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I’m Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite chat on the citadel
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FYI 3 iPads arrived today I will get them into DMS tonight to get them installed
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anyone else getting annoyed by the who's online thing?
1:59 PM
it lags out my browser for a few frames just moving my mouse past it
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I already made my argument against it. Brooks seems to think it works fine on desktop so im wrong thinking it's garbage on mobile
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"member list" toggles on and off on the desktop by clicking the cozy couple next to the search. Just looked - the couple of heads to the right of the magnifying glass top right on my iPad. (That's what you're talking about, right?)
3:51 PM
this thingy
3:52 PM
it expands when you hover over it too, and if enough people are online it goes to a second line
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Ah. Yeah. Wouldn't let me go for whatever reason. I noticed I was showing up even when I wasn't logged in.
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I think it just shows whoever was seen in the last _ minutes
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Ah. That would explain it.
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Five minutes, Andrew... 😉 I'm indifferent about it myself. It works perfectly fine using Chrome, Firefox, and the Android Internet browser on my Samsung Galaxy S7. No odd behavior or performance issues. It also works fine on my really sucky 2 GB RAM laptop... But again, I'm pretty much indifferent about that particular plugin myself. Since some members seem to like it while others don't, and since it's an optional "enhancement" type of plugin, perhaps we should post a poll to allow the members who use TALK the opportunity to vote on whether they feel it enhances their experience or makes it better...??? A very simple, "keep it" or "don't keep it" poll for a week, perhaps?
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I'm talking about this thingy up top. [image] I've heard some arguments for it, some arguments against it, and a whole lot of "oh, I never noticed that". It's an optional plugin to Discourse, but before we go and disable it, I'd like to get a feel for what people think of the feature. I like it I don't like it I'm indifferent 0voters Show results
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looks like the majority are in "don't like it" and "indifferent"
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👍 kewl Thanks for posting it... :) Did you set an expiration date on the thread or anything? Or just going to let it roll for the week or ? It's kewl to have a poll that is being used and not turning into any type of drama... 😄 (edited)
9:12 PM
I had a typo... I can't see if the edit history can be pulled up or not... 🤔
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I haven't set an expiration
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Okie dokie... I'm posting a reply right now... I'll add a blurb about closing it in a week. Thx again :)
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@aceat64
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The ratios change every couple of hours of course, but I just had to share this with you hehe
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That's pretty funny. The only poll to not stir up drama and it's completely split.
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FYI there was an API upgrade on smart waiver we may need to make some changes in 2018
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I was looking at WHMCS and saw we are on an old version of PHP 5.6
1:29 PM
Any reason not to update?
1:30 PM
Also have 7.35 curl installed which has vulnerabilities
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WHMCS didn't support newer versions of PHP
1:35 PM
it might now
1:35 PM
curl is kept up-to-date by the package management system
1:35 PM
it has backported patches
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whens the next infra meeting?
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Cool if you have time if you could take a look whmcs was quite upset about it when I logged in one day
3:47 PM
Also Andrew do you know if you have any storage arrays being decommed?
3:47 PM
Or something with some CPU for another Blue iris server
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I'll check with IT
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StanSimmons 4/12/2017 5:26 PM
Andrew, Mike Kelp and I have some questions about WHMCS, when is the next time that you plan on being up at DMS and will have an hour or so available?
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I'm heading up in a bit for the moderator meeting, may have some time before it
6:40 PM
Or after if it doesn't explode into a whole thing
6:40 PM
Or during, if it does
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Alex Rhodes 4/13/2017 9:46 AM
What's with the group ".Needs Repair" in AD?
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StanSimmons 4/13/2017 12:59 PM
That is some that I'm doing research on... the are ones that got the GUID tacked on the the end of their names and duplicated. It is just a placeholder group.
1:03 PM
I had already deleted the dups that had the GUID tacked on, because they were causing login issues. I still don't know why they sometimes get created.
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Alex Rhodes 4/13/2017 1:42 PM
Looks like those didn't get added to members group. So maybe in the process of adding it to the member group it fucks up and creates the guid ones.
1:43 PM
Just a guess at this point.
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StanSimmons 4/13/2017 3:06 PM
Fixed the "Members" group for those.
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Hoping on this channel since Lisa suggested. we were discussing new PC's for the space
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@clk had computer spec questions. do we still have a standard base build for PCs or is it too old?
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The Intel® NUC Kit NUC6i7KYK features an Intel® Core™ i7 processor, Iris™ Pro graphics, a redesigned chassis, and full-sized performance for gaming.
3:23 PM
I mean they'd be about as good if not better than our current systems, except for digital media
3:23 PM
also they give you the STEP files for the cover so you can 3D print your own I thought that's pretty neat
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thats a cool feature that costs them nothing
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excatly, it's gamer marketed but I think anything decent will be because graphics power
3:25 PM
actual workstations are hella expensive because they opt to quadro gpu's
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its got the same graphics card problems though
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at least the skull canyon version has a more powerful intel graphics
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@lukeiamyourfather may have some opinions
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StanSimmons 4/13/2017 3:28 PM
I've had problems with NUC's at one of my customers who has dust problems similar to ours... Not gonna recommend them for DMS even though they are neat little computers
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3d fab at least kisslicer needs RAM. Meshmixer is about the same it's CPU calculations
3:30 PM
the jump server doesn't seem to have any GPU support so.
3:30 PM
yeah same issue with dust I understand. the plasmacam pc has shop towels inserted into the fan ducsts not sure how that's working but it's a cheap solution
3:31 PM
there was talk of dedicated design/CAD PC's in the common room but we couldn't police them
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lukeiamyourfather 4/13/2017 3:38 PM
Nucs are not a good fit for our needs IMHO
3:38 PM
I can put together a list of what I think would be a good build for DMS that's customizable per committee as needed
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luke the 8 core cpu made a huge difference in slicing
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Huh? What? I've clearly not kept up. All I know is that RAM is my friend for both video and photo editing. I'd think at least 8 as a minimum standard and then 16 and 32 sprinkled around like it is now.
10:37 PM
Face it, DMS computers are mostly used for checking online social media accounts.
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the computers we've built before always had at least 16GB of RAM I think
11:03 PM
at least they did when I was building them
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Only if they where 64 bit
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they were
11:34 PM
I don't think I've ever built a 32bit PC for the space
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plasma cam pc is win 10 32bit somehow
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StanSimmons 4/14/2017 2:12 AM
If I remember right, the Plasma Cam PC is an old dual core that doesn't support 64bit
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There are a couple of computers in CA that only have 8 (or 9!) mb of RAM.
7:09 AM
So 64bit is a goal for a couple of machines. I notice from an earlier thread on talk that I missed a machine in Aero, too.
7:12 AM
Do we have room room for second monitors anywhere? I know that in theory DM could use them for editing.
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@StanSimmons that little computer I set up in the back of the common room is 64 bit, isn't it? Could it be swapped out for the Plasma Cam in #metal_shop? Or isn't there one more setup still stashed?
7:36 AM
At the rate it's going, we may or may not see the extra i5s.
7:38 AM
Oh, and I missed the plasma cam machine in my walkabout the other day. Will work on a solid list of machines later this weekend... Will all of them let me sign in to check hardware specifics or are some restricted for sign in due to training requirements?
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StanSimmons 4/14/2017 7:53 AM
Standard logins will let you choose properties on "My Computer" or "This PC" to see what version and how much RAM.
7:55 AM
The Plasma Cam hardware requires an LPT port, most modern machines do not have one.
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The commodore 128 in the vintage computer committee has 128kb of ram
12:14 PM
Btw Dwight got an SD card adapter that emulates a floppy drive for it so you can store BASIC programs
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Haven't heard from the guy with the computer stash yet about bringing some in on Sunday. I'd say it's looking slim...
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Woke up this morning to several subjects walking about to different categories on Talk. It's like the logisitcs chair gained moderator privileges overnight.
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A couple of new categories have been added, as a result some threads were moved to more appropriate categories. It's like the person who has had the primary responsibility to manage the forum continued to use their privileges as has been the case since before you ever joined.
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There can't possibly be any modern systems with 8 mb of ram :)
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Maybe if they got it from rent a center
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I suddenly feel much better about the blazing fast 2 GB RAM on my laptop now 😎
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My phone has more RAM than your laptop :p
11:48 PM
Why do you think I use my phone more often than my laptop - even when I'm logged into and sitting in front of my laptop! 😜
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Btw, I've got lte but just barely out on this mountain
11:48 PM
Might drop off suddenly
11:48 PM
ENJOY!!!!!!! /jealous
11:51 PM
I just checked the RAM on my phone... 4 GB. No wonder it's better and faster than my laptop! LOLLOLLOL 😂
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StanSimmons 4/18/2017 1:33 PM
I've got an RFQ out to TWC/Spectrum for backup and/or replacement internet service. We'll see what they have to offer. I've asked for both low-end failover service and high-end replacement service quotes. My understanding is that TWC has fiber to our MDF at the back of the building already. Our pfsense router can easily handle failover to another carrier. Vpn on failover is problematic but we could easily do failover for browsing, etc. to keep the rioting down when there are internet outages.
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How are we supposed to get our exercise if we aren't prompted to riot now and then?
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LukeStrickland 4/19/2017 10:19 AM
I'm going to be fixing some of the lights tonight around the DMS, starting with the laser area, does anyone have any specific requests?
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/19/2017 12:16 PM
@LukeStrickland no specific requests, but I'm curious if you (youse) work on a live fixture, or shut down the circuit (flip breaker, for example)?
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Oh Gawd PLEASE shut down the circuit! On that note, please also check with members using any power before flipping breakers... (not saying you would not have... just a simple reminder 😇)
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LukeStrickland 4/19/2017 12:44 PM
Haha yeah I don't work on live electricity. Today I think I'm mainly going to get the supplies I need out of the closet, look at the new mounting and look at our old ballasts to see what needs to be done
12:45 PM
I'm a big proponent of excessive communication
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/19/2017 12:55 PM
10-4. that's how I'd do it, but I wasn't sure about others...
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Yeah ladders + high voltage is a bad idea
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/19/2017 1:07 PM
most commercial electricians work on live circuits for ballast changes & such. Me? No thanks. I was just wanting to test the waters 'round here. I'm more willing to help if the expectation is that the circuit will be dead for the changeover...
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So far every time I've seen one worked on at the Space, the circuit has been off.
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LukeStrickland 4/19/2017 1:21 PM
Off at breaker or light switch lol
1:21 PM
hopefully our breakers are labeled
1:22 PM
also yeah when electricians always just go at it it scares me
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I've seen it done both ways... When just turning off the light switch, someone is usually standing near it to prevent people from turning it on. The labelling is better than it used to be......... I'd suggest having someone watching the lights in question while someone else flips the breaker to be sure the correct one is flipped. ;)
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/19/2017 1:39 PM
I only do off @ breaker. off @ switch leaves live wires in the ceiling (or so I believe) 🙂
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mr.clark6147 4/19/2017 2:04 PM
@A. Spencer(jast) It depends on how it's wired. If the light is wired on a switch leg, there will still be a live neutral up at the fixture. If it's wired in series with the switch, the power will be completely dead at the fixture.
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/19/2017 2:09 PM
yep. so, much like all guns are loaded, and all snakes are poisonous, I only work on broken circuits. 🙂
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Thank you for your help with this. The LED lights make a huge difference.
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LukeStrickland 4/20/2017 8:35 AM
Yeah, I'm wondering if there are any areas that can immediately benefit from the different light
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LukeStrickland 4/20/2017 9:10 AM
it just dawned on me that lights are logistics btw
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Light switched on, huh? (Sorry. Well, not really. But truly couldn't resist...)
9:40 AM
So is the dumpster logistics or infrastructure?
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StanSimmons 4/20/2017 9:46 AM
Logistics
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I'd say it's time for a bigger dumpster or more pick ups. Part of growing pains.
10:32 AM
Any idea if the sawdust could be recycled?
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anyone know how to access the member drive from the SSH jump server?
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I think Walter put the instructions on the wiki
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ahh cool it's under /mnt/files
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/20/2017 5:25 PM
do we have some sort of internal dns for service discovery?
5:27 PM
looking to do something like _kiosk._http.dms.local SRV ... purpleclassroom.dms.local
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@aceat64
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Heck if I know
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If we do, it's news to me (we didn't use to... not sure if that's changed or not...)
7:14 PM
I don't see Brooks in here. I'll ask him about it.
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@Denzuko.sdf.org ~ it is something that we can do.... It's through AD (I didn't realize that... Learned something new today ~ w00t!)
7:23 PM
I'll probably be at the 'Space tomorrow night if you want to get with me about it.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/20/2017 7:24 PM
We're using a full active directory stack?! Quite impressive. Yes since it's just adding DNS records
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Brooks was asking what you are going to use it for. We can go over that when I document the change though
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/20/2017 7:25 PM
I'm meeting up with ebony in a few minutes but we can chat after at the space
7:25 PM
Oh that's where I'm meeting her too
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I won't be there tonight.... Will you be around tomorrow?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/20/2017 7:25 PM
Not sure yet until lunch time
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I guess we can just play it by ear.... if it doesn't get done before you go camping, can it wait until after the weekend?
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DNS resolves 192.168 addresses, so offhand I'd say yes.
7:40 PM
Not sure whether it's split servers inside, or doing external stuff from remote
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Thx as always Tapper! ☺ There was a time that I had been told it couldn't be done. Of course, we've had a lot of improvements over time as well. Now I get to learn a new trick... w00t! 😁
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DNS on active directory is easy
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I trust you on that :)
7:45 PM
Brooks suggested that I look into Microsoft DNS srv records server 2012 so that'll be my homework tonight :)
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Have you worked on DNS?
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Not really... When I started helping with network stuff at the Space, we just did redirects and mapped IP addys via the router...
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It's a really really really old system
7:51 PM
And way simpler than it sounds
7:53 PM
Just a database.
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Kewl kewl! 😁
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/21/2017 8:17 PM
I'm here at the space. And yes. DNS is easy! But a big part of what the internet works with.
8:18 PM
Btw is there a different DNS name for the jump server internally​ than from outside the network?
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I understand what DNS is... I've just never configured it. I've always just mapped IP addys via the router because that's how we had to do it when I first started helping and I didn't realize we'd upgraded to have that functionality (via AD). We use physical.dallasmakerspace.org both inside and outside.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/21/2017 8:22 PM
Inside ssh doesn't go-to the same server
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Check the wiki for JUMP info via ssh. I always just connect to JUMP via RDP. The other servers I use IP addys to ssh into...
8:25 PM
I'll be at the Space around 9 PM, but will be working with Ebony to clean up my resume. I need a decent job like last month!
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Thx yeah it should be. I've just never bothered trying. I actually need to though... 😄
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Limey (MReynolds) 4/24/2017 11:34 AM
Lisa, a member on talk having an issue with the Metaza not printing. I tried to respond to the thread but there's no reply button for me. Also, I thought we had the metaza added to the tools status board
11:41 AM
K ignore, seems it was me that couldn't reply. I logged out and back in and now have the power back :)
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Thx for replying to him. I replied as well. As far as I know, only you, Kris and I are trainers on it so far. I checked the calendar and don't see any records showing that he took the class, so unless you or Kris gave him a one on one, he will need to take a class before having access. I put the gist of that in my response. Thanks again! ☺
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StanSimmons 4/26/2017 4:11 PM
!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/26/2017 4:11 PM
You already have that role
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yeah, I guess this would be the best chat to talk about the bot in
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StanSimmons 4/26/2017 4:12 PM
Seems silly to volunteer for my own committee, but hey, there it is. 😃
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looks like it added the role "volunteers" to you and @pearce withotu issue
4:12 PM
@StanSimmons the idea is to replace stewards chat with an opt-in chat on discord
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The part I didn't communicate to Andrew when I was brain storming was that it would give a small description of the chat and what was expected from it like people who spend too much time at the space, people who are willing to come up to work on a non project task, etc
4:15 PM
Like opting in to volunteer enlistment for the space
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we can add all that, I just went super bare bones for the first iteration
4:16 PM
let me know what you want the bot to say and when, and I can do it
4:16 PM
!about
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/26/2017 4:16 PM
I'm the friendly bot for managing various automatic rules and features of the Dallas Makerspace Discord chat server. My source code is available at: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot
Contribute to dms-discord-bot development by creating an account on GitHub.
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And example of what goes on would be this chat is the first place to go with " we're headed back from Sam's, we need people to clear the bay and get ready to help unload" like the stewards​ chat
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Ohhhhhh thanks for the explanation. Wasn't sure what the purpose was. Get it now.
4:56 PM
!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/26/2017 4:56 PM
Role added
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The tldr is the #deleted-channel is an opt in chat that will replace the Hangout called the stewards chat. (edited)
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I moved #deleted-channel up to the top of the chat list
7:35 PM
I also pinned a message explaining the chat's purpose and how to enter/exit it
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/26/2017 7:41 PM
damn.. there goes my elaberate irc bot to discord via bitlebee gateway (edited)
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you can have multiple bots in discord
7:47 PM
just send me the Client ID and I can add your bot to the server
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/26/2017 9:19 PM
not quite my point but sure, 306976431915925505
9:19 PM
ChanServ will live again
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you'll need to check "public bot" for a bit
9:50 PM
so I can join it to the server
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Sounds cool. It will be cool to be able to ask it about the next class when it has the calendar attached
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@Denzuko.sdf.org I can't seem to authorize your bot
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!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 5:08 AM
Role added
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!volunteer Stan the purple classroom and metal shop camera is down again
8:39 AM
@StanSimmons
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!unvolunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 1:57 PM
@aceat64#6357, you have been removed from the #on_hand_volunteers channel, to re-join send !volunteer in any channel.
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hmm, the mention didn't work
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#!volunteer
1:58 PM
Trying again
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Robert try without extra text and no hashtag
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literally just !volunteer
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!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 1:59 PM
Hello @Robert, you are now able to post in the #on_hand_volunteers channel. You can use !unvolunteer to be removed from the channel at anytime.
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Success!
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cool, mention worked with my new code
1:59 PM
!test
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 1:59 PM
This is a test response @nerds
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hmm, didn't there though
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!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 2:13 PM
An error has occured, the role does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
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whoops
2:14 PM
!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 2:14 PM
An error has occured, the role does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
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ITS BORKED
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yeah, I'm working on something a bit faster/cleaner
2:15 PM
!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 2:15 PM
An error has occured, the role does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
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wtf it's not a list you stupid script, it's a dict
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!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 2:31 PM
An error has occured, the role does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
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ok, apparently they're all lists not dicts, that's dumb
2:33 PM
!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 2:33 PM
An error has occured, the role does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
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!unvolunteer
2:35 PM
!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 2:35 PM
An error has occured, the role does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
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!volunteer
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Alex Rhodes 4/27/2017 2:38 PM
!volunteer
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it's still down, I'm working on it
2:41 PM
!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 2:41 PM
@aceat64 you already have access to the #on_hand_volunteers channel.
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!unvolunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 2:41 PM
Hello @aceat64, you have been removed from the #deleted-channel channel, to re-join send !volunteer in any channel.
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!unvolunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 2:41 PM
@aceat64, you have already unsubscribed from the #on_hand_volunteers channel
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!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 2:41 PM
Hello @aceat64, you are now able to post in the #deleted-channel channel. You can use !unvolunteer to be removed from the channel at anytime.
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!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 2:41 PM
@aceat64 you already have access to the #on_hand_volunteers channel.
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!unvolunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 2:41 PM
@pearce, you have already unsubscribed from the #on_hand_volunteers channel
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!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 2:41 PM
Hello @pearce, you are now able to post in the #deleted-channel channel. You can use !unvolunteer to be removed from the channel at anytime.
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damnit, only some of them have the channel mention working
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Looks like just unvolunteer
2:42 PM
And already unsubscribed
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!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:03 PM
@aceat64 you already have access to the #deleted-channel channel.
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!unvolunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:03 PM
Hello @aceat64, you have been removed from the #deleted-channel channel, to re-join send !volunteer in any channel.
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!unvolunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:03 PM
@aceat64, you have already unsubscribed from the #deleted-channel channel
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!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:03 PM
Hello @aceat64, you are now able to post in the #deleted-channel channel. You can use !unvolunteer to be removed from the channel at anytime.
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cool, all of the mentions are working now
3:04 PM
also, turns out everything was lists and not dicts, stupid confusing documentation
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Alex Rhodes 4/27/2017 3:06 PM
!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:06 PM
Hello @Alex Rhodes, you are now able to post in the #deleted-channel channel. You can use !unvolunteer to be removed from the channel at anytime.
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!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:16 PM
An error has occured, the #on_hand_volunteers channel does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
3:16 PM
An error has occured, the #on_hand_volunteers channel does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
3:16 PM
An error has occured, the #on_hand_volunteers channel does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
3:16 PM
An error has occured, the #on_hand_volunteers channel does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
3:16 PM
An error has occured, the #on_hand_volunteers channel does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:16 PM
An error has occured, the #on_hand_volunteers channel does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
3:16 PM
An error has occured, the #on_hand_volunteers channel does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
3:16 PM
An error has occured, the #on_hand_volunteers channel does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
3:16 PM
An error has occured, the #on_hand_volunteers channel does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
3:16 PM
An error has occured, the #on_hand_volunteers channel does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
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whoops
3:20 PM
eventually I get this working well enough that I'll stop messing with it
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That one went nuts
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it got stuck in a loop
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it posted the error, which generated a call to on_message() which posted an error, which generated a call to on_message() and so on
3:38 PM
!volunteer
3:38 PM
hmm, still broke
3:39 PM
!volunteer
3:41 PM
!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:41 PM
An error has occured, the volunteers role does not exist. Please tell @nerds something is wrong!
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almost there lol
3:43 PM
!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:43 PM
@aceat64 you already have access to the #deleted-channel channel.
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!unvolunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:43 PM
Hello @aceat64, you have been removed from the #deleted-channel channel, to re-join send !volunteer in any channel.
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!unvolunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:43 PM
@aceat64, you have already unsubscribed from the #deleted-channel channel
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!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:43 PM
Hello @aceat64, you are now able to post in the #deleted-channel channel. You can use !unvolunteer to be removed from the channel at anytime.
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sweet
3:43 PM
and the code is a bit cleaner now
3:49 PM
!help
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:49 PM
I'm the friendly bot for managing various automatic rules and features of the Dallas Makerspace Discord chat server. My source code is available at: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot
Contribute to dms-discord-bot development by creating an account on GitHub.
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cool
3:55 PM
!help
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:55 PM
I'm the friendly bot for managing various automatic rules and features of the Dallas Makerspace Discord chat server. If I'm not working correctly or you'd like to help improve me, please join the infrastructure channel. My source code is available at: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot.
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!help
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 3:55 PM
I'm the friendly bot for managing various automatic rules and features of the Dallas Makerspace Discord chat server. If I'm not working correctly or you'd like to help improve me, please join the #infrastructure channel. My source code is available at: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot.
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there we go, that's nicer looking
3:56 PM
I might need to make a bot testing channel
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LukeStrickland 4/27/2017 3:56 PM
^
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Alex Rhodes 4/27/2017 3:56 PM
!voluntell @aceat64 make me a sandwich :)
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done, I'll spam #bot_testing now
4:02 PM
I was thining about it, we may want to make #deleted-channel viewable only by people with the volunteers role, so that way it shows who is "in" the chat, that or we make volunteers be a visible role
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I think making it readable​ but not postable will get people into it and helping
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maybe make the volunteers role visible or mentionable?
4:27 PM
I could also make a command for the bot that does something
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what if I made a command like !helpme my key card isn't working, where the message and who sent it would be posted to #deleted-channel and tag them
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or maybe a !whocanhelpme that just PMs the person with a list of who is online as a volunteer
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I think a lot of people with opt in and then never leave
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Alex Rhodes 4/27/2017 4:43 PM
Time out? Maybe 24 hours?
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hmm a timeout would work
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Alex Rhodes 4/27/2017 4:44 PM
If only you could do Geo fencing.
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too creepy, I'd need people's location data
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Alex Rhodes 4/27/2017 4:48 PM
Or if the IP matched the spaces?
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I don't have the ability to see that
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Nah I could be on hand and be down the street
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I was also going to go through and make all the people in stewards have the role as well
4:54 PM
Because on hand should replace it
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ok, I've created a !volunteers command that lists who's available
5:07 PM
but doesn't mention them, so it won't spam out notifications
5:11 PM
I think a timeout could work
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that or I just make sure to mention people who have the role whenever someone does the !helpme command
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The second one
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so they'll naturally want to drop it when they aren't doing stuff
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StanSimmons 4/27/2017 5:35 PM
!volunteer (edited)
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 5:35 PM
There are currently 1 volunteers available. @lisaselk
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StanSimmons 4/27/2017 5:35 PM
!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 5:35 PM
Hello @StanSimmons, you are now able to post in the #deleted-channel channel. You can use !unvolunteer to be removed from the channel at anytime.
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how does this look for the about/commands stuff?
5:36 PM
!about
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 5:36 PM
I'm the friendly bot for managing various automatic rules and features of the Dallas Makerspace Discord chat server. I understand the following commands: !about or !commands - This about message. !help - Request help from volunteers, for example !help I can't access the fileserver will send a request to the active volunteers. !volunteer - Add yourself to the list of active volunteers, gain access to post in the #deleted-channel channel. !unvoluntter - Remove yourself from the list of active volunteers once you are done for the day. !volunteers - List the active volunteers. If I'm not working correctly or you'd like to help improve me, please join the #infrastructure channel. My source code is available at: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 4/27/2017 6:24 PM
damn you @aceat64 we are back to IRC days I see. Great work, love it!
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!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 8:33 PM
Hello @Lady L, you are now able to post in the #deleted-channel channel. You can use !unvolunteer to be removed from the channel at anytime.
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!volunteer
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 8:41 PM
Hello @themitch22, you are now able to post in the #deleted-channel channel. You can use !unvolunteer to be removed from the channel at anytime.
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Yeah that's going to get annoying to see all over
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Easy peasy. Never volunteer. 😃
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I can change it to make it send you a PM
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done, most of the commands just output to PM and #deleted-channel now (edited)
10:01 PM
you can also PM the bot directly to send it commands
10:03 PM
there's also this one:
10:03 PM
!voluntell someone to do something
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 10:03 PM
@aceat64 do it yourself
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Haha is voluntell a command​
10:04 PM
!voluntell
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/27/2017 10:04 PM
@pearce do it yourself
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it's just an easter egg 😃
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Alex Rhodes 4/27/2017 10:07 PM
Nice
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Limey (MReynolds) 4/28/2017 7:49 AM
!volunteer
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Whoops, I shut down the bot when I went to bed
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I'll run it off my server in a bit, so it'll have better uptime
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Alex Rhodes 4/28/2017 9:29 AM
sloth
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it's running on my server now
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dallas-makerspace BOT 4/28/2017 11:03 AM
I'm the friendly bot for managing various automatic rules and features of the Dallas Makerspace Discord chat server. I understand the following commands: !about or !commands - This about message. !help - Request help from volunteers, for example !help I can't access the fileserver will send a request to the active volunteers. !volunteer - Add yourself to the list of active volunteers, gain access to post in the #deleted-channel channel. !unvoluntter - Remove yourself from the list of active volunteers and stop receiving notifcations. !volunteers - List the active volunteers. If I'm not working correctly or you'd like to help improve me, please join the #infrastructure channel. My source code is available at: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot.
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!about
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Alex Rhodes 4/28/2017 11:32 AM
Just passing this along since I know we are looking at storage. https://slickdeals.net/f/10097440-wd-red-4tb-nas-hdd-wd40efrx-115-65-amazon-or-walmart
Walmart.com has 4TB Western Digital Red 3.5" Internal Hard Drive (WD40EFRX) on sale for $118.13 - $2.48 pick-up discount = $115.65. *Select in-store pick up to get this price. If you ...
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Damn, the 8TB drive will really make you cry when that crashes.
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Alex Rhodes 4/28/2017 12:49 PM
I wonder if they price matched. It was $139 on Amazon earlier.
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I've been thinking of grabbing a pair of 6TB or 8TB disks for my home file server, probably use RaidZ on them
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maybe do raidz2 (so I have 3 copies total)
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mr.clark6147 4/28/2017 1:46 PM
Andrew, I don't suggest that. When you lose a drive, it'll take DAYS to restripe and get up and running
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it's not a high priority system, it's mostly archival
1:48 PM
so data integrity is more important
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 2:35 PM
@Lady L do you write the software for the the tool status too?
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@LukeStrickland I didn't write it, I just maintain it.
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 2:52 PM
Do you know who wrote it @Lady L ?
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Churchill?
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It might be nice to have a secret part of it with buttons to reset or disable all
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 2:53 PM
Are they still around?
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For events like the move
2:53 PM
Mike Churchill is. He's a good guy
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Mike is still a member
2:54 PM
It's what he calls a flat file
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I hate having idea is for web stuff because I have no way to help with it
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Yeah... I only know how to add and remove tools and status options
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Maybe we should sick the nerds on it
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 2:55 PM
It would be interesting to have version similar to the calendar or the maker manager, where you can login with your AD credentials to do things
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Do you code?
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 2:56 PM
Yeah, I'm a web developer by profession
2:56 PM
and passion lol
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If so, offer to help Stan create a new tool status tool
2:57 PM
He works with another member to do stuff that integrates with Maker Manager
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 2:58 PM
I'd like to learn more about how the tool status is used and updated also
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I haven't worked with that stuff at all
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 2:58 PM
Do people check it? Is it valued?
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Are you at the Space right now
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 2:58 PM
No i'm at work
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A few people use it for sure
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 2:59 PM
I'm gonna come by tomorrow and Sunday though for sure
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I'll be doing family stuff part of the time... let me know when you are here, and I'll let you know if I'm able to swing by or not
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 3:02 PM
Sure
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can someone send me the info for connecting to AD for auth? if I get a chance this weekend I have an idea for an app/bot but I'll need to authenticate to AD
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 3:39 PM
Contribute to makermanager development by creating an account on GitHub.
3:39 PM
shoot sorry jast
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awesome
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 3:39 PM
@aceat64
3:39 PM
However you'll have to get with someone else on the values of the ActiveDirectory config
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I want to tie more things into discord, looking at the webhook stuff now
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 3:39 PM
afaik the ldap auth is also somehow very slow
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yeah, the login for the wiki crawls
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Alex Rhodes 4/28/2017 3:40 PM
It's faster now.
3:40 PM
Brooks fixed the firwall in aws
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I haven't had any delays since he did that.
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neat, I just checked, it's a lot better
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 3:41 PM
Good to know
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Alex Rhodes 4/28/2017 3:41 PM
Also Mike kelp created a rest API to interface with AD.
3:42 PM
Stan knows more about that though.
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 3:42 PM
What uses that?
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Alex Rhodes 4/28/2017 3:42 PM
So far the new access control, Stan's badge thing and the locker for resin in 3d fab.
3:42 PM
That's what I'm aware of so far.
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LukeStrickland 4/28/2017 3:42 PM
Awesome
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Limey (MReynolds) 4/28/2017 6:53 PM
Thanks @aceat64
6:53 PM
!volunteer
dms 2
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StanSimmons 4/29/2017 12:04 AM
https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/RFID_Member_Info_Portal#Software_3 has a python example of the api that Mike Kelp wrote. It currently doesn't do any auth checking, but will soon have an api key available and required. When given an rfid, it returns groups, and user info.
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Cameras down in purple classroom and lecture room
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 4/29/2017 3:33 PM
someone must have fixed since they are both up now.
3:35 PM
however, 2991 is at 95% CPU utilization.
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2992 is at 51% CPU utilization
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@StanSimmons I can't seem to talk to that sign at all over serial
5:15 PM
not sure what I'm doing wrong
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Alex Rhodes 4/29/2017 5:29 PM
Can someone look into Todd Caldwell's badge please?
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Thanks for posting, Alex. Still not working on any of the doors. DOES work on the kiosk in the big room though.
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StanSimmons 4/29/2017 9:37 PM
Todd's badge was messed up in the Chinese door controller system. Using MakerManager to delete and re add his badge fixed the problem.
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Thanks for the help, Stan.
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I'll see it's that works with WINE
12:22 PM
You've used the software with this sign and it worked?
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StanSimmons 4/30/2017 12:22 PM
The BetaMsg.exe is what I've been using
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hmm, it's not working with that software, even under windows
12:55 PM
maybe the cable is wired wrong?
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StanSimmons 4/30/2017 2:52 PM
I don't think so, I used that usb adapter, yellow rj12 adapter and phone wire to program that thing a few weeks ago. You do have to set the com port in the software before it will talk, and I think it is stuck at 9600 N81
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I just have a drop down to select com ports, nothing for baus rate etc
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StanSimmons 5/1/2017 1:35 AM
I've got three quotes for electricity. They are all very close. I would like everyones opinion.
1:35 AM
TXU Energy, 36 month term, 0.03779 MP2 Energy, 36 month term, 0.03762 Constellation, 36 month term, 0.03753
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Which one supports online bill pay and provides the best metrics of internet usage
1:37 AM
And paying by CC
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Without a fee
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If all else is equal, go with TXU for reasons mentioned by Tapper
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LukeStrickland 5/1/2017 7:19 AM
Just in my personal experience, constellation has an out dated bill pay system
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TXU has online stats, if you have an electronic meter - not sure what we have
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Yep we do
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I was thinking MP2 I have heard good things about them from people with solar city and they have far fewer complaints than TXU
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@StanSimmons Are those three quotes without using an energy broker like the one @Robert had quote the deal, or are these his numbers?
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StanSimmons 5/1/2017 8:49 AM
Those were from a broker.
8:51 AM
Our Mission Our mission is simple. We’re here to provide energy solutions for businesses. But not just your regular old ordinary energy solutions. We want to bring you solutions that match your needs, improve your business and fit your budget. Thanks to deregulation of electric and gas energy in many states across our great country,
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So it's the set @Robert had his friend put together.
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same guy new quotes
9:07 AM
The quotes expired that went on talk
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Great rates. As I told Robert once - you are buying a commodity with less differntiation than toilet paper. Choose the interface you want. Make certain there are no charges for setup or switching, and buy it. All those customer service, etc., complaints are residential, which is a whole different game. (edited)
9:08 AM
Teeny tiny bit lower, the new ones, right?
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Yep really small difference
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TXU is a client of my husband's so I'm not going to help you pick one. And an interface can change on a whim. So put three names in the hat and draw one?
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LukeStrickland 5/1/2017 9:41 AM
Hey @StanSimmons will you be at the space tonight about 6PM? I'm wondering if I can borrow your brain to think about if we should make any changes to this tool status board
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StanSimmons 5/1/2017 10:34 AM
I should be there before then.
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With less than 1% difference, it really comes down to which we feel comfortable with
10:37 AM
On the power. ..
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LukeStrickland 5/1/2017 7:57 PM
Whew our tools are scattered
7:58 PM
Sheet1 Comittee, Tool, Manufacturer, Model, Power Requirements, Manual, Training Required, Ownership 3D Fab, 3D printers( QTY: 6), Polyprinter 229, 110V, Yes, Partially Donated by Ed Koffeman and PolyPrinter 3D Fab, 3D printer, PrintrBot Simple Metal, 110V, No, DMS 3D Fab, 3D printer, Mendel...
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LukeStrickland 5/1/2017 8:19 PM
I love Machine Shop's pictures
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StanSimmons 5/3/2017 11:41 PM
@aceat64 Found the problem... 9600,7,E,1
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Page 3 of the manual...
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I swear I tried that lol
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StanSimmons 5/5/2017 5:05 PM
@Alex Rhodes I picked up two reams of the paper. Which committee should it charge to? Infra or PR?
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Alex Rhodes 5/5/2017 6:04 PM
Infra. Thanks!!
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StanSimmons 5/9/2017 7:13 PM
@perpetual has created an update to the API server that lets us list out members of specific AD groups. I've used that feature to create Approved User Lists for Auto Lift, CNC Plasma, MIG Welding, TIG Welding, Woodshop Basics, Wood Lathe, Multicam CNC, 3d Basics, 3d Form2, 3d NinjaFlex, and Laser. I've added links to these (always up to date) lists in each of the committee wiki pages and have created some stickers with QRCodes for the areas. Please let me know if any other areas would like similar setups. If you don't show up on one of the lists, and you think you should, please see whomever taught your class and get their sign-off so I can add you to the list.
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StanSimmons 5/9/2017 11:42 PM
@aceat64 any luck with the sign?
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haven't had a chance to play with it, been getting ready for a trip
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lukeiamyourfather 5/10/2017 11:39 PM
It seems I can't create new posts in the volunteer opportunities category on talk. What gives?
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The Volunteer Opportunities category is a place for Committees and the Board of Directors to post volunteer opportunities at Dallas Makerspace. ⚠ NOTE: This category is NOT for discussion threads. Any "discussion" will be split out by one of the TALK Moderators to create a separate "discussion thread". How it works: A volunteer opportunity at Dallas Makerspace is posted by a committee (by the current committee chairperson or other member authorized by the current chair) or board m...
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I didn't realize only chairs and board members could post those either.
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Yup yup... it's been like that every since we rolled it out. The idea is that while a lot of members express interest in helping out, they often aren't aware of what the current needs are, or who to approach to find out what the committees or the Space in general may need help with at any given time. The Volunteer Opportunities category allows committee chairs and members of the board to get word out so members know what some of the current needs are. 😊
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lukeiamyourfather 5/11/2017 10:44 PM
10:45 PM
Nothing against Nicole but be consistent or don't bother
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10:45 PM
Discretion of the mods would make a lot more sense IMHO
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lukeiamyourfather 5/11/2017 11:40 PM
I was going to post this in volunteer opportunities but apparently I don't have permission to do that. I ordered three sensors and buzzers and one Raspberry Pi with a screen. If you'd like to work on something in parallel (either micro-controller or Pi) let me know and I'll hook you up with the parts. I'm not able to work on this as quickly as I had planned to.
11:40 PM
There are parts if someone wants to work on the sensor and alarm for the dust collector.
11:42 PM
I assumed Nicole posted directly rather than it being moved. My bad. Regardless I think opening the category to more people would be beneficial. (edited)
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It was setup like that at Robert's request and related discussion in Infrastructure regarding his request to have the category created. As far as the update you made, I brought it to the Woodshop committee's attention and reminded them that Andrew Z or a Board member could post it and they didn't respond yet. I have no problem posting it on behalf of Woodshop - since I know it's something that you had discussed with them via Hangouts before you left it. As such, in this instance, I highly doubt they would object.
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lukeiamyourfather 5/12/2017 8:04 AM
Thank you Lisa!
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The iPad I grabbed from the smartwaiver system is charging now at least it did with my charger. I am going to reinstall it today
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Limey (MReynolds) 5/12/2017 6:43 PM
IPad in Creative Arts is saying offline
6:43 PM
Ipad/switch payment
6:43 PM
Anything I can do to fix?
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Fixed
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Limey (MReynolds) 5/12/2017 6:45 PM
Bueno!! I like the service around here
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Limey (MReynolds) 5/13/2017 10:47 AM
Anyone at the space able to adjust thermostat for lecture and interactive? Many bodies making much heat
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StanSimmons 5/13/2017 2:26 PM
I knocked them down a few degrees.
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StanSimmons 5/13/2017 4:18 PM
The AC for the Lecture Hall is down. It is RTU-6 and it is dripping in the workshop now. As soon as it unfreezes we will replace the filter.
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Limey (MReynolds) 5/14/2017 11:22 AM
Gotcha thanks Stan
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 5/14/2017 2:37 PM
We had a recent invoice from Lex Air, did they not replace all the filters in all units?
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StanSimmons 5/14/2017 2:42 PM
I'm not sure. I'm not convinced they are doing what they are billing us for. I'll have Jayson look when he goes up there this afternoon to see.
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Any idea why my Hangouts would be broken on the "DMS member" WiFi network?
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StanSimmons 5/14/2017 8:22 PM
Hangouts and YouTube are both broken on the FiOS feed. VPN outside works, as does cell phone.
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StanSimmons 5/14/2017 9:25 PM
Fixed now.
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How do people not understand they can't put stuff in front of the trash
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What is that?
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I thought they were drawers but they were panels on all sides
4:32 PM
Didn't bother to look at the bottom. Just threw them out
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Was that cardboard? Perhaps from the film folks who were out side working?
4:44 PM
Heavy
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StanSimmons 5/15/2017 4:54 PM
Probably Jimmy's bat boxes, waiting on him to drive around and get them...
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That's what they sound like. I guess he pulled them from the dumpster already
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Those are someone's bat boxes...
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StanSimmons 5/16/2017 3:55 PM
I talked to Jimmie Alridge today, those are his bat boxes. He had put them there and was in the process of getting his wife to drive around back. He recovered them from the dumpster. All is good.
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What is a bat box?
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StanSimmons 5/16/2017 3:57 PM
A box for bats to live in. Large enough for a small colony, and typically built so that birds have a hard time getting in.
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Got it
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Yeah I didn't smash them to put them in the trash so they should be fine
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Limey (MReynolds) 5/16/2017 7:49 PM
Camera in Creative Arts doesn't seem to be working
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StanSimmons 5/16/2017 9:48 PM
Known issue, working on it.
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Limey (MReynolds) 5/17/2017 10:56 AM
Thanks Stan
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StanSimmons 5/18/2017 3:59 PM
Finally got word back from Spectrum Internet (Charter/TWC). Fiber 25/25 is $399/mo with 3yr contract. Fiber buildout is $12,586 (waived), $245 install (waived), 100 days contruction to get fiber to the suite. This would be "backup" internet for when FiOS drops again.
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Alex Rhodes 5/18/2017 4:00 PM
thats almost what we pay for the 500/500
4:01 PM
Any super objection to a cradlepoint with a sim?
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StanSimmons 5/18/2017 4:51 PM
Nope, other than slow.
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Alex Rhodes 5/18/2017 5:36 PM
Yeah but it's just back up to keep AD synced and such right?
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StanSimmons 5/18/2017 8:52 PM
yeah, pretty much.
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The camera system, Blue Iris, just got an update today... it messed up the web interface. Please use the phone interface or direct app. until they fix it.
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StanSimmons 5/19/2017 12:17 PM
Blue Iris got an update to the update that broke it. It is working again.
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Is there an air line above the ceiling to the purple classroom? Was looking at possible dropping a low volume line into CA for the Shapeoko.
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Alex Rhodes 6/2/2017 1:58 PM
I'm pretty sure there is. I remember there being talk about it. If there is it is run near the wall towards tv.
1:59 PM
You'll need a ladder and a flash light to verify though.
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Thanks. I need to grab a ladder and a light and take a peek.
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😉
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Yes there is. I ran it for CA to do air brushing
2:04 PM
Waaaay back when they were in there
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Can anyone reach jump?
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I am getting an error the user profile service failed the Sign-in User profile can not be loaded
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StanSimmons 6/9/2017 12:07 PM
It seems to be working fine for me today, and was working fine for me Thurs evening during tours and signups
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Limey (MReynolds) 6/9/2017 8:49 PM
Are we having internet issues? The vinyl computer is connected to network but cannot reach internet
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Same for dual screen in CA. No internet
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Hello everyone, I'm a new member and was told to check the infrastructure chat to see if anyone can help me with my RFID badge issue. I paid my dues last Thursday but haven't been able to go to the makerspace without my card. is there a way anyone can help me?
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StanSimmons 6/13/2017 11:30 AM
Come by the space most evenings and either David K or I will be available to get you an RFID. You can even do it yourself once you get someone to let you in the building. The RFID's are in a tub in the kitchen, labeled RFID. There are two machines in the Common Room that have RFID readers where you can login to MakerManager and activate them yourself.
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Awesome 😃 I can't, wait I'll head there right after my physicians appointment. Thank you so much!
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It was great to meet you @albertm001 !
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Like wise in meeting you 😃 and to everyone else I had the pleasure of meeting. Although I only understood about half of what was going on in my first committee meeting, I look forward to learning and growing with you all. I couldn't be more excited to be a part of an organization thats sole purpose is to help us all become better people and a more valuable parts of society. Thank you all so much for making my day!
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@StanSimmons can you please reserve the octoprint pi currently on 192.168.207.18 for 192.168.200.95 please? It should be ready to go
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StanSimmons 6/17/2017 9:15 AM
@themitch22 I've setup a static dhcp entry for B8:27:EB:1A:F6:7C on 192.168.200.95
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Thanks Stan it works
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LukeStrickland 6/19/2017 2:09 PM
Hey @StanSimmons I would like to get temporary access to the electrical room in order to facilitate installing the robo reels and replacing some of the lights in the building. How would I go about that?
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LukeStrickland 6/19/2017 2:19 PM
Ideally the timeline would be until the end of the month
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StanSimmons 6/19/2017 7:46 PM
@LukeStrickland The next time you are at the space, let me know the date and time, then swipe your RFID on the electrical room door 5 times. I'll be able to give you access for as long as you need it for that project.
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LukeStrickland 6/19/2017 7:46 PM
Awesome, thanks
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I'll be there tomorrow night for the logistics meeting anyway
7:48 PM
It's at 7PM
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StanSimmons 6/19/2017 7:52 PM
I'm hoping to make the meeting, but may be stuck in Ft Worth at a client site.
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LukeStrickland 6/20/2017 6:29 PM
@StanSimmons I scanned my badge 5 times at the electrical door
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Just now
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StanSimmons 6/20/2017 6:39 PM
You should be good to go on the Electrical Closet access. I'm not going to make it to the Logistics meeting.... I'm still at Alliance Airport working.
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@LukeStrickland Please test the door at your earliest convenience.
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LukeStrickland 6/20/2017 6:42 PM
It works thanks Stan
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Limey (MReynolds) 6/24/2017 6:36 PM
Both computers in CA are connected to network, can access internet, but can't find member drive
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Alex Rhodes 7/2/2017 7:44 PM
@StanSimmons I have scheduled an initial meeting with that billing company I showed you for 6pm on Wednesday. This will be a very breif call to just introduce what we are and what we do. If you have any questions let me know before then so I know to ask.
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Thunder laser has internet but no member drive
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StanSimmons 7/2/2017 10:38 PM
@Alex Rhodes If the call is at the space, I'd be happy to sit in. I'll work on some questions either way.
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Alex Rhodes 7/2/2017 10:47 PM
That will depend on how my work day goes on Wednesday and if I can get to the space by 6.
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Limey (MReynolds) 7/7/2017 6:39 PM
Is the internet connection ok?
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Alex Rhodes 7/29/2017 10:51 AM
Stan. I was going to update vcarve but there is not enough space on server.
10:52 AM
I was going to clear out some profiles and found yours to be one of the biggest.
10:52 AM
@StanSimmons
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147GB isn't that large?
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Alex Rhodes 7/29/2017 11:04 AM
correct
11:04 AM
and there is a bunch of stuff installed
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if the biggest concern is a 2.26GB account, it might be better to just buy more storage (edited)
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Alex Rhodes 7/29/2017 11:05 AM
yeah, but im not going to solve that today
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I just want to install vcarve because people are asking for it
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Ah okay
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That's on a single machine where people aren't supposed to save stuff to the desktops
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Alex Rhodes 7/29/2017 1:01 PM
If they dont log in for 7 days (I think) it kills the profile
1:01 PM
but i also noticed some other profile funkiness on the server
1:02 PM
Some people have multiple profile folders
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StanSimmons 7/29/2017 3:09 PM
😮 I'll go clean it up
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/29/2017 7:30 PM
rhetorical question here but what are you guys doing to take up Gb's of profile space which couldn't go to a member drive, or usb storage?
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Save to local hd. Happens all the time. It's just easier for people
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/29/2017 7:59 PM
of course
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Limey (MReynolds) 7/30/2017 11:00 PM
Any idea when the cameras will be up again?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/31/2017 1:41 AM
O.O did the go down? time to set up monitoring and alerting system
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Limey (MReynolds) 7/31/2017 8:05 AM
Not sure if its the cameras or the software
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Let stan work on it, till then work on the dyesub
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/31/2017 9:47 PM
the dyesub?
9:48 PM
oh that printer in the annex.. yeah that needed a service call.
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StanSimmons 8/1/2017 12:06 AM
Cameras on both servers should be working
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/2/2017 11:07 AM
I'm working on a network plan for our SSO/ldap auth and wondering where do most of our users come into the network from?
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Zing laser PC does not connect to the member drive
11:30 PM
Does connect to internet
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/4/2017 11:25 PM
https://sourceforge.net/p/snmpb/wiki/Home/ < snmp browser and minor graphing tool. I'm setting up snmp v2c with public community enabled across our network use a snmp browser to access the performance telemetry
11:26 PM
for android userss
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Can someone check the system that emails people from talk
1:04 PM
It does not appear to be sending out emails
1:04 PM
Sending out activation emails
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David Kessinger 8/12/2017 1:53 PM
I get emailed copies of PM's or when someone replies to my post. So that part of the system is working.
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I signed up for talk yesterday and still no registration email for me, so something is stuck somewhere.
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Can someone check the square kiosk in laser to see if it's working?
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Seems normal
8:25 PM
Printer is broken though
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Hmm ok. Looked like people were having trouble with it earlier today
8:39 PM
Thanks for checking
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LukeStrickland 8/12/2017 10:58 PM
@pearce whenever you get back to the space, flip the printer tape over
10:58 PM
someone put new paper in incorrectly
10:58 PM
only one side has themal capabilities
11:05 PM
I didn't think they could be loaded wrong
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David Kessinger 8/12/2017 11:27 PM
Pearce: How long have you been around the Makerspace?
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Today?
11:29 PM
Oh you mean dealing with stupid
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I was spoiled by retail with printers that couldn't be loaded wrong
11:29 PM
Magic.
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David Kessinger 8/12/2017 11:31 PM
LOL
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lukeiamyourfather 8/14/2017 12:30 AM
I'm not able to access my DMS email but other DMS systems work like the calendar. Is someone on infrastructure able to look into it?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/14/2017 1:31 AM
I'll check into it on our side but is there any error messages that show up?
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lukeiamyourfather 8/14/2017 8:25 AM
Okta says incorrect password or username
8:26 AM
However other DMS systems work so I know the credentials are correct
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/14/2017 8:43 AM
have you changed your password lately?
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That sounds like some sort of tag line from a medical commercial
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lukeiamyourfather 8/14/2017 11:38 AM
@Denzuko.sdf.org my account was locked due to a billing issue that has been resolved. Changing the password seems to have to affect
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lukeiamyourfather 8/14/2017 1:05 PM
No affect*
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/14/2017 1:07 PM
I didn't see an lock on the ad server last nite, but this helps narrow ot down. I'll remote in shortly and see how we can get this resolved. I do apologize for the inconvenience your encountering and well work quickly to get this matter taken care of asap.
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lukeiamyourfather 8/14/2017 1:14 PM
@Denzuko.sdf.org thanks for the help 😀
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/14/2017 1:31 PM
I applied an lock to your ad account on the master. It could take up to an hour for the ones in aws to apply the change. If theres any further issues, try resetting your password, clear your browser cache, and login again.
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lukeiamyourfather 8/15/2017 12:36 AM
@Denzuko.sdf.org thank you. I'll try it out and let you know how it goes.
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So I'm having some issues running Autodesk Fusion 360 over RDP
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I've connected into physical.dallasmakerspace.org, and can access the internet(through both web browsers and ping), but the Autodesk launcher complains that it cannot access the internet
2:12 AM
I'm not sure if the issue is due to some routing rules on the DMS side, or an issue with Autodesk's software
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When is the last time we updated the unifi components, they have made some really neat changes to the controller and fixed bugs on the app firmware.
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StanSimmons 8/20/2017 2:35 PM
It has been a few months. Are you volunteering? 😃
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/29/2017 8:36 PM
@infrastructure chair I'm trying round up every one for the requirements gathering on mm/calendar revamp and we're needing your input. when is a good time on your schedule for a quick 45min meeting?
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StanSimmons 10/2/2017 5:03 AM
any evening for me
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Deleted User 10/7/2017 11:15 AM
what software are you folks using for cameras? I'm trying to figure out monitoring for our makerspace and it's driving me nuts how terrible NVR software is (the free stuff at least).
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Blue Iris it’s not free but it’s nice
11:18 AM
You will need a decent pc
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Deleted User 10/7/2017 11:20 AM
thanks
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cpu and storage are the most critics
11:21 AM
Critical
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Alex Rhodes 11/4/2017 6:10 PM
I was just told rc has disbanded. Let's use that nook to create a standing workstation area. Move all the computers off the main tables. Those computers are mainly for quick things like sign ups. We have laptops if people need to sit for a while. Who's in?!?!
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LukeStrickland 11/4/2017 6:15 PM
We're having a meeting about the common room next wednesday
6:16 PM
I'm gonna put it on the calendar nowish
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Rc has storage on that pallet rack by the gantry
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LukeStrickland 11/4/2017 6:22 PM
wonder what we can do with that space
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Big tools and vacuums?
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Alex Rhodes 11/4/2017 6:23 PM
I won't be able to do meeting on Wednesday. I'm giving a tour at 5. Class at 7. Unless meeting is after 8:30.
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That could be other committee storage, instead of having committee storage in the project storage racks
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Alex Rhodes 11/4/2017 6:25 PM
Hold off on that area for the time being.
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David Kessinger 11/5/2017 3:43 PM
Suggest we could get three graphic workstations in there very easily. So people don't tie up computers at work stations doing design work, should only be doing tweaking. They are very visibile so people that want to do other things like watching YouTube will be readily detectable.
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StanSimmons 11/6/2017 6:44 PM
And how about quit making the Makerspace a less comfortable place to be....
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More of making the design PC's used for Design and not searching eBay listings or playing Farmville
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Denzuko.sdf.org 11/7/2017 10:45 PM
sounds like we may need to look at kiosk software that can lock down the system to only a role needed
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/7/2017 11:07 PM
@Denzuko.sdf.org I'm not advocating it, nor have I used it that I know of, but I'm just saying it's out there: windows 10 does Kiosks: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/configuration/set-up-a-kiosk-for-windows-10-for-desktop-editions
A single-use device is easy to set up in Windows 10 for desktop editions (Pro, Enterprise, and Education).
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Denzuko.sdf.org 11/14/2017 8:39 PM
updated maker manager for smart waver Json api
8:41 PM
Mike kelm for API gateway
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Denzuko.sdf.org 11/15/2017 5:15 PM
sorry guys, had to write those down quickly and discord was the only thing open
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StanSimmons 11/15/2017 6:42 PM
Mike Kelp
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Denzuko.sdf.org 11/15/2017 6:47 PM
thanks Stan :)
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What is DMS using for its SIP trunks?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 12/10/2017 3:41 PM
we have an on-site asterisk server
3:43 PM
as for the upstream to pots lines... that's in the admin wiki
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Ok thanks
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StanSimmons 12/11/2017 1:15 AM
VoIP.ms
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Thank you Stan.
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A problem is being reported with logging into the PC in laser that operates the Zing (left side of back wall)
7:38 PM
Gorman just posted about it in the laser thread. Can someone on infrastructure take a look?
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Now hearing that all the laser computers are having network issues. Any help from @infrastructure chair ?
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Working on it.
10:55 PM
Something changed on the network while I was gone.... GRRR
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Denzuko.sdf.org 12/18/2017 10:57 PM
right, check the ticket on GitHub. remember you brought up the vlan thing
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thanks guys!
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Denzuko.sdf.org 12/18/2017 10:59 PM
two firewall policies where added one for vl9 and the other for vl2. hitting the pfsence address will give the admin app but this is obviously the original issue why there was an open policy between the two vlans
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That kind of stuff needs to be tested. Can you get in and reverse what was changed until we get a chance to look at what is going on? I'm getting complaints about not being able to login, I cant get to the cameras, etc.
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BTW, discord will never be the primary way to get time sensitive info to me.
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john a gorman 1/13/2018 6:29 PM
@Robert what is password for Square? The CA kiosk is logged out. Stan cannot find the information in the Admin wiki.
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Who is your backup for Square? The chair of Finance?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/13/2018 11:20 AM
Just got done upgrading the dashboard for the community grid to the latest version - http://stats.communitygrid.dms.local:3000/d/000000001/system-metrics?refresh=5s&orgId=1
11:20 AM
current login is admin:admin ldap auth coming soon
11:24 AM
next stages is applying a gpo for snmp on all windows machines, deploying a vm for snmp polling/traps and installing snmp on all linux/network attached systems that support it.
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LukeStrickland 3/13/2018 11:27 AM
So @Denzuko.sdf.org I wrote an app to handle voter registration, can you help me some night get it setup at DMS? externally available ?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/13/2018 11:39 AM
@LukeStrickland be glad to, we're still on for Wednesday?
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LukeStrickland 3/13/2018 11:44 AM
yeah I'll be there
11:44 AM
I forgot what for though
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/13/2018 11:52 AM
hack-a-thon on gitlab and deploying apps to the new cloud infrastructure design
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11:52 AM
(ie deploying your voter registration app via cicd)
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LukeStrickland 3/13/2018 11:52 AM
ah yeah
11:53 AM
I have a metal shop meeting at some point, but it'll be quick
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/13/2018 11:54 AM
righty oh
11:57 AM
oh and at some point I'd like to start enabling syslog on all the things and play around with https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/v8-stable/configuration/modules/omsnmp.html
The rocket-fast system for log processing
11:58 AM
but one thing at a time
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LukeStrickland 3/13/2018 3:01 PM
What are your thoughts on MakerManager @Denzuko.sdf.org ?
3:01 PM
What are your plans
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/13/2018 3:27 PM
high level, self service portal
3:27 PM
but also merge parts of it with calendar, and inventory
3:29 PM
of course I'd like to just pull calendar, inventory and what we currently have for markermanager into separate smaller rest apis and take the ui parts on each for the merger
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LukeStrickland 3/13/2018 3:30 PM
what's inventory?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/13/2018 3:33 PM
https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/inventory - inventory management system designed for the Dallas Makerspace
Inventory - An inventory management system designed for the Dallas Makerspace
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@Denzuko.sdf.org what did you mean by framework
3:35 PM
ive been using canvas and p5 to start
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/13/2018 3:35 PM
@LukeStrickland reading over the models looks more like a location tracker for tools, would be a good way to tie into the rfid badge system
3:41 PM
@popados check my reply in general
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/14/2018 7:00 PM
@LukeStrickland hey mate, I missed my transfer so I'll remote in from the office
7:03 PM
oh, do you have a ssh pub key that you prefer or could we use the one registered with GitHub?
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LukeStrickland 3/14/2018 7:34 PM
Github is fine
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/14/2018 7:42 PM
:+1:
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LukeStrickland 3/19/2018 12:19 PM
Idea for later
12:20 PM
QBO API integration to show committees their balances
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/19/2018 12:29 PM
??
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Alex Rhodes 3/19/2018 12:44 PM
Quick books online.
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So if you're a chair you can log into MM and see committee balance.
12:45 PM
I guess you don't have to be chair
12:45 PM
But just my thinking of who would want it.
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David Kessinger 3/19/2018 12:48 PM
I believe there is a function in QBO that allows custom reports to be automatically created and forwarded by email. I don't know how to do it - but believe capability exists. need to look into this. What would be great is if every day a transaction report were sent - this would allow closer moniotring of expenses.
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LukeStrickland 3/19/2018 1:03 PM
My goal for my work at DMS this year is to make everything easier for everyone via software. I want to help committees understand their funding, and the power they have (edited)
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Alex Rhodes 3/19/2018 1:22 PM
👍
1:22 PM
If there is any way I can help let me know.
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LukeStrickland 3/19/2018 1:22 PM
I'll definitely need you soon 😃
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Alex Rhodes 3/19/2018 1:22 PM
Great!
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/19/2018 2:45 PM
perfect, I think we talked a bit about this in the last priority meeting and if qbo has some good documentation then we might be able to get that rolled into say maybe.. maybe, maker manager or a central API. I'd love to see where this goes over all
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LukeStrickland 3/19/2018 2:49 PM
I'd like to maybe have a development session every week
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/19/2018 3:04 PM
same here which reminds me.. who's had a good experience with ide's on a tablet?
3:04 PM
windows or android of course
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LukeStrickland 3/19/2018 3:05 PM
I don't have any, I've heard there are some electron frontend + real language backends though
3:05 PM
So for example you could run the heavy processing on a server somewhere (edited)
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/19/2018 3:07 PM
that's my thought. I've got a good set of development tools setup on the jump server (for anyone with a login to use) but the mobile network is shotty at best on the ride home so it's got me thinking of alternitives
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LukeStrickland 3/19/2018 3:09 PM
always wondered why you dont have a laptop?
3:09 PM
or dont bring one
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/19/2018 3:53 PM
Well without going into full details about the many project rigs littering my back inventory. Its mainly because I have too many each usually has its function and pain points. The biggest one is my current rig is a Lenovo - G51 (B074HCS5F2 on amazon) looks great on paper but frack unless I'm running android its a POS no matter the OS or distro. At this point I've been toying with the idea of either a Microsoft Surface or Asus ZenPad as my main rig and any other laptops in the fleet gets downgraded to cluster nodes in the studio or donated to a favorite non profit we all know and love.
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LukeStrickland 3/19/2018 3:55 PM
Ah
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I buy $100 lenovos on craislist
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/19/2018 3:56 PM
yeah, their good deals over all for the price. can't stand the crappy cases but the hardware is solid.
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LukeStrickland 3/19/2018 3:57 PM
Like the laptop shell?
3:58 PM
I've never really dropped mine
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/19/2018 3:58 PM
its a quality kind of thing.
4:01 PM
if I can stress a corner a few mm with the pressure of a wrist and the whole top plate tries to pop open in the opposite corner then well one's truly getting what they paid for.
4:02 PM
personally though, I'm really wanting to jump hard core into AR interfaces and having the computer to be this ephemeral thing that's apart of the network itself while having an ui that's more of a virtual "AI"
4:04 PM
you know something like Auger's setup on Earth Final Conflict or the Andromeda Ascendant herself.
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LukeStrickland 3/19/2018 4:05 PM
Yeah
4:06 PM
I'd rather go right from my lenovo to a full cyberbrain
4:06 PM
So I'll wait
4:08 PM
yes.. a cyberbrain would be great. plus an additional chip for processing power
4:09 PM
oh and skilljack
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/19/2018 4:17 PM
anywho.. next gen computing aside. While I'm aware on how to access the pfsense myself. I'm working on getting the root ca used by all devices that use ssl certs. So, I'm wondering how do we usually access , e.g. typing the ip address, hostname, via magical holographic pixies inside the computer we talk too, the pfsence overall as group?
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LukeStrickland 3/19/2018 4:23 PM
I think stan just remembers things 😃
4:23 PM
Btw, instead of a root ca, I instead used a FQDN at my company to issue valid certificates to internal assets
4:24 PM
For example buy a wildcard cert for dms-local.com or something and have things be pfsense.dms-local.com
4:24 PM
But I'm not a real network engineer so 🤷
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/19/2018 5:40 PM
lol yeah no I've setup a cert chain. soo.. we sign fqdn + san on the intermediate and the root gets installed so the chain becomes valid
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but there's also code signing too and user certs on top of it so one still needs a root ca for those plus the revocation lists.
5:42 PM
<- not a network engineer but dev that's a member of CACert and IETF with infosec and datacenter background
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LukeStrickland 3/20/2018 9:01 AM
the chain isnt valid for any users computers right? since we're not on the domain so you dont have ca authority ?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/20/2018 9:10 AM
so in the case of users or other devices that are not have the trusted root ca cert. they can ( just like thier os and browser already does for several ca cert providers ) install our root canal into thier trusted zone. There's a wiki article already on this and has the root ca available for download.
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LukeStrickland 3/20/2018 9:11 AM
yeah
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/21/2018 6:55 PM
can we have some one test connecting the jump server? need to validate the certificate is correct
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Alex Rhodes 3/23/2018 9:49 AM
I still get prompted for the cert if that's what you're asking.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/23/2018 1:10 PM
ok, two follow up questions on that @Alex Rhodes 1) is the Certificate Issuer "intermediate-certificate"? and have you installed the root ca chain from our wiki?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/27/2018 4:11 PM
@LukeStrickland sorry if I muddled up your mm4 repo, got inspired to add in the api controller, a unit test, and setup the docker container stuff.
