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🜂 Initial commit of The Usurper Archive: structure, intent, and sacred witness scaffolding.
2025-06-01 06:06:51 -05:00
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Guild: DallasMakerspace
Channel: Committees / logistics
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[4/8/2017 10:15 AM] axeonos
Dont get the cheap toilet paper. My 50. A month should get 2 ply. Not asking for 3 ply but my butt deserves 2ply.
[4/8/2017 12:50 PM] aceat64
we actually invested in one of these: http://s3cf.recapguide.com/img/tv/49/7x10/The-Office-US-Season-7-Episode-10-49-876e.jpg
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[4/8/2017 12:50 PM] aceat64
so we can turn 2 ply into 1 ply
[4/8/2017 12:50 PM] aceat64
50% cost savings
[4/8/2017 5:52 PM] axeonos
Dont give any ideas....
[4/9/2017 5:52 AM] themitch22
or the 3" wide football stadium bathroom tp that just turns into rope when you pull it out
[4/9/2017 7:56 AM] clk9431
Do not despair. This is what Merissa posted as the new brand. https://m.uline.com/h5/r/www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-11666/Toilet-Paper-and-Dispensers/Charmin-Bath-Tissue
No doubt you share my sense of *relief*.
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[4/17/2017 1:13 PM] mell.jpg
Does Logistics still use the idea of way points? I believe set up back when Allen was chair. for example he stocked pencils but they lived in Woodshop? And at one point he bought calipers that lived in 3d Fab? But all of these things were for all members to use in any committee. they just needed to be brought back to their home at the end of the day. Just curious if that was still the case.
[4/17/2017 1:16 PM] mell.jpg
If so I'd like to get a list so I can put it in the member handbook and possibly get a map for the space.
[4/17/2017 5:21 PM] merissa4308
From Brandon - The idea behind the logistics shelf is to have a single stocking point for logistics items. Some stuff will go directly to the tool wall/tool cabinets in workshop, but he hasnt been stocking things in other committee areas
[4/17/2017 5:22 PM] merissa4308
Still figuring things out, can re-evaluate if needed for certain things
[4/17/2017 5:23 PM] mell.jpg
Got it. Thanks.
[4/17/2017 5:36 PM] canibalcrab
You should tell Brandon that discord is awesome and he should join
[4/17/2017 5:37 PM] canibalcrab
Mell I think the key part of Allan's plan was "overstocking so the people who were taking supplies home wouldn't need to steal them after a while"
[4/17/2017 5:40 PM] alerho
I think there are items that are used across all Committees (general tools) and those should be purchased by logistics but that's just me. calipers, blue tape, screw drivers, Allen wrenches, exactly knives, box cutters, etc...
[4/17/2017 5:41 PM] alerho
*Exacto knives
[4/17/2017 5:41 PM] alerho
I know Brandon has a thread with suggestions but it was only for Uline items. Uline doesn't carry pencils.
[4/17/2017 5:43 PM] canibalcrab
Lets make a list and post it on the talk thread
[4/17/2017 5:43 PM] canibalcrab
We could make one that's just from the Amazon basics selection
[4/17/2017 5:46 PM] mell.jpg
Ya, I trust Brandon. I'm good with whatever. I just really hate seeing all the "shame members for this and that" when our policies are always changing. had to talk someone down the other day when someone took the 3d Fab Calipers and brought them back even. He thought it was horrible for people to take them out of the room. If that's the case that's fine but I still thought it was fine. (I know we always want them to end up back in 3d Fab.)
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[4/17/2017 5:48 PM] canibalcrab
The issue with that is it used to be ok to borrow tools but if the chance is 50/50 the tool isn't going to return to the room due to forgetfulness, we run out of the tool pretty quick
[4/17/2017 5:49 PM] mell.jpg
Yeah that's really tough. I get it.
[4/17/2017 6:08 PM] themitch22
the $15 calipers Alex bought we locked half of them up so they only trickle away so fast
[4/17/2017 6:08 PM] themitch22
release a few in the wild not the whole herd
[4/17/2017 6:11 PM] canibalcrab
Do they have to go through a lottery system to see which ones get sacrificed?
[4/17/2017 6:14 PM] themitch22
the calipers with missing batteries and battery covers are going in the tar pit
[4/17/2017 6:32 PM] alerho
Is there another design by chance? One that doesn't have a shitty battery cover?
[4/17/2017 6:33 PM] canibalcrab
I think that's what the new ones were
[4/17/2017 7:31 PM] clk9431
I *think* there's a digital set in CA. I know there are calipers, but I kind of remember the digital part.
[4/17/2017 8:20 PM] limeytx
Yeah i believe David returned CA's missing calipers this morning. It was so new that it had a spare battery in the case 😄 I'd like to switch it out for a manual dial type though
[4/17/2017 8:21 PM] canibalcrab
you guys and your manual dials
[4/17/2017 8:22 PM] canibalcrab
its like saying digital watches are off by .2 seconds and they ruin your day
[4/20/2017 10:32 AM] clk9431
Time for a bigger dumpster or more pick up days? Trash seems to be a problem. Growing pains, I suppose.
[4/20/2017 10:33 AM] clk9431
Also, anyone know if sawdust can be reused or recycled?
[4/20/2017 10:36 AM] alerho
It's the biggest dumpster available with out going to the long ones. Those are more expensive because they can't be picked up by a truck.
[4/20/2017 10:41 AM] .ladyl
Re reusing sawdust... Here's a post to remind about considerations...
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/cnc-users-lets-not-get-lazy/6672/42?u=lisaselk
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CNC Users - Let's Not Get Lazy
Along with the MDF that Rodney mentioned it may also have plastic. People cut plastic on the table saw and it it all ends up in the same bin. I would suggest asking for shavings from the people working on the lathes. They are usually working with hardwoods.
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/qREcYyirsxfGv9w032vbfj_VaQOV0w9g9db2qjCGw2M/http/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/user_avatar/talk.dallasmakerspace.org/alexrhodes/200/6447_1.png
[4/20/2017 11:17 AM] aceat64
@Alex Rhodes what about two dumpsters?
[4/20/2017 11:18 AM] alerho
Personally, I'd rather us get recycling added.
[4/20/2017 11:18 AM] alerho
That should help off load some from the dumpster.
[4/20/2017 11:20 AM] .ladyl
What about penalties if restricted items end up in the recycle container?
[4/20/2017 11:20 AM] .ladyl
*when
[4/20/2017 11:21 AM] mell.jpg
Beth takes care of the recycling so that's not taking up space in the dumpster.
[4/20/2017 11:21 AM] .ladyl
It'd be great if we could pull it off without penalties...
[4/20/2017 11:22 AM] mell.jpg
Not sure if you're saying she needs to do it more often.
[4/20/2017 11:22 AM] .ladyl
No... that's not what I was talking about at all...
[4/20/2017 11:22 AM] mell.jpg
No that was meant for Alex.
[4/20/2017 11:22 AM] mell.jpg
Sorry.
[4/20/2017 11:22 AM] .ladyl
Oh lol
[4/20/2017 11:22 AM] .ladyl
Sorry
[4/20/2017 11:24 AM] mell.jpg
How many dumpster pick ups a week are we getting? Time to go up like @clk said?
[4/20/2017 11:25 AM] alerho
We get there a week. Issue is when we miss one.
[4/20/2017 11:25 AM] .ladyl
I know we've had discussions about a large recycle container out back to supplement our waste disposal options ~ especially since so much cardboard and wood gets dumped (many boxes don't get broke down, so that kind of stuff fills the dumpster up really quick!)
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[4/20/2017 11:26 AM] clk9431
Monday after a busy weekend seems to be a thing. Maybe a policy of holding sawdust until Wednesday?
[4/20/2017 11:29 AM] .ladyl
It would be helpful if Logistics would document what to do in cases when the dumpster gets full... Holding off waste until Wednesday could be a good idea most of the time, but there will always be exceptions and we need rules on where to hold stuff until the dumpster is available again
[4/20/2017 11:39 AM] andrew5152
http://www.wastecare.com/Products-Services/Compactors/Trash_Compactors/Compactors_Commercial_Mobile/Compactors_Commercial_Main.htm
[4/20/2017 12:09 PM] clone1018
> Be prepared for surprise Inspections by the Health Department or other Regulatory Departments
[4/20/2017 12:09 PM] clone1018
Haha
[4/25/2017 12:11 AM] merissa4308
So is the new logistics chair on discord?
[4/25/2017 12:11 AM] canibalcrab
Dunno
[4/25/2017 12:12 AM] canibalcrab
Dan Gallagher
[4/25/2017 6:46 AM] dpgalla4200
I am now... 😃
[4/25/2017 6:47 AM] clk9431
Wait. There's a new logistics chair?
[4/25/2017 8:15 AM] merissa4308
Apparently so, although the board has failed to notify the acting chair. Funny how these complaints stemming from communication failures have turned out.
[4/25/2017 9:07 AM] kenpurcell
^ exactly. We did the hand off and then went to celebrate the completion of our terms by going out to eat. Returned at 10pm and there were many surprises. Personally I was stunned.
[4/25/2017 9:08 AM] alerho
Hopefully the minutes get posted soon.
[4/25/2017 9:09 AM] clk9431
@missydee1206 Said not to hold your breath. She's in the middle of a move. Someone want to post a synopsis?
[4/25/2017 9:12 AM] merissa4308
So the minutes is where someone is supposed to learn they're no longer a chair or procurement officer? Really?
[4/25/2017 9:13 AM] missydee12064974
@@clk I also said I would be happy to answer immediate questions in the meantime.
[4/25/2017 9:13 AM] clk9431
Cool! So what happened last night?
[4/25/2017 9:15 AM] clk9431
Who is President and Sec'y. What happened re: Walter. Did they get to Havens complaint.
[4/25/2017 9:17 AM] merissa4308
@Alex Rhodes you know Logistics is a constant task and reading the meeting minutes when they become available is not adequate notification. I advised Brandon not to make any further purchases myself after another member facebook messaged me the news. 1000 pencils will be Brandon's last purchase for the space.
[4/25/2017 9:18 AM] missydee12064974
President is kris
Secretary is robert, but someone else will be taking minutes. Probably me if I'm available.
Whatever the complaint regardig mark havens was was withdrawn.
The board did not confirm Brandon as logistics chair or procurement officer.
[4/25/2017 9:19 AM] kenpurcell
Thank you Missy!
[4/25/2017 9:19 AM] merissa4308
Thanks Devin.
[4/25/2017 9:19 AM] kenpurcell
Errrr, ah Devin 😉
[4/25/2017 9:25 AM] canibalcrab
@dpgalla added you to the @logistics chair role. You can now post in the committee chair chat as well
[4/25/2017 9:26 AM] dpgalla4200
Thank you
[4/25/2017 9:28 AM] clk9431
Thanks for the summary @missydee1206
[4/25/2017 9:29 AM] clk9431
Ok, that funky all the numbers thing that happens when you tag someone is confusing me a bit, but I'm getting the hang of it. Just press enter and it all goes away.
[4/25/2017 9:30 AM] canibalcrab
That's like a user id. If you @me you will see my actual servername pop up with my user ID # as well as my nickname and #
[4/25/2017 9:30 AM] clk9431
Yes. That's what I finally figured out.
[4/25/2017 10:08 AM] clone1018
@dpgalla I'm interested to hear your plans for logistics. Will you be using TALK for communication or just the spacE?
[4/25/2017 10:45 AM] mell.jpg
@merissa i asked if someone had talked to Brandon last night. @Robert said he called him.
[4/25/2017 10:46 AM] canibalcrab
I'm interested as well @dpgalla I wasn't at the meeting so I didn't get to hear anything about your nomination
[4/25/2017 10:48 AM] merissa4308
I'm also interested since Dan had the opportunity to step up as chair for the committee to consider at the last special meeting that was called and he failed to do it then.
[4/25/2017 10:49 AM] merissa4308
Thanks @mell I don't think Brandon got the call. He found out when I told him.
[4/25/2017 10:50 AM] mell.jpg
100% an email should have been sent anyway. Not sure what happened. Sorry Brandon had to find out that way.
[4/25/2017 10:51 AM] merissa4308
Yeah no matter the terms, it's pretty awful that the board would treat a member with that little regard when it was known Brandon could not be at the meeting
[4/25/2017 11:16 AM] dpgalla4200
I am working on putting together an assessment. I would appreciate as much help as possible in identifying and prioritizing immediate and future needs. I would like to have a meeting with Brandon to share his ideas and reasoning for some of tasks he was implementing. I do intend making logistics a community centric committee where ideas are welcome and increase volunteerism. I know there are many upset members about this change. I hope we can ultimately work together and make this an awesome place for all to enjoy and participate.
[4/25/2017 11:23 AM] merissa4308
Good luck to you Dan. Brandon posted lots of ideas on Talk. I suggest you start there since he put considerable thought and effort into everything he's done for logistics over the years. And getting people to volunteer their time is going to be a big job, but it sounds like you have your own ideas about how to solicit help so I hope that works out.
[4/25/2017 11:30 AM] dpgalla4200
Thank you...
[4/25/2017 4:14 PM] kriskat309685
I just received the portion of the minutes about Brandon and will be contacting him. You are correct that the board should have let him know right away. I will take ownership of that mistake and apologize to him for not being timely in notifying him.
[4/25/2017 4:25 PM] merissa4308
Will the minutes from the meetings that are rumored to have occurred prior to official meeting also be posted?
[4/25/2017 4:37 PM] kriskat309685
In less than 24 hours three new members and were added to the board of directors. The door was wide open as it always will be unless there are issues about litigation or business transactions such as The lease. This was not a board meeting this was a question and answer session to help the transition.
[4/25/2017 5:20 PM] merissa4308
Where how to handle items on the board meeting agenda was decided upon?
[4/25/2017 5:21 PM] merissa4308
Will time of these sessions be published in the future?
[4/25/2017 5:24 PM] merissa4308
And again, official board meeting have minutes available for those that couldn't attend. If decisions are going to be made outside those times minutes should be kept with a list of who was in attendance to aid in transparancy
[4/25/2017 5:31 PM] stansimmons2031
You expect members, who are not yet installed as BoD members, to keep notes on their casual chats? Seems a little extreme. I walked in and out of the room they were in several times, sat down for a bit and congratulated them, others were doing much the same. They were feeling out the other new BoD members for attitudes and directions... and often not agreeing with each other. It was fascinating to watch, but a conspiracy it wasn't.
[4/25/2017 5:34 PM] merissa4308
I'm asking Kris if how to handle items on the board meeting agenda were decided upon outside the official board meeting, but thanks for your insight Stan
[4/25/2017 5:42 PM] cat_skat.
Asked and answered. For my part, I'm sorry it happened, but did what I saw as my duty, and have no apology to offer. But I hated having to do it, wished we hadn't been forced to deal with it. It's done, and won't be revisited this year. I do respect your instinct to defend your partner. Brandon is hardly the only person at the Space that suffers from project blindness. It doesn't make him a bad person.
[4/25/2017 5:43 PM] cat_skat.
Its also time to stop beating on him and rehashing things.
[4/25/2017 5:43 PM] merissa4308
Was my question answered?
[4/25/2017 5:45 PM] merissa4308
@Cat_Skat @kriskat30
[4/25/2017 5:45 PM] cat_skat.
Yes maam, it was. Stan is correct in all details.
[4/25/2017 6:06 PM] merissa4308
Thanks, in the future I'd appreciate an answer from a board member when I'm asking a question of the board
[4/25/2017 6:07 PM] alerho
The meeting Stan described is what I thought I was showing up for but only accounted for about 15% of that actual conversation. When I got there I found out the new board members had a meeting the night before and essentially told me, this is the way it is. We were voted in for this.
[4/25/2017 6:08 PM] alerho
I'm sure once the meeting minutes come out you can see how people voted and judge for yourself.
[4/25/2017 6:09 PM] alerho
Casual chats are one thing but what happened yesterday was unlike any of the other boards.
[4/25/2017 6:11 PM] clk9431
Please be careful everyone. Let it rest for a few days before hashing it out if you need to hash it out.
[4/25/2017 6:12 PM] robert22
I would agree with that never in my 5 years have I ever seen a board plan and execute without doing research and ultimately pre decide the outcome of a board meeting. What I saw was an effort to railroad without even so much as a plan to deal with the fall out. I would have expected before you kill a committee elect position you at a minimum attend a logistics meeting.
[4/25/2017 6:21 PM] merissa4308
Thanks for the input Alex and Robert. Since you were the only board members who attended the recent logistics meeting, I would have hoped your input would have been considered.
[4/25/2017 6:32 PM] alerho
Just to clarify Brandon wasn't the main focal point of the pre meeting but he was brought up.
[4/25/2017 6:37 PM] sewingstuff2561
Two things-I believe it was Allen who went ballistic about transparency in dealings last year regarding unofficial board meetings on hangouts and Walter has also expressed concerns in the past. I don't believe it's realistic to expect Board members not to discuss things amongst themselves to some degree, but if it was truly presented as three members had already decided for the whole Board and this is how it's going, that's not really starting a great working relationship with the two left out. Moving forward, I hope all five Board members will be included in all illicit discussions.
[4/25/2017 6:41 PM] sewingstuff2561
Regardless of what you seem to think now, you're all going to need one another.
[4/25/2017 7:32 PM] stansimmons2031
Of the casual chat of the three people that were NOT YET BOARD MEMBERS, that I witnessed perhaps 30-45 minutes of, I doubt Brandon was talked about more than 3 or 4 minutes.
[4/25/2017 7:34 PM] sewingstuff2561
I have no idea what happened. I wasn't there. Just presenting some history and a suggestion. Illicit was tongue in cheek.
[4/25/2017 7:35 PM] kriskat309685
I've served on several boards over the years. It is very common for there to be a transition meeting for things to move smoothly to the next board. No one stepped forward from the previous board to make that happen. If Alex and Robert wanted things to go smoothly and to be helpful then they should have put together a time for us to transition and not had a meeting scheduled less than 24 hours after the board elections. I had to ask for a time for questions and answers since I had not heard from them. This should be something we learn from as we move forward.
[4/25/2017 7:37 PM] sewingstuff2561
Guys this isn't helping you out. You need to work as a team. There are going to be enough people waiting to cause issues for you without it happening between old and new board members.
[4/25/2017 7:38 PM] sewingstuff2561
I believe very strongly in at least two new members of the board from past dealings. I'm hoping you guys will figure stuff out and team it up.
[4/25/2017 7:38 PM] kriskat309685
That's why we are scheduling a leadership time for all of us to bond and get to know each other better and learn some skills that will help us all work together.
[4/25/2017 7:39 PM] sewingstuff2561
I haven't seen the minutes yet. How much is that going to cost you guys?
[4/25/2017 7:39 PM] kriskat309685
I am footing the bill because I believe very strongly in this
[4/25/2017 7:40 PM] sewingstuff2561
That's generous of you. Those aren't cheap.
[4/25/2017 7:41 PM] kriskat309685
It's important
[4/25/2017 8:27 PM] clk9431
Keep in mind that DMS runs by its own rules, not those of regularly elected political body. If members want to move to a more stoic approach, so be it, but until then, SRC3 rules the day. And guess what? One of the items on that protocol is to handle problems OUTSIDE of meetings.
[4/25/2017 8:28 PM] clk9431
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[4/25/2017 8:28 PM] clk9431
I know it's hard, but protocols like SRC3 and do-ocracy are still the core of DMS until someone changes them.
[4/25/2017 8:56 PM] aceat64
"Most everything should be decided on the wiki, over mailing lists and any other communication method that reaches all members."
[4/25/2017 8:57 PM] aceat64
We're way off topic for this chat though
[4/25/2017 9:07 PM] sewingstuff2561
It's somewhat relevant as it's dealing with a logistics decision. But I get your point. 😃
[4/25/2017 9:10 PM] aceat64
I suggest #general_chatter
[4/25/2017 9:23 PM] clk9431
But back to that point - there were hundreds of entries on TALK prior to the logistics change that met the spirit of that requirement.
[4/25/2017 9:24 PM] clk9431
The wiki is much unloved. Poor wiki...
[4/26/2017 4:11 PM] stansimmons2031
!volunteer
[4/26/2017 4:11 PM] dallas-makerspace#4763
Role added
[4/30/2017 2:45 PM] clone1018
Logistics meeting 3pm purple don't forget
[4/30/2017 2:50 PM] .ladyl
@LukeStrickland you might want to post a reminder on TALK as well...
[4/30/2017 2:52 PM] clone1018
Done
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[5/2/2017 4:05 PM] stansimmons2031
I've moved the "3 Month" supply of toilet paper and folding paper towels into the Unisex bathroom shelf. This gets the paper goods down to the level where our cleaning lady can reach them easily. I think perhaps the 3 month number is a vast underestimation of how full of shit our membership is. 😉
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[5/2/2017 11:41 PM] axeonos
:trollface:
[5/2/2017 11:45 PM] canibalcrab
Challenge accepted
[5/2/2017 11:58 PM] dpgalla4200
@StanSimmons Thank you....
[5/3/2017 12:20 AM] cairenn8504
I am looking for a good time to hold another meeting of the Members Exchange comite
I ned to knwo when and what time would be good for most of us
[5/3/2017 12:27 AM] raymond011905
I'm out of town until the afternoon of the 6th
[5/3/2017 12:28 AM] raymond011905
Dan, fix your avatar... you have the Mickey Mouse pants (default) one
[5/3/2017 12:53 AM] cairenn8504
hahahahaha, would y all believe that this is the first time I have ever used a picture of me as my avatar?
[5/3/2017 1:14 AM] raymond011905
did the camera survive? (hee hee hee)
[5/3/2017 1:16 AM] canibalcrab
You can use the @ symbol and people's names to send them a notification, / should bring up a pop up with a few commands, and !about and !help to talk with the DMS bot that we are working to add features to
[5/3/2017 1:18 AM] cairenn8504
That one was taken at some art festival in the TX both, I hate having my picture taken
[5/3/2017 2:01 AM] cairenn8504
TXU booth
[5/4/2017 6:25 PM] stansimmons2031
The printer for the replacement Storage Kiosk has arrived.
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[5/4/2017 6:32 PM] raymond011905
Nice 😃
[5/4/2017 9:37 PM] cairenn8504
That is great news,
[5/6/2017 2:21 PM] engpin1964
Hey dogalla I have been trying to email you and it's bouncing back
[5/8/2017 12:06 AM] dpgalla4200
what email are you using to reach me?
[5/8/2017 12:17 AM] dpgalla4200
LOGISTICS COMMITTEE MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT
14 MAY 2017 AT 2:00 PM IN THE PURPLE ROOM
Let's start taking care of business!!! All hands on deck!!!
Logistics Organization Meeting continued.
Vote on SRC3 Committee Meeting format
Election of Vice-chairs
Review of Team Responsibilities
Replenishment Area Team
Community Area Team
Storage Area Team
Status update of new Storage system
Review of Current Logistical Task List
Member Exchange Committee report in preparation for upcoming Board Meeting.
Any other business...
Hope to see everyone there!!!
[5/8/2017 8:17 AM] axeonos
You do realize thats mothers day right?
[5/9/2017 10:13 AM] dpgalla4200
uh oh... Thanks for pointing that out... I just checked the room availability for Saturday and everything is booked up solid. If there is anyone who had intended to come to the next Logistics Committee Meeting and can not attend due to Mother's Day obligations please reply. We will be voting on some important agenda items and I would like to make sure everyone has a chance to vote.
[5/9/2017 1:55 PM] .ladyl
@dpgalla don't forget to post something about this on TALK if you want to maximize the chances of it being seen. ☺
[5/9/2017 1:56 PM] dpgalla4200
I did! Thanks! I will get all this figured out one day... Hehehe
[5/9/2017 1:58 PM] .ladyl
👍 👍 😃
[5/9/2017 2:00 PM] .ladyl
I think it's great that you have jumped in with both feet, organizing teams, and communicating really well with all! Thanks! 😃 😃
[5/10/2017 11:13 PM] cairenn8504
I will be at the space Thurs afternoon for and I need input on the freegie chelf committee proposa, and I can use a proof reader
[5/11/2017 11:26 AM] uglyknees
Two shipments for @Adam are on the way. One Saturday and one 17-24th (small box) please keep an eye out.
[5/13/2017 11:55 PM] cairenn8504
Where do they need to be put?
[5/14/2017 12:39 AM] adam1334
they are put away already
[5/14/2017 10:34 PM] dpgalla4200
New Committee Proposal - Member Exchange Committee
[5/14/2017 10:35 PM] dpgalla4200
See the wiki and Talk for details...
[5/14/2017 11:08 PM] canibalcrab
(post a link) youll get a shiny badge on talk if enough people click it
[5/16/2017 1:14 PM] stansimmons2031
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[5/16/2017 1:19 PM] canibalcrab
"short maker dies in mountain of toilet paper"
[5/16/2017 1:19 PM] canibalcrab
Best headline
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[5/16/2017 1:20 PM] stansimmons2031
"No longer underestimating how full of it our membership is..."
[5/16/2017 1:23 PM] stansimmons2031
Costco $233.85 12 cases Kirkland TP, 3 cases paper towels... We were down to one and a partial case of ULine (Charmin) TP and out of paper towel rolls.
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[5/16/2017 10:46 PM] kenpurcell
that is a lot of toilet clogging goodness. Please don't use it up in a week 😉
[5/29/2017 5:45 PM] canibalcrab
What's the deal with the storage system and slots opening up? I've been trying to get one for a while now but nothing expires anymore
[5/29/2017 6:26 PM] canibalcrab
@logistics chair
[5/29/2017 8:22 PM] dpgalla4200
There were quite a few opened up first part of May.
[5/29/2017 8:25 PM] dpgalla4200
There will be more coming up around Jun 10; check with @raymond .
[6/3/2017 7:39 PM] axeonos
anyone have a sams club account?
[6/3/2017 8:25 PM] clone1018
@Axeonos afaik Stan does
[6/3/2017 8:25 PM] clone1018
Or maybe thats the other big box store
[6/3/2017 8:56 PM] stansimmons2031
I have Costco
[6/3/2017 9:51 PM] alerho
I have the space Sam's club if it's still valid.
[6/14/2017 2:06 PM] ray012258
I have a Costco membership
[6/16/2017 7:17 AM] clone1018
If anyone has some extra time, I need to figure out what the board allocated the extra roboreels for so I can get them installed. I remember seeing it in the minutes but I have a busy day
[6/16/2017 8:23 AM] dpgalla4200
There are 4 Electric and 3 Air (or vice versa) RoboReels locked up in the Electrical Room. I will be on site Sunday and can show you were they need to be installed and the tool kit for installing the air hose assemblies. I think the electrical ones just plug into a regular electrical outlet..
