if you need it. 😁 {Reactions} dms πŸ‘ [6/4/2019 11:50 PM] talkers Excellent! [6/5/2019 12:14 AM] apparently_weird Well I didn’t know that but then you let the cat out the bag... πŸ˜‰ The only question is, how can I support you? [6/5/2019 2:14 AM] judykriehn3727 Pm me an email address so I can send you word files to look at text? [6/5/2019 11:20 AM] andrew5152 If it's collaboration you're after, the G-suite works pretty darned well for file hosting, etc. And if you can use Google Docs, et.al. for your creation, more power to you, because that brings extra-enhancy functionality to the collaboration process such as simultaneous editing, comments, etc. instead of having to ship files all over tarnation via email. But if you're insistent on old-school file sharing, you can use "the committee drive" to accomplish similar tasks, just shipping short email requests around the globe rather than full-blown files. all of which I presume you uns already know, but just in case, I thought it'd toss it out there... [6/5/2019 11:23 AM] judykriehn3727 Well, first off, I hate google docs. Not so much interested in "collaboration" as in being able to share the file format I'm working in without standing on my left foot while whistling Also Sprach Zarathustra. Being 61 and cranky has it's limitations. [6/5/2019 11:29 AM] andrew5152 Preach on, sister! Hate google too. But when you're working with an org that already has it in place... (there's some expression about Romans or something...) youuns do what works for you. Sometimes people are excited by what's already on tap. Sometimes, they'd rather bottle their own. No bother to me either way... [6/24/2019 5:41 PM] denzukoatwork2317 not looking for who but a reason why would be great to why VCC's classes got cancelled? [6/24/2019 5:43 PM] draco_the_drake We got new calendar admins that are stricken with strictness .. honorarium class have to be about making per the rules [6/24/2019 5:44 PM] denzukoatwork2317 wow... even the make a mame cabinet got cancelled [6/24/2019 5:44 PM] denzukoatwork2317 "Details Build a full size Arcade machine with a Raspberry" [6/24/2019 5:44 PM] draco_the_drake You can and should correct them via the board [6/24/2019 5:45 PM] draco_the_drake That is what was said [6/24/2019 5:46 PM] denzukoatwork2317 well that one was going to vector.. [6/24/2019 5:46 PM] draco_the_drake It doesn't matter .. it shouldn't have been rejected [6/24/2019 5:46 PM] denzukoatwork2317 agreed [6/24/2019 5:46 PM] draco_the_drake You do know about all the stuff that went on in the committee chair meeting? [6/24/2019 5:47 PM] draco_the_drake They are limiting honorarium total dollars per month both committee and payments to $15000 [6/24/2019 5:48 PM] draco_the_drake https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/information-about-last-nights-meeting-6-20-19-with-the-board-chairs/58064/82 [6/24/2019 5:51 PM] draco_the_drake Several committees and teachers are not happy [6/24/2019 5:51 PM] draco_the_drake and think the numbers are BS [6/24/2019 5:53 PM] draco_the_drake Oh and Infra and Logistics are now Groups with Freddy being the decider officers for Infra ... and Pearce being the decider officer for Logistics ... they can pick and choose who and what gets done [6/24/2019 5:53 PM] draco_the_drake and who attends or has say [6/24/2019 5:56 PM] draco_the_drake .... no more committee chair elections either .. normal committees still vote to nominate ... groups do not require a vote [6/24/2019 6:00 PM] canibalcrab @denzuko-at-work I haven't seen the mame cabinet class write up but I assume it was rejected for being a "watch me work" kind or a workshop style class. Maybe a rewrite would help [6/24/2019 6:01 PM] canibalcrab Like another example would be 3d fab can't buy a cr10 and get honorarium for a "let's build a printer class" [6/24/2019 6:02 PM] canibalcrab Or better example, logistics couldn't have gotten one for the weld a table event [6/24/2019 6:03 PM] draco_the_drake Unless you were teaching a practical class on how to weld and using the tables as an example and place for people to learn ... each person welds a leg for example [6/24/2019 6:04 PM] canibalcrab That would have been a welding class with the tables just as an opportunity. I'm just saying he might be able to resubmit. It should have had a reason. Or message the auditors [6/24/2019 6:06 PM] denzukoatwork2317 there's a shopping list for members to bring in the materials and be guided otherwise they'll be doing the building as a team (with supervision) and installing the software on thier own [6/24/2019 6:07 PM] michaelb5250 Hmmm... 'how to build a printer' a 10+ part class, with a big up front materials fee but you walk out with an i3 clone all made at the makerspace. [6/24/2019 6:10 PM] michaelb5250 Might not need that many parts, but there would be some homework like 'print all these parts before the 5th class'... [6/24/2019 6:10 PM] canibalcrab Mitch tried that once [6/24/2019 6:10 PM] canibalcrab It was kits tho [6/24/2019 6:23 PM] michaelb5250 I'll have to ask him about it... I'm afraid it'd turn into a lot of teaching people who have never used a printer before. [6/24/2019 6:26 PM] denzukoatwork2317 sounds like the usual. Most that attend our programming classes either a) already programmers and feel underskilled or b) have no understanding of any the basics and we have to tailor for the least common denominator to make attendance [6/24/2019 8:30 PM] lavarocks. I ran both the ctf and lockpicking classes before the board before denying them. I didnt deny the cabinet but you should have received a reason