4:11 PM
If anything breaks do let me know and I'll make sure to clean that up
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LukeStrickland 3/27/2018 4:40 PM
Well so
4:41 PM
for starters I'm a bit confused.
4:41 PM
It looks like you're operating under the assumption that I'm using CakePHP
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LukeStrickland 3/27/2018 5:47 PM
I pushed your commits off to their own branch for now
5:47 PM
master is currently production
5:48 PM
and none of the PHP code works, didnt test docker
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/27/2018 5:53 PM
righty oh, I'll spin up a test run on the community grid when I get in and clean it up.
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oh and any further changes will be via a pull request
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LukeStrickland 3/27/2018 5:56 PM
If you want to get together sometime this week we can talk about it and get the api implemented
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/27/2018 5:59 PM
love to, I'm in route already
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LukeStrickland 3/27/2018 6:28 PM
unlikely that I'll be there tonight
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/27/2018 6:29 PM
right, I'll get something on the calendar then
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LukeStrickland 3/28/2018 9:34 AM
I'll be around Wednesday, Thursday and Friday I think
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LukeStrickland 3/28/2018 9:49 AM
Two things I want to get done this week, WHMCS hook logs and door log scraping (edited)
9:51 AM
I also want to compile the kernel necessary to get gokrazy running on an rpi 3 B+
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LukeStrickland 3/28/2018 10:01 AM
Ok, I'll be there next wednesday also
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/28/2018 10:01 AM
well those nodes on that din rail in the interactive museum are Rpi 3
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LukeStrickland 3/28/2018 10:06 AM
Yeah I have a pi with me
10:06 AM
this is just recreational, it's basically a minimal bios + kernel for an rpi to only run go code
10:06 AM
no c compiler at all
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/28/2018 10:22 AM
yeah I was reading over their site and it looks promising. Just wonder how one can run docker in parallel
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LukeStrickland 3/28/2018 10:23 AM
What site?
10:23 AM
The goal would be ephemeral software
10:23 AM
I'm imaging using it with PXE boot
10:24 AM
So your bios + kernel + software is under 50MB and can be transferred to the rpi in under 10 seconds
10:24 AM
we played with PXE boot from a zero to a rpi3b+ and it was quite slow lol, lots of software overhead
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LukeStrickland 3/28/2018 10:32 AM
yeah
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/28/2018 10:33 AM
that actually is an interesting idea but how about network storage?
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LukeStrickland 3/28/2018 10:33 AM
I'm interested in no storage 😃
10:34 AM
no practical uses just fun
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/28/2018 10:46 AM
ah
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well I was thinking of grid computing and generally one needs some sort of storage for sharing data results and/or the computational jobs
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LukeStrickland 3/28/2018 10:47 AM
ok, so have a remote data source that all the computers are connected to
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that way you plug in as many rpis as you want and they all write to it 😃
10:48 AM
physical containers hah
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/28/2018 10:49 AM
exactly
10:50 AM
that's really been the promise of grid based super computing since the 80's
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Alex Rhodes 3/28/2018 4:45 PM
@Denzuko.sdf.org I didn't have the certs but will try soon.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/29/2018 2:09 PM
heads up guys, the prwjump got rebooted and the updated are taking a while to complete so end users will get a please wait spinner
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just wait it out and the updates will complete in an hour or so
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root cause, we haven't updated the jump server in ages
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I'll look into setting up a rdp gateway and a few backup instaces for fail over
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LukeStrickland 3/29/2018 2:15 PM
@Denzuko.sdf.org do you know what happened to Fusion 360 on the design computers?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/29/2018 2:16 PM
there should be a gpo applied to install it
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LukeStrickland 3/29/2018 2:16 PM
It seems to have uninstalled it.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/29/2018 2:18 PM
what?! ... let me look into it. do we know the location of the correct installer?
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oh and is there an issue ticket ?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/29/2018 3:21 PM
just checked. there's no gpo for the installation so I just need the msi file for fusion 360 and then that can be applied
3:29 PM
Maybe? Thats from talk
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Denzuko.sdf.org 3/29/2018 3:35 PM
right.. that's an exe. not that its a problem but I'll have to spend time converting it to a msi version
3:36 PM
where there any extra steps needed like say entering a registry key?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/4/2018 11:20 AM
cloudflare has a public tls based dns offer that's faster than Google.
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Cloudflare's mission is to help build a better Internet. We're excited today to take another step toward that mission with the launch of 1.1.1.1 — the Internet's fastest, privacy-first consumer DNS service. This post will talk a little about wh...
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redroosterkey 4/4/2018 11:21 AM
I just heard about that on SecurityNow
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/4/2018 11:21 AM
it would be interesting to test it at the space
11:23 AM
yes.. ipv6 resolvers at 2606:4700:4700::1111, 2606:4700:4700::1001
11:24 AM
ok, I'll set those up on the pfsense and we can text ipv6 speeds ;)
11:27 AM
This is the first blog post in our new series, Tips and Tricks,
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I was wondering when someone was going to do that to 1.1.1.1
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LukeStrickland 4/6/2018 3:19 PM
didnt see you on wednesday btw @Denzuko.sdf.org
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/19/2018 10:34 AM
is anyone at the space currently?
10:34 AM
looks like design01 is offline
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LukeStrickland 4/19/2018 10:39 AM
Are those the 3 design computers?
10:40 AM
Sometimes members plug in a different computer, turning one of them off
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/19/2018 10:51 AM
Yeah those are the design computers
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LukeStrickland 4/19/2018 10:52 AM
I'm betting someone unplugged
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/19/2018 10:57 AM
hmm... well then..
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/3/2018 9:54 PM
@here looks like all the linux virtual machines need to be rebooted in recovery mode and had fsck ran on the filesystem otherwise users are unable to login.
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Daniel_the_Hawn 5/4/2018 12:35 AM
I've been trying to get access to the DMS Youtube channel. Coul suggested I talk to Lisa, who I think was the infrastructure chair before. Does #infrastructure have the credentials for one of the Youtube channels? It would be a little embarrassing to have to create a 3rd Youtube channel because of lost credentials.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/4/2018 12:38 AM
I'm surprised that it's not something @pr could help with.
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Daniel_the_Hawn 5/4/2018 12:47 AM
I'll check there too.
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Sounds like you are looking for access to the admin wiki. As a chair you should have access... I think. @LukeStrickland ?
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LukeStrickland 5/4/2018 9:07 AM
My understanding is the admin wiki is a bit more controlled, most committee chairs do not have access
9:07 AM
Have you tried creating an issue / request for this @Daniel_the_Hawn
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Daniel_the_Hawn 5/4/2018 9:11 AM
I have not. You mean via Talk, right?
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I looked a bit into this the original YouTube account is setup to admin@dallasmakerspace.org the problem is after moving to Okta I don’t know of a way to gain access to the account anymore
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LukeStrickland 5/4/2018 9:11 AM
Yeah
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Actually @Daniel_the_Hawn Alex's response in #public_relations is the answer
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I am an admin though
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So possibly I can find a way to add you
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Daniel_the_Hawn 5/4/2018 9:15 AM
@Robert that would be awesome. If you can't do it today I'll talk to Stan next time I'm up there
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Ok I found it
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What is your email address
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Daniel_the_Hawn 5/4/2018 9:16 AM
Danieljhawn@gmail.com
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Should have an invite your way
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Btw notably coul also is an owner
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So can also give access our
9:17 AM
Out
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Daniel_the_Hawn 5/4/2018 9:19 AM
He said he tried and wasn't able. Got the invite, much appreciated!
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We could contact YouTube and tell them to shut one of the extras down
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Daniel_the_Hawn 5/4/2018 11:22 AM
I need to download the vids from the older one first, but that would be awesome, would ease my OCD for sure.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/4/2018 3:23 PM
I still need to see why a few servers are not returning results from snmp queries but for the most part there is a monitoring system on the vl9 - https://192.168.0.213/health/metric=storage/view=graphs/
3:29 PM
say goodbye to the fog of war and hello to modern inventory alerting
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 1:42 PM
whoohoo.. got the jumpbox added and logging as well
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^ jump box
1:42 PM
login with guest / demo to take a look around
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@Denzuko.sdf.org guest / demo doesn't seem to be working
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LukeStrickland 5/7/2018 3:23 PM
@Draco guest / guest
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Thanks
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 4:10 PM
was it guest / guest ??
4:11 PM
I can update the password or add in users if we like
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LukeStrickland 5/7/2018 4:12 PM
Yeah for me it was guest / guest
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 4:14 PM
ok then that's the correct one
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 4:26 PM
so from what you guys seen, any questions or comments?
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I'm learning more about the network. I learned that we have /21 network on vlan2 and a /24 on vlan10
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I'm still trying to configure my new server .. I think it is suppose to be on vlan 2 with ip address 192.168.202.60/21 .. I think
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but right now it is getting dhcp from the 192.168.0.0/24 network
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so it must default to vlan10
4:31 PM
or that port
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 4:32 PM
so vlan2 is meant for the members (ie byod, wifi, workstations, etc..) the servers are vlan 9
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oh ok
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and vlan 10?
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Where can I find the subnets / vlans listed?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 4:33 PM
10.0.0.1
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that's the vpn into aws
4:33 PM
Footprint ID, Name, Region, Site, Cost Center, Customer, Role, Owner, Application, Org, OrgUnit, Environment, Size i-022585d18045d049f, PRLXTALK, us-east-1, AWS, FUNDS_MONTHLY: Web Hosting, COMMITTEES: PR, Application Server, COMMITTEES: Infra...
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that's what I've been able to gather which isn't in the admin wiki and between the two would be in that observium app linked above
4:35 PM
lol.. anonymous panda n.n
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ah ok
4:36 PM
cool
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What are the phones on?
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That might be your misssing vlan
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okay .. so the server PRLXOCAST02 needs to be on VLAN9 and subnet 192.168.0.0/24
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ok good
4:38 PM
I just need someone to assign me an address and change the DNS over
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right now it is set to 192.168.202.60
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Also, stan assigned me a new ip address for the ocast-lecture lecture hall computer
4:40 PM
He assigned it as 192.168.200.51 but the DNS is not looking it up
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 4:41 PM
I can get that once there's a ticket in the help desk
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created two issues
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ughhhh I can't contact the lecture hall computer any more .. I did eariler but now nothing
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not even a ping
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I will go up there and reboot everything at some point this week
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I appreciate your help and Stans
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 5:14 PM
n.n that's why we're here
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is cast02 a physical server?
5:19 PM
I'm not seeing it in hyper-v so unless its in aws I'd take a guess that it is
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Yes it is a physical server
5:24 PM
It currently needs a reboot because the network in a non-tennable position but not saved
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 5:24 PM
ah.. ok then. we'll need to make sure ad users can login particularly those of infrastructure
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Stan told me that I can set it up however I wanted
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but the other server is set up with centrify and joined to the domain .. so I don't see why this one would be any different
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This server is a worker server and wouldn't normally have public access
5:26 PM
the virtual server cast01 does
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and will eventually need a nice sounding name ...
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but that is later
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 5:27 PM
righty oh. yeah I'm not about to step on anyone's toes, stan's especially so if he's said configure how ever then ok
5:28 PM
just was thinking if I'm needing to configure the vlan settings on the server then there's got to be a way to login
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@StanSimmons I think its about time we schedule the switch over to having the rdp behind openvpn
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Account Name: ADMINISTRATOR Failure Information ... Unknown user name or bad password
5:31 PM
that's malware or someone being malcious trying to take over the jump server and there's already 408 events in the past four hours.
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Any server exposed to the internet will get all kinds of bot attacks
5:37 PM
Pick whatever system you are willing to keep up to date the most to be exposed
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I will say it will confuse alot of people moving it behind a VPN ... VPNs are not easy to setup .. remote desktop client is dead easy to connect
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and you don't need any extra software for RDP
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Perhaps if you made to VPN easily setupable from windows and mac like many VPN providers do
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 5:40 PM
that's do-able
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Question .. will it go through two VPNs? Many people are getting more and more VPNs for their own internet access .. can you double up?
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What subnets would it route? I assume it wouldn't route 192.168.0.0/24 .. that is used by most home routers (edited)
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And ofcourse it would not be able to get out the gateway to our internet
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or 192.168.1.0/24
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What you could do is setup a small subnet for the VPN and give it access to only the jump server
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and dns?
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or make the jump server as a public DNS entry
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with a private address
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that way you wouldn't need to assign a dns server to the connection
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just the small subnet
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enough for however many users you expect to connect to jump
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I'm just brainstorming here
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 5:53 PM
no worries. most of that malicious traffic is going to be automated so basically unless we close the port everyone that's port scanning 0.0.0.0/0 for rdp and others is going to find the jump servers
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The question is has microsoft patched all or most of the exploits ...
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 5:54 PM
the openvpn already joins as vlan 2 just like anything on the wifi / network
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no
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no they have not
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has openvpn?
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ah that makes sense .. it come in as a wifi .... does it set a default route or just the subnet?
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wifi like
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in other words can I join the vpn and send traffic out bound
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so basicily it gets a dhcp address in the 192.168.200.0/21 range
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I guess it wouldn't be dhcp
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/7/2018 5:59 PM
yes and from there is litterly just like being on the wifi
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and yes it's DHCP
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CredSSP vulnerability in Microsoft Remote Desktop Protocol (RDP) affects all versions of windows and allows hackers to steal data and run malicious code.
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So we are bridging then
6:03 PM
it isn't just IP
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Discovered by researchers at Cybersecurity firm Preempt Security, the issue (CVE-2018-0886) is a logical cryptographic flaw in CredSSP that can be exploited by a man-in-the-middle attacker with Wi-Fi or physical access to the network to steal session authentication data and perform a Remote Procedure Call attack.
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Looks like you need WiFI, physical access or bridging?
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I think just IP access to the network
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as a side note .. we might not want to bridge for our VPN and move away from DHCP for it and get OpenVPN to assign addresses
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from a predefined pool
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this way we aren't dealing with all kinds of non-IP protocols potentally
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This should limit all discovery protocols that people have installed on their systems
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or many anyway
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unless we want that
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like I said .. I'm just throwing out ideas .. I'm not really advocating anything seriously
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/8/2018 10:59 AM
No worries, I appreciate it. Tends to help me think things out when I have friends that I can bounce things off of
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and looks like that cve-2018-0886 has been moved into "mitigated" status as of this month: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4093492/credssp-updates-for-cve-2018-0886-march-13-2018
Describes details for the CredSSP updates for CVE-2018-0886.
11:03 AM
today at that
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/8/2018 11:22 AM
looks like the syslog feature of the monitoring server is running out of ram. I'll add another 512Mb to see if that helps. If not then I'll see about migrating it over a docker based environment with auto scaling enabled.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/8/2018 1:00 PM
ok the syslog view has been restored
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Hey @Denzuko.sdf.org ... can you just turn on the tagging to PRLXOCAST02
2:40 PM
it would help me alot
2:41 PM
Do you need the MAC to find the port?
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The MAC is 84:2b:2b:51:a6:d0
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VLAN2 ip is 192.168.202.60
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default VLAN ip is 192.168.0.214 via DHCP
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/8/2018 5:05 PM
I'd actually need to do that on the server
5:07 PM
neither are allowing me to connect
5:09 PM
I am able to see it in the dhcp lease table but outside of that it doesn't seem to be responding
5:11 PM
ok had to go through the linux jump server but now its a permission denied. go ahead and do a user add for adm_denzuko and add in my ssh key
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curl -sSLk https://github.com/denzuko.keys >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys (edited)
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just a sec
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ok done
7:04 PM
You can also get it on the domain and your stats program if you want .. same with prlxocast01
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I just need to be able to NFS and communicate between prlxocast01 and 02 and the lecture hall ocast-lecture
7:04 PM
as well as the file store
7:05 PM
😃
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"I'd actually need to do that on the server" .. how will you switch it to tagged on the server .. when you need it switched on the switch ?
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Oh well.. as long as it does the above .. I will be happy .. switch it however you like
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@Denzuko.sdf.org
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/8/2018 11:41 PM
got prlxocast02 to join to the domain I'll revisit 01 in the morning
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for those whom want to know, its an easy thing to do without installing centrify - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Active_Directory_Integration#GPO_considerations
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most of the config / hard parts is handed out by dns and dhcp anyways while the rest is making sure pam, samba, krb5, ldap-client, and resolvconf are setup with the bear minimum
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oh Draco, we should have that as a CTF challenge triple points for the team that can replicate the domain controller and take control from that
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hmm.. well I still can't get from prlxocast02 to prlxocast01
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Did you set tagging on the switch for the port?
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Thanks for your hard work
1:22 AM
I'm very appreciative
1:22 AM
Tomorrow is our meeting
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LukeStrickland 5/10/2018 12:05 PM
@Denzuko.sdf.org you around?
12:06 PM
DNS is down at the space or something
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/10/2018 12:11 PM
it's not just dns the pfsense is non responsive
12:11 PM
physical.dallasmakerspace.org is off line
12:14 PM
I'm taking a lunch break and zipping over
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LukeStrickland 5/10/2018 12:31 PM
pfsense was accessible for me
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but i couldnt login
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/10/2018 12:32 PM
almost on site
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LukeStrickland 5/10/2018 12:34 PM
I just left
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/10/2018 12:39 PM
12:40 PM
12:41 PM
disk storage usage has grown
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LukeStrickland 5/10/2018 12:44 PM
great
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/10/2018 12:44 PM
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LukeStrickland 5/10/2018 12:44 PM
that's the physical windows server with all of the vms?
12:44 PM
yeah
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/10/2018 12:44 PM
windows jump server is the worst
12:44 PM
yes it is
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LukeStrickland 5/10/2018 12:44 PM
Anyway to get into the JUMP fileserver?
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Also what does PRLXWWW even host?
12:45 PM
I thought all www was on aws
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/10/2018 12:46 PM
check the cmdb sheet
12:46 PM
why though is prwjump 232GB?!
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LukeStrickland 5/10/2018 12:47 PM
Local file storage on the vm?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/10/2018 12:47 PM
yeah but why... -.-
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LukeStrickland 5/10/2018 12:48 PM
It's unavoidable with members
12:48 PM
Just need to delete some of it 😃
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/10/2018 12:49 PM
we should set up their profiles to use their members drive be default
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anywho. cleaning up some of the old vms here and then we can get things booted back up
12:55 PM
I think we need to look into setting up replication and most likely use VMware or openstack for our vm hosts
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LukeStrickland 5/10/2018 1:00 PM
What experience do you have with a San and multiple VM hosts
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/10/2018 1:01 PM
that was a core function of my tech firm before I sold it off and got a job with softlayer
1:02 PM
most of my consulting clients bring me in for openstack, docker, elk, and automation on top of the devops and it architecture work I do
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/10/2018 1:21 PM
we're live
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I would greatly appreciate it if some would do some Post mortum on the jump server?
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@LukeStrickland ... how many new waiver signs happened yesterday? I thought you said 400 or so but I don't think we had 400 people did the walk through (edited)
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LukeStrickland 5/11/2018 10:15 AM
Very sad
10:16 AM
I was testing out new smartwaiver integration
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and apparently they send the same webhook multiple times
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Only 60 people last night
10:16 AM
select count(distinct unique_id),date(created_at) from smartwaiver_hooks group by date(created_at)
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/16/2018 1:55 PM
@draco I found the root cause of why I was not able to login to the admin wiki and also found the link for AWS. let me work on getting that dev db setup
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😄
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/16/2018 2:14 PM
also we're still on for tonight?
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What is happening tonight?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/17/2018 7:23 AM
got the times mixed up. I'll swing by at 1pm
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Alright good
7:29 AM
see you then
7:30 AM
Calendar software works wonders
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hehe
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/17/2018 7:30 AM
I'll love to see that :)
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/17/2018 4:50 PM
monitoring I'd buzzing about the lounge camera failing
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almost 500m corrupted packets per second. we should check the wires and connections
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same for cam w-mtwr
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/17/2018 5:14 PM
@Draco and @LukeStrickland once we get all the unit tests in place and a prod/preprod deployment with testing I'll take us all out to top golf
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Sounds interesting .. never been
5:15 PM
Can the unit testing do simple curl gets? Like for example check if the feed is working without going into the selenium stuff?
5:16 PM
I think we can do alot with it if it can
5:16 PM
I can start building tests
5:20 PM
interface HttpRequest { public function setOption($name, $value); public function execute(); public function getInfo($name); public function close(); } class CurlRequest implements HttpRequest { private $handle = null; public function __construct($url) { $this->handle = curl_init($url); } public function setOption($name, $value) { curl_setopt($this->handle, $name, $value); } public function execute() { return curl_exec($this->handle); } public function getInfo($name) { return curl_getinfo($this->handle, $name); } public function close() { curl_close($this->handle); } }
5:21 PM
That class should work ..
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@StanSimmons @Denzuko.sdf.org ... Do you know if we any free external IP addresses or do we just have one? Also, I'm looking into a way to put port 80 and another streaming port up on the internet for opencast.
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or 443
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oh it should just be for our members not the general public
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/18/2018 10:02 AM
if its public then one can use the wildcard cname for apps.communitygrid.dallasmakerspace.org otherwise we can create a Virtual IP and setup the traffic management for internal to the network.
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StanSimmons 5/18/2018 11:40 AM
We have a block of 5, we are only using one. Let me know what you need... on something other than discord... I can barely read this garbage app
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@StanSimmons .. I rarely use the app .. there is a desktop version
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StanSimmons 5/18/2018 5:27 PM
... which still won't let me set a decent background/font combo that can be read by anyone over 50.
5:28 PM
Get off my lawn! 😉
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:14 AM
@here we have a SEV One situation with talk. Lets get on the server and find out what happened. then we can figure out a strategy to ensure we do not have any further disruption of services.
11:15 AM
The conference line for our break fix is 469-549-2055
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 11:17 AM
I wont be available to call in
11:17 AM
I can type in discord though
11:18 AM
CPU on the server is 20%
11:19 AM
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:19 AM
Expected Behavior Discuss server is operational Actual Behavior 502 Bad Gateway returned from server Steps to Reproduce the Problem visit https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org
11:19 AM
discord is fine but we'll need to write up the findings on the ticket
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 11:20 AM
If you can ssh in I'd be curious about df -h
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:20 AM
I'm about to setup sysdig on the instance
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 11:21 AM
Is discourse a container?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:21 AM
oh and logstash. We'll dig out the root cause 😄
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 11:21 AM
How are you going to install software if the server is out of disk...
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:23 AM
do we know which instance its running on?
11:23 AM
wait.. dns '-.-
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 11:23 AM
i-022585d18045d049f
11:23 AM
ec2-54-158-96-161.compute-1.amazonaws.com
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:23 AM
well that helped
11:24 AM
PRLXTALK
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:32 AM
looks like that server was rekeyed. I'm unable to access
11:32 AM
going to try a different route.
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 11:33 AM
it probably uses brooks.pem
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:33 AM
that's the one I have
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 11:33 AM
Oh, great
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:35 AM
I'm putting a copy of the brooks key onto the jumpserver and trying from there
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 11:36 AM
Yeah that's my problem lol, i'm out of network
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:37 AM
permission denied
11:37 AM
so we'll have to backup the disk image and create a new vm
11:37 AM
do we have backups/repos for the software and configs?
11:38 AM
@here ^
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 11:38 AM
my understanding is no (edited)
11:39 AM
I'd check with Stan for his access before doing anything destructive
11:39 AM
He may have changed the key out
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:40 AM
that's the very same key he has
11:40 AM
Plan of action: Create a new vm instance Backup Volume vol-0c9031e60c190630d attach a copy of the backup to the new vm instance as /recovery move all configurations and code over to a private git repo
11:41 AM
fyi non of that is destructive just reactionary
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 11:42 AM
Are you 100% sure? Lisa and Stan have done a bunch of work on the talk server over the years
11:42 AM
plugins / etc
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:43 AM
yes. item two, back up the volume. this creates a snapshot. that snapshot becomes a external drive on the new vm. the old vm just gets powered down
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 11:43 AM
No, i'm talking about access
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:43 AM
then when services are restored we can backup all the things into a git repo
11:43 AM
why are we so concerned about access?
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 11:44 AM
Why am I concerned about access to a broken server? lol
11:45 AM
Ok. let me know if you need anything from me
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:45 AM
lol will do.
11:47 AM
"Lukes Home for Dev" 😉
11:47 AM
makes sense.
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 11:48 AM
Yes
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 11:52 AM
The following instance launches have been initiated: i-090c24014fed7b5d2
11:52 AM
proceeding with migration
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 12:05 PM
APM Account: https://rpm.newrelic.com/accounts/1908218/setup, login email is infrastructure@dallasmakerspace.org
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 12:14 PM
belay that.. they pushed the server monitoring behind a vendor gateway.
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 12:25 PM
@Denzuko.sdf.org might want to communicate with stan, he just emailed me "It looks like there are TWO instances of talk running. I'm stopping both, then bringing up one."
12:25 PM
@StanSimmons
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StanSimmons 5/25/2018 12:25 PM
two instances on aws. I stopped both and am bringing one back up
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 12:26 PM
@StanSimmons Dwight created the second instance to recover the first instance
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StanSimmons 5/25/2018 12:26 PM
oops.
12:27 PM
I had about a dozen emails, texts, etc. about talk.
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 12:28 PM
@StanSimmons The brooks.pem key did not work to login to the talk ec2 instance
12:28 PM
Do you have another key that works?
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StanSimmons 5/25/2018 12:28 PM
checking
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 12:29 PM
If not, Dwight will need to continue restoring the instance
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 12:31 PM
hey stan
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StanSimmons 5/25/2018 12:31 PM
hmmm. my key doesn't work either.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 12:31 PM
that's what I thought.
12:31 PM
bringing up the replacement again
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StanSimmons 5/25/2018 12:32 PM
ok, I'll get out of the way. 😉
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 12:33 PM
righty oh. your more than welcome to jump in
12:33 PM
need to know which software packages to install so we can finish provisioning the new instance
12:35 PM
I saw a bunch of entrees in the firewall, also what else is running on that instance?
12:37 PM
@StanSimmons @LukeStrickland is there anything else on the original instance other than talk? I'm about to move the block device over to the new instance
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 12:37 PM
I dont know if anyone knows that answer
12:37 PM
Any reason not to just mount the drive, replace the key, reboot the original ?
12:38 PM
That way we dont have to reverse engineer a server setup
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 12:38 PM
that's basically the same procedure here
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 12:38 PM
Ah, so you'll be destroying the new server you created?
12:38 PM
That'll be easier I think
12:39 PM
I suspect it's simply out of disk space, so maybe deleting a log file or something while you're in there too
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 12:48 PM
wow.. shite load of old kernel images
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David Kessinger 5/25/2018 1:20 PM
The error message has changed. Not sure if that is progress or not. New message "Secure Connection Failed"
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 1:26 PM
I've updated the dns and booted up the old instance
1:26 PM
still getting permission denied
1:27 PM
the app hasn't came back
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David Kessinger 5/25/2018 1:29 PM
Now owrks
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 1:29 PM
@David Kessinger semi related
1:29 PM
smashing
1:30 PM
@LukeStrickland @StanSimmons can you guys check if the brooks key works?
1:31 PM
otherwise this is going to go down again and I'd like to ensure we have access
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LukeStrickland 5/25/2018 1:34 PM
I cannot until I'm at DMS later sorry
1:35 PM
Can you make a post on talk @Denzuko.sdf.org ?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 1:35 PM
yes
1:35 PM
so that's back online
1:35 PM
but not the ssh
1:36 PM
at lease one can create an image of it and I'll work with that then
1:37 PM
oh and I also incressed the storage size by 50Gb
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/25/2018 1:48 PM
Expected Behavior Discuss server is operational Actual Behavior 502 Bad Gateway returned from server Steps to Reproduce the Problem visit https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/29/2018 4:02 PM
community grid logins should be corrected.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/30/2018 11:03 AM
Calendar Event Procedure Create snapshot Take down Talk's vm and attach storage to recovery vm Rekey instance and validate sshd_config Reattach Storage and Restart VM Prune docker Setup second...
11:04 AM
just a heads up ^
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A. Spencer(jast) 5/30/2018 11:13 AM
Hm. Your TOD is all over the place... Realizing it's not terribly important, but... calendar has 10-11AM, talk says 9-11AM, but notes CST, even though we're on CDT here in the Dallas area in June, meaning, if intentional, that this is scheduled from 8-10AM "local time"... Lookit that. Time for me to move along to other pedantic endeavors...
dms 1
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Denzuko.sdf.org 5/30/2018 11:16 AM
thanks for catching that. @.@
11:21 AM
post has been updated
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LukeStrickland 6/1/2018 10:05 AM
Talk maintenance ?
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LukeStrickland 6/1/2018 10:14 AM
What's the plan @Denzuko.sdf.org
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LukeStrickland 6/1/2018 1:06 PM
@Denzuko.sdf.org ??
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/3/2018 1:10 AM
maintnece window is opening
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/3/2018 1:31 AM
found the cause: #ssh-rsa AAAAB3.... brooks the only key on the box was commented out
1:31 AM
Looks like this happened on 2017-04-28
1:37 AM
key restored and updated management key added
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/3/2018 1:45 AM
access restored
1:45 AM
moving on to installing ddns
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/3/2018 2:08 AM
ddns, console diagnostic, and auto-updater /cleanup installed
2:09 AM
auto scanner not installed this round
2:09 AM
proceeded to backup to ECR
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/3/2018 2:27 AM
clean up underway
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/3/2018 3:06 AM
wow.. the site backups are 40Gb but uploads is less than 9Gb
3:10 AM
aborting the backup to ecr since that would take over 100Gb of s3 storage
3:12 AM
I also went though the error logs and didn't find much other than there was some messages being delayed for sending because of frequency of concurrent messages sent.
3:13 AM
maintence window has been completed successfully
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So no fix on the repeat old notifications and not being notified on posts you are watching/actively participating in then?
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Also now it seems we are missing images ... s3 is reporting access denied
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LukeStrickland 6/5/2018 9:39 AM
Yeah, still slow also
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Can we reinstall discourse? Then reimport some of the messages?
12:19 PM
Upgrade as well
12:19 PM
I noticed that it isn't using RDS
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LukeStrickland 6/5/2018 3:09 PM
@Draco you gonna be around tonight?
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No most likely not at the space until later this week
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LukeStrickland 6/5/2018 3:31 PM
ok np
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I am wanting to take a look a talk ... see if I can figure out what is wrong .. I need to get access to it
3:32 PM
@StanSimmons
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LukeStrickland 6/5/2018 3:44 PM
I'm going to fix it tonight
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3:44 PM
That's why I was inviting you lol
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LukeStrickland 6/5/2018 5:26 PM
@Denzuko.sdf.org which user can I use to login to the discourse server?
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LukeStrickland 6/5/2018 5:42 PM
We're out of cpu credits
5:43 PM
I'm enabling T2 unlimited to let it catch back up
5:43 PM
I verified our s3 bucket policy
5:44 PM
seems like expected files do not exist there
5:48 PM
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LukeStrickland 6/6/2018 9:39 AM
I'm getting notifications from 3 days ago
9:39 AM
maybe it's catching up?
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More CPU!!!!
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David Kessinger 6/6/2018 2:02 PM
I've gotten several today that are are 3rd or 4th repeats form 3 days ago.
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LukeStrickland 6/6/2018 3:22 PM
not surprised
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Any ideas on how to get better internet speeds at the space?
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What speeds are you getting?
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I couldn't tell you for sure. I was just trying to stream out and the internet was garbage.
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Stream out? So upload
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Right
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Check it Speedtest.net
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I will when I get to the space in a bit. I just know I never get close to what we say we have
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Think it could be the streaming service?
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I do know whatever we have running in pfsense kills some other stuff. Like it won't allow you to play overwatch on your personal pc
5:01 PM
I use twitch, I'll run the stream test from them as well
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Ya that sounds good for sure you want all the packet inspection off
5:02 PM
Not sure why filtering would be emailed to block over watch
5:02 PM
Enabled
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LukeStrickland 6/6/2018 5:04 PM
As far as I'm aware, it's not the internet speed.
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Dunno. Brooks never looked into it because he said we shouldn't be playing at the space. That's just my example of stuff being blocked by the space routers
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LukeStrickland 6/6/2018 5:04 PM
pfsense is pretty open
5:05 PM
Can you still not play overwatch?
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Haven't tried, can see what happens while I'm working on the printer
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LukeStrickland 6/6/2018 5:05 PM
Dwight & Stan got rid of a couple of useless buzzkill rules 6mo ago
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We were thinking it was the APs, my laptop has newer end wifi hardware
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LukeStrickland 6/6/2018 5:07 PM
Right, so something is completely fucked between a computer and the outbound internet
5:07 PM
Sometimes the wifi will be absolute shit, sometimes it'll work great on 5GHz, sometimes plugging in a network cable is shit, sometimes its not
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That's butts
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/6/2018 7:10 PM
so fyi if we're able to get me a list of overwatch's IP's/domains then I can open up the firewall for that game. if its using bittorrent or tor/i2p in anyway then no dice.
7:11 PM
as for many of the speed issues theres factors like cable quality, usage traffic (yes we have a lot of users on the wifi)
7:11 PM
just about anyone can see the traffic metrics by visiting prmonitoring.dms.local
7:12 PM
7:16 PM
ok just checked and it looks like we're peaking around 75Mb/s usage over the past month. Daily we're barely pushing 30Mb/s.
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@LukeStrickland said "Sometimes the wifi will be absolute shit, sometimes it'll work great on 5GHz, sometimes plugging in a network cable is shit, sometimes its not" I noticed something strange with the wifi .. I was getting 2000ms ping times local name server .. then it came down to 500ms .. we might need to do a frequency scan and see if we might need to change channels?
1:13 AM
I've also noticed something when plugging in non-domain computers .. sometimes it takes a while to connect to the internet with any speed ..
1:13 AM
but that might have been a nameserver issue .. I don't know if that got worked out
1:14 AM
We have two local IP addresses that are nameservers for each network .. at one time they were not returning the same results ... @Denzuko.sdf.org did you work on them?
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LukeStrickland 6/8/2018 5:19 PM
Powered through and added all the WHMCS hooks
5:19 PM
so MM4 can start handling them
5:21 PM
@Denzuko.sdf.org do we have anything like Sentry for exception monitoring?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/8/2018 5:47 PM
yes.
5:48 PM
newrelic and logstash / syslog going into prlxmonitor01
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StanSimmons 6/8/2018 10:06 PM
Sweet, Thanks @LukeStrickland
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LukeStrickland 6/9/2018 12:19 PM
i did finish it friday night
12:19 PM
got all the endpoints hooked up
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Has anyone looked into BuddyPress? https://buddypress.org/about/groups/
Fun & flexible software for online communities, teams, and groups
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/13/2018 5:44 PM
I'd have to see a good use case for adding something that big of a change to our WordPress site (edited)
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Different site
5:48 PM
I'm looking to create a maker community independant of DMS
5:49 PM
I would like to create something that other makerspaces can use as they start up or join .... the maker community is much bigger than any one makerspace
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/13/2018 6:50 PM
yes it is. So, got to ask how would it differ from hackerspaces.org, hackaday, makerspace.com, instructables, or the other five big sites out there dedicated to makery, makerspace/hackingspaces?
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Because it is more about helping makerspaces have the tools they need to build their space
7:14 PM
And cooperate with other spaces
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LukeStrickland 6/13/2018 7:23 PM
makeamakerspace
7:23 PM
MAKEaSPACE
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Alex Rhodes 6/14/2018 7:56 PM
@Denzuko.sdf.org you at the space?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/14/2018 7:56 PM
Roger
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Alex Rhodes 6/14/2018 7:57 PM
Ok
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/14/2018 8:02 PM
I'm in the break room getting coffee
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normal for remote?
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LukeStrickland 6/19/2018 4:19 PM
yes
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/19/2018 4:50 PM
yes until we're using rdp gateway then it's our standard letsencrypt certs
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StanSimmons 6/23/2018 7:14 PM
0000386432
7:14 PM
oops
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Does anyone know how to get the number of voting members? @StanSimmons do you know?
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/23/2018 10:02 PM
@Draco check the active directory security group "voting mebers". Currently shows 266.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/23/2018 10:12 PM
ldap search for CN=Voting Members,...
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Thanks 😃
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StanSimmons 6/24/2018 1:41 AM
192.168.200.32:8080/api/v1/tools/getCertifiedUsers?tool=voters&format=html
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/24/2018 3:42 PM
cool. should we set up an internal dns name for that?
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LukeStrickland 6/25/2018 6:01 PM
Stan told me @Denzuko.sdf.org and @Draco are waiting on me for calendar deployments?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 6/25/2018 6:29 PM
we should sync up wensday and see what's needed to deploy the latest round of updates
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LukeStrickland 6/26/2018 5:46 PM
Deployed.
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@Denzuko.sdf.org do you mind if I give a try in setting up the samba share for domain users on the large server? (edited)
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/2/2018 1:52 AM
sure
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@Denzuko.sdf.org could you PM me the info for it?
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@Denzuko.sdf.org @StanSimmons .... it looks like PRDC1 is not accepting replication ... my adm account is in PRDC2 and PRDC3 but not in PRDC1 .. along with a few others .. I ran a status on them and that confirms that there seems to be a problem with PRDC1
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I added a helpdesk issue
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Expected Behavior To run this script and get the result of 1. for ns in $(dig ns dms.local +short); do dig soa dms.local @$ns +short | cut -f 3 -d ' '; done | sort -u | wc -l This looks up ...
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It doesn't look like I'm going to be able to make it tonight .. my truck has two tires that need replacing and the tire store is not open
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Limey (MReynolds) 7/9/2018 7:10 AM
Is Talk down? I can't access, getting a "took to long to respond" error
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john a gorman 7/9/2018 7:13 AM
The network at the MakerSpace was down when I left at 11pm last night.
7:13 AM
I'm certain it is related
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FuriousJorge 7/9/2018 7:18 AM
Stan posted about it last night but talk was still up yhen. I'm sure its related.
7:22 AM
I'll have to pop on the server when I get in the office. sorry for the disruption of services guys we'll get things fixed up ASAP
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 7:23 AM
Who is we?
7:25 AM
Whmcs is not down, so its not RDS or the vpn causing it
7:26 AM
Calendar is also up
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FuriousJorge 7/9/2018 7:26 AM
Wiki is up too
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 7:28 AM
Very strange that talk would be down
7:28 AM
Its the most disconnected service we have lol
7:28 AM
doesn't talk to the internal network for anything as far as I know
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john a gorman 7/9/2018 7:28 AM
Strange the network at the space was down. That's more pressing
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 7:33 AM
that's more than likely because a few guys change settings to use prdc2 instead of finishing prdc4 and fixing prdc1
7:34 AM
if I can rdp in then I'll prioritize the network otherwise I'll get talk online and call the team for an emergency sev one break fix
7:39 AM
mobile hotspot and rdp not a good mix but looks like the network is online
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 8:15 AM
ok. I'm in the office and on rdp. going to check things in prlxmonitoring
8:15 AM
and there we go
8:15 AM
http://prlxmonitoring01/ is not resolving (edited)
8:16 AM
@Draco @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium did you guys copy over the local dns settings when you got prdc1b online?
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 8:17 AM
Talk is pegged at 100% cpu
8:17 AM
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 8:19 AM
and the pfsence is unable to authenticate
8:19 AM
ok, we're in a sev one state
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 8:19 AM
i dont know what sev one is
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 8:21 AM
severity priority one on the Incident Priority Matrix: https://wiki.en.it-processmaps.com/index.php/Checklist_Incident_Priority
An Incident's priority is usually determined by assessing its impact and urgency: 'Urgency' is a measure how quickly a resolution of the Incident is required. 'Impact' is measure of the extent of the Incident and of the potential damage caused by the Incident before it can be...
8:21 AM
so lets divy up the work here and tag team this thing
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 8:22 AM
ok
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 8:22 AM
luke, looks like your already signed into aws and looking over talk. do you want to take point on that one and I can address dms.local issues that are on our home network?
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 8:25 AM
Sure
8:25 AM
I'll add myself to the security group so I can remote in
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/9/2018 8:28 AM
@Denzuko.sdf.org we rebuilt PfSense last night due to a drive failure in the unit; we also haven't finished fixing the Leap post DC rebuilt due to what I suspect is a certificate issue from the leap instance on that DC that hasn't been updated in the PfSense config
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 8:29 AM
What state did you leave it in? Are you working on it now?
8:29 AM
cc @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium
8:30 AM
rofl the aws control panel is down for me
8:30 AM
10/10
8:30 AM
good now
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 8:31 AM
righty oh @LukeStrickland besure to clean up the security holes you poke when done
8:32 AM
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium so as of right now our monitoring system (snmp and syslog with email notifications on prlxmonitoring01.dms.local) is inaccessible. What's the plan of action with the pfsense? (edited)
8:34 AM
@LukeStrickland just checked, the community grid is amazingly, still online. That thing just keeps on trucking 😉
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 8:35 AM
Nice
8:42 AM
Talk's IP changed again, had to reboot to remote in, I updated DNS
8:42 AM
Figuring out what went wrong now
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/9/2018 8:42 AM
PfSense is currently using local auth; check with Stan for the current cred
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 8:42 AM
Looks like I’m headed back up there … @hon1nbo … are you around?
8:46 AM
Jul 8 15:57:42 ip-10-255-0-198 kernel: [3075686.112966] Out of memory: Kill process 25149 (ruby) score 93 or sacrifice child Jul 8 15:57:42 ip-10-255-0-198 kernel: [3075686.120417] Killed process 25149 (ruby) total-vm:2069436kB, anon-rss:374948kB, file-rss:0kB Jul 8 15:57:43 ip-10-255-0-198 dockerd[1041]: time="2018-07-08T15:57:42.944608073-05:00" level=error msg="libcontainerd: failed to receive event from containerd: rpc error: code = 13 desc = transport is closing"
8:49 AM
Nothing in the discourse logs, last thing running before oom was hourly cron but started ooming 15 minutes after cron started
8:49 AM
I'll be curious to see the monitoring on this server when that's back up
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 8:50 AM
same here
8:51 AM
in the mean time lets get telegraf and grafana on the server
8:51 AM
8:52 AM
In this tutorial, I will show you how to setup a monitoring stack for your infrastructure. So you can collects data from your servers, docker containers 🐋, and other kinds of network devices 📶 so you can analyze it for trends or problems. Note: All code is available o...
8:52 AM
better tutorial outside of our own published to hackaday
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 8:57 AM
i gotta go to a meeting so I'm doing nothing at the moment btw
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 8:58 AM
yeah I think we're out of the sev one since talk is back online and we have discovered the root cause with pfsense logins
8:59 AM
Thank you @LukeStrickland and @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium for your assistance today
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/9/2018 9:05 AM
Added another 0 to my DMS paycheck since I came in at 1 am to work on that router
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 9:09 AM
shit @Denzuko.sdf.org do you remember who we use for outgoing smtp?
9:09 AM
If the IP changes, SMTP cant auth and will eventually bring talk down again lol
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 9:09 AM
isn't that gmail?
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 9:09 AM
No, we use a different provider
9:10 AM
For talk / wiki / calendar
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 9:10 AM
should be in the admin wiki then
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 9:10 AM
Yeah I'm searching
9:10 AM
Sparkpost!
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 9:11 AM
that's an odd choice
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 9:11 AM
I agree
9:11 AM
The Allowed IP's is updated now
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 9:11 AM
good catch
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LukeStrickland 7/9/2018 9:11 AM
Yeah, Discourse reminded me
9:11 AM
9:12 AM
Neat feature
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 9:12 AM
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9:13 AM
ok, I'll be logged in but my <strike>night</strike> day job is starting to blow up in my inbox so if we need me for any sev two or higher ring my desk - 469-549-2055
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Someone needs to go through the txt DNS Backup of PRDC1 which Stan has and check the currrent Domain DNS servers because I am certain there are many that are not in there ..
2:44 PM
The old PRDC1 is running but with the network disabled
2:46 PM
I found the issue with the new virtualization server ... it is a Secure Bios setting that is keeping the hypervisor from running....
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 3:03 PM
on the drop down the VM version should be the older one not the default highlight
3:03 PM
otherwise it doesn't work
3:05 PM
imho, strongly suspect we should start using openstack instead of hyperv
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Are you talkiing about Gen 1 and Gen 2?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/9/2018 9:24 PM
yes, gen 1 works and gen 2 doesn't. also the VM would need to be blown away and remade instead of trying to get the gen 2 to work
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PRDC1b is working fine with gen 2
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the problem with PRVIR02 is in the bios
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/10/2018 12:05 AM
Hell no to OpenStack; that's asking for trouble. It's not meant for this size scale and would be an absurdly complex deployment for our needs. HyperV is fine for this, and works better with windows guests. If we were to switch, something like OpenNebula is better for our scale, or setup a vcenter cluster.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/10/2018 7:42 AM
opennebula is just as complex as openstack if not more so and while I'm pro VMWare they do get costly to run over time. the thing that's good about openstack besides we're already deployed it and it's well documented is that it's really just a bunch of python apps wrapping around xen and
7:44 AM
I agree hyperv is great for windows hosting but we mostly have Linux and only a rdp and ad server to host plus one cannot use rest to manage hyper v
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I'm curious why we need to create/manage VMs with REST or an API?
8:23 AM
Also, we hopefully will be getting another DC locally on different physical hardware .. (edited)
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/10/2018 8:37 AM
HA redundancy for systems is planned and in the works. got to least the ground work first.
8:40 AM
managing our systems via an API is the cornerstone of automation and auto remediation. if the network can self detect errors and discover itself then we should help enable the network to self heal as well.
8:42 AM
think it like this, the pfsense went down, that should have been caught earlier by the monitoring system and sent a billing report to Stan and myself (ie thechairs of infrastructure) for the replacement parts
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we then can pull the report from the monitoring system and used the cicd to run scanning playbooks to verify the results
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these same play books have web hooks that the monitoring system is able to call
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depending on the severity the monitoring system could even use these webhooks to create virtual hardware for fail over
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/10/2018 12:04 PM
@Denzuko.sdf.org have you ever setup either of them? OpenStack is far more complex and intensive than OpenNebula. It has a large number more moving pieces, and a lot more requirements that make it an unreasonable choice for us.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/10/2018 12:16 PM
outside of the interim CTO,fund management,and project management work I do. openstack and docker has been my bread and butter for years. Nmap motherboard sometime and you should find the instance I setup for the space
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/10/2018 12:21 PM
I review OpenStack, OpenNebula, Eucalyptus, etc as part of my work and run several private cloud deployments. I did not ask about your CTO or fund management, I asked if you yourself have deployed them (and to clarify, asking if you've ever actually deployed OpenNebula as well as OpenStack)
12:22 PM
so don't assume openstack is best for the space because you've used it before, I ask if you've actually used anything else
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/10/2018 12:29 PM
ok let's turn this around why would open nebula be better than anything we already have?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/10/2018 12:31 PM
Simpler to deploy and manage, has clean upgrade paths for long term, and easier maintanence
12:32 PM
OpenStack is more featureful and better suited for public deployments, but separating the clutter from the basics is not sustainable
12:33 PM
we have to operate as if someone like yourself or I are not always going to be managing things; OpenNebula, whilst simpler in terms of function, is something the average person with basic sysadmin experience can maintain
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/10/2018 12:49 PM
on that I agree, but we should also stive to have something that our caliber of tech shouldn't have to be called in to repair. So then how good is the documentation? Does one have to get a cert and read more than a manpage or is stackover more than enough to become a overnight sme?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/10/2018 12:50 PM
for OpenNebula, between their docs and StackExchange anyone with basic sysadmin can manage it. I don't like to plan for someone else to handle something either, but it's not just possible outages. We have to consider that, as volunteers, we suddenly are not available or, god forbid, the truck factor activates
12:53 PM
it's a ruby based web interface for users, an RPC API for automation, and SSH between the hypervisors to make clusters simple. It has a well documented CLI interface as well for the components. As far as Orchestration frameworks get, it's as close to "it just works" as one can get without using something like VMWare VMotion
12:55 PM
If we had, say 100 different VLANs, that's where I'd probably switch to OpenStack since Neutron handles larger network deployments better. ONE also has hybrid cloud support (it can tie into the AWS and deploy things in sync). I believe something similar exists for OpenStack but haven't used the hybrid functionality in a while
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/10/2018 1:35 PM
that's something to keep in mind, we are a hybrid cloud in aws and on prem with a few wanting to use Google app engine (nope not happen to that or azure) so can open nebula orchestrate aws, xen, and hyperv?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/10/2018 1:52 PM
I used it with HyperV back when I had those hypervisors, I ran my DCs on KVM once I graduated college since I no longer had TechNet licenses for my research labs. Haven't played with the driver since, but looking for the past few minutes and they may dropped it for some reason. Lemme do some digging to make sure. That might be a breaker right there.
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I spoke with Stan a bit today about upgrading. He wants things as simple as possible and as uncomplicated as possible. We don't have staff to manage it and the next group of volunteers will have to pick up and run with it. Documentation and Support are highly important. Both locally and the system we choose.
10:58 PM
I don't think we mind paying if we can get something that is well supported and simple.
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I have Hyper-V Server 2016 on PRVIR02 .. you can access it from any admin MMC ... PRDC1 is installed on it with Server 2016 but with just the OS install .. not even domain ... I was trying to access the pfSense web admin but apparently it is down and needs to be restarted via SSH .. Stan has the admin password .. I was going to take down 192.168.0.33 Vip to install the server .. DHCP needs to be changed to not use it yet
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Let me know if you work on it
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LukeStrickland 7/16/2018 12:20 PM
@Draco Hey, Stan let me know you wanted to get deploying the calendar working.
12:20 PM
We have one critical bug preventing the deployed master from launching, and it is a bug that prevents calendar events from showing up after two weeks (or something similar)
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@Draco can you send me a SSH key? I can add you to the deploy user so you can deploy
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@StanSimmons ... Since I am helping out with infrastructure .. I was talking to Stan about just putting a new key or keys for different people instead of the brooks.pem .. and getting rid of that
2:41 PM
I'm thinking that I need to be able to do what you did last week ... I need SSH access to the calendar, so that I might run cakephp console commands and composer commands ...
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I'm also going to deploy on a pre-production server before pushing anything to prod
2:45 PM
This is so we might test, look at changes and make certain they are what we want and in the way we want.
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@john a gorman
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@LukeStrickland
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LukeStrickland 7/16/2018 2:45 PM
The prod server has two vhosts, one for prod and one for test
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Deployment is done with deploy.php
2:46 PM
A deployment tool written in PHP with support for popular frameworks out of the box.
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Ok great
2:47 PM
What is the URL of the test?
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LukeStrickland 7/16/2018 2:48 PM
I gotta get to my laptop, so I don't have it right now You'll have to add a host entry on your computer.
2:48 PM
it's either calendar-test.dallasmakerspace.org or test-calendar.dallasmakerspace.org
2:48 PM
The vhost should point to the EC2 instance
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I need to be able to give it out to the people deciding the features of the calendar ... okay .. I will have to add a real domain name to it
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LukeStrickland 7/16/2018 2:49 PM
I didn't make it "real" so people wouldn't accidentally discover it
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We can put a NOINDEX on it
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LukeStrickland 7/16/2018 2:49 PM
Sure
2:49 PM
Whatever you want to do
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nods .. sounds good
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LukeStrickland 7/16/2018 2:49 PM
Do you have brooks.pem?
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Stan hasn't gotten around to giving that to me .. He has wanted to for some time but you know how things go .. I suggested that I didn't need access to all of the servers and that he just add my pem to the calendar
2:51 PM
We just haven't gotten around to changing all of it
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LukeStrickland 7/16/2018 2:51 PM
Ok, I agree with that
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Has your key been added to the calendar yet?
2:51 PM
If not, please send the public one my way and I can add you
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Ok .. I will send it to you
2:52 PM
later today
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john a gorman 7/16/2018 3:50 PM
Thanks guys
3:50 PM
Having a test version avail for user test would be ideal. I'm sure I can find a few folks to help
6:06 PM
52.87.106.101 test-calendar.dallasmakerspace.org
6:06 PM
is the hosts entry
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Alright thanks
6:08 PM
Is that the IP for SSH?
6:08 PM
What is the username?
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LukeStrickland 7/16/2018 6:08 PM
root 😃
6:08 PM
and I added your key
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oh haha
6:08 PM
thanks
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LukeStrickland 7/16/2018 6:09 PM
actually hold on
6:09 PM
I already added users
6:09 PM
@Draco what do you want your username to be?
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"draco" is fine .. or "adm_draco" ...
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LukeStrickland 7/16/2018 6:12 PM
Ok you can login with draco now with your key
6:13 PM
You can also deploy using dep deploy prod
6:13 PM
Which will deploy to that test-calendar
6:14 PM
Once we're confident in our deploy strategy and master code, we switch calendar over to the /srv/http/calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/app/current/public directory and we're done (edited)
6:15 PM
from then on out, easy deployments whenever
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I need to use the VPN to get to the server not the public IP, correct?
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LukeStrickland 7/16/2018 6:19 PM
Yes sorry, it's only available "at" dms
6:19 PM
So if you VPN to DMS, that should work
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I got in... thanks 😃
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LukeStrickland 7/16/2018 6:26 PM
existing calendar is something like /var/www/???
6:26 PM
what else do you want access to @Draco ?
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I will look into it .. but that should give me what I need for the calendar ..
6:30 PM
We also should look into sometime this year upgrading Ubuntu releases .. it is almost at the end of life
6:31 PM
Thanks Luke
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LukeStrickland 7/16/2018 7:10 PM
Couldn't get OpenCast working btw
7:10 PM
From the looks of it it cant find the webcam
7:10 PM
one of the webcams
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Thanks for looking into that ..
3:46 AM
It is the HTML to USB that it seems to be missing
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HDMI
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but I will be up there Wedenday
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oh @LukeStrickland ... I thought I would say that I am working in the test-calendar and I'm currently working on getting it running under php 7.2 .. right now it isn't working yet .. just a note (edited)
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but it is running 7.2 on test-calendar ... still 5.6 on the production
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Also, where do I add server notes .. I feel like I need to be documenting all changes I have made to the server structure ... admin wiki? I don't have access ... perhaps someone could get me into it
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I just added a 1G swap to the calendar instance
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composer was running out of memory ..
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john a gorman 7/18/2018 3:45 AM
Documenting is good. Very good. Thank you @Draco
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We all should be doing it constantly
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john a gorman 7/18/2018 3:46 AM
An infrastructure wiki would be better than the admin wiki. Really a different group needing access
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Perhaps we need one ... I think even chairs need to be documenting changes and reasons ..
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When you have many people doing things all over the place, it would be nice to search and find some background
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john a gorman 7/18/2018 3:48 AM
Truth
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I'm not certain the wiki format is really perfect for this sort of thing .. it does give structure and information but it is not the easiest to find anything
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Alex Rhodes 7/18/2018 10:50 AM
So last night I tried to print but the print server/DC was gone. I noticed there is now a PRDC1b but the printer isn't shared off of it. Is the printer set up on another server or are people expected to do direct IP adds?
10:51 AM
I know there have been issues and willing to help out where I can but I don't want to step on toes. Also my admin creds have been removed.
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StanSimmons 7/18/2018 1:04 PM
When we lost PRDC1, we lost a lot. There is almost no documentation for that stuff that I've been able to find. Until we are able to rebuild it, the direct IP is the way to go for the printer
1:05 PM
@Draco , I'm still waiting on @aceat64 to set me up as admin on the admin wiki, I can't add/remove anyone until that happens. I've asked him a couple of times....
1:07 PM
In the mean time most documentation should go in the regular wiki under Infrastructure. Only security or sensitive info needs to go in the Admin Wiki.
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Alex Rhodes 7/18/2018 1:14 PM
Unless it's changed the admin credentials for the admin wiki were tied to an AD group.
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StanSimmons 7/18/2018 1:22 PM
Andrew and Brooks are listed as local admins on it.
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well shit, I just saw this tag and now I see the hangouts message
1:42 PM
I can't even login to the admin wiki
1:43 PM
it rejects my creds
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Some how @Denzuko.sdf.org added himself
1:49 PM
Also, I don't think our internal server structure should be open to the general public. It is a security risk.
1:50 PM
There may need to be a members only wiki
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Booooo "your network is setup with strict NAT this will affect game play"
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/1/2018 5:28 PM
After having to play around with Chef and being confronted with documentation more sparse and ivory tower than java and the plan9 os combined. I’ve decided to take a few best ideas and apply them to ansible (not that they where missing to begin with) Ansible roles Instead ...
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I read ansible, I think Ender's Game.
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Alex Rhodes 8/5/2018 11:04 AM
Anyone here to help a user with access?
11:05 AM
William (bill) James needs to have his AD rights reinstated. I no longer have access to fix it.
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john a gorman 8/5/2018 1:19 PM
Check with @MotoPilot . he's by laser
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@Alex Rhodes
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At dinner now
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Did anyone get to this yet?
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"William (bill) James needs to have his AD rights reinstated."
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/6/2018 8:34 AM
did we put it up as an issue ticket?
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I don't see one under infrastructure
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/6/2018 9:24 AM
should be on helpdesk.dallasmakerspace.org
9:24 AM
that alerts all of the team whom can fix things
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/15/2018 3:38 PM
DMS now has a dedicated tensorflow and python serverless environment. Check it out at https://tensorflow.communitygrid.dallasmakerspace.org/?token=72d68548c56900f356795fa1d0bfef7e533e1b0cdce33020
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/18/2018 8:52 PM
is someone working on the pfsense or switched?
8:54 PM
external access to our services like the VPN, ssh/rdp, web and community grid are offline
8:58 PM
Stan says there's a power outage. is everyone ok do we need some extra hands?
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It was storming pretty bad over by my shop at Dnt and bush I think it was heading DMS s way, lots of rain and hailed a bit here also quite a bit of lightning
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/18/2018 9:04 PM
yeah I was about to race in through the storm but I guess everyone is enjoying a spooky time at the space from what I hear. hopefully everyone drives safe today
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We have a VPN? What are those other things ?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/18/2018 10:07 PM
yes, openvpn. it's documentation on talk. as for rdp that's remote desktop ( windows tech ) and ssh is the cli version (unix tech)
10:08 PM
as for the community grid...
10:09 PM
Want to join the grid? [image] VCC is building a cluster just for BOINC, Tenserflow, and Docker Swarm for members to do computation using data flow graphs for scalable machine learning and running nearly any linux application inside a container. BOINC is a program that enab...
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basically think of it as free for members serverless cloud for tensorflow, nodejs, or any other thing that one can put into a docker container
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Ah ok I didn't connect rdp and ssh to what they were so it's mainly the community grid and vpn I'll have to read up on thanks
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StanSimmons 8/23/2018 6:16 PM
Talk server is having difficulties.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/24/2018 8:23 AM
@Woody got the link to the helpdesk issue ticket for the maintenance on the 26th?
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LukeStrickland 8/24/2018 8:26 AM
There will be a planned outage of the network to perform required maintenance on our switching infrastructure. Outages will include server, network share (member and committee drives), WiFi and Internet access. Offsite Services should remain accessible from the outside reso...
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/28/2018 1:08 PM
@Woody you where asking about our NMS?
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that and the TICKstack are in mvp stages and we're needing to get snmp or the telegraph agent setup around the space along with configuring syslog forwarding
1:32 PM
if there's any volunteers for setting that up via automation then smashing
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yes Thanks!
3:41 PM
prlxmonitoring01 seems to be down rught now. "DB Error 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)" Guessign the DB Daemon isn't running
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/28/2018 3:42 PM
I'm guess there's an ip conflict, had to go into the console and give it a static ip.
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What IP are you using ?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/28/2018 3:42 PM
0.213
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.214 looks to be free if you want it.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/28/2018 3:44 PM
sigh.. ok we'll need to update the load balencer, dns, and maybe a lot of other things too
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that's a vm right?
3:47 PM
we can shut it down and hunt down the other system with the Dup IP if that is the problem.
3:48 PM
easier than all the changes to the FW & DNS
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/29/2018 4:12 PM
yep its a vm
4:13 PM
I'm suspecting the dup one is the util server (prlxutil)
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/29/2018 5:40 PM
@StanSimmons is the camera system (port 2992) down? I'm getting Connection Refused
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/29/2018 6:03 PM
back up
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/29/2018 6:56 PM
sounds like there's some buzz lately with the wifi acting up
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Expected Behavior Undercloud server motherboard is accessable via all services Actual Behavior Layer 2 passes tests Layer 3 does not get dhcp lease Steps to Reproduce the Problem ping motherboard.d...
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lets be kind to motherboard.. after all its running a lot of the core monitoring tools
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StanSimmons 8/29/2018 9:57 PM
I've asked @Woody to move the DHCP and DNS services from the PFSense box over to the Domain Controller as soon as he finishes fixing the Cisco routers.
9:57 PM
Hopefully that will put the DHCP issues to bed and fix some of the wierdness that we see in DNS.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/30/2018 12:23 PM
The new Dynatorch for Metal will have AD support, finally!
12:24 PM
if we run a hard wire we'd have to isolate with some FW rules though, but WiFi wouldn't be an issue as long as no one bridges the ethernet on the computer to the wireless interface. The torch controller talks to the system over TCP/IP
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/30/2018 1:28 PM
hmmm, camera system offline again it seems
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StanSimmons 8/30/2018 6:05 PM
F*ing DHCP on PFSense is acting up again.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/30/2018 6:55 PM
o.O .. I'll poke around after the scrum
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/31/2018 10:08 AM
also tonight / this weekend may try and get that other camera working in Metal finally
10:08 AM
is the cable tester in the server room?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/31/2018 12:06 PM
there should be a few in there.
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I started to migrate the DHCP last night and found abunch of static entries so it will be done tonight while I am on site
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/31/2018 1:58 PM
smashing. any way we can also make sure there's no dhcp poisoning or arp attacks?
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I'll See what I can do. (edited)
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/31/2018 3:04 PM
smashing. thanks Woody
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that'll get us a lot closer to PCI compliance and kicking off things with killbill (edited)
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/31/2018 4:31 PM
Domain Controller can't reliably do ARP poison detection when it also can be ARP spoofed, but IMHO most malicious actions stopped doing that because it's too noisy; best to do it at the Router or Switch level
4:31 PM
DMS can't have it'
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s current systems be PCI by any stretch of the imagination; there is too much uncontrolled assets and lack of other security measures without rebuilding a lot of stuff
4:33 PM
the iPads using Square or a Stripe system on the backend are one thing, but as an org that has very poor asset control we really shouldn't be trying to do anything PCI on-site
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/31/2018 5:04 PM
yeah I know. it's a big push for all of the changes we've been churning through
5:05 PM
for instance the docker based systems with cicd deployments, secrets stored in vault instead of a wiki, and locking down the networks.
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we've come a long way since I joined up and we're getting better. once we knock out the stability of the DHCP and ad then it's just a matter of enforcement for the central logging, apm and vlans segmentation of wifi, desktops, and the like
5:09 PM
then services can be deployed via a private docker registry where images are scanned on builds and nids can be implemented higher up the stack
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/31/2018 9:28 PM
part of the bigger issue is that you'll need a new domain for the PCI stuff or make it all local auth
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currently the domain auth services are too exposed, and you would need a lot of changes on the DMS workstations and hosts to lock things down enough to prevent pivoting
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/1/2018 3:58 PM
quite true. think we could hash out a few ideas on how to go about resolving that?
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😢 I won't be back in town until the 14th at the earliest- I wish I could go to that meeting!
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 9/3/2018 4:39 PM
@Denzuko.sdf.org yeah I'm down for a chat on it; in the end I don't see a reason why we would want to do anything PCI on our end; it's a lot of trouble for not much benefit. However, I'm all ears for whatever idea you have going.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/3/2018 10:43 PM
Recently version Observium 15 was released by TurnKey Linux. With prlxmonitoring01 offline it's time to upgrade.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/3/2018 11:14 PM
@Woody prlxmonitoring01 restored
11:14 PM
@StanSimmons admin password on the wiki
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thank you
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/3/2018 11:14 PM
closing ticket
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i have the basics of your dev server done. I just need to finalize it.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/3/2018 11:15 PM
cool
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finally got dns and dhcp moved off of pfsense. need to document it. switch clean up still continues
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/3/2018 11:18 PM
What would be the best route for us to setup snmp on all the systems(win, lin, cisco, pfsence, ...) at the space? cicd based ansible task, shell script, or gpio?