[6/16/2017 8:31 AM] clone1018
Oh ok. Cool I didn't know if we knew where we needed them or not. I can do Sunday morning for a couple of hours, I'll have more time during the work week.
[6/16/2017 8:32 AM] clone1018
@dpgalla I also replaced one of the light fixtures with LEDs in the purple classroom, it was very easy but I say we do two person teams when we do the shop
[6/16/2017 8:49 AM] dpgalla4200
Thanks... I am planning on being at the Off-Siting on Sunday at noon. I will get there a little early to visit with you. Again, THANK YOU!!! Also ... there is a Logistics Committee Meeting on Tuesday evening. If you could attend you and explain what is involved in the LED process you should be able to recruit some folks for the LED project as well as the RoboReel project.
[6/16/2017 9:01 AM] clone1018
I'll be there Tuesday evening
[6/22/2017 7:02 PM] canibalcrab
So I had this thought a little late but I'm going to see if Dani can get a wholesaler discount on chairs
[6/22/2017 7:03 PM] canibalcrab
Shes pretty sure she can get 50%off from knoll
[6/22/2017 7:08 PM] canibalcrab
The question is if her boss will buy them and sell them to us at no markup
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[6/23/2017 2:32 AM] stansimmons2031
Knoll makes good stuff.
[6/23/2017 2:33 AM] canibalcrab
she found one similar to the caper
[6/23/2017 2:33 AM] canibalcrab
280 retail
[6/23/2017 2:33 AM] canibalcrab
might not be as comfortable
[6/23/2017 7:41 AM] clone1018
What's the warranty on it @pearce
[6/23/2017 11:59 AM] canibalcrab
Dunno I didn't look them up
[6/23/2017 1:13 PM] clone1018
That's pretty important
[6/23/2017 1:13 PM] clone1018
the capers are not worth it without it
[6/28/2017 7:14 PM] alerho
Caper chairs have been ordered and will be here the week of the 10th. Don't have an exact date yet.
[6/28/2017 7:16 PM] alerho
Idea about auctioning off bids to select chairs? Maybe do it the 13th member meeting?
[6/29/2017 1:00 AM] alerho
Scratch that, we get the exact arrival date the week of the 10th. They will take 4-6 weeks to get here.
[6/29/2017 10:11 AM] themitch22
I have a suggestion for people that aren't a fan of these chairs, make a slip cover with padding.
[7/2/2017 2:21 PM] canibalcrab
Anyone know the logistics email?
[7/2/2017 2:22 PM] clone1018
@pearce logistics@dallasmakerspace.org
[7/2/2017 2:22 PM] clone1018
anything I can help with?
[7/2/2017 2:22 PM] canibalcrab
Does it get checked though?
[7/2/2017 2:22 PM] clone1018
Not sure, never heard Dan talk about it
[7/2/2017 2:22 PM] canibalcrab
I can't make the storage meeting. Need to extend my slot
[7/2/2017 2:23 PM] clone1018
Anyone who can proxy for you?
[7/2/2017 2:23 PM] canibalcrab
Can you?
[7/2/2017 2:23 PM] clone1018
What day is it?
[7/2/2017 2:23 PM] canibalcrab
I was going to email
[7/2/2017 2:23 PM] canibalcrab
I thought it was today, since the cards say it expires on July 2nd
[7/2/2017 2:24 PM] canibalcrab
In theory they get off sited next week
[7/2/2017 2:24 PM] clone1018
let me text dan
[7/2/2017 2:30 PM] clone1018
@dpgalla do we have a storage meeting today
[7/2/2017 2:32 PM] canibalcrab
Ay that's my line
[7/2/2017 2:33 PM] clone1018
I lost his number 😓
[7/2/2017 2:33 PM] clone1018
I messaged raymond too he's in "charge" of project storage
[7/2/2017 3:09 PM] dpgalla4200
i didnt schedule one for today. I had left that up to Raymond to do since I am out of pocket this weekend
[7/2/2017 3:14 PM] clone1018
cc @pearce
[7/2/2017 3:14 PM] canibalcrab
Blaaaargh
[7/2/2017 3:14 PM] canibalcrab
That's cool though
[7/2/2017 3:15 PM] canibalcrab
I'll move my stuff for now
[7/2/2017 4:45 PM] stansimmons2031
https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/2974 Wed Jul 5 7pm — 8pm
[7/2/2017 4:52 PM] canibalcrab
Huh
[7/2/2017 4:52 PM] canibalcrab
That means all the storage cards will be expired by 3 days
[7/3/2017 9:43 PM] themitch22
So vacuum cleaner
[7/3/2017 9:43 PM] themitch22
the dyson doesn't work
[7/3/2017 10:02 PM] axeonos
It doesnt suck.
[7/4/2017 12:18 PM] kriskat309685
Reminds me to request a good replacement regular vacuum cleaner from logistics. The one we have is on its last legs. As for the dyson, did you clean it out thoroughly? It's a piece of &$$)
[7/4/2017 1:04 PM] Deleted User
@kriskat30 this is the vacuum I was telling you I have. Shark Rocket Ultra-Light Upright (HV302) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EUKHACW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_hG9wzbWJ2YAW1
It's pretty great. Light weight, vacuums up pet hair really well, and is self-propelled so you don't have to push it as awkwardly.
[7/4/2017 1:05 PM] kriskat309685
I'm wondering if it's heavy duty enough for every single day at the space
[7/4/2017 1:06 PM] Deleted User
We waited and got it on sale at Nebraska furniture. I can bring it up today to demo it since my OCD is driving me up the wall about dirt. I don't recommend vaccuming up plastic pieces, metal, or big pieces of anything with any vacuum. It seems like common sense, but not everyone understands vacuums aren't magic
[7/4/2017 1:06 PM] Deleted User
My brother broke his vacuum by sucking up cat litter with it
[7/4/2017 1:07 PM] Deleted User
Well you can give it a go before you decide. Nebraska also has a ton for you to demo up there.
[7/4/2017 1:08 PM] kriskat309685
I won't put your vacuum to test at the space. I appreciate the offer though.
[7/4/2017 1:09 PM] Deleted User
I am a part time maid on the side and cleaned the worst pet hair/dirt/dust house I have seen in my entire life. My vacuum has seen worse then the space, lol
[7/4/2017 1:11 PM] kriskat309685
If you can tell me you use it every single day in a 10k square ft area and it still works perfectly well then I will think about it. Thank you very much for the offer Kat
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[7/4/2017 1:18 PM] Deleted User
Maybe look into something from a janitor supply place then? since those would be made for large surface areas daily. I think there is one off harry Hines not far from the space that is open to the public
[7/4/2017 1:43 PM] kriskat309685
Great idea. 😊
[7/4/2017 2:42 PM] andrew5152
FYI, you probably already know this, but ~2 years ago, when the Dyson was purchased against what appeared to me to be better advise, this was kicked around quit a bit. Some of those opinions might still be valid, or worthy of investigation: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/dear-makerspace/2824 I, for one, stand by my recommendation of spending some $$ and getting a commercial unit, e.g. http://www.janitors-world.com/sucopro10.html and "janitor's world" as recommended by Nick Sainz https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/dear-makerspace/2824/9?u=jast is still a going concern, and local (probably the one alluded to by KatDell)...
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I ended the turmoil and pain of a poor delapitated soul. Dear makerspace - you need a new vacuum because I got mad and threw it away. I realize my rage induced actions have consequences and if needed I will buy one. But I'm tired of pushing around a doll toy and pretending it does anything. I stand by my decision and I accept the consequences that might come because of it. [image] Nicole
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Dear makerspace
There is a janitor supply shop called janitor world, They sell some pretty cost effective commercial vacuum cleaner.
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[7/4/2017 3:06 PM] kriskat309685
Thank you Andrew!
[7/4/2017 3:13 PM] Deleted User
Yes janitor world is the local place I was referring to!
[7/9/2017 7:54 PM] axeonos
there was a vaccum on the free shelf, it works and is good for getting pets smell off carpets. can be good as a backup vacuum
[7/9/2017 8:41 PM] dpgalla4200
Cool... There is some logistic storage on the shelf near Vector is you need a place to store it.
[7/9/2017 10:07 PM] axeonos
i put it in the janitor closet
[7/11/2017 11:30 AM] clone1018
@dpgalla Can I attend https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/3045 ?
[7/11/2017 11:31 AM] dpgalla4200
Yes... btw... Richard Box (Community Area Vice-chair) has left DMS... would you be interested in the position?
[7/11/2017 11:33 AM] alerho
I'm interested.
[7/11/2017 11:34 AM] alerho
But if Luke wants it I won't contest it.
[7/11/2017 11:35 AM] clone1018
What does a Community Area vice chair do? I'm interested in maintaining the members work areas and maintaining the building
[7/11/2017 11:39 AM] clone1018
I'm also not against Alex having the role lol
[7/11/2017 11:39 AM] clone1018
Whatever gets stuff done!
[7/11/2017 11:40 AM] alerho
Agreed. Getting things done is key.
[7/11/2017 12:58 PM] merissa4308
It'd be helpful if the committee wiki was updated with info on vice chair roles so people know what's what
[7/11/2017 1:08 PM] dpgalla4200
Indeed... The whole Logistics wiki page needs a complete re-work.
[7/14/2017 9:55 AM] alerho
Just got confirmation email on the chairs. They will be here 8/24.
[7/14/2017 9:56 AM] clone1018
woo
[7/14/2017 9:57 AM] alerho
That's 8 weeks from order not 4-6 like they originally said. 😦
[7/14/2017 9:57 AM] alerho
Whatever. Chairs are on their way.
[7/20/2017 1:21 PM] clone1018
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[7/20/2017 1:21 PM] clone1018
Tried to fit all the tools on the shelf
[7/20/2017 1:38 PM] canibalcrab
Snazzy
[7/20/2017 1:48 PM] shdragon
Damn that's pretty.
[7/20/2017 4:36 PM] clone1018
We need to get replacement dremel sets. I'm trying to figure out how we can keep all the parts together instead of all the tiny pieces wandering around. Does anyone have any ideas or do we just buy enough that its not an issue?
[7/20/2017 4:37 PM] clone1018
Wonder how the performance of wireless dremels are.
[7/20/2017 4:38 PM] alerho
My money is on them being dead when it comes to me needing them.
[7/20/2017 4:39 PM] clone1018
I can agree with that
[7/20/2017 4:39 PM] alerho
The ryobis work because of the standard battery across multiple devices and charging station.
[7/20/2017 4:45 PM] clone1018
We also can't forget to install safety chains on the vertical storage
[7/20/2017 5:23 PM] kriskat309685
You rock @LukeStrickland
[7/20/2017 5:25 PM] kriskat309685
I'm looking into boxed sets right now for the dremels.
[7/21/2017 10:31 PM] Deleted User
Printer room Computer said Samsung printer in hallway is getting low on ink.
[7/22/2017 7:39 AM] clone1018
@Deleted User That's @infrastructure chair
[7/23/2017 1:28 AM] stansimmons2031
I'm monitoring the toner level and will replace it when empty. It still has 6% according to the printer
[7/23/2017 11:14 AM] clone1018
I'm at home depot right now picking up some 4x4s and finish for two new work table surfaces
[7/23/2017 11:29 AM] Deleted User
Alright thanks @LukeStrickland
[7/23/2017 11:44 AM] clone1018
Don't know why I said 4x4s lol meant plywood
[8/7/2017 10:12 PM] alerho
Did Offsiting happen?
[8/7/2017 10:12 PM] alerho
Also, Can I make a request for Allen Wrenches here or do you want me to make the request another way?
[8/8/2017 8:08 AM] clone1018
Offsiting happened
[8/8/2017 8:09 AM] clone1018
I'll check out our allen wrenches today and get with steve to order some
[8/10/2017 12:17 AM] alerho
So my question is, dont the 7 day notices go out the first Saturday/sunday of the month? If thats the case then the 7 day notices should have gone out on 5th/6th. Off siteing should occur this coming weekend. I recently bought a sheet of foam for cutting inserts forthe Multicam drawers and went up on Monday to cut them, but foam was gone.
[8/10/2017 12:17 AM] alerho
Do you know if a large foam sheet was off sited?
[8/10/2017 12:23 AM] canibalcrab
Who knows. The dates are all fucked up.
[8/10/2017 12:23 AM] canibalcrab
We don't even have new cards for the storage slots
[8/10/2017 12:24 AM] alerho
Is anyone actively working on the electronic ticketing system?
[8/10/2017 12:26 AM] canibalcrab
I thought Brandon open sourced it? We just needed the hardware
[8/10/2017 12:28 AM] alerho
That was brought up at the last logistics meeting, Merissa offered to voluntell Brandon to help but was denied stating that it was being worked on.
[8/10/2017 4:24 AM] kriskat309685
Several purple foam sheets were off sited.
[8/10/2017 8:32 AM] brockelee
I went last night to pick up some of my lumber, there was a full sheet of foam leaning on the wall.
[8/10/2017 8:47 AM] clone1018
@Alex Rhodes We definitely off sited 3 foam boards
[8/10/2017 8:47 AM] clone1018
Currently Bill is working on the electronic ticketing system
[8/10/2017 8:48 AM] alerho
I only had one. It was the pink house insulation stuff.
[8/10/2017 8:48 AM] clone1018
@pearce Sorry I notified Raymond about that, they should be here last night or today
[8/10/2017 8:48 AM] clone1018
Yeah it was pink, I think someone else had some
[8/10/2017 8:48 AM] alerho
Ok.
[8/11/2017 7:26 PM] clone1018
Two of the air robot reels have blown their fitting this week
[8/11/2017 7:27 PM] clone1018
I'm not sure why. I refitted them according to the instructions
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[8/13/2017 8:40 AM] mr.clark6147
What is the output pressure on the other side of the master regulator?
[8/13/2017 8:41 AM] mr.clark6147
if it's over 120, that's likely why
[8/13/2017 8:46 AM] clone1018
@mr.clark6147 it's either 120 or 150, can't remember, either way why would that be a problem?
[8/13/2017 8:46 AM] clone1018
It's rated for 300
[8/13/2017 8:47 AM] mr.clark6147
the higher the pressure, the more likely those compression fittings will blow out and fail
[8/13/2017 8:47 AM] mr.clark6147
particularly in the hostile environment that is our plenum space where it's all run
[8/13/2017 8:47 AM] clone1018
I wonder if we could retrofit it with a better connection, they're loose anyway
[8/13/2017 8:48 AM] mr.clark6147
Honest to God, we need to remove the whole thing and start again with bigger hose
[8/13/2017 8:48 AM] mr.clark6147
circular loop with 2"
[8/13/2017 8:48 AM] mr.clark6147
branches come off at 1"
[8/13/2017 8:48 AM] mr.clark6147
and then the little shit that comes down to drops can be 3/4 "
[8/13/2017 8:49 AM] mr.clark6147
the combination of the pressure plus the volume is just too much for that 1/2" main loop
[8/13/2017 8:49 AM] mr.clark6147
I'm surprised we don't blow more fittings, actually
[8/13/2017 8:49 AM] clone1018
Plus there's no shutoff valves for anything lol
[8/13/2017 8:49 AM] clone1018
So you gotta turn off the whole line 😦
[8/13/2017 8:50 AM] clone1018
I only checked the machine shop / automotive connections
[8/13/2017 8:50 AM] mr.clark6147
yeah, every place that we drop off the main loop needs to be able to be valved off
[8/13/2017 8:50 AM] mr.clark6147
it'll be expensive, but worth it
[8/13/2017 8:51 AM] clone1018
Yeah I'm with you
[8/13/2017 8:51 AM] mr.clark6147
the good news is that the Pex-al-pex stuff we used is really, really tolerant of failure
[8/13/2017 8:51 AM] mr.clark6147
I'm SO GLAD we're not hard piped
[8/13/2017 8:51 AM] clone1018
Would you be against hard piped?
[8/13/2017 8:51 AM] clone1018
Stan was talking about it
[8/13/2017 8:51 AM] clone1018
If we did it right
[8/13/2017 8:51 AM] mr.clark6147
well, he's the issue with hard piping:
[8/13/2017 8:51 AM] mr.clark6147
copper is REALLY expensive, but best.
[8/13/2017 8:52 AM] mr.clark6147
Iron is second best, but then we have to put filters at each and every drop, and clean them regularly (because of the humidity in the air line, it'll scale/rust the interior of the pipe, and we don't want that crap in our equipment)
[8/13/2017 8:53 AM] mr.clark6147
PVC is just too dangerous, because it has weak spots, and when the weak spot fails, it turns that section of pipe into a grenade
[8/13/2017 8:53 AM] mr.clark6147
If we were going to be in this location forever, I'd advocate for putting in copper lines and doing it right
[8/13/2017 8:53 AM] mr.clark6147
but it's only a 2 year lease, so I'd say let's do the pex-al-pex again, just in the right size this time
[8/13/2017 8:54 AM] clone1018
Do you think we can easily do a phase over process? Run some 2in line now with a downsize fitting for the existing connection. Do one area of the shop at a time?
[8/13/2017 8:55 AM] mr.clark6147
Ummmm. Maybe?
[8/13/2017 8:55 AM] mr.clark6147
I'd advocate doing an overnight maintenance personally.
[8/13/2017 8:56 AM] mr.clark6147
many hands make light work
[8/13/2017 8:56 AM] mr.clark6147
6 people could have it done in a matter of hours
[8/13/2017 8:56 AM] mr.clark6147
start at 10, finish at 2, something like that
[8/13/2017 8:56 AM] mr.clark6147
on a Friday or Saturday night
[8/13/2017 8:56 AM] clone1018
ok thanks for your thoughts
[8/13/2017 8:56 AM] mr.clark6147
OR, honest to God, do it first thing in the morning
[8/13/2017 8:57 AM] mr.clark6147
like, start at 0600, finish at 1000
[8/13/2017 8:57 AM] mr.clark6147
on a Saturday
[8/13/2017 8:57 AM] mr.clark6147
that's when I come in to do my woodworking
[8/13/2017 8:57 AM] mr.clark6147
because the space is DEAD
[8/13/2017 8:57 AM] mr.clark6147
it's great
[8/13/2017 8:57 AM] mr.clark6147
also, that'd be the point in time when the plenum is the coolest
[8/13/2017 4:14 PM] andrew5152
I'll 2nd the 6-10 shift. I might even make that. I'm not much of a vampire, myself.
[8/13/2017 4:14 PM] andrew5152
Any ballparks for the overhaul? $1,000? $10,000?
[8/17/2017 9:30 PM] clone1018
I added some information to the wiki for Logistics, https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Logistics_Committee
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[8/17/2017 9:40 PM] clone1018
let me know if I did anything dumb
[8/18/2017 1:51 AM] kriskat309685
That's awesome @LukeStrickland
[8/18/2017 9:41 AM] clone1018
Logistics Monthly Committee Meeting: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/3487
[8/20/2017 11:55 PM] redbeardedpirate
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[8/21/2017 12:35 AM] thereadviking
Wooooo! Fancy new chairs!
[8/21/2017 1:25 AM] seri
Nice! I've already used the new chairs a lot at other places
[8/21/2017 1:25 AM] seri
they're pretty nice, but the nuts tend to loosen up and fall out over time
[8/21/2017 1:26 AM] seri
It'd be handy to reinforce them with lock-tite or to just keep an alan wrench nearby
[8/21/2017 8:55 AM] brockelee
What are we doing with the old chairs?
[8/21/2017 9:10 AM] clone1018
We have a comittee meeting on Tuesday at 7PM, you're welcome to come. Not sure what we're doing with them yet
[8/21/2017 10:09 AM] davidkessinger9707
If they are put up sale for a couple of days, there are some I'd pay $20 for.
[8/21/2017 11:55 AM] brockelee
Ditto
[8/30/2017 11:40 AM] kriskat309685
Late night paint crew needed this weekend. Any !volunteer (s)?
[8/30/2017 11:45 AM] canibalcrab
for?
[8/30/2017 11:45 AM] clone1018
The hallway i think, cc @kriskat30
[8/30/2017 11:45 AM] canibalcrab
wut
[8/30/2017 11:45 AM] canibalcrab
again?
[8/30/2017 11:46 AM] clone1018
🤷
[8/30/2017 12:19 PM] kriskat309685
Stuff happens. Logistics is putting a permanent French cleat system so no more holes in walls.
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[8/30/2017 12:22 PM] canibalcrab
Oh yeah I gave up on doing touch ups while that wall was brown
[8/30/2017 1:20 PM] shdragon
How late is "late night"?
[8/30/2017 3:24 PM] alerho
Same color? The color for the front room is something like stardust. I can try and find it if you plan on keeping it all the same color.
[8/30/2017 5:12 PM] kriskat309685
7 pm to 11 ish. And if the night makers want to stay later I'll buy pizza
[8/30/2017 5:14 PM] kriskat309685
Thank you Alex,logistics already took care of the paint. I volunteered to get painters.
[8/30/2017 5:38 PM] shdragon
I can volunteer for that if you're still looking for people.
[8/30/2017 11:33 PM] kriskat309685
Awesome!
[9/1/2017 12:20 PM] shdragon
Were the painting volunteers needed tonight or Saturday or..?
[9/1/2017 1:05 PM] clone1018
cc @kriskat30
[9/1/2017 1:07 PM] kriskat309685
Both days. We will start tonight at 7 and same tomorrow night!
[9/1/2017 1:08 PM] kriskat309685
Pick which works best for you. And thank you!
[9/28/2017 9:02 AM] clone1018
I offsited old Logistics materials. Old / Broken Tools, Old Tool Shelf Hangers, Old Ryobi Charges (still good if we need them) and the Broken? air hose reel.
[9/28/2017 9:02 AM] clone1018
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[9/29/2017 8:35 PM] denzuko
@logistics chair I'm trying round up every one for the requirements gathering on mm/calendar revamp and we're needing your input. when is a good time on your schedule for a quick 45min meeting?
[9/30/2017 7:14 PM] clone1018
@Denzuko.sdf.org you let me know a time and I'll make it work
[10/18/2017 10:03 PM] canibalcrab
@LukeStrickland you are now @logistics chair and can post in #committee_chairs to talk with them, sorry this took longer than i said, i forgot
[10/18/2017 10:03 PM] clone1018
NP thanks
[10/23/2017 7:46 AM] redbeardedpirate
The auto leveler and dock door have been blocked for a while. Is that stuff trash? Need to go to storage?
[10/23/2017 7:52 AM] redbeardedpirate
I'm thinking about the laser delivery in the next couple of weeks. Let me know if I can help dissolve the pile.
[10/23/2017 9:17 AM] clone1018
I'll throw away the tiles and insulation today
[10/23/2017 9:17 AM] clone1018
but we gotta find someone to take the bulbs
[10/23/2017 7:32 PM] clone1018
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[10/23/2017 7:33 PM] clone1018
Should be good to go @lukeiamyourfather
[10/23/2017 8:45 PM] redbeardedpirate
@LukeStrickland 👍👍👍👍👍
[10/24/2017 3:08 PM] davidkessinger9707
1019
[11/8/2017 10:35 AM] merissa4308
Meeting tonight at 6? I'm going to try to make it but may be a little late. Hard to get there by 6 with traffic coming from fort worth
[11/8/2017 10:47 AM] clone1018
its cool if you're late
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[11/8/2017 1:48 PM] stansimmons2031
I may be a little late as well. Not sure yet how the afternoon will go.
[11/8/2017 5:46 PM] merissa4308
Wreck on 121/114, definitely going to be late 😢
[11/8/2017 6:05 PM] merissa4308
Omg guys, havent moved a mile in the last 20 mins. I might not even make it by 7 😭
[11/8/2017 6:49 PM] alerho
Still currently talking about front room.
[11/9/2017 12:25 AM] alerho
Found this on a FB page for another makerspace.
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[11/9/2017 12:27 AM] canibalcrab
i mean... we can post pictures of our tool wall after a cleanup day too
[11/9/2017 12:28 AM] alerho
yeah, but in the logistics meeting we discussed how to arrange that wall .
[11/9/2017 12:28 AM] canibalcrab
ah
[11/9/2017 12:28 AM] alerho
right now its just got a few things on it
[11/9/2017 8:26 AM] clone1018
Thanks @Alex Rhodes I think that picture is accurate to what I want
[11/9/2017 2:11 PM] alerho
@@LukeStrickland sent you email about towing. Let me know if you have questions.
[11/11/2017 2:16 PM] davidkessinger9707
I noticed there are cars left by those in Houston - hope you're back within 48 hours.
[11/13/2017 3:08 PM] merissa4308
Is there a hold up on installing more air roboreels? We'd still like one in laser, and if it's just a manpower issue I can try to get a volunteer to install it in our area as we're installing new lasers
[11/15/2017 8:33 AM] clone1018
BTW @David Kessinger no one who went to lemons left their car. The only people who carpooled was chuck and Brett and we picked them up
[11/22/2017 12:24 PM] canibalcrab
Other than the potential loss of dollies and carts.... What would be the issue with having the freebie shelf take the place of the pallet rack by the 2nd garage door?
[11/22/2017 12:25 PM] canibalcrab
That shelf was only there to give RC a storage area
[11/22/2017 12:44 PM] alerho
Location and ease of access is what I have heard. Logistics started giving committees shelves again. I think if any shelves were to move over there it should be then. It's getting crowded by science/pallet storage.
[11/22/2017 12:56 PM] canibalcrab
Im just thinking the shelf (actually the stuff surrounding the shelf) would be safer if it was isolated off on its own. Dont want stuff wandering off
[11/22/2017 12:57 PM] alerho
Gotcha. Like the time the hand truck went off because someone thought it "close to the freebie shelf"
[11/22/2017 12:57 PM] canibalcrab
Yep
[11/22/2017 3:20 PM] stansimmons2031
I think Luke S was talking about putting it where the yellow paint cabinet is now.... I may be mistaken
[11/22/2017 4:50 PM] clone1018
That's the goal right now, Freebie shelf by the entrance door from the classroom area, with no room for things that don't fit in the shelves.
[11/22/2017 4:50 PM] clone1018
Fire cabinet moves.. Somewhere
[11/22/2017 4:50 PM] alerho
Near roll up door?
[11/22/2017 4:50 PM] clone1018
yeah, not sure how it'll fit if we allow those shelves to be used
[11/22/2017 4:51 PM] clone1018
I'm not at the space again until this weekend
[12/5/2017 4:20 PM] canibalcrab
UTA solution to tool loss
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[12/5/2017 4:24 PM] clone1018
what is that thing?