in the email. [6/25/2019 8:59 AM] kenpurcell The writeup was a group project. Optionally there was a shopping list if they wanted to build their own: About this Event We’ll be making a full size cabinet to be hosted in the Interactive Computer Museum which runs RetroPI. Why have a full size cabinet in VCC’s ICM? Because after getting a donation of a vintage 19" server computer case that can support multiple motherboards. Rackie McRack will be hosting several retro boards, (some in customized cases, some in drop in configurations) and we’re able to install a kvm switch which the Mame Cab will interface with. To build one's own they must use the following shopping lists: https://www.amazon.com/ideas/amzn1.account.AFZSV7IEXCYVDTA2FUEEFMKZ3OCA/WCAR0BLRJ9XV?ref=idea_cp_vl_ov_d We'll be following the instructable in: https://www.instructables.com/id/Full-Size-Arcade-Cabinet-Using-Raspberry-Pi/ {Embed} https://www.amazon.com/ideas/amzn1.account.AFZSV7IEXCYVDTA2FUEEFMKZ3OCA/WCAR0BLRJ9XV?ref=idea_cp_vl_ov_d RetroPi Cab Class -- Idea List by Dwight A Spencer https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/PnlA0t63jHu6NQVFXrzCM_dztsiKYiTcnRW2gkZCXfk/https/images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81ClkOh2gpL._SS600_.jpg {Embed} https://www.instructables.com/id/Full-Size-Arcade-Cabinet-Using-Raspberry-Pi/ Full Size Arcade Cabinet Using Raspberry-Pi Full Size Arcade Cabinet Using Raspberry-Pi: How to build a full size MAME (Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator) Arcade Cabinet.I had wanted to build a arcade machine for a long time and was surprised how easy it was to build. My design is based on an instructable by ExperiMende... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/FRMAKvxWA6DBfKsRyRnFzWnEdsUcL9_cF_E85XQ-NIo/%3Fwidth%3D2100/https/cdn.instructables.com/ORIG/FG1/1FZS/JE94ODWR/FG11FZSJE94ODWR.jpg [6/25/2019 11:14 AM] talkers Looks legit [6/25/2019 8:46 PM] doug.emes Are u going g to schedule a meeting for the committee for June? [6/25/2019 9:24 PM] draco_the_drake Update: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-committee-report-06-2019/57983/3 {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/vcc-committee-report-06-2019/57983/3 VCC Committee Report 06/2019 Update @Team_VCC be aware that all of our classes got cancelled without warning or reason. Below is the updated classes: Build an Arcade Cabinet class: Midnight Hackers CTF: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/13148 Locksport 101 Same days, same times... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/wxSb04NOb8mTeBQM_QMHomhcNbLcNLVkJ6H5rNuXgmY/%3Fv%3D69kMELnXkB/https/c5.patreon.com/external/favicon/favicon-32x32.png [6/26/2019 8:48 AM] lavarocks. Interesting, I seem to remember giving a reason/explanation. This is exactly how rumors start. [6/26/2019 5:33 PM] talkers @doug.emes looking at 7/7. I wanted this next Sunday, but it needs to be 10 days out [6/26/2019 5:34 PM] talkers @Lavarocks yes, a reason was in the rejection. Not sure if Dwight got it though {Reactions} 😦 [6/26/2019 5:34 PM] canibalcrab Only elections need to be that far out [6/26/2019 5:37 PM] talkers @pearce thanks. Well, 5 days notice might still be too little for attendance [6/26/2019 5:37 PM] canibalcrab Yeah [6/27/2019 11:58 AM] denzukoatwork2317 no I didn't get a notice on the rejection or a reason. [6/27/2019 11:59 AM] denzukoatwork2317 where do we post that? email right? [6/27/2019 1:48 PM] mell.jpg It's been a while since I've seen my test cases for what members see when a rejection is given but yes I believe it would've come as part of the rejection email. [6/27/2019 2:28 PM] lavarocks. I'll submit a test Mell [6/27/2019 2:57 PM] denzukoatwork2317 ok. so then I'll need to set a filter in gmail to make sure it flags things like that. What's the address those rejection email come from? [6/27/2019 3:06 PM] stansimmons2031 @Lavarocks I just saw your test and rejected it. [6/27/2019 3:26 PM] lavarocks. {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306659373965508630/593899944960852010/Screenshot_20190627-152611_Gmail.jpg?ex=67b8e16d&is=67b78fed&hm=a5a5e67056789dfcec46386457522244c92c18bc67bad4f83d00c13c8b54ab1e& [6/27/2019 3:42 PM] stansimmons2031 Cool, what was the sender string? [6/27/2019 4:25 PM] lavarocks. Admin@dallasmakerspace.org [6/27/2019 4:33 PM] mell.jpg @Lavarocks yeah I just did a test earlier today too after I posted this. You can see it in the rejection list. Great minds or whatever. [6/27/2019 4:38 PM] lavarocks. Did you notice the typo in the rejection? I just noticed it and now I'm twitchy. Lol [6/27/2019 4:51 PM] michaelb5250 Even I noticed it! {Reactions} πŸ‘† [6/27/2019 7:37 PM] doug.emes I pity the fool who doesn't use my letter {Reactions} πŸ˜€ (2) [6/27/2019 9:27 PM] judykriehn3727 @Lavarocks shoulda used dejected. So dejected I’m rejected. [7/3/2019 10:01 AM] denzukoatwork2317 well.. just found a potential exploit of the calendar system that could lead to gaming the honorarium system. email+random@domain is not parsed thus treated like a new person [7/3/2019 10:02 AM] denzukoatwork2317 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306659373965508630/595992670133026849/Screen_Shot_2019-07-03_at_10.01.51_AM.png?ex=67b93e2d&is=67b7ecad&hm=ae2cdc32ed1046dd0611e729a1e0ae8255df67c4c85af2ff028e262b519e7527& [7/3/2019 10:02 AM] denzukoatwork2317 Zek Odun dwightaspencer+testacct@gmail.com 5129208169 No Confirmed View [7/3/2019 10:03 AM] denzukoatwork2317 I'm removing that one but its going on the back log of items in github to fix [7/3/2019 10:12 AM] denzukoatwork2317 