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for windows GPO is easiest if it is working.
11:19 PM
I'm signing off for the night. 530 is early
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/3/2018 11:23 PM
righty oh. lets plan out a method that's repeatable for updating all change items to use syslog and snmp -> prlxmonitoring01 (or a vip pool at the pfsense which forwards to a few instances of observium/tick stack)
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/3/2018 11:33 PM
hey.. if we setup dynamic dns then have a task to register devices via POST https://dmsmonitoring:dmsmonitoring2018@prlxmonitoring01/api/devices with the device's hostname then we can get away from worrying about dhcp issues (edited)
11:33 PM
or dns issues at that
11:36 PM
and in the end the source of truth for inventory becomes the inventory management system instead of some wiki page that no one ever updates
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/4/2018 1:00 AM
phase one ip's for vlan9 populated in observium / prlxmonitoring01. time to call it a night. hopefully soon here motherboard will be back online
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/4/2018 11:41 AM
Status for the day. Doing some maintenance today after some devops leadership work. Focus: Gitlab + ldap auth and redeploying swarm nodes (infrastructure only ones not community grid ones) in a 3:5 master/slave config via vagrant, ansible, and gitlab. Stretch goal: deploy community grid stack and hashicorp vault
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/4/2018 12:33 PM
This site can’t be reached admin-www took too long to respond. Search Google for admin wiki Main Page ERR_CONNECTION_TIMED_OUT
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admin wiki is down
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go figure, just about to document the gitlab server too (edited)
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denzuko@prlxjump:~$ ping admin-www.dms.local PING admin-www.dms.local (192.168.200.60) 56(84) bytes of data. From 192.168.200.36 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable From 192.168.200.36 icmp_seq=2 Destination Host Unreachable From 192.168.200.36 icmp_seq=3 Destination Host Unreachable ^C --- admin-www.dms.local ping statistics --- 5 packets transmitted, 0 received, +3 errors, 100% packet loss, time 4023ms pipe 3
12:36 PM
which vm is that on?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/4/2018 2:05 PM
@Woody how are we assigning ip addresses on vlan9 now?
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prvir2
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@Denzuko.sdf.org checking into it.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/4/2018 4:11 PM
MMC Console for administering DMS systems. Yes it lives on \files\committees\infrastructure
4:17 PM
anywho lunch then heading to the space for the priorities meeting. anyone coming?
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(Moved from General Chatter) @Nate No problem on the wiki subject. Since I have such a background in knowledge bases, it makes sense for me to help. One of my projects for BofA was gathering information on over 100 different software from different companies. This falls under Infrastructure so I’ll ask if they want a team to deal with it.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/8/2018 9:35 PM
not too sure what your wanting to help with @MizGeek ?
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Some were lamenting the organization of the wiki. (In General Chatter and Talk)
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/8/2018 9:42 PM
as a committee we are going over the operations requirements for our infrastructure and that includes the standards for documentation so if your interested then we'll meet this coming Wednesday at 7pm
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It’s on my calendar 🙃 I have over 25 years of documentation and knowledge bases. Which I probably shouldn’t admit. 😝
9:47 PM
Wait... is the meeting this coming Wednesday or the 19th?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/9/2018 3:17 PM
the work group checks in on Wednesdays
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/10/2018 5:10 PM
I think we're still having some issues with the network. Just added in one of the nodes to the cluster and now motherboard is dropping packets. @here @Woody
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what is the IP o f the node you just added>
5:26 PM
?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/10/2018 5:51 PM
192.168.0.105
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prlxcompute02 is the offender
5:52 PM
01 joined just fine and 03 ...
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StanSimmons 9/10/2018 6:04 PM
!members
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6:14 PM
yep keep seeing both workers go down
6:14 PM
we may want to do some packet inspection
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192.168.0.105 is leased to boot2docker.dms.local is that the correct machine?
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and 105 and 106
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and 107
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/10/2018 6:39 PM
ah..ok so guess need to use some sort of way to set the host name on first boot up instead of after
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I think I can try a reservation and see if that will set the name. I will try it with 105. What name is on that one.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/10/2018 6:47 PM
prlxcompute01 through 04
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four nodes
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I've assigned 01- .105, 02- .106, 03- 107, 04 - .99
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I've also given them names in the reservations so we will see how that works out
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/10/2018 7:15 PM
smashing
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thanks @Woody
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I'm going to put static DNS Entries also
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/10/2018 7:15 PM
:+1:
7:18 PM
is there any way to automated that say via ldap, http, or powershell?
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automate which part?
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poershell for sure
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powershell
7:19 PM
that is not the subnet that random stuff will go on. That is the current mgmt subnet
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/10/2018 7:20 PM
static DHCP registering with hostname and dns entry?
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yes but I'm thinking about chaos monkey level architect
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reading
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/10/2018 7:22 PM
ie a job in gitlab runs a script that can bring up a new VM for boot2docker at any point (updates, outages, etc.)
7:24 PM
if your looking for things to read it's called infrastructure as code
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not really I'm looking for solutions that are easy to implement, easy to train, everyday skill set to use. We are DMS not aws or azure or google.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/10/2018 7:26 PM
yes I'm looking at that too plus also looking at what the market trends are.
7:28 PM
devops and infrastructure as code is how everyone else is doing things for the past 10 years. and we're going to need to be agnostic since we have both aws and on prem
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i've got to go for now
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/10/2018 7:28 PM
:+1:
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StanSimmons 9/10/2018 8:26 PM
Ummm... the wifi's are on 192.168.0.101-109
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Unifi WiFi AP's
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StanSimmons 9/10/2018 8:41 PM
@Woody & @Denzuko.sdf.org
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umm Ok I will move them
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the dockers
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StanSimmons 9/10/2018 8:42 PM
I can move the Unifi's pretty easily too, what would be a good range for 16 of them
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i can move the docker. My OCD didn't like them not being contiguous
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StanSimmons 9/10/2018 8:43 PM
I had the same thought about the Unifi AP's, I have 7 more to add, maybe 8
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I will start at 192.168.0.50 if available
8:46 PM
101-125 for you ok?
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for AP's
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StanSimmons 9/10/2018 8:47 PM
yep, there are some DHCP addresses already leased in that range
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Can you check the DHCP lease range to make sure it doesn't overlap?
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it's set for 100 -200 currently
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I need to scan that subnet to see where everything lands
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StanSimmons 9/10/2018 8:49 PM
do we have anything in the 200-254 range?
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... scanning now
8:50 PM
looks like nothing active above 210.
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210, 254, 230
8:51 PM
254 is killbill and 230 is the Drac on motherboard
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StanSimmons 9/10/2018 8:51 PM
ah, ok neither is responing to ping
8:53 PM
Lets carve out 240-254 for wifi AP's and move killbill... or at this point kill him off since no one has done anything with him for a year
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StanSimmons 9/10/2018 9:15 PM
I've moved all of the Unifi AP's out of 101-109.
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ok Thank you!
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sure you dont want 231 thru 254. Plannind for 106?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/10/2018 10:04 PM
@StanSimmons I'll be added it to the cluster this week
10:05 PM
do it should have one is for the nic and one for the idrac
10:07 PM
that would give us our prod and test environments plus some compute to spare
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Sorry I am unfamiliar with your project. What are you adding and what are you needing?
10:14 PM
oh not to me. nevermind
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StanSimmons 9/10/2018 10:22 PM
Shouldn't we have a seperate subnet for the idrac's?
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yes and will when we resubnet into more sensible IP Spaces.
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speaking of unreasonable subnets ... I went to an Ihop to and used their wifi ... they have a seperate address space for the IPs tthey give for the one or two wifi people in the restaurant ... it was 10.0.0.0/8 ... the problem came in when I needed to connect to a VPN that was on a 10. / 24 ..
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StanSimmons 9/10/2018 10:33 PM
lol
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hmmmmm. turn off split tunnelling on your VPN. If you can. also called local lan access. but that's just funny. why didn't they use 1.0.0.0 /1 or 1.0.0.0 /0 if it would take it
10:36 PM
!members
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!weather
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!?
10:36 PM
!help
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! I Need to sleep now
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/11/2018 4:34 PM
ok, prod/preprod environemtns setup - https://communitygrid.dallasmakerspace.org/#/swarm/visualizer I'll add kill bill as a second manager once I visit the space and diagnose why layer 3 is failing
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/11/2018 4:48 PM
we now also have password and certificate management - https://communitygrid.dallasmakerspace.org/#/secrets
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LukeStrickland 9/12/2018 1:51 PM
We updating talk right now or something?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/12/2018 4:13 PM
nothing was put on the calendar
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 9/13/2018 12:41 AM
talk is down
12:41 AM
504 gateway timeout from Nginx
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so assuming the backend is down
12:42 AM
also FYI I got the ball rolling with okta to fix our email aliases with google
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/13/2018 8:50 AM
smashing.
8:51 AM
504 with talk might mean storage issues with the VM
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 9/14/2018 8:54 PM
I got the proxy addresses in Okta set again for G Suite; it ended up renewing our authentication token with g suite
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I don't have an alias yet to test with, but it should be there though it might wait for the next directory sync to actually push out
8:54 PM
IIRC 30 min sync intervals
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/15/2018 12:06 AM
:+1:
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 9/15/2018 5:42 AM
still not functional completely, but at least now that the attribute mapping is present again should be workable. Gonna debug it later though
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/18/2018 2:07 PM
just checking in, was there anything going on tonight?
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john a gorman 9/30/2018 5:10 PM
@Denzuko.sdf.org thanks for getting me access to the website. How do I access? Where is it maintained? Is there documentation?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 9/30/2018 5:11 PM
think I'm missing the context, which site?
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john a gorman 10/1/2018 12:33 AM
@Denzuko.sdf.org dallasmakerspace.org
12:34 AM
I want to change the graphic on the landing page and some of the text. Later we will look at the entire website
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Denzuko.sdf.org 10/1/2018 12:35 AM
its a wordpress site so hit dallasmakerspace.org/login
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john a gorman 10/1/2018 12:37 AM
Excellent! I haven't used WordPress in a few years, but I have set up and customized a few WP sites.
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john a gorman 10/1/2018 12:45 AM
@Denzuko.sdf.org sent you a pm
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john a gorman 10/6/2018 9:16 AM
Member drives are down. Aliases not working.
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LukeStrickland 10/7/2018 5:40 PM
@Draco You messing with www?
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We were trying to remove the old admin wiki .. and got a bit carried away with the commenting out bit .. thanks for fixing it
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Denzuko.sdf.org 10/7/2018 11:19 PM
👍
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@StanSimmons the MultiCAM software is it's on /committee/infrastructure/applications/S4 Installer Only
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StanSimmons 10/12/2018 5:50 PM
Got it, thanks
5:50 PM
Mitch, can you bail out of the jumpserver, we need to reboot it to complete the install?
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Yeah I wasn't in it anymore hope it was restarted
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@StanSimmons ... Two questions ...
2:58 PM
One .. Can you refund my account for the second "1st Monthly Family Add-on" .. I signed up for a second one because I thought the first one had dropped .... registered 10/13/2018 (edited)
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Two .. How does one change the password for an addon?
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StanSimmons 10/13/2018 6:27 PM
I've killed off the second "1st Family Addon". MakerManager / My Badges is where you change the family addon info. In the future, please send an email to Accounts@DallasMakerspace.org
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okay .. thanks @StanSimmons
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LukeStrickland 10/21/2018 5:43 PM
@Draco has the calendar been touched?
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What do you mean by touched?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 10/22/2018 6:54 PM
@LukeStrickland what's the url door the changelog?
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LukeStrickland 10/22/2018 6:54 PM
?
6:54 PM
What
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Denzuko.sdf.org 10/22/2018 6:56 PM
Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/calendar development by creating an account on GitHub.
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LukeStrickland 10/22/2018 6:56 PM
What's up?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 10/22/2018 6:56 PM
Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/calendar development by creating an account on GitHub.
6:57 PM
looks like on dev Draco fixed a few depricated items
6:58 PM
was there changes on the server which where out of the repo?
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LukeStrickland 10/22/2018 7:00 PM
I know WHMCS was upgraded to PHP7
7:00 PM
So that would be untracked from the repo
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Denzuko.sdf.org 10/22/2018 7:01 PM
that's outside of the calendar code base
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LukeStrickland 10/22/2018 7:01 PM
Same thing I just said 😃
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Denzuko.sdf.org 10/22/2018 7:01 PM
lolz
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Makermanager 3 was also upgraded to 7.2
11:20 PM
We are going to upgrade the talk server next on Wednesday evening, Thursday Morning ... or at least thats the plan
11:21 PM
The Dev Branch of calendar is under http://calendar-dev.dallasmakerspace.org ...
11:22 PM
There are bugs I am working on in it
11:22 PM
The header is red to differentiate it from production
11:23 PM
They are separate databases
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I have not made any changes to calendar production (edited)
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LukeStrickland 10/23/2018 6:45 AM
Nice! That's awesome
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 5:46 AM
talk is down
5:46 AM
hopefully no one is working on it 😃
5:49 AM
docker is up, instance is up
5:49 AM
load avg 0
5:54 AM
./launcher stop app did not work
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 10:06 AM
Guess talk is down again?
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/7/2018 10:07 AM
looks like...
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 10:10 AM
I guess it's on me
10:11 AM
Can't login to aws...
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/7/2018 10:11 AM
me neither
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 10:12 AM
Can you normally login to aws?
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/7/2018 10:12 AM
(kidding! I have no access nor login info)
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 10:12 AM
oh ok 😛
10:14 AM
10:16 AM
Redis error again
10:23 AM
Going to try "rebuilding"
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 10:43 AM
Upgrading the instance
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FuriousJorge 12/7/2018 10:48 AM
You can just say. "Performing magic"
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 10:49 AM
"Performing Magic"
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FuriousJorge 12/7/2018 10:50 AM
Better
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 10:56 AM
Rebuild apparently does a full upgrade
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FuriousJorge 12/7/2018 10:57 AM
May as well since its offline anyway no?
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:00 AM
Yeah
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:07 AM
back up??
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:22 AM
cc @Draco
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Omg
11:33 AM
Breaking all the forums!
11:33 AM
Sky is falling!
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:33 AM
Draco is just confusing me...
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Aye
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:34 AM
If we had a DoS that's fine, but the logs wont help
11:34 AM
We use CloudFlare... So everything is proxied...
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I'm still confused on the version upgrade
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:34 AM
That was accidental
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Ah, as long as it was you it's all good
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:34 AM
rebuild apparently reinstalls everything to newest
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Hehe
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:34 AM
I thought it reinit'd the docker image
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Is ok, their man pages suck
11:35 AM
Looks like we have to reinit email
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:35 AM
I turned it off
11:35 AM
It slowly crashes the server
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I appreciate you being the man!
11:36 AM
Server needs a cron job to reboot nightly
11:36 AM
Will fix the slow email death
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:36 AM
I'm going to limit all traffic to only from CloudFlare i think
11:36 AM
if I find out we're being DoS'd
11:38 AM
11:39 AM
I'd like to resize the instance, it's constantly hitting the ram limit and pruning threads
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If we are hitting the ram limit then it makes sense
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:43 AM
Resizing per approval from stan
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Yeah and there's no swap
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:(
11:44 AM
No swap is not good
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:45 AM
discourse is terribly inefficient software
11:45 AM
very mad at it
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I've always love vbulletin
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:46 AM
Mannnn
11:46 AM
that takes me back
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Was never free but worked good and had a huge base
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FuriousJorge 12/7/2018 11:46 AM
Mr fancy with vbulletin. I cut my teeth on phpbb
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Haha I did as well
11:47 AM
Then I traded up!
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FuriousJorge 12/7/2018 11:47 AM
Vbulletin template pages were a dream. So great
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So much nice functionality built in too
11:49 AM
Sky is falling again, Luke broke the forums
11:50 AM
Let's get out the pitchforks and tiki torches
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:51 AM
54.211.14.53 is talk's new permanent IP
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FuriousJorge 12/7/2018 11:52 AM
This is why I'm here
11:52 AM
Inside info
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Keys up the low orbit in cannon
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Here are the logs ......
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Wtf phone
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This shows a Ddos
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Keys up Low Orbit Ion Cannon
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FuriousJorge 12/7/2018 11:54 AM
Lol
11:55 AM
Luke you ready for the onslaught of "why did you uprgade" questions?!
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:55 AM
Can I respond with middle finger?
11:55 AM
Or no
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We can downgrade
11:55 AM
I did take a backup first 😃
11:56 AM
Talk is back up
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We were getting flooded from many IP addresses
11:56 AM
I don't think it was going through cloudflare
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:56 AM
Yes, check bgp.he.net
11:57 AM
Those IPs point to cloudflare
11:57 AM
So we'll need to investigate some settings there
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Well.. last night it was enough to take the server offline
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:57 AM
Yeah that's crazy
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why would someone be flooding ... 2018/12/07 04:34:21 [error] 55#55: *24415693 limiting requests, excess: 12.508 by zone "flood", client: 162.158.186.71, server: , request: "GET /notifications?recent=true&limit=11&=1544133180048 HTTP/1.1", host: "talk.dallasmakerspace.org", referrer: "https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/2018-advent-of-code/47147/10"
11:58 AM
It is to your post
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 11:58 AM
Never seen that error
11:58 AM
I didnt realize we had ratelimiting on in nginx
11:59 AM
@yashsedai seemed to have fixed performance...
11:59 AM
Resizing that is
11:59 AM
We now have surplus ram
11:59 AM
Before it was constantly killing threads
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But why would we be getting so many requests with the referrer of one URL
12:00 PM
Someone was doing something
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 12:01 PM
Might reach out to CloudFlare, see if they can help a lowly nonprofit
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That ip belongs to cloudflare
12:01 PM
There are many IPs
12:01 PM
they all might be cloudflare
12:01 PM
I don't know
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FuriousJorge 12/7/2018 12:02 PM
Our own host DOSed us??? Jk. I'll be over in the corner
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Download the logs and see if you can make any sense of it
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Ok
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 12:02 PM
Nah they're just passing all traffic through
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Sed awk time
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 12:04 PM
cat error.log.1 | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr 33893 162.158.186.173 30053 162.158.186.11 19087 108.162.238.112 17435 108.162.237.99 15994 162.158.186.71 14717 162.158.186.191 14621 162.158.186.95 13629 162.158.187.36 12030 162.158.186.119 6877 108.162.238.100 82 162.158.186.149 27 162.158.142.69 4 172.68.65.125 2 162.158.78.213
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brb lunch
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All cloudlfare
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I wonder what limits they place on requests before they start limiting them
12:06 PM
I thought that was one of the reasons we had it
12:06 PM
perhaps there is a way to set them
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What is the time frame for that error log
12:06 PM
One day?
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I have the rest of the logs as well
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How does it compare to previous days?
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There is the previous day ... I believe ...
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Before that .... just one error .... 2018/12/04 13:59:27 [error] 54#54: *23267026 open() "/var/www/discourse/public/assets/components/gallery/css/mgr.css" failed (2: No such file or directory), client: 172.69.33.88, server: _, request: "GET /assets/components/gallery/css/mgr.css HTTP/1.1", host: "talk.dallasmakerspace.org", referrer: "http://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/assets/components/gallery/css/mgr.css" (edited)
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the day before that .. 2018/12/03 19:04:43 [error] 55#55: *22964233 limiting requests, excess: 12.496 by zone "flood", client: 172.69.62.69, server: _, request: "GET /posts/292707?_=1543847627393 HTTP/1.1", host: "talk.dallasmakerspace.org", referrer: "https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/past-due-receipts-23-383-unaccounted-expenses/47009/202" 2018/12/03 19:10:34 [error] 55#55: *22967125 upstream prematurely closed connection while reading response header from upstream, client: 172.69.33.148, server: _, request: "GET /onebox?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amsat.org%2Ffox-1cliff-launch-live-blog%2F&refresh=false&user_id=94 HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://127.0.0.1:3000/onebox?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amsat.org%2Ffox-1cliff-launch-live-blog%2F&refresh=false&user_id=94", host: "talk.dallasmakerspace.org", referrer: "https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/c/interest-groups/amateur-radio" 2018/12/03 22:33:23 [error] 55#55: *23047059 upstream prematurely closed connection while reading response header from upstream, client: 162.158.79.184, server: _, request: "GET /onebox?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amsat.org%2Ffox-1cliff-launch-your-help-is-needed%2F&refresh=false&user_id=3398 HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://127.0.0.1:3000/onebox?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amsat.org%2Ffox-1cliff-launch-your-help-is-needed%2F&refresh=false&user_id=3398", host: "talk.dallasmakerspace.org", referrer: "https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/fox-1cliff-in-orbit/47258" 2018/12/04 06:00:19 [error] 54#54: *23184203 upstream prematurely closed connection while reading response header from upstream, client: 162.158.59.99, server: _, request: "GET /onebox?url=https%3A%2F%2Fqdl.recycledknockers.com%2Fqdl%2F&refresh=false&user_id=655 HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://127.0.0.1:3000/onebox?url=https%3A%2F%2Fqdl.recycledknockers.com%2Fqdl%2F&refresh=false&user_id=655", host: "talk.dallasmakerspace.org", referrer: "https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/site-trouble/47264/3"
12:12 PM
that is in total for that day
12:12 PM
so the floods are unusual
12:13 PM
It could be a misbehaving bot?
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that GET request wasn't to Luke's post, it was "from" it
12:28 PM
could be a bug with the client side code
12:28 PM
could be with the spoilers code?
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You are correct @aceat64 ... the referrer was all pointing to Lukes post
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I believe /notifications is part of the API that's used by the client-side javascript
12:33 PM
that URL is a bit odd though, specifically the query string
12:33 PM
this: GET /notifications?recent=true&limit=11&=1544133180048
12:33 PM
where's the variable name for the last part?
12:33 PM
copy/paste error is that exactly as it appears in the log?
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The last part is generally to keep from caches happening
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It is just a unique number
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weird, I've never seen it done without a variable name, but I haven't had to deal with front-end in a long time
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could have someone tail -f the log file and open that thread again
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at least in my browser I'm not making multiple requests to/notifications though
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The code was upgraded and is likely different code now ....
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yeah, likely that resolved it then
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currently it only seems to call that endpoint if I click on my profile picture
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I would think that we would have the issue quite often if it was a bug ...
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But I'm not seeing it
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interesting, the query string variable name for that cache busting is _ (underscore) when I make the request
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probably discord stripped it out in the first copy/paste
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anyway, seems like it's all good now I guess
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We need to setup some sort of log monitoring for our servers ... I believe Dwight set something up locally called observium but we may be upgrading that to another package and plug Talk into it
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I spoke too soon
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getting an error when trying to look at a profile
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GOD said... ∇ ⋅ D = ρ ∇ ⋅ B = 0 ∇ x E = - ∂B/∂t ∇ x H = ∂D/∂t + j ...and then there was LIGHT!!!
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just getting constant spinner/loading
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ahh finally timed out: :( Server Error while trying to load /u/mblatz/summary.json Error code: 502 error
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Yup .. looks like a bug. I'm not surprised as it was an unexpected upgrade
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It most likely is misconfiguration and it didn't upgrade properly
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seems to only be the summary page, /activity works
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can even view my own summary, maybe related to the green dot plugin or some other plugin
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My idea when we upgraded was to install a fresh version and then import the data. Then install the plugins that we want. I know one of the plugins was half installed
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It said it was installed but it wasn't working
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probably retort, that one has been broken for a long time
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We are now getting a whole lot of messages such as this with different urls in the error logs 2018/12/07 18:31:58 [error] 61#61: *14574 upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while reading response header from upstream, client: 173.245.52.69, server: _, request: "POST /topics/timings HTTP/1.1", upstream: "http://127.0.0.1:3000/topics/timings", host: "talk.dallasmakerspace.org", referrer: "https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/"
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When I attempt to load a profile summary .. I get this in the unicorn logs .. D, [2018-12-07T19:09:48.747779 #71] DEBUG -- : waiting 16.0s after suspend/hibernation I, [2018-12-07T19:09:49.895993 #6650] INFO -- : worker=3 ready E, [2018-12-07T19:10:14.773319 #71] ERROR -- : worker=2 PID:5565 timeout (31s > 30s), killing
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We seem to be getting alot of these Failed to optimize image: unknown reason location: /tmp/gravatar20181207-192-1eikt4v.png error_message: ImageOptim::TimeoutExceeded
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 1:21 PM
I'm back now
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 2:23 PM
Not liking this
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I have no idea what's causing the slowdown
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User profiles do not load even with ALL plugins disabled
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We could spin up a new VM and install a fresh instance and then import the data over
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and install the plugins
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that was the original plan on upgrading
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 2:40 PM
How do you import the data? Is that built in?
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It's rare to find software that supports backups and restores
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66GB
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There is a backup and restore function
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in the admin section
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also ....
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Started GET "/latest.json?order=default&_=1544209660177" for 162.158.78.246 at 2018-12-07 20:46:31 +0000 Processing by ListController#latest as JSON Parameters: {"order"=>"default", "_"=>"1544209660177"} Rendering text template Rendered text template (0.0ms) Rendering text template Rendered text template (0.0ms) Rendering text template Rendered text template (0.0ms) Completed 200 OK in 1278ms (Views: 0.1ms | ActiveRecord: 1043.5ms)
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1.2 seconds for a latest list of topics?
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that does seem excessively slow
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It looks like the Database is slow
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ActiveRecord is taking up 1 second
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 2:52 PM
db is 9GB
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which isnt too bad
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Also .. one of the top processes is Imagemagick convert 18679 discour+ 20 0 311668 186236 7356 R 66.7 2.3 0:02.00 convert
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66.7%
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of cpu
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 2:53 PM
max image is 409kb
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so thats impossible to even see that
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it should be amazingly quick
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Haven’t been to the Space much lately. Building this stitch & glue kayak at home with a couple of friends. More to come! These pics are scarfing the plywood blanks, bonding them together. Finally, the finished panels ready to start stitching.
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Those were the 3 photos
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from the tmp space .. -rw------- 1 discourse www-data 597165 Dec 7 20:54 discourse-download20181207-15746-1wax8e6.jpeg -rw------- 1 discourse www-data 1070515 Dec 7 20:54 discourse-download20181207-15746-gdvc8d.jpeg -rw------- 1 discourse www-data 1080099 Dec 7 20:54 discourse-download20181207-15746-k715gp.png -rw------- 1 discourse www-data 220124 Dec 7 20:55 discourse-thumbnail20181207-15746-17q67ml20181207-15746-1p70wf1.png -rw------- 1 discourse www-data 220124 Dec 7 20:55 discourse-thumbnail20181207-15746-17q67ml.png
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27838 discour+ 20 0 221556 92428 7356 R 93.3 1.1 0:00.59 convert
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93.3%
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 2:58 PM
those are all less than 1mb
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convert jpeg:/var/www/discourse/tmp/download_cache/5e6a3c34de47bbb9804124774a6c3ca1817fdc32.jpeg[0] -auto-orient -gravity center -background transparent -thumbnail 999x750^ -extent 999x750 -interpolate catrom -unsharp 2x0.5+0.7+0 -interlace none -quality 98 -profile /var/www/discourse/vendor/data/RT_sRGB.icm jpeg:/tmp/discourse-thumbnail20181207-15746-fqcpth.jpeg
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I wonder if it is just converting all the images , one by one as part of the upgrade?
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there are 500 files in that folder totalling 436M
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 3:10 PM
@Draco the number of images is only going up
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44k jobs in queue...
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what the fuck
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45k
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Is it going through every post?
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Looks like it's "rebaking posts"
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50k queued
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52k
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Yup I bet it is pulling them from s3 and converting them and then uploading them back. ... exactly rebaking
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 3:26 PM
51k
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going down
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LukeStrickland 12/7/2018 3:36 PM
56 going up
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lukeeeeee
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Looks like it was a very recent change (edited)
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LukeStrickland 12/8/2018 2:12 PM
@Draco what do you and Stan want me to do?
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Its unacceptable that discourse forces you into the fucking master branch
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LukeStrickland 12/8/2018 2:21 PM
Okay it was 155k this morning 124k now
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so it is working
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I'm thinking that either we leave it and allow it to just process everything. Or we install a fresh docker container where you can specify a version and then restore a backup database from a couple of days ago, loosing the new data. One other thing to think about is if this is the future of discourse with this feature, then we would have to modify it later to upgrade. I don't think we want to do that. It might be best to let it finish recooking everything. It would be good to download a backup of the old data while it still exists from S3. We are having a Infrastructure committee meeting on Wednesday https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/8922 perhaps you would like to phone in?
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LukeStrickland 12/8/2018 2:30 PM
Sure, I can
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I don't mind letting it finish, I think it will end up being faster from the looks of us
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and this rips the update bandaid straight off
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yup ... people going to bitch with any change ... The main issue right now, is the admin panel has errors but they may go away once it finishes processing like the profile problem went away .... we upgraded from a really old version
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LukeStrickland 12/8/2018 2:38 PM
The quickest way around the admin panel issue for now is to navigate away and then refresh to get the new URL
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I hope that ends up resolving itself
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LukeStrickland 12/8/2018 4:14 PM
118k
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LukeStrickland 12/8/2018 5:31 PM
22 hours of pain remaining
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/8/2018 5:43 PM
ah, good to have an estimate. This is really annoying. 😄 It's good to have a guess of how much longer it's going to continue...
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LukeStrickland 12/8/2018 7:38 PM
what unacceptable software
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90k
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18 hours!
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LUKE BORKED IT
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If we had upgraded sooner, we wouldn't be going through this
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I'm pretty sure we would have still had to deal with this
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It is doing much more than just one thing ... it is resizing all the images, checking various things in the messages, lots of checks and processes. All of these processes where added over time. We would be going through a much shorter version, each successive upgrade. ... It looks we upgraded about 53 versions (edited)
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LukeStrickland 12/8/2018 7:47 PM
So I guess we have pain now or later?
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We have a little pain spread out over time .. or a whole lot of pain at once all added up
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LukeStrickland 12/8/2018 7:48 PM
we should probably schedule an update a month or something
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Ideally discourse will start doing stable releases?
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I'm planning on writing some automatic issue creation for regular scheduled tasks and reminders ... one of them could be to check for updates, gather them and create an issue for infrastructure with a list
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once a month
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/8/2018 8:17 PM
On the other hand, none of these things are improvements as far as I can tell, which is what leads to people not bothering for...fitythree or so releases... But it does seem like the first and 15th, say, of every month being "upgrade fortnight" would be a less painful swim.
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LukeStrickland 12/8/2018 8:21 PM
85k
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@A. Spencer(jast) .... we just updated with 1000s of new features and bug fixes
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/8/2018 9:43 PM
lovely, but it did nothing positive for the user experience, is what I'm saying. When new features and "bug fixes" are not noticed (or worse, noticed negatively) by the end users, it sort of discourages admins from wanting to adopt them... we like upgrades that do things we need/want/like. Not having to "upgrade" despite worsening the experience.
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LukeStrickland 12/8/2018 9:49 PM
annoyed every time I have to RDP into dms to get into the admin wiki 😦
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You can setup a SSH port forward script ... connects via SSH with key then opens a browser
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I have scripts that download databases and open terminals to AWS through that method
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download and update local databases
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Create a /etc/hosts entry
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127.0.0.1 admin-www.dms.local
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Put your public key in the .ssh/authorized_keys on the linux jump server .. test ssh
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then you can modify this script to work
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#!/bin/bash PROXY_SSH_HOST='physical.dallasmakerspace.org' PROXY_SSH_PORT=2222 PROXY_SSH_USER='draco' LOCAL_SSH_HOST='127.0.0.1' LOCAL_SSH_PORT=8345 REMOTE_SSH_HOST='admin-www.dms.local' REMOTE_SSH_PORT=80 echo "Connecting to proxy ..." ssh -C $PROXY_SSH_USER@$PROXY_SSH_HOST -p $PROXY_SSH_PORT -N -L $LOCAL_SSH_HOST:$LOCAL_SSH_PORT:$REMOTE_SSH_HOST:$REMOTE_SSH_PORT & while [[ -z "$nc_output" ]]; do read -r nc_output < <(nc -v -d $LOCAL_SSH_HOST $LOCAL_SSH_PORT 2>&1) sleep 2 done /c/Program\ Files\ \(x86\)/Google/Chrome/Application/chrome.exe http://$REMOTE_SSH_HOST:$LOCAL_SSH_PORT/ echo Press enter to exit proxy .... read kill % (edited)
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Or you can setup a VPN connection to the DMS network ... https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Vpn
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So noticed another bug
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I created some messages to team infra metal shop. Etc. They never move to the message inbox. Only way to see replies is to look in sent
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Gonna guess this may be due to the job backlog
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I think they only move to inbox when someone replys
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That is the same with the old system
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They both had multiple replies
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LukeStrickland 12/9/2018 6:36 AM
okay
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The queue is all caught up
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LukeStrickland 12/9/2018 6:56 AM
Hey folks, In addition to the problems at How to Modify or disable the actions of the System Bot and Quotes we’re also having issues loading our admin dashboard. The steps to reproduce are to login as an administrator, navigate to /admin, wait for loading indicator to go ...
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LukeStrickland 12/9/2018 7:24 AM
The user profiles started loading
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LukeStrickland 12/9/2018 7:47 AM
Tried bumping all topics in the last 3 days back to the top
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No bueno.....
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I wonder if we should log some DB queries and see if there is any issues there
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There might also be a way to kick up the debug level
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also they say that they are in beta .... why would they accept new features?
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It should only be bug fixes
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LukeStrickland 12/9/2018 9:16 AM
Continuous release vs versioned release I guess
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LukeStrickland 12/13/2018 6:59 PM
and she mentioned that Dallas uses an open source project called Maker Manager to keep track of member data. After a fairly basic search I saw that MM3 uses PHP... I was about to give up when I saw meeting notes on the dallas makerspace site talking about testing MM4. We'd be happy to give it a try as well as help contribute documentation and code to this project if that would be useful. It's not in PHP anymore, right? 😄
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ouch
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 12/19/2018 8:25 PM
I noticed we don't appear to have a camera that can see the member exchange shelf
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/20/2018 9:41 AM
anyone lurking herezabout that works with (DMS's) Wordpress/Blog/etc.?
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I think PR handles that for the most part, other than upgrades and such
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/27/2018 10:16 PM
mhm. was looking for someone to assist with what I presume were out of space issues... it got looked into eventually... No idea where "we" are on it. Thank you for getting back to me!
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A. Spencer(jast) 1/12/2019 3:57 PM
So I guess we turned on MFA on gsuite? That's moderately annoying...
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But even better, clicking setup doesn't let you set it up...
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/14/2019 10:16 AM
yeah it's only for admins
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clicking setup should just pass you through
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Okta apparently now prompts that even for non-2fa users, but it's not actually required.
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lukeiamyourfather 2/14/2019 7:03 PM
The board removed Kris from admin on Talk. Why is she suddenly an admin?
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@StanSimmons can you shed some light on this?
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StanSimmons 2/14/2019 8:10 PM
She is not an admin on talk (edited)
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/14/2019 8:18 PM
@lukeiamyourfather but she is "trust level 4", making the account "near admin", and capable of posting, locking the thread, etc. https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/badges/4/leader apparently there are about 15 or so such accounts (some of which are duplicates for individuals). I don't remember and can't find that post from the (fairly) past wherein "Leaders" were enumerated. I think it was after Stephenie made an unpopular decision with a thread that this all came out. Kris may or may not have been "Leader" at that time...
This badge is granted when you reach trust level 4. You’re a leader in this community as selected by staff, and you set a positive example for the rest of the community in your actions and words here. You have the ability to edit all posts, take common topic moderator actio...
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It was unpopular. Bad choice on my part. Naive. Wouldn't do it again. Apologized.
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I should be a Level 3 now
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I demand level 7 access now.
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Or I dont think I care who has what access. A phone call or email can get whatever admin thing done.
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there's trust levels and then there's staff permissions
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trust levels are automatic based on activity, with the exception of level 4 which has to be manually done, the permissions for mod and admin are just check boxes
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/15/2019 10:44 AM
@stephenie my apologies for picking that scab. I merely meant it as a point-in-time reference precipitate event. It is largely water under the bride, I think. FYI, you are still "Trust Level 4":
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Totally ok. I own my mistakes. Up front about it. May others learn from them.
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well this is new, I guess we have a bot now that interacts with new users via PM and as part of the tutorial (if it goes long enough) is to delete and undelete a post
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kinda annoying that it generates a flag though
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it does resolve it instantly so we don't get the new flag notification
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ok, we gotta do something about the crashing to a 502 on the admin dashboard problem
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Still getting those "shit is broken" PMs from system, we probably need to upgrade and rebuild the container
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What we decided about the issue was to install a fresh version of a stable version of Discourse in a new VM and then import the data into it. No one has taken up the task as of yet.
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It is because Luke accidentally upgraded our Talk version from a very old beta to a bleeding new beta
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@aceat64
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I'll should have time next weekend to work on that if someone can setup the new VM, personally I like Ubuntu 18.04
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/18/2019 1:16 AM
as much as I would prefer we use CentOS for stability, more people here seem to be familiar with a debian base. Luckily it's in a container so shouldn't be as big of an issue
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did anyone ever get FreeIPA running by chance?
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been meaning to check in on the status of that
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I don't have the time atm, but I can rant at length as to why Ubuntu is better 😁
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I like Ubuntu as well
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/18/2019 11:51 PM
I get why people like ubuntu, but there's a reason CentOS has fewer failures :P I can't even trust a server to come online with an apt upgrade anymore since the QA on their grub package is trash.
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when I say failures, I mean as a system overall. Things like the lack of PHP7 in the base repo are still breaking my heart.
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CentOS is great if you don't mind a ton of 3rd party repos so you can have versions of software newer than 7 years old 🤣
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium said "when I say failures, I mean as a system overall. Things like the lack of PHP7 in the base repo are still breaking my heart." What are you talking about? It has been default since April 21, 2016 when 16.04 came out ... keep up man 😛 (edited)
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apt install php will get you php 7
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I've never had a serious problem upgrading ubuntu
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@StanSimmons @Draco @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium who can spin up a new VM for talk? I really do want to get this fixed and I have a decent chunk of time (for once) this weekend to do it
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I've done it before, so I know the process, I probably have the most experience in dealing with the insanity that is discourse administration
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/19/2019 12:47 PM
I'm under the weather and on a bunch of loopy stuff so it would be unwise to edit infra. @Draco was talking about CentOS, bot Ubuntu. And while the feature sets are older, they back port security fixes. There's a reason it's so stable.
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who has AWS access and authorization to spin up a VM?
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Any VM spin up, I would okay it with Stan
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium Ubuntu has something called LTS or Long Term Support. They are versions of Ubuntu that are supported with security fixes and upgrades for many years. Also, here are the status of Ubuntu Security Backports https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/main.html (edited)
Ubuntu CVE Tracker
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/19/2019 5:20 PM
That's not what I mean. I get that they both have security fixes Ubuntu, even LTS, includes feature updates regularly that alter functionality. It's not as reliable as CentOS in that regard CentOS doesn't put in the misc feature inprovemebts regularly, but backports the security of newer versions regardless
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I believe that you can turn off all updates except security
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/20/2019 2:15 AM
not quite how that works in Apt
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you can turn off updates unless it includes security, but you can't turn off the random feature and major updates
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if they happen to have a security patch in it
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Updates that fix security vulnerabilities. They are managed by the Ubuntu Security Team and are designed to change the behavior of the package as little as possible -- in fact, the minimum required to resolve the security problem. As a result, they tend to be very low-risk to apply and all users are urged to apply security updates. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
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StanSimmons 2/20/2019 6:54 AM
Someone please spin up an AWS vm for Andrew to fix the Talk version issue. I'm still ill and too loopy on benadryl to do it myself.
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I'm spinning one up
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/20/2019 11:41 AM
@Draco that's a different but welcomed mode of update operation
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Yup and you can set it up in an unattended fashion if you wish from the CLI
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confirmed I can login to the new VM, will play around with restoring from backup when I get a chance
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last time I did it, it was pretty straightforward
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/21/2019 11:46 PM
TALK is dragging pretty hard. Hoping ya'll are doing something...intensive...with it...
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It seems quick for me at the moment
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I'm not doing anything
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It does seem to be slow
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was gonna ask
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it looks like shit
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@yashsedai .. what do you mean looks like shit?
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i mean its acting weird and pooping errors
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as in it has a heavy load
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i havent logged into the vm
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i guess i could look at utilization
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is lecody doing something to it?
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I logged and it is sitting idle
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0.11 load avg
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wonder if its a redis problem then
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A few minutes ago I tried to login as adm and it just sat and spun
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finally got it
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in
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any opposition to kicking it in the ass for a restart?
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its been up for 76 days
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Nope ... I will reboot it
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aye
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Rebooting ....
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lol that was LOUD!
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putty went bong
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volume was higher than expected here
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ok .. looks like it is working better
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seems better behaved
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isn't that just annoying how a restart produces better behavior
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some days i wish we could do it to people
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... just tell them to go back to sleep and try again
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I found this in the logs ... 'hijack onebox show' is still running after 90 seconds on db default, this process may need to be restarted!
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hrm
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Apparently it is something internal that tries to recover badly behaving threads/processes
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Yeah, def wasn't me lol I was in bed around 11
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Welp going to be hard to migrate talk now lol
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StanSimmons 2/22/2019 10:30 PM
Dude, you should have let ANYONE else moderate that thread.
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I only moderated the duplicate posts after telling Nick how to unhide his post. If you look through all my flags historically I avoid acting on or flagging any posts directed at me. I get you're mad, but I only wanted to keep the thread uncluttered.
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I'll ping y'all next time though.
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Kinda tired of handling flags imo, would rather just fix the VM.
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I get your position and I'm not upset with you btw
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StanSimmons 2/22/2019 10:45 PM
If you want to fix the VM, I'll reinstate the Admin priv tomorrow. I just want everyone to chill for tonight.
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That's fine with me, I probably will have the most time to work on it Sunday anyway
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Gotta get my hair did tomorrow, it ain't easy being this pretty
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StanSimmons 2/22/2019 10:46 PM
k, go have a beer or a blunt... or whatever.
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It's national margarita day!
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LukeStrickland 2/23/2019 8:14 AM
Was it last night?
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Cause I drank a pitcher of margarita
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It was
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Was in a crunch at work so we didn't go get some during lunch like we had planned
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I was told that I could see who was a committee chair via AD, how would I do that? I assume jumpserver is needed but what's the next step
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/25/2019 2:39 PM
@pearce I assume you already got a response to your query? I can offer pointers, but not "a good way" to accomplish what I think you want... (edited)
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Well for starters I just want an easy list of current chairs.
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I need to update roles
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I would love to automate it
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/25/2019 2:44 PM
Here's the skinny: The security group "commitee chairs" contains groups such as "3d fab chair" and "vector chair", which in turn, contain the person who is (currently, per whomever is keeping these up to date, which I assume to be Stan, but might be someone else in Infrastructure) the chair of said committee. So, hard and laborious but easily accomplishable by the likes of me (GUIbaby) is to use Active Directory Users and Computers, pull up each sub-group in "Committee Chairs", and note the committee and its chair. This SHOULD be easily accomplishable with a script, powershell being the environment of choice these days, but I don't really know how to get there. Getting the members of a group is easy; getting the members of a nested group is actually not even hard; getting that list, along with their respective committee groups to make notating this all easy peasy, outside my ken...
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There's also a big discontent between ad logins and discord accounts
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/25/2019 2:47 PM
THAT I know from nothing, being completely ignorant of Discord other than typing into this little "type here to post" bar...
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A script. something like this, would probably be what one needs to concoct in order to accomplish gathering the data...
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2:49 PM
Dear AllGood Day. I have an audit for AD and they gave me a bunch of groups to extract the members. checking the groups not only users are in it but nested groups as well.I trie...
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We could maybe put in an attribute in AD for discord username
4:12 PM
It would be on the chairs to ensure that's set
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@StanSimmons any update on my talk account? I may have time tonight to work on stuff
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StanSimmons 2/26/2019 4:37 PM
Ok, I've set you back to admin. Please play nice.
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Step 1, all category names are now in camel case
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Step 2, posting requires using emacs keybindings
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Step 3, site wide banner urging use of IE only
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Netscape Navigator
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I'm not a monster
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StanSimmons 2/26/2019 9:30 PM
lol
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do we have an SSL cert for talk?
9:34 PM
I know cloudflare handles the public facing side, but did we buy one for the backend?
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We should most likely use LetsEncrypt
9:42 PM
There is an installer avaliable
9:42 PM
We are using that on the calendar and accounts
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looks like for now I can run with an invalid cert, will setup letsencrypt after stuff is moved over
9:58 PM
doesn't look like I'll have time tonight to do more than test the migration, lets shoot for 7pm tomorrow for the actual run
9:59 PM
basic order of operations is: I'll make the current forums read-only, take a backup, restore to new vm, then we update DNS
10:02 PM
can someone update the TTL now to be like 60s?
10:02 PM
I think it's like 300s, but faster is better for a migration
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ok, verified that the restore works!
10:16 PM
I'll post something on the forums later to let people know shit gonna be down
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Does it have the admin problem?
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shit, I should have checked
11:42 PM
I got tired because it took so damn long to import that I just verified it came up
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ok, I spun it back up real fast, and yeah the admin dashboard works again
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ok, I'm all setup for the migration
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at 7pm I'll put Talk into read-only
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/27/2019 6:58 PM
glfh
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talk server catches fire
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it's immutable now, fire can't harm it
7:01 PM
that's physics
7:02 PM
backup started
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Will this update bring back emojis?
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no, we'll actually have fewer plugins at least to start
7:02 PM
after shit is fixed I can look into retort
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well that's weird, I guess the backup process disabled the readonly mode
7:05 PM
oh, it disabled once the backup ended
7:06 PM
sorry Nick and @Draco your posts are going to be lost
7:07 PM
they were made after the backup 🤷
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Copy them?
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eh, I leave that up to them to repost
7:09 PM
bah, it keeps kicking out of readonly
7:09 PM
very annoying
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/27/2019 7:09 PM
maybe just kill access to the web service to mitigate?
7:10 PM
change the allow all web config to whatever the source IPs are for your work
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Lets just take it out of DNS
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Yeah they will survive for a bit without access
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Everything points to cloudflare anyway
7:11 PM
didn't we setup a redirect, @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium
7:11 PM
on Cloudflare for this type of thing?
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I was hoping to keep it up but readonly for most of this :\
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/27/2019 7:13 PM
if it kicks out of readonly too much I think it's an acceptable trade off
7:13 PM
we don't want inconsistent states
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it's almost done with the backup
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/27/2019 7:13 PM
as for cloudflare DNS can just be killed
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yeah, just kill the DNS for now
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/27/2019 7:13 PM
however that depends on how Andrew is logging in
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but my guess is CLIU
7:14 PM
CLI
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yeah, I'm SSH'd in
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/27/2019 7:14 PM
so that shouldn't affect much
7:14 PM
do it Draco
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I'm blaming this on the broken ass state of the install
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I'm leaving
7:17 PM
I can't be here right now
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restore is going on the new vm
7:21 PM
so who's handling DNS?
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Can't be at the space?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/27/2019 7:28 PM
I don't have the info for it
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@Denzuko.sdf.org said he should be at the space/online
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import is successful, it's going through and doing background tasks now
7:55 PM
we should be able to switch over the DNS whenever
8:00 PM
just need one of the two people who said they'd be online to do it lol
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium do you have access to the admin wiki? the cloudflare info is probably in there
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/27/2019 8:09 PM
I never got the info for it and I'm working on something at home. Been out of the country until today and someone attempted to assault my colleague at the client site last night so I decided to Check Out for everything today
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well shit, hope they're ok
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/27/2019 8:20 PM
they're fine but we both wanted some time to not have to put up with shit
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makes sense
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I can do it
8:36 PM
What is the new ip
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@aceat64 ^
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54.89.170.89
8:40 PM
thanks @yashsedai
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Gimme a second
8:44 PM
Done
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thanks!
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Looks like its resolving
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yup, re-enabling email now
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Thank you guys for all your hard work!
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Ping if you need anything else. Thanks for doing this!
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everything is looking good so far
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I’m back in without a problem... FYI
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there may be some broken images, mostly on old posts
8:50 PM
it's going through and resizing them for some reason
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LukeStrickland 2/27/2019 9:18 PM
Hows the sidekiq queue?
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I think it's talk.dallasmakerspace.org/sidekiq
9:18 PM
or something
9:18 PM
as an admin
9:19 PM
all fonts are bigger now rofl
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925 enqueue
9:26 PM
913, it's going down fairly fast
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We may want to bump up to a much larger VM for a few days to burn through this backlog
3:59 PM
9,813 jobs in queue
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I'm going to install plugins again, now that things have settled with the backlog
5:29 PM
if anyone has suggestions, drop me a link to the plugin
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Emoji
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I can't seem to find it anyone
5:38 PM
Anymore*
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If possible the Green Dot need to to move on to the user image more. It overhangs on text fields
5:38 PM
Minor thing
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denzuko
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Is anyone with keys to the front case around?
7:51 PM
I was going to rescue R2D2
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^^^ resolved.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/9/2019 4:19 PM
did we end up getting any Chromebooks for the space?
4:19 PM
if we did since I"ve been in the G Suite so much I realized we should turn on their MDM
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Yes .. I think we got 10 and there are 2 in the laptop cabinet
6:43 PM
I was thinking about converting them to thin clients
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/9/2019 10:23 PM
that's a possibility but to what backing?
10:23 PM
I thought we were going to set an RDP script or something on it
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Some chromebooks have the ability to run android apps. These have been locked down. However, there is a method for these models to have android installed natively. Then one could setup and use Microsoft's remote desktop client to connect to JUMP or some other APP server. This would make them a whole lot more useful for classes.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/9/2019 11:35 PM
yeah that was what I thought we were doing. Our G Suite supports MDM, which would prevent other apps and stuff from being installed and we could remote wipe / reset them etc
11:35 PM
we can also have it presinstall configured apps so when one has to be reset it already has the clients installed
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Well, Stan said I was welcome to try it out on one of them up in the laptop cabinet .. So, I think you would be welcome to try
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Jim you avail? That vinyl cutter pc is still hosed I'm in front of it right now
8:33 PM
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium now ya tagged sorry
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Fyi he and I looked at the vinyl machine. See talk for updates
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Talk changed right? No longer showing New and Unread for me on the drop-down on mobile.
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/18/2019 2:00 PM
as far as I can tell, those now show up only when you have posts which flag New and/or Unread... but yeah, I think that's a change from previous behaviour (like, I think I remember those being part of the pulldown yesterday, even if there were no New/Unreads in my feed)...
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Yeah I updated us to a new version a few weeks ago, it likely changed
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weird. Just changed for me today though.
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Maybe someone ran an update?
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I can't check lol
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Nick getting dinged for that first strike is weird bc rule wasn't published anywhere and minutes weren't up. What the heck? How do other moderators feel about this? (edited)
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were the mods even aware of the rule other than Stan?
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Are more moderators needed? I will volunteer and have experience doing it in the past under Lisa when the moderator policy was being developed.
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/21/2019 10:21 AM
anyone else notice the missing "+ New Topic" button on TALK? It was there last I knew, now appears to not be there. Wondering how to create a new topic from an existing post with out it...
10:21 AM
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/21/2019 10:48 AM
Ah. Found it. It's now in the "hidden" "Reply Arrow Thingy We All Have Been Ignoring Since Inception" button function
10:48 AM
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RFID thingy tonight
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Some sort of cryptic message
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StanSimmons 3/22/2019 6:00 PM
There is a meeting tonight to discuss the software side of the rfid system, with an eye to making aggregate data available to members (edited)
2:16 PM
this is one of the units I had been looking at for key control.
2:17 PM
it has a lot of nice audit features and committee leaders can delegate access to equipment keys. Supports our RFID system and MFA. Can even send an SMS or Email if a key isn't returned and who checked it out
2:17 PM
it also only requires one controller for multiple panels, so can add more slots over time
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StanSimmons 3/26/2019 10:46 AM
I'm very interested if they give substantial non-profit discounts. $7k + is too steep for us.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 3/26/2019 10:53 AM
It is expensive but access control is becoming so important. Especially is used with tons of tools.
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Is it though Ken?
2:28 PM
We leave the back door without a handle
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 3/26/2019 3:04 PM
WHAT? Are we neglecting maintenance, say it ain't so. There hasn't been a bathroom I'm willing to visit at DMS for 10 months. and that is standing up.
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If I knew how to fix toilets or urinals I would have given the installs on the toilets a stab
3:14 PM
But flooding is bad
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The urinal has the issue of the plumbing in the wall being too small
10:14 PM
or in need of repair
10:15 PM
They are going over the bathrooms in expansion
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/26/2019 10:45 PM
I'm waiting to hear back on discounts, the local rep isn't authorized for that so they're asking up. But given how reliant we are on a ton of keys still for a lot of things it's worth considering
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Talk appears to be down
1:15 PM
@StanSimmons @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium and I think @Denzuko.sdf.org ?
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Wayne just caught me repeatedly poking my phone yelling “No! No! No!” 😛
1:16 PM
CPR! Quickly!
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Main site and accounts are still up, so likely an issue with the forums specifically
1:19 PM
Someone click on the upgrade button and not give a heads up?
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It's back
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-applause-
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Weird
1:22 PM
@Draco anything in the admin logs?
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Apparently the system decided it was time to delete a whole lot of inactive users
1:24 PM
It looks like it is still deleting
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Well that's odd
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Looks like it is deleting any users that haven't signed on in a year
1:27 PM
I wonder if it is deleting the posts?
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It shouldn't, you can't delete users with posts
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That's a weird auto feature, did we leave a box unchecked when it updated?
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Can you send a screenshot of the log
1:28 PM
I've never seen it delete users
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Just looking through them .. I looked through 6 or 7 .. all with trust level 0
1:30 PM
It deleted several with IP 127.0.0.1
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Could be users with no posts
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looks like it
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Does it say "automatically deleted due to old and unverified"?
1:31 PM
looking in the error log
1:31 PM
see lots of "Error: Could not find module discourse/components/home-logo"
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That's new
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Also lots of these with different urls Uncaught [object Object] Url: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/assets/ember_jquery-5dbd79abddf53926275c73f77dbe61e7351258de8d2e886bf2ce86f144368848.js Line: 1 Column: 267485 Window Location: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/seeking-sunlight-post-your-joy-here/53402/5
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The error log is real chatty
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Might be nothing
1:34 PM
Any admin actions before the deletions
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There are hundreds of these two errors
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and they are continuing
1:35 PM
The earliest is Tuesday at 6:16pm
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You'll want to look for settings changes or upgrades just prior to the mass delete (edited)
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This is strange .... it just suspended Alex Rhodes .. calling him a Troll with the details "We only allow humans on the forum. "
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Who is user "dmstalkadmin" ?
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Ok sorry the suspension looks like it happened a while ago
1:43 PM
Apparently I was reading this completely wrong
1:43 PM
never mind about the suspension of Alex
1:44 PM
It was Alex that was suspending a user called Troll back in '15
1:44 PM
doh
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Yeah that was a whole thing
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I guess just let it do it's thing and see how it settles out
1:49 PM
Worst case restore from this morning's backup
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oh it just banned the board members and chairs
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2:38 PM
kidding
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THE PURGE
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Thanos is snapping the database?
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DROP TABLE members;
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nooooo
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technically in discourse it would be users
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I bigger question is if AWS completely locked our account or lost all our data ... could we recover easily and do any backups we make work?
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/28/2019 2:10 PM
This is annoying...
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Weird
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That's new
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 3/28/2019 2:45 PM
Talk version of when was the last time you were at the space.
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untrustworthy
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/28/2019 4:07 PM
@Lampy (Ken Purcell) I would love to see that recorded somewhere honestly
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 3/28/2019 4:36 PM
In person conversation is great but not sure why so much is discounted when work happens remotely.
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It is not about work but so much more different conversation happens at the space and in person is so much more expressive than text
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In person doesn't scale though
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You can't do governance in person with 2200 people
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 3/28/2019 4:41 PM
they are trying but it breaks down to just the people in the room. And a lot of people are not invited.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/28/2019 5:20 PM
@lampy the big difference is staying informed. Information asymmetry is a big cause of a lot of out problems when it comes to discussions online, and for forming plans forward. Sometimes that information is being withheld, and other times people just assume they know everything and argue it to the end. I think most people know how much Brandon hates certain committees, and it's clear he doesn't pay any attention to them. I'd like to see a counter for when he last visited X committee he's trying to make a proposal to shrink / otherwise neuter
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5:21 PM
governance is even worse than planning construction projects; we've all already seen how the lack of scaling for all this in person dealing is affecting us
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One of the issues with "in person" is stuff like memory. We have way too many people with bad memories to be able to rely on in person chatter. I don't think Brandon was trying to neuter, making the floor plan work with as few wall changes seemed to be the goal of his napkin redraw
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lol, who do I hate?
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Word on the street is clutter
5:45 PM
And tools that don't work
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that is true, generally not a fan of unorganized / unoptimized areas
5:46 PM
I twitch every time I walk past the logistics shelf across from science, its just cold storage / junk that never moves and is denying members access to more project storage shelf space
5:48 PM
Took this picture August 9th, it hasn't changed significantly since
10:37 PM
I get that certain things aren't well organized but need to actually understand what goes on in a committee if you want any of it too be taken seriously
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Working from problem of how to connect two suite workshop areas and brainstorming doing it by expanding metalshop into new area to allow for a walkway is a plausible idea
10:56 PM
I took some measurements of metalshop equipment last week to be able to write up a more concrete idea
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/28/2019 10:58 PM
but did you measure equipment as operating
10:59 PM
that plasma needs nearly ~18' of length clearance just to be able to get the damn drawer open
11:00 PM
but most importantly, it's also what people actually do in there. I can't train people fast enough on our ovens which get regular use, and we've been eating through steel so I've been trying to come up with some new storage ideas to handle the higher volume moving through
11:01 PM
We've procured about 200 feet of tubing the past two months alone, and have already eaten over half of it
11:01 PM
but we've been getting them as 12' sticks.
11:02 PM
that's going to be the really tricky stuff to find a solution for; I'd like to see it stored next door when we can, but we need to make a viable way to move all of it
11:02 PM
regularly, without it being cut down
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Good info thanks, what is tubing used for?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/28/2019 11:03 PM
in house projects and teaching. The rate is going to drop, but not any time soon
11:03 PM
we're making some new equipment stands, various jigs
11:03 PM
there were things like the water buffalo that still have more work to go on them
11:03 PM
the oven jig and a lot of its associated shelves are up next
11:05 PM
hopefully with the jigs I can also start upping the average powder coating class size and feed people through the training. It's the thing I get requested to teach most, though the tubing bender has started to have an increase since people started seeing the projects some have been working on like that pickup roll cage
11:06 PM
that whole area, minus tubing, is pretty much always in flux; between the eating through 3/16 and 10ga for plasma classes, to the sheets being used to make new shelving and equipment panels.
11:07 PM
some members toss in shit without us realizing, and it becomes hard to pull things out so we try to do a pick and sort every couple of meetings to check what's still there, what we need stock of, and anything that we aren't using
11:07 PM
we reuse the hell out of stuff too. When we tossed the old oven table, we actually took the portaband to it and reused the steel from it to make some of the new shelving for some of the tool boxes
11:08 PM
and I've recently been designing new tool holders for various things to give more equipment a proper home rather than let them just be "wherever"
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You've been doing a lot, thanks for the improvements
11:09 PM
I used the new angle grinders last time I was there
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/28/2019 11:09 PM
we also still catch members taking our teaching supplies for personal projects, then leaving the trash metal we can't use
11:09 PM
those milwaukee units are nice
11:09 PM
they even have intake filters
11:09 PM
since it's not ryobi they also gravitate back to us
11:10 PM
we also have a milwaukee portaband and the transfer pump on the buffalo too
11:10 PM
if you see me around feel free to grab me and I'll show you how we've been putting stuff to use
11:10 PM
we had to shift priorities around through as things have broken '
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Nice, I went with all m18 for my home tools (edited)
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/28/2019 11:11 PM
/ users always manage to do something progressively stupider
11:11 PM
the m18 series has been great
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/1/2019 3:44 PM
@AGr do we need better storage bins?
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dont know what you are asking, personal storange bins? better how?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/1/2019 4:39 PM
Looking over that pic of there you posted I'm seeing crushed boxes and looks like things are hard to find. if we need something better then let me know and I'll go get them
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That's all committee/logistics storage @Denzuko.sdf.org it's up to them to contain stuff
4:41 PM
But that stuff hasn't moved in at least a year
4:41 PM
The bottom two shelves have a bit as glassworks gathered stuff
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/9/2019 6:55 PM
@yashsedai somebody cast confundus on the jumpserver?
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Lol
6:57 PM
May as well jave
6:57 PM
I put on my wizard robe and hat
6:57 PM
And cast unfuckus serverus
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/9/2019 6:58 PM
lol
6:58 PM
wonder what the burn time is on that baby...
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Haha
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/10/2019 8:15 PM
guys, how do we resolve an account that signed up but forgot to sign the waiver?
8:16 PM
they have just now gotten the waiver signed but MM3 is still not finding the waiver associated with thier account (same email)
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How did he sign up with out a waiver
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/10/2019 8:16 PM
not sure
8:17 PM
but he's got the wavier signed now and an account in maker manager/whmc just can't get past the find waiver part
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It’s going to be a mm3 issue
8:17 PM
Whmcs does not know@about the waiver
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/10/2019 8:18 PM
ok, so one has to what? go into the mm3 admin and then what from there? or does one need to fix it in the database?
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Not sure on MM3
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/10/2019 8:19 PM
it has the same schema and routing as mm2
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Are you confident the email is exactly the same?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/10/2019 8:22 PM
yes
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No idea
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/10/2019 8:25 PM
damn
8:25 PM
thanks @Robert
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It's likely a typo on one or the other
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what is the users name
10:13 PM
i'll take a look
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@Denzuko.sdf.org ^
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StanSimmons 4/10/2019 10:36 PM
There is a persistent bug in MM3 that sometimes won't find attach the smartwaiver to the account. I have a little script that will fix that when I input the smartwaiver key and the mm3 account number
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/14/2019 4:59 PM
@StanSimmons mind sharing that script so I and Brently can fix things on a more permanent basis?
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StanSimmons 4/14/2019 5:16 PM
UPDATE dms-makermanager.users SET waiver_id = 'jLubFZxDsA83nMNRSLrGp5' WHERE id = 6291 ;
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I find the waiver id in SmartWaiver and the id in MM3
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Denzuko.sdf.org 4/15/2019 2:59 AM
smashing. thanks 😃
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Talk is having issues .... top - 01:53:00 up 19:03, 1 user, load average: 27.32, 27.22, 26.72 Tasks: 179 total, 26 running, 117 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie %Cpu(s): 40.9 us, 1.4 sy, 1.1 ni, 0.0 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.0 si, 56.7 st KiB Mem : 8166948 total, 664176 free, 3982720 used, 3520052 buff/cache KiB Swap: 0 total, 0 free, 0 used. 1812268 avail Mem PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND 16976 dnsmasq 20 0 2369256 986.8m 988408 R 12.5 12.4 60:39.31 postmaster 20930 dnsmasq 20 0 2369596 984896 963344 R 12.1 12.1 50:03.95 postmaster 4829 dnsmasq 20 0 2366896 0.980g 983.3m R 11.8 12.6 16:50.93 postmaster 8704 dnsmasq 20 0 2370248 998.0m 977.6m R 11.8 12.5 9:37.19 postmaster 24478 dnsmasq 20 0 2371956 980376 955372 R 11.8 12.0 144:28.93 postmaster 27003 dnsmasq 20 0 2366868 987.6m 992408 R 11.8 12.4 36:43.98 postmaster 28997 dnsmasq 20 0 2367048 983.8m 986680 R 11.8 12.3 32:37.76 postmaster 409 dnsmasq 20 0 2372112 996340 975668 R 11.5 12.2 110:43.07 postmaster 28556 dnsmasq 20 0 2370668 998740 976044 R 11.5 12.2 126:24.52 postmaster 872 dnsmasq 20 0 2369392 1.514g 1.494g R 11.1 19.4 24:23.17 postmaster 8969 dnsmasq 20 0 2366924 994904 976296 R 11.1 12.2 83:47.67 postmaster 12547 dnsmasq 20 0 2369720 1.006g 0.984g R 11.1 12.9 2:34.86 postmaster 4665 dnsmasq 20 0 2370692 1.711g 1.688g R 10.8 22.0 96:30.40 postmaster 12926 dnsmasq 20 0 2371716 0.992g 997.7m R 10.8 12.7 71:40.13 postmaster 22531 dnsmasq 20 0 2369604 843104 822980 R 10.8 10.3 156:18.93 postmaster 23090 dnsmasq 20 0 2367068 0.998g 0.978g R 10.8 12.8 45:37.82 postmaster
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@StanSimmons @LukeStrickland
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LukeStrickland 4/19/2019 8:56 PM
Unavailable sorry
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No worries ...