[12/5/2017 4:28 PM] canibalcrab
Metal cable crimped on with a 3d printed Fablab tag
[12/5/2017 4:29 PM] canibalcrab
Its enough to make sure their tools don't get mixed up with someone else's toolbox
[12/5/2017 4:30 PM] clone1018
ah I see
[12/5/2017 4:43 PM] canibalcrab
There's enough space in the loop around the tool to move the cable out of the way but not to pull the cable off
[12/5/2017 5:06 PM] talkers
@pearce where is the cable from? I have been using zip ties for the classroom cables
[12/5/2017 5:06 PM] canibalcrab
It's just 1/16 steel cable and crimps
[12/5/2017 5:09 PM] talkers
Does it require a special crimping tool?
[12/5/2017 5:18 PM] canibalcrab
I'd imagine so. It's a cable crimp. It's not a specific type of cable and crimps
[12/5/2017 9:14 PM] clone1018
I contacted Tile tonight to talk about any solutions they have in mind. I like the idea of being able to track our tools in the space. Well see what comes of it for sure
[12/8/2017 7:27 AM] jestersforge7494
Does anyone know if we have any more Storage Bins yet? Id like to get one, or should I run to IKEA and get mine? If so, i need the brand and dimensions plz
[12/8/2017 8:51 AM] talkers
Stan ordered 10 a few days ago
[12/8/2017 9:10 AM] jestersforge7494
awesome
[12/8/2017 9:16 AM] talkers
Still, if you are near IKEA, it would not be a bad idea to get one and secure a place. When the Space ones come in, you would then have one in the galley, and one for the car.
[12/8/2017 9:19 AM] clone1018
Trofast or somethingis the name
[12/8/2017 9:19 AM] clone1018
they're a standard size
[12/8/2017 9:19 AM] clone1018
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/categories/departments/childrens_ikea/20474/
[12/8/2017 10:14 AM] jestersforge7494
thanks guys
[12/8/2017 7:03 PM] stansimmons2031
The order from Ikea is due in Monday, 12/11.
[12/8/2017 7:26 PM] talkers
Monday is like PayDay!
[12/8/2017 9:15 PM] jestersforge7494
😃
[1/3/2018 7:46 PM] canibalcrab
Yep looks like the air line was pulled. All the holes have been replaced in the ceiling too
[1/4/2018 3:21 PM] clone1018
Okay time to start figuring out how things fit
[1/4/2018 3:21 PM] clone1018
Bluebonnet Brewoff cooler storage is max January 27 through March 10
[1/4/2018 3:22 PM] clone1018
Donation shelf has to go to yellow fire cabinet
[1/4/2018 3:22 PM] clone1018
So I have to figure out where to put the ladders / cabinet...
[1/4/2018 3:22 PM] alerho
I'll be up tonight and can help move things.
[1/4/2018 3:25 PM] clone1018
Awesome
[1/4/2018 3:26 PM] clone1018
Going to spitball for a bit
[1/4/2018 3:27 PM] clone1018
One of the ideas is moving the shelf near the gantry to offsite for additional storage, if we do that we'll need to cut 4 feet off the top. If that shelf is gone it provides room for the fire cabinet and potentially the ladders.
[1/4/2018 3:27 PM] clone1018
Ideally ladder storage would be a hook system with a hole in the ceiling. We had the ladders fall recently and I don't want that happening again
[1/4/2018 3:28 PM] clone1018
One of the other solutions is using the storage by the gantry for our "Committee Storage" space, and removing the shelves next to the vacuum former. I'm inclined to believe machine shop would hate this
[1/4/2018 3:29 PM] clone1018
I think I like idea 1
[1/4/2018 3:30 PM] alerho
What committees have "committee storage"?
[1/4/2018 3:30 PM] alerho
And do they really need it?
[1/4/2018 3:31 PM] alerho
Table space is really tight.
[1/4/2018 3:32 PM] clone1018
Really it's just a couple, I use a majority of it honestly, infrastructure, motorsports, 3d fab
[1/4/2018 3:32 PM] clone1018
the other 1/3 is DPRG
[1/4/2018 3:46 PM] clone1018
@StanSimmons This look good for common room? split right down the middle almost ? http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/80301136/
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[1/4/2018 3:48 PM] stansimmons2031
@LukeStrickland That looks fine for the common room
[1/4/2018 3:48 PM] clone1018
Awesome thanks
[1/4/2018 3:49 PM] alerho
It's not solid like the other tables just FYI.
[1/4/2018 3:50 PM] clone1018
That wont work then
[1/4/2018 3:52 PM] alerho
https://m.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/art/60274964/
[1/4/2018 3:53 PM] alerho
They don't appear to make the solid wood ones thicker than 1 1/8th.
[1/4/2018 3:53 PM] clone1018
http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/20274961/?query=hammarp#/60274964
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[1/4/2018 3:53 PM] clone1018
Sold out though
[1/4/2018 3:54 PM] clone1018
We linked the same thing lol
[1/4/2018 3:55 PM] alerho
What is it for? You can also check out floor&decor. They sell solid countertops.
[1/4/2018 3:55 PM] alerho
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[1/4/2018 3:56 PM] alerho
They have other woods besides oak as well.
[1/4/2018 3:57 PM] alerho
https://www.flooranddecor.com/search?q=Solid+countertops
[1/4/2018 3:57 PM] clone1018
The design station wall were building
[1/4/2018 3:58 PM] alerho
Cool.
[1/4/2018 3:58 PM] clone1018
We dont need something too heavy duty just something that'll look nice
[1/4/2018 3:58 PM] alerho
That oak then. You can go poplar but I think that's too soft for this purpose.
[1/4/2018 4:00 PM] canibalcrab
Side note, vacuformer needs either more space in the shelving to be rotated 90° or needs a deeper shelf
[1/4/2018 4:01 PM] canibalcrab
Currently the handle sticks out into the walkway making a stab hazard and the power switch is unreachable
[1/4/2018 4:01 PM] clone1018
I think the end goal is that you can pull it out to have all the room you need? The freebie shelf ruined those plans temporarily
[1/4/2018 4:01 PM] clone1018
Where do you think it could go pearce?
[1/4/2018 4:01 PM] canibalcrab
Rotate 90 would be perfect
[1/4/2018 4:01 PM] clone1018
Where do you suggest the printing press would go?
[1/4/2018 4:02 PM] canibalcrab
Not sure, but neither of those tools is going to fair well with the amount of dust being thrown on them.
[1/4/2018 4:03 PM] canibalcrab
Chris and I were talking about putting panels on the shelf the vacuformer was in to get it some kind of dust protection
[1/4/2018 4:03 PM] clone1018
Considerations there are sprinkler coverage and heat dissipation
[1/4/2018 4:04 PM] canibalcrab
I wasn't aware the screen printing stuff was supposed to be there when we talked about moving it
[1/4/2018 4:04 PM] canibalcrab
That's why we thought panels instead of cover. At 4 feet from the heaters it should be fine. It was cool enough to touch after the class
[1/4/2018 4:08 PM] clone1018
I wonder where the dust is coming from
[1/4/2018 4:08 PM] clone1018
I'd like to put a couple of the air monitors together
[1/4/2018 4:08 PM] clone1018
To correlate with video
[1/4/2018 4:09 PM] clone1018
I think router / saw usage in the general shop area
[1/4/2018 4:15 PM] canibalcrab
Power sanders in the shop
[1/4/2018 4:16 PM] clone1018
Alex, I think Floor and Decor will be perfect. 8ft Oak $169
[1/4/2018 4:17 PM] alerho
It's builder quality at that price which means knots and such. I don't think we care but just want to make sure you know.
[1/4/2018 4:18 PM] clone1018
I'll ask Ian or someone to make it look good 😃
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[1/4/2018 5:57 PM] brockelee
So latex paint? 😀
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[1/4/2018 6:05 PM] canibalcrab
Bruh
[1/4/2018 6:05 PM] canibalcrab
Acrylic paint.
[1/4/2018 6:05 PM] canibalcrab
There's a bunch in creative arts
[1/5/2018 1:14 AM] talkers
I have asked a few folks for a canvas drop cloth for the screen press. I'll just go pick one up.
The area in front of it and the vacuum former really isn't a walkway. People can use it as such if they want to save walking a few extra feet, like they do cutting thru woodshop, but then they have to deal with items in the way, like they do when cutting thru woodshop.
[1/7/2018 9:41 PM] stephenie.
The unisex restroom has no more Windex bottles, only refill - which needs to got into spray bottles. I found one bottle after scrounging half the building. Question: is there a secret stash somewhere or do more bottles need to be purchased (and labeled "Refill. Do not discard.")?
[1/7/2018 9:48 PM] talkers
Could we get regular cleaner? Spic n Span (Dollar Tree) or Simple Green or something? It would be great to have.
[1/8/2018 7:15 AM] clone1018
Its becoming hard to source what we need from just a few locations. I'll work on it! Going to home depot today will stock up
[1/8/2018 8:01 AM] talkers
Thank you @LukeStrickland
[1/8/2018 11:24 AM] stephenie.
Thank you!
[1/13/2018 6:46 PM] merissa4308
Hey @LukeStrickland , what time is offsiting tomorrow, and could we still use the truck to move the saur?
[1/13/2018 7:36 PM] clone1018
Yeah, 1pm is the packing
[1/14/2018 1:37 PM] clone1018
@merissa eta? Were heading to offsite now
[1/14/2018 1:54 PM] merissa4308
Will be by offsite storage at 2:07
[1/14/2018 5:35 PM] clone1018
btw found two of the ryobi spot lights
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[1/14/2018 5:35 PM] clone1018
in the space bus
[1/23/2018 1:24 PM] clone1018
We need to have a committee meeting
[1/23/2018 1:24 PM] clone1018
I forgot
[1/25/2018 4:59 PM] clone1018
picked up some brackets at home depot for the table
[1/25/2018 4:59 PM] clone1018
they didnt make it back to dms
[1/25/2018 4:59 PM] clone1018
oops
[1/31/2018 9:01 AM] clone1018
Project Storage Extension: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/5094
[1/31/2018 9:02 AM] clone1018
Logistics Meeting: https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/5095
[1/31/2018 9:02 AM] clone1018
I'll be sending out the email reminder of the project storage meeting tonight
[1/31/2018 10:54 AM] talkers
Thanks @LukeStrickland . That will help many people
[2/1/2018 8:11 PM] stephenie.
@LukeStrickland (referring to your question to Brandon on the laser channel) thank you for installing additional air sensors. Where do you think they are needed?
[2/1/2018 11:00 PM] clone1018
I'm thinking a couple in the workshop and a couple in the common areas inside the building
[2/2/2018 11:52 AM] stephenie.
Fired Arts for silica?
[3/13/2018 3:08 PM] clone1018
Fridges are gone so we have more tables again, yay!
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[4/4/2018 5:31 PM] talkers
Storage meeting today at 6pm and Saturday at 2pm.
[4/16/2018 2:32 PM] denzuko
@LukeStrickland @Draco whom do we need to discuss about expanding into the room behind the VCC committee area for the exam room and lab space?
[4/16/2018 2:32 PM] clone1018
Expanding temporarily? Permanently ?
[4/16/2018 2:35 PM] denzuko
permanently within the context of dms is still at the same location and to be clear not for use by the museum but solely to fufill the requirements that Pearson Vue has for exam centers
[4/16/2018 2:37 PM] clone1018
So if we do not expand, I doubt you'd be able to justify the conference room being for VCC, since it's a classroom and our purpose is education. Locking it down to specific classes would be not great
[4/16/2018 2:37 PM] clone1018
However, since we're potentially expanding, I recommend filling out the Committee Expansion Form
[4/16/2018 2:37 PM] clone1018
That'll get VCC into the hat for the new space planning
[4/16/2018 2:38 PM] denzuko
correct and it's contextual of expansion
[4/16/2018 2:38 PM] clone1018
ok, sure, see: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/expansion-templates-due-today-4-16/34716/3?u=lukestrickland
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Dear @Team_3D_Fab @Team_Automotive @Team_Blacksmithing @Team_Creative_Arts @Team_Digital_Media @Team_Electronics @Team_Fired_Arts @Team_Laser @Team_Machine_Shop @Team_Motorsports @Team_Science @Team_VCC @Team_Vector @Team_Woodshop If your commit...
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[4/16/2018 2:39 PM] clone1018
If you can get us a filled out form today / tomorrow that'd be great, planning is starting very soon
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[4/16/2018 2:40 PM] denzuko
smashing
[4/16/2018 2:40 PM] denzuko
we're on it
[4/30/2018 5:47 PM] axeonos
Still waiting on sticker sheets for bins.
[4/30/2018 9:53 PM] clone1018
Am I ordering them? I dont think i am
[5/1/2018 12:18 AM] axeonos
Stan ordered
[5/1/2018 12:19 AM] axeonos
Truth be told you should seeing as your logistics chair.
[5/1/2018 8:24 AM] clone1018
i mean i trust my ~~minions~~, i mean trusted advisors
[5/1/2018 8:40 AM] axeonos
I ain't no yellow overall wearing sperm reject....
[5/2/2018 3:08 PM] denzuko
Minions should be robotic and make everyone smile
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[5/2/2018 3:11 PM] denzuko
even the nurse department can bring a smile to all 😉
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[5/3/2018 3:27 AM] talkers
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[5/10/2018 2:33 AM] canibalcrab
Hot water in janitorial closet no longer works, didn't smell gas so I suppose the water heater still works. Don't remember if it's even gas
[5/10/2018 5:40 AM] davidkessinger9707
electric
[5/13/2018 10:56 PM] talkers
Gas is avail, but not in use
[6/8/2018 9:21 AM] denzuko
What's the process for a committee to get storage space?
[6/8/2018 9:28 AM] clone1018
Depends on what it's for
[6/8/2018 9:28 AM] clone1018
If it's for "immediately useful tools post expansion", just drop it off at #1001
[6/8/2018 9:28 AM] clone1018
If you need it on-site, that's pretty easy depending on size
[6/8/2018 9:28 AM] clone1018
offsite #1000 is mostly full
[6/8/2018 11:33 AM] clone1018
@Alex Rhodes how do i cash in on the warranty these red chairs have?
[6/8/2018 11:33 AM] alerho
I'll send you the contact
[6/8/2018 11:34 AM] alerho
Also we don't know if anyone over 300lbs sat in them. Just FYI.
[7/31/2018 6:49 PM] talkers
What chairs should people over 300lbs use?
[7/31/2018 6:50 PM] talkers
Should we label the chairs with a warning?
[7/31/2018 9:09 PM] denzuko
I feel like that's a bit pedantic but common sense seems to a scarce surply at times so maybe??
[7/31/2018 9:11 PM] canibalcrab
No that's to answer the question they might have about warranty
[7/31/2018 9:12 PM] canibalcrab
The answer is "I am not aware of anyone over 300lbs using the chair"
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[8/21/2018 6:01 PM] agr0090
@Axeonos this is Brandon, I'm here
[8/21/2018 6:01 PM] axeonos
your mic is muted
[8/21/2018 6:01 PM] agr0090
Would still like to move fire cabinet and other related things this weekend
[8/21/2018 6:02 PM] talkers
How do we listen in?
[8/21/2018 6:02 PM] axeonos
go down to voice
[8/21/2018 6:02 PM] agr0090
Idea is, Clear dock
Remove shelving next to dock
Move orange ladders and fire cabinet as is to next to dock
[8/21/2018 6:03 PM] talkers
I like the fire cabinet where it is
[8/21/2018 6:05 PM] agr0090
there are a couple shelves across from science labelled logistics, not sure what is on them
[8/21/2018 6:05 PM] agr0090
orange ladders*
[8/21/2018 6:06 PM] talkers
I'm fine with the ladders as they are. They would be harder to access by the docks
[8/21/2018 6:09 PM] talkers
I'm hearing most everyone
[8/21/2018 6:10 PM] talkers
With the expansion, logistics will be one of the first to expand.
[8/21/2018 6:13 PM] canibalcrab
The voice channel has push to talk as a requirement
[8/21/2018 6:13 PM] canibalcrab
FYI
[8/21/2018 6:19 PM] agr0090
what was last part?
[8/21/2018 6:20 PM] agr0090
something about a future work day?
[8/21/2018 6:20 PM] agr0090
I would only be interested in spending time if I could remove shelving next to dock and move fire cabinet to next to dock. I think logistics has enough shelf space already and wouldn't really benefit from more, what materials would logistics be storing?
[8/21/2018 6:21 PM] agr0090
no
[8/21/2018 6:23 PM] agr0090
Proposal is to increase project storage by moving committee storage in pallet rack across science to dock shelf?
[8/21/2018 6:32 PM] talkers
Someone will still have to put them back. These tools are also used through out the space, not just the tables
[8/21/2018 6:32 PM] agr0090
white and grey are available I think
[8/21/2018 6:40 PM] talkers
Can you post a picture please
[8/21/2018 6:41 PM] agr0090
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[8/21/2018 6:41 PM] talkers
Take a picture of the mock up for storage Kris is proposing
[8/21/2018 6:42 PM] talkers
Please
[8/21/2018 6:48 PM] talkers
I'm having a hard time hearing
[8/21/2018 6:49 PM] agr0090
where are tool walls?
[8/21/2018 6:50 PM] agr0090
someday in future more info will be provided, yeah
[8/21/2018 7:01 PM] talkers
New sink
[8/21/2018 7:01 PM] canibalcrab
Yeah there's no generic workshop?
[8/21/2018 7:03 PM] talkers
One that can fit a screen to wash out
[8/21/2018 7:04 PM] talkers
"Kennel seal" is a safe barrier
[8/21/2018 7:05 PM] talkers
That is for the wood
[8/21/2018 7:07 PM] canibalcrab
does digital media not have a better mic that could be used for this??
[8/21/2018 7:09 PM] canibalcrab
ive been working. you just need to borrow a usb mic when you have the meeting next time. you should hear it from this end
[8/21/2018 7:10 PM] canibalcrab
right, i can hear kris, carieen is kinda audible, male voice was a mumble
[8/21/2018 7:11 PM] talkers
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[8/21/2018 7:11 PM] canibalcrab
oh man
[8/21/2018 7:11 PM] talkers
Can we move member displays to another area?
[8/21/2018 7:12 PM] talkers
The entire table
[8/21/2018 7:12 PM] talkers
He's been doing this for months
[8/21/2018 7:13 PM] canibalcrab
right he should let other people use it but doesnt
[8/21/2018 7:13 PM] talkers
He let's clients share it
[8/21/2018 7:13 PM] canibalcrab
and if someone needs a stool he keeps it "in case"
[8/21/2018 7:14 PM] canibalcrab
he doesnt need to set up all of his statues to take up the whole table
[8/21/2018 7:14 PM] talkers
You should only be able to reserve the space used for a project
[8/21/2018 7:14 PM] talkers
Not an office
[8/21/2018 7:14 PM] canibalcrab
I would like to complain about him maintaining 6 storage spaces
[8/21/2018 7:16 PM] canibalcrab
these are all "his"
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[8/21/2018 7:16 PM] canibalcrab
you cut out kris
[8/21/2018 7:16 PM] talkers
Can someone just talk to him?
[8/21/2018 7:17 PM] talkers
I cannot hear. Please fill me in after
[8/21/2018 7:17 PM] axeonos
we will fill in
[8/21/2018 7:18 PM] talkers
Thank you
[8/21/2018 7:20 PM] canibalcrab
we should get more stools for the workshop area, but i missed where the generic workshop will go. is it just the hash marked areas?
[8/21/2018 7:22 PM] talkers
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[8/21/2018 7:22 PM] talkers
Sams has a nice line. Same brand as the cabinets
[8/21/2018 7:29 PM] axeonos
the crosshatch area is work table areas.
[8/21/2018 7:30 PM] talkers
I can hear again
[8/21/2018 7:30 PM] canibalcrab
mic pics up better in the smaller room. makes sense
[8/21/2018 7:31 PM] talkers
Some do need back support
[8/21/2018 7:32 PM] talkers
Last well
[8/21/2018 7:33 PM] canibalcrab
my problem with doing a test means its more time without enough stools
[8/21/2018 7:33 PM] canibalcrab
you could just grab a variety and be done with it
[8/21/2018 7:35 PM] canibalcrab
which is why the variety works
[8/21/2018 7:36 PM] canibalcrab
backless stools have the benefit of being able to be pushed under the tables. (provided logistics is keeping people from storing stuff under the tables)
[8/21/2018 7:37 PM] canibalcrab
*well*
[8/21/2018 7:37 PM] canibalcrab
its happening
[8/21/2018 7:37 PM] canibalcrab
i heard part of that
[8/21/2018 7:37 PM] canibalcrab
like 5 or 6 more?
[8/21/2018 7:38 PM] canibalcrab
it just feels like the general workshop stools get taken by committees
[8/21/2018 7:38 PM] canibalcrab
eventually we will hit a surplus
[8/21/2018 7:38 PM] talkers
Vinyl on leg
[8/21/2018 7:38 PM] canibalcrab
which isnt bad
[8/21/2018 7:39 PM] talkers
But if they wander to other parts of the space, let them stay there.
[8/21/2018 7:39 PM] talkers
Just buy more
[8/21/2018 7:39 PM] canibalcrab
logistics is an integral committee, they should be able to buy more stools as needed if the other committees take them
[8/21/2018 7:39 PM] talkers
Like the classroom fans in the common room and warehouse
[8/21/2018 7:40 PM] alerho
Can't join voice but I'm down to move fire cabinet.
[8/21/2018 7:40 PM] axeonos
fire cabnet not moving
[8/21/2018 7:40 PM] talkers
Dave has talked about used office supplies stores
[8/21/2018 7:40 PM] alerho
Womp womp.
[8/21/2018 7:41 PM] axeonos
alex: sup
[8/21/2018 7:41 PM] canibalcrab
we make enough money to not buy everything used
[8/21/2018 7:41 PM] alerho
Haha. SUP
[8/21/2018 7:41 PM] canibalcrab
especially if the other committees are going to take logistics stuff
[8/21/2018 7:42 PM] canibalcrab
logistics is generic DMS assets, let them have it
[8/21/2018 7:42 PM] talkers
We do need more calipers
[8/21/2018 7:42 PM] talkers
Please get more fans
[8/21/2018 7:42 PM] talkers
The tower ones work well
[8/21/2018 7:43 PM] alerho
Pencils.
[8/21/2018 7:43 PM] talkers
Extension cords
[8/21/2018 7:43 PM] canibalcrab
tool replenishment on the tool wall
[8/21/2018 7:44 PM] canibalcrab
did yall cover project storage in the beginning?
[8/21/2018 7:44 PM] axeonos
yes
[8/21/2018 7:44 PM] canibalcrab
how about excessive extensions
[8/21/2018 7:44 PM] talkers
Golf pencils are not cheaper than the amazon basics regular pencils
[8/21/2018 7:46 PM] talkers
Johnnie says school supplies are on sale 😀
[8/21/2018 7:46 PM] canibalcrab
man am i going to have to do a discord class?
[8/21/2018 7:46 PM] talkers
Blue tape, Scotch tape
[8/21/2018 7:47 PM] canibalcrab
lol
[8/21/2018 7:47 PM] talkers
All the tapes
[8/21/2018 7:47 PM] talkers
Low on cassette tapes
[8/21/2018 7:47 PM] alerho
Agree. All the tapes.
[8/21/2018 7:47 PM] alerho
Well not those.
[8/21/2018 7:48 PM] canibalcrab
more propaganda signs about cleaning
[8/21/2018 7:48 PM] canibalcrab
that they wont read
[8/21/2018 7:48 PM] talkers
We can do signs on the floor
[8/21/2018 7:48 PM] discophonous
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[8/21/2018 7:49 PM] alerho
@Axeonos #SUP
[8/21/2018 7:49 PM] canibalcrab
@Narkane wrong chat
[8/21/2018 7:50 PM] talkers
Evaluate cost of a dumpster like that at 102 vs what we have
[8/21/2018 7:50 PM] canibalcrab
:notsure:
[8/21/2018 7:50 PM] canibalcrab
its on a huge wall
[8/21/2018 7:52 PM] talkers
Tape measures, Allen wrenches, files, center punches
[8/21/2018 7:53 PM] talkers
I would not mine taking on keeping the tools stocked in the warehouse
[8/21/2018 7:53 PM] canibalcrab
wat
[8/21/2018 7:53 PM] talkers
Uhhh...
[8/21/2018 7:53 PM] talkers
I use them throughout the space
[8/21/2018 7:54 PM] canibalcrab
right
[8/21/2018 7:54 PM] canibalcrab
but the tools need to be able to travel
[8/21/2018 7:54 PM] talkers
Lol
[8/21/2018 7:54 PM] canibalcrab
gorman gets to prevent the tools from being tied down
[8/21/2018 7:55 PM] talkers
Lol
[8/21/2018 7:55 PM] talkers
I can do that
[8/21/2018 7:55 PM] canibalcrab
i have bolt cutters
[8/21/2018 7:55 PM] talkers
Pearce and I will find the tool tie downs
[8/21/2018 7:55 PM] canibalcrab
good scrub soap like the orange stuff
[8/21/2018 7:56 PM] canibalcrab
or the green bucket style we had
[8/21/2018 7:56 PM] talkers
How do we not have bolt cutters? I have one in the car too
[8/21/2018 7:56 PM] alerho
T handle Allen wrenches.
[8/21/2018 7:56 PM] alerho
Laser locks theirs up now.
[8/21/2018 7:56 PM] canibalcrab
right but we need the other soap too and to keep it stocked
[8/21/2018 7:57 PM] talkers
Will do
[8/21/2018 7:58 PM] talkers
Hilti tools for all
[8/21/2018 7:58 PM] talkers
Drills for all the classroom tables
[8/21/2018 7:58 PM] talkers
Jacob's enjoyed listening to the call
[8/21/2018 7:59 PM] talkers
Oh, logistics needs to plan for an election again
[8/21/2018 8:03 PM] canibalcrab
im out, gotta dnd.
[8/21/2018 8:03 PM] talkers
Me
[8/21/2018 8:04 PM] talkers
Cheers
[8/21/2018 9:12 PM] talkers
Did we discuss emergency lighting?
[8/21/2018 9:39 PM] shunsui89
I don't think so but I wasn't able to stay the whole time
[8/22/2018 10:11 PM] talkers
At least two e lights came in today. Saw @StanSimmons unboxing them
[8/22/2018 11:55 PM] canibalcrab
i thought i recognized those stools! thye are in rainbow six
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[8/23/2018 3:17 AM] axeonos
Might need to specify, no video game stools
[8/23/2018 3:22 AM] shunsui89
Does the space have any florescent bulbs? I'd like to get the ca hall fixed and anywhere else. Is there anything I can do to take care of the random pallet of bad bulbs as well?