https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar/issues/105 {Embed} https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar/issues/105 (bug) repeat users for a class may be inputed Β· Issue #105 Β· Dal... Expected Results Given one is not logged And one visits a class for the first time And one signs up with a similar email using the infinite google trick Then a new individual is added Given one is ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ITo4w4d0AAbib6KoqFCWr28DlNpOEUOWzQMSxDMvYw8/%3Fs%3D400%26v%3D4/https/avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/920460 [7/3/2019 10:15 AM] andrew5152 I feel stupid asking, but... how can you guard against this? Isn't this a "feature" of email? And... how does the calendar know that dwightaspencer+testacct@gmail.com is NOT valid and/or the same as {x}? [7/3/2019 10:16 AM] denzukoatwork2317 adding a validator to the model which uses regex: /\w+\\+.*@.*\\.{com|org|net|edu}/ [7/3/2019 10:17 AM] denzukoatwork2317 if the validator finds an entry that the regex returns true then there's an existing email/user registered [7/3/2019 10:18 AM] denzukoatwork2317 false then the validator allows the model to commit the record [7/3/2019 10:18 AM] denzukoatwork2317 most languages; a few lines of code [7/3/2019 10:20 AM] andrew5152 my (weak) regex-fu is overtaxed with that expression... what, roughly, in Englishish, is it checking? [7/3/2019 10:20 AM] denzukoatwork2317 ok how's your bnf? [7/3/2019 10:21 AM] denzukoatwork2317 "+" "@" [7/3/2019 10:21 AM] denzukoatwork2317 the delta here is we're expressly looking for the "+" instead of "@" {Reactions} πŸ‘ [7/3/2019 10:22 AM] andrew5152 ah. So a literal plus sign between the two s? [7/3/2019 10:22 AM] denzukoatwork2317 yes [7/3/2019 10:23 AM] denzukoatwork2317 the second gets ignored in context of testing if an entity exists [7/3/2019 10:24 AM] denzukoatwork2317 for identity its allowed if unique [7/3/2019 10:25 AM] andrew5152 I need an emoji beavis * butthead style where the lighter strikes over Beavis' head... [7/3/2019 10:25 AM] draco_the_drake draco+something@notgmail.com is valid and different than draco+somethingelse@notgmail.com A+Computer@notgmail.com A+Plumbing@notgmail.com [7/3/2019 10:28 AM] yashsedai ..... [7/3/2019 10:30 AM] denzukoatwork2317 @A. Spencer(jast) I know that scene. only if one can find the gif [7/3/2019 10:37 AM] andrew5152 Good point, Draco. And a more knowledgeable representation of what I was thinking... [7/3/2019 10:39 AM] andrew5152 PS: bnf? No idea, so I'll say.... Infinitesimal [7/3/2019 10:43 AM] draco_the_drake Also, many web hosting providers have a way to send all emails that are not defined on the domain to one address. It comes in handy to be able to make up email addresses on the fly because all emails not defined go into your email. [7/3/2019 10:45 AM] andrew5152 so when I use "dontwanntellya@aliceandbob.com" to sign up for services, some poor bastard at aliceandbob.com actually get an email? [7/3/2019 10:45 AM] draco_the_drake If they have it configured on their hosting provider .. yup [7/3/2019 10:46 AM] draco_the_drake It is a called a Default Email Address [7/3/2019 10:47 AM] draco_the_drake If you really want to be more secure on signups then have them verify via text message or something [7/3/2019 10:47 AM] draco_the_drake text back confirm [7/3/2019 10:47 AM] andrew5152 yep, but that's a whole new layer of shyte (or 3), I think [7/3/2019 10:47 AM] draco_the_drake I agree [7/3/2019 10:48 AM] hon1nbo @denzuko-at-work that regex is going to miss a *lot* of stuff. Heck, email addresses can even have multiple '@' characters that aren't a location reference. Email basically allows any ASCII character to the left of the right-most '@' character. Validators aren't supposed to attempt to validate that. As for someone gaming the system, they don't need to use the '+ [7/3/2019 10:48 AM] hon1nbo ' method; they could just sign up a new email [7/3/2019 10:49 AM] hon1nbo unless this gets them something specific and unique [7/3/2019 10:50 AM] hon1nbo https://haacked.com/archive/2007/08/21/i-knew-how-to-validate-an-email-address-until-i.aspx/ {Embed} https://haacked.com/archive/2007/08/21/i-knew-how-to-validate-an-email-address-until-i.aspx/ I Knew How To Validate An Email Address Until I Read The RFC You've been Haacked is a blog about Technology, Software, Management, and Open Source. It's full of good stuff. https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/bVxGff3eDMCsqE66PIMUZLct3DmKlYCNW5yElpBxh3k/%3Fs%3D160/https/2.gravatar.com/avatar/cdf546b601bf29a7eb4ca777544d11cd [7/3/2019 10:50 AM] hon1nbo great write up [7/3/2019 10:50 AM] draco_the_drake It will be hard pressed to actually get counted twice for attendance and really that is all that matters as far as honorarium ... unless you can be your own twin.... [7/3/2019 10:51 AM] draco_the_drake If the instructor is going to cheat .. they can just use anything [7/3/2019 10:51 AM] hon1nbo even with the '+', different providers treat it differently. Some providers it's a unique account, some like gmail it's a folder sorting thing [7/3/2019 10:51 AM] hon1nbo ^^ what Draco said [7/3/2019 10:55 AM] draco_the_drake If you want to make it complicated, you could use the text method and/or RFID scan method for members to verify that they are indeed real and only the real people could be counted for attendance .. But is this a real issue? I'm not convinced [7/3/2019 10:56 AM] andrew5152 except we need to accommodate non-members, too, right? [7/3/2019 10:57 AM] andrew5152 retinal scan for attendance? [7/3/2019 