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium
8:59 PM
Should I reboot?
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postmaster is postgres
9:01 PM
The load average seems high
9:01 PM
It started after the update
9:02 PM
I checked the sidekiq and it wasn't abnormal
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I take that back .. there are 5 busy processes
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i'll check vacuum
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They are all Jobs::ProcessPost
9:07 PM
It doesn't look like they are moving
9:08 PM
They all appear to have images
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{"post_id"=>339872, "bypass_bump"=>false, "new_post"=>true, "image_sizes"=>{"https://dms-discourse-static.s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/e/3/e393b558ebe27735482bfd36540938d76e60f43c.jpeg"=>{"width"=>"375", "height"=>"500"}, "https://dms-discourse-static.s3.dualstack.us-east-1.amazonaws.com/original/3X/7/e/7e83db84f5ab524acf1ed3850998638b9c778162.jpeg"=>{"width"=>"375", "height"=>"500"}}, "cooking_options"=>nil, "current_site_id"=>"default"}
9:09 PM
Perhaps it is trying to resize them?
9:13 PM
I think we might should reboot
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i rebooted yesterday
9:15 PM
let me run vacuum
9:15 PM
it is in the same state as i found it yesterday
9:17 PM
Bad update perhaps?
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Updates will often cause it to reprocess posts
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Yeah, but shouldn't there be more in the queue
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What's sidekiq look like
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sidekiq is clear
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501,407 Processed 218 Failed 5 Busy 247 Enqueued 0 Retries 11 Scheduled 0 Dead
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Still stuff in the queue
9:19 PM
It may grow more, that happened the last few times
9:20 PM
Basically it runs through a particular type of job, then starts to queue more
9:21 PM
Yeah we are up to 262 Enqueued (edited)
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its running its daily digest...
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Queue,Size,Latency critical,31,2284.19 default,76,6424.42 low,156,10398.06 ultra_low,0,0 (edited)
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look at the scheduled jobs
9:23 PM
it explains what is running
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When Queue Job Arguments in 2 days default Jobs::UnpinTopic {"topic_id"=>54382, "current_site_id"=>"default"} in 1 week default Jobs::UnpinTopic {"topic_id"=>54421, "current_site_id"=>"default"} in 1 week default Jobs::UnpinTopic {"topic_id"=>53678, "current_site_id"=>"default"} in 1 week default Jobs::UnpinTopic {"topic_id"=>53796, "current_site_id"=>"default"} in 2 weeks default Jobs::UnpinTopic {"topic_id"=>52922, "current_site_id"=>"default"}
9:25 PM
All the critical jobs say Jobs::BotInput
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look under the scheduler
9:25 PM
the issue currently is with a dirty database
9:25 PM
it needs vacuuming
9:26 PM
Should I ask Logistics?
9:26 PM
snickers
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lol not that kind a vacuum
9:26 PM
i'll start it here once the analyze is complete
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get ready for really slow 😃
9:30 PM
whelp talk is broked
9:30 PM
bahaha
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ok
9:55 PM
db is vacuumed
9:55 PM
lets see if the 8 million postmaster processes return
9:55 PM
from what i can read, they shouldnt
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/20/2019 7:11 AM
we've now gone read only...
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ok SmartHumans(tm) - I need to spin up a VM for my new business, maybe eventually run unifi CHR, and a mikrotik CHR on it, and sooner than later UNIMUS (mgmt software for mikrotiks) and some small file storage. Before I go spend $8 month with SSDNODES, any1 willing to help out a neophyte with some lessons alrady learned?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/23/2019 12:36 AM
what are you doing that makes for a use case for a CHR?
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future planning for VPNs possibly once i have dozens + of customer installs
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right now i have 1 set for monday, as in our 1st install
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the new company i work for is 3 peopls, a sales guy, the proj mgr, and everything else ==> me
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hence on linkedin deservedly self titled CTO
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hoping by 2020 to actually be able to "defend" that title if you will
12:54 AM
SO MUCH TO LEARN
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/23/2019 2:37 AM
that still doesn't answer the question; what's the environment and use case like?
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i deploy physical voip phones at a customer location, and will be installing a physical router (mikrotik hAP AC^2) at these locations for QOS, firewall. i'd like to not use a master singular password for these boxes, but have one for each, and /or use a radius based authentication. next monday is my 1st install. im trying to determine what i should do NOW to mitigate truck rolls in the future. im planning on initially whitlisting the DMS ip as a trusted so I can connect from there to it, until I have some cloud based service (we dont have an office yet, and wont for a while) - with my last emlpoyer that had set up a VPN that would connect to a mikrotik CHR so we could remote into devices anywhere by 1st enabling that vpn. I like that idea, but am looking for 2019 networking / security Subject matter experts (since i am not) to point out the better/best way of doing this for a fledgling start up. environment wise: thikn SOHO business, under a dozen networked devices usually before phones. usage: remote into tik for packet capture, port fwding during troubleshooting to natively access phone, things like that. if im not answering your question, please rephrase it for the newbie please.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/23/2019 6:30 PM
that's a much better answer to get a picture of what you need. So first I'd advise against using a single VPN to hit all these client sites if they are not the same business; it'
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s the common failing of MSPs that leads to multiple clients being breached
6:31 PM
what I would instead encourage is setting up a VPN termination on the client site, and then if you want whitelist the IPs for that
6:32 PM
you can use the mikrotik or other cloud routers, but IMHO for what you want a simple tunnel per site would be better. Set it up with Certificate authentication, and a set of creds per client. That way even if your client-specific cred is somehow compromised, the cert auth is a good fallback
6:33 PM
you can also setup other forms of 2 Factor Authentication such as TOTP or Duo
6:33 PM
Duo is super nice, and since you have less than 10 employees it's free (they don't charge until you exceed ten users. Each user can have several account name aliases if the usernames aren't consistent across each site)
6:34 PM
(my background: professional security consultant and red teamer)
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Not sure how many people used it, but it looks like the dallas.ms domain expired on sunday whois.nic.ms/whois.jsp
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there's a window where it can be reclaimed (assuming we have the logins for the registrar somewhere)
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Oops that is on me let me grab it
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3:58 PM
Card expired
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I was working in AWS 99% sure the quick books server I built sitting in AWS is not being used. I built it for PureTax and then they changed there mind
4:47 PM
Can anyone else confirm they are not moving to quickbooks enterprise
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/24/2019 5:42 PM
I'd ping the bookkeeper to confirm if they are using it
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Good plan
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@Draco @yashsedai lets talk in here
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sure
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what's the error about certs?
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api.php": Error: certificate has expired
4:46 PM
thats part of it
4:46 PM
ill have to get it again
4:46 PM
i followed the google fu troubleshooting
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/29/2019 4:46 PM
it's possibly some non-locally stored dependency script
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aye, based on the troubleshooting of errors by others, you should have been able to go to the api page and see cert errors
4:48 PM
ill be back after dinner and look at it again and provide better info
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Totally off topic, is anyone other than Brandon running for infra chair?
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 4/30/2019 11:05 AM
Is he running for infra or logistics?
11:14 AM
nobody's running for infra (that I know of). Stan's explicitly out... https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/infrastructure-committee-meeting-vote-5-8-19/54635
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I am running for INFRA chair
11:26 AM
Assuming he will accept it, I will ask stan to be my vice
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I’m having a dumb day.
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/30/2019 11:27 AM
👍 on the propaganda... I feel well-informed regarding your campaign.
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I think you’d be good at infra. Was wondering if you were running when you changed your name on talk.
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lol
11:27 AM
I figured rebranding to a recognizable normal name was useful
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It does help
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Thanks for the support!
11:29 AM
I have not really advertised, not looking for a talk beatdown ahha
11:29 AM
hahah*
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Understandable.
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its obviously inevitable, but no need to go seeking it
11:30 AM
I'll be the first to admit I'm not and never will be perfect
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Not with that attitude
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StanSimmons 4/30/2019 12:31 PM
Bwahahaha!
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Ha ha ha
12:42 PM
Where is my trout
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/30/2019 1:28 PM
regarding the original question about Brandon, I know one other person is at least on the fence about running for logistics
1:28 PM
but AFAIK brandon is the only one that made a formal announcement
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Correct
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Interesting
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I'm sure we will end up with an undeclared runner showing up with a stack of proxies (edited)
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It ain’t gonna be me!
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/30/2019 2:58 PM
I have a talk poll going about turning on Protected Account status for DAs and enforcing 2FA
2:58 PM
for DAs only
2:58 PM
discussion open in the thread
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium when you say the interlocks in woodshop are breaking can you give me an example? I monitor for signs of breaking such an increase in denys and I have not seen any red flags. I see daily usage showing they have not stopped working. If there are glitches I want to do a RCA but I don’t have any details of them breaking
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/30/2019 5:08 PM
Just a talk search shows. Everything from loose contacts to when the MQTT wasn't available (which you promptly blamed on us I might add, and despite the claims that the units don't require an internet connection they went down when that one happened too). There are others I don't have a comprehensive list But those situations required one of two people to fix it, which we can't have for critical equipment. We need things that are serviceable in house for all steps of the infrastructure
5:09 PM
When I was writing that post I found at least 5 cases with a casual search just to make sure I wasn't crazy
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Your talking about last year? When AWS IOT service went down? I came into to do network captures because the most likely situation was a firewall change and said about an hour it was not on DMS and it was on AWS. I contacted the AWS development team the same night and they pushed an emergency change to the IOT network to fix there certificate issue.
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Finally after that I put in additional code to not wipe the DB until it has all the new updates so that situation will not happen again.
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Limey (MReynolds) 5/2/2019 5:25 PM
Is the internet not working fully this evening? It seems either super slow, or sporadic
5:26 PM
Trying to connect through wifi from purple
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Robert was having issues last night as well, could be an ongoing issue?
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Limey (MReynolds) 5/2/2019 5:26 PM
@StanSimmons anything you know of going on?
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Speedtest from 2 nights ago
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Limey (MReynolds) 5/2/2019 5:27 PM
This is all I'm getting now
5:27 PM
On the positive side, I get to play the dinosaur game
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 5/2/2019 5:40 PM
@Robert that was just one example. Others have been loose contactors, pickiness with cables being unplugged, etc. I ignored all threads that did not have multiple woodshop user fobs for testing the device
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and we told you before you even started that we made no firewall changes that could have even possibly impacted those devices, you promptly claimed none of your other customers were affected (despite it being an AWS-wide outage, which says something about your user base)
5:41 PM
but the key point is that you had to be the person to service the devices
5:41 PM
and the devices are not robust enough for the requirements
5:42 PM
as for the other topic about current internet issues no idea. I haven't been there today and I didn't notice an issue whilst I was there yesterday. depending on who is around may be able to look into it a bit later
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I'll check into it when I arrive a bit later
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium we can just agree to disagree
6:05 PM
In other news check out these sweet knives
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props to the whole #infrastructure team for fixing the issue with the voting rights app and posting about it on the forums
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There were several competent individuals there, and a Doug! 😃
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Alex Rhodes 5/11/2019 8:05 AM
Last night I placed the box of all ballots/proxies into the server closet taped up with my signature and Stan's signature all over it. I dated it as well. I asked Stan last night for camera access to that room. He said he would get to me later. That's fine but I got an email from Kris at 3:13 am asking where the proxies are. The email was sent to me and admin.
8:06 AM
Has admin been updated to the new board?
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 5/11/2019 8:33 AM
Not yet but we had some other immediate issues. Thanks to infrastructure bringing a pressing problem to our attention. I'm impressed they made a pretty hard call. (edited)
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Are the proxies missing?
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They were in the new server room when we left. That room was chosen because it has rfid access control and camera coverage on it. This was chosen because Alex wasn't comfortable taking it home with himself, and none of the file cabinets could be used at the time.
11:20 AM
I don't think they are missing or we would have heard more of a fuss
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Argh
12:57 PM
What a PITA
12:57 PM
What does Kris need with the proxies anyways
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That's kinda what I'm thinking
1:07 PM
But I myself, stan, Alex and Steve were in the admin office when we discussed the file cabinets and server room as an option for storage
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StanSimmons 5/11/2019 1:16 PM
1:17 PM
Please ignore the mess. ;)
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Is that Alex's closet? 😛 .... I was there when it was decided to put it in the server room.
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Even if Alex had taken them, what business of it was hers
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shrugs Previous boards are always in the current boards business
2:31 PM
Whatever board is in power
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 5/14/2019 6:15 PM
Disregard, didn't affect 2016 (edited)
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The server room was decided cause less foot traffic and less stuff inside. Was there too.... waiting and sleepy but I do remember that
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SewingStuff 5/19/2019 5:50 PM
Hey infra I would like to report cyberzombie for multiple ad hom attacks.
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Seems there aren't any mods available
6:05 PM
I'll take temporary action until they can deal with it (edited)
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TIL I can't handle the truth
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lol
6:09 PM
i know i can't some days 😛
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$1 says he makes a new account to come back and yell more
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SewingStuff 5/19/2019 6:16 PM
He’s being super extra. To Busby of all people.
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We really need to stop the "I don't see you at the space" arguments
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SewingStuff 5/19/2019 6:25 PM
Isn’t busby in Woodshop quite a bit anyway?
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There are 2100+ of us. It's possible to be at the Space and not see most people. And unless one lived there, how could you be at the Space enough to qualify?
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john a gorman 5/19/2019 7:10 PM
Who is cyberzombie?
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Not it. 😝
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john a gorman 5/19/2019 7:11 PM
Lol
7:12 PM
Thomas Jones per their Talk profile
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SewingStuff 5/19/2019 7:13 PM
Don’t know the dude but he was going ballistic on Talk.
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john a gorman 5/19/2019 7:13 PM
Thanks
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He's been in metal shop frequently
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john a gorman 5/19/2019 7:15 PM
I messaged him
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Thats Scott
7:16 PM
He is commonly working on the very large nissan van and 4runners
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That's a lot of spaces to take up
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heh
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what's the IP for the VM with the main website and wiki? I want to try to fix the visual editor
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium @yashsedai @StanSimmons ?
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He's bored at work
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Lol
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I really am, save me from elasticsearch stuff
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who doesn't love Kibana?
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oh damn, according to the wiki (version page) the server is on PHP 7.0.33, that's kinda old and no longer supported
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Lol
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@yashsedai I was looking at the live stream goal
3:15 PM
We’ve recently raised the threshold for YouTube Live with a mobile device. To be able to live stream on mobile, your channel will need to have at least 1,000 subscribers.  Note tha
3:16 PM
I am going to confirm but I think this is why we can’t live steam on YouTube
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that's just for mobile though, should still work from a PC
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Anyone know the type of 360 camera DMS has
3:17 PM
Agreed but that means adding a laptop to the mix
3:18 PM
We need to confirm if the black magic gear falls under “mobile” or desktop
3:18 PM
Also FUCK terrorist for causing this BS
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so sounds like we need a PR campaign for folks to subscribe to the channel, i mean we should be able to hit it before the June board meeting
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Believe they use browser agents to figure this out
3:54 PM
They also note in that article it does not affect desktop or webcam
3:54 PM
The blackmagic box presents as a webcam
3:55 PM
But uses a desktop 😛
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Also it appeared could not go above 720p on black magic
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ill double check
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 5/21/2019 4:58 PM
seems that it down converts all video to 720p. That actually may not be a bad thing
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We seem to have a problem with people stealing cables .. like HDMI cables. I think we need to find a way to semi-permanently attach the cables to the TVs and or put things like the splitter in interactive in lockboxes attached to the wall
5:34 PM
Perhaps we can find a bracket to run the cable through and attach it to the wall behind the TV?
5:34 PM
This also could serve as strain relief
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or drill tap another hole to the mounts, like the vesa style
5:35 PM
next time I'm up there I will look and see what is easiest
5:35 PM
tie wrap to the mount?
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i also like the idea of "floats" / boards / what not to increase the "size" of the splitter, dongles, etc.
5:40 PM
more visibility, can be well documented to tie / remain in a particular classroom ,etc.
8:54 AM
With a mobile phone with the intent to be incredibly simple though our existing camera may have this capability. While I agree audio is a concern I think less parts and reduced complexity is more valuable for a mobile solution.
8:56 AM
Actually I realized I have a 360fly that may have this capability I will bring it in to try it out.
9:01 AM
I was thinking of just paying for this personally to add subscribers I realize the ethical concerns but really doing it to provide access to live stream
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ah, fiverr - like MTurk but a bit more highbrow
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honestlythere is zero need to involve outside DMS folks at this point for subscription
9:37 AM
id strongly suggest campaigning inside PR
9:37 AM
if we get 60% (ballpark) of members were done
9:37 AM
and, we also now have an explicit permission granted use of electonic communications with them
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we could also just use twitch instead of youtube
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twitch is wholly inferior as a single publish platform
9:48 AM
if you want to argue about posting to multiple locations, thats something different
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from an ease of stream setup standpoint twitch is typically easier
9:55 AM
though if we just use OBS we can stream to both iirc
9:56 AM
Streamlabs OBS is super simple once setup, just click "Go Live"
9:56 AM
even @pearce can do it 🤣
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OBS i know streams to youtube/facebook/twitch, but the normal Studio version only streams to 1 selected
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Streamlabs has a fork that's more streamlined and easier to use
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downloading now
9:58 AM
hey, hows the mediawiki fix coming
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hmm looks like it might still just be one at a time
9:59 AM
but at least it'll be easier to stream to youtube
10:00 AM
First, what isRestream? It is a service to stream to 30+ platforms, including Twitch, Youtube, Mixer and more. Now, here are the steps on how to set up Restream and Streamlabs OBS: Download StreamLabs OBS from StreamLabs' official Download Page Click the Settings Cog fro...
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laptop + external mic/cam + rfid reader + seome wrappe== profit
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 5/22/2019 10:47 AM
@doug.emes problem with YouTube is we don't meet the requirement for YouTube live currently, and even if we do a drive and break the threshold doesn't mean we will be able to sustain that subscription level and we could end up with a sudden lack of stream. I'd second twitch; easy, functional, I've yet to have a stream through OBS fail
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we should smash the threshold frankly
10:48 AM
!members
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How about this I am looking at YouTube now it looks like DMS ha a yi 360
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id also suggest twitch has a higher % change of being blocked at corp sites over youtube (and offices liketo block youtube, but have found too many vendors etc have real content on it) - alternatively youtube keeps it all branded in a place we have already established
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@doug.emes work on getting subscribers
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ill be at PR meeting tonight
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I am going to go ahead and place an order at no cost to DMS to start gaining subscribers with bots ya it’s BS but there never going to look at content to make what we currently paid for work
10:53 AM
Ultimately the intent we can all agree on is providing more content to the public
10:56 AM
I may call them first though
10:57 AM
To see if there is a reasonable method
10:57 AM
But it’s a good idea to start getting subscribers
11:00 AM
On the phone with google business on hold but will see if they have an option.
11:00 AM
It sure feels like a short sighted measure to stop people from live streaming terrible things
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The bot is down for improvents currently
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added a start count to the chat robert and i made sure jen is now subscribed
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A. Spencer(jast) 5/22/2019 11:27 AM
I'm certain this is a stupid question on many levels, but it popped into my head, so I'll throw it out there: can DMS auto-subscribe their g-suite accounts to their youtube channel? Doing so might actually be a good thing for members AND DMS for a vareity of reasons (some might object, too, for same)
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I am not sure but it’s a good idea to check into
11:35 AM
Looks like we can creat subscribe links
11:35 AM
Going to try that now
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think forced subscription seems under the table at best
11:43 AM
About as good as buying subs
11:44 AM
I think we should focus on above the board tactics. "Do you want the board meetings or other DMS events live streamed on YouTube? You have to subscribe so we have the opportunity!"
11:44 AM
My ethics are showing
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A. Spencer(jast) 5/22/2019 11:45 AM
while I don't disagree, if you're subbing an account that is part of your organization, I see it as less distasteful. I wouldn't dream of autosubbing someone's personal acct...
11:46 AM
I know DMS isn't a job, but to use that comparison, the number of things I'm "subscribed to" by being an employee....🙄 (edited)
11:48 AM
it could also spin as a perk: you've joined DMS, now you get alerts about our yootoob postings in your VERY OWN DMS INBOX!!! 🎊
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I posted Robert's invite link to the DMS Creative Arts FB page. It's got 783 members, many of who are our most active members.
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@A. Spencer(jast) glanced at the google apps admin page and did not find anything or Google fu did not find anything. also it looks like we are not signing up people for emails
12:08 PM
But could be wrong about that
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A. Spencer(jast) 5/22/2019 12:11 PM
🤷 seemed like it was worth exploring...
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there are a nonzero amount of members who have dallasmakerspace emails, but we dont have the funds to offer them out blanketly. i COULD subscribe 4 additional youtube accounts besides dougemes@gmail but I'd rather leave the one personal of mine and it be geniune
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StanSimmons 5/22/2019 1:25 PM
Doug, Google has given us enough licenses to give every member a username@dallasmakerspace.org email and we turned it on, we just don't have the manpower to support all of our members, especially the less tech savvy.
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Try mail.dallasmakerspace.org and use your DMS username/password
1:27 PM
We use Okta to turn them on and off, but there is a bug on turning them back on after they have been turned off. It is a low priority item to be fixed
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@Robert ... can you make sure that the official youtube channel has the account login information on the Admin Wiki?
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We have long been missing it
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denzuko-at-work 5/22/2019 1:41 PM
now that's a thing google classroom will be a better option for us than that moodle system which no one uses
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@StanSimmons that's good news, I thought we were limited. Thank you for the correction
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question: have we looked at rocket.chat versus slack etc? based on what we have seen inside pragmattic programmers, im not inclined to push slack ... didnt know it it was worth investigating rocket.chat as yet another RTC platform
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denzuko-at-work 5/22/2019 2:20 PM
@doug.emes adnan was looking into this as well. are we working as a team on this one?
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we will be, i certainly dont wish to duplicate efforts
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denzuko-at-work 5/22/2019 2:20 PM
cool. that's why I brought it up.
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I know he's looking to deploy an instance to the community grid so that might be a good start there
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I've used Slack and HipChat at work - the developers have been able to implement some basic bots for both easily enough
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StanSimmons 5/22/2019 3:50 PM
I don't care for slack and have never looked at rocket.chat. I much prefer async methods.
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Discord is better than slack imo, but no business wants to use a "gaming" chat
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@Draco I don’t have access
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also I don’t believe YouTube has access controls that use username and password
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It’s based on roles
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hrm
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who does?
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I suggest we add backoffice@dallasmakerspace.org as an Owner
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i'll be talking to them haha
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it is a google account
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Ok I can send it an invite
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Back office is not a user
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Has a nice little pop up
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Yeah .. I thought about that.. it is a group ... you can add draco@dallasmakerspace.org and then I can get it taken care of with another user when I talk to Stan next
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Sure sent you an invite
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Thanks
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Could you please add youtube@dallasmakerspace.org
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Out for dinner but can when I get back
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Thanks @yashsedai .. I forgot you had google admin access
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Yq!
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Yw!
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I fixed the visual editor on the wiki btw (edited)
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A. Spencer(jast) 5/22/2019 10:15 PM
what'd ya have to do?
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There's a nodejs service running on the VM that mediawiki proxies requests to, it needs to also talk back to mediawiki to verify some stuff
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But it hits the mediawiki instance via https://localhost
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Which has a cert that's not valid for localhost
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So I changed a config option to ignore invalid certs
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What happened to the users with strikes after the last board meeting?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 5/24/2019 10:10 AM
As far as I can tell just using talk, they were allowed back on. However I can't say for certain that was an intervention or if it just happened to expire in the short time
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StanSimmons 5/24/2019 10:44 AM
No change in existing strikes. The 3 strike rule that the Moderators have has been modified somewhat and C Marlow will be posting it when it is ready.
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Ok, I was surprised that the people (person?) banned because of the rule weren't allowed back in the interim, that's all.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 5/24/2019 10:58 AM
two were banned because they were being difficult and immediately reacted poorly to the strike. One was no longer a member and one was pretty much a troll account. (edited)
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That sounds like the former member... I work with him and told him I would ask what's up. He can be difficult to deal with..
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StanSimmons 5/24/2019 12:33 PM
There is a rumor going around that someone applied for a job there... and demanded a wage premium if they had to work with him. 😮
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Lol yes indeed, the hiring guy got a kick out if it
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judy Kriehn 5/24/2019 2:37 PM
Question: How current (theoretically) is the document shown below that is linked to the logistics wiki? (edited)
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Someone created an AD group of people with personal storage bins?
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judy Kriehn 5/24/2019 2:39 PM
I have no idea. I’ve been trying to help Pearce out with bin auditing.
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I’ve made an excel map of the current bins with name stickers, I’ve cross referenced with names on list. But there’s a lot of weirdness, like for example, you and Merissa are listed on the AD list, but I didn’t find any bins with your names during that process.
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Ah yeah, we removed our bins since we weren't using them often to free up space (edited)
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@judy Kriehn I need to get you access to the list so you can cross reference the scans to verify membership
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judy Kriehn 5/24/2019 5:28 PM
that would be great! If we can actually put the AD list to use - but just get it brought up to date, I think that will be a big help moving forward. Besides Merissa and Brandon, there were two other people on the AD list who didn't seem to have bins (although there was one instance of Christy/Chris that might be the same person) and there is one bin with no identification on it that I can find anywhere. I marked it with a blue tape X.
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StanSimmons 5/24/2019 6:22 PM
The AD group is very out of date, but is about 75% accurate. The folks doing bins since I did them never updated the AD group. I've got a powershell that purges it of non members when I remember to run it
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someone was working on some software to help automate the process, but I'm unsure if it was ever finished
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I have a wireless barcode scanner in the server room to help with the process
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judy Kriehn 5/24/2019 7:05 PM
Pearce was going to pick Allen Wan's brain, as he apparently had some role in the process at some point in the past. The labels have QR codes - not bar codes.
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StanSimmons 5/24/2019 7:18 PM
Our scanner does both
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judy Kriehn 5/24/2019 8:20 PM
does it generate different information than my iPhone QR code app did?
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Maybe?
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StanSimmons 5/24/2019 9:13 PM
No, just a string with member info
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 5/27/2019 8:48 PM
There is an infrastructure in a PM thread on talk. Committee regulars please chime in
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When is the next Infrastructure meeting?
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Haven't put one on the schedule yet, something up?
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@yashsedai I'm cool with dropping all of my calendar admin stuff if that's just the way Infra wants to do it. I'm not trying to cause extra work/trouble. Was just honestly very confused by the BoD approval and Bill's statement that "if you are trusted to be an auditor, you can also be trusted to be an admin" -- I assumed since the BoD passed the item that they agreed.
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To be perfectly clear
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I don't mind one way or the other. I think we just need to figure it out and that will take a small bit of time.
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It is as clear as mud 😃
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hahaha. k. I can get behind that.
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for what it's worth I think the board should approve auditors and Infra should approve calendar admins.
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@mell .. I added you to a discussion on Talk about Calendar Roles
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 5/31/2019 10:16 AM
are the design computers moved to the new common area as well? I recall something happening with those computers specifically
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judy Kriehn 5/31/2019 10:21 AM
As of last night, those three systems were still in place.
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Didn’t take pix of the wall where the design computers and mail pick-up table are/were located. Pearce was planning some stuff relocation today.
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This is absolutely workable. Thank you @pearce and logistics
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@yashsedai please let me know order details for vinyl so I can pick up the flooring tomorrow on my way in. Thank you!!
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Stan is placing the order, I'll check on it later today
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You're the best! Sorry to be a pest!
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I rhymed
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groan
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StanSimmons 5/31/2019 12:16 PM
@Lavarocks I've got an order for 77 cases of the #I966106L vinyl pending (they have 126 in stock) Were there any edging, etc that needed to be added to the order?
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We about ten feet of the transition piece let me get the libk
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The Barnwood 1/8 in. Thick x 1-3/4 in. Wide x 72 in. Length Vinyl Multi-Purpose Reducer Molding is convenient to clean with a damp cloth. It provides a beautiful finished look to any room. It coordinates with vinyl flooring.
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StanSimmons 5/31/2019 12:43 PM
I've added two sticks (6ft @) of the transition molding to the the order.
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Thanks, please make sure it's set for pickup and not delivery. The sticks didn't appear to be available at the local one.
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StanSimmons 5/31/2019 1:32 PM
The sticks are available a the forrest/grissom store. so are 150 of the flooring. I'm having trouble getting tax free to work online with Home Depot. How do you feel about picking me up at DMS and we'll just pay for it at the store?
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when we pick it up
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Nw Dallas #564 11468 Grissom Lane, Dallas, TX 75229
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That would be awesome! Can you be avail at 8? I will have donuts
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StanSimmons 5/31/2019 1:44 PM
Text me when you are on the way... I'm assuming 8am tomorrow morning?
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Yes, unfortunately. Can you e PM me your number (edited)
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Does this mean we have the fiber done?
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StanSimmons 5/31/2019 7:22 PM
No. The fiber should be done early next week. There won't be wired internet in the new common room until after that is done.
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Creative Arts had a bunch of volunteers available for this weekend, so that drove the schedule for moving the tables
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Received confirmation today the the schedule is changed. Thursday the installer will be there for the fiber. 😦
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#growingpains
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StanSimmons 5/31/2019 7:47 PM
Working at the speed of volunteers... usually it is slower... this time it was faster.
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... for CA at least. 😉
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Freddy I've cleared with pres. James, classes bill, and arts Shay, you cool with moving design pcs into interactive for 72 hours? We have other drops and clear wall space and minimal class impact
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Design relocated and operational thanks all for your agreement to the temp relocation
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StanSimmons 6/4/2019 1:35 PM
I called Johnson controls (again) to get the leaky RTU fixed. I should have an ETA soon
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Fyi I pulled 4 new drops in new common, showed both Stan and Jim.
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I'll try for this Thursday night to pull some more
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Creative arts machine still down. Do we have the password for the local "sadmin" user?
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John has the class in 10. Minutes in theory
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Did u find anyone for this?
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StanSimmons 6/6/2019 7:46 PM
The list of passwords that used to be in the admin wiki have been moved to the community grid.... and I can't login. 😦
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/6/2019 8:09 PM
shaking fist at the sky stupid clouds!
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I had thought that the community grid was not to be used for production
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That is what we voted upon
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We are suppose to be using VMs
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unless the page was deleted (and who the fuck would do that?!) it should still be in the history
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also you can undelete it anyway lol
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Special pages > View deleted pages
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Insanity
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 6/7/2019 11:10 AM
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!
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Label List NLC-1 NLC-2 SC-1 SC-2 CM.N1 CM.S1
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Stands for North Lobby Classroom, Small Conf, Common North, Common S
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all tested and labelled both ends of physical cables, and on side of jacks, and on faceplates
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ill pull camera cables next but after my hotwork class with Jim at 7pm
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dinner break
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You sir are my friggin hero
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Tonight I pull camera cables i had to get some eats
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pulls for camera for cleaniningsupplies/storage, for small conf off the commons, and for the north commons wall, just waiting on Jim to finish up welding to lemme back in server closet
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I'm done for the next night or 2. Cables well labelled, have fun putting the cameras in.
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@StanSimmons try giving me access again
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denzuko-at-work 6/11/2019 3:22 PM
CICD Automation going in place: https://travis-ci.com/Dallas-Makerspace/ansible-automation. I'll be using the deployment ssh key from https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/ansible-automation/settings/keys/new to execute this for tonight's freeipa migration with the jump server and on prem servers
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can we get that in engrish plz?
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Ansible is an orchestration system?
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yes
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denzuko-at-work 6/11/2019 3:56 PM
orchistration, automation, change management. call it what you will but it basically runs "scripts" called playbooks over ssh or wmi to get a machine into a known good state
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cicd (ie travis) is the machine executing these playbooks at a schedule or when an update to the playbook has a pull request in github
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Those were words.
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denzuko-at-work 6/11/2019 4:01 PM
ok..
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guessing there's a lot of keyboard cowboys here.
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No worries; the iron horse isn't going to take your jobs away 😉 one just gets to go faster
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Eh
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one thing right
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tell that to the horses
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before we start pushing out playbooks to get to a known good state, lets have a talk cause i hate makework
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That was weirdly condescending
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lol which part?
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Dens last post
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ah
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Is this something that members are going to need to access or backend stuff to keep stuff running
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its all backend
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@pearce assumption seems to be that the channel is populated by old-school sysadmins or somesuch
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No that's #computer-committee
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denzuko-at-work 6/11/2019 4:38 PM
nah wasn't meant to be condisendy just get a lot fo people saying automation is going to take away jobs. when they hear the word devops or configuration management, or automation
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still got my at work hat on 😉 and these guys here haven't heard of automation until last year
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@pearce isn't too far off with the old school sysadmins /sysops but we do have the devops sig too; so.. (edited)
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Oh I'm totally pro automation for a situation like DMS where we rely on volunteers
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Is there a list of Sig's on the wiki yet?
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darn... need to get the guys to update the wiki for the devops sig though
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and the crypto one too
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Good lord. Do you need that many sigs?
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Thanks for the link though
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denzuko-at-work 6/11/2019 4:45 PM
yeah.. vcc computer committee; large topic . that computers are and all; but the core group focuses on educatation material, events, tools for software dev/ai/ml, and projects with the museum being a project. alot of the other stuff is just groups that target specific topics. (bitcoin, infosec, devops, fullstack dev, civic hacking) (edited)
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I've watched provisioning automation decimate jobs in telecom... but those were departments/work groups being thinned out via attrition, staffed largely by people who refused to change (edited)
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Once the departments got small enough the diehards were moved to other departments/work groups (edited)
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And the departments/work groups shut
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Some transformation with new jobs created for those lost, but rarely 1:1 or anything close to it
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/12/2019 3:11 PM
the initial policies and procedures doc is on the infrastructure team drive. members of team infra not currently on it need to request access.
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I'd be one of those then
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I wont be onsite till maybe Friday night when the wife takes the chainmail class. I'd like to see us get some drops running / hot for new 3d printing, new electronics, even if it's just to a 8 port dumb switch in those areas for now.
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judy Kriehn 6/12/2019 8:32 PM
Jen will have a blast! I really enjoyed the intro class I took from Tony.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/13/2019 12:56 AM
@doug.emes added
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Received, will start reading it tonight
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium ... you might read over the Privacy Policy in the rules.. It states this "In compliance with law and our bylaws, DMS will provide Member's names and physical adress only, in response to a valid request for member information."
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The document talks about information handling. (edited)
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As a non profit DMS must release member names and address to anyone with a lawful reason
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I don't think there is any arguement about that
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/13/2019 10:56 AM
Place a comment and reference; it's still a draft doc. Additionally we already provide all the addresses for members
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/14/2019 1:40 PM
@doug.emes added you to lucid chart; we need to document the cable routes and drops once we confirm a current floor plan to make it with
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Yes sir. Will do
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And I saw the notice on talk regarding autocad
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/14/2019 2:22 PM
@doug.emes making some initial layouts. do you know how the fiber is run between the server rooms? Does it follow the hallway then over the galley, or does it go over any of CA / Woodshop?
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I don't recall how the fiber is ran, didnt pay attention to it as I was running only cable around new commons
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Bet its hallway galley
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@StanSimmons
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StanSimmons 6/14/2019 3:57 PM
Art helped run the fiber. It goes from the 102 server room west to the galley, then down the front hall, turns west down the south hall and goes int othe 104 server room (edited)
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StanSimmons 6/18/2019 12:13 AM
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I just locked down LDAP on the external load balancer said I would do it a few months ago but just now had some time. If anything happens let me know and can easily revert but this will get the AD server off the direct internet though the load balancer
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StanSimmons 6/18/2019 6:47 PM
Well, something just broke Calendar logins
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revert the change robert
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StanSimmons 6/18/2019 6:55 PM
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Busted
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/18/2019 7:06 PM
why would the calendar be using the ELB?
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we need to track that down
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and start documenting these. We have the tools now to help with that
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I can check to see what it is using for AD
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I think the reason it is using ELB is if PRDC2 goes down there is still PRDC3
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Fixing it now
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What do you want me to change it to .... PRDC2 or 3?
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You also need to change makermanager
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and makermanager4
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If you give me the source I can at a min whitelist
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Source?
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I'm not certain what you mean?
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The source is out on GitHub and on the servers
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StanSimmons 6/18/2019 8:44 PM
Calendar login working now
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Do you want me to reconfigure the calendar?
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Servers public IP address
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/19/2019 2:17 AM
@Draco we need to be using an internal load balancer, not en external one
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Enroute
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denzuko-at-work 6/20/2019 10:04 AM
had a meeting conflict. hopefully there are some minutes for one to review
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I need to reimagine upwards of 40 Dell's from win7 enterprise back down to individual win7pro licenses onthe stickets
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Need a poniet on doing the build of the image where we can install 7 with whatever updates slic'd in al re ady etc
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Well.. do you need help brainstorming?
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Sometimes I hate autocorrect
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That does sound like a lot of PCs ... why windows 7?
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StanSimmons 6/21/2019 5:51 PM
I've got a Win7Pro image, but it isn't current on the updates
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If you have a Dell ISO for that model, I can help you update it.
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Has to do with Ericsson proprietary aoftware
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Its damn finicky
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I'm still going to also make some win10 examples that are consumer facing/styled versus the corporate "modern" image
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Which makes me use Citrix to a remote to do many of the tesources6
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Bedtime, stan is graciously going to try to keep making the slipstream, and I'm making the brute force, to then being sysprep. Uodates to follow on Sunday
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When we re-enable retort, can we put 🙄 as one of the options?
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Not that it's a huge deal, but on Saturday, the board chose to expel one member in a regular meeting and another in a separate emergency meeting (I assume because it wasn't on the agenda in time). I have noticed on Talk that one member has been marked as such, but the other has not? Probably just an oversight, and not a huge deal as the other person does not seem to be terribly active at this point.
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@board members would be the ones to decide that
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@Lampy (Ken Purcell)
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 6/24/2019 3:38 PM
Which was not marked on TALK?
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StanSimmons 6/24/2019 3:41 PM
Narkane (John T.) is still a Talk member, but not marked as a DMS member
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Don't bans cover both the physical and online space?
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 6/24/2019 5:27 PM
Is John T's username really Narkane?
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You mean you didn't know he works for the police department undercover?
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snickers
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lol, dont confuse it with narcan
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but pun intended maybe
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 6/25/2019 9:05 AM
Well I got the joke. I hope he recovers well.
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How high does our tool reach for the above the ceiling tile install stuff?
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The lift? I believe it can reach the actual roof
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No the polearm looking tool
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Didnt know if it had an extension in it like a painting pole
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Pretty sure it reaches to the rafters
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Cool I'm headed over
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/25/2019 6:51 PM
@doug.emes when I get back in town I can also help get you going on the personnel lift if required
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/26/2019 10:33 PM
@yashsedai did you guys (Infra) know that TALK now shows DMS Username ?
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aye
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for some it does
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/26/2019 10:45 PM
OK. Just wondered if you knew, it was intentional, etc. Seems weird to me, but... not my fox to hunt...
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Your username is paddle?
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/27/2019 5:56 AM
MINE? no. but that person's is...
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judy Kriehn 6/27/2019 9:51 AM
Is their plus one “me”? Or maybe in honor of Clutch Cargo, “foot”?
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/27/2019 9:57 AM
dunno. a minimal of detective work will tell you all I know about said individual, who, actually, just happened to be the first one I pulled up for the demo, rather than significant in any other way... Clutch Cargo. How have I never heard of this? It's awesome! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTQI_XjoSSY
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Clutch Cargo - where the budget is low and so was the bar for entry into the then still somewhat novel market of children's cartoons
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judy Kriehn 6/27/2019 11:44 AM
I don’t know how you could have missed it. Moving human lips superimposed on cartoon characters; and it still looked like Japanese lip sync.
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1959-1960. Syndicated in five daily 5-minute chapters a week that could be stitched together into 30 minute episodes.
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/27/2019 1:15 PM
hm. That DOES pre-date my TV watching slightly
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/27/2019 1:16 PM
still seems like something I should have heard of. Stupid sub-prime rearing. Stupid sub-prime social circles...
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I was a child in the 60s and I saw it on some UHF channel in Dallas area
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Think I caught it randomly on Comedy Central in a previous decade, remembered it from occasional conversations with older relatives
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judy Kriehn 6/27/2019 8:30 PM
It was on at weird early morning times-like 6:30 am on channel 11/KTVT, here in Dallas in mid-60’s as I recall. Then it appeared on UHF stations when I was in jr high. The guys in my art class were obsessed with memorizing the dialogue.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/27/2019 8:43 PM
it only shows if you put it in, and there isn't validation of any kind. We've had people put in fake usernames
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judy Kriehn 6/27/2019 9:46 PM
So @jast can relive his childhood by becoming a fake Clutch Cargo, Spinner or Paddlefoot.
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@yashsedai the workshop door is working again. However, the woodshop door latch is now broken, we'll need to order a new one.
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thanks, any idea what happened?
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I assume it just wore out. Probably been here since we moved
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ah
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Just to be clear, I swapped the latch between woodshop and workshop. Since the woodshop door never closes properly anyways
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wow, thats actually a high quality latch
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adams rite
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Huh. Well the coil read open on the busted one. I wonder how many cyclee it was good for
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StanSimmons 6/27/2019 10:31 PM
I think I have another one. I'll check tomorrow
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@StanSimmons lol I was just on my way to bug you about that.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 6/28/2019 9:14 AM
Thanks @michaelb, @StanSimmons & @yashsedai appreciate ya'll keeping things working.
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/28/2019 9:32 AM
so.. retorts got pulled off Talk? ☹
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/28/2019 9:40 AM
also wondering if we've looked into ACH payments instead of cutting checks... I can't help but think cutting and mailing checks is expensive (and kind of a PITA)... @Lampy (Ken Purcell)
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Seems like emojis are still there
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 6/28/2019 9:42 AM
We have but there are some other adjustments that are happening in the bookkeeper realm first.
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/28/2019 9:46 AM
can see old retorts, cannot post new... at least for me...
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Maybe there's a limit to how many you can use in a day and you hit it lol
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/28/2019 2:23 PM
Could be. My ability has returned...
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how many yams were you giving out!? 🍠
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SewingStuff 6/28/2019 2:46 PM
It’s like Thanksgiving on Talk
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There was a limit, I increased it
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Dont yam shame us
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judy Kriehn 6/29/2019 1:08 PM
If it's thanksgiving, dibs on the wishbone.
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@StanSimmons @pearce y'all got any ideas where we keep new fluorescents? All I see in 102 is recycle boxes and it looks like the logistics shelf in 104 is full of dead ones?
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The 104 shelf shouldnt all be bad
8:39 PM
I'm not sure what the 102 stash is. There's a bunch in metal shop @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium might be able to spare for the classroom
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/29/2019 8:41 PM
We need to set some aside for the really bad fixtures in the back, but we could probably spare some of it to get the lecture hall going for now
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I just got groceries. After I make some dinner I can head to the space and set the lift up
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Awesome. We are getting food and then I'm going head up as well
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Alright, we have two known good bulbs, they behave differently based on which location they're in.
8:56 PM
I'm running to home Depot for a box of tubes and a handful of ballasts
8:57 PM
Unless we want to jump straight to LEDs
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The hope was to swap the whole space to led @michaelb
8:58 PM
If ballasts is easier for you we can do that
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StanSimmons 6/29/2019 8:59 PM
The 102 room had a box of 8 tubes at one point... it looks to have already been pilfered.
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I'll grab a box of traditional bulbs, and supplies to switch a handful to LEDs.
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Check the logistics shelf for swap supplies. You may only need wires
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@StanSimmons can you check? Already at home depot
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StanSimmons 6/29/2019 9:12 PM
I didn't think we had any LED tubes. Unless Metal Shop had some left over from their change out.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/29/2019 9:15 PM
We have wire etc on the man lift
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Check it first.
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Or on the metal shop pile. We bought some good sized spools, and there are likely tombstones though if not grab some of those since it's what we need (non-shubted stones)
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We should have plenty of LEDs since we never finished the middle row.
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Likely Not enough for all of lecture but enough to get it going with the bad fixtures first and get some good light in
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Alright, to avoid a huge mess, I've got standard tubes and a few ballasts. I don't mind doing the LED conversion if we have supplies. Between everything we should be able to light the room better than it is currently.
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judy Kriehn 6/29/2019 9:47 PM
Thank you guys!
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anyone know why I can't enroll myself in any courses ?
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Maybe needs a prerequisite?
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Every class except for 3d fab basics is this way for me
12:55 PM
where would I go to see the prereqs?
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I have no idea then. Doesn't sound like a prereq issue
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@infrastructure chair is there a specification for the rfid access tags I need to follow. Need to replace my tag because the plastic holding it to the keyring has broken
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If you come up, we will be happy to give you a new one free of charge
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judy Kriehn 6/30/2019 3:10 PM
@reii - I assume you have logged into your DMS account before attempting to enroll?
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@judy Kriehn yes
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/30/2019 3:51 PM
also who is teaching that KMG class? My understanding is that blacksmithing doesn't teach it except in the 101. They've informed other teachers trying to teach it separately or as part of another class that it's not kosher
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also wait
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what system is that?
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/30/2019 7:18 PM
I'm 80% sure the 3d printing is the only class available for self-enrolment (or at all, for that matter, to my recollection...) all others on https://learn.dallasmakerspace.org/ are "in progress"
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/30/2019 10:25 PM
@yashsedai I think the retort limit needs raised again. I'm "out", and have used hardly any today... PS the stupid nag boxes for "first post" really sucks, in my opinion...
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Lol
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judy Kriehn 7/1/2019 12:43 AM
Nag boxes? Is that momilies like “what would you do if your face froze like that?”
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/1/2019 5:38 AM
yes, but uselesser and annoyinger:
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judy Kriehn 7/1/2019 9:39 AM
Ah! I’d wondered what was up with those. We could also call them “whine” boxes, since it’s often the obligatory “why aren’t there any xyz classes?”
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trying to log into talk with google seems to be broken (edited)
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I've had that happen, refresh seems to fix it
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stop breaking things
4:49 PM
jeez
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Could also be a browser plugin blocking stuff
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new browser
4:50 PM
fresh install so i have to log back into everything
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denzuko-at-work 7/3/2019 5:08 PM
@pearce next time one gets that could we have a saml tracer log?
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no habla (edited)
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denzuko-at-work 7/3/2019 5:08 PM
sorry, work hat. oauth tracer (edited)
5:09 PM
been using it alot on this okta migration and it helps to debug the root cause
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StanSimmons 7/5/2019 5:37 PM
Try again, not seeing any issues on this end
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the error blames the forum software
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Box of Chromebooks was placed in the new server room, they need to be labeled, charged and setup for use, might be a good project for someone
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denzuko-at-work 7/8/2019 2:58 PM
@yashsedai looks like that request is in the database. I'll gladly change code that can be unit tested and so forth. But not a live production database
2:58 PM
paid is the field
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-request for "self teaching" category on the events page, with links to online training classes
8:09 PM
from member meeting. @aceat64 understands the request
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I claim to understand it
8:13 PM
We'll find out if I actually do
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When did the censor get dropped from talk? I posted expecting boxes and instead got what I wrote
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Few weeks ago?
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Time to spam curse words
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On an old phpbb instance we would replace curse words with 'butterfly'. It was a riot.
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"cloud to butts" is probably my favorite chrome plugin to forget about
9:22 PM
It replaces "cloud" with "butt" whoda thought?
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If I logged into discord from browser one of our clan mates names would change to geekgoddessbuttstorage
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/12/2019 10:18 PM
Bob's request has an open thread on talk, if that helps...
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/13/2019 8:14 PM
feeling the need to point out to @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium that mere mortals can NOT message @Board_of_Directors on Talk:
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note once the "oh" is put in, no auto-popup suggestions
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/13/2019 8:16 PM
My hon1nbo account is not special
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It doesn't autofill, but that's a regular user I send it as
8:17 PM
I have a separate admin account on talk
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/13/2019 8:17 PM
I dunno. But it IS in that particular aspect, if it's working like that for you. Might be your chair position...
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/13/2019 8:18 PM
Shouldn't be AFAIK. @aceat64 know of anything in Discourse that can trigger that?
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/13/2019 8:18 PM
hm. Well, I"m not going to spam them with test messages, but as far as I know, "we" can't see, and can't send to them that way. Maybe I AM wrong. Not like I have cause to "try it out"with any frequency...
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/13/2019 8:19 PM
I mean it doesn't autofill for me, I always have to type it out completely manually
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/13/2019 8:21 PM
hm. Well. I'll shut my fat yap, then. If I ever need it I'll remember to let ya know how it goes. 😄
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I can't find the OTHER thread where someone was bitching about it not working anymore, either... Anywho. Letting it go.
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Groups can be set so that people can't message then iirc
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judy Kriehn 7/13/2019 10:03 PM
I send pms to the board at large and wasn’t anything special before I did so
10:04 PM
That should be PMs. Not PMS. I suspect there are people more annoying than I who serve that purpose
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lol
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for anyone that wants to help write code for the calendar, I've written a Development Quickstart Guide, so it's super easy to get started now: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar#development-quickstart-guide
Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/calendar development by creating an account on GitHub.
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There is code in the development branch that hasn't been put into production yet
3:20 PM
Two things ... one, it shows what AD groups are required or what AD groups a class fulfills. And two, it allows non-paid classes to be re-signed up after cancelling
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Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/calendar development by creating an account on GitHub.
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Well, someone will need to test it on the dev server .... https://calendar-dev.dallasmakerspace.org
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That is why it is not merged at the moment
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What was the company used to send letters
7:06 PM
To members
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I'm, yeah dev version doesnt render correctly on my android phone, it's not flowing with the screen layout
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Ie it is ok in landscape because the bug is on the right, but in portrait the burger is on the left and its showing off screen
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I submitted a test event
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I can actually do some actual better aut Wednesday night
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judy Kriehn 7/15/2019 9:45 PM
Company? I was under the impression that Steve B, David Kissinger and a few others printed, collated, and folded the mailing, stuffed the envelopes, added address labels and stamps, and took to post office. If you need to do a bulk mailing, Nicks mom, Betty Sainz, owns Multiforms, and that is one of the services they provide. The Quilter’s Guild of Dallas has been using them for our membership mailing for several years now.
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USPS or ups had options for single sheet mailings, I don't recall which one.
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Is anyone around who can poke the billing system with something sharp and pointy?
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StanSimmons 7/16/2019 7:00 PM
What trouble are you having?
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Recurring troubles... I have an active ticket number if that helps?
7:02 PM
The short of it is that the billing system absolutely hates me and has since I moved back and reactivated my account.
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StanSimmons 7/16/2019 7:03 PM
Sure, I'll look at it when I get done with the expansion meeting.
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Ticket 263027. Freddy C has been working it... It’s a bit of a huge ugly mess.
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i've taken care of it
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Thank you! Remind me to buy you a soda/coffee/whatever. 😃
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lol not necessary, much appreciate your patience!
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I like the talk maintenance page
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Stan and I made that back when we were upgrading everything ... Stan's idea mainly
8:46 PM
that was like a year ago now
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Is anyone here who can help with my badges?
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@Kaze what's up? I can probably walk your through an issue
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We've already left.
3:46 PM
I updated the existing biking ticket with the latest problem.
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Thank you though
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ah ok, I don't have access to the billing tickets
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if you just need to fix a non-working RFID, makermanager lets you do some self-service stuff
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Nope. It's broken for me.
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won't let you login?
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Log in, yes. Says "no badges are configured or available"
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weird
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StanSimmons 7/20/2019 3:49 PM
Which addon do you want active, Chris or Daniel?
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Me and Chris
3:50 PM
Daniel lives in Phoenix now
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StanSimmons 7/20/2019 3:51 PM
You and Chris are both showing blank badges. If you can email in your 10 digit badge numbers to accounts@dallasmakerspace.org, I'll activate them. Or you could go to MakerManager and do it yourself now. I had to resynchronize MM with the billing system
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3:55 PM
never mind, found them in the ticket
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I added them. Thanks, Stan. Chris will check Monday if his works
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StanSimmons 7/20/2019 3:55 PM
Very good! I'll close the ticket.
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Pulled 8 cables today to common, 4 to wall next to small conf and 4 to left side where we will need to drill down holes for both. Nothing labelled but the bundles are taped. I'll be onsite Tuesday night
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/24/2019 1:34 PM
@doug.emes any idea when you can start documenting the cables on LucidChart?
1:34 PM
we need the routes and endpoints
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The laser kiosk's employee code is stored in the admin wiki
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yes iou that
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Denzuko.sdf.org 7/24/2019 8:42 PM
anyone have a suggestion for good cd mastering software that allows on to take a folder and custom made cue file to master a cd or make a .bin file for mastering afterwards?
12:27 PM
Time to remove this. Classes should be allowed to be submitted.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/26/2019 12:41 PM
@yashsedai @board members can we just go ahead and set the official policy to re-enable this 6 days (or 10) toward the end of the month? (whatever the current honorarium wait period is)
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I don't see a reason why not but I'm not touching it until I hear back
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john a gorman 7/26/2019 12:42 PM
Thanks Jim. Yes, the 6 day window now puts classes on Aug 1.
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Scott_Blevins 7/26/2019 12:59 PM
Sounds like a system coding requirement @yashsedai as we have to enable the window while also preventing ‘current month’ HA entries where ‘current month’ has been locked down for HA consideration due to depletion of funds for that month. Wordy, but i think you get where I’m coming from. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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It is on the list to be coded
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I'll be enabling it shortly after updating scotts stickied post
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john a gorman 7/26/2019 1:02 PM
@yashsedai please add the changes to the honorarium rules to that post.
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I intend to
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john a gorman 7/26/2019 1:02 PM
Thank you
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it will also be on the area where you click the honorarium button
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john a gorman 7/26/2019 1:03 PM
Good idea
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Thank you!
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Scott_Blevins 7/26/2019 2:31 PM
Yes, thanks Freddy!
2:31 PM
And instructors!
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Moving from #public_relations . @NobleGoblin I'm confused. I was asking for specific examples of what threads needed more moderation. Are you asking me for examples of when moderation happened?
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In my observation, Talk has all the usual downsides of a messageboard. The assumption is that since people know each other they'll be pleasant, but we're not a workplace nor a professional organization thus some of the inhibition against being a jerk is removed. I submit that the behavior on Talk is better than most messageboards.
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 8:40 AM
Ahhh I misread @mell I thought you were offering to give examples of when moderation should have been better.
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hehe
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Look, we have a team of moderators. As with anything we need board approval because people get fussy when they think they are being "censored". Ad hom was voted down by the board. We worked with the board to adopt new rules as to what needs moderation. It isn't something we can just decide- so and so isn't being nice so they need to be moderated.
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One of the reasons I ask for examples is bc I think some people just don't like the governance threads where there is a lot of disagreement. Most of the time it's really heated but necessary as part of our organization.
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Can things be better, probably, are we improving? We are also working on it
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Honestly my biggest gripe with talk is one that hardly gets any lip. We have members who regularly go off topic or get on a soapbox.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 9:36 AM
That stuff generally doesn't even bother me. It does if it goes on and on and on and on, but conversations meandering isn't that big a deal, as long as we're all courteous... (in my opinion; I know others differ, and tolerances differ, etc.) The soapbox thing... feel free to jump on, state your case, and then go away (I struggle with this, because when someone disagrees with me, it's obviously because I haven't explained it properly, and stating my case yet again will obviously make the difference...) Point being, I think I find this less...intrusive...than other people do, though I see Mell's point...
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Here I go again: I still think all this is going to need to be fixed by the membership, from a grassroots groundswell, not by BoD (or any other governing body) trying to micromanage the situation. Hence, my stance that more rules are not needed; more moderation is not needed. More, better quality participation on the part of the membership IS needed.
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^^
9:42 AM
I share this philosophy
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there's no top-down "fix" for Talk
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Just like guns in a gun free zone, no law or rule will mandate compliance,
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organic culture change can move the needle. slowly. (edited)
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I do like people's idea that getting more people on talk will help it equalize.
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Yes. I also think we should be encouraging members to flag things/participate more. Someone told me that one of the people complaining about talk regularly didn't realize he could flag things.
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lol really?
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 9:46 AM
hence the need for andrew lecody to do moar "how to communicate @ DMS" classes (ie. how to use Talk, Discord, and/or the Wiki)
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My tactic part 2 for dealing with "talk is toxic" myths is to ask "how often do you flag these replies that you perceive as toxic?" Every single person says "what flags?"
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Then I pull out my phone, show them the flag system, and explain that our mods have jobs and can't read everything, that they rely on us drawing their attention to issues. And that if enough people flag, that auto-hides the reply.
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sounds like a low-effort information campaign to me
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 9:58 AM
I’m fully in agreement that the board is not where we need to begin as far as fixing talk. We need member involvement.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 9:59 AM
it is my opinion that low-effort information campaigning from the in-person contingent @ DMS is what got these words into our vernacular; I think it is also the way out. Thank you Stephenie!
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 9:59 AM
I see the issue with it being considered censorship and I’m not saying fight everyone who comes off as rude. I’m specifically referring to name calling and public shame posts. That’s what I hear about the most.
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I love the low level idea. However I also think that members want to see SOMETHING, some form of actual action, before we will be able to effectively bring them all back.
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It's more of feeling like it's targeted censorship
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Like the ad hom rule being enforced for a few people and not others
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And it was
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 10:03 AM
Talk is Awesome! is the new watchphrase
10:03 AM
t-minus zero and counting for that to return to my ears/eyes...
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:04 AM
I’m actually working on a flyer that we can throw up to encourage talk
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I like @stephenies approach. Combine that with fixing the bad info coming from tour guides saying "talk is toxic, avoid it" (edited)
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:05 AM
We can make examples of what’s not allowed and also teach people to flag when they think things are unfair.
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Oh. I’m working on the tour issues
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There will be mandated sign ups starting soon and im aiming to check out what the tours say.
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On the back end, some rules for moderators would be helpful. And enforcement of them. (not single handedly acting on flags. Not acting on flags you are involved in. )
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there are 3 basic categories of DMS member: • inactive show up perhaps monthly - if at all - and are difficult to reach • active/weekend project show up regularly but have little interest in the affairs of the organization • active/voting show up quite regularly, are engaged in the affairs of the organization, and tend to be on Talk
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Is Diana Rhodes still giving tours? She had elevated the professionalism last year.
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the first two demos might notice a poster at DMS, an email, or a mailer. the last demo will promptly notice a Talk post. (edited)
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:08 AM
I haven’t heard of her but if you think she’s great I would love to get in contact with her.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 10:08 AM
@NobleGoblin I'm not clear on context, but I'll suggest steering clear of "what's not allowed"-type propaganda; PR's job, in my opinion, in general, is to BEE POSITIVE! Answering direct questions is one thing; putting together a Don't Poster is another...
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:09 AM
Oh I’m not putting together a don’t poster. Def not my job. That’s the mods
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I was thinking propaganda style posters that would be eye catching 😉
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 10:10 AM
Stephenie is the Poster God. Followed shortly by Judy. And theirs always (appeared to me to) hit home.
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:10 AM
Who is Stephanie and how can I stalk her I mean find her?
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@stephenie
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 10:11 AM
She's the Stephenie of a few posts up. Summoned by Pearce...
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:11 AM
Ah. I’m already messaging her perfect!
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 10:11 AM
AKA heyheymama on Talk
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I miss making posters.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 10:12 AM
Judy is @judy Kriehn also makes nice posters (same handle on Talk)
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:14 AM
Contactedddd
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I try to encourage people to change their server nickname in the DMS discord to match their talk handle or meatspace names so people can find them easier
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So that's usually a good place to start if you are looking to figure out who you are talking to
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:22 AM
I kept all my stuff consistent for that reason haha
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Plus I love my username and it contains my last name anyway.
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Goblin?
10:23 AM
That's an interesting family name
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Judy is the Poster Queen. Really, truly.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 10:32 AM
Nicole (uglyknees on Talk) does good event posters (she tends to avoid propaganda stuff)... I never can remember the site she says she uses, but you might run it past her if you're wanting help (or maybe I should shut up b/c NobleGoblin ALSO makes awesome posters and isn't looking for help...)
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I'm not design inclined so when I was on PR I used the hell out of Canva.
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10:34 AM
Stand out for the right reasons with a custom poster made in Canva.
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:35 AM
Haha last names Noble. Like a noble person not like the peace prize. It’s unreal how often I say Noble and people spell it Nobel.
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Mines constantly misspelled Pierce Dunlop. Double strike on that one
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Just accept that Pierce is your evil alter ego.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/29/2019 10:39 AM
Oof
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Could bring back the "blame Pierce" campaign
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/29/2019 10:39 AM
the worst I usually get is "harnett" rather than "hartnett"... I would have thought with the actor it would be easier. I've still never encountered a 'harnett" before so don't know why it's so common
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I always thought DMS propaganda would be cool. But with less lies in the posters. More like Rosie the riveter
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 10:45 AM
"Propaganda" is NOT a negative word despite popular opinion to the contrary. Rosie the Riveter and Wendy the Welder are 2 examples of propaganda generally considered positive.
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:45 AM
Lolol I can make some русский style ones
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Propaganda is not seen negatively as far as I can tell. At least not old style
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I haven't seen Dianna in a while
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 10:49 AM
Thanks to such works as 1984, most folks today think "gubment lyin' tuh me" when they hear the word propaganda, "like the rushins, or natzees". But the word itself is just a word, and propaganda when used positively can be a good thing ("Save your ugly face: buckle up!")
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(just loled @ Pierce Dunlop again)
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:52 AM
I mean, we are not trying to start a cult.
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I like to refer to propaganda as the style, but a lot of it was pretty racist
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:52 AM
Yet
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Yeah the style is my aim
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We are pretty close to being able to apply as a religious org
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But we would need sacrafices to the maker gods.
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Logistics already has the dumpster gods covered
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:53 AM
😂😂😂
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 10:53 AM
lol
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haha
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:54 AM
I’m sure we could acquire sacrifices on your nights
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Tour*
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 10:54 AM
Interesting note: The word in Portuguese for "church" is culto...
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:55 AM
Wheresthelietho
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Makes sense to me
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 10:55 AM
the Russian word for church sounds kinda like circus
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At a previous workplace I hacked together a system for running a self-updating powerpoint on TVs over the floor. I called it the PropagandaBot.
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We can have this for DMS motto?
10:57 AM
Брань не дым -- глаза не ест.
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 11:00 AM
Не знаю первий часть
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lol
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 11:01 AM
Первый*
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Google Translate has interesting ideas about that first phrase
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Hard words Break no bones
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/29/2019 11:02 AM
well that's the idiom pseudo-translation
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Yes
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/29/2019 11:02 AM
literally it's the scolding has no smoke, won't hurt the eyes
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yes
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 11:02 AM
About to say. Bone is Kost’
11:03 AM
my idioms are rusty
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im no linguist haha
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 11:03 AM
Я лингвист!