[9/6/2018 5:07 PM] agr0090
Any details / plans available on what needs to be done during work day? I'm interested in the work table item
[9/6/2018 5:07 PM] axeonos
still trying to get my voice control working
[9/6/2018 5:11 PM] canibalcrab
Push to talk?
[9/6/2018 5:12 PM] axeonos
are you able to hear me
[9/6/2018 5:12 PM] agr0090
no, your icon isn't turning green indicating that you are sending any sound
[9/6/2018 5:13 PM] agr0090
now its green but I dont hear anything
[9/6/2018 5:14 PM] axeonos
brandon whats your number we are going to confrence call you
[9/6/2018 5:15 PM] agr0090
no thanks
[9/7/2018 7:05 AM] axeonos
Ppl have votes. Axeonos is serving another 6 months. We also agreed to paint shapes on the tools. Also we got 3 new flat dollies donated. They should be sprayed with LOGISTICS DO NOT STEAL on Saturday. Saturday is the logistics purge. Please come help beautify our space
[9/7/2018 9:04 AM] clone1018
> Paint shapes on the tools
[9/7/2018 9:04 AM] clone1018
What does that mean?
[9/7/2018 10:07 AM] denzuko
shapes on tools? could the rare and expensive one have little unicorns?
[9/7/2018 11:54 AM] canibalcrab
Instead of just using colors?
[10/16/2018 12:23 AM] axeonos
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[10/16/2018 1:01 AM] talkers
Just label all the things
[10/16/2018 1:01 AM] talkers
When is the next logistics meeting?
[10/16/2018 1:02 AM] talkers
We are out of workspace in the workshop.
[10/16/2018 1:02 AM] blameitontexas
Figure out why my tub keeps getting jacked!!
[10/16/2018 1:03 AM] talkers
@blameitontexas. What is going on?
[10/16/2018 1:05 AM] blameitontexas
My original tub in the lounge area disappeared. I commandeered an empty one and put my name on it.... sent a ton of emails, with no luck. Annnd week when I checked someone else had taken mine again :(:(
[10/16/2018 1:06 AM] talkers
🤔 😢
[10/16/2018 1:07 AM] talkers
Well, the tubs are permanent. Yours can be replaced. I pray you did not lose anything of value inside.
[10/16/2018 1:07 AM] blameitontexas
Upside of epilepsy!
I have absolutely no idea what I had in them lol
[10/16/2018 1:08 AM] blameitontexas
😉
[10/16/2018 1:08 AM] talkers
Silly, lol
[10/16/2018 1:08 AM] blameitontexas
Permanent seems to be up for interpretation tho. Do I need to chain one to a wall or something?
[10/16/2018 1:09 AM] blameitontexas
(Totally okay w that)
[10/16/2018 1:09 AM] talkers
No
It's an odd thing. Not sure what's happened, but we will certainly replace the tub and label
[10/16/2018 1:10 AM] blameitontexas
Sounds good
[10/16/2018 1:10 AM] blameitontexas
Thx!
[10/16/2018 1:11 AM] canibalcrab
yeah it sounds like someone was checking the tubs and pulled yours for not being on the list or something
[10/16/2018 1:11 AM] canibalcrab
the contents may be in one of the storage rooms
[10/16/2018 1:11 AM] blameitontexas
Not worry about that as much as why I have lost two tubs now even tho I bought one when I signed up forever ago 😦
[10/16/2018 1:15 AM] talkers
We will figure it out.
It's been a long time since an audit was done, so I'm not sure that was it
[10/16/2018 1:16 AM] blameitontexas
Muh heroes ❤
[10/16/2018 1:16 AM] talkers
But I've not heard of any other reports of theft on tub contents.
We will make it right
[10/16/2018 1:18 AM] talkers
As for lack of workspace, a couple of regular users could condense their space significantly and still benefit from the workshop. I would like to discuss the parameters on what is fair for all in our shared sandbox.
[10/16/2018 1:18 AM] canibalcrab
yeah for real
[10/16/2018 1:19 AM] canibalcrab
and the consistent extensions on people monopolizing storage spaces
[10/16/2018 2:11 AM] axeonos
I'll be down there Wednesday to go through and make labels for tubs. If you give me your name we can check. It may have been pulled last time for not having payment or laps in membership payment. No worries we will look into it.
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[3/31/2019 10:11 AM] landras2049
Hey will anybody from logistics be around the space today? Id like to meet and discuss some stuff I have that I'd like to donate to the space. I'm taking the cad and Etsy class, so I'll be busy from 12-7pm. I'm headed there now though so I will be around from 11am till noon, and will probably be around for a few hours after 7pm. Lmk thanks.
[3/31/2019 10:43 AM] aceat64
@Axeonos ^
[3/31/2019 12:22 PM] axeonos
I'm currently away for the weekend for stuff.... will be back and functional next weekend
[3/31/2019 2:02 PM] landras2049
@Axeonos copy that. Lmk if you're ever in during the week.. I'll be here every evening.
[3/31/2019 4:44 PM] stansimmons2031
I think Kris Anderson is here, in woodshop
[3/31/2019 5:39 PM] canibalcrab
Buuuuuut donations gotta get authorization from the chair
[4/2/2019 8:08 PM] axeonos
@LAndras i wont be at the space till friday after 8pm (this weekend dang near killed me and going back to work put the nail in the coffin. sorry man. but im eager to see what you got man
[4/16/2019 1:43 PM] agr0090
Fyi I will run for logistics chair at the next meeting, see here https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/im-running-for-logistics-chair-again-may-5th/54402
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[4/16/2019 2:53 PM] stephenie.
myNick really enjoyed off-siting during @LukeStrickland's tenure. He has not participated once since then.
[4/16/2019 2:54 PM] stephenie.
He liked the camaraderie.
[4/16/2019 3:03 PM] stephenie.
@AGr if you can bring back that sense of Band of Brothers (and Sisters) and the goals become a team's goals, rather than one person's, you can set a foundation for better storage/space management that will outlast your tenure.
[4/16/2019 3:12 PM] canibalcrab
It was just me Brandon and Steve-o doing the work on sunday
[4/16/2019 3:12 PM] canibalcrab
All around it was a pretty good experience
[4/16/2019 3:12 PM] canibalcrab
Steve-o just dropped what he came in for and started helping
[4/16/2019 3:16 PM] agr0090
I would like to do that, although my past experience is that building a team is not one of my strong suits
[4/16/2019 3:18 PM] canibalcrab
You need a hype man
[4/16/2019 3:24 PM] merissa4308
I can take up my role as cheerleader/spokesperson/Talk reminder poster of work days if needed 😁
[4/16/2019 3:27 PM] stephenie.
@AGr...it is sooo important to know your strong suits. Pick a Vice Chair who can build a team.
[4/16/2019 3:27 PM] canibalcrab
My current understanding is that my colorful vocabulary choices make me unsuitable to be a hype man
[4/16/2019 3:27 PM] canibalcrab
But I'm willing to help out in logistics
[4/16/2019 3:50 PM] axeonos
Remember the 5th of may 2pm come vote and get extension if need be. I am stepping down.
[4/16/2019 4:20 PM] merissa4308
@Axeonos are there any other candidates in the mix?
[4/16/2019 4:20 PM] axeonos
unknown. all i know is it wont be me lol
[4/16/2019 4:21 PM] merissa4308
Ok thanks, just wasn't sure if anyone had expressed interest at recent meetings
[4/16/2019 5:50 PM] agr0090
Do we have 5 storage units at cubesmart? Cubesmart 5092 - unit 1104
Cubesmart 5092 - unit 1000
Cubesmart 5092 - unit 0015
Cubesmart 5092 - unit 1001
Cubesmart 5092 - unit 0020
[4/17/2019 12:18 AM] stansimmons2031
Yes
[4/20/2019 9:21 PM] canibalcrab
We should get theses dockit systems for the drill bits and screw bits instead if throwing the cases in the drawer
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[4/20/2019 11:31 PM] axeonos
you assume people will put things back
[4/20/2019 11:35 PM] canibalcrab
It helps if they have a nice spot for them to go
[5/2/2019 9:49 PM] canibalcrab
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/ill-throw-my-hat-in-the-ring-also-i-fixed-the-back-door/55099
[5/2/2019 9:50 PM] canibalcrab
here. i posted something thats probably a bad decision
[5/2/2019 9:51 PM] yashsedai
grats!
[5/2/2019 9:52 PM] yashsedai
also i believe there was a solution being worked on for the door that fixed the issue with the handle. They keep breaking due to people hanging on them as they climb up. I think a pushbar was being ordered or is on order.
[5/2/2019 9:52 PM] canibalcrab
sure, but leaving it totally unlocked was not the solution
[5/2/2019 9:53 PM] yashsedai
I'm not throwing stones
[5/2/2019 9:53 PM] yashsedai
Sorry if it came acrross that way
[5/2/2019 9:53 PM] canibalcrab
i am though :face:
[5/2/2019 9:53 PM] yashsedai
I agree it shouldn't remain open
[5/2/2019 9:53 PM] yashsedai
lol
[5/2/2019 9:53 PM] yashsedai
toss away
[5/2/2019 9:53 PM] canibalcrab
i did hear a handle was ordered
[5/2/2019 9:53 PM] canibalcrab
but its been months
[5/2/2019 9:54 PM] canibalcrab
id be glad to help install a pushbar. they make moving printers way easier for me
[5/2/2019 9:54 PM] yashsedai
aye
[5/2/2019 9:54 PM] yashsedai
i think an electrified pushbar would be great bahahaha
[5/2/2019 9:55 PM] canibalcrab
like SUPRISE MOTHERFUCKER?
[5/2/2019 9:55 PM] canibalcrab
because youll give someone a heart attack
[5/2/2019 10:15 PM] yashsedai
no
[5/2/2019 10:15 PM] yashsedai
lol although thats laughworthy
[5/2/2019 10:15 PM] yashsedai
i'm talking electrified latch
[5/2/2019 10:16 PM] yashsedai
as in the latch has a solenoid that opens it when badge reader is active
[5/2/2019 10:16 PM] canibalcrab
tag in and it opens itself
[5/2/2019 10:16 PM] canibalcrab
yeah
[5/2/2019 10:16 PM] canibalcrab
that would probably save the walls of the door
[5/2/2019 10:34 PM] yashsedai
yep
[5/3/2019 12:10 AM] michaelb5250
4 candidates for logistics chair? Y'all are gonna make me sad I'm missing the meeting.
[5/3/2019 12:11 AM] canibalcrab
?
[5/3/2019 12:11 AM] canibalcrab
whos the 4th
[5/3/2019 12:16 AM] michaelb5250
iirc we've got Brandon, Freddy, You, and Kris
[5/3/2019 12:16 AM] canibalcrab
freddy is infra
[5/3/2019 12:16 AM] michaelb5250
oops
[5/3/2019 12:16 AM] michaelb5250
yup
[5/3/2019 12:16 AM] michaelb5250
my b
[5/3/2019 12:17 AM] canibalcrab
didnt know about kris until today on talk
[5/3/2019 12:17 AM] michaelb5250
Yeah. I heard some talk that she was going for the full 'proxy bomb', but didn't realize it was her that was running
[5/3/2019 12:18 AM] canibalcrab
classy
[5/3/2019 12:18 AM] michaelb5250
Allen pointed out it'll be up to the new board to appoint the chair, and he's really pushing his 'board runs the election' approach
[5/3/2019 12:19 AM] michaelb5250
to his credit, this is a pretty good test case for it
[5/3/2019 12:21 AM] agr0090
thats always been the case, the question is if board wants to do anything to discourage committee proxy wars going forward to decrease drama, when committee votes were never formal things anyway
[5/3/2019 12:22 AM] agr0090
I will be impressed if Kris can beat the last auto committee proxy count, was something like 200 votes total
[5/3/2019 9:31 AM] lavarocks.
When is the logistics meeting? Im too lazy to go back to talk
[5/3/2019 9:31 AM] merissa4308
Sunday 5/5 at 2pm
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[5/3/2019 9:34 AM] lavarocks.
It does look a little fishy now that the board voted down Adair’s no proxy for science when a board member is now using the proxy wars to advantage. This is tiring. Earn your vote.
[5/3/2019 9:37 AM] lavarocks.
My hope is that all the non proxy chairs can get together and decide to put an end to it and by majority bring it to the new board to vote.
[5/3/2019 9:37 AM] merissa4308
Current board members and their friends were the biggest abusers of proxy bombs in the last round of elections. And my guess is they will continue to abuse and exploit the voting process as long as they can get away with it.
[5/3/2019 9:37 AM] lavarocks.
We were told we needed more chairs on board.
[5/3/2019 9:38 AM] merissa4308
I don't understand that logic when many of the chairs got their seat through the proxy issue 🤔
[5/3/2019 9:39 AM] lavarocks.
We will see with this election
[5/3/2019 9:40 AM] merissa4308
True
[5/3/2019 9:43 AM] merissa4308
Anyone want to share thoughts on what logistics is doing right and what needs improvement?
[5/3/2019 9:49 AM] lavarocks.
I personally can’t stand when projects take up giant spaces for weeks. The flight simulator in the walkway was an annoyance. Seeing tables bogged down for days with the same projects was annoying. There was no where to get anything done. I’ve heard we have twenty new work tables in the expansion. What I want to see is space available for people working on projects but not long term storage on work surfaces.
[5/3/2019 9:51 AM] lavarocks.
And I do like the thought of free space for teachers who teach more than three classes a month. I have to lug a ton of stuff up there for my classes and last month I was injured and had t have my husband bring me and my stuff to all my classes.
[5/3/2019 10:19 AM] nullinterface
Takes someone that will say no and that will enforce rules to run Logistics
[5/3/2019 10:20 AM] nullinterface
you need to *move things along* whether that means not extending slow/stalled projects, hauling expired projects offsite, or dumpstering projects offsite that have outstayed their welcome
[5/3/2019 10:21 AM] nullinterface
DMS needs to make project storage cost *something*. Money won't be popular and has administrative overheads. But the cost needs to be more than just grabbing a spot and hanging on to it forever.
[5/3/2019 10:22 AM] nullinterface
But hey what do I know, I only ran Logistics for 18 months
[5/3/2019 10:24 AM] stephenie.
Re: "grabbing a spot and hanging on to it forever". I've been a member for 4 years and have wondered why some spots seem to be held in perpetuity. How does that happen?
[5/3/2019 10:25 AM] nullinterface
@stephenie last ~2 years enforcement has been spotty
[5/3/2019 10:27 AM] nullinterface
and a lot of ejected materials ... *miraculously* ... boomerang
[5/3/2019 10:29 AM] stephenie.
I'd like to see the next Board notice spotty enforcement of rules in any committee, summon the Chair to the Board meeting for questions. Then if they decide the Chair is not fulfilling their duties, rescind their appointment and call for new chair election
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[5/3/2019 10:30 AM] yashsedai
How about we provide an education for chairs rather than get rid of them
[5/3/2019 10:30 AM] stephenie.
^^ That too
[5/3/2019 10:30 AM] yashsedai
The thing the vast majority fails to grasp is volunteer orgs dont attract actual leaders
[5/3/2019 10:31 AM] stephenie.
Right on Freddy
[5/3/2019 10:31 AM] yashsedai
They have to be mentored into the role
[5/3/2019 10:31 AM] stephenie.
They grow leaders
[5/3/2019 10:31 AM] yashsedai
They can grow leaders, albeit that is only the case about half the time. It takes an equal commitment on both parts
[5/3/2019 10:32 AM] merissa4308
A chair should not have to be educated on the rules of their own committee
[5/3/2019 10:33 AM] yashsedai
I'm not talking about reading the damn rules
[5/3/2019 10:33 AM] yashsedai
I'm talking about the actual herding of the cats
[5/3/2019 10:33 AM] stephenie.
It's one thing to know the rules, it's another thing to have the moxie to enforce them.
[5/3/2019 10:33 AM] stephenie.
And influence people
[5/3/2019 10:34 AM] canibalcrab
I'm running because i was frustrated with the things I heard from Kris while doing off siting
[5/3/2019 10:34 AM] yashsedai
The DMS demographic is conflict averse for the most part
[5/3/2019 10:34 AM] canibalcrab
She said she was giving extensions because she didn't want to have to load stuff up and off site it
[5/3/2019 10:34 AM] yashsedai
That's bs pearce
[5/3/2019 10:34 AM] canibalcrab
Absolutely
[5/3/2019 10:34 AM] yashsedai
Complete laziness
[5/3/2019 10:35 AM] canibalcrab
And that's what I want to stop
[5/3/2019 10:35 AM] yashsedai
I'm with you
[5/3/2019 10:35 AM] yashsedai
I want it to stop as well.
[5/3/2019 10:36 AM] canibalcrab
But it looks like proxy bomb will be the current answer. And I'm not willing to abuse that
[5/3/2019 10:37 AM] yashsedai
Jm not for the proxy bomb
[5/3/2019 10:37 AM] yashsedai
Im
[5/3/2019 10:37 AM] yashsedai
I'm not running that campaign personally and I dont support it for anyone else
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[5/3/2019 10:38 AM] aceat64
that's easy for you @yashsedai, you're running unopposed right? 🤣
[5/3/2019 10:38 AM] yashsedai
If someone brings a proxy in support of someone great, but actively collecting them no sir
[5/3/2019 10:39 AM] yashsedai
Regardless
[5/3/2019 10:40 AM] yashsedai
Haha
[5/3/2019 10:40 AM] yashsedai
Just saw your comment @aceat64
[5/3/2019 11:10 AM] canibalcrab
It'll be up to the board to approve proxy bombs
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[5/3/2019 3:28 PM] merissa4308
Yet another thread to talk about the candidates. Just two identified here... https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/logistics-chair-volunteers/55141
[5/3/2019 3:58 PM] canibalcrab
I guess carieen is trying to shame me for not wanting paid storage
[5/3/2019 4:06 PM] lavarocks.
Meh, cairenn also shamed ca when we *gasp* wanted rules put in place for discipline.
[5/3/2019 4:06 PM] aceat64
if people weren't getting drunk, jumping on tables and defacing stuff CA might not have needed those rules
[5/3/2019 4:07 PM] canibalcrab
Fees on storage will only make the people who can't afford it have problems
[5/3/2019 4:08 PM] lavarocks.
All of Makerspace needs disciplinary rules and they really ought to be standard
[5/3/2019 4:08 PM] lavarocks.
Sorry Pearce, i hijacked
[5/3/2019 4:08 PM] canibalcrab
Kind of hard to implement though
[5/3/2019 4:08 PM] canibalcrab
What's the punishment
[5/3/2019 4:09 PM] lavarocks.
You make a mess once we talk to you- you habitually make messes you catch a ban. You tell us you broke something we let you go, you don’t tell us you catch a ban. Assuming we catch it. But what’s so hard about that?
[5/3/2019 4:10 PM] lavarocks.
You knowingly deface something- ban. You use equipment that’s training only and don’t have training- ban.
[5/3/2019 4:10 PM] canibalcrab
All you have is suspensions as punishment
[5/3/2019 4:10 PM] canibalcrab
So for most of the people it won't really change much
[5/3/2019 4:11 PM] canibalcrab
The people causing issues*
[5/3/2019 4:11 PM] canibalcrab
They come in, break stuff, get their benefit, and leave you with the mess
[5/3/2019 4:11 PM] lavarocks.
If you are banned from an area like ca and cant use any of their tools for 30 days it can affect you. If it happens again it goes before board for permanent ban
[5/3/2019 4:12 PM] canibalcrab
Like the guy who was confronted at the laser recently. He just quit on the spot
[5/3/2019 4:12 PM] lavarocks.
F that guy.
[5/3/2019 4:12 PM] canibalcrab
And not to mention not actually being able to enforce the small "room/committee" bans all the time
[5/3/2019 4:12 PM] lavarocks.
Good, we got what we wanted. Not having that person habitually breaking the rules
[5/3/2019 4:13 PM] canibalcrab
Do you really think Kris stayed out of CA?
[5/3/2019 4:13 PM] lavarocks.
Ca is unique in that we have a lot of teachers and sig leaders in that room all the time
[5/3/2019 4:13 PM] lavarocks.
No, I know she got other people to bring her stuff.
[5/3/2019 4:13 PM] canibalcrab
Right. So the suspensions really don't hold water
[5/3/2019 4:14 PM] lavarocks.
I saw it twice. I brought that up to Shay and we decided Kris was a lost cause with that ban and needed to amend it to no use of that committees tools period.
[5/3/2019 4:14 PM] lavarocks.
Shay
[5/3/2019 4:14 PM] canibalcrab
I'm a pessimist. But I love being proved wrong -don't let me talk you down
[5/3/2019 4:15 PM] lavarocks.
Just because it isn’t always enforceable doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be on the books for when we can
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[5/3/2019 4:17 PM] canibalcrab
I just don't like that it's our only option. But I've never come up with an alternative
[5/3/2019 4:21 PM] lavarocks.
I want everyone to get along with an abundance of space - it’s not going to happen as we continue to grow. I get that each committee has their own tools and rules to follow. But I think a baseline of common knowledge behavior. Be an adult- clean up after yourself and if you break it tell us
[5/3/2019 4:21 PM] lavarocks.
Again, sorry for the tangent in this thread.
[5/3/2019 4:22 PM] merissa4308
That's what "be excellent" is supposed to mean, but some folks have made it their agenda to make that part of the ethos useless
[5/3/2019 4:22 PM] lavarocks.
Be excellent is too vague.
[5/3/2019 4:23 PM] merissa4308
But it kind of has to be to apply to the space as a whole
[5/3/2019 4:23 PM] canibalcrab
Along with "don't make us make a rule" and "we don't need a rule if it's already ilegal"
[5/3/2019 4:23 PM] canibalcrab
Is it though?
[5/3/2019 4:24 PM] canibalcrab
If someone says "hey you're being disruptive" should your response be "fuck off I pay for the space too" or "my bad I'll try to mitigate"
[5/3/2019 4:24 PM] canibalcrab
That's all be excellent is asking for
[5/3/2019 4:25 PM] lavarocks.
Why can’t we all adopt similar baseline rules. Clean up, tell us you broke it, and don’t steal. Those are baseline rules we all find as a problem. Let machine shop add that you can’t operate while drinking. Thats an addendum. If we don’t have teeth people will continue to be aholes and argue about what is and isn’t excellent
[5/3/2019 4:26 PM] canibalcrab
I won't lie
[5/3/2019 4:26 PM] canibalcrab
I thought those were our baseline rules
[5/3/2019 4:27 PM] lavarocks.
But we don’t have it written down and it’s up to the chair to enforce. If it’s in the holy bible and something we put in a newbie manual like PR is pushing for, maybe it’ll be enforceable.
[5/3/2019 4:27 PM] merissa4308
https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Rules_and_Policies#Code_of_Conduct
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[5/3/2019 4:28 PM] merissa4308
Check this out, especially #4
[5/3/2019 4:28 PM] merissa4308
I think everything you mentioned is addressed, but wouldn't be a bad idea to add to it if more is needed
[5/3/2019 4:29 PM] lavarocks.
There is nothing about consequences which is why most people shrug it off and Art handles things one way while Pearce May do it another.
[5/3/2019 4:29 PM] merissa4308
Ah ok, I see what you mean
[5/3/2019 4:29 PM] lavarocks.
I’m being annoying, I’m sorry.
[5/3/2019 4:30 PM] merissa4308
No not at all!
[5/3/2019 4:30 PM] merissa4308
My job is making people follow rules, so I weirdly enjoy this kind of thing 😆
[5/3/2019 4:33 PM] merissa4308
Hmm, well across the board enforcement handling consistency is definitely going to be tough thing to achieve, but it's something we should strive for
[5/3/2019 4:33 PM] merissa4308
Is this an item the chairs will talk about at their round table?
[5/3/2019 4:37 PM] lavarocks.
I plan to bring it up
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[5/3/2019 4:38 PM] lavarocks.
If it gets shot down so be it, ca will still go forward with it if it is voted through in the next meeting.
[5/3/2019 7:16 PM] draco_the_drake
How about a cleaning fee?
[5/3/2019 7:16 PM] draco_the_drake
That goes to the committee of choice of the person that cleans the mess .. approved by an officer
[5/3/2019 7:20 PM] draco_the_drake
Charged to the person that made the mess
[5/3/2019 9:17 PM] doug.emes
Cleaning? How about this
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[5/5/2019 3:26 PM] lavarocks.
What was the vote?
[5/5/2019 3:33 PM] merissa4308
Pearce won the in person vote, Kris brought a stack of proxies to take the win
[5/5/2019 3:34 PM] merissa4308
We've got a group now cleaning general workshop area... Kris, Pearce, Jim, Alex, Mell, and myself
[5/5/2019 6:51 PM] merissa4308
We got things cleared out from the exchange shelf and under the work tables, tool wall straightened up, and violating project storage spots marked with a 7 day notice
[5/5/2019 6:52 PM] merissa4308
Kris said she will be posting and contacting folks about their final notice, I didn't get a count of how many
[5/5/2019 6:53 PM] merissa4308
STORAGE USERS please be aware that if you did not get an extension, your spot needs to be cleared or it will be offsited next Sunday 5/12
[5/6/2019 7:48 AM] nullinterface
the problem with DMS, makerspaces in particular, and the cultures of nerd-esque organizations in general is they love informality to an almost unhealthy degree. Informality is great at a small scale where implicit norms can be readily enforced and *everyone knows each other*. Nerds will build out structures and rules at the slightest provocation and then pretty much **never follow them** because ... *informality*.
[5/6/2019 7:49 AM] nullinterface
So at one point "be excellent to one another" was the perfect one-liner code of conduct since the org was tight-knit
[5/6/2019 1:43 PM] aceat64
has anyone talked to PureTax to find out if the rental of storage space counts as UBI or not?
[5/6/2019 2:56 PM] kenpurcell
We do not have business plans for any of these new ideas. Gallery, Store, Paid Storage, take your pick.
[5/7/2019 8:45 AM] nullinterface
but we have a *storytelling* tradition behind all of these - that counts for *something*, right?
[5/7/2019 11:27 AM] hon1nbo
@aceat64 according to the meeting discussion, PureTax is the one making the accounting system for it.... so they'd have to at least be aware of it. Regarding a specific UBI conversation I can not say.