10:57 AM] draco_the_drake hence the text method ... [7/3/2019 10:57 AM] andrew5152 ah, misunderstood your intent on that. gotcha now [7/3/2019 11:18 AM] aceat64 Gmail ignores periods, so username@gmail and user.name@gmail go to the same place [7/3/2019 11:18 AM] aceat64 But if we disallowed periods in an email address, my work email would be invalid [7/3/2019 11:21 AM] stansimmons2031 I use the "." in the name for non-members to be able to re-register on Calendar if they accidentally hit the unregister button {Reactions} dms [7/3/2019 11:22 AM] draco_the_drake If someone wants to pick up the calendar software .. the development branch has a patch to allow non-paid registrations to reregister [7/3/2019 11:23 AM] draco_the_drake It was never integrated do to lack of testing [7/3/2019 11:23 AM] stansimmons2031 Brandon McClain has expressed an interest in doing so, I've asked him to contact @yashsedai for credentials [7/3/2019 11:24 AM] draco_the_drake It also shows if a class/event gives or requires an AD group [7/3/2019 11:24 AM] draco_the_drake Good to hear [7/3/2019 11:24 AM] stansimmons2031 Two very useful changes, thanks for coding those [7/3/2019 11:44 AM] doug.emes :+1: [7/5/2019 1:05 AM] doug.emes https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B07HT8MZ7S/ [7/5/2019 1:30 PM] stansimmons2031 It's an 800 x 480 screen... but not bad for $85 [7/6/2019 5:13 PM] doug.emes Yeah for a crash cart styke [7/6/2019 5:14 PM] doug.emes Not quite disposable but it, a cheap webcam, and a dms laptop for a teach anywhere at the space setup [7/7/2019 3:30 PM] doug.emes See yall at 4 [7/7/2019 7:05 PM] doug.emes Minutes posted on wiki {Reactions} πŸ‘ (2) [9/6/2019 1:14 PM] stephenie. Pasting @yashsedai's thoughts: *"Might suggest they start with the basics. Keeping the classrooms stocked with tables and chairs so they don't have to be shuffled between rooms. Projectors permanently mounted in the rooms."* [9/6/2019 1:15 PM] yashsedai If help is needed in procuring projectors or mounts all someone needs to do is ask [9/6/2019 1:15 PM] stephenie. @Draco Win is Win Shields. [9/6/2019 1:15 PM] draco_the_drake I guess I've never met the person [9/6/2019 1:15 PM] nullinterface I'd also like to see those space-inefficient Z-racks replaced with wall-mounted whiteboards [9/6/2019 1:16 PM] nullinterface I am tempted to take a sawzall to those things [9/6/2019 1:16 PM] stephenie. He teaches film industry and scriptwriting classes. Says he's a producer. {Reactions} πŸ‘Œ [9/6/2019 1:16 PM] draco_the_drake I would say that if we are going to accuse someone of abusing the calendar or classrooms, we need to have some policy in place defining that [9/6/2019 1:17 PM] draco_the_drake Something we can also talk about [9/6/2019 1:17 PM] stephenie. That's the issue. [9/6/2019 1:17 PM] stephenie. He's well within our lack of policy [9/6/2019 1:18 PM] nullinterface the Z-racks are moderately useful as mobile whiteboards out in the workshop [9/6/2019 1:18 PM] stephenie. There are no boundaries [9/6/2019 1:18 PM] nullinterface I recall an attempt at a rubric circa 2017 that was met with much screeching [9/6/2019 1:19 PM] draco_the_drake We do have *some* boundaries ... we have a tiered system of who gets the room ... and we have certain classes that are inappropriate ... this really needs to be discussed and proposed to the Education committee and get some classroom policy [9/6/2019 1:19 PM] andrew5152 yeah. Everything is someone's sacred cow [9/6/2019 1:20 PM] nullinterface thus my skepticism given my recollection that some of the *movers and shakers* in Education were doing the screeching [9/6/2019 1:20 PM] yashsedai I think that is the issue here. Education is the roadblock to their success with exceptions [9/6/2019 1:21 PM] yashsedai We can discuss this till people are blue in the face. There is no motivation for any of it to change. [9/6/2019 1:22 PM] draco_the_drake We need to define the problem before we develop the solution [9/6/2019 1:22 PM] draco_the_drake What is the issue with Win's classes, for example [9/6/2019 1:22 PM] yashsedai The problem is clearly defined [9/6/2019 1:22 PM] draco_the_drake not to me [9/6/2019 1:22 PM] draco_the_drake please explain [9/6/2019 1:22 PM] yashsedai What part of one class taking up 4 nights of prime time classroom is hard? [9/6/2019 1:22 PM] yashsedai It provides no benefit to us [9/6/2019 1:22 PM] yashsedai It eats prime classroom space [9/6/2019 1:23 PM] draco_the_drake Is there room for other classes? Do the classes support our mission? [9/6/2019 1:24 PM] yashsedai Considering are mission is open to vast interpretation, thats irrelevant. [9/6/2019 1:24 PM] yashsedai As for room for other classes, how would you know if the space is taken up consistently [9/6/2019 1:25 PM] draco_the_drake *quirks head* ... if the mission is irrelevant, what are we doing here? I'm not saying the mission statement either [9/6/2019 1:25 PM] yashsedai I know what I'm doing here.... [9/6/2019 1:25 PM] draco_the_drake We might have to update the mission statement [9/6/2019 1:25 PM] draco_the_drake to match what we are now here for [9/6/2019 1:26 PM] canibalcrab That's not the goal [9/6/2019 1:26 PM] canibalcrab You wanted to make guidelines and now you say we should change the mission instead [9/6/2019 1:26 PM] draco_the_drake It is important because ... this is in the rules "Scheduled classes/events should uphold our Mission Statement" [9/6/2019 1:26 PM] nullinterface wow. my skepticism from ~2 years ago is playing out again before my eyes. [9/6/2019 1:27 PM] canibalcrab Yep [9/6/2019 1:28 PM] stephenie. Oh