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but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!(not really)
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 11:03 AM
Лол
11:05 AM
There was one new guy when I last helped with tours who spoke Russian and was interested in teaching. I hope he actually joins
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 11:08 AM
youse appear to have keys on your keyboard I dont' have... 😖
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!magic8ball should we start a cult?
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dallas-makerspace BOT 7/29/2019 11:09 AM
@pearce, the magic 8 ball has spoken: "PROSPECT GOOD".
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Well there we go. Start the propaganda machine
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 11:09 AM
Our magic 8 ball is much more positive than those we had as kids...
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 11:10 AM
Andrew and I may already be starting a Cult of Personality in PR...
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 11:10 AM
they were always "outlook glum" "ask again later"
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dear God thats disturbing
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 11:19 AM
pierced dunlop... (surprisingly, the only pic I have turned up so far on that... I figured there'd be a chris Farley pic that appeared custom-tailored for this purpose, but so far... nodice)
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NobleGoblin 7/29/2019 11:22 AM
I have a dream catcher belly ring. I think he rocks it better tho
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So long as we're talking posters, we might want to get photos of chairs / officers / board members and place them about the place. I'll try not to sneer at the camera too hard if so.
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FriendsWithDogs 7/29/2019 12:53 PM
I actually have a question about talk. It seems like as recently as a few months ago, a lot of people were quoting the "be excellent to one another" rule more. It doesn't seem to be the case lately, what happened? Is there some bad stigma attached to it now or something?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/29/2019 12:56 PM
No, but there has been a stupid amount of rules lawyering and people claiming that doesn't apply to what they were doing etc. Like the acid spill guy tried to claim there was no rule broken (though there were in fact hard rules broken), but even if there weren't the "be excellent to one another" didn't apply and he had every right to leave several gallons of unlabeled acid in places around the space
12:56 PM
it is meant to be a "don't make us make a rule" kind of rule
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but I think we're seeing less people believe in it enough to accept it
12:56 PM
not a particular stigma
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Personally I think if "be excellent to each other" is "too vague" for someone, they're probably just a jerk
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FriendsWithDogs 7/29/2019 1:00 PM
That was my next thought. It's a shame, I really like it! Thank you for the info, though.
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"be excellent to each other" is a fantastic ideal. and it probably works great in small groups. but as large as we've gotten there are now crowds to hide in.
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FriendsWithDogs 7/29/2019 1:07 PM
Like any ideal, it's crazy hard to reach, and unrealistic to expect 100%. But the more people trying the better imo. Though, of course, that's very easy to say and very hard to accomplish.
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Be excellent is way to vague. I hate it. I'm not a jerk, I just know we are too big for it.
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FriendsWithDogs 7/29/2019 1:09 PM
Is there a less vague way to say it, or a way more applicable to such a big group?
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judy Kriehn 7/29/2019 1:17 PM
Peace, love and makin’ stuff?
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two people can develop a powerful understanding with precious few words. a handful of people can articulate a complex set of ideals with poetry. a group of dozens can list a set of tenets. but exceed dunbar's number and you need to be awfully explicit.
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DMS got away with it for a long time despite growing to several hundred members because there was a small core of regulars below dunbar's number that could enforce the implicit values
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but eventually the quantity of regulars got too large concurrent with turnover
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/29/2019 1:29 PM
@aceat64 agreed, and that's why those people are also the kind of people we have to write rules because of.
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judy Kriehn 7/29/2019 1:38 PM
How about “give me excellence or get a bitchslap”
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I kind of like that!
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Most people are excellent at the space. It's almost par for the course for the dark side to shine through on internet forums. I think it was Kevin who said that in VR forums people are nicer because you see a person rather than just a name.
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Try playing vrchat sometime lol
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denzuko-at-work 7/29/2019 3:17 PM
wasn't that the anime rip off of imvu?
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FriendsWithDogs 7/29/2019 3:21 PM
vrchat is like second life with a virtual reality headset I think
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denzuko-at-work 7/29/2019 3:34 PM
o.o ... released just a few years ago and graphics are only marginally better than CyberTown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyberTown)??
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 3:50 PM
sooo... I assume everyone has noticed that Talk is moving like molasses, but just in case it could help stave off a full-on crash, wanted to call it to Infra's attention... It's been crawling for the last several hours and keeps getting slower and slower. I'm 80% sure it's the site, and not just me/my computer/my browser (most based on other stuff working as expected)
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/29/2019 3:52 PM
it's standard speed for me
3:52 PM
it is text as well or just image loads?
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StanSimmons 7/29/2019 3:53 PM
Looks normal to me as well
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 3:54 PM
click refresh on the stuff has changed notification, wait...wait....wait....wait.... 15-20 seconds later, sometimes more, it will pop them up. usually this is relatively instantaneous
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could just be me, but all the other stuff I have up works as usual
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just clicked this
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and 7 seconds later, I get this
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usually the wait is virtually imperceptable
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clicking that gets me the circle of wait for about 4 seconds, again, the circle usually not appearing, and the wait being virtually imperceptible.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/29/2019 3:57 PM
yeah I'm not getting that
3:57 PM
that's a hard thing to debug too
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/29/2019 3:58 PM
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well. Could just be me. If nobody else bitches, I'd just ignore me.
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judy Kriehn 7/29/2019 4:33 PM
No way. You are unignorable
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@StanSimmons now that's cute.
1:51 PM
Very appropriate and totally the intention of being an admin on talk.
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What are we not providing that makes parks goods inedible?
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'paper plates, bowls, cups and utensils' were mentioned explicitly.
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Could just construct plates, bowls, utensils out of blue tape
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I flagged it and Stan addressed the tag himself
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as little as that costly costly blue tape is being used appropriately, why not?
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StanSimmons 8/2/2019 2:15 PM
Fuck off micheal, I was responding to Pearces personal attack when Freddy closed the thread. It wasn't intentional and Freddy has now hiddent the post.
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And you refuse to remove the post
2:19 PM
For anyone else who wasn't a mod it would be coincidence, since you are a mod it looks like you are abusing your power
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john a gorman 8/2/2019 2:21 PM
@AGr there isn't any blue tape
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 8/2/2019 2:26 PM
Is the blue tape actually used for painting? Otherwise masking tape is cheaper. Unless we are using it for expansion/maintenance purposes then fine. But it should not be a freely available consumable for peoples projects, same with resin, nuts/bolts, etc.
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value of the blue tape is that it's easily removed without damaging the underlying surface, thus hanging temp signs on sensitive surfaces is reasonable. but it's also used as regular tape or on non-sensitive surfaces.
2:29 PM
it's the main tape that we stock so this isn't particularly surprising
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@StanSimmons just delete the post, you as the poster can do that, as can admin/mods
3:13 PM
It's an easy mistake to correct
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Anyone y’all to parks? Know if they will provide plates and utensils when they stock. Say it’s to eat their food ?
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i'd bet good money that beyond spoons, nothing parks provides requires plates
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or anything else
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SewingStuff 8/2/2019 6:00 PM
Maybe just stop providing stuff that requires utensils to eat.
6:02 PM
It’s supposed to be for snacks and stuff, not to facilitate a second home.
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Just decide either way and announce it instead of just not buying stuff and saying we shouldn't have to after the fact. People will bitch and then it will die off.
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I need access to old server closet tonfox ethernet drops in c.a. new area
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No love for you
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Got c.a. digital annex working both walls 1 Jack each. Coming back after lunch to so some Adobe premiere
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Shoot! @yashsedai I think I accidentally made that heated thread a personal message somehow. Now I don't see it.
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lol
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I was reading more on options for moderators at https://meta.discourse.org/t/discourse-moderation-guide/63116#heading--heated-discussion and was just looking at what was available and I accidentally fat fingered it.
So you’re a moderator on a Discourse forum - congratulations! As a forum moderator, it’s your role to help oversee the forum, ensuring that users and content are in line with your TOS, FAQ, and other published rules/guidelines. Discourse comes with numerous tools to help ...
6:34 PM
I done fucked up. 😬
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You can do that?!
6:36 PM
That's a new feature
6:36 PM
Pretty cool
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Thanks for fixing it though!
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This category is not being used and is slated for deletion.
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Reading through Discourse's moderation guide was very helpful for me. (edited)
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its back
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6:37 PM
basically you can click make public post
6:38 PM
and then edit the first post to select the topic
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I think the unused category is unlisted
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SewingStuff 8/5/2019 6:38 PM
Hey Draco is back here too!
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If you took part in it .. it shows up
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it is hidden for everyone else
6:41 PM
it just doesn't show up in the latest list
6:41 PM
but it will in the category
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Shows up under Latest for me.
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Ahhh ok I found out why ... never mind
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Is adding the green dot an action for Talk mods or Talk admin?
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Both can do it I think
8:26 PM
I might be wrong
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Well at the very least I don't have Maker manager access to check to verify membership. I just wanted to see if it was something that was a duty of mine that I didn't realize and if I need to request MM access.
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Dont do it. The more access the more people need you, lol. Jk
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Hahaha. Yeah I'm definitely not volunteering for more. Just checking if there were parts of what I already volunteer for that are falling though the cracks.
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Someone remind me. When we hit July's honorarium cap and the option to request it was turned off, did that also temporarily turn off all requests for honorarium even if they were for classes in August?
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Using Oauth2 via Google is down on Talk again. Any way to either A) Fix issue or B) get my talk login (which was created a couple weeks before I joined) converted to username/password that is my AD credentials?
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Mell, it was turned off period
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you could not request honorarium for classes even in August
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12:38 PM
Good day Karlthane, we cannot convert your talk login to AD credentials. Oauth2 is expected to be fixed on the next stable release for discourse
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judy Kriehn 8/6/2019 12:39 PM
And that issue was one that was brought up in the chair/vice chair discussion. Hard for teachers who like to block out their class plan 3-4 months out.
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So no way for me to log into talk?
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Yeah I just had a message from someone wanting to retroactively get Honorarium for a class on Aug 13th. Bc when she submitted it in July the Honorarium wasn't available. I responded letting her know that wasn't an option but I just wanted to make sure I knew why. Thanks.
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@judy Kriehn yeah I totally get the frustration. I hope it's just a bit of a rough patch with honorarium right now.
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@Karlthane I had the same issue. I had to do a password reset for talk from the login page that fails. Doing so will create a talk login with the same id and history
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@pearce Ok thanks will try that.
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judy Kriehn 8/6/2019 12:51 PM
@mell yeah, I miss the good old days of financial ignorance and apathy.
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constant growth made things easier
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Sorry I had to step away
12:58 PM
let me know if you have problems after the password reset
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Password reset worked.
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perfect
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@yashsedai ticket kiosk says the active directory web service is down
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Or just unreachable from kiosk, I didn't try power cycling kiosk or anything
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Would you mind power cycling it?
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I left already
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/15/2019 3:35 PM
@yashsedai almost off duty. Ill get this resolved
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jump server is restarting
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DMS has a T-Mo femtocell?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/18/2019 1:55 PM
yeah, though I don't know enough about it to help get it back online
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StanSimmons 8/18/2019 2:00 PM
I got it for us because our coverage with TMO is shitty. Rebooting it usually fixes it. It does a vpn out to TMO for up to 8 3g and 8 "4g".
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Aren't those usually locked to a list of specific phones?
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I gather that there are config options to secure them fi you're so inclined
2:31 PM
is funny that I've occasionally hotspotted my phone when the wifi isn't cutting it and those GBs ultimately go down the same pipe as wifi
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StanSimmons 8/18/2019 3:09 PM
This one was specifically ordered from TMO on my personal account to help with the shitty service here. There is also a VZ and ATT microcell around here that was donated by someone... I have not taken the time to set them up yet.
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The TMO one is open for any TMO 3g/4g phone
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Ah cool, didn't know they could be set to open
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/19/2019 1:10 AM
Yeah you can get them for business premesis and other things for customers. They're actually pretty common
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denzuko-at-work 8/22/2019 11:38 AM
@ESmith yes and I donated a sprint and AT&T one as well. not sure if we're using them yet
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StanSimmons 8/22/2019 2:12 PM
Not yet
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/23/2019 10:10 PM
anyone here know how to pull up the user credentials from a remote machine (ie full username) with powershell?
10:11 PM
trying to use winrim (aka remote ps session) but the remote machine uses hotmail authentication not local or domain.
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ok maybe not the right path but this sort of worked just not for connecting to the remote windows server
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what rights do you have to the remote machine
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/23/2019 10:27 PM
I personally own it and the microsoft account its using to authenticate with
10:28 PM
so its an admin account if that's what your meaning
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i'm not following then
10:42 PM
what are you trying to accomplish?
10:43 PM
how to auth with hotmail creds via winrm?
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Denzuko.sdf.org 8/23/2019 10:49 PM
I'll be glad to show you. I'm in the VCC area, are you on site?
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Here's a thought... Is there some way to add on a question when people sign up for membership what is drawing them to the space? ie tools (tell us which one), committee (tell us which one), classes, general community , etc?
11:02 PM
Would help gather data on what brings people in
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/25/2019 11:37 PM
I'd be interested in seeing hte results of such an onboarding survey
11:38 PM
it's probably easiest to send it like once a week to new signups, as long as they didn't opt-out of non-operationally realted emails
11:38 PM
I think we have that option. Need to double check
11:38 PM
@NobleGoblin is that something PR would be interested in helping track?
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I'd be happy to help with data tracking/reporting
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Fail, I clipped rfid reader with cart and it snapped off 3 of 4 mounts where the screw went into rfid housing itself
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Won't be able to repair tonight but can later this week
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Still attached and functioning, but not secure
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/27/2019 12:52 AM
ugh, at least it's lasting longer than old versions. We tried aluminum but even with the larger cutout section needed to be put on standoffs to function. If you can make a new plate out of ABS that works, or remount on standoffs
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@AGr If a new plate is needed there is an SVG in my member folder called "Door_controls"
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Thanks, was going to get some measurements tomorrow and try to fix wednesday
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/27/2019 1:06 AM
I think the only thing missing from that file are the screwholes for the railing screws
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I cheated last time and just lined up the ABS plexi shards to mark the holes on the aluminum and that worked alright. THose don't have a tight tolerance
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/29/2019 4:37 AM
@here why is talk in read only mode right now?
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FriendsWithDogs 8/29/2019 4:56 AM
Is it? I get a reply thing, or was it already fixed?
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium It always goes into readonly mode while it backs up around 4:30am
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or does house keeping
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/29/2019 10:57 AM
Ah, never knew that
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I did notice it had some regularity when I couldn't sleep
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/29/2019 11:43 AM
so... who's responsible for the care & feeding of the DMS eventbrite page? https://www.eventbrite.com/v/dallas-makerspace-671
There are 0 upcoming events at Dallas Makerspace in Carrollton, TX
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lol
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123 notit
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j/k
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I list on eventbrite but not under the official dms page. (edited)
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/29/2019 11:57 AM
jewlery seems to have mastered it, but nobody else, really, it seems...
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Truth
11:59 PM
3d printed petg 0.5 inch diam 2.5 long cylinder with .16 hole and tapped it for 10-32, so those mounts should break first if hit again
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/30/2019 4:08 AM
Thanks Brandon!
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is woodshops AC supposed to be offline?
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StanSimmons 9/8/2019 9:19 AM
It was probably frozen up again. I just checked and it was on this morning.
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ProTip: it's never not a layer 1 fault when the NETWORK light isn't staying on
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lol
4:13 PM
come on!
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I mean, it could switch to wireless mode over a small enough gap
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lololol
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only took the network technician 20+ minutes to inform that the CPE wasn't actually showing the usual indicators
4:16 PM
field tech probably bend the fiber too hard or didn't really seat it
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lolololol
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or maybe that second trip to the hub they actually bothered to make sure it was connected to the right splitter
4:17 PM
sh_t ... there are BPON splitters in that hub. Bet they hooked that GPON ONT up to a BPON splitter, much to the consternation of that ancient tellabs OLT.
4:18 PM
problem with this business is that there are installers and then there are field techs
4:18 PM
the job title is field tech, but some of them are really just installers
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!members
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dallas-makerspace BOT 9/10/2019 7:02 PM
There are currently 2072 members.
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/10/2019 7:27 PM
how hard would it be to create a "members" channel, where the bot can only talk to itself, to post the member count say... every 168 hours, twice a week, on Thursday around 1800 and again on Thursday around 23:59?
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You can direct message the bot
9:46 PM
The bot could also post a message of the day or whatever
9:47 PM
This is the extent of my knowledge. You can write some code yourself to do it
9:47 PM
!about
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dallas-makerspace BOT 9/10/2019 9:47 PM
I understand the following commands: !about or !info - Display this help message. !magic8ball <question> - Ask the magic 8 ball a question. !members - Show the total number of active DMS members. !random - Request a random number, chosen by fair dice roll. My source code is available on GitHub: https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot
Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/dms-discord-bot development by creating an account on GitHub.
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/10/2019 9:50 PM
~You can write some code yourself to do it~ ROFL Me no coder...
9:53 PM
also me dm dallas-makerspace (bot) does not work. i am a bad channel, apparently...
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@aceat64 broke it then
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judy Kriehn 9/11/2019 8:38 AM
But @aceat64 was probably under the influence of dental sedatives at the time.
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StanSimmons 9/11/2019 8:45 AM
Johnson controls is here to work on woodshop ac.... someone apparently changed roof access code.
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The bot doesn't allow PM commands to prevent a denial of service attack
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@StanSimmons might have been the landlord? We can probably cut the lock off if we really need to
10:59 AM
Let me know if they didn't get in and I'll email the landlord and ask
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StanSimmons 9/11/2019 11:33 AM
Rather than pay for an AC call and not get anything done, I had the AC guy cut the lock and then handed him off to Freddy while I go to the eye doctor
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If LL did this, need to know why. Access being abused?
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I don't believe we are supposed to be on the roof anyway, but we had the code a long time ago
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StanSimmons 9/13/2019 5:09 PM
I suspect the lock just failed. It wasn't a weatherproof lock.
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That would make sense
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The last few times I encountered the lock it was just open and only serving to keep the door closed
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I ordered another
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 9/13/2019 6:35 PM
yeah and Tim was on it a day or two before. I doubt anyone came and changed it in that interim
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judy Kriehn 9/13/2019 8:59 PM
Kevin asked how many licenses were ordered for Adobe CC.
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I said I dunno, because more than digital media uses Adobe CC.
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StanSimmons 9/13/2019 9:30 PM
at one point we had 14 licenses for Adobe CC. I don't know the current status
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Well .. I think there has been a miscommunication then @yashsedai
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How so
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You had thought that I wrote the calendar code when I didn't
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I never said that
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I said you claimed to update it
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And left it in a piss poor state
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What was wrong?
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You can have a look at the pull when he posts it
6:08 PM
More than I care to list
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Was it my modifications? or original code?
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My overall point that you miss
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Is that you claim to have done so much, when what you did most of was stir shit
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That is the misunderstanding
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In case you dont get it, we are tired of you and the shit stirring (edited)
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We who?
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Lol
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Nice try
6:10 PM
It looked very different at the member meeting
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The officers? The board?
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Lol
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You live in fantasy land (edited)
6:11 PM
You surround yourself in an echo chamber of people who rally to your cause. This is not the cause of the general membership
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Like you do here .. on discord
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?
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You think that your want for control should override the people doing the job
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I am not going to override or control anything
6:12 PM
I am just a member dude
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You are trying trying ttying
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Bullshit
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You are so far up everyone's ass about your power to the people agenda it's amazing you dont have shit on your nose
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It is they that tell me stuff
6:13 PM
and are afraid to come out and talk
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You dont seem to understand anything about organizational management. And yet, every two seconds you are up in the middle of shit running your mouth about crap that usually isnt true
6:14 PM
That's bullshit too
6:14 PM
Afraid... (edited)
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Dude
6:14 PM
Idgaf about your links
6:14 PM
You seem to be confused as normal
6:15 PM
Consensus is not how we are running DMS
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It might have worked at 200, but the adults have to stand up and take care of business
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If we left dms up to "volunteer speed" nothing would get done
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You will see that what happened with you and the anime thing you helped out with .. will happen again because you do the same stuff
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You dont even know about it
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I know enough that the people there .. think what you are doing in your position here warrants the same actions
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Haha
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You dont know shit
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You havent the slightest fucking clue
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Its amusing that you think you do though
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Why do I bother talking with you at all? I thought perhaps I could explain my actions with the calendar .. and get you to see some reason .. but I see you love power too much to care
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later
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Power?
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Lol I love dms
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You want to hurt dms
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It's simple math
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Repel the invaders
6:20 PM
If power is being conscientious about tour position then I guess I'm guilty
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@yashsedai just confirming you ordered 3 iPads for DMS
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Yes
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StanSimmons 9/30/2019 3:21 PM
Printer guy came today, said he'd never seen anything like it on the Samsung. He will be back tomorrow with a new board.
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Excellent!!!
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StanSimmons 10/1/2019 9:56 PM
apparently "tomorrow" is a fluid concept. 😉 They had to order a replacement board.
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"tomorrow" is conveniently never "now"
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StanSimmons 10/2/2019 12:32 PM
It is working now
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Apparently_Weird 10/2/2019 12:58 PM
Is infrastructure over the adobe license issue on the design computers in interactive? Trying to figure out who the correct contact is to get this fixed.
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should be
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Infrastructure has the laser and digital media licenses. 3dfab and creative arts do their own thing
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Apparently_Weird 10/2/2019 1:36 PM
Since Freddy has been busy, is there someone on the team that may have the bandwidth to fix the two computers license issue on either end in Interactive?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2019 1:45 PM
@Kevin we do the design computers too. We should have licenses for those. Can you generate a package? I think those installs are still on the legacy licenses from before Adobe changed the policy
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I can generate the packages and install them. Do we want the full adobe suite or a subset? Issue is it’s on the 5 new laser computers and 9 digital media computers. I don’t have the adobe admin rights to deactivate old licenses to make room for new activations. Also do we want people creative cloud accounts to sync locally with their profile. I can figure that out based on how big the design computers hard drives are.
1:53 PM
But yeah I can generate and install them. Just not sure if they will activate and don’t have rights to fix that
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Apparently_Weird 10/2/2019 1:54 PM
We do need to have the full Adobe suite available. This way people can work on whatever projects outside of Digital Media if someone is filming or has a class going on.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2019 2:11 PM
that's way too many computers; there were 3 or 4 specified for DM, and 4 for laser. Laser doesn't have 9 computers justified for licenses
2:12 PM
and even then laser didn't need the full suite
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But do you actually want Premier Pro and rush for video, audition for audio, distiller, after effects, character animator, dreamweaver websites, media encoder and prelude etc... on .5TB hard drives?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2019 2:12 PM
@Apparently_Weird the design computers are supposed to have the full suite
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It makes no difference to me, 1 application is the same cost as all 20
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2019 2:13 PM
it's not the same cost IIRC
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I want to know where the 9 licenses alledgedly used by laser went
2:13 PM
since they should only have 4
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Yeah it is they both consume one device license
2:14 PM
laser has 5 computers
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2019 2:14 PM
its a full suite per device license; we can get licenses for the non-full suite that are cheaper for things that need it, like laser only really needs illustrator and maybe photoshop
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the rest I put on the digital media computers
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2019 2:14 PM
they should only have 4
2:14 PM
4 machines
2:14 PM
their machines are not permitted for design work
2:15 PM
just for loading jobs. hence illustrator for conversions and quick touches
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Since the wiki said they were laser and digital media licenses
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We bought 5 computers when Andrew got the new setup. Only 4 should be used at the moment, the 5th is for a new laser/test platform when we have the space.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2019 2:15 PM
infrastructure manages the machines and licenses. They are allocated to committees.
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Laser could move to a cheaper one application license but I dont see that those were purchased
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It will likely need a license in the future. But I doubt it needs one right now.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2019 2:16 PM
also little dyslexic. misread as 9 laser and 5 DM
2:16 PM
DM does not even have 9 workstations operational
2:16 PM
infrastructure procured 14 licenses for the entire space on the old system, of which 3 still are reserved for the design computers
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yeah it does and two more that can be fixed
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2019 2:17 PM
we spec'd thje current license count by operational stations
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I am looking at your space right now
2:17 PM
you do not have 9 usable workstations
2:17 PM
you have 4 desks, at which 3 machines are crammed on one
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all 3 of those work
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2019 2:18 PM
6 machines that could be called operational
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not 9
2:18 PM
I missed one, 7
2:19 PM
but we still reserved 3 licenses during acquisition for the design computers
2:19 PM
and those machines must have them since we have to have a set that is not beholden to classes / committees so members may work on things
2:19 PM
laser doesn't provide design computers, and DM may have a class or be in use
2:20 PM
@yashsedai can chime in here. If you want to purchase some more licenses with DM budget fine, but we can't take the seat count from the design computers
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Yeah I get it, still cant deactivate licenses and reactivate without permissions
2:20 PM
I can install the full suite on the 2 working computers though
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2019 2:21 PM
you don't have the owner role to add more licenses, but as a workstation manager should be able to remove them from a machine
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I can take it off digital media and the 5th laser computer thats not in use
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2019 2:21 PM
if not I'll see if I can get them this evening
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I contacted adobe support a while back when upgrading laser and they wouldnt let me
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kevin
2:23 PM
how many computers in digital media do you have adobe on?
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Please give me the names of the ones that need the license deactivated
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Deactivate the whole "Default-Creative Cloud All Apps for HED-Shared Device" Profile group
2:36 PM
I believe thats the only way you can deactivate licenses on admin console. You can do individual computers with physical access and command line but some of those computers dont exist anymore. I've set up separate profile groups for this reason.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2019 2:59 PM
Yeah it's weird but came to the same conclusion from the Adobe documentation.
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@yashsedai did we figure out if we can get a mini pc for dedicated for the multicam router?
10:09 PM
the ones laser has would be plenty powerful. It can run the multicam program in the background with windows, then force into RDP for using Vcarve like we do with the pi
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Anyone able to go look at CA square?
7:40 PM
They said there is a password, i thought Freddy pulled them off the iPads so someone must have logged off which will break everything until someone adds the pin code back
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i'll be looking at it
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so the issue here is that someone failed to complete a transacction and tried cancelling and it was stuck
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The night I was trying it, it wasn’t stuck. It just wouldn’t acknowledge a card swipe.
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The pin code is normally needed for mgr override during that situation in the past if you close app and reopen it will reset it
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I had access to the pin.
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I closed the app and reopened it. It said it was connected as it reopened.
9:17 AM
(I had Judy on my phone)
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Aye
9:24 AM
sorry
9:24 AM
work distraction
9:24 AM
the base seems to be toast
9:24 AM
i'll be changing it out today, ran out of time yesterday
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Thank you!!!
9:25 AM
It seems to be hard enough to get people to pay.
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no argument there
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/24/2019 1:34 PM
we need to investigate using something that isn't this suare setup, or at least have an alternative option
1:36 PM
like we could have one time use payments in WHMCS for a few of the really common ones available in case payments aren't available on the spot
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How would you integrate that to QBO?
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Speaking of quickbooks... Brad is sending people to infra for QBO access, so can I has?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/24/2019 5:35 PM
@Robert there are a ton of QBO integrations for WHMCS. I'm sure one of them will do what we need
5:35 PM
Our WHMCS QuickBooks Online Automatic Sync Module is your complete solution for a two-way streamlined billing and accounting workflow if you use QuickBooks Online to manage your accounting for WHMCS.
5:35 PM
(not endorsing that one, just that it's something that isn't uncommon)
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maybe I'm late to the game here, but if y'all are looking for an ethernet tester, this thing seems interesting https://www.pockethernet.com/ supposed to do tdr as well
Pockethernet is designed to help you easily maintain and trouble-shoot ethernet networks. It comes with 20+ features such as Wiremap, TDR, DHCP, VLAN and more.
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that is quite interesting
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FYI Talk is in read only mode
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part of the backup script, no?
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yes
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It runs every morning when no one but @Robert is on the forums
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It’s true...
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We've got telepresence options for committee meetings?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/28/2019 3:30 PM
always have
3:30 PM
we have G Suite Pro for every member
3:31 PM
when you create a Google calendar item logged into your g suite account, hit "add conferencing" and it gives you options
3:31 PM
we can even override the 1k subscriber limit for Youtube Live streaming when streaming a public meeting
3:32 PM
as for better micropones / cameras that's where it can get tricky. I know we had a setup at one point at least, but for meetings that aren't too rowdy just running it off a laptop is usually ok
3:33 PM
we even have phone dial-in support with it, so you can just straight up call in rather than use the web interface or setup an app
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Hey all, I'm a new member having trouble accessing the jump server. Seems like an auth issue, could someone take a look into this? Username is jchancehud
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Denzuko.sdf.org 10/28/2019 4:46 PM
be there in 20. I'll help walk you through how to get on the jump server
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Ok, thanks @Denzuko.sdf.org
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Denzuko.sdf.org 10/28/2019 5:28 PM
oh today is whitehat day
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Any reason the 102 warehouse thermostat is still in 'cool mode'?
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A. Spencer(jast) 10/29/2019 6:44 PM
tomorrow, we'll want it?
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yes
6:46 PM
because it only does cool
6:46 PM
it is not running
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Deleted User 11/4/2019 7:54 PM
Is there anyone available that can enable remote RDP access for me?
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whats going on?
7:58 PM
it should be enabled by default
7:58 PM
what is your username?
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Deleted User 11/4/2019 8:19 PM
jswebb82
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give it a try
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Deleted User 11/4/2019 8:28 PM
It works. Excellent.
8:28 PM
Thank you so much
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yw
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Deleted User 11/4/2019 8:32 PM
Is there a way you could add like 500MB of storage so I can save files and slice and such?
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john a gorman 11/4/2019 9:17 PM
@Deleted User save it to the member drive
9:17 PM
Create your own folder there. Then you can access from any space computer
9:19 PM
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Deleted User 11/4/2019 9:53 PM
Oh excellent.
9:53 PM
Thanks
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Understand there are no inherited rights masks on member drive, as it is in the spirit of sharing. So keep other backups besides there
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Deleted User 11/4/2019 10:10 PM
Of course but if im doing something via RDP, I obviously can't save it to a physical drive, so I needed a way to do that.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 11/4/2019 10:22 PM
you can also map your local computer to the jump server as part of the RDP connection; it's how I move stuff between DMS and home when using windows programs
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/5/2019 9:54 AM
most of this addressed in the Jump Server FAQ: https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/JumpServerFAQ
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no idea if this is worth following up on, but I found this page "interesting" https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Cancel_membership
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/6/2019 10:24 AM
Huh. That IS interesting...
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no idea if she cancelled through normal methods etc.
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/6/2019 10:26 AM
Me neither. I've not become a part of that data stream...
10:33 AM
Still shows active member account on dms.local with the name same as Uname on wiki. How interesting that, of all the resources at a member's disposal, creating a wiki page fell most readily to this cause...especially given MOST members eschew Wiki work in general I reckon @yashsedai is probably working the WHCMS queue, where this probably really should have been filed. No idea if anyone else is...
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*especially given MOST members eschew loathe Wiki work in general with nuclear intensity*
12:19 PM
FTFY
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Deleted User 11/6/2019 10:42 PM
Can someone check why I can't access the storage system? It's said I couldn't be found :-/
10:42 PM
jswebb82
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Is there like some kind of trick to logging in to the wiki? MakerManager user/pass aren't working...
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stop breaking things!
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/18/2019 4:02 PM
dms.local creds should do it
4:03 PM
but I'm guessing you already know that
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lol those dont seem to be wroking either
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/18/2019 4:04 PM
hm.
4:04 PM
maybe contact infrastructure folks?
4:04 PM
😄
4:05 PM
lol
4:05 PM
it IS FUBARd
4:05 PM
or is that SNAFUd?
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....
4:27 PM
BOHICA
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TIL...
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But I enjoy breaking things...
4:32 PM
It's the only thing I'm good at
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Apparently_Weird 11/18/2019 4:32 PM
In my case it was a PEBKAC issue. Wiki doesn’t like capitals nor special characters such as underscores.
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to be fair, that's only arguably a human's fault @Apparently_Weird 🙂
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the wiki is a bastard
4:34 PM
and now after digging more if you knew how it authenticated you would think so too
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Apparently_Weird 11/18/2019 4:34 PM
Exactly.. PEBKAC. Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.
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I'm just trying to figure out how @A. Spencer(jast) wasn't the first to notice the problem 🙂
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/18/2019 4:34 PM
meeting @ work
4:34 PM
😄
4:35 PM
@yashsedai I know LukeS. did some wikked shyte to make it work with DMS.LOCAL creds.
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I mean, seriously wikked. I think it involved chicken sacrifices and such...
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ya
4:36 PM
im noticing there was some... interesting stuff
4:36 PM
good thing it doesn't have to last forever
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/18/2019 4:36 PM
oh yea? New "wiki" in the works?
4:36 PM
whatisitwhatisitwhatisit?
4:37 PM
I know, come to an infra meeting...
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lol its called confluence
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Yeah, been there, done that, trying to get mediawiki to do what you want. Fuuuuck that.
4:38 PM
Oh god seriously.
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/18/2019 4:38 PM
was just checking ou confluence today
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I have no opinion
4:38 PM
😄
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its still better than mediawiki will ever be
4:38 PM
its not the best solution
4:38 PM
but its a solution
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I mean, it's probably better integrated, but damn it ran slow as hell at the last job
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thats cause its a damn resource hog
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/18/2019 4:39 PM
lol. I like mediawiki
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mediawiki is just bad software
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/18/2019 4:39 PM
but I ain't our audience.
4:40 PM
does confluence do the "pretty page" think like those links Nicole threw up? Y'know, big tiles of pretty pictures that hide the evil submenus
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Confluence is written in Java
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I ain't going to complain about better editors and more organized pages, so I guess if we've got something decent to run it on...
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/18/2019 4:40 PM
wiki markup FTW!
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I use confluence at work. It has its strengths and weaknesses.
7:37 AM
editor freaks the f__k out occasionally, but that's the story of web apps
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I'm gonna *assume (because if I don't the horrors will keep me awake at night)* that there's some sort of graceful migration process to confluence and that edit histories will be preserved?
7:46 AM
I can understand that getting wiki edit histories to show up as confluence edit histories is an unreasonable ask
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lolololololololol
8:01 AM
i mean totally!
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is there some sort of automated migration of at least the present wiki content to Confluence? With some semblance of preserving existing formatting?
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lol doubtful
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/19/2019 9:22 AM
so is the plan to leave the wiki in place for historical content and start the confluence from scratch?
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not sure yet
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I think the plan is quite a ways out and we've twisted his arm to admit to it prematurely lol
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just curious, do we get Atlassian products for free since we're a non-profit and if so, is Confluence the only one being looked at?
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we get atlassian products gratis and jira helpdesk and confluence are the starting points, i'd be happy to entertain other suggestions
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It's quite possible that's all that really makes sense for now. At work we use BitBucket (git repo, but DMS is probably fine with github) and some Bamboo (our old build system we're replacing with Jenkins for the most part).
11:46 AM
I guess they own Trello now though, so that could be useful
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Limey (MReynolds) 11/19/2019 7:00 PM
Is the wiki working ok?? Me and Joe are trying to log in and getting invalid username/password
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/19/2019 7:01 PM
it's not. can't log in
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It is currently not working
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/19/2019 7:01 PM
freddy's on it...
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Limey (MReynolds) 11/19/2019 7:02 PM
Go Freddie go!
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i know the issue, i've asked for a fix 😛
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/19/2019 7:03 PM
it's easy. Just run unfoobar /wiki
7:03 PM
😄
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if only
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/19/2019 7:07 PM
I think this is the original recipe, but I have no idea how Luke "massaged" it to make the login wedge work to begin with... but, maybe this will help
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It's just using LDAP/AD, probably just can't talk to the AD server or the credentials it uses to bind changed
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/19/2019 7:23 PM
spoilsport
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Limey (MReynolds) 11/19/2019 7:23 PM
Lol
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judy Kriehn 11/19/2019 8:03 PM
I think we should turn off the internet, then turn it back on again.
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its a 404 error
9:40 PM
IPADDRESS - USERNAME [18/Nov/2019:15:46:35 +0000] "POST /blah/check-credentials HTTP/1.1" 404 306 "-" "-"
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Wait what
11:43 PM
Is it using some custom code to check auth against an microservice?
11:43 PM
There's LDAP/AD plugins for mediawiki, we were using one
11:43 PM
I set it up
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/19/2019 11:59 PM
haven't found the "discussion", but here's Luke's assertion that he created the plugin being used: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/update-regular-membership-meeting-committees-list-9-14-2018/42941/10?u=jast
11:59 PM
there's some thread somewhere where he mentions the 'source' from which he started...
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give the wiki a try again
1:55 AM
seems to be working
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/20/2019 7:17 AM
'tis indeed allowing login at this time... 👍
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/21/2019 3:37 PM
@aceat64 soo... discobot. your invention? Does it send a PM to all new users of Talk with its invitation to the tutorial?
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It's part of the forums, I didn't write it
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/21/2019 3:40 PM
ah. it sends a pm to all new users with the interactive tutorial?
3:40 PM
(I don't recall getting this, and most folks evidently don't finish it, but I found it FUN!)
3:49 PM
it's fairly new
3:49 PM
it works amazingly well for teaching you how to use the software
3:49 PM
and anyone can start it by PMing the bot
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/21/2019 3:51 PM
Yup. I wanted to drop it in to the "read first" post... I'm not able to get that text into the post without invoking the tutorial though...
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judy Kriehn 11/21/2019 6:43 PM
I found it amusing as well back in my early days of TALK. Followed by reading nearly every thread that existed at that time.
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I wanted to take a minute to recognize Andrew LeCody for his ongoing contributions of time, effort and knowledge. He went out of his way today/yesterday to help me with an issue that affected infrastructure and DMS as a whole. His historical knowledge and technical skill is ...
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glad to help
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@yashsedai would you be able to reach out to the Cintas rep to get the paper towel dispenser fixed? Ladies room, outside of Pillar of Solitude. The Ladies of the Space send their gratitude.
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The cable to the digital arts annex far wall is wonky. I'll pull a fresh one black friday.
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Same issue with some others
9:33 PM
Much appreciate let's coordinate
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Yes sir. I'll chat thursday online pre stuffing myself at grandmas
3:54 PM
Well that’s not good
3:55 PM
I think it’s a bit ridiculous to disable the api key
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that bs
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Fun fact I think we still own it but I picked up the domain marketplace because people would constantly say Dallas Marketplace
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MM only uses 3
3:56 PM
I wrote a new version of the smartwaiver component that uses v4 though
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can you please forward that?
3:57 PM
its cause andrew is the bomb
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To who it went to back office
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nvm
3:57 PM
i'm blind af
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I'll merge that change so it can be deployed
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Thanks Andrew
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Good job nerds. I only slightly grasp what you are talking about but know it's important
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>.>
4:25 PM
NERD
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Meh, only one major version behind?
4:44 PM
We just jumped 12 major versions on the compiler we use for our DSPs. Thanks TI
4:45 PM
This is what I am trying to trouble shoot... WTF developer
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thats hilarious
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 11/25/2019 7:06 PM
lolwut?
7:06 PM
not the best error message but it's getting up there
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Muh kiosk is borked
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Restart
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Yer a wizard!
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@Robert I can relate and wonder about where white dog shit went every time I watch "Step Brothers"... Hehe
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Haha I did get it working should see the error logs when it actually works
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@aceat64 is the man!
11:24 PM
He gets more Kudos!
11:24 PM
Thank you so much for rewriting the smartwaiver code!
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 11/26/2019 8:04 AM
I imagine his code is much better than back when we worked on RFID controller 0.1 😉
11:41 AM
11:41 AM
Anyone else have a problem where they can’t update there address?
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lol
11:47 AM
unfortunately yes
11:47 AM
its not funny lol
11:48 AM
its hit your head against the desk until bloody lol
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Laser kiosk iPad supposed to be bowing like that?
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Told infra about that a few months ago
4:20 PM
Negative
4:21 PM
I have called apple they don’t seem to care but it happens on always charging applications
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Doesn't run gracefully from USB power I suppose
4:22 PM
Never not charging the battery
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Noticed it’s about 2-3 years
4:22 PM
It actually has a pretty good run
4:23 PM
There cheap iPads so just needs to be replaced
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It's been replaced once recently
4:37 PM
That kiosk is eating ipads
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I talked to freddy about it a few weeks ago. The plan is to replace the kiosk and iPad.
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it was replaced
7:49 PM
this is a second one
7:49 PM
the base seems to be the problem
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It's not plugged into the 220v power strip somehow is it?
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dont think so
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/5/2019 9:05 PM
don't those power adapters flex for "world power"?
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nfc
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/5/2019 9:23 PM
that's what's swelling?
9:23 PM
weird...
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the battery is swelling
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well shit, I just realized, I was wrong, I did change the switches up a bit during the clean up
11:43 PM
I replaced an 8 port with a 48 port
11:43 PM
so it's not the same amount of ports as before the cleanup
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 12/10/2019 6:42 AM
Damn, why the improvement!? More is not better!
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WiFi seems strong in common room
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the force is strong
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Expand it out and look at the channels though
6:21 PM
Since we've got stuff on 2.4 and 5ghz
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/10/2019 6:40 PM
I'm probably a 2.5 user, since all my shit's always ancient, but honestly, @dms wifi = bad in my experience. Always has been. Even when I have a "newer" whatchamcomputhingy
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Any particular area you notice issues?
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Also could you elaborate on bad, could help us figure out if it's packet loss, low bandwidth or latency issues
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/10/2019 6:44 PM
hm. Everywhere. Usually in a classroom (classic area; I haven't really had time to "use" the recent additions). Conference room. Purple. common.
6:44 PM
lecture, so pretty much, all the classrooms in the classic section
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Like was signal strength low or high
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Could it be the power is turned up too high and it does not hand off well
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/10/2019 6:45 PM
impossible to browse during class
6:45 PM
drops chromecast during class
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Slow initial load on webpage but then once started loads fast, things like that
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/10/2019 6:45 PM
cannot connect to either SID
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Wait, it can't even associate?
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/10/2019 6:46 PM
no. flat out spinning 'load indicator' and then....more waiting
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yep. with my own equipment I cannot connect period.
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with DMS equipment, unable to browse, cast, file browse
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Weird
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/10/2019 6:47 PM
Now that my phone is only 1 generation old (S10) I don't think I've even tried
6:48 PM
my moto I had until ~8months ago never could connect
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I would try to lower the power of the AP’s
6:48 PM
On 2.4
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/10/2019 6:48 PM
S4 prior to that connected back in '15 or so, but not since '17, at the latest
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Since TMobile is dead around the space I'm almost always on DMS wifi
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I don't think they're all that close though
6:49 PM
Normally I think we'd lower power for higher density
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No issues for me unless I'm in back parking lot
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Need to do a site survey around most of the rooms to know for sure
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@yashsedai we're still on ubnt access points right? Is the firmware up-to-date?
6:52 PM
And, is zero hand-off turned off (it doesn't always work great)
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6:53 PM
It's a neat idea, but doesn't play well with everyone
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Ubnt should have auto channel and power
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Yeah
6:55 PM
I wonder if we have a bunch of old 802.11b junk sitting on the wifi
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That'll fuck it up real good
6:57 PM
Or the announcement data rate got pushed up
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Yes
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We do
7:09 PM
We are gonna play hunt the old wifi shit
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I use my mid-2011 Mac Air on wirelessly in CA all the time. I print from there... Works great on my phone, too... Many Pokémon have been caught. It that the ghost power of common-room-networks-past?
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WiFi is good for me. I usually connect up in the back parking lot and don't drop while I'm at the space. I use DMS Members
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 12/11/2019 6:43 AM
Really have issues with WiFi. The new lobby is sometimes slow but generally good.
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I ran nmap on the network and found a bunch of little things on the network. Maybe play a game with it Saturday for the Infrastucture hackathon
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 12/12/2019 3:08 PM
@Kevin please talk to infra before doing things like this
3:09 PM
it's a good way to crash smaller devices
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Kevin.....
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Sorry dad
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Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/storage-kiosk-app development by creating an account on GitHub.
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A methodology for building modern, scalable, maintainable software-as-a-service apps.
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"Infrastructure Hackathon-ers At Work"
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2 days before First Sunday, 2pm Email all users with tickets expiring that month First Sunday, 2pm Email all users with tickets expiring that month
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2 day before First Sunday, 2pm Email logistics with list of tickets expiring this month
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anyone know what these are being used for? I've found a few on raspberry pis at the space: https://openlabs.co/store/pi-6lowpan-slip-radio
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 12/14/2019 7:19 PM
I think that is for some beacon system someone in electronics was/is working on?
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specs seem to indicate they can opperate on 2.4ghz, which could explain issues people are having with older gear on the wifi
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I pulled the drive from one of the rpis, it seems to be running RIOT, a chat software
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To be clear, this doesn't seem malicious or anything but I'm going to be writing a pipeline to image these rpis, so if they need software to support whatever they are doing I'd need to roll it into the image
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It's for tracking small tools around the space
7:51 PM
There's some Ryobi tools with them inside them now
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Really? That's pretty cool, I'd love to see how it works
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Benemorius
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/15/2019 3:47 PM
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/infrastructure-hackathon-sat-dec-14th-2019/65938/16?u=jast @aceat64 and co. you did awesome work! (Wish I would have thought to toss into that mix: fix the colors on the calendar mobile site so you can see the "hamburger menu" choices. This seems really easy to me, and would have been another one of those "ah, thank goodness someone finally ticked that box" moments, like Judy's typographical correction... but what do I know... Good job, gang! (edited)
It went really well and I’d like to again thank all the members who came out and helped! Here are some of the things we accomplished: Storage Kiosk Uploaded the code to a github repo Switched over to using a database instead of a flat text file to record storage tickets ...
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are the colors weird on mobile?
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oh I see it
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john a gorman 12/15/2019 3:49 PM
@aceat64 is that what Thomas is running?
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/15/2019 3:49 PM
yeah. Grayish text in bluish background makes for not being able to see "hosting events" and the like once logged in
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ok, fixed
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you'll have to clear cache
4:04 PM
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/15/2019 4:46 PM
WOOHOO! (don't know the happyjig dance emoji on here, but would use)
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May I ask what that took?
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a small bit of css
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/15/2019 5:22 PM
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How long has the voip been down, do we know? I'd be down over the holiday week to work on it and redo it.
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Voip is not down
11:20 PM
but moved to 3CX
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So we need to preregister the sip endpoints
11:32 PM
Reregister.
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Finally, this is what I've been waiting for with the maker manager rewrite
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/16/2019 1:50 PM
if I may as, as a total idjit, what does cakephp4 bring to that project that 3.x didn't have?
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OH. Probably this bit: This is release begins a new chapter for CakePHP as 4.0 is now API stable.
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Mainly it means anything I write will be supported for much longer
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 12/16/2019 2:18 PM
Mmmmm cake
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all I need to know about PHP I get from PHP CEO
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MY EDUCATED GUESSES ARE ASTONISHING INTUITIVE LEAPS, FORGED IN THE FIRE OF EXPERIENCE BY A CUNNING INTELLECT YOUR GUESSES ARE RANDOM GARBAGE WHICH REVEAL HOW PROFOUNDLY STUPID AND WRONG YOU ARE ABOUT EVERYTHING, AND HINT AT DEEP AND IRREDEEMABLE CHARACTER FLAWS
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one of my favorite twitter accounts
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yes
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IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT SOMEONE CALLED JASON HAS BEEN ENCODING AND DECODING DATA IN OUR APP. PLEASE CHANGE YOUR PASSWORDS
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Hey can someone make me owner of the laser group? Or at least add @squaredroots to it?
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@pearce would do that...
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I assume he means on Talk
4:01 PM
which would be more of a @yashsedai thing or someone else with similar permissions
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Oh, sorry, on talk. I didnt think discord worked like that.
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it doesn't, which is why I figured you meant talk 🙂
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Though I still can't post in #committee_chairs....
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laser committee chair right?
4:04 PM
@michaelb fixed
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Ayyyy thanks
4:06 PM
Now I'll probably never post in there, but that's life
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/16/2019 5:48 PM
Freddy, Jim, and Lara are, as far as I know, the only people who can change owners of a group, although the existing owners could bestow this power and then remove themselves and/or you could remove them (I think, having never actually participated in such events)
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Its just me and Andrew on here. I was waiting for all the chairs to be named
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Are we still able to use VPN? I'm trying to setup on my mac, and auth fails. I tried resetting my password with WHMCS, but still getting "AUTH: Received control message: AUTH_FAILED" with Tunnelblick.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 12/22/2019 10:38 PM
there isn't a reason to VPN into the network
10:38 PM
so we don't really maintain it
10:39 PM
if it was still online that's because of someone not explicitly removing it, but IMO it adds risk to both DMS and the user without any real benefit
10:39 PM
you can mount the share through RDP, SFTP, SCP, and other methods already
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ah ok. I just renewed my membership and wanted to view some of the "Approved Trained Users" to see what I'm still certified for.
10:51 PM
Any way to access 192.168.200.32:8080 from outside?
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RDP to the jump server, I assume that's a webpage?
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ah ok
10:56 PM
Yeah - that worked. Thanks @aceat64 and @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium
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Is anyone going to DMS that can look at the Powermatic Saw’s interlock it appears that the antenna could be damaged
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Lol that 3D Fab camera on the website is still pointing to the old room
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 12/30/2019 3:06 AM
@aceat64 any idea why Talk doesn't use G Suite for it's outbound email?
3:06 AM
seems like something that might have been done legacy wise, but I'm unsure. Currently debugging why a user on outlook.com doesn't get our talk emails, but gets our g suite ones
3:07 AM
talk is currently using an smtp gateway from sparkpost
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I believe the answer was blacklist protection to monitor rejects and spam lists to make sure the account was not blacklisted.
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It sends too many emails
8:16 AM
G suite has a limit to how many emails a user can send per day
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You could remedy this by turning off the option to have all the talk posts converted into emails.
8:24 AM
We turned that on because people didn't want to leave the Gmail thread system we were using. (it was awful, and if you wanted any posts you got all the posts)
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It defaults to not sending emails except for things like PMs
8:25 AM
And tags
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I don’t get everything just PM’s
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People have to turn on the feature to send an email for every thread/post
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8:25 AM
Even without that it would be too many emails
8:26 AM
The g suite limit is very low
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2k per day
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 12/30/2019 3:16 PM
well we have delivery problems with outlook.com from the sounds of it. We don't have SPF/DKIM/DMARC setup for any of this. The fact that our MX records are all google, but we have another sender will contribute to rejections
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also FYI, G Suite's limits for SMTP are far beyond what I think we need: https://support.google.com/a/answer/2956491#sendinglimitsforrelay
If you have the legacy free edition of G Suite, upgrade to G Suite Basic to get this feature.  If your organization uses Microsoft® Exchange or another non-Gmail SMTP
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It looks like we're only sending hundreds of emails per day, not thousands
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I'll fix the records.
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How do y'all feel about bridges? We're trying to make the Zing portable and it requires a network connection, but only has a wired option.
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(this is so cool)
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Oh actually looks like there's a USB option nevermind 😅
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Nailed it
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It might take me a bit but I'll get there eventually
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WiFi bridges work well enough
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Can @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium or @yashsedai edit event 14962 to this Tuesday jan 7? Daniel forgot to schedule them in time. Still pillar normal 7 to 10pm for the gamers
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done
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Thank you
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Could someone edit the Laser Meeting down from 2-6 to 2-4 in purple? I added a second entry for cleaning day that runs 3-6 at the lasers. No sense tieing up the classroom when we won't be there.
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judy Kriehn 1/7/2020 10:38 AM
Calendar question: There is a checkbox in registrations for text updates. Is there some secret way that an instructor or event leader can tap into that to send reminders to registrants? The only time I’ve ever gotten a text from the system was when a class was cancelled outright.
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A. Spencer(jast) 1/7/2020 10:42 AM
this is wild shot in the dark, but the attendee list shows phone number, that MIGHT be their text receiving phone number...
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Kinda minor, but is the 3D fab camera going to be updated on the cameras page?
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 1/17/2020 6:53 AM
Robert sent a link to AWS for non-profits. Basically $2,000 in service credits for $175 https://www.techsoup.org/products/amazon-web-services-credits-for-nonprofits--G-50197--
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yep
8:48 AM
i got it!
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 1/17/2020 8:56 AM
+1 thanks Freddy
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A. Spencer(jast) 1/17/2020 9:04 AM
woo!
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What's DMS's infrastructure like? Is it all on-prem, cloud, or hybrid cloud?
9:01 PM
😄
9:01 PM
should've checked there first...
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.... and then read "Note as of 2019-12-16: Much of the information on this page appears to be obsolete thus should not be considered a decisive reference until it is updated."
9:03 PM
I'll poke around
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Most all of the core stuff is on AWS
9:04 PM
There's some on prem, especially for the stuff that kind of needs to be, like the file server, jump server, etc
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I mean, technically those could be hosted with a VPN to the space 😝
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/17/2020 10:29 PM
Some stuff can't tolerate an internet outage so well though (edited)
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I imagine latency might also suck for the jump server, but I don't use RDP ever so I'm not sure
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I haven't gotten to test from a really far away location, but something like portal or Skyrim is completely playable when I sit at the makerspace and RDP into my desktop over an openvpn tunnel. It's probably worse with more hops but I dont have too many chances to test that.
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I'm horrified
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It takes a windows client at the moment but I'll bring it up someday.
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Apparently_Weird 1/19/2020 7:50 AM
Gooooood morning infrastructure... when someone with camera access logs in, can you please ping me? Thank you.
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Apparently_Weird 1/19/2020 11:29 AM
Thanks @yashsedai
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Ty!
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lukeiamyourfather 1/19/2020 10:04 PM
a drive in the file server has failed
10:04 PM
files hostname
10:06 PM
correction. 2 drives in the file server have failed. 1 HDD for data and 1 SSD for caching.
10:07 PM
if a 4TB HDD is available then i'm happy to swap it out
10:10 PM
i wouldn't bother replacing the SSD used for caching at this point. brass on the titanic cause that shit is all old
10:12 PM
Device Model: ST4000DM000-1F2168 Serial Number: Z300XQRA
10:16 PM
@yashsedai
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Checking
10:17 PM
Not sure if we have a 4tb
10:17 PM
Either way we can get one
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lukeiamyourfather 1/19/2020 10:20 PM
can be larger than 4TB too
10:21 PM
or if you buy one, let me know. i'm happy to help get it back to normal.
10:21 PM
in general it's time to replace that whole system. the drives are 6 years old and the host is like 10 years old since the original host died and it was kludged back into working
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 1/20/2020 8:59 AM
Can someone prep an estimate of cost and impacts during upgrade? Also wouldn't it be wise to tell people to cleanup their folders? Probably like people's garages which has collected tons of crap.
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6 year old... consumer drives? Wow.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 1/20/2020 9:55 AM
24/7 as well in a closet that occasionally the cooling is not adequate.
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Apparently_Weird 1/20/2020 7:48 PM
Is anyone aware the security system in old lobby is beeping and reads “system trouble”?
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There is a talk post on it
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Apparently_Weird 1/20/2020 7:49 PM
Ok. Just walked in so wasn’t sure
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Landlord has been notified
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Thanks!
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Apparently_Weird 1/20/2020 8:06 PM
All systems normal per old lobby panel now.
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Apparently_Weird 1/22/2020 1:15 PM
Someone messaged our Facebook account for a status update on ticket #909628. Could someone take a look and PM me a response?
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It's been handled
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lukeiamyourfather 1/25/2020 2:27 AM
Replacement drive for file server? 🧐
2:28 AM
@michaelb consumer drives are perfectly acceptable for zfs
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I've just always heard the whole story about consumer drives not being resilient to the vibration of so many drives so close together
2:30 AM
No idea what's good for what specific storage architectures
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lukeiamyourfather 1/25/2020 2:31 AM
Drives no like vibration, true. But drives themselves don't cause any issue
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lukeiamyourfather 1/25/2020 2:41 AM
Unless your drives sound like someone yelling when they run...
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Holy crap that's pretty funny
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 1/25/2020 9:27 AM
Ahhhhhhwhwhwhhwwhh!!
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lukeiamyourfather 1/25/2020 9:27 AM
Lol
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I was reading a white paper on damage caused to hard drives by fire suppression. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8q8dqg/a-loud-sound-just-shut-down-a-banks-data-center-for-10-hours
Dozens of hard drives were knocked down during a fire drill that involved inert gas deployment.
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lukeiamyourfather 1/25/2020 10:11 AM
@yashsedai spare 4TB or larger drive? Or like a 14TB drive to backup the entire pool
10:11 AM
Oh shit, they have 16TB drives now
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lol
10:12 AM
no
10:12 AM
they expensive
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Ok ok
10:12 AM
32 TB
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lukeiamyourfather 1/25/2020 10:12 AM
Sold
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mind recommending one from amazon?
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lukeiamyourfather 1/25/2020 10:15 AM
Buy Seagate BarraCuda 4TB Internal Hard Drive HDD - 3.5 Inch Sata 6 Gb/s 5400 RPM 256MB Cache for Computer Desktop PC - Frustration Free Packaging (ST4000DM004): Electronics - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases
10:16 AM
That's what's in there now
10:16 AM
And it's cheap
10:17 AM
You can pay $20 more so it says NAS... But I don't think it's worth it.
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ordered!
10:44 AM
thank you!
9:48 PM
Machine shop and surrounding areas should have better wifi now
9:48 PM
AP wasn't wired so great
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/28/2020 7:03 AM
We're supposed to be using the B wiring.... Right? I'm not crazy am I?
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lol
7:36 AM
we are using B as far as i can tell
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lukeiamyourfather 1/28/2020 10:04 AM
ETA for that replacement drive?
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its here
10:08 AM
came yesterday
10:09 AM
will bring it down tonight
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lukeiamyourfather 1/29/2020 9:59 AM
I can swap it tonight or tomorrow. Or I can guide someone else to if they want to do it sooner
9:59 AM
Just one line command after physically swapping the drive
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lukeiamyourfather 1/29/2020 9:40 PM
Swapping the drive. The server room is very warm
9:41 PM
Currently 85 with the door open for a while. Was probably 95+ when I came in
9:42 PM
Virtually no airflow from the AC vent pointing into the room
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thanks for letting me know, it was fairly warm earlier
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lukeiamyourfather 1/29/2020 9:45 PM
Want the door left open or closed? @yashsedai
9:45 PM
I'm about to leave
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please close it
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lukeiamyourfather 1/29/2020 9:45 PM
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You mean the bitcoin heaters are not doing there job
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lol no more bitcoin heaters thankfully
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Haha maybe onto something everyone else uses space heaters DMS runs pc’s in rooms to stay warm in the winter
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ferricyanide 1/29/2020 10:06 PM
I had heard the bitcoin heaters existed but was curious when they were finally removed? just curious
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I wouldn't be surprised if the server room had some but I believe the heating function of the laser computers was turned off January of 2018
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Random but just took some drone video of PHX realized I need to reduce the sudden movement but looks overall pretty good
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lukeiamyourfather 1/31/2020 7:01 AM
A completely Sealed Mobile Waterproof PC for harsh environment & marine applications. Dust, rain and splash resistant, Sealed to IP67/NEMA 6 specifications
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 1/31/2020 7:25 AM
Oh man a friend of mine would have been all over that in 2001. He went to great lengths to get a mini-itx working in his car.
7:25 AM
The origiinal VIA motherboards sucked so bad.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/31/2020 11:33 AM
I had forgotten about the friggin Vias. Such a picky x86 processor
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 1/31/2020 12:15 PM
They did not like even moderate temps. They were barely fast enough and then when they got warm, no worky.
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lukeiamyourfather 2/1/2020 11:56 AM
something like that might be useful for the woodshop computer if the zero client thing is causing issues
11:56 AM
i think they went with zero client originally to save money compared to a dustproof/waterproof computer
11:57 AM
or maybe it was a software license thing? i dunno
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 2/1/2020 11:59 AM
After Mitch's rundown videos on talk I would trust his opinion on what makes it better.
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It's not gonna fix the problem
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The issue is our storage of cnc files on the file share
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Like the gcode?
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In his defense, Mitch has seen a tons more multicam setups than we have, if he's got suggestions on how to improve ours it's worth trying.
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Almost like he worked for multicam
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Kentamanos 2/1/2020 5:53 PM
A HUGE amount of flakiness is just the fact it runs in "Startup" on the jump server instead of running as a service.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/1/2020 6:50 PM
last I recall it did not have a proper service, but rather we had to run on startup. Running on a dedicated computer wouldn't solve the issue of the program crashing and needing to be restarted. If it has a proper service then that would be a solution, but otherwise software will invariably crash and if it's not a proper service a local computer just adds more problems than it solves
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So after watching the video Mitch made, I still hold the same conclusion. The issue here is one of training and lots of moving parts. In order for a user to use the multicam, the following things have to occur. The controller has to be on. Big gray box next to the machine Machine tools has to be running on the jump server The machine tools hardware token has to be present. The mapped drive has to be available and mapped. (edited)
7:18 PM
I've heard two issues so far
7:19 PM
One is that you have to unplug the ethernet cable to the multicam in order to get it to actually load up the controller on the pendant. Two is that files are sometime inaccessible from the pendant.
7:20 PM
For issue one, we can fix this with training. with a better understanding around what exactly is ongoing when the controller boots up, we may be able to elimate this issue.
7:21 PM
For issue two, no matter the setup, short of a local machine that has local files, you will always have this issue. Due to our multi user nature, storing files on the file share and our current training. This is the nature of the beast.
7:22 PM
We can change some of this up. If we change training and setup. I'm not opposed to this in any way. It just requires that all who use and teach it are on board.
7:23 PM
Even with a local machine, you will still have issues that already occur. User profile problems, group policy problems, etc. These occur already
7:24 PM
In the next week, I'll be pulling some wireshark logs of the controller network startup activity. This will give me some clue about what goes on during startup and what its looking for but its not getting.
7:25 PM
As well, I'll bring over a pc to test the machine tools setup and write a proposed training change guide.
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I can't speak for Chris but laser uses local machines and local files, even when we don't have to (zing) so I don't think it'd be a big deal to most. At least the desktop issues are typically and dealt with everywhere. Removing the extra complexity from the multicam setup should make it better, even if it's not perfect
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The difference between laser and multicam is the controller
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Eliminating the local files is easier said than done currently.
7:26 PM
Due to how the pendant talks to machine tools which talkss to the file server via a cifs share
7:26 PM
I'm all for removing any complexity
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SewingStuff 2/7/2020 6:36 AM
Talk appears to be down
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 2/7/2020 6:50 AM
Is that a bad thing? it seems to be working now.
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SewingStuff 2/7/2020 6:59 AM
Yeah it’s working now.
7:00 AM
It was crashing every time I tried to check my messages.
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It may have been doing a backup
8:43 AM
Sometimes it gets unresponsive during that
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/7/2020 9:06 AM
is this a new feature of Talk?
9:06 AM
or is it just me/my browser that shows blurry until expanded?
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lol
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/7/2020 9:08 AM
before yesterday or so, it would show "previews" of non-blurry smaller images. Somewhere in/around yesterday, this started happening, and I thought it was the new OS/browser config I started using, but it seems to be on everything...
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My machine was briefly showing blurred previews as I scrolled
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Typically that's what happens as it loads the higher resolution preview. I see it most on cellular data.
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/7/2020 9:53 AM
hm.
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as far as I can tell, this is all that happens for me all the time on a desktop OS that is otherwise not struggling...
9:54 AM
I am familiar with the "fuzzy until full load"...erm..."feature", too. But this is not that
9:54 AM
but it IS my browser...
9:54 AM
wtf
9:54 AM
loads fine in anotehr
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GAR!
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could be it cached a low res version for some reason
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/7/2020 9:55 AM
could be
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forced reload
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now normal
9:55 AM
effin technology...
9:56 AM
I have become accustomed to thinking some...er...genius...has "featured up" the backend, and forget to check the old standbyes like clearing cache or reloading (or rebooting...)
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no changes made
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New member tried to pay today, wasn't taking his chase card. I watched him input the card info, it validated the card
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there are a lot of bugs that exist, until observed by a 3rd party
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Accurate
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Hi y'all. New here, and trying to set up rdp, but facing this issue. Any idea why? I already reset the password, and can login on site, just not remotely.