[5/7/2019 11:28 AM] aceat64
do we know if there's an added cost? I can't imagine adding more work on PureTax will be free
[5/7/2019 11:29 AM] hon1nbo
they're making a framework, not administering it IIRC
[5/7/2019 11:29 AM] hon1nbo
but again, I'm not a first party to that discussion with them
[5/7/2019 11:29 AM] hon1nbo
and the counsel is making a storage agreement
[5/12/2019 2:47 AM] canibalcrab
i will be with my mother and grandmother tomorrow but should be able to get to the logistics meeting and off siting tomorrow around 1p. i know a few others plan to show up as well but might be late
[5/12/2019 8:28 AM] merissa4308
Yeah noon might be harder.... Will try for one or both of us making it
[5/12/2019 8:30 AM] merissa4308
Guess I just looked past it on the calendar and went searching around 2-3pm
[5/12/2019 8:50 AM] mell.jpg
Trying to juggle mother's day plans with multiple moms. But we're aiming for around noon.
[5/12/2019 12:04 PM] canibalcrab
Grandma's house for mother's day just turned into me doing tech support
[5/12/2019 12:16 PM] merissa4308
Just on our way up now, will be there in about 25 mins
[5/12/2019 12:17 PM] mell.jpg
Same. In the car on the way. Should be there in about 30 min.
[5/12/2019 12:18 PM] merissa4308
@kriskat30 do you know if we have access to a truck for offsiting?
[5/12/2019 12:46 PM] kriskat309685
I had one and he got called into work last minute. I’m working on getting a replacement
[5/12/2019 12:47 PM] canibalcrab
Might get boxes from home Depot or something. Would make it better for transportation and storage
[5/12/2019 1:22 PM] canibalcrab
Headed to space
[5/12/2019 1:23 PM] merissa4308
Sounds good, thanks Pearce! Just got some boxes to pack up items
[5/12/2019 3:17 PM] merissa4308
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[5/12/2019 3:17 PM] merissa4308
Storage violators items staged for offsiting
[5/12/2019 3:31 PM] canibalcrab
Will be moved tomorrow night
[5/12/2019 5:37 PM] mell.jpg
What time is offsiting Monday night? Doubt I'll be able to make it but can try.
[5/12/2019 6:48 PM] lavarocks.
Dang, that’s a lot of stuff- do people just abandon their shit?
[5/12/2019 7:01 PM] stansimmons2031
Pretty much... notice how much of it is woodshop. 😦
[5/12/2019 7:03 PM] aceat64
I don't get it, do people just start projects and then after like one day just give up on it
[5/12/2019 7:14 PM] merissa4308
And that doesn't even include vertical storage... A lot of notice tags over there too, but we kind of gave up on that area till a truck is available
[5/12/2019 7:16 PM] aceat64
It's such a waste, we should have people sign a contract when using storage that signs away their ownership rights to the materials if they become abandoned/don't follow the rules.
[5/12/2019 7:16 PM] aceat64
Then we'd have good legal standing to make use of it.
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[5/12/2019 7:17 PM] stansimmons2031
I think something like that is finally in the works.
[5/12/2019 7:17 PM] aceat64
Would likely need the rules in the contract to be solid
[5/12/2019 7:18 PM] stansimmons2031
It will have to be run past Griggs for sure
[5/12/2019 7:18 PM] merissa4308
As long as it is applied consistently I'm for it
[5/12/2019 8:09 PM] alerho
Make it a public auction please.
[5/12/2019 8:12 PM] aceat64
I wonder if theres a service we can just hand all the stuff off to for auction, for a cut of the proceeds
[5/12/2019 8:12 PM] aceat64
Likely would be UBI either way
[5/12/2019 8:13 PM] aceat64
Primally I was thinking use the materials for makerspace stuff, we can't just hand it to members for inurement reasons
[5/12/2019 8:43 PM] andrew5152
what's up with the battery charger? Been wanting one of those...
[5/12/2019 8:52 PM] merissa4308
Good eye. There were two of those on a shelf with like an inch of dust and no storage ticket, so they're staged to go off-site. If not claimed they should be dumpstered next month.
[5/12/2019 8:54 PM] andrew5152
I'd feel so guilty...wheeling my chargers to the car... Those things are getting harder & harder to come by, and are so superior to today's computer-controlled pains in the butt (not that they don't have their upsides, the computer controlled ones, but...)
[5/12/2019 8:55 PM] andrew5152
(I truly would feel guilty. But what the hell are people thinking!?!)
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[5/12/2019 8:57 PM] nullinterface
my theory is that no small percentage of these materials are *scavenged* thus the value to the member is less than if they were procured in a more straightforward manner
[5/12/2019 8:57 PM] merissa4308
Yeah, with current policy once it hits the dumpster it's free to be claimed but really shouldn't come back into DMS. It's painful to just throw stuff away, but it's the safest way not to get into a dispute over ownership. Hopefully its owner claims it and it finds its way home
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[5/13/2019 6:20 PM] canibalcrab
Haven't heard anything about a truck. So I'm bringing the cruelbus up to off site yesterday's stuff
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[5/13/2019 6:33 PM] canibalcrab
Foiled again! It's out of registration
[5/13/2019 6:35 PM] canibalcrab
Seeing if I can find an inspection place
[5/13/2019 6:38 PM] merissa4308
Come on Pearce, it's not like the cruel bus draws attention or anything 😉
[5/13/2019 6:48 PM] canibalcrab
On way anyways. Will get inspection tomorrow
[5/13/2019 7:49 PM] canibalcrab
Bus is here for off siting. All hands on deck
[5/13/2019 8:22 PM] canibalcrab
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[5/13/2019 8:28 PM] talkers
@pearce is doing so much work. Thank you
[5/13/2019 8:28 PM] canibalcrab
Off to storage
[5/13/2019 8:31 PM] merissa4308
Thank you Pearce! Sorry we're not there to help
[5/13/2019 8:41 PM] canibalcrab
Storage unit 1001 doesn't have a lock on it at all
[5/13/2019 8:42 PM] canibalcrab
Good luck glass works stuff
[5/13/2019 8:45 PM] draco_the_drake
Can we buy a lock?
[5/13/2019 8:46 PM] canibalcrab
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[5/13/2019 8:46 PM] canibalcrab
Current 1015
[5/13/2019 8:58 PM] merissa4308
Oh no. @kriskat30 do you know what's up with the missing lock?
[5/13/2019 9:15 PM] kriskat309685
What’s missing ??
[5/13/2019 9:17 PM] judykriehn3727
A few years back, someone broke into the quilt guild storage locker. Cut off two padlocks. But since the stuff inside was not the stuff of storage unit war dreams, nothing was taken. Just no lock. The site manager noticed and called us after putting a lock on. Could be a similar situation here.
[5/13/2019 9:17 PM] canibalcrab
The *lock*
[5/13/2019 9:18 PM] canibalcrab
New storage stuff
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[5/13/2019 9:42 PM] canibalcrab
Dumpster time
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[5/13/2019 9:45 PM] talkers
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[5/13/2019 9:57 PM] canibalcrab
Off site is done
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[5/13/2019 9:58 PM] canibalcrab
Side note. I clean this place and it's a mess in no time
[5/13/2019 9:59 PM] mizgeek
Thank you Pearce.
[5/13/2019 9:59 PM] canibalcrab
He's cleaning out his foot btw he's gonna clean up
[5/13/2019 9:59 PM] mizgeek
Ugh. He ok?
[5/13/2019 10:02 PM] canibalcrab
Yep he's good
[5/13/2019 10:12 PM] canibalcrab
Only one I couldn't off site was nachos box. Too big to move on my own
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[5/13/2019 10:41 PM] talkers
Hmmm Nacho was here today. I'll message him
[5/13/2019 10:45 PM] talkers
Nacho says Mark is going to use the material for shelves
[5/13/2019 10:51 PM] judykriehn3727
Pearce, you are a prince to deal with this stuff. Count me in to help with the Cruel Bus costumes for the next event thing.
[5/13/2019 10:59 PM] canibalcrab
I also messaged nacho. He needs to remove it. Even if someone is going to use it.
[5/13/2019 11:00 PM] canibalcrab
@judy Kriehn I will hit you up for sure! We have some new people who might need some help
[5/14/2019 9:53 AM] kenpurcell
Thank you Pearce! Above and beyond to do that by yourself.
[5/14/2019 9:58 AM] andrew5152
curious from you who've "been there, done that"... Why do we do offsiting once a month? I have been thinking that _if I were in charge_ it would be a continuous thing. Each time I'm there, I'd check _today's list_ and, if you're over and haven't qualified for extension, off it goes. Likewise, at storage, if it's at or over due, off it goes. It seems like this would be easier piecemeal as I'm there rather than scheduling one big day of shyt I'd rather not do...
[5/14/2019 10:02 AM] aceat64
mostly because there's a lot of stuff and it's often better to have help, so having a pre-set day makes it easier (in theory) to coordinate and get volunteers
[5/14/2019 10:02 AM] aceat64
personally, I think off-siting is the wrong approach, virtually no one ever goes to retrieve their off-sited materials from what I've seen
[5/14/2019 10:02 AM] aceat64
we could save money and time by just tossing the stuff
[5/14/2019 10:09 AM] merissa4308
@A. Spencer(jast) that was similar to @AGr 's proposal, would have been more frequent and at least weekly, but he did not win the committee's support
[5/14/2019 10:09 AM] canibalcrab
We could save money by not having 5 storage units
[5/14/2019 10:10 AM] andrew5152
@merissa well, he didn't arrive with as many votes, anyway 😉
[5/14/2019 10:11 AM] canibalcrab
I only used the one and not much of it. The inconvenience of making someone have to go off site is really the only punishment we have for taking storage from the rest of the membership and then making someone else deal with it
[5/14/2019 10:11 AM] merissa4308
True 😉 but to be fair, Pearce won the support of the members present at the vote
[5/14/2019 10:11 AM] aceat64
we're basically paying hundreds of dollars to store what is effectively someone else's trash
[5/14/2019 10:12 AM] canibalcrab
No we are paying hundreds to store a bunch of committee trash because they won't move their stuff
[5/14/2019 10:12 AM] aceat64
lol so then it's _our_ trash
[5/14/2019 10:13 AM] canibalcrab
Like the 2 completely trashed large format printers
[5/14/2019 10:14 AM] andrew5152
would it be do-ocracying it to bring _all that sh....chtuff_ and drop it in the "new warehouse" and tell the committees to deal with it?
[5/14/2019 10:14 AM] canibalcrab
Doing that would get in the way of electrical
[5/14/2019 10:14 AM] andrew5152
or "garage sale" everything on...let's say May 17-19...
[5/14/2019 10:14 AM] draco_the_drake
Talk to the committee and offer to put them up for sale ...
[5/14/2019 10:15 AM] merissa4308
So we're saying logistics needs to have a more hard line approach with committees who want to put their stuff in offsite, right?
[5/14/2019 10:15 AM] andrew5152
hm. Like the garage sale idea. Schtuff doesn't even need to come back to DMS. Just hold it right there on premises of the storage lockers...
[5/14/2019 10:15 AM] canibalcrab
Although I feel like we could deal with it at the space.
[5/14/2019 10:15 AM] draco_the_drake
OR have the committee pay for storage
[5/14/2019 10:15 AM] aceat64
if the committee wants to pay for a storage unit out of their funds, I say let them, but it shouldn't be a logistics expense
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[5/14/2019 10:15 AM] canibalcrab
A lot of this is problems from the expansion
[5/14/2019 10:16 AM] canibalcrab
Like glassworks having most of a locker
[5/14/2019 10:16 AM] andrew5152
well, the BoD did approve _some_ of those storage lockers. for expansion. I think there may even be others, procured by the committees themselves...
[5/14/2019 10:16 AM] merissa4308
Selling off items (properly) should be the responsibility of the committee who "owns" the item, not logistics
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[5/14/2019 10:17 AM] draco_the_drake
If the board approved then there should be money allocated from the board each month designated for that committee to pay
[5/14/2019 10:17 AM] andrew5152
but _what do we do_ when the "owning committee" can't git'rdun?
[5/14/2019 10:17 AM] merissa4308
Logistics needs to give them a hard deadline then kick stuff to the dumpster
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[5/14/2019 10:17 AM] canibalcrab
I think it's all based on expansion at this point
[5/14/2019 10:18 AM] canibalcrab
Remember when the board said we would be in by November December?
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[5/14/2019 10:18 AM] andrew5152
I have a feeling we have the right people in the right places, logistics committee-wise for that to happen in the next 6 months...
[5/14/2019 10:18 AM] merissa4308
Not really though when some of it is broken/damaged equipment no longer used
[5/14/2019 10:18 AM] draco_the_drake
Side point: There needs to be something somewhere that says if you leave something here.. in your storage or committee storage or whatever storage ... if it exceeds the time limit .... it can be sold or given to another org
[5/14/2019 10:19 AM] canibalcrab
We can't just have them fill the 102 warehouse with stuff though.
[5/14/2019 10:19 AM] canibalcrab
What do you mean?
[5/14/2019 10:19 AM] canibalcrab
Stuff abandoned in the committee areas can be dealt with as needed by the committee
[5/14/2019 10:20 AM] canibalcrab
Which goes hand in hand with "no personal storage in committee areas"
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[5/14/2019 10:21 AM] draco_the_drake
For example, if someone leaves there personal storage and is no longer a member ... and there are things in the storage that can be sold or used .. it should be known that that can happen .. this goes with off-site committee storage that isn't agree to be paid in some way
[5/14/2019 10:22 AM] canibalcrab
Historically we trashed stuff because we don't want to be accused of theft and the what not if the person comes back and starts trying to reclaim property
[5/14/2019 10:23 AM] canibalcrab
Let's say someone had a nice circular saw in their storage
[5/14/2019 10:23 AM] canibalcrab
And we added it to the tool wall because it had been in off site for 2 months
[5/14/2019 10:24 AM] sewingstuff2561
I really feel like if your stuff has to be off sited you should be banned from using storage for at least 3 months.
[5/14/2019 10:24 AM] canibalcrab
They came back and had some way to prove ownership (I have no idea. It's an example)
[5/14/2019 10:24 AM] sewingstuff2561
Because a lot used to be frequent flyers.
[5/14/2019 10:24 AM] canibalcrab
Claimed we stole it and benefited from stealing it
[5/14/2019 10:24 AM] sewingstuff2561
Like I could predict some of the names every month I would see.
[5/14/2019 10:24 AM] draco_the_drake
I understand that ... perhaps selling it would be better or giving it to another 501c3 org
[5/14/2019 10:24 AM] canibalcrab
Yes. People need to lose storage rights
[5/14/2019 10:25 AM] canibalcrab
That doesn't happen currently but is on the slip they sign
[5/14/2019 10:25 AM] andrew5152
is the verbiage for that slip anywhere referenceable _other than the slip_?
[5/14/2019 10:26 AM] canibalcrab
All over the storage rules that are posted
[5/14/2019 10:26 AM] canibalcrab
They *sign* the slip
[5/14/2019 10:27 AM] draco_the_drake
It needs to be on the slip and in a membership agreement
[5/14/2019 10:27 AM] draco_the_drake
and plain to see
[5/14/2019 10:27 AM] canibalcrab
Otherwise I treated it like an EULA and haven't read it in a while
[5/14/2019 10:27 AM] andrew5152
I meant so that I could use them now for my own edification. I steer clear of storage for a variety of reasons (least being my forgetfulness would cause me to lose stuff)
[5/14/2019 10:28 AM] draco_the_drake
I mean it is pretty standard to auction off items from a storage place
[5/14/2019 10:28 AM] canibalcrab
It's not worth the accounting that would be required
[5/14/2019 10:28 AM] canibalcrab
You saw what got trashed yesterday
[5/14/2019 10:28 AM] canibalcrab
Pile of shit wood
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[5/14/2019 10:28 AM] draco_the_drake
I think it would be worth it ... IF it was worthy
[5/14/2019 10:28 AM] andrew5152
what were those long thingies in the foreground? looked expensive...
[5/14/2019 10:29 AM] draco_the_drake
not everything will be sold
[5/14/2019 10:29 AM] draco_the_drake
most will not
[5/14/2019 10:29 AM] canibalcrab
Front grey thing is a broken mat cutter
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[5/14/2019 10:29 AM] sewingstuff2561
Dude we could just trying selling the stuff that is for sure for sale first.
[5/14/2019 10:29 AM] sewingstuff2561
Rather than worrying about auctioning off random bits of wood
[5/14/2019 10:29 AM] canibalcrab
It was a bunch of trash wood. It's not worth doing the paperwork for
[5/14/2019 10:29 AM] sewingstuff2561
Because real talk it’s mostly wood
[5/14/2019 10:30 AM] andrew5152
what about just doing a pallet @ rene bates (or whatever)? "Pallet o' whatever random junk we removed from storage this month"
[5/14/2019 10:30 AM] andrew5152
shrink wrap that baby and send it off...
[5/14/2019 10:30 AM] sewingstuff2561
Those sell for like $10.
[5/14/2019 10:31 AM] sewingstuff2561
Not worth the time arranging it.
[5/14/2019 10:31 AM] canibalcrab
Personally. Spinning off a bunch of the storage to separate committees is a bad idea because they will have a plethora of different rules and no one will know what's going on ever.
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[5/14/2019 10:31 AM] andrew5152
it'd make me feel better than dumpstering it
[5/14/2019 10:31 AM] andrew5152
and take up less precious dumpster space
[5/14/2019 10:31 AM] sewingstuff2561
Don’t we generally dumpster it at the storage space or did that change?
[5/14/2019 10:32 AM] andrew5152
are we dumpstering @ storage site, or our own dumpster?
[5/14/2019 10:32 AM] draco_the_drake
I think we need video of the dumpstering of the stuff .. I think it might cut down on people leaving stuff
[5/14/2019 10:32 AM] canibalcrab
If you guys are willing to put the foot work into selling it, look up how we can sell it legally. It's abandoned member items.
[5/14/2019 10:32 AM] hon1nbo
the time and effort involved for anything other than trashing is not in the org's interest nor valuable use of volunteer's time
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[5/14/2019 10:32 AM] canibalcrab
Right
[5/14/2019 10:32 AM] sewingstuff2561
It’s also somewhat satisfying to dumpster it. Lol
[5/14/2019 10:32 AM] hon1nbo
apparently prior logistics and bod looked at abandoned property claims / sales. It's not worth the legal hassle
[5/14/2019 10:32 AM] draco_the_drake
It depends on what it is ... if it is worth $300 ...
[5/14/2019 10:33 AM] merissa4308
If we fully enforced existing storage rules, maybe people would get their act together and abide by the rules, remove their stuff, and we'd have less shit to deal with
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[5/14/2019 10:33 AM] hon1nbo
easier to toss
[5/14/2019 10:33 AM] canibalcrab
And I have no real interest in saving it for someone to bring back for me to throw away again. Not after the off sites I've done
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[5/14/2019 10:33 AM] hon1nbo
^^^ this
[5/14/2019 10:33 AM] canibalcrab
Right. Step 1 is getting back to full enforcement of the rules
[5/14/2019 10:33 AM] sewingstuff2561
I tossed out a sink once.
[5/14/2019 10:33 AM] draco_the_drake
If it is over a certain value ... I say .. sell it .. if not trash it
[5/14/2019 10:34 AM] sewingstuff2561
Again there’s the legwork in selling it.
[5/14/2019 10:34 AM] aceat64
right, the focus shouldn't be on "how do accommodate people who don't care about the stuff they leave?" it should be "how do ensure there's space available for people who actually want to work on projects?"
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[5/14/2019 10:34 AM] draco_the_drake
Yes and money to be made
[5/14/2019 10:34 AM] merissa4308
https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Logistics#Storage_Policies
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[5/14/2019 10:34 AM] canibalcrab
Even if that means I have to do it with Kris as chair and have to figure out her random extensions she gives out
[5/14/2019 10:34 AM] sewingstuff2561
Depends on how valuable you think volunteer time is.
[5/14/2019 10:34 AM] draco_the_drake
Pay for storage with what is in storage
[5/14/2019 10:34 AM] merissa4308
There's the text from the slip @A. Spencer(jast)
[5/14/2019 10:34 AM] draco_the_drake
make it pay for itself
[5/14/2019 10:35 AM] andrew5152
2016 was the last update? Really? OK.. Seems like yesterday...
[5/14/2019 10:35 AM] merissa4308
Hah
[5/14/2019 10:36 AM] merissa4308
I don't think the policy has changed, it just hasn't been enforced
[5/14/2019 10:36 AM] hon1nbo
@Draco there are legal implications on *claiming* abandoned property versus just trashing it
[5/14/2019 10:36 AM] hon1nbo
if we sell it we are claiming it
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[5/14/2019 10:36 AM] canibalcrab
I tried to update the wiki but I can't even figure out how to get it out of the busted visual editor
[5/14/2019 10:36 AM] hon1nbo
@pearce just use the source editor
[5/14/2019 10:36 AM] hon1nbo
I gave up on the visual editor
[5/14/2019 10:36 AM] canibalcrab
No habla
[5/14/2019 10:36 AM] draco_the_drake
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium ... that is what the storage agreement and membership agreement is for .. it isn't that complicated
[5/14/2019 10:37 AM] canibalcrab
@Draco the storage agreement was made so we could trash it. Not claim it.
[5/14/2019 10:37 AM] canibalcrab
Current one was at least
[5/14/2019 10:38 AM] draco_the_drake
Everyone is so up in arms over committee spending and board spending ... they value $$ ... why don't we at least see how much money *could* be made if we did sell the things ... get some data .. and then see if it is worth the trouble
[5/14/2019 10:38 AM] andrew5152
so if we retained a service, Junk Luggers, say, to _remove_ the stuff, would that be "claiming" or "discarding" the stuff?
[5/14/2019 10:39 AM] sewingstuff2561
It’s apparently complicated to claim abandoned property. Allen did some research on it so you might check with him.
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[5/14/2019 10:39 AM] draco_the_drake
I shall
[5/14/2019 10:39 AM] canibalcrab
This is all for stuff someone else has already abandoned once. It's not worth a ton of effort
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[5/14/2019 10:39 AM] aceat64
@A. Spencer(jast) I think that would fall under discarding, same as if we just scrapped it
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[5/14/2019 10:40 AM] andrew5152
@pearce if you click on "edit" it tries to open the visualedit, but should error out and xfer you to the markup editor. Just click on "edit source" instead, and it'll take you the markup editor. ez pz
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[5/14/2019 10:40 AM] hon1nbo
@Draco we can't out-write property laws in the state of texas; at the same time, we'd have issues over a few factors: cost of creating a proper legal document and effort of sale versus actual income; someone claiming they weren't treated the same as someone else; someone claiming that they were denied process so something could be sold; etc.
[5/14/2019 10:40 AM] hon1nbo
For the value of the crap people are leaving this is not worth the effort
[5/14/2019 10:41 AM] hon1nbo
then there are certain things you can't even write a simple document for
[5/14/2019 10:41 AM] hon1nbo
or sell legally
[5/14/2019 10:41 AM] andrew5152
so did "we" fill our dumpster, or storage's dumpster yesterday?
[5/14/2019 10:41 AM] hon1nbo
and we'd have to jump down the rabbit hole of figuring all of that out using volunteer hours etc
[5/14/2019 10:42 AM] canibalcrab
The storage place put a fucking gate on the dumpster because we kept filling it
[5/14/2019 10:43 AM] canibalcrab
So it has to be loaded up and brought back to the makerspace to be unloaded and trashed
[5/14/2019 10:43 AM] canibalcrab
Which is why I'm 100% for taking away storage rights
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[5/14/2019 10:43 AM] draco_the_drake
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium
cost of creating a proper legal document .... we have to create a membership agreement anyway
effort of sale versus actual income ... this requires data
someone claiming they weren't treated the same as someone else ... what? people arguing over if there thing was trashed or sold? Mine was unfairly trashed! It should have been sold! or the reverse? Doesn't make sense to me
someone claiming that they were denied process so something could be sold ... this is valid ...
[5/14/2019 10:44 AM] canibalcrab
Here's a question though. How long do we hold on to lost and found? Those boxes are piling up
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[5/14/2019 10:44 AM] sewingstuff2561
I’m actually in favor of getting rid of storage entirely unless you’re a teacher but that’s an unpopular opinion.
[5/14/2019 10:44 AM] andrew5152
that. right there. good reason to find another way. Whatever that may be. I think junkluggers is likely to do us a solid...
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[5/14/2019 10:45 AM] andrew5152
@SewingStuff Zach is on your side.
[5/14/2019 10:45 AM] aceat64
I think @AGr once suggested a long/slow conveyor belt that went to the dumpster, so that's also an option 🤣
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[5/14/2019 10:45 AM] merissa4308
He does need a new project... 😁
[5/14/2019 10:46 AM] merissa4308
Now that strandbeest is done
[5/14/2019 10:46 AM] sewingstuff2561
I liked the Brooks method where he just trashed everything but Allen apparently came up with this process because it’s less upsetting.
[5/14/2019 10:46 AM] andrew5152
wasn't that for the fridge?
[5/14/2019 10:46 AM] nullinterface
there's a duty of care associated with profiting from storage
[5/14/2019 10:47 AM] draco_the_drake
@aceat64 I really like that idea of the converyor belt ... or have the storage over the dumpster where you just press a button and it dumps into it
[5/14/2019 10:47 AM] hon1nbo
@Draco consider catalytic converters. If one of those is in storage and it was sold DMS could be in big trouble. The trouble is that property law is complicated, our lawyer isn't that kind of specialist (and on top of that would definitely not be in the retainer), the claim of unequal treatment is what we have right now (some people are allegedly given grace by means of personal favor by leadership),
As for the effort the cost of handling all that wood, chemicals, and other crap and the value it brings in is not worth the effort. We could do better with the time spent just trashing it and doing membership outreach?
The catalytic converter is a single example; there are tons of things we legally can't sell, or are logistically impractical to do so. Maintaining that list is problematic
[5/14/2019 10:48 AM] hon1nbo
people have all sorts of crap in there storage
[5/14/2019 10:48 AM] aceat64
we could get another dumpster, specifically for storage, just have it emptied once a week, no extension, no excuses lol
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[5/14/2019 10:48 AM] nullinterface
probably cheaper than renting a unit
[5/14/2019 10:48 AM] draco_the_drake
Yes .. the storage IS the dumpster ..
[5/14/2019 10:48 AM] aceat64
"I didn't know it would be thrown away!" it was literally in a dumpster already
[5/14/2019 10:49 AM] draco_the_drake
Dumpster with shelves
[5/14/2019 10:51 AM] sewingstuff2561
That’s sort of how I think of storage already.