god. Why do I even bother. [9/6/2019 1:28 PM] canibalcrab One issue with his classes is that he pushes other classes out of the primetime slots, doesn't have many members taking them [9/6/2019 1:28 PM] canibalcrab Much like six sigma did, pulling in random strangers who like to look down on us [9/6/2019 1:28 PM] draco_the_drake What classes is he pushing? That was my first question, are their avaliable rooms for other classes [9/6/2019 1:28 PM] canibalcrab He only uses us as a free meeting space [9/6/2019 1:29 PM] draco_the_drake if the answer is no .. that makes it more imporatnt [9/6/2019 1:29 PM] canibalcrab His "acting / writing" classes [9/6/2019 1:29 PM] draco_the_drake I'm not certain that is actually part of our mission ... [9/6/2019 1:30 PM] draco_the_drake but it *may* be complementary to Digital Media [9/6/2019 1:30 PM] canibalcrab So everyone says a person can just ask him to move, but the population of the space is least likely to want to deal with that potential conflict of asking someone to inconvenience themselves by moving [9/6/2019 1:30 PM] canibalcrab That goes for any class [9/6/2019 1:30 PM] draco_the_drake Well, what should the policy be? [9/6/2019 1:31 PM] canibalcrab I don't believe we would ever actually remove a class when the schedule was full up, even if a better suited class showed up. [9/6/2019 1:31 PM] canibalcrab That's what was being asked of education when you said we should change the mission instead [9/6/2019 1:32 PM] draco_the_drake I'm saying that we should change the mission to what we actually are doing instead of some vague thing [9/6/2019 1:33 PM] yashsedai Wait, wait! I have a proposal! [9/6/2019 1:33 PM] draco_the_drake Does it involved potatos? [9/6/2019 1:34 PM] yashsedai Sweet Potatoes [9/6/2019 1:34 PM] draco_the_drake lol [9/6/2019 1:34 PM] yashsedai mmmm, lurve me some sweet potatoes [9/6/2019 1:34 PM] andrew5152 Wasn't there some kind of "waiting list" in the works? Kinda like to see that for teaching space, too. That might help us go "why has basket weaving been waiting for 2 weeks"? "because it needs 35 seats, but the Interactive is always filled with Acting classes" "Oh." "Let's fix that..." Right now, we have no idea what, if anything, letting someone use this as personal studio space is displacing. But, there I go, adding to the problems instead of offering any solutions [9/6/2019 1:35 PM] yashsedai I think a waiting list is possible but it would be better if driven by something [9/6/2019 1:35 PM] draco_the_drake Yes there was a queue in the works for some classes [9/6/2019 1:35 PM] yashsedai As it stands currently, we can't get people to put up classes due to blue flu [9/6/2019 1:35 PM] yashsedai That and major disinformation campaigns [9/6/2019 1:35 PM] andrew5152 "blue flu"? [9/6/2019 1:36 PM] yashsedai I think a completely reasonable course of action would be that Education head up "educating" the teachers that there are no restrictions on classes being put on the calendar, etc [9/6/2019 1:36 PM] draco_the_drake sorry ... can't give any disinformation for only $25 [9/6/2019 1:36 PM] andrew5152 and I know stuff has cooled because (my opinion) many folks are confused about just excatly what the hell is going on [9/6/2019 1:36 PM] andrew5152 and that's partly because, board down, nobody knows [9/6/2019 1:36 PM] yashsedai Blue flue is a reference to police calling out sick en masse to protest a policy decision they didnt care, happens quite a bit in union localities {Reactions} πŸ‘Œ [9/6/2019 1:36 PM] lavarocks. I fully expect a post about this on talk by end of day [9/6/2019 1:37 PM] yashsedai oh? [9/6/2019 1:37 PM] andrew5152 because the proposal is still being looked at... [9/6/2019 1:37 PM] yashsedai What are we posting? [9/6/2019 1:37 PM] lavarocks. It is prime for the disinformation campains {Reactions} 😐 [9/6/2019 1:37 PM] yashsedai lol yes [9/6/2019 1:37 PM] lavarocks. I'm not posting anything [9/6/2019 1:37 PM] yashsedai what will be said? [9/6/2019 1:37 PM] draco_the_drake Can ya'll take this out of Education ? [9/6/2019 1:37 PM] lavarocks. No [9/6/2019 1:37 PM] yashsedai can we write our own disinfo? [9/6/2019 1:38 PM] draco_the_drake Damn LOL [9/6/2019 1:38 PM] draco_the_drake I'm thinking outer space mexicans [9/6/2019 1:39 PM] canibalcrab Arguably education should be *educating* people on how the honorarium system works currently. {Reactions} πŸ‘ (4) [9/6/2019 1:39 PM] draco_the_drake Yes I agree [9/6/2019 1:39 PM] draco_the_drake We need a pamphlet for teachers [9/6/2019 1:40 PM] draco_the_drake or people wanting to become teachers [9/6/2019 1:40 PM] yashsedai So when can we expect to have one? [9/6/2019 1:40 PM] draco_the_drake There is no such thing as outer space mexicans ... or are you talking about the pamphlets? [9/6/2019 1:40 PM] yashsedai Well as outer space mexicans are racist, i'd be talking about the pamphlets [9/6/2019 1:40 PM] draco_the_drake I will have to talk to the committee and see what we can come up with [9/6/2019 1:41 PM] draco_the_drake Racist? hmmm [9/6/2019 1:42 PM] yashsedai 🍠 [9/6/2019 1:42 PM] canibalcrab Yeah I'm not sure what you meant by it but my first reaction was to delete that post [9/6/2019 1:45 PM] nullinterface I had a framework at one point. can't find it any more. [9/6/2019 1:46 PM] nullinterface ah here we go: https://dms-discourse-static.s3.amazonaws.com/original/2X/a/a5c2655e518eb14aa700d4e58097e2d32b4e1920.pdf [9/6/2019 1:46 PM] nullinterface *score* classes or events using standardized criteria [9/6/2019 1:47 PM] nullinterface I recall the rage at this was ~80% *how dare you reduce precious DMS education down to gameable **numbers!