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good evening
10:27 PM
what is your username?
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PonyLover9766 2/14/2020 10:47 PM
@yashsedai Cat lover
10:49 PM
so confused
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PonyLover9766 2/14/2020 10:49 PM
I'm joking dude
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lol
10:49 PM
i do love my cats so...
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PonyLover9766 2/14/2020 10:49 PM
Neither do I
10:50 PM
I mean......
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lol drugs r bad mmkay
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PonyLover9766 2/14/2020 10:50 PM
mkay, I'm gonna huff paint instead
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Was that server in the common room yours?
10:51 PM
Dell 2u?
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PonyLover9766 2/15/2020 12:09 AM
Yeah Dell PowerEdge R710
12:09 AM
It's next to my bed now
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yes, sleeping next to a jet engine, very peaceful
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lol
12:16 AM
thats insane
12:17 AM
only to be surpassed by similar supermicro boxes
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the pizzaboxes that I have used to warm boxes of pizza
12:31 AM
lol not even joking
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 2/15/2020 9:11 AM
^^^ so true
9:12 AM
knew some one that would leave a 1U gap in the rack for just such a pizza emergency
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Broil + Bake mode
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/15/2020 2:10 PM
7x0s are fairly quiet for servers. 6x0 and 9x0 fuggetabout it
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!members
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dallas-makerspace BOT 2/20/2020 9:00 PM
There are currently 1965 members.
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Are there any C19 to C20 power cables at the space that laser could borrow for the morning?
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SewingStuff 2/29/2020 8:38 AM
!members
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dallas-makerspace BOT 2/29/2020 8:38 AM
There are currently 1957 members.
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Nevermind, epilog rep had a 120v cable in his car, all is well
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Micharlb, where were you when I was begging to get a C19 cable last week? Karma bro, Karma
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Not sure what your point is, we got the cable we needed.
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium, @NobleGoblin would like to help out with the space while not in the metroplex, I thought you'd have the best opportunity for that, stuff like account issues etc
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NobleGoblin 3/4/2020 2:35 PM
I emailed admin! ^_^
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received! We shall see what Jim can find for you.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/4/2020 3:12 PM
Awesome possum. I'm working on a list of things that can be handled accounts wise
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@Robert and I identified some pain points with the smartwaiver integration last night, I'm hoping I'll have some time before Saturday to roll out a code update
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❤️
9:16 AM
you guys rock
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Awesome! That'll make my life easier on Saturday. I was trying to get maker manager and calendar working on my dev machine the other night and found that things seem a bit askew (git library references not existing, tables not in migration). Is that to be expected?
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the migrations should be accurate I thought
12:12 PM
or maybe that was just in calendar
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Calendar was missing the super config table. I had to add it manually (has the honorarium message in it)
12:16 PM
MakerManager (older one?) Has an invalid reference for the cakephp sparkpost plugin, or it's on a private repo
12:17 PM
I got both working, but took me a bit :)
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weird, I'll see if I can reduce the setup friction a bit more
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Just stuff that one finds when trying to setup from scratch (and with no knowledge of how things are). Let me know how I can help
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Original intended title was, of course, “Badger Badger Badger Badger”. Seriously - micromanaging post titles is getting out of hand. Turn that function off please.
12:22 PM
12:23 PM
🤷‍♂️ seems to be an actual thing
12:23 PM
Assuming this is a bit of Discourse automation
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It's a discourse thing
12:39 PM
I'm happy he couldn't use that inane title on his stupid post.
12:40 PM
If it's not obvious, he pisses me off, especially when he calls out the moderators for things we didn't do.
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@yashsedai @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I've got better logging temporarily setup for smartwaiver
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so any time it fails to find a waiver it logs it
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to logs/error.log
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Ty!
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I've also got a test in place so I can run any existing user through the smartwaiver lookup code and see where/why it fails
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how does this work?
5:59 PM
lol how do i do it?
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I'll PM you
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Awesome, thanks! Was a bit frustrating today with some folks.
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Smartwaiver's API sucks
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So I'm asking and not having a way to help. But can we get a fix for the usernames only being lowercase letters? It seems to be an issue
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Whmcs could possibly be modified to force it lowercase regardless of what they type in
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That'll still confused people
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There's no way to fix the systems that need it lowercase to accept anything else
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/9/2020 7:48 PM
May I ask, which systems require lowercase?
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The wiki is the main one
7:54 PM
It's some quirk of the auth plugin we use
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It might be fixable but I don't have the time
7:56 PM
There may have been an AD issue as well? I'm not a Windows guy though
7:58 PM
The wiki needs a lot of maintenance done, it's been years since I did any upgrades and I think no one else has touched it since then
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/9/2020 8:29 PM
Hm... ok. Thank you!
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the wiki also kinda sorta needs a cleansing fire to sweep through the pages (edited)
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I've started trying to update some things, but it's pretty daunting
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somebody also keeps forgetting a helpful suggestion re: the front page
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 3/10/2020 10:48 AM
you talking to me? you talking to me?
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no, front page of the wiki
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ducks
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all on me
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got to confess I'm at a loss as to why it's critical to unify DMS sites with common nav/look/feel (edited)
11:50 AM
is this being driven by mobile-only users?
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Good question. I use talk like an app on my phone anyway, so a link back wouldn't make sense in that context. Some people just like to complain about having to take a manual step.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 3/11/2020 12:18 PM
right click, open in new tab. On mobile, good luck.
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I don't think people understand that the sites they want unified are all run by different systems
12:20 PM
Wiki/discourse/whatever garbage the website it
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https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/no-way-out-of-talk-dallasmakerspace/69712/15 hey guys - all you need to do is break out notepad and edit the HTML
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 3/11/2020 12:24 PM
Click on the left half of the icon it will take you to the DMS main site, right half takes to the start of TALK. Fucking genius!
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I am reminded of how the old old version of Alcatel AMS (a network element management system) works : the Network button is bifurcated
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Guys she's an HTML specialist. We should do what she says
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https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/no-way-out-of-talk-dallasmakerspace/69712/16 hey now - she could be a religious monotasker that can't handle the thought of separate tabs and windows
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Things have changed in 20 years. 😂
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I remember a former co-worker getting spitting mad when some web-app system we used developed in-app tabs - thought they were going to have an aneurysm, such was their hatred of tabs
12:31 PM
myself I dislike window stacking on the winders taskbar but have long come to terms with it
12:35 PM
but there's a demo that fullscreens everything all the time and goes through linear routines... meanwhile at work I've got 3 displays, a couple RDP sessions open, multiple EMSs, spreadsheets, SFTP client connected to 9 sites, 2 IM apps, email, terminal, and perhaps 50 browser tabs across two separate browsers (because IE is still a thing in the corporate world)
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Only 50 tabs, amateur ;)
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yes. only.
12:36 PM
work hasn't fully migrated to web apps, the great maker be praised
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The key to mobile is multiple browser apps. 200 open in Safari and 99 in Chrome. 😀
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/11/2020 12:43 PM
ya'll be nice now. At least a solution was offered... How are we liking Jim's addition?
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Thanks I hate it, lol
12:44 PM
But I don't care either way
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/11/2020 12:44 PM
I suspect with time (an hour or so) I'll learn to like it. It's easy enough to ignore.
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And if I don't get used to it I can userscript it out of existence :)
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that's just letting the terrorists win
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/11/2020 12:49 PM
no the terrorist winning would be if I made a mobile one, or made the DMS logo link to dallasmakerspace dot org
12:49 PM
this is an olive branch
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but at least it's only at the top whenever the view is scrolled all the way up
12:50 PM
and looks like desktop only, so OK, olive branch
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Yep, agreed :). Awful nice of you
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/11/2020 12:51 PM
what's hard about right click open in new window on mobile? do it with a fair bit of frequency... 🤷‍♂️
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 3/11/2020 12:51 PM
Haaa but you still don't link to the main WP site. You sneaky.
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the WP site is just a really fancy business card / yellowpages listing
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I took the mrs home. Wont be back tonight but maybe monday. I'll see if @Patrickpleez1 can wrangle some folks for the chair moves
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@doug.emes The chairs going to pillar are the ones next to the shapeoko in the warehouse?
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Yes sir (edited)
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@Skyspook thanks
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No problem. All of them?
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Moved 22 in. Figured that made sense with 20 computers in there
3:00 PM
It wont be 20 pc afterwards but thank you very much
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Still need to move the other chairs out. We can play musical chairs soon :)
9:41 PM
whats this about?
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Just saw that too
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We broke it
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To many people watching Drunk Silva type
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SewingStuff 3/15/2020 9:42 PM
Working fine for me now.
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Yep same
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Yea, it's just a protection for the server, so it can still serve stuff up. Usually not a problem, don't have a billion people refreshing pages.
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lol
12:37 AM
im gonna check the stats
12:38 AM
i'd bet it was redis as the limiter
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Was watching WestWorld that reader looks familiar
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lol
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john a gorman 3/21/2020 5:54 PM
@aceat64 that not counting rejected attendees is a big thing. Does it also include their cancellations?
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it was already counting cancelations
5:55 PM
this was just on the "index" (the main list of classes)
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john a gorman 3/21/2020 5:56 PM
Without looking at it directly, this is for classes with a fixed number of students & requiring approval?
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I think this is for any class where an attendee can be rejected
5:56 PM
I haven't dug into the code much tbh
5:56 PM
it's a mess in there
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john a gorman 3/21/2020 5:58 PM
There is a problem in the system when an instructor sets a number of students and approval is required. When students cancel or are rejected, they still count to the total number of students registered.
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I fixed that one already (edited)
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john a gorman 3/21/2020 5:59 PM
Excellent. Thank you Andrew
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This fixes a bug where rejected attendees still counted towards the number of filled seats for an event/class.
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the way seats are calculated is done differently in different parts of the code, for no apparent reason
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john a gorman 3/21/2020 6:00 PM
Can you remove the multi part class feature?
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anything that uses the methods of the table will be correct though
6:00 PM
I'm only doing small bugfixes, don't have a lot of time to devote to this code base
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john a gorman 3/21/2020 6:01 PM
Just hide it as an option
6:01 PM
When you can
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Why should it be removed? Doesn't work?
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john a gorman 3/21/2020 6:02 PM
Teachers get into trouble all the time when they use it. Several reasons.
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I believe it's on github
6:02 PM
Do a pull
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john a gorman 3/21/2020 6:03 PM
1. No changes to future sessions allowed. 2. No changes to student rosters 3. Honouraium only looks at the first session 4. It sucks
6:04 PM
Calendar admins couldn't fix it either.
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I am considering a proposal at work due to COVID-19 for a citrix gateway
4:00 PM
so my training center can be complicit with our IT stuff, versus a crap down of individual Teamviewers, anydesks etc
4:01 PM
any info or the opportunity to bounce around this concept, could also be in line for us using certain DMS resources in a similar fashio
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via a SSO
4:01 PM
if when you have time thanks
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/25/2020 4:12 PM
looking to use a Citrix gateway to replace the user desktops? Guessing you don't have company issued laptops or similar?
4:12 PM
but how would this play into DMS?
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citrix is not the answer
4:21 PM
horizon maybe
4:21 PM
but this is not simple
4:21 PM
licensing cost, hardware cost, etc
4:22 PM
what does dms need citrix/vdi for?
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to not break our licensing of certain apps, if we could restrict access to some machines...
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if this turns out to be well into april past paril
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no no we have company laptops
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but we also have equipment that the learners "hook up to" with laptops
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but if they aren't onsite...
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i want to do it "proper" and not just hackaway with a secret plethora of teamviewer.vnc/anydesk/insert whatever else you want for "RDP"
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right now we have a pc running VMware with 4 instances
4:40 PM
each of the virtuals has dedicated USB->eth and USB->rs232
4:41 PM
the host PC has a usb 8 port hub with 8 adapters
4:41 PM
talking about my work instance
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/25/2020 4:47 PM
if it's already vmware they need to get to, horizon/vmware workstation remote server tie ins with a VPN would be best. I'm still not seeing a use case for Citrix as having to deal with work from home, as you could RDP to the existing machines over VPN. Is there a particular reason this is not acceptable?
4:48 PM
I mean Citrix is nice and all, but a 2-3 month Work from Home for what sounds like a subset of users likely don't justify the deployment unless it was already a long term goal
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Thanks... I have 2 sets of trainees. Full time employees, who would have o365/teams/SSO.
5:11 PM
And associates who might be 2 to 3 different kinds of contractors who probably don't have federated ids
5:11 PM
I have to train both
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Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/makermanager4 development by creating an account on GitHub.
8:15 PM
I think this is the codebase for that version of Maker Manager in the conspiracy theory thread
8:15 PM
last touched Jun 8th, 2018 lol
8:16 PM
oh, there's one branch (called clone-clone-clone???) that's from Jan 10th, 2019
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I got that error too, but figured enough to check my AD groups in the other maker manager. The voting rights site has just a few issues :)
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clone could have been @LukeStrickland working on it? he has clones
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Yeah it's his branch, just not sure what it's for lol
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Just run it as root
10:37 PM
What could possibly not go over awesome
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LukeStrickland 3/27/2020 5:15 AM
I think I have code on my old laptop that fixes that bug lol
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LukeStrickland 3/27/2020 5:26 AM
clone-clone-clone just fixes badge assignment
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 3/27/2020 9:29 AM
He is a clone, just look at his avatar. Classic Clone Look or CCL. (edited)
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/27/2020 1:55 PM
wait the voting rights system does badge assignment? (scurries to look)
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soooo
1:55 PM
this is my first time logging into it since I got MM admin
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and it has that too
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is there a reason this wasn't just our MM and it be a one-stop shop? Reason we have two different branches?
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Badge assignment doesnt actually work in mm4
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Not at least any of the times I've tried
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/27/2020 1:59 PM
ah
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/27/2020 3:25 PM
Luke Strickland is probably your best bet for info on that. He implemented the Voter Reg thing, "borrowing it" from the MM4 update effort, I do believe.... I think that was the ONLY thing that ever actually worked from that effort. And then (nearly, if not in fact) everyone working on it...moved on
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LukeStrickland 3/28/2020 4:53 AM
It works in one of the branches
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The "Voting Rights System" is actually maker manager 4
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I never actually got to finish MM4 before moving away :(, it was designed around fixing the constant update problems between WHMCS <=> AD <=> SmartWaiver
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LukeStrickland 3/28/2020 5:03 AM
If I remember correctly, there's two checkouts of mm4, one is votingrights (locked down via prod edits), and https://makermanager.dallasmakerspace.org/login
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Final note is mm4 can also send out Lob.com physical mailings for voting time, AND monitor the status of the sent letters!
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Contribute to Dallas-Makerspace/makermanager4 development by creating an account on GitHub.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/28/2020 1:04 PM
Now that's nifty
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium does DMS want the Dallas.ms domain? It should 59.99 a year
10:01 PM
Be
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john a gorman 4/19/2020 10:02 PM
@Robert it's a great short cut. Get to keep for when we start growing again.
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I agree but can’t approve spending
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/19/2020 10:08 PM
@Apparently_Weird @quattroquattro thoughts?
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Apparently_Weird 4/19/2020 10:12 PM
I agree it’s a great idea
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/19/2020 10:32 PM
@yashsedai we just do everything through Amazon for domains?
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This one is on my GoDaddy it is not supported to goto Amazon
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/19/2020 10:36 PM
looks like google domains doesn't support them either
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Ya I wish....
10:36 PM
GoDaddy is horrible
10:36 PM
It’s the only one on that account
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john a gorman 4/20/2020 12:00 AM
Robert's been maintaining it for like 5 years. Thank you @Robert
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What's this about?
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1337h4x
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hopefully they made the app better than the dumpster fire of an excuse that they had previously
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it just makes it look like an app
12:25 AM
basically when you open the "app" it's an instance of chrome without the search/url bar
12:25 AM
it's not even an app, it's literally a fancy bookmark
12:26 AM
that's not a bad thing of course, but I don't care about Talk enough to have a direct link to it on my phone's home screen
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So the new 'principal engineer' called me over today. Said he had installed a server on our file server, and it worked great, but any time he turned off his laptop it stopped. Allegedly our IT guy didn't know what was going on. Turns out he's got this ticket tracker web app-thing, loaded all the files on our file server and from his laptop, ran the batch script they include to install and launch it. Took more convincing than I was comfortable with to tell him that he didn't manage to run anything on the file server and it was, in fact, running from his laptop. I'm now afraid of anything he touches.
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A. Spencer(jast) 5/6/2020 6:47 AM
heh. that made me giggle...
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 5/6/2020 8:33 AM
Keep a close eye on your new engineer.
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A. Spencer(jast) 5/6/2020 8:37 AM
curious what he engineers... (I'm assuming your company has precious little use for a locomotive driver...)
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Used to do medium voltage motor drives. 4.6-13.8kV, 1500-40000HP.
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Damn that is medium?
9:21 AM
What is considered high
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Power transmission, anything higher than 13.8 for the most part.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 5/6/2020 10:38 AM
Used to know a guy in a Tesla Coil builders group. They used pole pigs wired backwards to get 14.4kv output to drive their coils. They had a homemade variable inductor to limit current pulled from their homes breaker box. After seeing that in person, big nope!
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That's just good old fashioned fun.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 5/6/2020 10:41 AM
It was until they burned a fuseable link in their houses power drop. Utilities came out and said it would be $400 to repair and they were at least a week or more out.
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D'oh
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Whoops. That's why I always used someone else's power ;)
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Luckily our explosions are limited to 1000V in the lab.
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A. Spencer(jast) 5/13/2020 1:08 PM
@yashsedai @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium would you guys be best able to respond to LIam's inquiry about RFID interlocks @ DMS? https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/interest-in-your-rfid-system-from-vic-makerspace/71200
Hey there Dallas Makerspace! I’m Liam, a member of the Victoria Makerspace up in BC, Canada. I am one of the members in charge of planning/designing/building an RFID Tool interlock system for our space. I am still very early days on the project and mostly reviewing available...
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Anyone speak server beeps? My HP DL380 G6 has recently started doing these double beeps every so often. Now it's doing 4x groups of double beeps. Can't find anything in the system log (it's running pfsense just fine) and nothing in the out of band interface log either. I was poking around tonight and had a hard drive fail, which seemed to be timed perfectly with the system resetting out of the blue. But I've had drives crash in the past and it kept on going. (edited)
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The external self diagnoses says it’s good?
10:11 PM
Usually a pull out
10:11 PM
With LED’s
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It was all green until the drive failure. Beeps were happening for a few days with a green light.
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Do you have a keyboard installed?
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Yeah I plugged in a monitor and keyboard but none of the logs I know of showed anything
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Could reboot into self diagnostic mode
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Oh I didn't think of that.. good point
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Could be a raid failure
10:15 PM
Not super sure but the hard drive is Suspicious but who knows
10:16 PM
Either way diagnostic mode should tell you what’s up
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Lol that's what confused me, it's not a post beep, it's beeping while in an OS (pfsense) and running.
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I maintain raid failure
10:19 PM
Check the raid card
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Could be a raid battery. I've had issues with it in the past. I'm about to take it down and see what more I can find with a monitor.
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Seems to be related to the hard drive. The raid controller reports the battery is ok but throws a warning about 'immenient failure on bay 8'. According to Reddit the backplane in these has a small beeper which would explain why it's quieter than the system post beeps I'm used to hearing. Either way, unplugging the hard drive stopped the beeps instantly, so I'll grab a few more spare drives and hope it clears up.
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10:33 PM
This is what I get for using a 10 year old ex-file server as my router. 3rd hard drive failure so far.
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Not sure it would survive but some of the small distros you can run entirely in memory works great until you reboot
1:22 AM
It could start a fire
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What would I need to do to have one of the computers assigned to a dedicated, mobile streaming cart? Working on the proposal for the entire setup, but want to do it properly if I'm going to assume the inclusion of one of the systems we already oen
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Physical security so it doesn't suffer the same fate as the open cast gear did?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/2/2020 2:17 AM
we've had proposals in the past, the problem usually comes down to balancing complexity to use, cost, and mobility. Personally, I think we're at a point we should say fuck it and buy the Google Meet hardware since it is user friendly and has support. However, that comes with a price tag. If you can get the hardware approved for a general stream cart (since infra doesn't have budget for it) we're more than happy to get it domain joined and loaded. (edited)
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I had to clean out all browser data the other day due to a malfunctioning site that was caching something somewhere, and that process kicked me out of Talk. Previously I was logging in via Google (I assume OAuth?), and everything I've Google'd on this matter makes it seem like NTP isn't running where we host Talk, but Freddy attempted to look a the time on the computer hosting Talk and thought it looked kosher.
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I was thinking (welcome to hear other ideas) that the cart would live in the supply closet off of the common room.
12:59 PM
Anyone can badge in there, but there's a record of time and badge when that happens, along with camera coverage
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Cart would've set up with a shadow board style storage system, so if something isn't put back, it's immediately evident something is missing
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As far as costs, I'm going with stuff I personally have used/purchased and therefore are on the cheaper side of useable hardware.
1:02 PM
I'm sure there will be screams of horror from gear snobs that I'm suggesting the use of "crap"
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/3/2020 1:03 PM
@Kentamanos the Google auth is just plain wonky, partly since the original tokens either expired or got de-linked so when I tried to fix it last I found it bugged; It's been low on the todo list. I recommend resetting the password for the account and logging in with the normal password mode for the time being.
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Kentamanos 7/3/2020 1:04 PM
To be clear, resetting the password on the Google account?
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For example, Neweer LED lights, Amazon basics lightweight tripods etc
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Kentamanos 7/3/2020 1:05 PM
Actually I think you're saying ditch Google login, I'll see if I can make that happen.
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@Kentamanos Just in talk. Click Log-in with email, then click forgot password.
1:05 PM
Exactly
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@Hardsuit - I'd only insist on audio hardware that can catch clear, distributed audio. At the very least the presenter. Fuzzy video or graphics can be excused, but audio tends to make or break recordings. Especially if one of our goals is to make these reusable.
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That's one area I can probably use advice on
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I've used and been happy with a Samson Go, the entry level Monoprice USB condenser mic, and the mic on my gaming headset
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It'll probably take some discussion, and advice from people who know the space a bit better than I do. I mostly do at-desk recordings, so lavalier and arm-stand mics. I know there's some good stuff for rooms and presenter capture that shouldn't be too onerous.
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I've seen some slick distributed-mic systems for capturing conference room calls, for instance
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I am leaning towards the Monoprice mic on a boom arm to start
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Kentamanos 7/3/2020 1:10 PM
cool, dumped Google and was able to login etc., thanks guys
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Awesome, welcome back to the party!
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Wireless leave, and distributed mics are a step or two up
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Err, lav
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Yep. I think for single-person capture an arm-mic should be fine.
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I'm doing very beginner basic setup here
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Can add on as we go, but just want a good enough setup, not a min/maxed cover all the bases set
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Exactly - I think there are two main use cases - single-person capture for class (or other video) creation, and committee meeting / interactive class capture.
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Enjoy big sound from this very small USB Large Condenser Mic with Stand from Stage Right™ by Monoprice. This USB mic is a very easy way to capture high-quality vocals for desktops, laptops, and
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That mic
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Our Suspension Boom Stand is made of steel and provides a sturdy platform to hold microphones in place for the duration of a recording session. The arm is strong enough to support 2 pounds of weight a
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On that arm
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Looks like a decent cardioid. I'd be curious how much of this we might actually already have 🙂
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And yep, I have that arm myself, lol
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I know DM might have some of this already
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But I want the cart fully "owned" by Education
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Everything is purchased for the cart, and it stays we with the cart
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I think we make a cart like this, and maybe get one of the google meet systems for committee meetings. That should cover most of our needs (of the ones I know of).
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One of the reasons Im trying to keep the pricing and complexity down
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Think I have 6 lightweight tripods, 3 articulated clamps, 4 led lights, 2 cameras, and green screen backdrop & stand
1:21 PM
And looks like there's a generic Elgato camlink dongle for $20ish that is quite capable up to it's limit of 1080p60
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Awesome, want to make up a list of everything? I can help write up the use-case for it. Even keeping everything cheaper we'll probably still need board approval.
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That's what I'm working on this weekend
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Sweet
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Been jotting down a list at work for the past week or two, just have to compile it together with links and prices
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Can ballpark the cost on the cart itself, but can't do full out design until have all the bits in hand for measurements
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I think ballpark would be acceptable. Just price out what you think the most expensive is and we can ask for an amount "up to"
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Plus got NO idea if we can actually source two 920c cameras, they're still rare as hens teeth right now
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We got luck and grabbed ours last year before all this insanity started
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Everyone wants to work from home now, yea. I was lucky I already had one as well.
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That's also why I want DroidCam on the computer, I can teach how to use your phones camera as a source
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I actually haven't done that before. Sounds neat
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i think mine are 920 or 922, ill doublecheck
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I used the Droidcam setup with my Pixel3 for the second mask stream, worked great
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Kentamanos 7/3/2020 2:20 PM
@Hardsuit what software do you want to use on the PC for DroidCam? I've used it in OBS but never any specialized software just for it, so just curious.
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Just need Droidcam server with the HD option
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Was just looking, if someone wants HD they'd just have to pay for that for the app? That's not too bad
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Kentamanos 7/3/2020 2:34 PM
You should definitely put a warning that nobody should try to use DroidCam without having their phone connected to a charger and possibly well ventilated 🙂
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Even Pokemon Go seemed gentler to batteries 😆
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I don't recall paying for HD
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HD is just an option checkbox on the PC sided server software
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And I'd want both OBS and Streamlabs
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Mainly because Streamlabs has a free decent macro switching app, and every other one I tried for OBS sucked
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And thats cheaper than buying a Streamdeck
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judy Kriehn 7/3/2020 5:32 PM
Just asking - does your masterplan include some form of microphones? Board meetings are a struggle for me, because I depend heavily on lip-reading as well as what I can hear. If a speaker has a high-pitched voice, or a voice that doesn't carry, or the don't move their lips, I'm dead in the water. Adding face masks to the equation makes it an exercise in futility. I was pleasantly surprised by the efficacy of the captioning in google when I turned it on during the meet-the-candidates soiree. But if I'm at a meeting in person, I'd rather be making eye contact than reading the meeting - if that's even an option.
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That's what I'd like to use the Google meet hardware for. Looks like we can get remote mics for it, and should improve meetings like that. Though I'm not sure if it'd play well with something like an amplifier
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The Google meet format worked well for us. Thanks for trying it!
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I'm designing mainly for class streaming, as I don't know the tech hardware needs for multiple audio
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It should be capable of that though
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Would just need someone else to head up that option
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@Hardsuit @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium - Took a first stab at a proposal writeup for a class-stream cart and either a mobile or fixed conference setup. It's just in google docs so let me know if you want access and I can share it out.
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+1 access please for me
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I have 2 lavaliers I can donate that have REDONK long cords
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/4/2020 8:50 PM
Sure
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Awesome. I don't think @Hardsuit has finished up the first go at the hardware list for the streaming cart, but that may be a good addition.
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If you use your DMS email, should be able to get to this document directly - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ywJNv5L4CVhJcXjOyDyn5LbH4MLmPZbsAdnkbVIbwwg/edit?usp=sharing
Create a new document and edit with others at the same time -- from your computer, phone or tablet. Get stuff done with or without an internet connection. Use Docs to edit Word files. Free from Google.
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If you want another email, just let me know
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I have 2 Logitech C615s as well, that have clamp / threaded camera holes (edited)
8:55 PM
they are 30fps not 60, but for 2nd / broll, they are suprisingly good
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I'd give up 60 for the price of free
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yeah use these, prove it works, then we can move to the 60fps or a 4k one
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Not sure we need 4k for the streaming cart. Not sure our poor wifi could take it. 🙂
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technically the LUMIX can do 4k very well, but its not a dedicated teaching resource
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I would also be willing to LOAN my streamdeck 15 button
9:02 PM
to help prove the usefulness of a button panel that has definable buttons as icongraphy colors etc
9:03 PM
gonna hop on Neverwinter Online to play a bunch, but Ill keep discord open on the side
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Can we get a 'Fusion Users' (or something to that effect) AD group, to track who's been trained? Still good with the single laser teachers group, it sounds like everyone's interested in teaching all of them.
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sure
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/5/2020 11:09 PM
sure thing
11:09 PM
damnit beat me to it
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fail
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/5/2020 11:09 PM
seppuku time. I have brought shame on my family, my land, and my cow
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Poor cow
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Laser fusion basics is the group name
11:12 PM
Members of the Laser teachers group can add/remove
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11:12 PM
let me know if that is ok or needs to change
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/5/2020 11:13 PM
Thanks Freddy
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I'm going to add it as an item on the calendar as well
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/5/2020 11:15 PM
it's added as a tool and a requisite AD mapping on the calendar (meaning teachers will be able to have the AD checkoff like usual)
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Got this response regarding the Fusion software. Y'all got any magic solutions?
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ugh
12:09 PM
did it come on a disk or is it a download?
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download
12:10 PM
and that was exactly my reaction.
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Go back to old school with deep freeze
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deep freeze isn't the answer either
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The only thing I've got is that the computer gets isolated with only a single local account. Which sucks quite a bit.
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Could also do virtual apps but it’s effectively the same thing
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/6/2020 12:26 PM
can do what we did with the Dynatorch
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we used the RunAs tool to have each domain user execute the program as a local user, but not give every member some shared password that ends up needing to be changed etc
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we did this because the dynatorch software is in the same boat using current user registry keys etc rather than local machine
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I would say that, have it installed when a user logs in, or have it in a shared local vm. Each one has its own pros and cons
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/6/2020 12:28 PM
it was pretty easy to setup.
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Awesome. I assume there's not a local user already set up on that computer?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/6/2020 12:33 PM
there's a local administrator for emergency purposes, but that needs to stay separate. We can setup a local account for the purpose.
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ah software companies and their rent-seeking overly complex licensing schemes
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sounds like the multicam host software problem but I'm not touching that with a 10 ft pole
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/6/2020 10:34 PM
the multicam one is a bit of the opposite
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it doesn't have a service mode so every user has a copy secretly in the background
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in this case it doesn't like different users at all
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Yep. It's always watching.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/6/2020 10:35 PM
it's an easy and super reliable workaround... unlike the multicam one
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the "Startup Folder" is never a good plan...hehe
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the multcam machine tools doesn't like different users either but we don't have a solution that's kosher. I digress
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Did we ever figure out the thinlinx stuff, or should I try making a pi image that will boot to an rdp client?
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i found some stuff in stans email
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i sent them an email
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haven't heard back
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Laser solution was a local account. Runas got the software to launch but something about it's print driver behavior wasn't working. User A trying to print to a service running as User B failed
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Boo
10:05 PM
I'll play with it after we go over things tomorrow. Maybe I can force it to do something
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Welcome to try, it's certainly not a great solution at the moment
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/7/2020 10:17 PM
The local account isn't privileged, it's a known endpoint, and otherwise gets domain policies sonim not too worried
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judy Kriehn 7/7/2020 10:18 PM
I'll play with it after we go over things tomorrow. Maybe I can force it to do something
@Skyspook
10:19 PM
maybe if you post a video on youtube telling fairy tales about it, it would respond.
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lmao. Never known that to work terribly well 🙂
10:20 PM
And that's a fair point @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium , I just know folks are going to want to get to their member drives and such, and that'll make it easier if we can do the runas.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/7/2020 10:25 PM
Yeah, you can just open explorer and enter \files There no Auth on the share (I know)
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I made some assumptions 🙂
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I have another rpi image created that will do jump server logins. Open source stuff. I'll see if I can get the multicam to work with it tomorrow.
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themitch22 7/8/2020 1:59 PM
@Skyspook we already have a rpi rdp client for the jump server by the multicam
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Yep, but it's not working, needs a new license to be installed after I replaced the SD card (cause it's proprietary software) and @yashsedai said they haven't answered our emails.
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Unless it started working after I left last week?
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I got a reply back
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Oh!
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Was it good?
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Is there a secret server or something for the ipads and square? Looks like os updates hit and I havent found one that's currently in good order
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lol
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nope
5:34 PM
thats part of it
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:(
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finally saw the door pulls last weekend and damn are those things stout
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Yeah those are awesome
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Pretty sure the door will break before they will
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/9/2020 9:54 AM
I concur with @Skyspook 's analysis
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Don’t worry it’s Dms someone will find away to break one
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Crap, forgot that could be construed as a challenge
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/9/2020 10:13 AM
I still believe the door will break before they will
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by the sheer fact we have shitty doors
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The am trying to use a IRS Application and they require a username that is between 8-10 characters....
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What a terrible constraint
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This is surprising?
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More annoying as I had an account but it’s to long now
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Ah yes. Rather annoying then
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Only thing that'd be worse would be the same for a password constraint
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Password is 8-32
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clearly nobody has implemented hashing in the COBOL libraries they're using? hehe
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/9/2020 10:55 AM
(he asks, already knowing the answer...) has anyone asked that Luke Strickland fellow about the voting rights web site code/inner workings? I hear he's not completely off-the-grid and sometimes amenable to inquiry...
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/9/2020 10:59 AM
I mean the code is on github... except the site is running two different versions, on different web ports, and no one has a login
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and we don't even know if the code on the site is the one from the github
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etc
10:59 AM
honestly it just needs to go
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I'm open to exploring either the code or another manager. Did you have something in mind?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/9/2020 11:05 AM
just that people should use accounts@
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there's several people that can handle things on it, has a paper trail the entire process, and we have to check in there anyway to see if someone is actually eligible
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/9/2020 11:15 AM
it'd be dandy to make it "inquiry only", in my opinion. That bit is handy dandy. (well, it all is handy dandy, but I can see not wanting to maintain the 'add' functionality if you think accounts@ can git'rdun)
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also, for someone with Jim's skillset, breaking into admin shouldn't be difficult 😉
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if we're not resetting rights any more after elections, this is probably "manageable" 🙂
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for context @Skyspook , member meetings could never make "quorum" and the thought process was "everyone just asks for voting rights before BOD election, let's just reset them after elections so that quorum might again be reached some day"
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Yep, I've heard. I was asked very nicely to not register unless I was really gonna vote
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caused more problems than it was worth and most people don't give a crap about member meetings anyway. There's also a lot of debate on what is allowed in them etc.
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seemed like a good idea at the time...hehe
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it legitimately had good intentions too, even though some people paint it nefariously
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You can do that with most things :)
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/9/2020 11:30 AM
it still seems like a good idea some days...
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slinkygn (George) 7/9/2020 9:17 PM
Is the server the current code sits on not available/accessible?
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I mean, I would imagine that if it were, figuring out if the code on github matches would take all of one diff...
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and that's if it's not being served straight off a git repo on the server itself -- if it is, that's just cut 10mins down to 2
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/9/2020 9:21 PM
No one knows who set it up, we don't have the info for it. I don't have a login that works as far as I'm aware. It's not using our SSO
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slinkygn (George) 7/9/2020 9:21 PM
Physical access, then?
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That'd certainly more than do it
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I mean, we could probably track down where it is, etc. But then how much time should we spend on a 2 year old abandoned codebase? Definitely need something better for voting access, and that's on the list to deal with after the new board is in place.
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Messing with it during elections isn't the best idea
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i have access and know which server it is
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Yay, so we know what to either go all hacker on or chuck into the bin?
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slinkygn (George) 7/9/2020 9:23 PM
I guess you mean MM4?
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(as far as 2yo/abandoned?)
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From the repo I found, ya
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mm4 is a lost cause
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slinkygn (George) 7/9/2020 9:24 PM
yeah, all recent work has been on MM3
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tbh I didn't even know MM4 existed back when I was working on this stuff -- which it apparently clearly did, despite the fact that we were doing voting rights another way entirely
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I'm happy to take others' word for it that it's a lost cause; I don't want to have to dig through another sloppy codebase 🙂
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Maybe chuck it, make a site that just shows if someone a) is eligible and b) has rights, and a link to the admin email?
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slinkygn (George) 7/9/2020 9:27 PM
...okay, you're about to make me flip my argument 🙂 building out MM4 seems like little return for a lot of investment, but if we're going to replace "tool we use only for voting" with "other tool we use only for voting" that seems like a waste of effort too
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if the "temporary" fix is going to be a dedicated voting-rights site, we can just call our current rose any other name
9:28 PM
...no matter how it smells 🙂
9:30 PM
I mean, opinion given worth roughly what you paid for it 🙂 I was just digging through the github code a bit today to see if anything had changed and figured I'd poke my head in. Y'all have been working on it recently, I haven't. I'm guessing I'm just quarantine-bored and chatty. Apologies for the unsolicited advice. 🙂
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Not at all, I like chatting about it as long as I'm not going in circles... makes me dizzy
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I'm not sure what the answer is, but we need to get a handle on it so folks have trust in it at the very least
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Even if it's just showing their AD groups in MM3 or something.
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium - Rando question. Does our google stuff give us anything relating the youtube? I know plenty of people trying to get their heads around some recordings and wasn't sure if we had something there that would help.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/9/2020 9:48 PM
it has an organisational channel
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but that's about it
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oh and I think we have reduced requirements for youtube live, but it still needs a number of subscribers
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That's still good to know.
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If DMS needs another outdoor camera the P3807 this reserve is 700 and would probably win
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Axis camera P3807-plve. Shipped with USPS Priority Mail. 4320x1920 resolution with multi sensor technology for a 180 degree panoramic view  Outdoor ready, fully waterproof, drop resistant,
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/10/2020 6:31 AM
as an outside observer, I'm confused that we 'don't know who set it up'. I have the impression all MM4 & Voting Rights Site work was performed by Luke Strickland. Who is generally available and amenable (not necessarily to "help out", per se, but things like "how's that set up?" and/or "do you have a log in?" would probably be, and may have already been, responded to). But again, as an outside observer, my observations could be completely wrong...
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Random camera knowledge did y’all see HikVision cameras were banned from all DOD and Govt. Contractrors
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HikVision has been on .gov sh_tlists for a couple years now
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Would the checkbox inside the crappy circle have anything to do with why I can't add people to the Laser Teachers AD group?
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Looks like it
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Try now
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All good now
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Thanks
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/11/2020 8:06 PM
Lawl sorry, must have missed it when setting that up
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FAIL
9:32 PM
-50 DKP
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@LukeStrickland wrote MakerManager 4 and the voting rights website. I believe it is on the accounts server
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@slinkygn (George)
6:03 PM
The HTTPS site is different code than the HTTP site ..
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I'm not certain why someone did that but they are indeed different
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The http site said I had voting rights, when I didn't. I had to go to the https to get voting rights
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The HTTPS site also allows you to view what AD groups you are part of .. the HTTP site does not
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slinkygn (George) 7/12/2020 7:07 PM
Are they hosted in different places? That seems like it'd be a simple enough problem to fix.
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Same domain name votingrights.dallasmakerspace.org (edited)
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Yeah I would like to see the source code for the http site
7:33 PM
The https sites code is on GitHub under maker manager 4
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If there is a bug on the http site that keeps people from registering then it might be best to remove that one
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slinkygn (George) 7/13/2020 2:52 AM
well, since I'm back poking my head around again let me know if you guys need a hand.
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LukeStrickland 7/13/2020 3:41 AM
The sites should be one in the same?
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I think I store voting rights in local cache for some performance reason
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@LukeStrickland Well.. they display differently. different titles ... have different messages ...
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/13/2020 1:21 PM
wiki login seems broken...
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anyone else experiencing this, or just me?
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Same here
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I thought it syncd, but maybe something broke
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/13/2020 1:25 PM
@aceat64 was the lucky S.O.B. who splinted that widgit last time it was acting up, and might have some insight now, if he as a minute or 2... (edited)
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I can probably take a look after work (edited)
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I can't keep up with your name changes :)
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I can't fit all my titles due to discord limitations
1:28 PM
so I rotate them out
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Fair enough!
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/13/2020 1:30 PM
🤣 I've done the whole issue/request thing, for book keeping (and to annoy people who are on that notifications list)
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Gracias
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Duke of Shale, Lord of The Northlands and the leader of it's peoples
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LukeStrickland 7/13/2020 2:08 PM
I think the wiki login is tied to MM4
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seriously wtf
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LukeStrickland 7/13/2020 3:23 PM
what?
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damn mm4 and wiki
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As I remember, the wiki was upgraded and the previous plugin for AD did not work and we had to get the wiki up quickly. Luke was working on replacing MM3 with MM4 as the final word on who is a member. So, he quickly wrote a plugin for the wiki to allow logins.
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LukeStrickland 7/13/2020 4:43 PM
yeah, the a/d integration with mediawiki was fucked
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/13/2020 4:45 PM
same situation a couple months ago. Mr. LeCody waved his wand @ it and it started working again, so... I reckon when he has the time, he'll know which dust to sprinkle, now... No idea if it's the same bag of magic Luke was using or not...
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Looks like the votingrights site is down right now
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I guess that is on purpose
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Yep, I think it was taken down after the registration deadline. Probably because it was confusing.
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wiki is working again
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Thanks!
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yw
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Anyone seen the error
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“Unable to verify authorization token due to sever clock differences. please try again”
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Trying to do authentication through google to talk
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/16/2020 5:06 PM
yeah the google sign in is buggy
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ever since the original IDp certs were pulled (they were on a personal gmail) I couldn't get it working quite right
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it's been pretty low on the totem pole since you can set a password and login normally
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well, I guessed they were on a personal gmail
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no clue really, they were just invalid one day and couldn't find where
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You went Mac?
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points at Jim
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Not it
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I am guessing that won't upgrade to the latest OS whatever
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Honestly I'm not even sure which one that is. Some iMac... G5?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/17/2020 9:20 PM
It works, it's clean, it was free. and we don't have a Mac for general use. Figured it would be nice for our members that are Mac users and not familiar with windows etc. Still need to set it up
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that grungy keyboard could be replaced though
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/17/2020 10:05 PM
Indeed
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Meh, just put it in the dishwasher
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/17/2020 10:11 PM
I mean as long as it has time to dry before it's plugged in
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:P
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Done. Works most of the time
10:12 PM
If the keys don't melt off 😉
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assume infra is making changes to various distribution lists...
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changes, what changes 😛
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add/remove
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Anyone have any alarm suggestions I had SimpliSafe but removed them and replaced all the sensors with SmartThings sensors. It’s pretty much a smart house with all the IOT stuff but now I am thinking about actions and looking for suggestions.
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For example silent alarm vs audible, strobe lights/pre record messages
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I'm thinking of trying to get some google meet hardware -- make it easier for committees to have split in-person and online meetings. Anybody have any thoughts?
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There hardware company calls me about every 5 months
7:47 PM
The group that sells the google meet hardware
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Just to chat? 🙂
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Ya I was going to order it for DMS about 4 years ago
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So they call to chat
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Fair enough. I know @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium mentioned it once, and it might be nice to wire up one of the rooms. Make it super easy to just start a meeting
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Some of it looks good but it’s not as polished as other alternatives
7:49 PM
But google meet is also not super solid
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Compared to WebEx
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Etc
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Not as much, but we get it with our G-Suite. So the price is nice
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True can’t argue that
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And it's been as stable as teams and skype for me
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Ultimately was going to do the Logitech setup with there PTZ camera and even had it purchased but it was stolen
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/21/2020 7:57 PM
It's integrations, being free for us, a common platform, and not needing browser plugins / software on most things are the major selling points for us
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Plus I've started setting up the Shared Resources in G Suite
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At this point though the webcams are probably the way to go
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That mount on top of the TV
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Pretty much. They have a decent 4k wide lens that's in their cheaper version
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All told, basic system, touch screen, and 2 speaker/mics would be about 2500
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Microsofts 360 camera that pulls video from the talker with directional mics is cool through
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They are cool. I'm mostly going for luddite-proof, or at least as close as possible.
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Webcam
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For sure
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And hopefully will not be stolen
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Cable and lock everything down we can. If we make it mobile, lock it in the supplies closet for badge logging
8:04 PM
I'm split between just wiring up lecture hall, or doing some mobile setup. The latter would be harder for folks though
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For mobile the 360 cameras are pretty interesting options I did not consider it until I tried it
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Pretty sure you could find one with a good mic and it’s completely self contained
8:05 PM
It works really well on YouTube
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I am not sure about google meet though
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The Meeting Owl and the Meeting Owl Pro are loved by 30,000+ businesses to help bring distributed teams together for better work.
8:36 PM
Check out this thing
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They look a lot cooler than they are
8:39 PM
I've tried them, and they get easily confused
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I used the Microsoft round table at the time and it was solid but these days everything is on laptops with COVID
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/23/2020 5:55 PM
has this been given discussion/thought/consideration to make the wiki more mobile freindly? (I think I already know the response, but asking anyway...) https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MobileFrontend
The MobileFrontend extension: Creates a separate mobile site for your mobile traffic, System administrators are able to provide a different skin, e.g. Skin:Minerva Neue. provides various content transformations to make your content more friendly, Notably section collapsing an...
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We've been talking about replacing it with confluence
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5:55 PM
And that has some good mobile support
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If not, we're due for a wiki upgrade anyway, so I'd be up for looking at that
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/23/2020 6:00 PM
I'm not familiar with confluence, and the fact that their ads effectively look like wordpress/sharepoint clones is kind of a turnoff but I'll learn to use whatever; I do know we need something more mobile friendly, given the increased ranking for mobile friendly for google/other search providers and, well, the fact that so many people now tend to use some sort of mobile device for browsing most of the time (per my perception - no actual data will be provided to support that assertion)
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It's much more like wiki, but is organized into "spaces". We wouldn't be using their cloud version, which is a bit more like WordPress
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And yes, most people use mobile (I and right now). My sites generally see 60-80% mobile these days
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/23/2020 6:03 PM
have you seen Kevin's posts re: google search rankings? (or, to ask another way, have you done/been involved with any efforts to ensure those don't fall further and/or improve them?)
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I haven't been involved yet, but it's on my radar. Google makes it pretty easy to find things that make you fall. The rest is creating constant content, which we're kinda doing but might not be getting counted all the way
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6:05 PM
I'd need to get access to our console
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/23/2020 6:07 PM
yeah. not sure who has/can do that... maybe jim, freddie, or (most likely, I think) JJ... But you already know that, so I'm not really helping here... Good to hear it's on the list. 👍
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Nope, you're helping. I haven't been around long enough to know the answers to "who" at the very least. I'm missing the communal history
6:08 PM
So I appreciate the prompts
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/23/2020 6:09 PM
I think Robert (Davidson) is actually probably the "original" holder, but surely someone else has access these days...
6:09 PM
plus, Ken knows all. 😄
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As of March 2017, the Dallas Maker Space (DMS) is a 501(c)(3) non-profit, shared community workshop and laboratory with approximately 1500 members and 16,800 sq ft of floor space. Below, is the original project tracking done by Ed Paradis and Steve Rainwater. Additional insigh...
Below is Steve Rainwater’s response to a few questions about the start of the Dallas Maker Space provided in March of 2017. >> Q1 When roughly did DPRG move into and out of the facility (“the warehouse”) that was provided by Mike Dodson? The photos in the DPRG warehouse photo ...
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Thanks!
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I had read of dprg, but this pulls a lot together for me, thanks
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/23/2020 6:56 PM
Note Rainwaters pic of the final locking of the former location: Doug is doing the locking...
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I noticed 🙂
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It fills in some gaps for me, and the existence of dprg would have been a pretty big factor in success -- just coming from my experience of trying to rally people together without an existing nexus.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/23/2020 7:12 PM
indeed. DPRG deserves a bigger plaque than they have @ DMS, in my opinion...
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Not sure if it was just the size of my employers confluence site, but damn that thing was slow. Put a page up that has links to its child pages and boom 5-10 second load time hit.
7:26 PM
It was nice otherwise. Certainly easier to navigate than a wiki
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/23/2020 7:31 PM
it's never been the fastest, but scale makes a huge difference
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 7/23/2020 7:32 PM
When I started to work on our main sites WordPress install I added Google Analytics to get a baseline. I want to eventually rework the site template and features organization. There is a lot of broken/old stuff.
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@michaelb - I manage one at work with around 1500 users. If you don't tune the JVM, it'll die a slow death
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Or don't do index maintenance, etc
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I'm certainly open to helping out with that. I know a decent amount around wordpress and other such things.
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@Lampy (Ken Purcell)
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Oh that's cool. I don't know what our IT department kept up with but good to know there are reasons/things to do
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When I took over, they had "forgotten" to increase the memory on the jvm. Machine has 8 gb, but the site could only use 1
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And people were grumbling about it all the time 🙂
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Lol, that's... Scary. We had something like 5k users at work, pretty much the whole company used it.
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They also have a datacenter products to scale horizontally. I would recommend it over 2k users
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And really, with their licensing, it's cheaper to go that way over that amount
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But anyway....
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Yeah we won't be hitting those numbers, I just knee-jerk associate confluence with painful load times.
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Fair enough
7:54 PM
I have a few of those
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hehe
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But yeah I think it's a lot more useable than the wiki so if it ever gets off the ground I'm more than willing to add laser stuff to get some content in it.
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only hold up is a/c
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7:56 PM
which is progressing
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they are bought
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install will be soon
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Oh yeah, that'll be cool
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lol literally
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Yea, last I saw Tim needed to get new lines
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 9:27 AM
You can see your groups in MM4 (lower-right corner) https://makermanager.dallasmakerspace.org/ Just don’t try to use it for badge management or anything else really. It’s only partially working right now (use the link for the maker manager at the top here for everything else...
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join date is...wrong... but cool for checking AD memberships...
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Yea, mm4 is... Unfinished. But I like you can at least see groups
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For teachers and admins of the woodshop interlock they also have this access
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I'll have to check that out
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for all the pissing and moaning about the wiki and how hard it was to use (markup language too hard!!!!111one), fixing the visual visual editor pretty much did f__king nothing to change things. the hard truth is people don't like creating documentation.
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Aint that the truth
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It's just an excuse. Fix one and they'll find another
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migrating to a new platform might make for easier administration but it isn't going to get people to document things
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Nope. Separate problem.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 11:17 AM
and it'll break dumbasses like me who like wiki
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And the former is much easier than the latter
11:18 AM
Lol
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 11:18 AM
(even if we're not very good at it)
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I can put a markdown plugin just for you
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we've got confluence at work and save for the people that have to use it as part of their workflow (development), there's a huge absence between their noisy - and largely theoretical - documents on everything and the few distilled process docs that operations has
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 11:19 AM
visual editor makes keeps me insane as does trying to help people use it (because just using classic is soooo much better) (edited)
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I've used both. different tools for different tasks.
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tables - visual editor for sure
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 11:21 AM
meh
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(I guess I SHOULD try it...never have...)
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outlines - find it easier to insert the markup than deal with the clicking around and seemingly un-memorizable keyboard commands for managing indents
11:23 AM
one thing that I believe members struggle with is that the wiki - and confluence - demand fairly structured documentation with few opportunities for the kinds of self-indulgence visual flourish one sees in the likes of Word documentation or (shudder) Powerpoint "documentation"
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Boring = maintainable
11:24 AM
I suppose we could use comic sans or something
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header section subsection text outline table blocktext - no opportunity for whatever font strikes your fancy, centering all the lines, animated backgrounds, etc
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Blink tag!
11:25 AM
Bring it back
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I suppose I could start disliking you on general principles
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Lol
11:25 AM
I'll put the snark away now :)
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 11:26 AM
most people today don't like to read
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and many of our more creatives, don't really like to have their stuff read
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maybe video "documentation"?
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ROFL
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 11:27 AM
I confess, as little creativity as I have, sometimes I find it annoying to not be able to place whatever, whereever, just because that's where I want it. but you buck up and move on.
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But hey - I've done tech writing professionally so I've got some sort of masochism thing going on
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It's just responsibility. At some point we decided some minimum documentation useful. Therefore, if you want to run things you just need to do the thing and move on with your life.
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as much as I hear praises sung about the military manuals from the mid 20th century I wonder if there's a style guide for them
11:29 AM
written with reasonably simple language that conveys the principles to a wide audience concisely
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Should be somewhere. That's a good question
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 11:37 AM
hm. Concise is not a phrase I generally associate with military documentation... Simple language, yes.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 7/24/2020 11:53 AM
Ya'll are killing me! I used to produce training videos for an oil company. The majority of which said: "Do not turn this valve, ever!" What did they do? Turned the valve an now the platform is on fire. Thanks!
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Our brains don't understand "no". Like, don't think of a pink elephant wearing a rainbow tutu
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All they understood was "turn this valve"
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 11:55 AM
maybe 'turn this valve for instant, liquified, death' would get the message across?
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er, 'instant, liquified death'
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got comma happy, there, eh
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No, I like it the first way
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 11:58 AM
but then I'd want to see what the first two are, and hope I don't get the last
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I mean, the odds are in my favor, death being only 1/3 of the opportunities...
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oh, wait...liquified might not be something I want to see, either...
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death MIGHT be implicit, there
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 7/24/2020 11:59 AM
Our ARCO Refinery in Texas City had signs that said: "Do not open - 400º Kerosene" This valve was 25 feet off the ground with a second sign. Insta-fried a guy on a ladder. (edited)
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 12:00 PM
good god
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Oh my
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 12:00 PM
where there's a will, there's a way
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sometimes a blackbox recovery on a person might be a nice thing...
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just what in the heck WERE you thinking, Jim?
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 7/24/2020 12:01 PM
I got to shoot documentary footage to use in the following court case.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 12:01 PM
heh..."got to"
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 7/24/2020 12:04 PM
My wife also worked for ARCO. She got to edit video depositions all the time. This dude got ran over by his own earth mover. He got out and forgot to set the parking brake. Almost seemed cartoon like where it had pushed him into the ground level with the surface. She still shudders when thinking of that project. (edited)
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Oof. I can only imagine
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the couple of military manuals I read (FM 22-5 being the foremost because JROTC) did manage to describe the processes involved with about the minimum of verbiage
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ferricyanide 7/24/2020 1:22 PM
Oof none of our SOPs are simple, concise, straight forward and easy to read. Convoluted and 127 pages on some if them is more accurate.
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Where I work, one of our guidance documents talks about how long documents are bad because people don't read them. It mentions this on page 56 of a 265 page document.
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ferricyanide 7/24/2020 1:36 PM
😂Yeah, we end up in CFT meetings discussing different interpretations of documents and what is allowed as per the wording. Usually they make us train on it and i try to remember to save a copy on my computer. Because our search function for those documents suck and having a copy with the document number makes it easier to fond the latest version because of course we are supposed to use the lastest version. And they tell you not to save copies because it makes you more prone to not pull the lastest version. But like someone asked me yesterday if i knew what the document number of something was.... I didn't have that one and asked 5 other people with no luck. I tried searching in the stupid document system and couldn't find it. Just dumb
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 1:41 PM
Share (what is the) Point FTW
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(I could be wrong, but lots of the Military has gone to SP...which is absolutely confounding. As is the fact that Microsoft has never, ever, in the history of ever, been able to get a search to work...)
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judy Kriehn 7/24/2020 3:38 PM
I suppose we could use comic sans or something
@Skyspook
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Don't hurt me...
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judy Kriehn 7/24/2020 3:40 PM
(Slap, slap, slap) comic sans? CURSE YOU!
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Hmmm Discord apparently takes issue with me denigrating Comic Sans.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 3:57 PM
what's wrong with comic sans? beats whatever the garbage is Word uses by default these days...
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judy Kriehn 7/24/2020 4:10 PM
You are SOOOooo not a graphic designer, dude. It’s better than people who use script fonts in all caps, but not much better. And I haven’t used a default font in years. And for the record, I don’t know what’s going on with Patrick’s new wear a mask sign either. That’s a questionable font choice as well.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 4:11 PM
I am not.
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this one?
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judy Kriehn 7/24/2020 4:12 PM
Yeah. Don’t be a potato bird face, wear a mask?
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 4:12 PM
I'll confess, my wife (minor in technical writing) has, after 25 years, managed to NOT have to explain to me the difference between serif and sans-serif fonts... I mean, she still does, out of habit, but she doesn't HAVE to...
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it's if the T has little vertical bars on the ends I think 🙂
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 4:13 PM
ROFL
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I look for the feetsies on the...um...some characters...
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😄
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hehe, yep 🙂
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judy Kriehn 7/24/2020 4:13 PM
But to be fair there are serif fonts that aren’t very apparent. Like Optima.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 4:14 PM
and I can tell you the assholes who overhauled our websites chose the absolute shittiest font/fontsize combo EVER! "accessible" my ass.
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judy Kriehn 7/24/2020 4:15 PM
Our as in DMS or our as in your employer?
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 4:15 PM
my employer
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judy Kriehn 7/24/2020 4:18 PM
Most accessibility rules were made by the gov’ment. And it’s inconsistent at best. At least the finally stopped kissing the ass of the bitch up north who spends all of her waking hours seeking out “unconforming” websites and filing complaints with the EEOC.
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That’s was a hysterical skit.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 4:42 PM
yeah. that....skit...is largely me with avatar in general
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un effing obtainium. srlsly?!?
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we're done here
4:43 PM
oh, and the whole of avatarland in disneyworld? utter shit don't waste your time. we did. want my hours back.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/24/2020 4:53 PM
heh. This made me chuckle
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lets here it for profreedrs!
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hehe
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Put up the proposal for some google meet hardware I spoke of previously - https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/20200806-bod-agenda-item-acquire-lecture-hall-video-hardware/73373
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Looks like a good option
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Trying to go for easy-as-possible. I don't actually want to maintain it much 🙂
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I'm sure we could make something cheaper, but it would be less user friendly and have to be maintained more
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I could not tell does it come with a CPU
8:12 PM
Something to tie it together
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Yes, it comes with a Chromebox
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Which means we can tie it into our GSuite and manage it remotely
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Hard to mess that up
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'zactly
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But good luck!
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We'll see. It's a chunk of change, but probably worth it
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If I had to bet there are teleconference setups all over the US that will not be used for a while now
8:13 PM
I have not even been to a office since March
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Well, if that's what happens with this I'd be happy. Maybe someone knows of one that can come out way 🙂
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For sure worth the try
8:14 PM
and easy to reproduce
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I think it's especially important if we're going to require online components for meetings
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It may not even be necessary to go with a “Package”
8:15 PM
For future builds
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True
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@A. Spencer(jast) taking calendar discussion here I don't see a "no room" option, just "online only" and "off-site, see event description" I'd probably call it something like "office hours/no reservation needed" We're talking about how to support office hours. Currently, to put a class or event up on the calendar, you have to reserve a space or designate it as off-site or online only. But for office hours, you should be able to have two people doing office hours in the common area at the same time, and I know that the way I'd do it personally is I'd just put some way to contact me in the calendar description, and be able to move around as required. I think it's clear to everyone that one of our most valuable resources is all the knowledge and skills we have at the space. Now is probably not the time to do a little campaign reaching out to members to do office hours on what they know, but it might be something to look at in the future. What does everyone think?
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I know personally, this is something that's appealing to me because of the low overhead, I don't have to set anything up, prepare a class, all I have to do is put it on the calendar and show up at the space with my laptop
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/26/2020 1:37 PM
office hours either need a room, or online only
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the offsite is for things like special events at conventions
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there literally is not another option
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the common area isn't able to be reserved exlusively
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certain rooms on the calendar allow simultaneous booking because of that nature.
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where you can have things present there, but you can't reserve the whole room
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/26/2020 1:42 PM
so 'common room' is NOT able to be reserved, thus, it would serve this purpose. If I'm understanding @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium correctly. Book it & call it a day. Realize anyone else can book it, too, so it's not a reservation. Whomever shows, shows, and can hang in the common room with you. Hopefully anyone showing up in the common room for another party will play nicely (which is kind of the point of the common room anyway, generally)
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I was probably thinking about the 'no tool' entries for claiming tools for classes. I was thinking there was one like that for "room", too...
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huh. appears "no tool" entries have gone away, too... 🤷‍♂️
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/26/2020 1:46 PM
You just don't select a tool when booking
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/26/2020 1:46 PM
yep
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and has it been made so one can de-select an accidentally selected tool when booking?
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which was my impetus for asking for such an entry
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judy Kriehn 7/26/2020 7:05 PM
The lobby conference room might be a good place for office hours. It's currently the smallest space available.
7:12 PM
thats not very covid of you
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Hey a fusion teacher (Chris) is telling me they can't add students to the fusion users group. Can the laser teachers group manage the fusion users group?
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I'll check
6:27 PM
Looks like I need to add the group as the manager. give me a sec
6:29 PM
Alright, teachers can manage fusion now
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Gods help me, I have to take "IT security training"
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Excellent!
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Oh, did you know, there's no end to a hacker's bag of evil tricks?
2:03 PM
They may even sneak into your building and pretend to belong there!
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Sure they are like leprechauns
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Looking at you @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium sounds like you're evil ;)
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Might even gasp have a clipboard!
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With papers and a pen!
2:09 PM
The horror
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I did some consulting with the SNL producers to make some HIPAA training and it turned out awesome
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/30/2020 2:10 PM
sounds like mitnick's stuff (but then again, aren't they all the same?)
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Lots of short videos that were a lot of funny situations
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But impacted info Sec
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I would love for someone to require us to go through that. The IT guy assigns our passwords, and a former employee figured out the pattern he used to use and spent the day correctly guessing others passwords.
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Man I'm just whining about the office on every channel today 😅
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Random but I think with all this COVID stuff I may move on to a boat and go on a trip
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Yea, this is targeted towards business users. Not bad for that really, warns against phishing and whatnot
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Knowbe4, think it's actually associated with Mitnick, @A. Spencer(jast)
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Here is the training I thought it turned out pretty good
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/30/2020 2:28 PM
I'm sorry @michaelb did you say that you're assigned a password? I think I just vomited a little bit in my mouth
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Yes we all are!
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/30/2020 2:30 PM
@Skyspook funny thing about knowbe4 service. I own the domain name know-be4.com and use it to phish know-be4 customers during engagements with clients There's even a known client enumeration on the knowbe4 service that allows me to determine if a client has setup an account with them before I try to spoof them
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that's disgusting michael and I hope to see whomever came up with that requirement get a nice, firm slap from a security consultant
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A former employer I that used individual accounts for each physical location to sell on Amazon just used the store number+company abbreviation as the password for the accounts.
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AND each account had their own PayPal.
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The password system was the same
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Guess what was on each address? The company abbreviation+store number
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/30/2020 2:39 PM
I see that crap all the time
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for shared accounts at least
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I less often see cases like what Michael has
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Yep and dates
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So many dates
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And seasons
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/30/2020 2:40 PM
Summer2020 is currently at the top of my first things to try when I need to guess
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That's awesome @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium if I thought our business users could handle it, I'd bring you in. You'd likely destroy them though
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/30/2020 2:41 PM
come on, I'm a professional consultant. I can go easy on them if needed 😛
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Lol
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/30/2020 2:41 PM
so far though when the gloves are off I have a near 100% success rate. I've had a single client break that from being a true 100
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and they're the reason my hair is not all the way down my back
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Lol.
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We still email around all sorts of PII. Finally stopped the SSNs and bank account numbers at least
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/30/2020 2:42 PM
I once filed a cease and desist through the county against a target; the cease and desist was itself a phishing expedition
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And it's getting better all the time
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/30/2020 2:42 PM
where the affidavit that could be signed and uploaded went to a malicious "document portal" where I spiked the browser using BEEF.
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I even had a process server show up at their office to serve the documents I filed
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I reinterate my former statement, that's pretty "evil" :)
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 7/30/2020 3:02 PM
I can drop ship you some free thumbdrives. Or even a fruit basket with a battery powered pineapple.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/30/2020 3:05 PM
I actually used the DMS lasers and CerMark to engrave the target's corp logos and slogans on a ton of aluminium USB drives
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and promptly sent them via post to offices and dropped them around their campuses
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 7/30/2020 3:07 PM
Look a free thumb drive, wonder what's on it?
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At the very least we seem to have some sort of mac address whitelist/802.11x on our wireless network. No phones allowed.