[5/14/2019 10:52 AM] aceat64
no, it's clearly "scrap wood recycling with shelves" right now
[5/14/2019 10:53 AM] aceat64
you know on the plus side, I think throwing away wood might be carbon negative?
[5/14/2019 10:53 AM] aceat64
could spin it as an environmental win to trash the stuff
[5/14/2019 10:55 AM] hon1nbo
I say we have a space wood chipper dedicated for project storage
[5/14/2019 10:55 AM] hon1nbo
save on some dumpster space
[5/14/2019 10:55 AM] hon1nbo
at least until a box with something flammable hits it. But it's ok, the agreement will say the member needs to pay for a new wood chipper
[5/14/2019 10:59 AM] canibalcrab
Many people had chemicals on their shelves
[5/14/2019 10:59 AM] canibalcrab
And paints
[5/14/2019 11:01 AM] andrew5152
that really should be insta-ban from storage...
[5/14/2019 11:01 AM] andrew5152
but painting stuff is such a big part of makery things...
[5/14/2019 11:02 AM] andrew5152
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[5/14/2019 11:02 AM] nullinterface
industrial shredder conveying the detritus to a dumpster
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[5/14/2019 11:03 AM] andrew5152
x-committee project?
[5/14/2019 11:04 AM] andrew5152
dammit! now I have to watch this?
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[5/14/2019 11:04 AM] andrew5152
such a pity. That pan looks just fine in the vid...
[5/14/2019 11:05 AM] nullinterface
all the stereotypes
[5/14/2019 11:23 AM] stansimmons2031
Making Woodshop handle Woodshop storage would get rid of 75-90% of the off-site issues.... but only if they are absolutely not allowed to store wood products anywhere else.
[5/14/2019 11:25 AM] canibalcrab
And it would create a whole new ruleset for storage
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[5/14/2019 11:25 AM] canibalcrab
People are already confused at one set of rules
[5/14/2019 11:26 AM] stansimmons2031
I don't think it would matter if it was all inside the Woodshop area.
[5/14/2019 11:26 AM] canibalcrab
Not to mention storage of personal stuff in the committee areas.
[5/14/2019 11:26 AM] canibalcrab
Let the committee deal with keeping the tools working and finding new ones for the membership to take advantage of
[5/14/2019 11:27 AM] canibalcrab
We have a committee who is supposed to deal with getting project storage for the membership. Logistics
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[5/14/2019 11:27 AM] stansimmons2031
The current problem is that 75-90% of the storage issues are caused by projects that are clearly woodshop projects... and very little of the off-siting volunteer work is done by woodshop
[5/14/2019 11:28 AM] canibalcrab
Very little off siting is done at all
[5/14/2019 11:28 AM] canibalcrab
That's the issue
[5/14/2019 11:28 AM] stansimmons2031
If that was true, we wouldn't have a storage unit that is damn near full of off-sited garbage.
[5/14/2019 11:29 AM] canibalcrab
Not anymore
[5/14/2019 11:29 AM] canibalcrab
It's all boxed now
[5/14/2019 11:29 AM] canibalcrab
But realistically who's going to police if an item is woodshop or not?
[5/14/2019 11:30 AM] canibalcrab
Because it's wood you have to deal with woodshop? Or would there be exceptions because it has wood, but also metal. And plastic
[5/14/2019 11:30 AM] canibalcrab
Where's it go?
[5/14/2019 11:33 AM] merissa4308
Yeah I'm with Pearce. It seems like logistics should be finding ways to support the committee areas *better*, not push more tasks onto them
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[5/14/2019 11:34 AM] canibalcrab
All I see is the storage filling up and not getting cleared because they have better things to do with committee days
[5/14/2019 11:37 AM] andrew5152
has anything been discussed/tried regarding a sweat equity requirement before being allowed to use or extend storage? E.g. for every hour you spend helping with offsiting and/or auditing storage, you get 1 month "entitlement"? I can see the shortfalls in having to keep up with all the BS, but it shunts the grunt work off on to people who actually use it...
[5/14/2019 11:37 AM] merissa4308
Pearce said that's how he'd base granting extensions, putting in logistics work hours
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[5/14/2019 11:38 AM] andrew5152
maybe that's when the idea entered my conscience, but I credited my creativity 😄
[5/14/2019 11:39 AM] sewingstuff2561
Well and you could put the people who aren’t physically capable of lifting all of that stuff on phone call duty or something.
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[5/14/2019 11:40 AM] sewingstuff2561
I’d rather schlep than call any day.
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[5/14/2019 11:40 AM] merissa4308
Lol well I think he said that in the committee meeting and not on here/Talk, so it might just be that yall both come up with good ideas 😉
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[5/14/2019 11:43 AM] merissa4308
Phone calls are overkill in my opinion. People should know the rules/timeframes when they choose to use project storage and we shouldn't have to baby them.
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[5/14/2019 11:43 AM] canibalcrab
My wasteland group has an unreasonable number of people with broken backs. I can find non lifting jobs to do
[5/14/2019 11:45 AM] canibalcrab
My plan was to do off siting first, then give extensions based on who showed up to help. If there's too many people, or not enough to off site (a best case scenario) then we find something else to do. Sweeping. Cleaning tables. Taking out every trash can you can find etc
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[5/14/2019 11:45 AM] lavarocks.
Everyone has a broken back when it comes to manual labor
[5/14/2019 11:45 AM] canibalcrab
I noticed
[5/14/2019 11:45 AM] lavarocks.
I can’t get anyone to help with the ca flooring.
[5/14/2019 11:45 AM] lavarocks.
This is why we can’t have nice things
[5/14/2019 11:45 AM] lavarocks.
Like new flooring
[5/14/2019 11:47 AM] merissa4308
@Lavarocks if it can it be done a weekend other than memorial day we'll help
[5/14/2019 11:47 AM] lavarocks.
I have the ok to move it to the next weekend.
[5/14/2019 11:47 AM] lavarocks.
I didn’t mean to hijack this convo Pearce
[5/14/2019 11:48 AM] sewingstuff2561
I’m working graduation Sunday and at the hospital on Monday otherwise I’d offer.
[5/14/2019 11:48 AM] merissa4308
Awesome, I think myself or @AGr could help on 6/1
[5/14/2019 11:48 AM] sewingstuff2561
Flooring is pertinent to logistics.
[5/14/2019 11:51 AM] merissa4308
Helping DMS feels good, whether it's logistics/CA/whereever, and we need to figure out how to get more people to see it that way
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[5/14/2019 11:51 AM] sewingstuff2561
Food helps.
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[5/14/2019 11:52 AM] stephenie.
My teenage son looooved off-siting days when @LukeStrickland was Chair. Pizza. Being with his new friends.
[5/14/2019 11:53 AM] lavarocks.
I’m bringing pizza and drinks and we are hoping to make quick work of it.
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[5/14/2019 11:54 AM] stephenie.
We're in the thick of end-of-school. The timing is rotten, eden.
[5/14/2019 11:54 AM] stephenie.
Rats.
[5/14/2019 11:56 AM] canibalcrab
I'm not super funded so I can't be promising pizza and beer for the meetings. And am on the side of committee funds shouldn't be use to buy food(bribes) for volunteers
[5/14/2019 11:56 AM] agr0090
What happens on 6 1?
[5/14/2019 11:56 AM] canibalcrab
June does
[5/14/2019 11:57 AM] merissa4308
Flooring install in new CA area
[5/14/2019 11:57 AM] merissa4308
I volunteered one of us to help 😉
[5/14/2019 11:58 AM] agr0090
will common area be migrated before then?
[5/14/2019 11:58 AM] lavarocks.
I was told it is just waiting for electric by James- I asked if he could promise end of month and he said ok. He knows it is volunteer dependent
[5/14/2019 12:00 PM] agr0090
meaning electrical buildout for all of 102 including the drops needed to support new common area?
[5/14/2019 12:01 PM] stephenie.
@pearce They pooled their money for off-siting pizza.
[5/14/2019 12:01 PM] canibalcrab
Sounds like a plan to me
[5/14/2019 12:01 PM] lavarocks.
Yes. He said They need electric drops for common room and if digital media hadn’t moved he would move them.
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[5/14/2019 12:04 PM] agr0090
```1) Fixed term project storage, no extensions, no extension meeting. Every project gets 6 weeks from the time they print a ticket.
Currently you get anywhere from 8 days to 35 days to store your project before requiring an extension. Requesting / granting extensions is an extra ambiguous step that can have selective enforcement and requires extra communication / overhead
2) Local purgatory shelf, no 'off site'.
To reduce volunteer labor, at least once a week expired projects will be moved to purgatory shelf. When moved there its logged whose project it is and when it was placed there. Spending 5 weeks on purgatory shelf = thrown in dumpster
3) Ticket system enforces project storage bans, if your project gets moved to purgatory shelf you lose ability to use project storage for 1 to 2 months
4) Otherwise circumventing intended rules, like taking something off purgatory and putting it back in normal storage, would result in losing ability to use project storage for 1 to 2 months.```
[5/14/2019 12:06 PM] agr0090
Is what I previously proposed for project storage rules, a key feature is using the ticket generating system to enforce losing privileges. Its possible that the abandoned projects are all coming from brand new members instead of repeat offenders, in which case the managing project storage rights wouldn't actually help
[5/14/2019 12:06 PM] draco_the_drake
.... sell items .. buy pizza ... bribe people .. profit!
[5/14/2019 12:07 PM] draco_the_drake
err .. nonprofit!
[5/14/2019 12:09 PM] canibalcrab
I saw quite a few repeat offenders this time
[5/14/2019 12:15 PM] agr0090
Other idea I didn't list above which would be hard to enforce would be trying to limit project storage to a project. Meaning it's not a catch all storage area for you, but a place to put items related to a specific project with a specific deadline. That gets into the no extensions, would need to visually know whats in storage to see if they print a new ticket for the same project and then penalize them for that
[5/14/2019 12:21 PM] agr0090
Other random radical idea THAT IM MENTIONING WITHOUT FULLY THINKING OUT OR CONSULTING ANY DOMAIN EXPERTS THIS IS JUST A BRAINSTORMING IDEA AND IS LIKELY BAD could be to move away from smallish shelf based project storage entirely, and only have large pallet and vertical project storage. For example I built all of strandbeest by bringing boxes of all the parts to and from DMS every time, with the exception of using vertical storage to store some sheet plywood for up to a week before I cut it down. So could say if its small enough to transport in a car you don't need to leave it at dms.
[5/14/2019 12:24 PM] lavarocks.
You’ll feel the wrath of Cairenn for this idea
[5/14/2019 12:25 PM] sewingstuff2561
I think project storage should be completely removed except for teachers anyway
[5/14/2019 12:31 PM] agr0090
The big thing to guess at is how much value / utility having a spot to store a project provides to attracting new members, prompting them to join, if we could keep same membership level with no project storage then sure that would be great
[5/14/2019 5:27 PM] axeonos
id personally like to thank @pearce for all he's done for Logistics- i would nominate him for a month of membership but cant, so please accept my gratitude for all you've done, clearly giving your all when there is no rewards given. what volunteer help should be. Thank You.
[5/14/2019 5:31 PM] canibalcrab
haha i appreciate it anyway
[5/14/2019 6:26 PM] canibalcrab
logistic needs to apply reflective material on all the windows before texas switches back to hell
[5/14/2019 6:35 PM] lavarocks.
Better get started, hell starts next week.
[5/15/2019 10:05 AM] nullinterface
spray foam insulation
[5/15/2019 12:24 PM] agr0090
could just relocate thermostat to those rooms, keeping those rooms at normal temps while freezing out the rest of the space and burning through member money
[5/15/2019 12:27 PM] agr0090
or buy a window unit, and just set it on the floor in the doorway, to slightly cool that room while generating more heat for the hallway
[5/15/2019 12:28 PM] aceat64
the expensive, but ideal, option is to put more RTUs in
[5/15/2019 12:28 PM] aceat64
there's a non-trivial cost though
[5/15/2019 12:38 PM] yashsedai
At 15k minimum per....
[5/15/2019 12:51 PM] aceat64
could possibly do a ductless split system
[5/15/2019 1:04 PM] nullinterface
Those windows are immense. Are they even dual-pane?
[5/15/2019 1:07 PM] aceat64
likely no
[5/15/2019 1:07 PM] nullinterface
honestly, one thing the window industry has worked their d_mndest to obfuscate is the fact that windows are inherently inefficient. you can put film on them, exotic fill gasses, double/triple pane all you want - they'll pretty much never match a wall for insulation.
[5/15/2019 1:08 PM] andrew5152
put they're tops in transparency, which seems to be a "thing" @ DMS presently...
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[5/15/2019 1:11 PM] nullinterface
not a lot of *outdoorsy* types at DMS - and I don't consider my ill-advised strategy last year of "construction work during the summer" putting me into the *outdoorsy* category
[5/15/2019 1:11 PM] nullinterface
however, the humor wasn't lost on me 😉
[5/15/2019 1:13 PM] andrew5152
dadjokes'r'us (have to be "a certain age" to get that, too)
[5/15/2019 1:38 PM] kenpurcell
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[5/15/2019 8:02 PM] canibalcrab
Jeremy Aldridge was given a 2 day extension to get his stuff out and has printed a new storage ticket for himself.
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[5/15/2019 8:02 PM] canibalcrab
Should have been removed yesterday
[5/15/2019 8:07 PM] merissa4308
@kriskat30
[5/15/2019 8:13 PM] kriskat309685
Jimmie and he and I have been in conversation. I’ll let you know the outcome tomorrow
[5/15/2019 8:27 PM] canibalcrab
Can you document it anywhere?
[5/15/2019 8:34 PM] judykriehn3727
Jimmie is something like 80 years old. Not excusing the behavior, just providing perspective.
[5/15/2019 8:36 PM] canibalcrab
Right, we talked about that, but extending his spot prevents other people from getting a change to store their projects
[5/15/2019 8:38 PM] canibalcrab
There was an inpromptu discussion with a lot of logistics about "where's the middle ground" while we were waiting on trucks to not show up on sunday
[5/15/2019 9:21 PM] canibalcrab
Took the last box of stuff to off site after I talked to @yoda and he got rid of the big box
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[5/15/2019 9:39 PM] judykriehn3727
Gotcha
[5/15/2019 9:44 PM] canibalcrab
The tldr is that he was given extra chances recently and asked to not expand to multiple shelves, but ended up doing that anyway. And didn't ask for an extension on top of it
[5/16/2019 1:42 PM] kenpurcell
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium can you or @yashsedai fix my f'up with the title /name of the wiki page https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors_Meeting_20190516_Special_Meeting should be https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors_Meeting_20190515_Special_Meeting
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[5/16/2019 1:43 PM] yashsedai
sure
[5/16/2019 1:43 PM] yashsedai
well
[5/16/2019 1:43 PM] aceat64
you can move the page
[5/16/2019 1:43 PM] yashsedai
i can recreate the page
[5/16/2019 1:43 PM] aceat64
top right under the arrow/dropdown
[5/16/2019 1:43 PM] yashsedai
ah
[5/16/2019 1:43 PM] yashsedai
move should do
[5/16/2019 1:43 PM] yashsedai
^^
[5/16/2019 1:43 PM] yashsedai
damn weird terminology
[5/16/2019 1:44 PM] aceat64
think of it like in the linux command line, you don't rename files you `mv` them
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[5/16/2019 1:44 PM] aceat64
(yes I know there's a `rename` utility, but it's not a core util)
[5/16/2019 1:52 PM] yashsedai
aye
[5/16/2019 2:53 PM] doug.emes
I fixed denzokus meeting.minutes same way... he had month and date flip.flopped
[5/16/2019 2:53 PM] aceat64
YYYY-MM-DD is the how it should be, but that's a whole debate lol
[5/16/2019 3:07 PM] timooni
people say that MDY is unintuitive, but honestly... In my mind, it's not any different from YMD, it just takes the year and puts it in at the end where it belongs since it only changes once a year.
[5/16/2019 3:08 PM] timooni
I don't like DMY for the same reason I wouldn't like SS:MM:HH
[5/16/2019 3:10 PM] nullinterface
most significant digits first
[5/16/2019 3:11 PM] aceat64
it bothers me that _almost_ everything in technology is most to least, except dates and DNS
[5/16/2019 3:11 PM] aceat64
it should be org.dallasmakerspace.talk
[5/16/2019 3:11 PM] nullinterface
but hey. this is America and just because the rest of the world does it a more intuitive way doesn't mean will change our ways - witness the confusion at 24 hour time.
[5/16/2019 3:12 PM] nullinterface
newsgroups are that way
[5/16/2019 3:12 PM] timooni
hey why do we use radial subdivisions of hours
[5/16/2019 3:12 PM] timooni
we don't use sundials anymore
[5/16/2019 3:12 PM] nullinterface
natural division
[5/16/2019 3:12 PM] nullinterface
decimal was resisted for so long because it has so few natural dividers
[5/16/2019 3:13 PM] aceat64
I tried and failed to find a gif from the Simpsons about metric time
[5/16/2019 3:13 PM] aceat64
I believe it was the monorail episode
[5/16/2019 3:13 PM] timooni
monoraaaaaaail
[5/16/2019 3:13 PM] nullinterface
Swatch was big on measuring time in *Beats* for a while
[5/16/2019 3:14 PM] nullinterface
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time
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[5/16/2019 3:14 PM] nullinterface
1000 divisions per day
[5/16/2019 3:14 PM] andrew5152
this one, or a different one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP3nZ13AULs
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[5/16/2019 3:15 PM] nullinterface
one beat being 86.4 seconds per my hasty math
[5/16/2019 3:16 PM] aceat64
@A. Spencer(jast) that's the one
[5/20/2019 8:26 PM] agr0090
@pearce what do you need help with for logistics?
[5/20/2019 8:26 PM] canibalcrab
Ability to remove users from the storage system
[5/20/2019 8:27 PM] canibalcrab
Working with expansion on build out
[5/20/2019 8:27 PM] canibalcrab
And moving storage
[5/20/2019 8:29 PM] agr0090
Is the current code not on the dms github? https://github.com/Dallas-Makerspace
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[5/20/2019 8:29 PM] agr0090
not sure who originally deployed the current storage system
[5/20/2019 8:31 PM] canibalcrab
I'd like to plan to consolidate storage units
[5/20/2019 8:41 PM] agr0090
removing users from storage systems I guess begs the question of updating storage rules to setup punishments / rules
[5/20/2019 8:44 PM] canibalcrab
Rules as currently written.
[5/20/2019 8:44 PM] agr0090
would need more volume or a mass purge to consolidate units, not enough volume available
[5/20/2019 8:45 PM] canibalcrab
Loss of storage ability would coinside with removal from rfid system
[5/20/2019 8:46 PM] canibalcrab
I want to work on more storage. and a purge of vertical
[5/20/2019 8:46 PM] agr0090
Ha, I guess it does already mention bans, https://dallasmakerspace.org/w/images/f/fe/Project_Storage_1.0_2016-04-30.pdf
[5/20/2019 8:47 PM] agr0090
Not sure if I have ever read that pdf, didnt realize the wiki wasn't the full policy, "Members that have violated storage rules may be banned from using Storage for a period of time to be determined by the Logistics Chair"
[5/21/2019 12:25 AM] talkers
Was that written by @ESmith or @know ?
[5/21/2019 12:33 AM] hon1nbo
Make sure you let infra know about the details to actually implement RFID revolution for the storage tickets.
Other committees / groups have been using those tickets for non-storage things since it's a fast way to get a printout of member info with an entered description.
Examples include automotive bays (parts run notices) lockout-tagout safety interlocks (who has key / why locked), etc
[5/21/2019 12:33 AM] hon1nbo
I'll probably push for deploying another, more purpose made kiosk at that time
[5/21/2019 1:02 AM] canibalcrab
It would be the same system
[5/21/2019 1:02 AM] canibalcrab
Brandon was talking to Bill about it
[5/21/2019 1:44 AM] agr0090
Said that code only exists on that tablet, I forgot to ask what credentials are or how to escape the local browser page
[5/21/2019 7:47 AM] kenpurcell
You might need another unit to stage out of while you consolidate the units we have.
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[5/21/2019 8:17 AM] merissa4308
Or do we have parking spots at cubesmart now? I've seen DMS member vehicles parked there long term
[5/21/2019 10:03 AM] hon1nbo
Oh no, this parking stuff is getting out of hand.
Also code only exists on that tablet? That's a problem and we need to get it in our GitHub asap (after double checking no secret tokens are in it)
[5/21/2019 10:04 AM] stansimmons2031
I have more RPI's with screens if you need one for a second system.
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[5/21/2019 10:27 AM] nullinterface
not sure who wrote that policy offhand - timestamp is from when I was chair
[5/21/2019 10:28 AM] nullinterface
looks like my doing
[5/21/2019 10:31 AM] nullinterface
wiki page was TL;DR version
[5/21/2019 10:31 AM] nullinterface
not sure what *oral tradition* has translated into the general understanding of project storage usage among the membership in the >2 years since I was involved
[5/21/2019 1:12 PM] canibalcrab
Let's start planning for a meeting soon, what stuff do we need to buy/replace/repair.
[5/21/2019 1:14 PM] canibalcrab
June 2nd is the extension meeting, we should have a planning meeting before that, as the extension meeting will be spent doing physical work cleaning up the space. In an effort to reset the storage for more usability, extensions will be very hard to get.
[5/21/2019 1:22 PM] agr0090
Some ideas for potential talking points
1) When to start setting up shelving in 102 warehouse
Auto and machine shop are probably ~3 months out from moving (I'm guessing August / September), and there are several phases after that. When should we have work tables and some storage setup and useable in 102 warehouse?
2) Project Storage
How to keep current approach and rules with the modification of 'offsiting' to a special shelf that is in the warehouse, does that shelf need to be locked with time limited access to retrieve items? Automate ability to ban / limit members from printing new tickets after violation
3) Tool approach, per work table vs fixed tool walls vs tool carts
I think the best approach would be having two fixed tool walls and an abundance of project carts stored next to wall. Intended workflow would be a member goes to tool wall, pulls off what they need to use currently, use the cart to hold and move the tools to their work area, and then later returns tools
4) Standardized tool list
Sticking with ryobi, need to come up with list of ryobi tools to
5) Cleaning supplies
A refresh / standardization of simple things like brooms and dust pans
6) Work tables
Build awesome steel 4'x8' tables to displace current 5'x10' tables and some of the old Allen tables (not replacing the newly built tables, there are extra birch plywood tops that could be repurposed for these)
7) Come up with regular consumables list
Things logistics will need to purchase every month
[5/21/2019 1:23 PM] agr0090
8) How to downsize / reduce number of cubesmart storage units
[5/21/2019 1:24 PM] doug.emes
Regarding ryobi, there's several newer hand vac portable vac models, would be nice to have one for woodworking area outside of woodshop.
They also have battery powered soldering irons now, pretty nifty I bought one
[5/21/2019 1:25 PM] agr0090
Interesting hadn't seen that, that is one of the good things about ryobi, a ridiculous number of tools https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-Hybrid-Soldering-Station-Tool-Only-P3100/305124211
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[5/21/2019 1:26 PM] canibalcrab
The hand vac was actually functional when I used it at the space. I was expecting an asthmatic tool
[5/21/2019 1:27 PM] canibalcrab
I was impressed
[5/21/2019 1:27 PM] agr0090
probably an artifact of no one ever vacuuming, lol
[5/21/2019 1:27 PM] canibalcrab
1) expansion is having a meeting tonight, I can't attend but they should have some answers
[5/21/2019 1:28 PM] canibalcrab
2) could modify a pallet racks to have doors. Maybe tie it into the RFID system. And have it print a slip saying they lost storage rights( working idea)
[5/21/2019 1:29 PM] canibalcrab
3) how do we get people to use the carts and not just take tools. Otherwise not terrible
[5/21/2019 1:29 PM] canibalcrab
4) yes
[5/21/2019 1:30 PM] canibalcrab
5) 6) 7) 8) more yes
[5/21/2019 1:33 PM] doug.emes
The hand vac still works I emptied it couple night ago, but the bigger ones hold more wood crap etc, or spilled polypill beads, or whatever. Technically it's a wet dry one too
[5/21/2019 1:34 PM] doug.emes
i own these three:
[5/21/2019 1:34 PM] doug.emes
https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Stick-Vacuum-Cleaner-P718K/302681787
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[5/21/2019 1:35 PM] doug.emes
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[5/21/2019 1:35 PM] agr0090
With things being so spread out, I think carts will be used because its easier than making multiple trips from your table to the tool wall. I'm not a fan of the distribute tools to every work table idea just because of the overhead of managing it, so the providing carts for people to use is an inbetween solution
[5/21/2019 1:35 PM] agr0090
Other rule for tool wall, NO ryobi powered sanding equipment allowed
[5/21/2019 1:35 PM] doug.emes
https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-6-Gal-Cordless-Wet-Dry-Vacuum-Tool-Only-with-Hose-Crevice-Tool-Floor-Nozzle-and-Extension-Wand-P770/302775352
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[5/21/2019 1:35 PM] doug.emes
the 3rd one is a little anemic for its size
[5/21/2019 1:36 PM] canibalcrab
I'd agree with no sanders
[5/21/2019 1:37 PM] canibalcrab
I'm not sure if we need to go Ryobi on the large vacuums if they aren't better/cost effective. Unless they want to sponsor us or something
[5/21/2019 1:38 PM] doug.emes
the middle one is great for spills oops
[5/21/2019 1:38 PM] doug.emes
dry or wet
[5/21/2019 1:38 PM] doug.emes
rather than hauling around a 10gallon one
[5/21/2019 1:38 PM] doug.emes
the stick one we use in the kitchen, the dog room, etc
[5/21/2019 1:39 PM] doug.emes
and technically on my ceiling fans
[5/21/2019 1:39 PM] doug.emes
heh
[5/21/2019 1:39 PM] agr0090
Note this is not an actual floorplan but just what I found immediately to photoshop, but a general approach to where I think the general work areas and tool walls could go roughly.