*** [9/6/2019 1:48 PM] nullinterface <20% was useful feedback on the specifics of the framework or alternative means of assessment [9/6/2019 1:49 PM] canibalcrab The time length could probably be refocused [9/6/2019 1:51 PM] lavarocks. Doug had to put up several of the meetings recently. [9/6/2019 1:51 PM] lavarocks. Where has John been [9/6/2019 1:52 PM] canibalcrab 60 or less (-1) 60-120(0) 120-180(-1) 180+ (-2) Maybe? The goal would be to stay in the 1-2 hour range [9/6/2019 1:52 PM] canibalcrab But I don't know how that changes the rest of the system [9/6/2019 1:56 PM] nullinterface it's not the specific weights so much as it was to develop categories to judge calendar entries by [9/6/2019 1:57 PM] nullinterface introduce the concept of a *standardized assessment* of calendar events in the event of a conflict and we decide that maybe an organizational meeting is more important than anime club holding a marathon screening of all episodes of Inu Yasha [9/6/2019 1:57 PM] yashsedai lololol [9/6/2019 1:59 PM] canibalcrab But how will we find out what happens to the shinigami world and the internal power struggle within [9/6/2019 2:02 PM] nullinterface crunchyroll-dot-com or some sh_t [9/6/2019 2:06 PM] lavarocks. Well next week I'm taking that lecture hall. [9/6/2019 2:06 PM] lavarocks. Dammit [9/6/2019 2:10 PM] stephenie. Madam President, please do. [9/6/2019 2:11 PM] yashsedai Let me know I can get it on YouTube [9/6/2019 2:13 PM] lavarocks. I need some robotic Dobermans [9/7/2019 6:45 AM] judykriehn3727 Lara is no gentleman. [9/7/2019 2:13 PM] doug.emes I'll be driving in Colorado still later today. [9/9/2019 9:22 AM] lavarocks. Are there minutes from the meeting? [9/9/2019 10:19 AM] draco_the_drake Yes .. I think someone named Joe was taking them [9/9/2019 10:19 AM] draco_the_drake @john a gorman ... I can't remember his name [9/9/2019 9:44 PM] sinless5555 @Robodude919 [9/9/2019 10:04 PM] robodude919 Hey! I took minutes but I wouldn't say I was good at it. I sent them to John Gorman in case they needed reformatting. [9/9/2019 10:04 PM] yashsedai can you post them here? [9/10/2019 7:06 AM] doug.emes There is a wiki entry preformatted, you can just paste them raw into it, and we can clean it up [9/10/2019 7:31 AM] robodude919 {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306659373965508630/620959482276741140/Education_Committee_Meeting_9.7.19_No_Emails.docx?ex=67b91ad5&is=67b7c955&hm=e4cacf6ef3f7297ec4134753a5a188e99b3b0d5170afbc9fc843fe099dfd4183& [9/10/2019 8:15 AM] nullinterface the current template : https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Committee_Meeting_(Blank) {Embed} https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Committee_Meeting_(Blank) Committee Meeting (Blank) [9/10/2019 8:23 AM] doug.emes See already use our own but thanks [9/10/2019 8:23 AM] doug.emes We not see [9/10/2019 8:26 AM] nullinterface every committee their own idea of "minutes" now ... small wonder the bookkeeper is so confused as to what's authorized and what's not {Reactions} πŸ‘ (2) [9/10/2019 9:26 AM] stephenie. From minutes: *"Will need to make a push to get the old printmaking room back."* Is that currently in use as Logisitic's project storage purgatory, @pearce and @AGr? [9/10/2019 9:31 AM] yashsedai that is correct [9/10/2019 9:32 AM] yashsedai Why does education believe that they need the old printmaking room back? [9/10/2019 9:34 AM] nullinterface Presumably that Bad Planβ„’ of a sub-ceiling-height wall is going to be taken down, thus making that space part of the interactive room again [9/10/2019 9:34 AM] nullinterface I recall the fire marshal making mention of it at some point but have no documentation offhand [9/10/2019 9:34 AM] yashsedai aye [9/10/2019 11:43 AM] nullinterface thus, *project purgatory* will relocate once the demo has been arranged. but I don't expect that to happen anytime well in advance of that time. [9/10/2019 12:54 PM] canibalcrab Especially considering how effective it's been for storage. [10/29/2019 10:27 AM] michaelb5250 @doug.emes Will you be around the space this evening? Love to talk about what gets filmed this weekend [10/29/2019 10:42 AM] doug.emes Yes find me in the weekly RBNO in interactive most of the evening [11/2/2019 10:00 PM] yashsedai Great job this evening Doug! [11/2/2019 10:48 PM] doug.emes Thank you will have minutes up tomorrow [11/19/2019 6:43 PM] kenpurcell Where is the meeting tonight? [11/19/2019 6:51 PM] limeytx Which meeting? [11/19/2019 6:54 PM] kenpurcell My understanding is that there is a meeting about education this evening [11/19/2019 11:32 PM] doug.emes There was a meeting with officers and coordinators that board members were also attending [12/20/2019 8:32 PM] doug.emes Will post minutes tomorrow, typing up room inventories etc {Reactions} ❀️ (2) [1/19/2020 10:26 AM] michaelb5250 @doug.emes a little premature since we still need board approval, but we talked a bit about a training plan for the new epilog at the meeting. We think the best thing is to do an online supplement, so if you've taken 101 or 102 you can watch some training content, maybe take a short quiz, and that clears you for the fusion. Does that sound possible? [1/19/2020 10:44 AM] doug.emes Absolutely [1/19/2020 11:40 AM] michaelb5250 Awesome. When we get approval I'll probably have more questions about how to do that, but for now at least we have a good answer for the question of training. [1/19/2020 11:44 AM] doug.emes Whats your availability next weekend? I'll schedule and event and demonstrate the tools I use for maki