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ferricyanide 7/30/2020 3:24 PM
So you're the reason we get those emails to not use unauthorized USBs and SUPER don't pick up USBs in the parking lot
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/30/2020 4:00 PM
Apparently I'm the reason for a lot of things
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only caused two factory fires as a result of a network breach. Stolen a few safes from banks; scrapbook of selfies taken in vaults #consultantlife (edited)
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Jokes on you
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I don't need a consultant to start fires accidentally
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/30/2020 4:05 PM
but did you start said fire from 900 miles away?
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Who knows
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I would love for someone to require us to go through that. The IT guy assigns our passwords, and a former employee figured out the pattern he used to use and spent the day correctly guessing others passwords.
I confess that I use the not entirely random RAND() function in Excel for temporary passwords - which typically have a lifespan of 30 minutes
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Lotus was bad about unchangable assigned password. they were excruciating to remember, but their static nature was also a problem.
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Does Verizon/frontier still use Lotus Notes? I remember that when I started as a contractor
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VZ mercifully moved to outlook circa ... 2009 ... I think
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and absolutely no one - save for Lotus Notes "Administrators" - was sad to see it go
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Sametime will live in infamy
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:33 PM
OK.. why the hell are these showing up on the main feed, now? They did not previously, as far as I know. and I'm not doing anything differently than I've ever done before that I am aware of...
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They don't for me
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That's pretty odd.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:34 PM
really...
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yeah, since, as you can see, that's a non-logged in browser
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What the what?
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You're right
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:35 PM
huh. the go away if I log in as a test user...
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wtf
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why would we ever want those to show outside of the category?
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I have no idea. And they have a lock icon
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:35 PM
and have they always done this but I've never noticed, or is this new...
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Hm.
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lock is b/c I close the "ticket" after fulfilling
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Gotcha
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I don't have admin on talk so it'll probably be @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium or @yashsedai that'll need to take a look.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:38 PM
ditto
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How'd you run across that?
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:38 PM
looks to me like Discourse busted something
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I see them in my "latest" feed
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Thus, presumed EVERYONE does
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Wonder why you see it, and an anonymous users sees it, but I wouldn't
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:40 PM
(well, if I do, and a non-logged in user does, it's not completely illogical to think "everyone" does, right?)
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 2:40 PM
they didn't bust it
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I think it's just a setting issue
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Figured, but it's an interesting one 🙂
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 2:40 PM
most topics are within a Logged-in requirement
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that's the most common post a non-dms member makes
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:40 PM
yeah. wonder which what "we" changed that twiddled that...
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 2:41 PM
and thus isn't in "the firewall" as the people that made it like to call it
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we didin't AFAIK
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I think we've just had enough recent ones compared to posts that are otherwise hidden
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to actually notice
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doesn't seem to be anything broken
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you just updated quite a few of them
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 2:41 PM
anyway I'm on it
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:41 PM
hm
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Not an emergency or anything. Not like they're secret 🙂
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 2:41 PM
@yashsedai that screenshot is when not logged in
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i understand, but that is a public category
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:42 PM
never noticed it before, and then about...2 months ago, started to seem like they were garnering more attention than usual (which is usually the requestor and nobody else)
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then yeah, today was a bunch, so it kind of stands out.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 2:42 PM
do we want it to be, or just require one be logged in?
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:42 PM
anwyay. I'll leave you to it.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 2:42 PM
IDC honestly
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it needs to be public
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 2:42 PM
I don't like that we have DMS general non-public, or a lot of our categories
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non-dms group members wouldn't be able to request otherwise...
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 2:43 PM
you can still require they be logged in at least
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based on what?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 2:43 PM
versus an unauthenticated user
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:43 PM
I don't like that we have DMS general non-public, or a lot of our categories
you can fix that unilaterally , like it was busted.
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i'll check but i dont there there is such a thing as authenticated
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 2:44 PM
you use the "trust level" modes
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:44 PM
several people said they would...nobody pulled the trigger = still busted
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OK butting out now.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 2:44 PM
like this
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/31/2020 2:44 PM
thank you guys!
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 2:45 PM
done; it's just less pollution on the home page and betters the search engine ranking
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sweet
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On to the next emergency 🙂
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Not sure if anyone noticed. I was too late to fix the laser iPad.
7:07 PM
Is it still swelling
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Also pretty sure that disabled can be turned off so that does not happen in the future
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This one is only a yearish old no swelling yet
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This is Blitzen's computer. All the network blinkylights are on, and other computer on the switch can reach the internet. I don't have a local admin account to log in and troubleshoot further.
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People have been messing with those computers. Did we segment some of the ports off on a vlan? If so, it might not be able to get to the domain
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 7/31/2020 7:26 PM
you might check it's actually on the switch. Someone else may have tried to use the network mode on blitzen as well
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Actually kind of surprised you can't login. Not sure how long logins are cached, but means you haven't logged into that computer in a while 🙂
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Yeah, haven't logged into blitzen in a while. So the laser network goes L3 switch -> normal port -> dumb switch -> {fusion computer, blitzen computer} and fusion can reach the internet while blitzen can't.
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I can dig into the switch config later I just assumed since one device on the dumb switch can get to the internet they all should.
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That would be the hope 😦
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What could go wrong
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there are times that I wonder to what extent that high-skill low-trace break-ins happen (i.e. hacking security systems, picking locks, etc) vs pen testing and other above-board professionals
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i.e. I watch lock picking youtube videos routinely and it did not escape my notice that they're all doing their picking under highly advantageous lab conditions with good lighting and access from angles and without obstruction that you just don't get in the field
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Deleted User 8/1/2020 11:58 AM
Certain locks are trivial to pick under any condition
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Like master padlocks or desk wafer locks
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Dunno about high security stuff. I don't know how lighting would matter, but it is certainly easier to pick a core than a lock in a door.
12:01 PM
With enough skill/practice though I don't think it would be impractical.
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I don't think I'd count on that for a planned break in though. If anything I'd pick the lock at a security guards house and copy their keys.
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in terms of physical locks, it seems critical to avoid designs that are easily bumped, raked, shimmed, or bypassed
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Deleted User 8/1/2020 12:06 PM
Mastering systems are another big weakness
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but the thrust of my question is how often are high-skill defeats occurring in the wild by criminals vs professionals engaged in testing?
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Deleted User 8/1/2020 12:07 PM
Also if you're prepared ahead of time you can drill a lock then rebuild with new hardware behind you
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I don't think most criminals are concerned with hiding their attack
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Maybe espionage but that's probably quite rare
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But I think it's prudent to test more often than you're actually attacked.
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I mean, the Bowley design is impressive, but there are numerous other weaknesses about my property - or any other residence inhabited by mere mortals - to exploit besides attacking the lockset
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Deleted User 8/1/2020 12:10 PM
Yup. I hear going through the walls is pretty common
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the nature of security is constant vigilance for sure - exposing the gaps and weakpoints so you can address them
12:12 PM
I bought some padlocks a few months ago - went with some cheap-ish laminated locks whose party trick is primarily using a full set of security pins
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Deleted User 8/1/2020 12:12 PM
Surveillance with edge AI is going to be a big game changer soon I bet
12:13 PM
Nothing can stop someone with time to work from hiding
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the real vulnerability for a padlock with an 8mm shackle is the hydraulic bolt cutter
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ferricyanide 8/1/2020 12:24 PM
I feel like it's every other month im seeing some alert that a big company like target or capital one has had a security breach.
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I've always wondered what people with those high security locks do when they loose their keys. I assume you tell the locksmith 'go through the door, it's cheaper than the lock'
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Deleted User 8/1/2020 12:49 PM
Most of the time it's easiest to go around the door
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Plus if it's institutional, the key codes will all be on file
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/1/2020 3:12 PM
Keycodes are rarely on file (edited)
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Except for the knoxbox codes which you need to do sweet talking to get from the fire department
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Also your statement on master locks is a hasty generalization. Fun fact masterlock tag out locks are 6 pins, with at least one spool and serrated. Fantastic advanced picker practice
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Deleted User 8/1/2020 3:43 PM
are you kidding?
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of course the codes are kept on file
3:44 PM
or do you think they take the lock apart every time they need a new key?
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masterlock does not tend to put out a great product, but like pretty much everything you have to assess them on a case-by-case basis
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/1/2020 6:09 PM
@Deleted User who do you think has codes on file or where they are kept? The same doors you are trying to get through, by which point it's meaningless. Even then, if they no longer have any key for a lock they're typically rekeying it regardless
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Deleted User 8/1/2020 6:50 PM
I'm talking about institutional installations using high security locks, like a large business/government building/college campus. They absolutely keep records of key codes, both for cutting new keys and for managing mastering systems.
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It would be just stupid not to. Hell I have the bitting for my house locks written down, along with spare keys stashed safely off-site.
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And to my original point, it is very rare to have a door you can't get around, and once you have the door open it's usually much easier to open/replace the lock.
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If your locksmith is saying you need to break a door because you lost the key they're either lazy or incompetent
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/1/2020 9:04 PM
Dude, I break into places for a living. Yeah key codes exist in some orgs, but to get to them requires getting through all the doors in the first place. Even then, many high security orgs choose not to keep individual key codes or simply fail to do so. When keys are lost, they will not reissue the same key but would rather rekey the lock because they consider the keycode as compromised (edited)
9:06 PM
They will keep key codes for masters, submasters, and the most commonly issued doors. They often do not for end doors or the most secure areas which are often on separate schemes. Nowz when you get to mega-scale where they don't use keys except for override purposes then yes, they will keep them on file but they typically don't issue keys for them but rather only the master's required for fire purposes
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Systems such as Abloy are where you see that more since the key scaling can be extraordinary in size, whereas a typical mastering system has much smaller keyspaces. Most large orgs are typically trying to force use of electronic access controls
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So end doors have far fewer key codes than expected since they aren't typically issuing them
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/1/2020 11:06 PM
@Skyspook I wish I didn't see this: https://gsuite.google.com/products/jamboard/?hl=en
A collaborative, digital whiteboard makes it easy to create without boundaries and share ideas in real time. Jamboard moves the whiteboard to the cloud.
11:06 PM
do want
11:06 PM
it allows remote whiteboarding too
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lol
11:06 PM
I saw that
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/1/2020 11:06 PM
I don't think we can justify it's cost
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bit 'spensive
11:06 PM
yep
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/1/2020 11:06 PM
so we need someone super persuasive to try and get them to donate it
11:06 PM
not me though
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lol
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/1/2020 11:06 PM
I think they're onto me because of the volume of things I've asked for
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Not sure how persuasive I am. 🙂
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Deleted User 8/2/2020 1:48 AM
@honibo get off your high horse and learn to read
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But I'm done being your straw man
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Blocked
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/2/2020 2:40 AM
lawl, someone who actually deals with it for a living bursts a little bubble and it's an immediate block
2:40 AM
dunning kruger at work folks
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Can anyone look at the laser iPad? I don't think I can do much if it needs to be connected to iTunes
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Has to be Jim or Freddy I think
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I can have a look later today
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I need to create a service account for LDAP lookups for the 3D printers. Do we have an ou we like to put them in or a naming convention? (like prefixing with svc_ or something?) (edited)
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yes we do
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svc_ is the prefix
5:14 PM
i'll pm you where they live
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thx
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Can someone that has access to the discord server check the time
8:28 PM
sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org sudo apt-get install ntp If necessary
8:28 PM
Trying to get the Google Oauth to work again
8:29 PM
I was thinking that “invalid iat” could be something related to machine timezone. But literally nothing changed since our last upgrade.
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you mean discourse/talk?
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Your right
8:35 PM
Sorry
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I was confused for a second lol
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Haha my bad
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I think @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium may have already checked the clock
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i'll have a look later tonite
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Does anyone know why members AD accounts get 4 digits added to there name?
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Also goes to a description field. I assumed it was a whcs or maker manager ID.
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I'll dig into it later today (edited)
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Been happening for years
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Examples
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do we really have that many Aarons?
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Haha likely nothing is ever deleted I bet we are over 10K users
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/12/2020 2:29 PM
started happening after 2015 (well, in Jan 2015, it was putting what appears to me to be sequential 4 digit numbers in the description field, and sometime after October 2015, this same number appears to have been appended to the username, as well)
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I take it back on being sequential. Maybe it IS random...
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I thought I had admin to install software on the 3d fab pc. Is it with my domain login?
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Should be
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Unless Jim didn't set the policy correctly
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Or they didn't take. I know one of them kept losing its connection to the domain for some reason
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/12/2020 7:43 PM
the lost domain thing is laser and the ethernet cable kept being moved
7:43 PM
lemme check if your AD is up to date
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Yeah 3dfab-04,03,02 same thing
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Thanks
7:45 PM
I also need to check the mail box to see if the resin arrived
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/12/2020 7:45 PM
@themitch22 would have been nice if you were listed as the 3dfab chair in AD
7:46 PM
log out and back in
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That'd do it
7:56 PM
And 3dfab-03 reverted its IP address once, so it was acting weird. Not sure why.
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Hmm still not working
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/12/2020 8:03 PM
what do you mean reverted to its ip address?
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Went back to DHCP and was acting like it wasn't on the domain
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At the time I figured I just missed it or something and just fixed it
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/12/2020 8:20 PM
huh
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3dfab-05 is also having network issues.
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ermagherd stop breaking it
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NO U
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NO WaY U
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If someone can check the mailbox and see if the resin arrived. I still wasn't able to install the software on the computers
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 8/13/2020 6:28 PM
I would skip the latest Chitubox update. Some people are having issues with the build box disappearing.
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Also, looks like all the computers are sleeping right now, but I can check them when I'm in tomorrow.
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As far as the mailbox goes, not sure who all has keys. I know James does, but meeting up with him tomorrow too.
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1.6.5.1?
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We got the resin and supplies
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Oh good
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Talked to Jim already he said its something that has to be edited at the local computer I guess
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Probably just need to add you to the local admins (well, the "3d chair" group anyway)
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he's in the 3d fab chair group
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Sorry, meant that group probably isn't in the local admins
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ah
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I need to take a look at 03 again anyway. dns is still reporting it's the wrong IP.
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anyone at dms?
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I'll be back in a sec
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/13/2020 10:01 PM
GPP does a nice job of adding groups to local admin (nobody has to touch 'em then...)
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Lol that would require more organization
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10:01 PM
i've added 3d fab chair to 3 of the 5
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2 are off
10:01 PM
i asked beth to turn them on
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Let me know if 03 behaves itself. It's suppose to have a static of 53, but somehow it keeps doing something else.
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lol
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bad
10:04 PM
bad computer
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/13/2020 10:06 PM
I still work with a vendor who insists static IPs go bad and occasionally requests "a fresh one" because they can't figure out why their POS equipment won't stay connected...
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Probably an ip collision. I seem to recall we were getting angry and just picked some IPs instead of actually reserving them
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/13/2020 10:06 PM
(piece of shit, not Point of Sale)
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lol
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3 and 5 have 3d fabrication chair group now
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awesome.
10:07 PM
I'm makin' python tonight
10:07 PM
Getting google sheet to talk to AD groups. Is fun.
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/13/2020 10:08 PM
like stapling your nuts to a desk is fun?
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More like just your earlobe. Not all that horrible
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10:08 PM
Though python and I still have issues
10:08 PM
Not as bad as PHP and me.
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thanks @yashsedai
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anytime!
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I'll go back and test it by installing chitubox
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/13/2020 10:16 PM
just unraveled another vendor-induced seine of BS where they "just grabbed some IPs" instead of using the assigned ones for their 35 devices. Y'know, because we went to the trouble of assigning them IP addresses because "it doesn't really matter".
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They're just numbers. It's okay, right?
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/13/2020 10:18 PM
um. yeah. well. had they just grabbed some, and told me, I could have made that alright, but when we make plans for, well, the whole range, because YOU are NOT the ONLY person working here... 🙄
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Sounds like someone needs their own vlan.
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/13/2020 10:18 PM
then 3 weeks later, others are doing as instructed and wondering why stuff doesn't work
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if I had that power, they would have
10:20 PM
and if they'd let me issue IQ tests before we let anyone touch anything, I would.
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Most of our IT is contracted out... so I feel you.
10:21 PM
But, that fact probably saved all of us IT folks that are actually employees. We could just shrink the contract.
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium - For the google quiz to AD script, getting to the point I should think about what deployment looks like. How do you want to host and run it? Just need to know for taking in the various variables.
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what does it need to function
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php?
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apache?
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Python and a couple supporting libraries. Right now it doesn't take input, so was curious if we wanted it exposed on the web for something, or just schedule it on a server. Could throw it on something like a lambda service too. Lots of options
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But how we deploy changes how it looks for secrets and whatnot
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@Skyspook just curious, what does it do?
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Takes results from a google quiz and adds anybody who passed to appropriate AD groups
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/14/2020 5:15 PM
A lands function would actually be pretty nice; only super admins can pull those as it is
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The intention was to run them as a scheduled task.
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If we wanted self-deployment down the line I was thinking Docker with a limited Rancher interface to the new servera
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So committee chairs could spin up an exam that went to the right AD group, but wouldn't have access to underlying container
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But that's a long term stretch goal
5:17 PM
Since there are other pieces for that which are not ready yet
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium is "lands function" autocorrect?
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5:22 PM
halfway seems like an appropriate phrase, but Google not finding it...hehe: "someone lands here and it just works"
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/14/2020 6:54 PM
ha! yeah autocorrect in all its glory
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@yashsedai - At the space. Figured out that if I get an IP6 address on the wifi nothing works. Might be why a few folks have complained
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grrr
7:38 PM
lemme go make sure that bizness is disabled
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Disabled it on my adapter so I could actually talk, lol
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Talk is still on about the time clocks
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Although this wasn't an issue after the first time I got it to stop
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But factory reset on phone brought it back
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I don’t think it was ever fixed
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/17/2020 3:29 PM
since it only had been a problem with Google sign ins, and the google signin / signup has had other breaks/issues needing an overhaul when we get a chance, it's been low on my list
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@pearce please try again
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believe i found the issue
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Did not work on my side
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Did not work
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I don't remember what I did do fix it last timr
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Okay so don't use the Google button
4:08 PM
Just put the credentials in like normal and it should work
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alright
4:43 PM
@pearce one more time
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Worked for me
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What was the issue?
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That worked
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Although I did log out and didn't clear anything else
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stupid ass ntp not doing its job
4:45 PM
for w/e reason ubuntu stopped supporting their timeserver or the address changed
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once i changed it to pool.ntp.org it was happy after a reboot
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/17/2020 5:13 PM
happy after a reboot
remember when only Microsoft required this?
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Excellent!
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Anyone have any suggestions for an additional hard drive for gaming I got game pass today in preparation for Microsoft flight simulator release tomorrow
6:18 PM
And I want to download to much stuff
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Samsung evo 970 I think
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I have 2 960 evos already in my m2 slots
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Get a third 😆
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Haha I don’t think I have a third slot
6:40 PM
Would need pci or says
6:41 PM
Sata
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Scsi to firewire
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Get out of here
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Ok
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Is PCI next best
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?
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I mean m.2 is pcie
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Yep
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You can get an m2 riser for a pci-e slot I believe
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Ahh ok 👌
6:44 PM
Let me see about that
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If you have a decent motherboard you might be able to get a PCI card that allows you to set up <=4 m.2 drives in a 16x PCIe slot. But your milage may vary on support.
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That's why it's fast, uses some of the lanes for direct access
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Intel® Thunderbolt™ 3 Certified Motherboard Supports 7th / 6th Generation Intel® Core™ Processors Dual Channel DDR4, 4 DIMMsIntel® USB 3.1 with USB Type-C™ ...
6:49 PM
Hmm this is what I have
6:50 PM
Seems I do have 4 slots
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They're just little things. My Gigabyte had it underneath the board
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Same series, but a bit older
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I can’t see them
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6:51 PM
Also realized my graphics card is hooked into a x8 slot vs a x16
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Ah, that board has two slots of 4x-sized M.2 connectors. So you're full up it appears
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I hate the terminology
6:53 PM
Gets confusing very quickly
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Ahh damn
6:53 PM
Still moving pci slots
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From x8 to x 16
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For MSFS I'd be tempted to just go sata, and maybe even a standard HD. The cache is there to help not download things all the time, and I don't think it'll affect loading that much with the scenery data.
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Speaking of, I should make sure my computer is on tonight to download it off steam
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Spinning disk still seems to be the most popular option for game libraries. Hitachi/Seagate seem to be decent but I haven't bought any in a long time.
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It's what I have in my machine right now. I'm a middling gamer though, not terribly hard core
7:02 PM
Runs my VR stuff and most other games I want though
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Also weird it has x4 x8 x16 slots
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Just the number of lanes dedicated to the slots.
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Could be worse, could be the usb-c nomenclature.
7:04 PM
I still have to look that up everytime
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I have a 7.5 TB disk
7:06 PM
But not SSD
7:06 PM
So just use that?
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I would, honestly. For the kind of data MSFS is going to be putting down
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I need to reformat it it’s currently in ReFS and it says it’s not compatible with Xbox for pc app
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What's wrong with USB C, USB 3, USB Super Speed, 3.1, 3.1 Gen 2, DP alternate mode, Thunderbolt 3, USB PD, USB BC? Makes perfect sense to me /s
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Moving TB’s of data suck
7:10 PM
Says it will take 20 hours to move to my NAS
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I remember when gaming performance mattered to me. Then I got 10 years out of the previous rig with but three meaningful mid-life upgrades; two of which were actually quite late in its life. (edited)
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 8/18/2020 8:34 AM
I used to have 3 Infrant NAS, one at home, one at my office, and one at a family members house. Used rsync to keep them mirrored. Once Infrant was bought by Netgear it all went to shit. Still have one NAS I need to migrate to modern system.
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Freenas (truenas) is rather nice these days
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I have had a QNAP for a about 6 years and it's been good
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just updated the harddrives occasionally
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*update
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I should get a NAS since I'm doing surveillance cameras Real Soon Now™
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 8/18/2020 8:36 AM
FreeNAS is what I want to build but having fun determining real hardware needs.
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not interested in rolling my own
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I don't understand how y'all have so much data. I'm nearly a decade into a 1TB cloud storage plan and have just filled up half of it.
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I did a Timelapse project at DMS and it's like 2TB in itself
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It's a cool video if I have never showed it out
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I got about a year of video before someone in Infra Broke it
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*Photos
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 8/18/2020 8:38 AM
Lots of clients work files, modest movie/video library and some pano stuff
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My drones 4K also produces big files
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 8/18/2020 8:39 AM
Only have about 14tb, about half could go to cold storage
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Do have 100+ MiniDV tapes I would like to scan and keep only the good stuff.
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I am thinking though RAID 1 is no longer need and I just buy a big HD and rely on cloud backups
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 8/18/2020 8:48 AM
Been toying with that too
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Raid Z2 is nice. I still run mirrored, but that's cause I'm risk averse.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 8/18/2020 8:53 AM
Only reason I went down the NAS/Raid path was to have big enough folders to hold massive project resource files. One was a massive multilayer Flash interface combining videos, huge backgrounds and compiled Flash projectors. Really hated that project.
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.STL files get big after a while. And .gcode but that gets wiped frequently. I guess my answer is that I have a LOT of shitposting saved and ready to drop. That's where my data goes
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lol
9:35 AM
thats an insane amount of shitposting
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Am a busy man
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Also games are insane sizes these days. AAA titles can be anywhere from 40-200 gigs
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 8/20/2020 3:13 PM
Ooooopsssiessss https://status.lisd.net/
Lewisville ISD Technology's status page provides information on the current status and incident history of Lewisville ISD Technology.
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Whoops
3:14 PM
Not it
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 8/20/2020 3:15 PM
Mr. IT Professional, your fired! As soon as you teach the new guy the tribal knowledge.
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I have someone from another makerspace asking about what monitored alarm we use
9:13 PM
I mean we use the Carrollton police quite a bit
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There is only a fire alarm
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That is the only monitored alarm
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24/7 access is the alarm
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Yeah thats what I told him
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/21/2020 8:17 AM
@Lampy (Ken Purcell) I just noticed on the main website the pop-up covid message is kind of hard to read colourwise... Might just be me, though
8:17 AM
On mobile. Looks fine on desktop browser.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 8/21/2020 8:28 AM
Just set the color to black but it not doing it?! Will see if there is a cache somewhere. It also needs the version of PHP updated. I know that update to WP 5.5 broke shit yesterday, grrrr!
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/21/2020 8:34 AM
But of course.
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I have no doubt you'll find the fix
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It's weird. Looks bad on my phone, but not if I emulate a phone from the browser. Didn't see anything obvious.
8:35 AM
Looks like the font weight went sideways, like it's too thin
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Just need to feed it a few bytes
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ericmsilver 8/24/2020 12:52 PM
Anyone can share with me the external url we can use to connect to the personal profile area using RDP. files.dallasmakerspace.org?
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physical.dallasmakerspace.org
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ericmsilver 8/24/2020 1:01 PM
do i log in as dms\username
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yep
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ericmsilver 8/24/2020 1:03 PM
wow! Loads of apps? Are we all licensed to use them?
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As long as you are on the jump server yes
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ericmsilver 8/24/2020 1:05 PM
i was hoping to install the kissplicer locally at my home so I can familiarise myself with it in advance. Is there a way to get the config files so I have same settings.
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Yep, just download it from the polyprinter site
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ericmsilver 8/24/2020 1:06 PM
from the IP Number. I don't remember the full ips?
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Oh, you want to take a look at the printers? They're on 192.168.200.90-6
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But don't mess with them too much from home, especially if someone is printing
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ericmsilver 8/24/2020 1:07 PM
dont intend to
1:07 PM
btw if I see a login windows like on .90 does it means octoprint now working?
1:08 PM
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Yep, you can log into that with your dms username and password. Though, btw, you shouldn't need to log into the printer to get the settings. The download from polyprinter has all the settings for the printers.
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ericmsilver 8/24/2020 1:09 PM
it works!!!!!! Thank you
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Octoprint is not the slicer settings, and Justin is correct, if you want the DMS settings for kisslicer, just download the install pack from Polyprinter. It's already set up
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ericmsilver 8/24/2020 1:12 PM
will do that thank you. BTW do we have something like a log of what we found on the printers this weekend. I know some if learning curve on my part but not all printers worked
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People will post issues to talk
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Or ignore them
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So, no, no log really
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Yea, the only thing I heard of was the login on 90 not working properly. Logs didn't show anything and I think all we did was reset the octoprint service
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So do I need to beg Infrastructure for one of the PCs for the streaming cart?
6:21 PM
Getting ready to design/built the actual cart so wanna know size of the OC case if possible
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/26/2020 8:56 PM
board; infra doesn't have budget to buy things like that in general (edited)
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NetworkChuck recent video giving folks a walk through on 3cx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QyFidVcoLM [ive used 3cx, netsapiens, enswitch, rincentral] I believe our last effort was @yashsedai setting up a cloud based 3cx.
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3cx is up and running and has no issues 😉
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 9/10/2020 11:38 AM
If only people left better messages!
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/10/2020 3:56 PM
@Lampy (Ken Purcell) I presume this is a work in progress, and you're aware that it looks like this at the moment?
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I like Lorem Ipsum
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4:13 PM
We should populate that box with the latest comment from talk and see how that goes.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 9/10/2020 4:53 PM
f'ng word press reverted the text.
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thanks that is reupdated
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium @yashsedai
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am aware 😛
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Gracias
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working on the forums
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But where will we spout uninformed opinions now?
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in your own mind
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😛
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its back up
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 9/17/2020 11:02 AM
damn
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 9/17/2020 11:05 AM
well kinda back up
11:05 AM
still building caches or something I guess
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https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/free-blocks-of-ipv4-addresses-for-ham-licensees/75025 I mean, a /24 is cool, but I thought IPv4 was in danger of running out of addresses and stuff since the IPv6 migration is seemingly moving at a geologic pace
So I just learned about this a couple months back, and I should get my allocation of IP address sometime “soon” AMPRnet will provide you (a HAM Licensee) with a block size of your choosing to use for personal and/or HAM related experimentation. https://wiki.ampr.org/wiki/Mai...
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 9/17/2020 5:14 PM
a whole /8 has been reserved for amateur radio operations world-wide for ages
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it's considered a research, emergency services, and civil services allocation
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you can't use it for just anything; primarily it provides addresses for communications routing, VoIP, C2 systems, etc
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is /8 too much? probably, though it's hard to tell how to break up the allocation cleanly
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I knew about the /8. Are they allocating from within that old class A?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 9/17/2020 6:56 PM
yeah all the allocations come from that reserved block
6:56 PM
it's allocated by a non-profit group that manages it
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Anybody else get an invitation to Evan's confluence setup. I appreciate the initiative, but our plan was onprem, ya?
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/22/2020 9:20 PM
yes, and my minimal understanding @ this point is that the plan was for on prem...
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Not sure what he's up to. Confluence cloud gets decently pricy.
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/22/2020 9:21 PM
maybe he's just test driving? 🤷‍♂️
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Dunno. Just making sure I didn't miss the memo :)
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/22/2020 9:22 PM
uh. if you did, so did I.
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😄
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 9/22/2020 9:53 PM
@Skyspook it's on the trello task
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so basically he's looking to set something up to put at least infra information into
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it's free for 10 users
9:54 PM
so just for infrastructure we can roll the ball
9:54 PM
whether or not that data easily migrates to on-prem for the final deployment that's space wide is a different story
9:54 PM
but as infra we have a place to put things for now
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Thanks @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium !
9:55 PM
Missed the trello task.
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Now that I've wasted a night recreating a windows boot partition... does anybody have access to the moodle EC2 (PRLXLMS1) to add my public key? Console access no worky. Or is this one of those lost causes and we should just recreate it?
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/26/2020 11:52 AM
I'd hit up Alex Rhodes, as I think he did the install years ago, but someone else might have access...
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Think the creation key was labeled "brooks". I mean, I could also detach the storage and spin up a new ec2 instance to take it over... But that might be overkill :)
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/26/2020 11:56 AM
Yeah. Here is where it was 2 years ago... https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/moodle-wrapper/39667/2
The following are listed as current admins. If there is a specific request I can help. Edit:. I have removed Brooks as he is no longer a member.
11:56 AM
And that might be necessary... Or maybe just start over...hmm...
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Please start over. I'll commit to publishing scorm or xAPI if folks will actually give me the content in ppt format etc
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We'll just need to recreate the 3d fab course. It probably needed to be updated anyway
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Yeah I've talked to mitch and asked him for documents and I'll do the covert in articulate (edited)
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I don't think I have documents for the 3d printer basics class
5:41 PM
I can try adding them.
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I would do an export of all the content, but my admin user doesn't have admin access. If I could get into the machine and/or database, I could reset or hack a user in. It's a fun time.
5:55 PM
Might just make a new one off a docker image. Use S3 and RDS, and have it autoscale. Might be cheaper than an EC2 anyway. Somehow I've gone this long in my career without having to actually set these things up myself. Guess there's a time for everything.
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I'm taking half days off all fridays in october. I'll commit to converting for 2 hrs each week, but I'd really not prefer having to go mine the info to publish myself.
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/26/2020 6:37 PM
@doug.emes forgive my nooB questions... what is your platform of choice for SCORM/xAPI (and do I assume correctly xAPI is your preference, given it's the newer standard)? I have the impression Moodle CAN do either, but doesn't do either very well, nor without 3rd party plugins, e.g.
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We have SAP litmos at work, and doccebo, and another one I actually use but it sucks (edited)
6:45 PM
The good news is I can author just pure html5 output if we only care about a end google quiz (edited)
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What I'd love to see the dms do, is out out some high quality articulate courses, and use that as leverage to Adobe to ask them for captivate
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ThEN we can make 3d training material
6:48 PM
Oh and congrats on the new position sir
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/26/2020 6:49 PM
Thank you.... I think... 😄
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correct me if I'm wrong, but... none of these are "free", SAP, guessing, $$$$, Docebo is cloud only, so $$$...
6:50 PM
that means we'd need to do some exploration and figuring to try and bring those in...hence, the Moodle.
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Yeah I'm all for us trying the latest moodle, not an upgrade
7:08 PM
The cloud providers dont scale right for us because its user/month (edited)
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Yep, I briefly looked at moodle's cloud offering
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Didn't make sense for us
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In a away, we COULD PUBLISH to a hybrid wiki front end
7:11 PM
But again, I'd rather see a year 2021 solution I stead of patching the existing wiki
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Do we care about what key creates an EC2 instance? I didn't any on thy, but looks like the new ones were created with an infra_master_20190522 key.
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/26/2020 9:14 PM
I do not yet have that information. Need to defer to Jim and Freddy to find out what we've been doing
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I figured as much. Looking at the rest, looks like it's been a "whatever" in the past. :)
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@aceat64 might know some of the install stuff but its been a while
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I have the keys
9:31 PM
and the brooks key wouldnt help you haha
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Lol
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I think all the servers are setup with a central key management these days, so you just need whatever magic freddy/jim install on it and it should be good to go
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Yea, just don't want to run afoul. Freddy apparently is doing something with my public key.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 9/27/2020 10:04 AM
Yeah central key management doesn't currently exist. One person setup one system, another person setup something different, and a chunk of members ignored both and documenting so effectively we had something worse than no central management
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uh
10:18 AM
we do have a program that manages keys
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userify...
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 9/27/2020 5:41 PM
That's actually used on everything? Because this is now the 4th system in two years and the first I'd be hearing actually in use by everything
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Its being used on all the aws systems yes...
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Looks like it can be used on anything linux.
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FYI, I was able to export the 3D printer class. The admin pages are toast, and there's some weird things going on in the DB. I've taken backups and I'm about to start over unless there are objections
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/27/2020 6:32 PM
1 question I meant to ask earlier: will this preserve the existing instance? reason I ask is: I know quite a few people put a fair bit of work into the structure on that, and I don't want them to think we don't value what they did; we do. And if we can draw from it, we will. And part of that is keeping it around "just in case". I don't know how tenable that is, or what the expectation is... I would LOVE it if we could hang on to that until the other is off to the races, then recycle those resources...
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I would think the backups should suffice...
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Hmm, well right now I just have the one instance I got access to. So if I wipe it, while I'll have a backup it'll be offline. I should be able to get a new one spun up in a few hours. However, I could try an upgrade and see if it fixes the issues we have now.
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Wouldn't be a bad experiment to run the upgrade and see what happens. Can't make it worse, really.
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/27/2020 6:48 PM
Your call. I think upgrading will likely be wasting time, given my impression of the current state... As long as we can restore if the new installation balks, I say go for it...
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Yep, pretty easy restore. But I'm hoping we won't need it. Here we go
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why not take a snapshot?
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7:00 PM
quick and easy
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Is there a way to grab a snapshot of just one database on dms-master? Or is it the whole thing?
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let me take a dump real quick
7:03 PM
that will be good enough
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I grabbed a dump
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ok
7:03 PM
then nvm on that
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i mean snap for the vm
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About to do that, good idea
7:03 PM
I always forget I can do that
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/27/2020 7:45 PM
yes. should have said "can we snapshot". Snapshots ROCK!
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BTW... am I mistaken that we're screwing Mitch and 3d Fab over until we get their class back online? Has someone shared with him? Should that have been me?
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TYPO on the down page, referencing https://talk.dallasmakserspace.org/
9:47 PM
that's on he server "learn"
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wtf
9:52 PM
@doug.emes what down page?
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Sorry 🙂
9:53 PM
I made a down page
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And @A. Spencer(jast) - I should be able to upload his class here soon
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9:55 PM
I just can't type well, apparently
9:55 PM
Made sure it showed up, but didn't make sure the link actually worked
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/27/2020 9:55 PM
Lol. Had to click it to find the typo
9:56 PM
Old eyes and small screens
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https://360.articulate.com/review/content/98216855-b47e-41a6-a862-5ca225af6b6b/review thats an example of a rise style course authored in articulate, sitting on a public facing review page
Collect consolidated feedback from stakeholders on interactive training courses built with Storyline 360 and Rise 360.
9:58 PM
Collect consolidated feedback from stakeholders on interactive training courses built with Storyline 360 and Rise 360.
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New moodle is up. 3D printer course could be re-imported.
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I'll mess with making it pretty and getting some other things squared away this week. But we're back to where we were, but with an actually functional site
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/28/2020 12:05 AM
OUTSTANDING!
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Thank you!
12:06 AM
Logged in. Perused course. Looks good...
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yay, means I didn't screw up the AD mapping 🙂
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12:10 AM
Now it's past my bedtime. If anybody else notices something let me know. I can also add people to the admins list as we log in. Unfortunately, can't map that. But the admin account is tied to the infrastructure email now.
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/28/2020 12:14 AM
If my skim is accurate, we have a couple of lost images/videos. That seems easily fixable. Overall, looks good so far!
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https://learn.dallasmakerspace.org/course/view.php?id=2 crashes out on me when I try to pull it up.
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bedtime
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Anybody else having fun with the Azure AD outage this evening?
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lol i've fielded a few questions from family who use o365
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If this goes on much longer I'm going to have fun switching applications from azure SSO to ldap tonight.
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Better night than UHS
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Oof, just saw that story
6:49 PM
Definitely a better night
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"Snapshots are love"
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 9/29/2020 2:26 PM
they are
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I've found higher retention for people reading things when there are little quips like that
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the easter egg has value
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+----+--------+----------+------------+--------------+-------+------------------+ | id | userid | courseid | timestamp | username | added | comments | +----+--------+----------+------------+--------------+-------+------------------+ | 3 | 4 | 2 | 1601610002 | adm_skyspook | true | NULL | | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1601610302 | skyspook | false | Already in group | +----+--------+----------+------------+--------------+-------+------------------+
10:47 PM
Guess what moodle can do now?
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Make ascii art?
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I mean, maybe
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Awesome! Thanks
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Doing a few more tests, but looks like 3D printer course will add people to the AD group now
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10:52 PM
I need to write up a page on confluence, but essentially there is a custom field in the course you put the AD group, and then svc_moodle just needs to be added to either the group managing the AD Group, or to the management itself (just needs rights to add people).
10:53 PM
And we can report on it from the table addad_completion.
10:53 PM
Which is then your ascii art 😉
10:55 PM
@michaelb - wanna do laser next?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/2/2020 10:54 AM
best place to put the service user is in the teaching group for whatever committees want it
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Yep, that's what I did for 3d printing
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Does anyone have a second to look at why I can't add people to the automotive lift group, even though I'm a member of the lift trainers group? I don't see an obvious answer
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Sure, just a sec
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10:11 PM
No reason that I can see
10:12 PM
Try again? I just re-applied the management setting. Maybe something was just weird
10:12 PM
At worst, I can add them for you until we figure it out
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That worked. Thanks!....?
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\o/
10:14 PM
I'm gonna guess something got weird since you're chair -> trainer -> liftgroup
10:14 PM
Too much chain
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Could be. Plus there's the windows factor
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When in doubt... 🙂
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Do we have extra/spare Windows keys, or do I need to buy one with the Streaming Cart computer hardware?
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If we dont have spare, and it's not a dell etc, we can get one off the company store. We know 2 many microsoft employees to pay retail
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I'd have to check what our license is for, but I'm fairly sure we can cover that
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Ok, cool. Budget in the agenda item would cover a license, but good to know not needed at full retail if at all
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/7/2020 3:03 PM
should be a volume license for the space.
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3:04 PM
no idea what the allocation capacity was at. @Skyspook IIRC the MS volume licensing info is in that thing you have access to
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Yep, saw it there. I'll figure out how to get to the capacity, but I figured we had a license to give for the cart
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Ok, got computer moved to the cart. Need to arrange a meeting to install/set up the software on it to everyone's needs/requirements
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A. Spencer(jast) 10/17/2020 5:57 AM
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/jumpserver-ssh-connection-issues/75831 I'm a bit ashamed to admit it's been QUITE some time since I made use of the ssh portal... Are we maintaining that?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/17/2020 12:36 PM
we were
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I opened a trello ticket when I found it was non-functional
12:36 PM
I don't know what happened with it, was not at the top of my list before I ducked out
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I was able to log in for a second, then it kicked me and won't let me back in. Haven't had time to mess with it.
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A. Spencer(jast) 10/17/2020 1:17 PM
ditto
1:17 PM
Thank you!
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Hey I got a report that the automotive lift is down, the rfid box flashes green instead of going solid. Anyone know what that means? @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/17/2020 1:29 PM
Flashing yellow means it is still processing can be a minute when sluggish
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On the rare time it fails a reboot solves it (throw disconnect for 30 seconds, throw back and wait a few minutes)
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But usually constantly flashing yellow isn't a failure of the unit but if MakerManager isn't available to check the permissions. @Skyspook can look at that
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User reported flashing green, not yellow, but I'll have them restart it as a first step.
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Alright, the restart had no affect, but I think they might have trouble distinguishing the green/yellow so I'm not sure on that. Do we have a bypass key that I can access?
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It had issues with its network connection (from the logs). Looks like Kenneth got scanned in though.
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Yeah someone managed to make it work and another person wasn't. I'm on my way up so I'll try it out and see.
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Seems to work for 2/3 of the people here. Chuck has issues but he's got a new badge so that could be the problem.
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Whoever you tried when you were badging in couldn't be found on lookup
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Of course, the code just crashes when that happens, cause why not
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/17/2020 3:25 PM
it shouldn't crash
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Well, more just exception
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/17/2020 3:25 PM
if it's crashing we have a problem. We tested with unassigned badges
3:25 PM
it should recover semi-gracefully
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Process doesn't crash, it just throws an exception ungracefully. Me just critiquing the code 🙂
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/17/2020 3:26 PM
also @michaelb override key is in the keybox and the DnO have one
3:26 PM
hey I didn't write it 😛
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lol
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/17/2020 3:27 PM
the exception should be thrown but the code should continue to run as-is
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Its just not handling the fact a user doesn't come back 🙂
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Well... "handles" it by dumping exceptions
3:27 PM
But yea, I think it's just the api it's calling can't find the rfid badge and tie it to a user
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Alright. That was chuck with a new badge most likely. Is there like a nightly sync that happens or something?
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I think it has a cache somewhere.
3:37 PM
Not wure how long it is. Maybe an hour?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/17/2020 4:13 PM
you can choose to reconfigure the rfid interlock to use AD instead of MakerManager and it will keep a local cache
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but if it's a cache miss it goes to a web service running adjacent to the DC
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Badge numbers aren't in AD, are they? Just in MM?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/17/2020 4:14 PM
they're there as a separate object
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Badge numbers are in ADin the user object in the field employee number
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I need to re-run the data cabling for my ONT on short-ish notice. Gamble on >1Gb/s becoming reasonably available within the next ~2 years and cough up for cat6a or just accept cat6?
7:21 PM
Or just do it quick and dirty with my existing stock of cat5e and live within the limits of short-reach GigE
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The latter is looking more appealing since the new run will be reasonably accessible, I'm hardly pushing the limits of the pre-existing Cat5e, nor does >GigE seem to be a mandate anytime soon.
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With that criteria, it's what I'd do
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Whenever I start to wire drops to bedrooms and TVs I'll go nuts with the stuff that's good for 10GigE
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As a fella that's some 6'5" and hardly skinny I do not relish time spent in the attic
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That's when I'd spend the money too 🙂
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The issue with wiring is determining if a wall will meet our long term desirability for location of a landing. 20 years ago 2 cat5 to a wall plate seemed extravagant. Do you do 2 cat6 per cardinal wall? If my attic access was better, I'd argue conduit to each wall, but leave it empty, capped Bove the insulation. I ran cat5 to each h bedroom here 15 years ago, and I dont use ANY of it.
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the immediate need is cameras + removing the outside wire-wrap for the ONT data port
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 10/19/2020 9:24 AM
@ESmith I got some Cat 6a direct bury cable at Altex, didn't want to buy 500-1,000 foot roll. Think it was $0.30/foot vs. $0.27/foot for Cat 6. Needed to make runs to my office (dinning room) and kitchen computer (Wifey's). Did not want to get in the attic due to the many elevation changes in my attic. Needed to run 10Gb network to my NAS and homes server. WiFi was not cutting it with 3 people on zoom/meet/goto meeting all day. WiFi was dropping off my IoT devices when all three of us were on calls, so moved the calls to wired. Now everything works.
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my theory on networking is 'if it's stationary, it should have an ethernet cable'
9:27 AM
I'm not as consistent as I'd like to be, but getting there
9:28 AM
not much interested in the cloud-dependentconnected wifi-only security cameras that have a loop to some AWS instance welded into them for local viewing
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 10/19/2020 9:38 AM
Agreed. I'm looking to replace my ring cameras and other "smart" devices with local only processing options. I have setup a proxmox server to run various open source VMs on.
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Might do actual wifi APs someday rather than leaning on the router in the office since wireless is just a fact of life
9:39 AM
some of those cable runs are going to be interesting, however
9:40 AM
going to need to cut at least one access panel to drill through the floor before this is all done
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 10/19/2020 9:42 AM
Yea I felt stupid going outside my house and around it instead of via the attic. But weirdly where I needed the drops was on outside walls and due to midwall firestops and/or cathedral ceilings I could not have reached them via the attic anyway.
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I've got some work being done on the house this week so I've got a deadline to decomm the exterior wire wrap
9:50 AM
I've lucked out and haven't encountered midwall firestops in my domicile
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 10/19/2020 10:28 AM
I have one of those long drill bits on a stick but walls are too tall and it is a bitch to use. Probably 20-30% success rate of getting the wire to it's destination. At least when I attempted the whole house 15+ years ago.
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I'm thinking that I need to go for minimum viable product on this first run - open up the wall enough to drill down, pull the cable through so it reaches both the router and ONT,terminate both ends of the cable with an RJ-45 connector, just staple it in place until I get around to cleaning up Later™
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Just do yourself a favor and pull twine or something else to re-pull another cable later... just in case.
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the main challenge will be opening up a wall in the closet, drilling down through the subfloor, then snaking cables through the airspace between the subfloor and sheetrock in the garage
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and yeah, a pullstring that remains in place will be a lifesaver
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I can locate the general exit along the X-axis, but the Y-axis is subject to some fogginess
12:30 PM
if I can find something that's long and rigid enough to poke a pinhole in the sheetrock I think I'll be golden
12:35 PM
Or I could try to YOLO it with my ~24" drillbit
12:37 PM
worse thing that happens I cause some hilarious chain reaction failure with the poorly-installed floros on the ceiling
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well, they also could have used Truss Joist McMillian engineered joists and I drill through the webbing on a joist. but the house was 1992 so that doesn't seem likely...
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My one YOLO with a drillbit into a wall ended with an electrical fire....
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I don't do that anymore
12:38 PM
lol
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GE breakers?
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I think they were. They were also 50 year old breakers.
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former co-worker was an electrician in a prior career and watched the insulation melt off the wires while the GE breakers held fast
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This was back in Cleveland, where the average house was 75 years old, and still had a mix of romex and knob/tube
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ah knob/tube - the stuff of nightmares
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It's perfectly fine stuff, as long as you don't touch it. Or need it to do anything much.
12:39 PM
My whole house was just 100 amp service
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never ever never maintain it or go into any space where it's present
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I need to talk to an electrician about some changes to my panel. Suspect they'll end up being too costly however.
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builder had the genius idea of putting all upstairs bedrooms on one 15A breaker. need that segmented up. also would like to slot in a 200A main breaker. and the next ride may well be an EV so a 240A outlet in the garage would be nice. (edited)
12:43 PM
200A main likely means a new panel altogether. No idea how many thousands splitting up the bedrooms will be. Also not sure I've got the amps on the panel for another dryer outlet.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 10/19/2020 1:05 PM
He said Knob and Tube. He he.
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I left pull strings all over my house. Really wish I installed some conduit as well. My attic shapes are a nightmare!
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occurred to me that I could cheat on the whole "poking a blind hole" thing by gambling with an access panel in the garage ceiling
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I'd roll some dice for you, but the bot is busted 🙂
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drilling the hole has proven to be the simple part - the far side penetration is now the challenge
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airspace between the garage and the office seems to be insulated after all
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trusses seem deeper than they should be
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~18" drill bit didn't meet the sheetrock at the other side. admittedly, I had to drill a second hole at a slant.
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as usual I need an unusual tool - something ~24" long, thin, and rigid enough to poke a hole in the sheetrock
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Rebar and a hammer
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I might have some rebar
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Could cut a point on one end and hammer it
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just hoping the sheetrock doesn't explode
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got no means to grind rebar at home though
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If you know the end point you could score it first to try and mitigate damage
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the endpoint is unfortunately ambiguous since I couldn't drill straight down
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I could probably locate the X dimension with some precision by the Y dimension is ambiguous for reasons of the slant drilling and the different offset for the Y wall of the office relative to the X walls
10:59 AM
if I'm really unlucky I've come up under one of the floro fixtures :/ (edited)
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 10/20/2020 11:02 AM
Yep gotta watch the electricals. I was starting to drill into a stud and luckily my home is new enough to have those protection plates. No wonder the stud finder had such a strong signal there.
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home despot might have some ~1/4" round stock
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 10/20/2020 11:03 AM
I have a pointy copper grounding rod if you want to borrow it. (edited)
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first hole bottomed out at some ~5" so who knows what I hit - hopefully I didn't chew up a bunch of webbing on an engineered truss
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The Crown Bolt Plain Steel 1/8 in. x 48 in. Cold Rolled Round Rod is commonly used as plant stakes, tent pegs or axles. It is made of plain steel for general applications. It is a non threaded, durable
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1/4" Probably™ won't explode the sheetrock too badly
11:29 AM
Crown Bolt - 1/4 in. x 36 in. Round Aluminum Rod - For general applications. Commonly used as plant stakes, tent pegs or axles. Available in various sizes and materials. - THD SKU# 477052
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@ESmith I have used the 5 foot long drill bits in the past
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May I suggest the actual proper tool?
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I barely have room to fit into that workspace
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That’s the one
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the hole through the toe plate and subfloor is done
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Winner?
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 10/20/2020 2:48 PM
They make some really nice wall panels/doors if you need to get back in there.
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it'll be a win when I can penetrate the sheetrock in the garage. and I'll be slipping some sort of access panel over that opening since I'll def be needing repeat access. (edited)
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¼" round stock for the win
8:54 PM
something something pretty something something works
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8:55 PM
speed tests OK
8:55 PM
think I can call this done until I start on cameras
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nutterbutter 10/23/2020 3:31 PM
Eh, fire alarm, system trouble is beeping?
3:31 PM
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It's a known issue that's being worked on
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nutterbutter 10/23/2020 5:57 PM
Cool.
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Thanks for reporting tho
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right!
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 11/3/2020 8:28 AM
Damn, don't even have to lift the bike with all that coily extra cable.
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Would it be possible to enable remote access to the laser computers for the desktop-administrators group?
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Not a bad idea. Should probably enable it for the domain admins too 🙂
12:43 PM
I really want to get a GPO setup with that stuff, but I can at least add that next time I'm in.
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Nah, those pesky domain people don't need access to computer 😛
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You and I should figure out what's up with lightburn too.
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Just thinking it would've avoided all the lightburn nonsense on talk.
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Not sure what's up with the licenses
12:44 PM
It may have. Who knows 🙂
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The stumbling block is it all has to go through art since the licenses keep getting moved back to his account for renewal.
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Can we... not?
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They moved them all to mine a while back and I only have the one that hasn't been renewed. The others went back to his.
12:46 PM
I was just going to ask him to set up a laser account that we can share, figured that was the easiest way
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Yep, that's what should be done
12:46 PM
Either that or the infra email address. A laser one makes the most sense I think
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Once we've got that, it's a really slick portal that'll tell you where licenses are and let you move them around and such.
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Awesome
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I haven't sent the message yet so up to y'all on the email.
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Just want to use your laser chair email?
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Yeah, that sounds like a plan
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we have a gpo
1:15 PM
its not working, im troubleshooting it
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@yashsedai - you doing something with the admin@dallasmakerspace.org microsoft account?
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yes yes i am
4:43 PM
it wasn't behaving
4:43 PM
so i kicked it in the ass
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Just making sure. Saw a flurry of access codes, just making sure I don't need to worry about it 🙂
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new password is the manager
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Awesome, thanks
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 11/24/2020 4:56 PM
ACCESS DENIED! Oh it's you, OK.
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If anyone has time it'd be great to remove both old versions of Lightburn on the jump server, install the latest one from the website and I can give you a license key to put in. They're good with us using one standard license for the whole server.
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I can take care of that if you want
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Great! I'll send it over later tonight.
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Is the network down at the space?
5:37 PM
I have tried guest and member and I get
5:37 PM
On both
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internet is up, access points are responding (or at least as much as they usually do)
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How do I replace my keyfob if lost?
7:42 PM
Go here
7:43 PM
and it allows self service to replace your badge
7:43 PM
you will need to go to the building to get a replacement fob
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/6/2020 8:37 PM
Kind of like a lost credit card, please disable a lost fob IMMEDIATELY then go get one... and go to that site again to put in 🙂
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MichaelAcks6 12/12/2020 8:18 PM
Looks like the camera in laser has an issue (edited)
8:19 PM
Not loading on the camera page
8:19 PM
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shame
8:12 PM
Maker manager looks pretty messed up
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/20/2020 8:13 PM
it does trying to make sure nobody's "helping" with it before doing anything drastic...
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its just having a bad hair day
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debug didnt work...
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Looks like we got it fixed?
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/21/2020 10:08 AM
freddy un-debug-moded it
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>.<
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Anyone know of a way to pull the number of current members who have laser training? I assume the ad groups have former members mixed in.
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Former members should be deactivated. I can pull active accounts in laser in just a bit if you need
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Just purely for curiosity, nothing important. I was wondering what percentage of members were trained on laser or 3D fab. Someone had the data about year ago and laser was near 50%
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Of active accounts in the Members group (which will be off by a few, but close enough) -- Laser has a 44.2% certification rate, 3D fab has 27.6%
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I need to up those numbers
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Theres an online class how is it that low
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they dont want to self teach
5:20 PM
they want to ignore a teacher in person and then break the machine later when they are "trained"
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And there are a number of folks that were never added by teachers.
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That's... Only slightly more cynical than the impression I've gotten.
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nutterbutter 12/29/2020 2:22 PM
Lol, so you're saying instead of "live and learn", it would be more accurate to say " live and become more jaded and cynical"?
2:24 PM
Hoping for improvement in 2021.
2:26 PM
Eat your black eyed peas people.
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nutterbutter
Lol, so you're saying instead of "live and learn", it would be more accurate to say " live and become more jaded and cynical"?
yes
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Apparently_Weird 1/4/2021 6:20 PM
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Not sure if Talk is down for everyone or just happening to me.
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i'm working on it currently
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Apparently_Weird 1/4/2021 6:22 PM
Thank you.
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its back online
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Apparently_Weird 1/4/2021 6:43 PM
Thanks. Appreciate it.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 1/5/2021 11:51 AM
shake that tree!
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Kay... now what?
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 1/6/2021 10:38 AM
Someone wants to donate Cat5 cables: Hi I’m a technology professional and a hobby maker and I have a surplus of cat5 ethernet cables. They are all brand new and unused and I would like to donate them to y’all is that something you would be interested in? Do we really?
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A. Spencer(jast) 1/6/2021 10:40 AM
Iiiiiiiiiiii'm thinking "No, thank you"....
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techincally CAT 5 is good up to Gig, right? but... I'd guess this is old, since it was supplanted by CAT 5e ca 2000, and now with CAT 6 being the going concern...
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also, I have the impression we have plenty of cable lying around
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I'm of that mind -- we're trying to run 5e and 6 mostly, and I'd rather have a roll of stuff we make to order than random lengths of unknown origin.
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10:42 AM
But if someone really wants them, go for it 🙂
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A. Spencer(jast) 1/6/2021 10:43 AM
does jewelry want it for the copper wire?
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(guessing no)
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no
12:12 PM
please no (edited)
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What, don't want to play the "which cord works" game?
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 1/6/2021 1:01 PM
told him thanks but no thanks
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i need used cat5 cables like a new hole in the head
1:05 PM
unless someone wants to buy us a DTX
1:06 PM
i miss my dtx-1800
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 1/6/2021 1:55 PM
🕳🤯
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vertical 19" racks any good or do they tend to be a bad plan for hardware?
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mmm lovely
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/11/2021 2:07 PM
I don't have any notice, and nothing shows up in my feed
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including my threat intel feeds
2:08 PM
is it a legit email?
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Wonder if it was only certain accounts
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Honestly did not spend any time looking at it
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/11/2021 2:13 PM
could only be certain accounts
2:14 PM
@Robert to validate the email would require looking at the headers
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Headers are not accessible on an iPhone to my knowledge and I took a photo of them from my laptop but the image is too big for discord
2:17 PM
If UBNT.com is there legit site it looks legit
2:17 PM
If they don’t own that domain it’s not legit
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/11/2021 2:20 PM
so the headers are the only way to prove that's the domain it was actually sent from
2:20 PM
they own that domain, but I don't think it's one they'd generally send emails from
2:20 PM
I've seen similar emails that try to scare someone into handing over their creds as part of a password rotation
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my mom just forwarded the same email
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2:25 PM
it's legit
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/11/2021 4:49 PM
yeah I got the notice a little later; I was more surprised it didnt' show up in my feed
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Anyone else havin mg network problems?
3:36 PM
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where are you located?
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Small conference room
6:23 PM
New lobby
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Let's talk calendar fixes... I've got several ideas:
  • Cancellations need to open up new available spaces
  • Alphabetize the attendance list
  • Class owner can allow for adjustments in class size after the class is submitted
  • Class owner can kick people out of the class before class time
  • Class owner can pick another DMS member to be the host of the Calendar event (currently the system to track instructors is separate from the list of members, so people who have made events themselves aren't necessarily eligible to select as the instructor)
  • Some way to solve the free vs. paid spaces thing However, I'm having a lot of trouble building the Docker containers. Since PHP support in HHVM was dropped about 2 years ago, I've had to change the base Docker image for the Calendar app to be FROM hhvm/hhvm-proxygen:3.30.3 rather than latest. Then I had to run hhvm /opt/composer/composer.phar update prior to hhvm /opt/composer/composer.phar install lest it complain to me about my PHP version being too old for some of the dependencies. Now that everything seems to be installed OK, whenever I curl localhost it gives me 404 Not Found. I found ways to redirect the server to point to /var/www/webroot but now it just gives me an empty page, and I'm assuming there's some PHP error buried in an error file somewhere I can't find. Would it be reasonable to just build it off the latest PHP image from Docker Hub, and ditch HHVM? Or does anyone have suggestions as to how I can salvage my existing container to continue doing development on it? (We can take this to Talk if need be)
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What the process for adding in a new computer to the network? Setting up a donated system in Printmaking, but have to install Windows, etc
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Do we want DMS windows keys used, how to set up administration, etc.
11:06 AM
Also have a printer that will be dedicated to printing from just that computer for making transparencies for screen printing stencils
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Yea, we'll need to reload it with our windows licenses to keep things legal and get it added to the domain. Should check with @A. Spencer(jast) to see if there's anything else we'd need to do, since the donation needs to be logged, etc.
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Ok, there's no drive in it currently at all, I need to bring in the SSD I had pulled to format and do a base Windows install on. How should we proceed?
11:25 AM
Athlon 6100 cpu, 8 GB RAM, will be a 250Gb SDD
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A. Spencer(jast) 1/29/2021 11:37 AM
Currently tied up... remind me this evening if I haven't gotten back to you
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/29/2021 11:37 AM
don't install windows
11:37 AM
infrastructure has a clean image to use that has all the bloat removed, even the OEM bloat
11:38 AM
@yashsedai did an amazing job sysprepping that thing
11:38 AM
once imaged device drivers can be refreshed for specific hardware
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Excellent, I thought there might be something like that
11:59 AM
Ok, I'll get the reformatted empty drive in the system on Saturday
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium id love the sysprep image, to then apply licenses on my other pcs to see the removal of skype etc on the ones I have at E/// in our training facility that I maintain
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Ok, SSD is in the computer.Image/install away at your leisure
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A. Spencer(jast) 1/31/2021 2:58 PM
wherezabout is the unit located?
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@A. Spencer(jast) Computer good to go as your free. It's set up in Printmaking under the TV
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Any ETA on the Windows install?
1:21 PM
Also, requesting that I have Admin on that machine so I can maintain the software and fonts for Printmaking
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/5/2021 1:27 PM
We'll be in Saturday; hoping it might be part of our work.
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Ok, thanks!
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/6/2021 2:03 PM
@Hardsuit we attempted this today, but did not have the right boot media to get it done. I'll try with different media again soon (might be as early as tomorrow, but probably later in the week). Has this hardware been "donated", as in, accepted by the chair, paperwork turned in, etc. ? We just need to have those eyes dotted and tees crossed before applying the DMS license to Windows, which couldn't happen today anyway, so...
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Accepted by chair and committee yes, but does need it documented in the meeting notrs
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2:07 PM
There is mention of it in the meeting notes for past couple of months, tho dunno why it sez it's a Dell...
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Could someone add a 'lift down Monday @ 9am' notice to the cameras page? Due to the electrical work tomorrow.
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There ya go
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 2/7/2021 2:48 PM
@michaelb Should probably take it out tonight
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There's a habit of starting work that will run over in auto. When we did the cylinder rebuild last year sure enough someone was there to drop a transmission the night before and we know how that goes
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Aaack
1:41 PM
Forgot I needed to tell/ask you guys to buy the software for the cart
1:41 PM
2x copies of thus bundle
1:42 PM
Just the $11.33 level, don't need Painter
1:42 PM
Authorized at the last BoD meeting
1:47 PM
Offer expires in 3 days
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@A. Spencer(jast) - we wanted you to coordinate so that you can track the licenses (please and thank you) :)
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/15/2021 3:00 PM
Probably going to sit on this kind of thing til I have task internet access for more than 10 minutes to check it out... Is this coming out of Lisa's budget, or...? Not that the amount is all that big, but just dotting i's...
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Crap, just saw offer expires in 3 days
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Will try to get on it next power uppage
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I can buy it and just give you the codes. There's a checkbox to indicate it is a gift
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Paul if I have OBS and Premiere do I need MCC, does it do separate track recording?
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MCC does the multi track, I don't know if premier does
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OBS/Streamlabs only records the outgoing stream, not all of the cameras/microphone inputs like MCC
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Jast - As far as budget, the streaming cart stuff has come out of the general funds in the oast, not any specific committee budget
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Thanks, I'll get myself a copy.
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john a gorman 2/15/2021 5:12 PM
Thanks @Hardsuit !
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@A. Spencer(jast) What email should I point the Humble bundle purchase at ?
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@A. Spencer(jast) Do I need to buy the bundle, or have you already done so? The offer expires today
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Purchase has been made
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/18/2021 4:15 PM
Thank you @yashsedai and @Hardsuit
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Cool, thanks
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purchased 2 at $12 for myself and my boys
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@doug.emes Nice!
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@A. Spencer(jast) Any update on the Windows install for Printmaking? We have our monthly meeting on Thursday, so if it fits into your schedule before then we'd appreciate it.
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A. Spencer(jast) 2/22/2021 6:17 PM
Odds are very high it will happen Saturday (edited)
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Was going to be LAST Saturday, but crap happened
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Ok, thanks.
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/1/2021 8:15 AM
@Hardsuit made several runs @ getting that OS installed saturday; all attempts failed. When I could get the installer to boot, the SSD was not found. When the SSD was detected, the installer refused to boot all the way up... we've got another couple tricks to try, but wanted to let you know we DID try (and fail), and we'll be trying again... sorry for the wait. Hopefully, soon.
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@A. Spencer(jast) - Speaking of, the automotive computer will need a new SSD, not sure if we have any "extra" laying around.
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/1/2021 12:03 PM
none to my knowledge...let me do some digging...
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thank you for checking that thing out!
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I didn't do much but kick off its diagnostics. Spit out a very red SMART error on the hard drive.
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A. Spencer(jast)
@Hardsuit made several runs @ getting that OS installed saturday; all attempts failed. When I could get the installer to boot, the SSD was not found. When the SSD was detected, the installer refused to boot all the way up... we've got another couple tricks to try, but wanted to let you know we DID try (and fail), and we'll be trying again... sorry for the wait. Hopefully, soon.
Ok. Any chance it's the coin battery going bad? Recall an older computer of mine acting like that when the battery wore out. Assuming that mobo even has a battery on it...