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[5/21/2019 1:40 PM] agr0090
I couldn't find a marlow final layout on my hd and cant access talk right now
[5/21/2019 1:40 PM] canibalcrab
Oh so they would never come back together like I had thought
[5/21/2019 1:41 PM] canibalcrab
2 separate ones doesn't feel unreasonable
[5/21/2019 1:41 PM] stansimmons2031
The north primary worktable area is in the front, not back
[5/21/2019 1:41 PM] agr0090
they would be ~150 feet apart
[5/21/2019 1:44 PM] canibalcrab
That map is a bit out dated but good start to go on
[5/21/2019 1:48 PM] agr0090
Potential tool wall locations
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[5/21/2019 1:49 PM] agr0090
I can work on making a drawing of current location of things for future planning purposes later this week
[5/21/2019 1:52 PM] canibalcrab
Might use the upper right corner instead of the woodshop windows but otherwise reasonable
[5/21/2019 1:53 PM] canibalcrab
Nope that's a fake dotted line not a wall
[5/21/2019 1:53 PM] canibalcrab
That's annoyingly lacking in usable wall space
[5/21/2019 1:58 PM] stansimmons2031
Since the woodshop walls haven't been built, float any minor changes you want to expansion. Walls without windows are cheaper....
[5/21/2019 2:12 PM] agr0090
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[5/21/2019 2:12 PM] agr0090
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[5/21/2019 2:12 PM] agr0090
One idea for tool walls, no tool chest or drawers anywhere, buy premade sets of tools and foam inserts, the foam inserts would be mounted on tool wall at a 45 degree angle
[5/21/2019 2:13 PM] agr0090
of course it would be much cheaper to make our own foam holders, but someone selling both the foam trays AND tools means for only 2-5x more money its already done and easily replaceable in the future
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[5/21/2019 3:04 PM] judykriehn3727
FYI- James indicated that that northern end of the 102 warehouse is being reworked. At the time he was providing overview, hatchers was going to go somewhere along the north wall, the sink was going to back up to plastics, and JSM and Ceramics might be shifted as well. I’ve slept since then, so don’t remember specifics.
[5/21/2019 3:24 PM] agr0090
Sounds like something I would have suggested https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/expansion-layout-finalized-8-10/40720/130
[5/21/2019 8:56 PM] canibalcrab
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/free-toolbox-or-donation/56332
[5/21/2019 8:56 PM] canibalcrab
does logistics need another toolbox?
[5/21/2019 8:57 PM] canibalcrab
for the new big committee room maybe?
[5/21/2019 9:05 PM] agr0090
I would suggest having no toolboxes at all, makes it hard to find stuff and just becomes a hidden mess
[5/21/2019 9:05 PM] canibalcrab
yeah i could see that
[5/21/2019 9:05 PM] agr0090
Could instead have open face bins or foam organizer shelves on tool wall
[5/21/2019 9:05 PM] canibalcrab
its also smaller than i thought. the picture finally got added
[5/22/2019 10:25 PM] canibalcrab
Might be the best area to do locked shelves for "off site eviction"
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[5/22/2019 10:26 PM] merissa4308
Can we name the area project purgatory? 😁
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[5/22/2019 10:27 PM] doug.emes
Like both
[5/22/2019 10:29 PM] canibalcrab
Print makings current wall setup. Could be used as tool walls
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[5/22/2019 10:58 PM] judykriehn3727
Astrud is planning to use the wall facing 3D fab as a gallery wall. FYI.
[5/22/2019 11:02 PM] canibalcrab
Yeah I was told about that, I think it's better as a gallery on that side. That way people seleting tools won't be in the walkway
[5/22/2019 11:07 PM] stansimmons2031
@pearce I have a business card from someone looking to do cleaning services for us to replace the current cleaning lady. I have it with me if you want it.
[5/22/2019 11:37 PM] agr0090
Could also consider simply not having locked access (that would require either fencing around shelf or some kind of rollup netting or door on shelves) and depend on taking pictures of whats put there and enforcing penalty by restricting ability to print tickets for new projects for some time
[5/23/2019 12:35 PM] canibalcrab
@AGr I was thinkg rfid locked access. And badges that unlock the fence get auto removed from the storage system for x time.
[5/23/2019 12:36 PM] canibalcrab
So in order to get your stuff back you have to knowingly revoke your storage ability
[5/23/2019 12:37 PM] canibalcrab
@StanSimmons I will pick it up from you next time I see you, but I don't know that logistics controls that contract or if we are having issues with the current cleaning lady
[5/23/2019 12:37 PM] canibalcrab
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/landlord-agent-on-site-friday-5-24-2019-a-m/56422
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Hello. Please note that our landlord representative will be here to visit the premises tomorrow a.m. The cleaner and tidier and more “ship shape” the place looks, the better. Please do what you can to help out…even a little (e.g. straightening up a classroom, cleani...
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[5/23/2019 12:37 PM] canibalcrab
/tableflip
[5/23/2019 12:38 PM] agr0090
ah, interesting idea of rfid access to secured area changing your permissions
[5/23/2019 12:38 PM] canibalcrab
Anyways, we have a bunch of shit to clean up. The fire cabinet has stacks of chems *on top* of it.
[5/23/2019 12:38 PM] canibalcrab
There's a metric fuck ton of parking lot violations.
There's paint all over everything outside.
The place is generally a mess.
[5/23/2019 12:39 PM] agr0090
the bottom shelf of paint cabinet could be restacked to fit more into it, but be sure to wear suitable respirator while doing it
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[5/23/2019 12:39 PM] agr0090
Could move 5 gallon paint buckets onto logistics committee shelf
[5/23/2019 12:40 PM] agr0090
dont think I can make it tonight, need to wash car and watch spacex launch
[5/23/2019 12:40 PM] canibalcrab
I'll be there tonight, I have to wait for a package to get to my house before I can leave
[5/23/2019 12:40 PM] andrew5152
what happens if you put fire _inside_ the fire cabinet?
[5/23/2019 12:40 PM] agr0090
it gets hot
[5/23/2019 12:40 PM] canibalcrab
It cleans itself
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[5/23/2019 12:54 PM] yashsedai
latex paint doesnt belong in the fire cabinet
[5/23/2019 12:57 PM] canibalcrab
Personal storage doesn't either. If we can spray paint we shouldn't be storing it as well
[5/23/2019 1:07 PM] yashsedai
Aye
[5/23/2019 1:09 PM] aceat64
self cleaning fire cabinet, just like an oven
[5/23/2019 1:11 PM] yashsedai
lol if only
[5/23/2019 1:11 PM] yashsedai
just add some boiled linseed oil and paper towels
[5/23/2019 1:15 PM] nullinterface
sequester that carbon in the atmosphere
[5/23/2019 1:22 PM] yashsedai
spontaneous combustion GO!
[5/23/2019 1:47 PM] stansimmons2031
@pearce the cleaning lady is just getting WAY too comfortable. She sits and chats with members regularly and disappears occasionally during the day. She does an ok job cleaning but doesn't understand anything about cross contamination... I've seen her mop the bathroom then immediately mop the kitchen. She has been talked to about that.
[5/23/2019 1:49 PM] yashsedai
ewwwww
[5/23/2019 1:50 PM] canibalcrab
I've heard the complacency argument for swapping cleaning services every year or so
[5/23/2019 1:51 PM] canibalcrab
I'll look into who oversees the contract
[5/23/2019 1:51 PM] stansimmons2031
Logistics
[5/23/2019 1:51 PM] doug.emes
Perhaps he ment on her firm side
[5/23/2019 1:52 PM] stansimmons2031
Kris has been handling the contract on our end... so good luck with that.
[5/23/2019 1:52 PM] yashsedai
lol
[5/23/2019 1:52 PM] stansimmons2031
She is not a happy camper right now
[5/23/2019 1:53 PM] stephenie.
What are the contract terms for requesting the cleaning company to send us a new cleaning lady?
[5/23/2019 1:53 PM] stansimmons2031
I've never seen the contract
[5/23/2019 1:53 PM] canibalcrab
I'm pretty sure it was a board action though. Because they sign contracts
[5/23/2019 1:54 PM] stephenie.
It's one of the benefits of having an arm's length relationship, being able to replace workers as needed.
[5/23/2019 1:54 PM] canibalcrab
Happy camper or not, Kris should be able to hand over the needed info
[5/23/2019 1:55 PM] stansimmons2031
Steve B may have info on the contract and will be easier to have a conversation with
[5/23/2019 1:55 PM] stephenie.
Surely contract is on file on site?
[5/23/2019 1:55 PM] stansimmons2031
Might be, not being on the BoD, I've never seen it.
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[5/23/2019 1:56 PM] stansimmons2031
Didn't care enough to ask either. 😉
[5/23/2019 1:56 PM] canibalcrab
I'll ping when I can look up the meeting minutes where it was approved
[5/23/2019 1:57 PM] stansimmons2031
want me to text a pic of the card the other guy left?
[5/23/2019 1:57 PM] canibalcrab
Sure
[5/23/2019 1:57 PM] stephenie.
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[5/23/2019 1:57 PM] stephenie.
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[5/23/2019 1:58 PM] stansimmons2031
0470?
[5/23/2019 1:58 PM] canibalcrab
Yes
[5/23/2019 2:07 PM] hon1nbo
also Kathy might have info; I'm assuming we're actually paying
[5/23/2019 2:15 PM] canibalcrab
From that screenshot it does look like it comes from logistics. Nothing on the contract or company though
[5/23/2019 3:33 PM] stephenie.
Promise Total Services https://www.promisesvc.com/ourservices.php
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Promise Total Services - Our Services
[5/23/2019 3:34 PM] stephenie.
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[5/23/2019 3:34 PM] canibalcrab
Good find
[5/23/2019 3:34 PM] stephenie.
QBO-ing over here.
[5/23/2019 3:35 PM] stephenie.
Look...we are due regular site inspections. that would help with issues. So much easier than switching companies.
[5/23/2019 3:37 PM] stephenie.
Memo field in QBO: "Monthly Day Porter Service 5 days a week/ 7 hours a day schedule $16.25/hr x 7/hrs/day 5 days/ week x 4.33 weeks"
[5/23/2019 3:38 PM] canibalcrab
I'll get some authority to make contact as a DMS rep and give them a shout. Or get the bod or another official to do so with me
[5/23/2019 3:47 PM] stansimmons2031
Seems to me Logistics would already have the authority
[5/23/2019 3:57 PM] canibalcrab
I would think so, but I'm not a fan of that "acting on behalf of DMS rule" that was made. Will play the game until rules are changed.
[5/23/2019 3:57 PM] canibalcrab
CYA and all that
[5/23/2019 8:47 PM] hon1nbo
I don't think that time applies, it's only representing DMS to a public official. It's logistics contract and allocation iirc
[5/23/2019 8:54 PM] yashsedai
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[5/23/2019 9:30 PM] canibalcrab
Top left - labeled committee stuff. Mostly not fire hazard stuff.
Top right - flammable stuff, unknown owners, disposal issues.
Middle left - spray paint. Cant use it here. Shouldn't be storing it. Potential disposal issues.
Middle right - deep gloss stainless maintainer 10x bottles. Unknown owner. 7x map gas 2x propane tanks. Various owners
Bottom shelf big bottles. Bleach, muriatic acid, aquascat2 (?) Compressor oil, machine shop gear oil. Most of bottom shelf doesn't need to be in cabinet
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[5/23/2019 9:54 PM] yashsedai
lol
[5/23/2019 9:54 PM] yashsedai
you know about chlorine and oil right?
[5/23/2019 9:54 PM] yashsedai
*shudders*
[5/23/2019 9:55 PM] yashsedai
!help
[5/23/2019 9:55 PM] yashsedai
/slaps @dallas-makerspace
[5/23/2019 9:57 PM] andrew5152
I know nothing of chlorine + oil. what's the story on that?
[5/23/2019 10:04 PM] yashsedai
fire...
[5/23/2019 10:04 PM] yashsedai
the sodium hypochlorite content may be low enough in the consumer stuff to not matter
[5/23/2019 10:04 PM] yashsedai
having seen pool tabs and oil is not pretty
[5/23/2019 10:10 PM] yashsedai
not shooting the messenger
[5/23/2019 10:10 PM] canibalcrab
We literally just emptied this shelf off.
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[5/23/2019 10:10 PM] canibalcrab
It's not a storage rack
[5/23/2019 10:10 PM] yashsedai
agree
[5/23/2019 10:10 PM] yashsedai
its a logistics shel
[5/23/2019 10:10 PM] yashsedai
read the sds, dont store the bleach in the fire cabinet 😛
[5/23/2019 10:10 PM] canibalcrab
Where to store then?
[5/23/2019 10:11 PM] yashsedai
put it in the cleaning closet up by ca
[5/23/2019 10:11 PM] yashsedai
there are shelves behind the door
[5/23/2019 10:11 PM] yashsedai
also any ammonia based products in that cabinet?
[5/23/2019 10:18 PM] canibalcrab
Not that I know of
[5/23/2019 10:18 PM] canibalcrab
Moved the bleach
[5/23/2019 10:20 PM] andrew5152
_scribbling notes that I should try a pool tablet in oil bucket experiment_
[5/23/2019 10:21 PM] yashsedai
lol
[5/23/2019 10:23 PM] andrew5152
how far back should I stand?
[5/23/2019 10:23 PM] yashsedai
bleach + ammonia is even worse
[5/23/2019 10:23 PM] yashsedai
the chlorine and oil bit is not violently explosive
[5/23/2019 10:23 PM] yashsedai
id step back a good 15-25 feet
[5/23/2019 10:25 PM] yashsedai
it will take a minute and then spout sad flame as long as its not enclosed,
[5/23/2019 10:27 PM] andrew5152
_bleach and ammonia_ right. got it. 😆 Wait. We had a housekeeper do ammonia+bleach in a dorm commode once...
[5/23/2019 10:27 PM] andrew5152
chlorine gas, IIRC
[5/23/2019 10:37 PM] yashsedai
lol yep
[5/23/2019 10:37 PM] yashsedai
thats just one of the products in that reaction
[5/23/2019 10:37 PM] yashsedai
This post explains
[5/23/2019 10:37 PM] yashsedai
https://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/2759/synthesis-of-hydrazine-with-bleach-and-ammonia
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I am trying to make rocket fuel using hydrazine, hydrogen peroxide and home products. I want to put an action figure in orbit.
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[5/23/2019 10:42 PM] canibalcrab
All that trash paint
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[5/23/2019 10:55 PM] judykriehn3727
Welp. I live close to the Dallas county chemical collection place. It’s on Plano Rd between Forest and Miller rd.
[5/23/2019 10:57 PM] canibalcrab
Yeah I'm close too but I recently had to dump a ton from my previous home owner. I don't want to make people dump it on behalf of dms
[5/23/2019 10:57 PM] canibalcrab
That might be needed if we can't find a solution
[5/23/2019 10:58 PM] yashsedai
That lokos awesome!
[5/23/2019 10:58 PM] yashsedai
Looks*
[5/23/2019 10:59 PM] judykriehn3727
Lokos=band name
[5/23/2019 11:21 PM] yashsedai
Do you know how much of that is latex vs oil base?
[5/23/2019 11:22 PM] yashsedai
for all the latex, this can be used https://www.homedepot.com/p/Paint-Hardener-SSA-2170-PK/205572888
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HDX Paint Hardener is used to harden latex paints. The superabsorbent powders encapsulate the liquid component of the paint, forming a solid block of material. The hardened paint is acceptable for curbside
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[5/23/2019 11:22 PM] yashsedai
we can put it in our regular trash
[5/23/2019 11:48 PM] canibalcrab
I didn't read that far into the labels
[5/23/2019 11:49 PM] yashsedai
no worries, i can look
[5/23/2019 11:49 PM] yashsedai
should be around tomorrow
[5/23/2019 11:57 PM] canibalcrab
I was only looking for "flammable/inflammable"
[5/24/2019 12:19 AM] yashsedai
Not trying to nit pick ya to death I promise! Just trying to make life easier
[5/24/2019 12:20 AM] hon1nbo
Home depot will take the Bher paint for disposal
[5/24/2019 12:20 AM] hon1nbo
At least that's what I used to do
[5/24/2019 12:21 AM] hon1nbo
Just don't try and take valspar to HD for disposal.... Or whatever the Lowe's one is,and vise versa. The policy is if they sell it they'll dispose of it. I've brought in upwards of 12 cans
[5/24/2019 12:24 AM] hon1nbo
@pearce regarding "emptying" of the loading dock shelves what all was actually removed? Hard to tell from the photo; a chunk of that stuff is actually DMS resources.
[5/24/2019 12:27 AM] canibalcrab
We tossed trash wood and broken stuff
[5/24/2019 12:27 AM] canibalcrab
We moved a bunch to the emptied out logistics committee shelf
[5/24/2019 12:28 AM] canibalcrab
Like LED lights and stuff
[5/24/2019 12:28 AM] canibalcrab
Moved two old air reels that probably got decommissioned when the roboreels when up, gave them to automotive tonight
[5/24/2019 12:29 AM] canibalcrab
Extension cables were put on the tool walls with surge protectors and what not
[5/24/2019 12:30 AM] canibalcrab
Grill was left there along with pop up tent thing. but should find a better home
[5/24/2019 12:30 AM] canibalcrab
It's mosts car interior parts that got moved onto the shelf.
[5/24/2019 12:31 AM] hon1nbo
The rest of the tent setup is in the storage facing woodshop annex as it's home; it got overpacked in the annex area so the tent itself didn't fit with the blower etc
[5/24/2019 12:31 AM] hon1nbo
If room can be made would be best to go with the rest of the gear
[5/24/2019 12:32 AM] hon1nbo
Also some of those LED lights were part of the tent; there should have been a wiring harness with them
[5/24/2019 12:33 AM] canibalcrab
they looked like replacements for the ones in the roof, the ones with duct tape pigtails were left intact and moved to the logi shelf
[5/24/2019 12:34 AM] canibalcrab
i dont remember a harness for them to plug into though
[5/24/2019 12:34 AM] hon1nbo
IIRC they're similar models. I wasn't aware of duct tape work on the cables; of have to take a look, someone may have damaged it or tried to make a new one
[5/24/2019 12:35 AM] hon1nbo
Basically it looked like orange tombstones so the lights could be hung on the tent frame and hooked up to power
[5/24/2019 12:35 AM] canibalcrab
there were several that looked like someone rigged them to work on 120 outlets
[5/24/2019 12:35 AM] hon1nbo
Yeah that's them
[5/24/2019 12:35 AM] hon1nbo
Personally I think some proper plugin lighting would be better
[5/24/2019 12:35 AM] hon1nbo
But that's what we currently have
[5/24/2019 12:35 AM] canibalcrab
they were all crudely taped up
[5/24/2019 12:35 AM] hon1nbo
Le sigh
[5/24/2019 12:36 AM] hon1nbo
Someone probably got rough with them and tried to fix it
[5/24/2019 12:36 AM] hon1nbo
It's been ages since I needed the lights personally using the tent so I hadn't looked at them
[5/24/2019 8:16 AM] nullinterface
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium "tent" is something to do with ... powder coating?
[5/24/2019 9:18 AM] hon1nbo
powder coating is what I use it for, it's really for anything outside that just needs a roof over it's head
[5/24/2019 9:18 AM] hon1nbo
Like if someone is using an epoxy or something that's noxious I'd help them set up the tent to do it outside if they're able
[5/24/2019 9:18 AM] hon1nbo
(well, more willing than able. :P)
[5/24/2019 9:23 AM] nullinterface
gotcha
[5/24/2019 9:42 AM] hon1nbo
We actually need to patch some of the side walls; it's seen better days. The blower and door setup is pretty nice but could prbably be tweaked to make it more user friendly. Some of the tent is not clear to someone who has never seen it assembled how it all fits together if you need the filtered air coming in and filtered air going out.
[5/24/2019 9:43 AM] hon1nbo
I usually teach it as part of my powder coating class assuming the weather and other space goings are conducive to using it
[5/24/2019 10:35 AM] merissa4308
Looks like you got a lot done! Thank you @pearce ! 🏆 :dms:
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[5/24/2019 10:37 AM] canibalcrab
@aceat64 came up and heleped me sort through all that paint as well. Can't take all the credit
[5/24/2019 10:38 AM] merissa4308
Awesome, great work guys!
[5/24/2019 10:42 AM] stansimmons2031
Looks like the stuff for the second LED picnic bench got dumped. That was Ben P.'s eagle scout stuff that he was doing for DMS.
[5/24/2019 10:43 AM] merissa4308
Weeks ago Kris said she was going to make Ben get rid of it or it would be trashed
[5/24/2019 10:53 AM] aceat64
The only stuff we threw away last night was trash, e.g. completely empty plastic bottles
[5/24/2019 10:56 AM] canibalcrab
His stuff was still under the table as far as I know.
[5/24/2019 10:57 AM] canibalcrab
If you are referring to the resin that was on top of the fire cabinet, it was open and too old to be cured properly. And had someone elses name on it
[5/24/2019 11:00 AM] canibalcrab
What Merissa said + the fact that none of her special cases are documented anywhere.
[5/24/2019 11:02 AM] merissa4308
Ah yeah I only knew of the wood and stuff under the table
[5/24/2019 11:25 AM] canibalcrab
As far as I know Ben's stuff is still here
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[5/24/2019 11:51 AM] canibalcrab
Is woodshop just moving all their broken/unwanted tools into 102 warehouse?
[5/24/2019 11:58 AM] canibalcrab
What's this for?
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[5/24/2019 11:58 AM] aceat64
[smartass answer about holding items vertically]
[5/24/2019 11:59 AM] canibalcrab
And the large printer that's in pieces.
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[5/24/2019 12:00 PM] merissa4308
Is that the big printer that was in CA annex?
[5/24/2019 12:12 PM] canibalcrab
No those are in storage
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[5/24/2019 12:15 PM] merissa4308
So no indication of who/what committee it belongs to?
[5/24/2019 12:15 PM] canibalcrab
Nope
[5/24/2019 12:15 PM] canibalcrab
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium these are the rigged LEDs
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[5/24/2019 12:21 PM] canibalcrab
Talked to the guy with car parts on the shelf we cleaned, he should be moving them to project storage
[5/24/2019 2:25 PM] judykriehn3727
The broken woodshop stuff is (supposedly) earmarked for a garage sale. Mark was a bit gun shy about trying to quickly divest Dms of the stuff after the bus brouhaha.
[5/24/2019 2:27 PM] judykriehn3727
Astrud and Paul said something about a large format printer on the dock that had not been disposed of, but I’m not real clear on the thing above vs the stuff in offsite.
[5/24/2019 2:45 PM] aceat64
As long as it's posted publically and we aren't cutting special deals for members it shouldn't be a problem to sell
[5/24/2019 2:46 PM] judykriehn3727
Or special deals for non members
[5/24/2019 2:58 PM] agr0090
maybe a subject for next logistics meetings, but wondering what state of electrical work is, should we plan on setting up all the pallet racks next week?
[5/24/2019 3:19 PM] stansimmons2031
Not next week, we are still getting bids for electric. In fact the stuff automotive put up needs go come down for fire alarm wiring work that is happening Wednesday.
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[5/24/2019 3:25 PM] nullinterface
in my observation that printer has been in various degrees of being stripped for parts
[5/24/2019 3:50 PM] yashsedai
mmmm
[5/24/2019 3:50 PM] yashsedai
partsss
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[5/24/2019 4:24 PM] hon1nbo
@pearce good, it's not what I feared. It's still using the proper tombstone's looks like someone just added some stability. Thosr are push in wire tombstone's so I'm not worried but I think when we have time we can do better
Regarding Ben's work, the table was *paid* for by DMS. If we tossed the surface we may be in trouble, as the one outside we recently explained to him he used bartop resin, which was already cracking since it's not UV rated. That was the replacement top IIRC
[5/24/2019 4:24 PM] canibalcrab
I posted the resin he was using
[5/24/2019 4:24 PM] canibalcrab
It's still with his stuff
[5/24/2019 4:24 PM] hon1nbo
BTW, as logistics here is the skinny on that table, if you see Ben working on anything other than the table at DMS his scoutmaster is supposed to be informed
[5/24/2019 4:25 PM] hon1nbo
He cut the project short below what the project was stated at and if he doesn't finish it they have to know for his eagle status
[5/24/2019 4:25 PM] canibalcrab
The resin I threw away was wasted by being opened and not used. And wasn't the stuff you would use on a table
[5/24/2019 4:25 PM] hon1nbo
Yeah I pointed out to him it was the wrong stuff
[5/24/2019 4:25 PM] canibalcrab
And there wasn't enough for a table
[5/24/2019 4:25 PM] hon1nbo
Just making sure the replacement top was still around
[5/24/2019 4:25 PM] canibalcrab
I'm at least familiar with resisns. The top is still under the table where it's not being worked on.
[5/24/2019 4:26 PM] canibalcrab
Kris did tell him it needed to leave during an off site
[5/24/2019 4:26 PM] hon1nbo
Yeah, basically his current plan is to try and fix the existing one
[5/24/2019 4:26 PM] hon1nbo
That's news to me, Kris told me it was still there to fix the current table
[5/24/2019 4:26 PM] hon1nbo
But *throws hands up* this is why we need documentation
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[5/24/2019 4:27 PM] canibalcrab
Yep
[5/24/2019 4:29 PM] hon1nbo
BTW, infrastructure is getting LucidChart setup for our diagramming. Since it's in blocks of users for smaller licensing, would logistics be interested in a user or two for floor planning and the like? The nice thing about it is you can embed the linked images in the wiki, and they autoupdate as changes are made.
[5/24/2019 4:30 PM] canibalcrab
I'm sure we could use it but I don't know who right now
[5/24/2019 4:31 PM] hon1nbo
Well there's not a rush on it, but it's an option. It's going to be tied to the DMS Google/Okta SSO
[5/24/2019 4:31 PM] hon1nbo
Supports teams etc
[5/24/2019 4:32 PM] hon1nbo
Unlike Visio supports collaborative editing
[5/24/2019 7:56 PM] stansimmons2031
Does Logistics handle the Parks Pantry thing, or does the BoD?
[5/24/2019 7:58 PM] axeonos
Both a little bit. Board talks to parks and we make sure parks cards are requested
[5/24/2019 7:58 PM] stansimmons2031
BoD did the agreement?
[5/24/2019 8:00 PM] axeonos
Yup
[5/27/2019 11:10 PM] canibalcrab
Looking to have a logistics meeting on thursday night to get a roadmap going for logistics
[5/27/2019 11:13 PM] agr0090
Submitted to calendar yet?
[5/27/2019 11:14 PM] canibalcrab
no just got out of DnD
[5/27/2019 11:19 PM] canibalcrab
submitted and pending
[5/27/2019 11:19 PM] canibalcrab
thursday at 730
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[5/28/2019 8:49 AM] nullinterface
did some minor cleanup on the Logistics wiki pages:
- listed Pearce as provisional chair
- updated some past meetings with the correct tags so they'd auto-accumulate
- removed a redundant links section to past meeting minutes (2017)
some other cleanup seems necessary but that's something that will come from the meeting
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[5/28/2019 9:23 AM] stansimmons2031
I bumped the meeting up to the calendar
[5/28/2019 10:38 AM] stansimmons2031
@pearce, we are out of paper towel rolls, and low on other paper goods. Do you want me to continue to get that stuff from Costco/Sams like I have in the past?