ng courses [1/19/2020 12:04 PM] michaelb5250 I mean you don't need to, I think I missed the last one so that's on me. But I am available next weekend, let me check with Kris first since she's been wanting to convert 101 for a long time. [1/19/2020 12:49 PM] doug.emes Lemme know Monday night? I only am planning on attending the mini paint class ,(collision wise) [1/19/2020 1:05 PM] michaelb5250 Will do, I just messaged her about it. [1/20/2020 6:34 PM] michaelb5250 @doug.emes We're good with either 12-2 saturday or 1-3 sunday, which works best for you? [1/20/2020 7:59 PM] doug.emes Check9 ng [1/20/2020 8:01 PM] doug.emes Sunday 1to3 [1/20/2020 8:02 PM] doug.emes I can create the event [1/20/2020 8:15 PM] doug.emes https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/15117 [1/20/2020 8:19 PM] doug.emes Made talk post. Will update wiki tomorrow [1/20/2020 9:18 PM] michaelb5250 That's great! Thank you [1/26/2020 12:53 PM] michaelb5250 @doug.emes running about 10 minutes late, sorry [1/26/2020 2:38 PM] doug.emes Thanks all for attending [3/14/2020 4:35 PM] doug.emes Update. Computing lab work ongoing ngf this weekend. Will be allocating the new to us chairs for that room only. [3/14/2020 4:42 PM] hon1nbo @doug.emes I believe there are already enough chairs in the room [3/14/2020 4:42 PM] hon1nbo Also any idea what the wood leaning on the wall in here is for? [3/14/2020 4:43 PM] doug.emes It dates back to ca departure. Was goi g to be for a large table [3/14/2020 4:43 PM] doug.emes Re chairs. The short stacks need to go back to interactive, and all the theater chairs need to go home to lecture [3/14/2020 4:53 PM] doug.emes Posted on volunteer oopty [3/14/2020 5:49 PM] hon1nbo Awesome [3/14/2020 9:11 PM] hon1nbo @doug.emes what should I do with the wood? [3/15/2020 1:22 PM] doug.emes I'll talk with joe and get an answer by Tuesday [3/18/2020 2:36 PM] doug.emes Thanks @aceat64 for the calendar edit. [3/18/2020 2:36 PM] aceat64 np [4/13/2020 11:45 PM] doug.emes @pearce didja mean to lock me out of comm chairs? [4/14/2020 12:08 AM] canibalcrab :ThinkMultiply: [4/14/2020 12:08 AM] canibalcrab I think I reset roles a while back [4/14/2020 12:34 AM] yashsedai Aye ye did [4/14/2020 12:38 AM] doug.emes ==> looks over at right side of discord screen, showing officer 2, board 1, chais 2 (including me) [4/14/2020 12:39 AM] doug.emes and its avail again, thanks to the powers that be [7/21/2020 11:05 PM] doug.emes I'll not be putting my name back in for consideration at this time for education coordinator. My family is high risk for covid, so I cannot be at the space very much. Happy to communicate remotely and offer assistance to the next. {Reactions} πŸ‘ (2) [7/23/2020 11:18 AM] hardsuit Dies Education have any input into what they'd want on the streaming cart proposal? Gonna be putting the request up on the August BoD meeting agenda [7/23/2020 11:31 AM] doug.emes I've commented on the google doc, and certainly am pro using the kiosk approach of it always being ready. [7/23/2020 3:19 PM] hardsuit Google doc? [7/23/2020 3:20 PM] hardsuit I didn't make one, and am unaware of any parallel documents [7/23/2020 5:47 PM] skyspook I had linked one earlier of a draft, but it's really of no consequence [7/23/2020 5:47 PM] skyspook It was just a description of the reasoning for it [7/29/2020 6:00 PM] doug.emes https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/smu-cox-free-webinar-tomorrow-leading-change-in-volatile-times/73546 {Reactions} ❀️ [9/11/2020 2:29 AM] doug.emes re: streaming cart... not the same thing, but I REALLY enjoyed watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZANDiX18gk {Embed} MAKE. ART. NOW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZANDiX18gk I built a one man film crew. Here's how. Yo, go to https://www.squarespace.com/makeartnow to save 10% off your first purchase website, and starting selling those digital assets! Watch Anamorphia now that you know what I filmed it with... and be sure to tell Caleb@DSLR Video Shooter I said thanks for the inspiratio... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/N7MeETDjvwoLjwVMHG070TGRLqlQfJaeHE21p0HDwd0/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/rZANDiX18gk/maxresdefault.jpg [9/11/2020 9:43 PM] hardsuit This one's pretty good for basic lighting info and gear on the cheap ( home depot) {Reactions} πŸ‘ [9/11/2020 9:43 PM] hardsuit https://youtu.be/U61AA-CTc5c {Embed} Potato Jet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U61AA-CTc5c Cheap DIY Video Lights from Home Depot?! Skillshare Free Trial! - https://skl.sh/potatojet7 My Beginners Course on Filming with ANY camera! - https://bit.ly/2ZkYHP9 My Course on Making Epic Online Content - https://bit.ly/2KLXFYu LUTs for COLOR GRADING - https://bit.ly/2kRMCSZ PotatoJet Stuff - https://www.potatojet.... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/Z-Y5_Bfi6IKgtWLEyf-0IlP4VwGe-tVXjebnPaXUqvY/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/U61AA-CTc5c/maxresdefault.jpg [9/17/2020 9:42 AM] hardsuit Streaming/streaming cart SIG. Thoughts? Thinking we need to form one to build up teachers, create classes and procedures, maintain the cart hardware, etc [9/17/2020 9:43 AM] hardsuit Would like to have the first of several train the teachers classes by mid October at the latest. {Reactions} πŸ‘ (3) [9/17/2020 9:58 AM] hon1nbo I'm in [9/17/2020 9:59 AM] hon1nbo Also, as promised, I have a stream deck to donate to it [9/17/2020 9:59 AM] hon1nbo If it ends up using OBS {Reactions} ❀️ [9/17/2020 11:25 AM] hardsuit StreamDeck doesn't work with StreamlabsOBS? [9/17/2020 11:27 AM] canibalcrab Doesn't streamlabs want a subscription now [9/17/2020 11:28 AM] canibalcrab I went back to regular obs [9/17/2020 11:28 AM] canibalcrab But I switched back because streamlabs was eating ram [9/17/2020 11:36 AM] doug.emes yes it supports {Attachments} https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306659373965508630/756191969268596976/unknown.png?ex=67b95466&is=67b802e6&hm=9c971741b98bc5ef965a202ba0dabe953793bcdd89ffd717f668067f5e410500& [9/17/2020 11:37 AM] doug.emes on my personal machine when I plug it in i get to also run hwinfo64 which has been AWESOME to track temp and core freq etc [9/17/2020 11:42 AM] hardsuit Something to discuss as I/we build out the system [9/17/2020 11:42 AM] doug.emes πŸ‘ [9/17/2020 11:44 AM] doug.emes i picked up a sudotack boom arm mic, theres probably a dozen plus vendors selling similar items, 192kHz, USB2, metal housing, sound is improved over my jabra commercial headset [9/17/2020 12:05 PM] hardsuit Got that in the list with two items from monoprice {Reactions} πŸ‘ [9/18/2020 1:47 PM] hardsuit When would be a good time for a Google meet to talk on streaming needs? Thinking Wednesday evening for to start right now, but will have multiple opportunities over next month or so {Reactions} πŸ‘ [9/25/2020 6:35 PM] doug.emes https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/best-online-courses/ Published Sep 21, 2020 {Embed} https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/best-online-courses/ The 200 Best Free Online Courses of All Time (Based on the Data - 2... Every year Class Central [https://www.classcentral.com/] releases a list of the Best Free Online Courses Of All Time [https://www.classcentral.com/collection/top-free-online-courses], based on tens of thousands of user reviews. This year, thanks to a growing number of reviews... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/cL4FF5pPAdh0lKUTMhZzvgPzYwNeuoExrx3kR1yTTCg/https/www.freecodecamp.org/news/content/images/2020/09/all-time-best-online-courses.png {Reactions} πŸ‘ [10/4/2020 8:10 PM] skyspook https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/moodle-learn-dallasmakerspace-org/75499 -- Thinking of doing a "this is the basics of getting things onto moodle" class (though not an expert on moodle... yet). Feel free to chime in. {Embed} https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/moodle-learn-dallasmakerspace-org/75499 Moodle - Learn.DallasMakerspace.org Hi All! Last week we upgraded and resurrected the https://learn.dallasmakerspace.org platform, running Moodle LMS. There’s been a lot of interest, which is awesome! An existing 3D Fab course for the PolyPrinter basics is already up, and several committees have already asked ... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/I4_EedIDX0BjqrznQWWDFVury0feLFBlQTwMKQACnF4/https/dms-discourse-static.s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/f/7/f70cced1563c2e6c3aab1a7cbef3cfba5d1983fe.png {Reactions} πŸ‘ (3) [10/19/2020 9:23 PM] doug.emes a different make art now video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjbt-webmdg {Embed} MAKE. ART. NOW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjbt-webmdg I built a self automated YouTube studio. Yo, go to https://www.squarespace.com/makeartnow to save 10% off your first purchase website, and starting selling those digital assets! Passcode: MAKEARTNOW BEST WIRELESS CAMERA SECURITY SYSTEM (Get two free motion sensors with the kit below) https://bit.ly/2SluI8s BROAD L... https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/fDlvfOrJIaLJIf5luQW2e5aLA_5F_rpKxXe9pAvIcFE/https/i.ytimg.com/vi/bjbt-webmdg/maxresdefault.jpg [3/15/2021 3:38 AM] doug.emes example of some quick work in descript to make an audiogram: https://share.descript.com/view/gVQyLq0c9mh {Embed} Douglas Emes https://share.descript.com/view/gVQyLq0c9mh Overdub times 3 example for Lasers - Descript This is the Don Announcer voice in Descript, and this audiogram will demonstrate 3 separate additional voices. They are Henry, Emily, and a synthetic version of Doug Emes created from reading 15 min https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/rC3o8Fwcl3fnnsuYfwDSSz0223_Fs7VLzAC44DKFXmg/https/d1d3n03t5zntha.cloudfront.net/f4410d25-91ce-4c6f-bdae-6606d0004f97/media_stream-aa76c63110d942598f5dba0a8833dbe4.jpg [3/15/2021 9:18 AM] kenpurcell 🦈 [3/15/2021 10:01 AM] judykriehn3727 Why are you awake at 3:30 am?😳 [3/26/2021 11:32 PM] lastcoolnameleft @doug.emes That's pretty neat! That could be a good way to do training for thelab.ms [6/1/2021 5:16 PM] doug.emes FYHI OBS released major version 27.0 today, can be downloaded directly from GITHUB https://github.com/obsproject/obs-studio/releases/download/27.0.0/OBS-Studio-27.0-Full-Installer-x64.exe or from their website probably tonight or tomorrow. [6/1/2021 5:28 PM] talkers Big release? [1/25/2023 2:55 PM] chadpursley I am not sure what Education committee is, but if there are teachers here I wanted to let you know about a resource. I have been adding some classes to KERA and have been told by participants that they read my events on the radio for Art&Seek. https://artandseek.org/calendar/organization/5447/dallas-makerspace {Embed} https://artandseek.org/calendar/organization/5447/dallas-makerspace https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/dWTOvh_zXo2GQ_Db90mCJCFetdDZQUv6DPe3G4VVgMg/https/artandseek.org/calendar/images/organizations/5447.1.jpg ============================================================== Exported 652 message(s) ==============================================================