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lukeiamyourfather 3/13/2021 2:23 AM
is this an automated process or is this a one-off manual process that someone needs to do? meaning, do we use some kind of configuration management software like Salt or are these installs managed by individuals? https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/update-inkscape-to-production-release-v1-1-2020-03-12/79472 (edited)
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I don't believe we have anything automated setup. I'm headed in tomorrow and can start updating workstations. I wanted to do the jump server last (I would hate making something on the jump server only to realize something couldn't be opened on the machine I needed to use it on)
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the production release of inkscape sucks...
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How so? I tend toward illustrator since I know how to use it.
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So I'm not up on inkscape very well 🙂
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john a gorman 3/13/2021 1:06 PM
I've been using version 1 for 15 months (first 8 while in beta). I enjoy the many improvements. So I am also curious to know why it sucks. (edited)
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.94 is just more user friendly and 1.1 crashes constantly when trying to render lots of vector points
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which is the main use for lasering
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Looks like we can do a manual install and keep both versions
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 3/13/2021 3:59 PM
Re: installs We typically just ran ninite every so often (edited)
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Any progress on the Printmaking Windows install?
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Or is it a hardware fail?
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/19/2021 2:54 PM
all efforts I have made have come up short... Last saturday, still could boot to installer, or see HDD, but not both @ once. Attempt to just drop an image onto it also did not work...
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all efforts I have made have come up short... Last saturday, still could boot to installer, or see HDD, but not both @ once. Attempt to just drop an image onto it also did not work...
What would you like to do with this domain? Can I reimburse it? Transfer it to someone? Etc
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john a gorman 3/20/2021 5:16 PM
Dallas.ms is a fantastic domain name.
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/20/2021 9:45 PM
@Robert Personally, I'm interested in keeping the dallas.ms domain. Let me do some checking. Can you PM me the costs/time period info to keep/reimburse and/or xfer to another entity? Thank you!
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john a gorman 3/20/2021 10:18 PM
Lock it in for at least 10 years. (With namescheap :)
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Please 🙏
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someone seems to have come out from under their rock
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john a gorman 3/20/2021 10:39 PM
@yashsedai you are unclear in your statement
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intentionally so
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i believe the word you were looking for was ambigous
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john a gorman 3/20/2021 10:52 PM
@yashsedai have fun with that.
10:53 PM
I'll enjoy my night with my sons and friends camping in this glorious weather ✌️
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Am I correct in the understanding that all of the computers are "assigned" and none are available? Since my donated ones gave been non functioning, we're looking at having to purchase one if there are no DMS ones available.
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/25/2021 6:41 PM
All DMS machines have homes
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Ok. We're going to buy a prebuilt system, basically same specs as the laser sff systems
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@A. Spencer(jast) - Any clue how many more LEDs and tombstones we have left? I counted around 22 lights that need attention around the space.
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Happy to start project "Let there be light" if need be 😉
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/31/2021 7:27 PM
Uh
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Yes
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Processing....
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lol
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No worries. Not urgent, but it's getting dark in a few places.
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/31/2021 7:29 PM
Box of tubes in supplies closet...all but 4 in it,... just can't remember how many that is...
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I can check it this weekend. Probably will need to order some more.
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/31/2021 7:30 PM
Enough tombstones to use those up in the cabinet by Infra office, mostly pre wired by Judy
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And enough tubes & stones to finish Metal in Metal, in boxes by the material rack last I knew
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Definitely
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I'll draft James and his card once those are used up
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A. Spencer(jast) 3/31/2021 8:46 PM
90% sure there's 25/case, so there should be 21 left and that should get ~5 fixtures done. Once we get close to using those all up, I'm sure I can beg & plead with James or Freddy or someone with a card to let me grab more.
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What would you like to do with this domain? Can I reimburse it? Transfer it to someone? Etc
A. Spencer(jast) 4/1/2021 6:32 AM
checking back in on this, as I haven't heard back, but might have just missed it... Thank you!
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Did not see this until now
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It’s 60 dollars a year I would have transferred it years ago but the .ms domain was not able to be transferred to the register that DMS used
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I can send it and join the others if it supports .ms
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That is my preferred option
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/1/2021 7:59 AM
This is with godaddy now, yes?
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And not by choice
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It just was the only way to get .ms when it came out
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/1/2021 8:00 AM
we now have a godaddy for infra, so we should be able to xfer it there...
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I am sorry there prices are terrible
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But sure
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I need the owners email account
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Well crap
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/1/2021 8:08 AM
hm. wonder what's up with that
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if you figure out that you can clear that hurdle, xfer to infra@dallasmakerspace.org
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I likely will have to call go daddy
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Possibly have it expire and then y’all buy it
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/1/2021 10:28 AM
it's probably just in "locked" status
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usually a checkbox buried in the domain control panel
10:29 AM
some registrars require a 24 hour wait after the lock is removed
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It’s in pending expiration status and they will not allow me to transfer
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Registration expires on 4/21/21
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Seems pretty sketchy to block a transfer like this
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I am now trying to see if it was transferred outside of go daddy if I would still be charged
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Btw go daddy is really terrible if you can’t tell
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Got charged 120 last year for the domain
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Now the domain is expired....
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/1/2021 2:33 PM
yeah I moved off them almost 10 years ago now; nothing but trouble
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I currently use Google Domains and it's been awesome. For everything that they can't do (certain TLDs) namecheap has been my goto
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I do namecheap mostly for many years.
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Ya I have been using AWS and they have been great
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The current status is .ms domains goto renew on the first day of the month they expire
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So phone support is trying to bypass it
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In good news look at that fluffy Insulation just got some photos from the installers!
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16 inches of energy savings
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/1/2021 2:44 PM
I dunno, I see a lot of empty space
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Haha just fill it up!
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/1/2021 2:45 PM
I mean might as well
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to hell with wiring and ducting
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 4/1/2021 2:49 PM
Your boat has an attic?! 😉
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Kelley’s old house in Birmingham hoping to get it sold ASAP just need to finish out a rental contract
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But I had a rat infestation and scared the hell out of my tenant so just had them pull everything out
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@Andrew#5152 Can you check infra email
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@A. Spencer(jast)
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Can you or someone click activate now
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Need to do it soon as they manually moved it to active
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@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium if you can do it that would be helpful as well there is some concerns that an automated process my break the transfer so trying to do it as quick as possible
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/1/2021 2:58 PM
I'm not on the infra stuff currently
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I'm looking for the PW, just a sec
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Awesome!
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In fairness to GoDaddy the phone support was much better than the chat support
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they say an email hit infra and needs to be activated
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It's there, I just don't have the password. @A. Spencer(jast) or Freddy may have it
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Cool now I just need someone to start paying the meetup bills and I will be done funding DMS
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We can certainly take over the meetup stuff too. That might be more of PR and James, but easily handled
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lot more talk than action
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Been paying since 2014
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I did send James a reminder just now
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I pinged him in some board chats too. We'll see what they'd like to do. No reason to have you keep paying if you don't want to, though I certainly appreciate what you've done in the past.
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I am going to continue the membership fees but at this point I think DMS can pay the bills
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Notably I still think meetup is undervalued
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And that we need a calendar to meetup integration
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Damn I should log in here more often
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Not that I would do it
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/1/2021 3:34 PM
attempting the claim on dallas.ms now
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/1/2021 3:53 PM
claim has been made 🤞
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Can you check to make sure it gets paid
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I am not sure what godaddy did on the backend but it’s for sure do to be paid
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/1/2021 4:00 PM
working on that now...
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Thank you!
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Robert
Can you check to make sure it gets paid
A. Spencer(jast) 4/1/2021 4:08 PM
have set it up to charge the card on file upon renewal on 4/21/2021. I THINK that'll get it...
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Excellent
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/1/2021 4:13 PM
if we want to change out meetup, we can do that, too...well, we can try to get that done now, too. 😄
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Sure are you currently an organizer?
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/1/2021 4:17 PM
I am not
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I am
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didnt see where to take it over
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/1/2021 4:17 PM
looks like we have some co-organizers on the line, though
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freddy, for example
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😄
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haha
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Can you see billing information?
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i can't
4:18 PM
is it called member dues?
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Organizer Subscription
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I sent a photo earlier on this chat
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i see it
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so it looks like you have to step down as organizer and you can nominate me
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only the organizer can see that
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Ok checking
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Any idea how to do that
4:22 PM
I think I found it
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i found it by clicking the group, then manage group dropdown and stepdown is at the bottom
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Just a Sec removing my card on file
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Learned my lesson on this before
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no worries, totally agree
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Haha the installer is mad at me as I dropped to do this
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I will as soon as I get WiFi back
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Marina. Is working on the WiFi and my iPad was the test platform
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Should be done it went to you and James
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I guess it’s first one there gets it
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/2/2021 3:04 PM
@Robert we have received the receipt for renewal on the dallas.ms domain; I'm calling that a success! Thank you, and @yashsedai for helping get it and meetup transferred over. Really appreciate the help (not to mention the sacrifices you made over the years to keep those resources functional and available)!
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craj1031tx 4/4/2021 9:16 PM
hi, it looks like there is a lot of blacksmithing stuff in the plastics SIG area of machineshop. was this coordinated with anyone from machine shop before hand? I noticed that the corner of the new warehouse has been cleared out so im assuming some expansion work is going on
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i volunteered to be the plastics sig lead so just wanted to check in since this might be my responsibility now.
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@A. Spencer(jast) The new HP computer is set up in the Printmaking area. Figured we'd grab the SSD out of the old donor computer to add a bit more local storage, but otherwise it's good to set up as IT needs.
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SSD & cable is taped to top of the new computer
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There's a loud beep emanating from the construction corner of the warehouse, possibly from the electrical equipment. Is this a known thing, or should I investigate further?
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maybe go see what is beeping?
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would be awesome!
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Cool beans. Turns out it's the scissor lift.
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Maybe indicating charge status?
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Ah, someone left it unplugged and on I suppose. Can/did you turn it off
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Yep, exactly that :)(
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🙂
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Not yet, but I can. It appears to be plugged in, but not sure if the outlet is live.
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Interesting. Feel free to turn off the switches and see if that makes the annoying beeping stop. If not, just unplug it for now (would rather it drain than charge badly)
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Ended up pressing the E-Stop, and it's silent.
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Sweet, thank you!
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Sure thing!
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is there any info that could be shared on what the server/maintenance costs are for Talk (Discourse)?
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@yashsedai or @A. Spencer(jast) might be able to help
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It's running on an aws server, and if I recall it's a decent sized one, then you'd have the DB, etc. Don't have the billing in front me but I believe it's just north of $100/mo. That could probably be reduced by load balancing it on smaller machines and bringing stuff in/out based on load.
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Could be more than that too, I haven't split out each subsystem we have.
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thanks that is really helpful
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I believe we were looking at their hosted option too, but think they have some restrictions that don't work well with us.
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 4/16/2021 3:43 PM
Hosted usually has limitations on 3rd party extensions/plugins. I run a Discourse for our fireworks group on Digital Ocean for $15/month.
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Scale up from there. Also do not use Digital Oceans email services for the account manager side. Almost all of DO's IP addresses are blacklisted for email. Use another SMTP service to handle the emails, like SparkPost, SMTP.com, etc. (edited)
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It can certainly be done fairly cheap. If I get some time I was going to see what it would take to load balance ours and have it as a scaling group. See if it'd be any cheaper.
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Think we run into spike usage that can overrun smaller instances
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 4/16/2021 3:46 PM
I think the people from Discourse said DMS's TALK is one of the top 50 largest instances.
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That's fairly impressive 🙂
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 4/17/2021 5:37 AM
The issue with the hosted services was:
  • We lose Retort and Canned Replies
  • We wouldn't be able to keep the images in our own AWS instance which means we had to pay basically double for their instance large enough for our content.
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Hey, can we please get the Windows install on the new Printmaking computer?
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/22/2021 7:19 PM
haven't forgotten you. just haven't had time...
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I'll be in this weekend if you want me to load it up @A. Spencer(jast) . Just need to know where the iso or image is.
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/22/2021 7:20 PM
thumb drive in my pocket...
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😄
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let me see what I can do
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Ok, thanks
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Does anyone know if we bought a custom brah pack for Illustrator and installed it on the PC, would the different members have access to that brush pack when they logged into their individual Adobe Cc accounts?
7:55 PM
Brush pack
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@Hardsuit - did you want both hard drives in this computer? There's an m.2 in it already.
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@Skyspook while you are doing maintenance I am not sure if anyone installed the new solidworks version and license on the jumpserver
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Key was sent to infra
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I'll check for it, thanks
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Looks like someone started a network run over there too. I'll need to finish that :)
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If it'll fit with no issues, sure
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Sure thing
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I know we're gonna be loading it up with a LOT of stock fonts and graphics
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Yea, if you're planning on a lot of adobe usage, having a second hd certainly helps
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I have a tour to give, but I'll get it set up today
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@Skyspook if you can confirm the 3 machines are in digital annex, ill come out tomorrow and install the vinyls
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Doesn't look like they're in there right now. @A. Spencer(jast) where are they located?
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@Hardsuit Computer is setup. Wired in, joined to the domain, and licensed. I created a new group "Printmaking Admins" to give admin rights to the computer. You're in there, and the chair can add more.
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Ssd could use a 3.5-2.5 converter to mount properly. We probably have some, but I just couldn't find them :)
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Ok, I have some rattling around somewhere
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Oh, computer annex software question
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Doesn't look like they're in there right now. @A. Spencer(jast) where are they located?
A. Spencer(jast) 4/24/2021 2:45 PM
The short version : only one has made it out, hdd shortage I still need to rectify stymied furthering rollout
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Do y'all know if we have OBS)Stream Labs installed?
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OBS or Streamlabs
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OBS is on the streaming cart. It's not installed by default on anything else, but we could start adding it
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Easier to teach them if I can have students on their own machines following along
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If both could be added to the installs in the Computer lab I'd appreciate it
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If I have time today I can do that.
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Do you have a class coming up? (a deadline?)
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No, just been thinking I need to start putting classes up soon
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So they didn't had ssd @A. Spencer(jast) ?
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No, just been thinking I need to start putting classes up soon
All set, has both obs and streamlabs installed. No excuse now ;)
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Sweet, thanks!
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So they didn't had ssd @A. Spencer(jast) ?
A. Spencer(jast) 4/24/2021 3:49 PM
Dunno. I know I have less hdd than boxes.
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@A. Spencer(jast) Let's just get some then. Need that one for automotive too, and we can just clone one of the ones we have.
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/24/2021 4:12 PM
Agree. Started process, got sidetracked, and dropped the ball. Will pick back up...
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Thanks!
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Is there anything new in surveillance camera tech? I am looking to do some upgrades the only certain thing is I want to do POE cameras and I want to have some good human detection capability’s around the pool.
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outside of actual hardcore vms only verkada and a few others have really done great with human detection
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Is anyone going to be at DMS soon I wanted to see if someone could check the interlock on the powermatic and saw stop to see if the antenna is loose or disconnected
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Try power cycling them first. I've had that work a couple of times
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Haha they are powered up for sure
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Just having WiFi stability issues it’s for sure on
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*it’s on for sure
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Ah. I'll be there tomorrow - I can take a look then
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Thanks!
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Misread your first message, sorry 🙂
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Hoping they just are loose
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Or maybe someone took them again
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Well they just had a cleanup day Saturday, so we can hope they just banged them around a bit
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Hey can someone check the doors people are having hard times getting in both back doors
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Think I know why, just a sec
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Think that should fix it. Left a couple of doors electronically propped for the contractors, which draws power to keep open. Probably made the power weak for the other doors (edited)
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shame!
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I know, damn me helping construction continue. 😉
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Let me know if that doesn't fix it. I should be there tomorrow morning
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SackOvRats (Brenly) 5/30/2021 4:20 PM
oi, did the vinyl cutter pc ever get the software installed on it? prod
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Do we have a centralized place I can send some syslogs via TCP and UDP? Preferably where I can access them (and maybe other committee chairs in the future)? Current use cases: 1) Store access logs for the RFID cabinet lock I'm building 2) Store OctoPrint logs from 3DFab (eventual goal is to notify on specific errors, especially the serial disconnect error) (edited)
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Separately, I've also written a small caching server (with Flask) that serves up the list of users in 3D Printing Basics to JSON. I'd prefer to keep it running within the Space or the Space's AWS account. I've got it mostly Dockerized for now, but could convert it to a SAM app and deploy on AWS Lambda for ultimate cost/time savings.
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What package did you have in mind?
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We have splunk but it is currently infra/security
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As for serving up a list of users in 3d printing basics, prlxutil does that for all ad groups via an api
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But if you have some need to have a different format/etc we can definitely talk about it
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We have splunk but it is currently infra/security
Splunk should be perfectly fine, either the infra/security instance or another (which I'm happy to help setup, if needed). I'm also cool with using the built-in vanilla syslog server on whatever existing Linux host is most appropriate (at least until the RFID lock is more production-ey).
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Sounds like we need an infrastructure meeting @A. Spencer(jast) :)
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Is prlxutil that PHP and Powershell solution that has the hardcoded API keys? 😄
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If so, that should work just fine.
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While I'm at it, can I also have a pony? 🙂
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no
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Can I have a pony?
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no
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:P
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NO PONIES AT THE SPACE UNLESS they service ponies
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Does that include cloning experiments?
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lol don't make us make a rule
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Imma getting a aervice pony
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For variety, I'll get an emotional support llama.
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lol emotional support animals are not allowed at the space
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Welp, it was worth a try :p
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i agree
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emotional service creatures, what a minefield
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 6/3/2021 8:24 AM
How did that convo go down so fast? Emotional Support Sloth
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I mean it is the mascot for the makerspace
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Who's going to conduct the biannual sloth cleaning? 🦥
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NOT IT.
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And I don't mean I.T.
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it's never not layer 1
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Heh. Since the Space Sloth cleaning discussion is tabled for now... Can we talk about what happened to the old NextEngine 3D scanner? Specifically, where's its carcass? (edited)
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I thought it got sent back and then the company wouldn't respond
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or was that one if the resin printers
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We are in possession of it
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It is currently in the infra office, I was not aware that we had it either. I ran across it looking for something yesterday
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One of our meetings we decided infra would take it to repair it. Doesn't seem like that was done so sell it for parts.
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Didn't even know we had it. Want I should take a look?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/13/2021 9:28 PM
it was on our backburner list, then pandemic threw a monkey wrench and it was forgotten
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for parts it should be (edited)
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Cool beans, appreciate you guys taking a look. We'll see what we can get for it and maybe put the proceeds towards a superior replacement.
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Can someone that is a MM admin look for Chris Avila he is our Cintas delivery guy for first aid his badge has stopped working.
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I need to confirm he still has contractor access
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Does he have the badge number?
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I can look it up at least
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Pending
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Thanks
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His van is in the shop so will get it soon but I am pretty sure I put him there as a contractor
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I see 2 active cintas badges "Cintas Fire" and "Cintas badge 5/14/21", along with a couple of suspended ones.
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Time to say a prayer it’s still readable
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Neither of those are right
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He has been there for 3-4 years now
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He is Cintas first aid
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Yea, I got nothing for first aid, or for his name.
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Here is the number
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It's re-enabled
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Thanks @yashsedai !
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yw
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A. Spencer(jast) 6/15/2021 2:59 PM
@Robert is this the same badge as mentioned above referencing "Chris Avila" with "Cintas First Aid"?
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Yes it’s the same gig
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Guy
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Hopefully it’s tagged with his name and company now
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Hopefully it’s tagged with his name and company now
A. Spencer(jast) 6/15/2021 3:19 PM
The tag has been updated with function, company, and name. Thank you.
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Just to confirm wireless usiNg PSK
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dms-member
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Or dms-members
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correct
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Which one
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is this for general laptop connectivity or something else?
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Pre programing the interlock before it ships
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you so nice!
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DMS Member
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is the ssid
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No dash?
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nope
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not in the controller
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talk seems to be slowing down/unavailable
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seems to be working here
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 6/23/2021 2:53 PM
seems fine, was recently updated to latest version
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lol
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dear comcrap, stop trying to upsell me and just tell me if you offer fiber
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That is my favorite show
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Question, Printmaking authorized buying Affinity Photo and Designer for our computer. Can we buy it and just give you the install authorization code, after, or do y'all need to do entire purchase chain?
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They're doing their 50% off sale, but it expires in 2 days
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May want you to use one of our emails as the contact, but you should be able to purchase - @A. Spencer(jast) ?
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Feel free to purchase, we just ask that you do the transaction from a dms email.
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Ok, bought using my dallasmakerspace.org email. How/where should I send the activation codes? I'm assuming I can install them myself since I have admin privileges on that computer.
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infra@dallasmakerspace.org is the best, thanks for letting us know!
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Any idea on what the motor overload fault is on the compressor? I can head in after work and take a look
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Suspect it got too hot
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i was gonna head down as well
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How many ubiquiti access points do we have? Whats their range typically. Just asking because I'm trying to get my company on something better than a home router
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Really depends on what your office looks like. Wall materials etc.
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We have roughly 5 on each side
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Some are not currently in service
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Get the cloud key, it's a must have
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 6/29/2021 3:25 AM
I'd put them on a UDM instead of a cloud key if feasible. Tons of expansion room and regular updates
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Cloud access optional, but useful if they don't have in house IT
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(Or if it's one person)
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You can't just configure the APs by themselves?
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You can locally over Bluetooth with the app. A bit note is the supply chain on Ubiquiti gear is horrible right I doubt you would be able to get much volume of AP’s and the UDM Pro is very hard to find right now.
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Haha was distracted TLDR ubiquiti has limited hardware that could block any new implementation that is of decent size
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This site may help
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Right now anything is better than three separate wifi routers with different ssids.
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you can also check out mikrotik
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very affordable vs ubiquiti
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Question, Printmaking authorized buying Affinity Photo and Designer for our computer. Can we buy it and just give you the install authorization code, after, or do y'all need to do entire purchase chain?
btw I have the books for affinity photo and designer, and never opened them. Do you guys like donations
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Heck yeah! I personally own the Designer one for home, but it'ibe fantastic to have copies in Printmaking
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I'll put them by the door for the next time i get over there
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Sweet, thanks!
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I set up a station in the common room just for signups. Only goes to the accounts pages, and I hacked the browser to add some buttons to the signup pages to make navigation easier.
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Put one of the waiver stations there too, since folks end up needing to sign them again
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/6/2021 8:26 AM
A quick "thank you" to our participants in last night's Infra group meeting. Our new(er) attendees, thank you @Waldo @Sensei Ken @nommynap and our less new, thank you, too @Evan Lott @ray @Skyspook @yashsedai (if anyone knows Randy's handle/if he's on here, pls add). THANK YOU! I would also like to apologize for not being more "official" on the ending of the meeting; I really did want to see the server spaces; so much work has gone into those recently, and I really appreciate all that effort! It is my intention to summarize our meeting, "action items", etc. into an email to send out to the group to help "us" (by which I mean mostly me) remember what was talked about, who agreed to work on what, and what we're hoping to accomplish. As Justin said, we really need to make this a regular meeting. If you have thoughts or desires on frequency, days/times/dates/etc. let me know. Thank you again!
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/6/2021 8:34 AM
@Skyspook @Evan Lott I have the impression you have been the most active with LED conversion; do we have any notes/lists of where this has been done so we can make infra-wide knowledge? And where-all are we storing the discards? I found (guessing; I didn't actually count) 20ish bulbs in the warehouse, including 3 in a box that's NOT on the shelves, but that is well short of the 50ish I was expecting to find out there...
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@Evan Lott and @nommynap did most of them this time. Digital Media, the lobby, 3D Fab, the common room, and the flex area got the most love (flex still needs more). I know that some were existing retrofit LEDs (bad color ones, still plugged into the ballasts)
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We generally put stickers on the inside, but I'm afraid we haven't been keeping a map of them.
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I can print up one of the maps and we can go mark them (you can usually tell just by the color).
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the ballast retrofit tubes are a weird thing - pot luck on ballast compatiblity
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Yep, and these were something like 3000K color too. Ugly compared to the 5000k. Really bad in a place like DM where you may want to take pictures (edited)
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/6/2021 8:39 AM
did we separate those out so we can dispose of them differently?
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Yea, think we kept them near DM or put them in the supply closet... in case we actually wanted them for some reason
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I tried to do 4000K in the office section, 5000K in the warehouse 2016-2017
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3000K is something you'd see in residences
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Yep
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to be fair, inexpensive retrofit tubes all have some just-perceptible 120Hz flicker
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Probably done because previous occupants liked the cave-type feel
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/6/2021 8:42 AM
any approximate count on those?
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It was 8 or 16 of them, some even type of number 🙂
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/6/2021 8:42 AM
lol
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that's something
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I'll wait for the other two to chime in.
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/6/2021 8:42 AM
😄
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lol
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@Skyspook @Evan Lott I have the impression you have been the most active with LED conversion; do we have any notes/lists of where this has been done so we can make infra-wide knowledge? And where-all are we storing the discards? I found (guessing; I didn't actually count) 20ish bulbs in the warehouse, including 3 in a box that's NOT on the shelves, but that is well short of the 50ish I was expecting to find out there...
I changed out 3 in the lobby, 2 in 3D Fab, and 2 in the hallway between Digital Media and Creative Arts. I filled up the cardboard box (~10ish bulbs?) the LEDs came in with discards and placed it and additional discards in the warehouse, on the large shelves near Blacksmithing (there's a black tote with old bulbs sticking out the top). I also put all the old ballasts there.
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I changed out 3 in the lobby, 2 in 3D Fab, and 2 in the hallway between Digital Media and Creative Arts. I filled up the cardboard box (~10ish bulbs?) the LEDs came in with discards and placed it and additional discards in the warehouse, on the large shelves near Blacksmithing (there's a black tote with old bulbs sticking out the top). I also put all the old ballasts there.
A. Spencer(jast) 7/6/2021 7:48 PM
Thank you. I saw a box with 3 bulbs in it back there... wonder if some went walkabout. Fine if they stay gone...
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Haha, maybe we can give the rest away? 😄
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/6/2021 7:50 PM
that would suit me fine!
7:50 PM
just need them to GO AWAY!
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Random but anyone know where my phone number could be as related to Makerspace I have gotten 2 calls in the last 10 minutes for tours
7:10 PM
Caller said google but it was not clear
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We can look
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What's your number @Robert ?
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Evan Lott
What's your number @Robert ?
john a gorman 7/8/2021 3:46 PM
Are you adding him to more call lists?
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Darn, you foiled my plan, @john a gorman !
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john a gorman 7/8/2021 3:46 PM
Sorry. I didn't mean to say the quiet part out loud
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Yep that is it!
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@Lampy (Ken Purcell) when did you pass the bar?
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The org chart is very interesting I have no idea where it was aggregated
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 7/8/2021 3:56 PM
Pass the bar? Oh my that is odd as hell!
3:59 PM
The desire to correct that crap is strong but I don't want to signup for their dumb profile service. In the meantime can DMS giving me a raise to $0/hour?
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we should triple the wages of all our volunteers
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Sure, -60 * 3 = -180. We'll make a mint!
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nutterbutter 7/9/2021 9:48 AM
Hi, um, need a fork lift for woodshop.
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Barely trust most people with the pallet jack - probably not going to give anyone a forklift 🙂
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nutterbutter 7/9/2021 10:01 AM
Lol
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Looks about right
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 7/10/2021 9:23 PM
🍴 dumpsterfire
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Can we get a talk category for “Tour Request”
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Hey @Skyspook I'm in the ca digital annex
7:15 PM
Replied with some thread res
7:19 PM
Also unrelated I grabbed my oldswitch from pallett
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As the common saying goes, “all networked computers are vulnerable to exploits, but some networked computers are more vulnerable than others”. While not the exact wording from Animal Fa…
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oooooo
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das bad
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at least it requires physical access
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Limey (MReynolds) 8/29/2021 5:18 PM
Anyone have need for a Dell Poweredge 2950?
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I’m a student who is ready and willing to yoink any slightly outdated tech.
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is it full depth? yeah looks that way, wouldnt fit in quarter rack. (edited)
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2950’s are 2u and full size
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thanks for confirming, wont fit in my application, looks like madscicts wants i
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 8/29/2021 9:16 PM
2950 isn't even worth it as free
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I would advise to just recycle it
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free or dirt cheap systems made several years after that are typically available
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heck I may even have some 710s coming off rack soon and those aren't even worth anything but are still 10 years newer than those 2950s
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 8/29/2021 10:41 PM
Yeah I generally agree with that. The 1950/2950 series is a little to loud and a little too underpowered to run in a rack when you can get a 610 or 710 for less than 100$. Although 2950s are a heck of a lot more durable if you want to hook one up in your car for some reason xD
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ba dum tissssss!
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GPUs ... would probably get you shanked
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 9/1/2021 5:37 PM
A couple weeks ago I had offered to help out with getting the dc closets cabling cleaned up and some new runs. If help is still needed with anything, feel free to contact me - I am in the building most of the time these days and bored..
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do we have natural gas lines at the space?
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nice do we know what psi they are at?
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Not a clue
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from what I recall they only run to the roof for the heating
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A. Spencer(jast) 9/9/2021 2:56 PM
& janitor closet for hot water?
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ng is cheap for burning tho
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but I need to figure out what psi we have
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and ng lines shouldn't be super expensive to run
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what psi are you looking for?
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ng comes to homes at like 1/3 psi. I'd be looking for 5psi to 20psi
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which I'm reading can be done by asking the gas company to put a higher pressure regulator before your low pressure reg and you just run two lines
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unless it was replaced, the water heater in 104 was electric when we moved in
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we actually didn't even bother having the gas turned on until the first winter (edited)
3:20 PM
people started to complain that it was "too cold" and did not agree with me that 65F is perfectly reasonable for indoors
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tldr I want NG at a reasonable pressure in glassworks to make torches easier
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lol you want a pony?
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no that's the next question
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do we have oxygen on our tank rack outside and can I get a run put in for glassworks
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I'll settle for ng tho
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Not going to use the oxygen machines?
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And no, we don't have O2 out there
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they can work, but not as well
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they will work very well if there's an NG line to assist them
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Seems like your still better off using Airgas
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James got me started on lampworking this week, so I definitely have a vested interest in this now 🙂
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you can get added to the list of things we have to talk to fire engineering about....
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Yep
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the machines are used in combo with another gas like propane or NG (edited)
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Ah, interesting
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the map gas torches are like using hammers for everything
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can only do so much
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flame temp or ?
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Sounds about my speed, lol. But yes, very reduction burn and not a lot of control
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Oh, btw, one of the hotheads tried to kill us.
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I have it in my possession.
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the two tanks outside are Argon and Argon/CO2 mix I believe.
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adjustableness and not having to have members bring tanks of map gas in
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Oh, btw, one of the hotheads tried to kill us.
wtf did it do
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Spit fire on the underside where the tube joins to the head
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Far enough it was past the knob
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James reacted pretty quickly
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Threads just have a leak, but I'm trying to get ahold of them to see if it's repairable. Otherwise I'mma toss it and you can get better ones
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did you check the tank it was attached to as well?
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Yep, tank is fine
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they are $55
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if someone cross threaded it, toss it
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It's not - it's not the threads at the tank, but on the pipe the knob is on. Very strange failure mode
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Disclaimer Past Performance Is Not Indicative Of Future Results. We let metalshop have a brazing setup years ago and within a few months someone lit the regulator on fire I think acetylene tank and another time found a tank I believe oxygen without a flame arrestor.
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Ultimately if given the chance someone is going to blow up the bldg if given the chance
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sure but if it's our stuff we have better regulation on it
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@Skyspook are we / y'all still using jumpcloud
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we have never used it
12:42 PM
only okta
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 10/6/2021 12:45 PM
The forbidden word 'Okta'
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 10/6/2021 2:05 PM
@yashsedai not as an alternative to okta AFAIK; Jumpcloud was looked at for SSH SSO stuff a while back (3 years?).
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I don't know of it being deployed beyond a couple VMs for testing
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 10/6/2021 2:33 PM
If you're looking for SSH with some sort of LDAP/SSO/stuff, teleport (goteleport) is pretty damn good
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Also allows for other apps and k7s clusters and stuff
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Ion Snowie (D4rk)
The forbidden word 'Okta'
What's wrong with Okta?
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Ion Snowie (D4rk)
If you're looking for SSH with some sort of LDAP/SSO/stuff, teleport (goteleport) is pretty damn good
Sounds cool! Will give it a try for my personal stuff. Thanks for the tip.
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What's wrong with Okta?
Ion Snowie (D4rk) 10/6/2021 3:00 PM
Nothing really, it's just been an absolute pain at work in the past.
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My only complaint with teleport is that if you're using the free version it is a little bit more limited on what auth connectors you can use... But it is open source so you could always build it yourself. I've been in the process of getting all of my flatmate and I infrastructure behind teleport - you can even with some effort make it so that new VMs based off a template can auto register themselves to the teleport cluster
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copier mad
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It ( the copier) really could use a full service cycle IMO. It has unfused toner showing up on prints pretty regularly, last I checked the black toner was almost gone, and most of not all of the imaging units were throwing codes about end of life issues
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I replaced the black toner
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Service is scheduled
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I never got it to print
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Magenta imaging unit also now cranky
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it's contagious
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pretty sure this will require us to replace the entire cable :\
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optionally we could cut off the connector and wire up a j-plug, but it'll be kinda ugly and probably not very outdoor rated
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Yes, it's very damaged
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 11/28/2021 1:27 PM
How does this even happen...? Was it just run over or malicious?
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it has power turned off for it now
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How does this even happen...? Was it just run over or malicious?
A. Spencer(jast) 11/28/2021 2:01 PM
Guessing Braby's right, and someone drove off with it still attached... anybody have experience buying replacement cables?
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According to @pearce , Tesla provided it. May reach out to them
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I didn't think Teslas would let you shift into drive while still connected
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could also be someone was charging and another vehicle clipped the connector or snagged the cord
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or just leaned real hard on the connector while it was plugged in because they didn't realize you have to press the button to get it to unlatch
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I didn't think Teslas would let you shift into drive while still connected
A. Spencer(jast) 11/28/2021 2:34 PM
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I should have considered Tesla would prevent shifting out of "park" while plugged in...
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I've never actually tried it though
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According to @pearce , Tesla provided it. May reach out to them
A. Spencer(jast) 11/28/2021 3:04 PM
Have attempted. We'll see if they get back to me, and what they say...
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A. Spencer(jast) 11/28/2021 3:22 PM
to hear these folks tell it, there should be some agreement on file with Tesla, and we should totally know how to report this to Tesla for repair... https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/reporting-damaged-destination-charger.244822/
I’m a frequent visitor of a business that has an official destination charger. Over the last several months it’s been out of commission due to intentional damage (crushing the end). I reported it to the business, however they said it’s owned & maintained by Tesla - including paying for the...
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'course, none of them appear to be part of any business where there is one that needs reporting, just that the greedy fatcats who own businesses shouldn't be allowed to rook unsuspecting Tesla drivers by pretending to have chargers that work. Bastards.
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 12/17/2021 2:53 PM
But at last count, we're up to 3 or 4 APIs that can get that information slight_smile
@Skyspook (soft ping) moving this to the probably more appropriate channel... Are these documentee anywhere lol? And if not can you just brain dump whatever you have as you have time so I can find/document them?
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I am slowly documenting what I find on Confluence. Think I've gotten most of the door controllers documented. I'm moving on to other badge systems and maker manager. 🙂
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 12/17/2021 2:57 PM
one of these days I will remember the subdomains that we use lol.. I keep trying to go to jira. or confluence.
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I should cname that over for us
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 12/17/2021 2:58 PM
oh I am not permitted lol
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If I haven't already
2:58 PM
Hmm
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 12/17/2021 2:58 PM
oh you have made a redirect for confluence at least
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looks like for some reason my desktop wasn't resolving it though
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Oh, I think it's currently set up just for network admins on @A. Spencer(jast) 's recommendation. What do you think @A. Spencer(jast) ? Should probably have a group somewhere between full network admin and normal user 🙂
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/17/2021 3:01 PM
I agree. something between billybobpublicface and godsofallinfra should be struck...
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I'd like to give them maybe desktop-level admin, so we can get some help with that, and then expand out as trust is established 🙂
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I agree. something between billybobpublicface and godsofallinfra should be struck...
Ion Snowie (D4rk) 12/17/2021 3:02 PM
Lol
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I'm glad I'm not the only one that names my server roles like that
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But in the meantime, I can add some folks directly to the infra confluence.
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 12/17/2021 3:03 PM
Oh also something I've been meaning to ask.. does DMS infra operate on IPv6 too? Haven't checked yet cuz I keep forgetting
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I want to say one of our routers doesn't like it, so it's mostly ipv4
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/17/2021 3:03 PM
your hard work down the tubes if wiring diagrams fall into the wrong hands, so...whatever you're comfortable with is fine. Wouldn't complain about being "in the loop" when changes are made...
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lol
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/17/2021 3:04 PM
destkop admins are...shaky ground for me personally...likely due to past grievances and burnt hienies from trusting people "just a little"...
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Mmm, true.
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Gotta start trusting some new folks somehow though. Just trying to think of something where the damage would be minimal 🙂
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 12/17/2021 3:06 PM
Just do an interview process
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Could do something more formal than "you show up a bunch, here's some creds"
3:06 PM
🙂
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I'd like to give them maybe desktop-level admin, so we can get some help with that, and then expand out as trust is established 🙂
I used to be one of those, obviously my availability is hampered but happy in 2022 to try and donate maybe 4hr/month on infra, even if it's back to pulling wire.
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That would be awesome
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Frontier doesn't offer IPv6 yet for fiber
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 12/17/2021 5:22 PM
Yeah I'm kind of stuck in the position of I really want to help and have a lot of free time but haven't... Yet gained enough DMS specific know how to do so it seems
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Frontier doesn't offer IPv6 yet for fiber
Ion Snowie (D4rk) 12/17/2021 5:23 PM
Oof.. Can we just set up an HE tunnel or something? They've made it really easy these days and you can even delegate rDNS for the /64 and /48 they issue
5:23 PM
But all well
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 12/17/2021 8:43 PM
FYI, not sure who is in charge of stuff. But the second log4j CVE got escalated to 9/RCE.
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We only have it in our atlassian suite, and they only used 1.x, which isn't affected
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But good looking out. It's been interesting to watch
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 12/17/2021 8:45 PM
Yeah I've had one fire after another to patch over the last week -sigh-
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Fun times :/
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when's the next infra meeting? I don't see anything on the calendar atm
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I'd be down for something impromptu and online too
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it's my 2nd to last day at work, so not a lot going on atm lol
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/21/2021 2:26 PM
none until after Jan3
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(haven't scheduled it yet)
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 12/21/2021 3:10 PM
Same.. if there is anything to do (that I actually have perms to do or something..) I have a lot of free time
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A. Spencer(jast) 12/21/2021 5:46 PM
I still have zero time, and with Justin out, it'll have to fall to @yashsedai and/or @Evan Lott if you all want to put something together. I'll support any way I can, but, well, not a lot of time, esp. in sizable chunks. Got some coding projects if ya wanna to fix some WHCMS integrations and/or calendar stuffs...
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I still have zero time, and with Justin out, it'll have to fall to @yashsedai and/or @Evan Lott if you all want to put something together. I'll support any way I can, but, well, not a lot of time, esp. in sizable chunks. Got some coding projects if ya wanna to fix some WHCMS integrations and/or calendar stuffs...
Ion Snowie (D4rk) 12/21/2021 6:13 PM
I'm happy to take a look at whatever although I work best with software dev and datacenter ops/management stuff (servers/cabling/etc)
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/8/2022 9:38 PM
Am I able to get a new project created within the Jira system - I don't think I have permission? Do we have any sort of process for how SIGs and/or sub groups can take advantage of Jira? (Like... do we make the project the overall committee, and then just have different boards for each SIG, or can SIGs have their own projects?)
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I would like to get something in place for the Amateur Radio stuff - and further (if possible..) I would like to be able to set some custom workflows to fit our needs
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Also...I still see nowhere that infra requests or todo items are.. I've had a lot of free time, but still have no idea what needs to be done/or any guidance on getting started
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@Skyspook can probably answer ^
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We can create Jira projects, yes, just let us know what it should be called and who the project admin should be. I believe you can too @ealott 😉 I don't think we've prioritized a list, but I know we have a backlog for the calendar system if you want to get setup to develop. There's a PR I made to update it to what's in production, which also has a dockerized dev environment for quick startup - https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar/pull/125
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We can create Jira projects, yes, just let us know what it should be called and who the project admin should be. I believe you can too @ealott 😉 I don't think we've prioritized a list, but I know we have a backlog for the calendar system if you want to get setup to develop. There's a PR I made to update it to what's in production, which also has a dockerized dev environment for quick startup - https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace/calendar/pull/125
Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/9/2022 3:18 PM
Awesome. I think for now just calling it Amateur Radio is good - and maybe as me and the EE chair as Admin for now? I don't really have any issue if any other AR people want some admin... I'm not elected or anything in the SIG, I just am just going to be getting it set up and started. Also great! Didn't realize there was actually a GitHub or anything that could be worked on..I'll take a look around there. Thanks!
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Hey snowie, just so you know, severalbof the HAMS are not class extra, so we don't want to be in control so to speak. The SIG has needed a leader for years, so unless yiu want to take 2 stepsback, it's going to be you :),
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Hey snowie, just so you know, severalbof the HAMS are not class extra, so we don't want to be in control so to speak. The SIG has needed a leader for years, so unless yiu want to take 2 stepsback, it's going to be you :),
Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/9/2022 6:08 PM
I'm not extra (yet, ask me again after testing next month) but also I don't mind leading it -shrug-
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 1:52 AM
Do we have a keycloak instance (or similar) set up for having projects be able to have Oauth/SAML/link into the DMS auth system? (edited)
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 2:15 AM
Also out of curiosity (and I'm not trying to force a rewrite or anything) was there any specific reason we went with cake/php for calendar and things like that? Or was it just because its what whoever wrote it knew? (I just want to know if there are any special considerations to take into account)
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I believe that's what the person who wrote it knew
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and when you are getting volunteer labor/cheap labor you take what you get
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and when you are getting volunteer labor/cheap labor you take what you get
Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 2:24 AM
Yep okay no worries. Thats what I figured
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as for the rest of the questions
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 2:26 AM
lol
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 3:37 AM
I figure once Justin gets through my backlog of requests/quesitons for him he might now xD
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A. Spencer(jast) 1/11/2022 6:07 AM
cake php was the preferred environment of the developers, and despite many efforts by many volunteers in recent history (the last 5 years) to move away from it, it remains. we do use OKTA for sso/saml/oauth...kind of... "universal" Identity management is one more place DMS could use an overhaul. I also suspect that doesn't really address your question, and that when you and Justin chat he'll have better/more thoroughly applicable responses.
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 6:17 AM
Lol ok. The more I hear the more it's reminding me a little bit of my last job
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Okta is a free-level sso that is already maxed out on the 3 things we have it doing. @ealott and I are working on a a potential foss solution (Gluu) that may help tie our systems together. Right now most all platforms go directly against our AD with LDAP. I saw your requests, just haven't been able to get to them yet
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For new development we've been leaning towards python, just because there are a lot of people who know it (meaning we can get help), and it has a lower learning curve.
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Okta is a free-level sso that is already maxed out on the 3 things we have it doing. @ealott and I are working on a a potential foss solution (Gluu) that may help tie our systems together. Right now most all platforms go directly against our AD with LDAP. I saw your requests, just haven't been able to get to them yet
Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 11:28 AM
No worries. Thanks
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/11/2022 11:31 AM
Okta can't be used for more than G Suite due to licensing; we're on a legacy non-profit donation that only allows tying into one app (in this case G Suite directory). However, G Suite can be used as a SAML provider.
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which reminds me @A. Spencer(jast) drop me a line, I me, I have a SAML integration on one of my cloud accounts labeled "Discourse" and I recall somewhat way back I was fixing the discourse integration. Want to make sure it was moved over before I delete it and break something
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 11:39 AM
Okay. Otherwise, Keycloak is pretty darn easy to use and can also cascade SAML/Oauth iirc
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/11/2022 11:45 AM
G Suite OAUTH is nice for availability purposes, however some systems are harder to do line *nix which often need an integrator like JumpCloud unless you use some custom PAM modules that may or may not suddenly cease to exist. But those integrators can get hella expensive fast, so there's a separate system for SSH into things with a smaller user base. @Denzuko.sdf.org tried rolling out Hashicorp Vault and I tried FreeIPA but we never got both fully integrated for an apples-to-apples comparison and test in practice
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 11:56 AM
Yeah I think I've recommended goteleport or hashicorp boundary for SSH and access control stuff in the past here - they are both free and integrates with a bunch of stuff that we could use, including SSH access control/RBAC and all that. Our stack at my business is: OpenDJ - LDAP/Accounts Keycloak - For handling Oauth/SAML to other applications (using the OpenDJ LDAP as a user backing) Hashicorp Boundary - Infrastructure Access Control/auditing (This can also do application proxying with ACL and stuff for software that doesn't have its own auth, or should be kept 'internal'. They both also do K8s and SSH acl, and boundary does RDP too iirc (which could be useful here at DMS if we chose) I mostly was asking about the oauth stuff, because it would be convenient if people who wanted to help with projects and stuff could use that instead of needing to bind into LDAP directly (which obviously raises some concerns of if they should have access). Nice thing with oauth is that an admin can limit their scopes to make sure they don't break stuff or gain permissions to what they shouldn't.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/11/2022 11:59 AM
Nice thing about Google SSO is that it's a Zero-Trust system for a member to deploy something that uses it, but doesn't need any permissions / violation of security nor work by the DMS infra team to allow
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it deploys like any other Google SSO like one would use for personal forum logins etc, but server-side can say "only allow from @dallasmakerspace.org"
12:00 PM
if something were ready to deploy to DMS officially, then it could get the OAUTH credential management migrated to something owned by Infrastructure
12:01 PM
there's tons of ways to make it happen from CLI too, albeit a little more work.
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am I the only non-furry in tech now? 🤣
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 12:04 PM
yes
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likely
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keycloak probably makes the most sense for our setup, unless we want to pay for okta or similar
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I imagine most members have never even logged into gsuite
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 12:06 PM
I didn't even know we had one lol
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we probably need to draw up a rough architectural diagram
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 12:08 PM
mhm that would be nice too..
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I imagine most members have never even logged into gsuite
hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/11/2022 12:08 PM
The number increased after a lot of volunteer stuff started using it, and some things like the remote classes got people to start using it.
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also members with their own adobe accounts who don't want it to sync stuff to our computers when using them
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am I the only non-furry in tech now? 🤣
hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/11/2022 12:09 PM
I mean one of the AWS outages was suspiciously timed with the last day of MidwestFurFest when a large pool of tech furries were too hungover to do anything
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 12:09 PM
although tbf.. I think that was a double whammy, because it was also a day after re-invent finished
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so all the furries where at a con, and all the others where hungover af from reinvent (edited)
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when's the next infra meeting?
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 12:10 PM
no idea, haven't seen any mention about one yet
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I'm down to help get some stuff sorted out
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/11/2022 12:11 PM
well good luck with that since I won't be helping for a while lol
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lol that makes sense
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/11/2022 12:13 PM
should add that as a role tag but then might attract usage from some of the others who were in less savoury circumstances. (edited)
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 1/11/2022 12:51 PM
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@aceat64 I’m not a furry and I’m in tech too
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when's the next infra meeting?
A. Spencer(jast) 1/11/2022 3:40 PM
TBD. Preferences for date/time?
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pretty much any week day after 5pm works for me
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or anytime on the weekend
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/11/2022 4:30 PM
I'm available almost anytime after noon. Most weekends are fine except for this Saturday
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am I the only non-furry in tech now? 🤣
Denzuko.sdf.org 1/13/2022 7:34 PM
No but my kinks are a liitle different. Like cat6 o 9 tails ;)
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Or booting bsd on sparc32 with fpgas
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Denzuko.sdf.org 1/14/2022 12:53 AM
Wonder of the hive mind's wisdom can help. I got a mikrotik Hap2 router that's been sunddenly crapping out on bandwidth for 5g, rate dropping to 3 or 4Mbps on a configured 10mbps, and randomly rebooting. My ndis and seim proves its not someone messing with it. Plus bandwidth logs shows we're not even remotely using the full speed available or over ctowded with slower clients. Even had the isp techs out to do a debug and it came down to the router. Never going back to COTS Soho ap routers. So I'm wondering if it's just time to break out the AP, firewall, and router ubiquity, cisco asa, or upgraded mikrotik hardware. What do you guys think?
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Did you go to rOS v7 yet?
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9:46 AM
I'm still on 6.49.x (edited)
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/14/2022 1:26 PM
anyone know any good like visualization / diagramming as code software? Looking for alternatives to things like structurizer and such.
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Did you go to rOS v7 yet?
Denzuko.sdf.org 1/18/2022 4:07 PM
nope. 6.47.6 (stable) with a level 4 licence. still think its time to change out to better hardware. the RB4011 looks like a good option and I'll slap it behind a cisco 5505 asa
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Check out the RB5009, has 64bit core instead of the 32bit core of the 4011. It does give up having internal wifi.
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Denzuko.sdf.org 1/18/2022 4:39 PM
I was looking at that originally just as much as I'd love to ethernet at this site, wifi is a hard requirement since I cannot cut into the drywall to install new outlets or do mounts
4:39 PM
but good suggestion though 🙂
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 1/19/2022 9:50 AM
Kind of interesting project if you need to access web data without "normal" browser based scraping https://woob.tech/
Web Outside of Browsers
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lights are in for swapping
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/22/2022 9:52 PM
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My days work lol
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the not wiki is broken
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Rebooting it, it'll take about 5 for it to come back up
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It's java, so it probably needs a nightly reboot or something
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A. Spencer(jast) 1/23/2022 8:43 PM
hm. I logged in just now...
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8:44 PM
You're special I guess 😉
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A. Spencer(jast) 1/23/2022 8:44 PM
well, that's for sure
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maybe because i havent been to it in over a month or more?
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totally fresh load
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Nah, 524 is a full timeout - means it couldn't respond. My guess is that it was running out of memory. I thought it might happen eventually, as we're running it a bit light.
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is now 502
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Up now
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Definitely memory leak - getting warnings about it. I'll see about scheduling a daily reboot
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why are board meetings behind a log in now?
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It's java, so it probably needs a nightly reboot or something
Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/23/2022 10:16 PM
Oof. What arguments are you starting with ?
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/24/2022 2:09 PM
So not sure if anyone here has heard, but AT&T is rolling out its new 2.5 and 5Gbps Fiber internet plans to residential in Dallas area. (I know my apartment is qualified for it). Prices for 5Gbps are 180$/mo. They seem to be trying to simplify their pricing as well, and have supposedly gotten rid of data caps, equiptment fees, and the like.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/24/2022 3:40 PM
Did they put a data cap on the fiber since it was launched? Historically it hasn't had one, but I haven't been a customer of it for a couple years now.
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Did they put a data cap on the fiber since it was launched? Historically it hasn't had one, but I haven't been a customer of it for a couple years now.
Ion Snowie (D4rk) 1/24/2022 3:45 PM
I mean it was like in the couple terrabyte of data range... So honestly not really something I could be annoyed at.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/24/2022 3:54 PM
interesting they even added it; I was on the extremely heavy use side in that ballpark of I think 150-200TB (I mean ~300-odd TB is the limit one could do on a 1gbps line anyway)
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I used to run some of my F/OSS mirror cluster on the home line because I could without impacting my usage.
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the wiki alternative is really locked down and a lot of information is not available without a log in, for instance the expelled members list and board meetings. these should be publicly viewable, why arent they?
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 1/24/2022 5:52 PM
Who knows, but a member had to send me my own expulsion notice because of restrictions on information being pushed; needed the notice so that I could even know what "aggressive incidents" I was supposedly being expelled so I could pull up the audio recordings of what really happened. I know other former members that were waiting on committee minutes to show something get repaired/improved before they would rejoin DMS. I can't think of any logical reason that serves the interest of DMS to lock all this behind a members-only wall. It's antithetical to makerspaces as a whole, especially since DMS basically copied the open format of other spaces the same way spaces were doing so off us via the wiki (edited)
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not sure what problems that the switch to Jira is addressing at this point
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at least when it comes to org business
8:25 PM
I don't remember the last time I saw BOD agenda items posted for comment and development
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the wiki alternative is really locked down and a lot of information is not available without a log in, for instance the expelled members list and board meetings. these should be publicly viewable, why arent they?
lukeiamyourfather 2/3/2022 4:58 PM
Something something transparency
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there's a REST API somewhere that will return member info when given an RFID tag number, right? anyone have an example output from it?
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there's a REST API somewhere that will return member info when given an RFID tag number, right? anyone have an example output from it?
I couldn't find anything documenting the rest API (and would go so far as to say the code for it isn't in our GitHub) but I did find that the endpoint seems to be at http://192.168.200.32:8080/api/v1/lookupByRfid (call that with a payload of "rfid=" + member_id and content-type: "application/x-www-form-urlencoded") so you could get sample output yourself. There was also in the ad-lookup-kiosk this file which says it's a sample of the member data returned, but I can't confirm it's still relevant.
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I couldn't find anything documenting the rest API (and would go so far as to say the code for it isn't in our GitHub) but I did find that the endpoint seems to be at http://192.168.200.32:8080/api/v1/lookupByRfid (call that with a payload of "rfid=" + member_id and content-type: "application/x-www-form-urlencoded") so you could get sample output yourself. There was also in the ad-lookup-kiosk this file which says it's a sample of the member data returned, but I can't confirm it's still relevant.
thanks for digging into it, I'll try hitting that endpoint next time I'm at the space
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or maybe I can remember how to SSH in
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or maybe I can remember how to SSH in
ssh on port 2222 using your DMS credentials to physical.dallasmakerspace.org (ssh -p2222 username@physical.dallasmakerspace.org if you're on a *nix-based system)
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Ok cool, I'll try in a bit, thanks again
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there's a REST API somewhere that will return member info when given an RFID tag number, right? anyone have an example output from it?
SackOvRats (Brenly) 2/6/2022 3:21 PM
i think the REST API was shoved into "makermanager4" (or 3 idk) so its in the code on the github under that maybe? its the only part of that code that works.
3:22 PM
so curious which rooms have ethernet working? I sometimes do streaming and stuff and id love to be able to do it at DMS without bottlenecking the wifi
3:22 PM
i noticed the two front rooms dont have it anymore, which is fine, im sure yall have plenty of things you gotta do overall. need someone to run cable thru the ceiling or w/e ?
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 2/8/2022 11:31 PM
I've noticed some very strange responses sometimes from the lookupByRfid endpoint...:
  • even if it is a failed lookup (no one exists) the status is still a success with the usual success message
  • I can append letters onto either side of the tag id, and lookup still find me - I would expect it to be an exact match or complain about invalid RFID
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Anyone online that is an admin on MM3?
2:25 PM
Maker manager
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Does Makermanager4 badge disable work?
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Figured it out I was typing the URL makermanager.rfidinterlock.com and seems that is broken
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ssh on port 2222 using your DMS credentials to physical.dallasmakerspace.org (ssh -p2222 username@physical.dallasmakerspace.org if you're on a *nix-based system)
finally got around to testing this and it worked great! thanks again for finding that
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is there anyway for our moodle setup to show what classes/courses are available without logging in, but not let you take them unless you are logged in?
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 2/21/2022 11:02 AM
^ good idea for the moodle homepage
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hm, for me accounts and makermanger are the same. I recall that login also working on the domain. https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/for-the-love-of-god-why-does-every-new-login-create-a-problem/88361
I cannot login to my jump drive with my credentials that I use for talk, learn, etc… What do I need to do? Any thoughts.
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Ion Snowie (D4rk) 3/29/2022 6:37 PM
In person will join in a second
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Just trying to get projector setup
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Trying to get to the new source website, but it's timing out
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down for me as well
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@A. Spencer(jast)
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A. Spencer(jast) 4/2/2022 5:19 PM
looks like it needs a reboot, and I don't think I can get into there... @Skyspook around?
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eh
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now's up
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figures. I give up, it cooperates.
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What are the odds that the common room copier is up to printing ~500 pages tomorrow?
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the leased one? pretty good I'd hope
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I know people complain about it, but it doesn't seem to me that it breaks anymore than other printers/copiers I've delt with (edited)
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I think there might be something wrong with the session management for confluence? seems like I have to keep logging back in every time I go to it
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A. Spencer(jast) 5/4/2022 1:13 PM
Anyone in here familiar with this "lag" Beth mentions periodically?
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 5/4/2022 1:19 PM
not aware of that at all?!
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first I've heard of that
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A. Spencer(jast) 5/4/2022 1:43 PM
I’ve loaded the class. Since it’s my first November class, I set it up for honorarium, so it’ll be 72 hrs (3 days) before you can see it to register. I’ll post when it goes live. That should be after 8:30 pm on Sunday. Be aware that there’s a lag when a class first hits the Calendar. It’ll look open, but if you try to click on it, it’ll say...
Okay. I just loaded the class. It will take 72 hours from now (1pm 5/4) (that’s 3 exact days) to show up so that people can sign up. Also, there’s a small lag (maybe 15 minutes???) from when the class first pops up on the calendar until it’s actually open. Might be less, but that means we’ve got folks who are very quick on the trigger.
Check again Saturday evening. I think around 7:30?? Should be plenty of room in the HP Safety, at least. If it says something about closed, there’s a short lag between when you can first see the class, and when you can actually sign up for the class. So, give it … oh… maybe 15 minutes or so, and try again. Now, if it’s Sunday, and it says fu...
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I'm not sure how that would even happen, iirc there's a single datetime field that governs visibility
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A. Spencer(jast) 5/4/2022 1:44 PM
I just have no idea what's up with it. Can ask her where she's coming from, I guess...
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some helpful info to know: 1. Is it only for a class with honorarium? 2. Is there an error message? 3. Does the delay exist for classes that get approved manually or just ones that hit the time limit?
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if it was an hour delay I'd suspect a timezone issue, but 15 minutes is a weird time period
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A. Spencer(jast) 5/4/2022 1:59 PM
I am willing to chalk that up to "people 🙄 " and Beth's method of dealing is one option...
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lol yeah if it's not easily reproducible it could be anything, even just user confusion
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@A. Spencer(jast) or any calendar admins, do you suppose it would be possible to switch my reservation for GDG Dallas tomorrow from the lecture hall into the north lobby classroom? https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/18420 North lobby was booked at the time I made the reservation, but now it seems like the conflicting event was canceled. We have a lot of non-members show up and so it would be beneficial for us to be close to the front door. Thanks in advance!
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A. Spencer(jast) 7/19/2022 3:22 PM
Yes. it is done.
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Thanks very much!
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Say, does anyone know where the remote control for the Epson projector in the lecture hall is? I don't see it on the shelf
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It's always been in that room somewhere when I've used it. I last used it on the 14th and it was there and working normally then.
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time to superglue a neon streamer to it.
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Lol turns out I'm just blind, I was looking for a white remote heh
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Next thing is, where might the streaming cart be? I'm not seeing it in the common room. Maybe someone else is using it
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It's been in the front lobby conference room these days
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actionjackson 8/18/2022 6:20 PM
Hey guys, how do i join the infrastructure committee?
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A. Spencer(jast) 8/18/2022 6:28 PM
Connect with that @Evan Lott Evan guy and that @Skyspook Justin guy, get added to the chats, share drives, etc.
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actionjackson 8/18/2022 6:34 PM
Thanks @A. Spencer(jast)
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There should be a monthly meeting appearing on the event calendar for next week some time.
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actionjackson 8/22/2022 2:40 PM
Is there a meeting posted? I can’t seem to find it on the calendar.
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Not yet, no. @Evan Lott , any updates?
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The calendar seems to be down right now. See Error code 522. @Team_Infrastructure
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anyone ever bought from serversupply.com ?
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 11/4/2022 11:05 AM
Nope but have bought locally from https://www.theserverstore.com/
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 11/6/2022 1:20 PM
The server store is plain awesome.
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Any suggestions for a small home server for proxmox (I want to run a windows VM and lots of docker containers). Here's my priorities:
  • Small size - 1L or bit bigger
  • Core count ~ 6 with iGPU
  • RAM - 64 - 128 GB
  • Power consumption - 45-65W
  • Budget - 1K (can stretch a bit)
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 11/7/2022 1:37 PM
Something like a Dell 79xx workstation series from The Server Store is great for home use. Quieter than the server chassis, pretty cheap with good expansion room. I just took a peek and spec'd a 7910 with 2x Xeon E5-2630L V3 8c @1.8G procs, 64GB DDR4 Ram, and a boot SSD for $744 (I always assume I'm loading drives later). Bumping to 128G of ram pushes to a little under $900 However, that draws more power. Each of those procs has a TDP of 60W However, the smaller chassis will probably have a good balance if you like around. There are single proc systems there that I'm sure will fit your specs. On the other hand, you can also probably cram those specs into a NUC nowadays, but small form factor memory will be your limitation in cost and bus capacity.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium
Something like a Dell 79xx workstation series from The Server Store is great for home use. Quieter than the server chassis, pretty cheap with good expansion room. I just took a peek and spec'd a 7910 with 2x Xeon E5-2630L V3 8c @1.8G procs, 64GB DDR4 Ram, and a boot SSD for $744 (I always assume I'm loading drives later). Bumping to 128G of ram pushes to a little under $900 However, that draws more power. Each of those procs has a TDP of 60W However, the smaller chassis will probably have a good balance if you like around. There are single proc systems there that I'm sure will fit your specs. On the other hand, you can also probably cram those specs into a NUC nowadays, but small form factor memory will be your limitation in cost and bus capacity.
Decided to go with this combo .. let's see how long it lasts 😛 🤞🏽
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Anyone experimented with taking a used UPS and converting it to lithium?
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Robert
Anyone experimented with taking a used UPS and converting it to lithium?
What are the benefits of using lithium instead of lead acid in a UPS application? Or do you want to use it as a portable power bank? You would need a completely different BMS?
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Primarily the ability to drop to low state of charge without damage to the cell
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Also for my purposes lighter
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Lampy (Ken Purcell) 11/8/2022 4:57 PM
I think they make drop in lithium replacements for sealed lead acid by they are spendy
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damn now ya'll have me looking at replacing some of my cloud servers with actual hardware
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LiFePO4 has certainly come down in price.
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hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium 11/9/2022 9:04 AM
I'm holding out for NiFe batteries myself. Drop to bear zero and much higher numbers of cycles available
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I remember looking into those for a solar setup a while back, the only options were buying restored forklift batteries from a place in Montana or like one Chinese manufacturer that was making them new. If weight and volume aren't a concern though they seemed like a great choice.
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I'm liking flow batteries but that doesn't seem terribly viable for a residential use case
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Anyone experimented with taking a used UPS and converting it to lithium?
So a week later ... all the LFP batteries I see marketed as drop-in replacement for SLA/AGMs feature both abysmal rated maximum discharge rates and claimed reduced lifespan when charged with SLA chargers
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if you want to DIY it with 18650 cells you might realize better performance
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I think the market for SLA replacements is mostly the likes of trail cameras and deer feeders
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get into the larger formfactors and trolling motors seem to be another market although I do wonder if peak 2C discharge really cuts it in that field
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get into the larger formfactors and trolling motors seem to be another market although I do wonder if peak 2C discharge really cuts it in that field
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Denzuko.sdf.org 11/19/2022 11:56 PM
Got a challenge for you guys. What's a good low power machines to use for a virtual machine farm (xcp-ng for plan9, k9s, and Windows 10 gaming instances) that is not rpi and can run off a 10amp 12gauge wiring without tripping breakers all the time or being more costly than aws at 18 cents a kwh??? Intel nuc, laptops, or something else?
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I recently got this config .. working great so far:
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So a week later ... all the LFP batteries I see marketed as drop-in replacement for SLA/AGMs feature both abysmal rated maximum discharge rates and claimed reduced lifespan when charged with SLA chargers
Ended up with 2 hours from SLA and I am happy with that
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again coming to the conclusion that replacing SLAs every 24 months is unfortunately the most cost-effective solution at present time
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