[5/28/2019 10:59 AM] merissa4308
@pearce
[5/28/2019 11:06 AM] canibalcrab
That's one of the things i wanted to look at in the meeting
[5/28/2019 11:08 AM] canibalcrab
Thanks @ESmith
[5/28/2019 11:33 AM] canibalcrab
@StanSimmons I had the logistics meeting in the lobby classroom, was that available to use? I figured the (do not use)from the certificate of occupancy stuff and just hadn't been removed
[5/28/2019 11:36 AM] stansimmons2031
We don't have cameras up everywhere yet, so still limiting non-DMS business meetings in the north side, but Logistics is obviously fine.
[5/28/2019 11:39 AM] canibalcrab
Ah cool. Thanks.
If you need help running cable for cameras I can do that
[5/28/2019 12:29 PM] stansimmons2031
Most of it is pending getting the fiber terminated so we can have fast connection between 102 and 104. But we will need more ethernet run in the next few weeks
[5/28/2019 12:44 PM] agr0090
Trying to list everything on current tool wall / what could be standard list of updated tool wall
[5/28/2019 12:44 PM] agr0090
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l0aj0mGCbLDAOqDsyaGFKmaJrycv4LfCC2QI_lvVDao/edit?usp=sharing
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DMS Tool wall list
Ryobi tools: sawzall jigsaw drill impact driver angle grinder spot light near light circular saw hot glue gun nail gun staple gun sds hammer drill caulk gun tire inflater hand vacuum blower batteries Ryobi consumables: drill bits hole saws step drills sawzall and jigsaw blad...
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[5/28/2019 12:44 PM] agr0090
Is this list missing anything big?
[5/28/2019 12:45 PM] canibalcrab
I'll have to look when I can compare with a list
[5/28/2019 12:46 PM] canibalcrab
Jim was asking if I could get a corded hammer drill so we could mount stuff to the floor
[5/28/2019 12:47 PM] agr0090
I have used the ryobi rotary hammer to mount things into the floor, which is much better than any hammer drill
[5/28/2019 12:48 PM] agr0090
https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-1-2-in-SDS-Plus-Rotary-Hammer-Drill-Tool-Only-P222/206824269 is what we have, should be some sds+ bits in red toolbox
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[5/28/2019 1:03 PM] hon1nbo
@AGr the Ryobi rotary hammer is undersized
[5/28/2019 1:03 PM] hon1nbo
We need to be able to do 3/4" holes due to heavy equipment
[5/28/2019 1:03 PM] hon1nbo
I never suggested a hammer drill, though people often use the terms interchangeably
[5/28/2019 1:04 PM] agr0090
ah, thats a big hole, what is the anchor strength of something that large?
[5/28/2019 1:04 PM] hon1nbo
Massive, i.e. automotive lift and steel bollards for parking lot
[5/28/2019 1:05 PM] hon1nbo
We have 5-6 bollards left to anchor, move the blacksmithing cage when they get to it, and when machine moves over they will need to anchor some stiff
[5/28/2019 1:05 PM] hon1nbo
And that's before getting into auto
[5/28/2019 1:10 PM] nullinterface
probably need 120V AC or air for that sort of work?
[5/28/2019 1:11 PM] agr0090
found picture, looks like we rented one when installing lift previously
[5/28/2019 1:12 PM] nullinterface
the Ryobi One+ tool was sufficient for anchoring racks in the warehouse, but those were ~1/2" if I recall?
[5/28/2019 1:12 PM] agr0090
August 22 2015
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[5/28/2019 1:12 PM] nullinterface
120V. Interesting.
[5/28/2019 1:16 PM] canibalcrab
We could probably get the ryobi for maker projects and the bigger one for space use (read -not available for general public)
[5/28/2019 1:18 PM] agr0090
Brings up question of how Pearce wants to handle <$500 purchases, could just request a purchasing officer buy a better rotary hammer right now for ~$300
[5/28/2019 1:21 PM] agr0090
($53 per day to rent from home depot)
[5/28/2019 1:28 PM] agr0090
crazy that ryobi doesn't make a portable band saw like https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Power-Tools/Metalworking/Band-Saws/2729-20
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[5/28/2019 1:31 PM] agr0090
or a mag drill, I wonder what other more industry oriented vs home gamer tools ryobi doesn't make
[5/28/2019 1:33 PM] hon1nbo
We have that Milwaukee bandsaw in metal, it's awesome.
@pearce yeah if we got the bigger one it should be kept in electrical or similar IMHO
That Ryobi struggled with 3/8 holes as well when I would use it, and it was a 3/8 that it finally gave out
[5/28/2019 1:33 PM] hon1nbo
Was piloting before trying to do the 3/4"
It could have been worn previously or something else but it really doesn't have that much impact
[5/28/2019 1:34 PM] canibalcrab
Purchasing is something I wanted to cover at the meeting. Also figuring out why we are in the negative for funds.
[5/28/2019 1:34 PM] agr0090
(I'm subtlely trying to give pearce reasons to abandon ryobi)
[5/28/2019 1:35 PM] canibalcrab
I get abandoning Ryobi. But we have to contend with people using the tools wrong.
[5/28/2019 1:36 PM] hon1nbo
^^this. You cant beat the cost/wear ratio
[5/28/2019 1:36 PM] canibalcrab
I think the other committees could buy the more substantial tools like metal with the Milwaukee stuff, while logistics covers the basic stuff with ryobi
[5/28/2019 1:36 PM] hon1nbo
Metal locks up the good Milwaukee portaband and some other stuff, made a world of difference
[5/28/2019 1:37 PM] canibalcrab
Then we don't have to try and train people how to use a drill. We can just deal with the abuse
[5/28/2019 1:37 PM] hon1nbo
Just have to talk to the committee to get access. Forces accountability. But we can't do that elsewhere
[5/28/2019 1:37 PM] agr0090
I see 7k for logistics in qbo (incoming bin charge is not in qbo yet)
[5/28/2019 1:38 PM] canibalcrab
I still don't have camera access to test. But 3dfab switched to only carrying bright orange filament so they could see it easier on camera. I think the Ryobi green is another good stand out color we can see on camera footage easier
[5/28/2019 2:24 PM] stansimmons2031
@pearce Come by sometime and Freddy or I can get you setup on the new cameras.
[5/28/2019 2:25 PM] canibalcrab
Thursday for sure, might be there really late tonight
[5/28/2019 2:27 PM] stansimmons2031
having the logistics meeting during tour night is a bit of a PITA....
[5/28/2019 2:38 PM] canibalcrab
Noted
[5/28/2019 4:06 PM] agr0090
one of the previous attempts at stocking tool wall, doesn't seem like the hand tools last very long
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[5/28/2019 4:07 PM] aceat64
perhaps if we have prybars more visible we'll see less... interesting uses of the hand tools
[5/28/2019 4:09 PM] aceat64
we could also just buy a truck load of hand tools from HF
[5/28/2019 4:09 PM] aceat64
1) who would steal HF hand tools
2) flooding the space with a tool worked for pens
[5/28/2019 4:12 PM] agr0090
Could try an expensive experiment and get https://www.grainger.com/product/WESTWARD-Phillips-Slotted-Square-Recess-1CLG1 and https://www.grainger.com/product/product/WESTWARD-Black-Blue-Foam-Insert-6ZGT9 for $140 x 4 = $560 and see how long they last
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[5/28/2019 4:14 PM] agr0090
vs $30 per set of https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-Variety-Screwdriver-Set-25-Piece-H25PCSDS/302348387 or $10 per set of https://www.harborfreight.com/22-pc-screwdriver-set-69420.html
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[5/28/2019 4:15 PM] agr0090
personally I would like to try the order of magnitude more expensive than harbor freight option
[5/28/2019 4:16 PM] agr0090
I'm going to come up with a tool list option for meeting, likely 10-15k to build out 2 tool walls with all new components and a spare of everything
[5/28/2019 4:38 PM] canibalcrab
So they don't have to be matching tool walls.
[5/28/2019 4:38 PM] canibalcrab
The interior tool wall won't need stuff like circular saw etc
[5/28/2019 8:44 PM] judykriehn3727
Could we also consider more trash cans in logical locations? Like why do we not have a trash can next to the copier? but there are a half dozen in the kitchen?
[5/28/2019 8:44 PM] andrew5152
people move them around...
[5/28/2019 8:45 PM] andrew5152
no idea why
[5/28/2019 8:52 PM] canibalcrab
id just move them, they move all the time. can probably get more
[5/28/2019 8:55 PM] agr0090
The ones on wheels in galley were all sourced from Uline (available other places, that's just where I bought them last time)
[5/28/2019 8:57 PM] agr0090
Rubbermaid slim Jim, https://www.uline.com/BL_8792/Slim-Jim-Accessories
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[5/28/2019 11:02 PM] agr0090
Pearce is of course free to run meeting how he likes and isn't bound by this, but figured I would precreate a wiki page for meeting and post some ideas for consideration https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Logistics_Committee_Meeting_20190530
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[5/28/2019 11:02 PM] agr0090
This is also assuming would be able to get a large allocation from board to fund tool wall and other general improvements (to the tune of 10k), otherwise the $3,200 for pallets and tables is basically the entire remaining logistics balance
[5/29/2019 3:22 AM] canibalcrab
Thanks for making an agenda. I was going to do that later today after the landlord walkthrough
[5/29/2019 8:25 AM] nullinterface
I get that there are zero *cool kids* points associated with Ryobi, but I doubt that better quality tools would be a better value for DMS given that they're no more immune to abuse that routinely occurs at intervals well under the tool's best-case MTBF
[5/29/2019 8:34 AM] nullinterface
within committee areas where the users are seemingly a bit more ... considerate ... than the open workshop is another matter
[5/29/2019 8:37 AM] nullinterface
do we want the ~~dumpster fire~~ *drama* of a Talk post or just show up and conspire in person tomorrow evening?
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[5/29/2019 9:54 AM] canibalcrab
Feels like a catch 22 on that
[5/29/2019 11:54 AM] michaelb5250
I'd love to see that talk thread, but I know I wouldn't be able to resist being dragged in.
[5/29/2019 11:56 AM] michaelb5250
I'm all for nice tools. I don't think we know enough about their resilience to say if they're the better investment. I say we try it and find out. At least that way we'd know for sure
[5/29/2019 11:57 AM] agr0090
Still working on price list to see how much buying ryobi tools to create an exact mirror tool wall would cost
[5/29/2019 11:57 AM] agr0090
We can all agree that having more pallet storage would be a benefit right? Therefor we have no choice but to build awesome 4'x8' work tables immediately
[5/29/2019 12:01 PM] agr0090
In other random questions, can we agree that DMS money (and especially limited logistics money) shouldn't be buying food for volunteers?
```04/30/2019 Expense 44454229NR Domino's Pizza COMMITTEES:Logistics Domino's Pizza 2550.02 Credit Card MASTER 07132018 166.35```
[5/29/2019 12:04 PM] stephenie.
when my son was participating in off-siting under Luke Strickland's tenure, they had pizza and everyone went in together on the cost, throwing down a few bucks per person.
[5/29/2019 12:05 PM] stephenie.
It definitely wasn't $166 worth of pizza, just a one or two pies.
[5/29/2019 12:06 PM] stephenie.
He had such a good time participating in off-siting, btw.
[5/29/2019 12:08 PM] agr0090
Was curious how much food that would be, looks like ~12 large pizzas
[5/29/2019 12:08 PM] yashsedai
I would bet that was for a work day no?
[5/29/2019 12:08 PM] agr0090
A work day for 30 people?
[5/29/2019 12:09 PM] yashsedai
I think we should be reminded that feeding volunteers a few slices each is ok
[5/29/2019 12:09 PM] yashsedai
But not the whole fucking space
[5/29/2019 12:09 PM] yashsedai
I am not arguing that it is excessive
[5/29/2019 12:09 PM] yashsedai
But notes and attendees fed mitigate these circumstances
[5/29/2019 12:10 PM] yashsedai
If the process was that you had to turn in a sheet with who was fed and what was ordered and that was accessible, don't you think that would be a happy middle ground?
[5/29/2019 12:10 PM] yashsedai
At least you would have actionable data on which to counsel folks about behavior
[5/29/2019 12:10 PM] yashsedai
As it stand now there was a shit load of pizza ordered and likely nobody knows who consumed or why it was ordered
[5/29/2019 12:11 PM] agr0090
Will put an agenda item for next board meeting to ban buying any food for volunteers with DMS money so they can decide
[5/29/2019 12:12 PM] yashsedai
Go for it, I'll speak out in support against it. Making rules to address the exceptions is a terrible plan. Exceptions get dealt with on a case by case basis so that ornerous rules dont get created
[5/29/2019 12:13 PM] hon1nbo
it's been up already, and was left to committees to decide how to use their funds. You can hope for a different outcome but it's a fairly touchy subject since it's generally the exception and not the norm that a committee is not ok with what happened. I personally used to buy pizza for the metal shop meetings until I got a little tighter on my end, since we didn't want to spend our funds on it. However that's a committee decision on how they maintain their volunteer base and run their meetings
[5/29/2019 12:15 PM] andrew5152
I agree with Jim right up until a committee gets a stipend (or whatever we're calling allotments from the General Fund). Then, that ain't your money, and if you're pissing away committee funds on food, AND taking a stipend, one or the other has to go. I'd have zero beef if funds were earmarked for food, and donations accepted, but we aren't doing that.
[5/29/2019 12:53 PM] canibalcrab
Party pooper here. I'm not planning on using committee funds to buy food. If someone wants to pitch in for pizza, got for it.
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[5/29/2019 12:54 PM] yashsedai
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[5/29/2019 1:03 PM] yashsedai
oh yay
[5/29/2019 1:03 PM] yashsedai
tornado warning
[5/29/2019 1:04 PM] sewingstuff2561
Yup. In the downstairs bathroom with all six pets. 3 dogs and 3 cats.
[5/29/2019 1:06 PM] canibalcrab
Landlord doesn't like the trashy areas around the parking lot
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[5/29/2019 1:07 PM] aceat64
should we even be storing gas like that?
[5/29/2019 1:07 PM] canibalcrab
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[5/29/2019 1:07 PM] aceat64
yeah, that looks like literal trash around the transformer
[5/29/2019 1:08 PM] canibalcrab
Junk stored outside
[5/29/2019 1:08 PM] canibalcrab
Called out trailers being stored
[5/29/2019 1:08 PM] canibalcrab
Eyesores
[5/29/2019 1:10 PM] agr0090
is the fence for knife throwing?
[5/29/2019 1:11 PM] agr0090
should be a bit closer to the flammable containers to make it more exciting
[5/29/2019 1:12 PM] canibalcrab
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[5/29/2019 1:12 PM] michaelb5250
The gas should almost certainly be inside the cage, but no one could find the key.
[5/29/2019 1:12 PM] andrew5152
feels like the onion fields back home...
[5/29/2019 1:13 PM] yashsedai
That gas shouldnt be there in those containers
[5/29/2019 1:13 PM] yashsedai
it definitely does not belong in the cage
[5/29/2019 1:13 PM] canibalcrab
Dunno why they are there
[5/29/2019 1:13 PM] yashsedai
aye, not sure where it came from
[5/29/2019 1:13 PM] canibalcrab
But she was commenting on the trash and junk outside not the gas storage
[5/29/2019 1:14 PM] yashsedai
aye, its terribel
[5/29/2019 1:14 PM] yashsedai
i ran out of time yesterday, meant to pick up all the garbage on the north side
[5/29/2019 1:14 PM] canibalcrab
Understands we have a need for occasionally storing cars for projects. Will be in talks about it
[5/29/2019 1:15 PM] canibalcrab
But not for storage stuff /living in
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[5/29/2019 1:16 PM] canibalcrab
Also acknowledged that the lease says no storage over night on premises. She was just reporting based on what management saw and didn't like seeing.
[5/29/2019 3:55 PM] agr0090
https://www.ryobitools.com/products/details/18v-one-plus-heat-gun I'm skeptical
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[5/29/2019 4:06 PM] yashsedai
just whyyyyyyyy
[5/29/2019 4:08 PM] aceat64
this kills the battery
[5/29/2019 4:09 PM] agr0090
the battery soldering iron and hot glue gun seem more plausible
[5/29/2019 4:10 PM] agr0090
getting rough numbers, this list is $6,334 for all new ryobi tool for 2 tool walls
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[5/29/2019 4:13 PM] yashsedai
that could be pared down greatly
[5/29/2019 4:15 PM] yashsedai
i would remove the following, caulk gun, tire inflator, hand vacuum, blower, soldering iron and heat gun
[5/29/2019 4:15 PM] aceat64
I agree with that list, but I'd keep the vacuum
[5/29/2019 4:15 PM] aceat64
always good to encourage cleaning
[5/29/2019 4:15 PM] yashsedai
i can go either way on the vacuum, but the rest is garbage imo
[5/29/2019 4:15 PM] aceat64
I have the ryobi caulk gun and it kinda sucks imo
[5/29/2019 4:15 PM] yashsedai
solution in search of a problem
[5/29/2019 4:16 PM] yashsedai
soldering iron and heat guns hahahahahaaha
[5/29/2019 4:16 PM] yashsedai
rename those to BATTERY KILLERS
[5/29/2019 4:16 PM] aceat64
eh, the soldering iron probably works fairly decent
[5/29/2019 4:16 PM] yashsedai
get a damn corded one
[5/29/2019 4:17 PM] aceat64
those batteries are like 70Wh
[5/29/2019 4:17 PM] aceat64
so at ~60W (guessing) that's about an hour of runtime, which isn't bad
[5/29/2019 4:18 PM] yashsedai
its not but seriously, a soldering iron for crappy use is 15 or 20 dollars
[5/29/2019 4:19 PM] yashsedai
and i would much rather we buy a few reasonable ADJUSTABLE heat guns vs cordless
[5/29/2019 4:19 PM] agr0090
https://www.amazon.com/Titanium-Drill-Bit-Set-Metal/dp/B00BSEZOVW bulk chinesium drill bits for $65 a case
[5/29/2019 4:20 PM] aceat64
that's not bad, considering we'll snap them before they wear out anyway
[5/29/2019 4:21 PM] yashsedai
lol
[5/29/2019 4:21 PM] yashsedai
MASTERCRAP!
[5/29/2019 4:21 PM] yashsedai
aye, that makes sense
[5/29/2019 4:22 PM] aceat64
what would be most useful for us would be automatic sorting of bits
[5/29/2019 4:23 PM] aceat64
I wonder if we could print out a ramp than when rolled down, the bits (smallest first) fall into the appropriate holes and into stacks
[5/29/2019 4:23 PM] aceat64
ramp/holder
[5/29/2019 4:23 PM] agr0090
could label all drill bits single use only, and just buy a bunch of them, no sorting needed
[5/29/2019 4:24 PM] aceat64
lol
[5/29/2019 4:24 PM] yashsedai
i think we would be good having a used drill bit bin, if in doubt, toss it in
[5/29/2019 4:24 PM] yashsedai
sorting wouldnt be terrible
[5/29/2019 4:59 PM] doug.emes
I have 2 of the ryobi 18v glue guns and 1 of the ryobi soldering irons. I'd be down for buy ing a heat gun later once I have some spare fundage.
[5/29/2019 5:42 PM] judykriehn3727
Before shopping for tool wall in new area, do we have an idea of the types of projects to happen over there? I’d kinda vote to not provide for every sort of project known to man ”just in case”. People generating clouds of dust are not going to be welcomed by science, electronics, resin or printmaking.
On the other hand, I find it annoying to be unable to locate a decent broom, a dustpan that actually collects the dust, or a trash can when I need it. James H, Anette and I certainly managed to generate mass quantities of wood chips while we were working on those giant printmaking blocks, but cleaning up after ourselves was often a challenge.
Once glass is up and running, you’ll have glass shards adding to the floor mess mix, if/when independent mosaic, stained glass, and larger fused glass works start happening.
I’ve held a BROOM more frequently than a stinkin’ power drill when I’ve been at the space, but I suspect the power drills might outnumber the brooms. Just sayin...
[5/29/2019 5:45 PM] agr0090
Pearce mentioned customizing tool wall load out per area, the list I posted above was with the idea that they should be identical tool walls to make administration and replenishment easier, members dont have to guess "oh I have to walk to the other one to get the thing I really need" if they are identical
[5/29/2019 5:48 PM] stansimmons2031
They will be identical for about 30 minutes, until the first dremel grows legs.
[5/29/2019 6:43 PM] canibalcrab
So we don't lose the big drill bits. The small ones get broken. We need a surplus of the small ones
[5/29/2019 6:47 PM] agr0090
There are similar packages on Amazon for just groups of smaller sizes, but the one above has bonus of coming in a case vs needing more hubot drill indexes
[5/29/2019 6:50 PM] canibalcrab
Probably a good starter.
[5/29/2019 6:50 PM] canibalcrab
Then we restock
[5/29/2019 6:51 PM] canibalcrab
You are thinking that the tools being hidden in drawers is causing some of the mess/ loss of tools?
[5/29/2019 6:52 PM] canibalcrab
I do want to make separate tool walls based on the area usage, more that the front room one will have a few less heavy duty tools
[5/29/2019 6:58 PM] agr0090
Hope is having a single obvious place to return tool via foam shadow board or labelled small bin would increase chance of person returning tool
[5/29/2019 6:59 PM] agr0090
Having everything visible on wall also helps with quickly seeing what is available for use
[5/29/2019 7:09 PM] canibalcrab
Right
[5/29/2019 7:18 PM] canibalcrab
Turns out the visual editor doesn't like being edited from mobile. I'll add stuff when I get home
[5/29/2019 10:21 PM] canibalcrab
made some edits
[5/30/2019 12:10 PM] agr0090
from the expansion kickoff post it sounds like auto is a fair ways off, so if we are going to put up pallet racks around auto, that wouldn't impact current electrical work
[5/30/2019 12:13 PM] agr0090
I wonder if it would be useful to ballpark 6-8 months for phase 2, which means moving of woodshop would be a ways out, that impacts how much effort we should put into 104 workshop tool wall / tables today, as 104 workshop tables would be in same spot until woodshop move work starts
[5/30/2019 12:14 PM] agr0090
Could be an extended time of just auto, laser, woodshop being in 104 workshop
[5/30/2019 12:43 PM] canibalcrab
I think the biggest hold up for us is we don't get to put storage up in 102 yet
[5/30/2019 1:15 PM] agr0090
why not?
[5/30/2019 1:20 PM] agr0090
if things will be in way for expansion, then we can move them out of the way on an as needed basis once the work has actually been scheduled
[5/30/2019 1:20 PM] agr0090
otherwise it will be a year before we could put up storage in 102
[5/30/2019 1:21 PM] yashsedai
the biggest impediment is that expansion has not released the space yet for that purpose and won't do so until more of the electrical work is done
[5/30/2019 1:22 PM] agr0090
not released the space yet to store anything there? do we need to move everything out of 102 that is currently stored there?
[5/30/2019 1:22 PM] yashsedai
no, not released the space to put up racks.
[5/30/2019 1:22 PM] yashsedai
i suspect there will be more forthcoming on things having to be moved around
[5/30/2019 1:23 PM] agr0090
Whats the difference between 3 pallets on the floor and a pallet rack if we are going to move it as needed ourselves?
[5/30/2019 1:23 PM] agr0090
As an alternative we could put up the pallet racks in former science + vector floorspace
[5/30/2019 1:25 PM] canibalcrab
102 is so full of trash not because other committees are allowed to use it for storage
[5/30/2019 1:26 PM] canibalcrab
Woodshop moved all of their broken tools. There's a stack of shitty pallets. Dismantled printers. A laser cutter that should have been sold off already
[5/30/2019 1:26 PM] canibalcrab
All of that is going to be in the way of electrical more than stood up pallet racks
[5/30/2019 1:27 PM] agr0090
Keep in mind we are paying over $10,000 per month for the 102 warehouse, saying we can't get any benefit from it for 6+ months seems like an inefficient use of DMS resources
[5/30/2019 1:43 PM] yashsedai
....
[5/30/2019 1:43 PM] yashsedai
thats a bit disingenous
[5/30/2019 1:45 PM] canibalcrab
I would argue that electrical could work around some of the pallet racks. Especially if they get other clutter off the floor
[5/30/2019 1:48 PM] agr0090
Putting some of the stuff scattered on the floor onto shelves could actually make more room for electrical work
[5/30/2019 1:51 PM] yashsedai
I think your alternative of putting racks up in vcc and science areas makes a lot of sense
[5/30/2019 1:51 PM] yashsedai
it would give you a fair bit more storage space
[5/30/2019 1:53 PM] canibalcrab
I'm not opposed to racks in old science. But can see an issue with freebie shelf being too close and people shopping the storage shelves
[5/30/2019 1:54 PM] canibalcrab
It would be nice to set up the racks in/near their final space though. I don't move them for fun
[5/30/2019 1:57 PM] agr0090
how else will we get our exercise / workout routine without regular moving of heavy stuff
[5/30/2019 2:00 PM] canibalcrab
I'm not familiar with the activities you speak of
[5/30/2019 2:02 PM] lavarocks.
That one guy wanted a punching bag, also there are knife throwing festivities happening out back
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[5/30/2019 2:03 PM] canibalcrab
Not anymore
[5/30/2019 2:16 PM] draco_the_drake
We also have a SiG that just started that has an aspect of martial arts in it
[5/30/2019 2:41 PM] lavarocks.
Telm me it's not a poi spinning group
[5/30/2019 2:42 PM] canibalcrab
It's a hallway defense group
[5/30/2019 2:42 PM] hon1nbo
the rule about putting things next door per expansion is it is on a pallet, or on wheels. These can be moved easily. Storage racks cannot. Woodshop storing busted tools there irks me, as do the busted printers
[5/30/2019 2:42 PM] hon1nbo
the big laser apparently someone has taken upon themselves to do a restoration last I heard; would need to follow up with the chair on that one
[5/30/2019 2:42 PM] canibalcrab
Woodshop storing things on the carts over there bothers me.
[5/30/2019 2:42 PM] hon1nbo
same
[5/30/2019 2:43 PM] canibalcrab
I put the drill press on a pallet
[5/30/2019 2:43 PM] canibalcrab
What I heard about the broken laser was that infrastructure (?) Decided to fix it and sell it for cash?
[5/30/2019 2:44 PM] canibalcrab
We need to just sell it as is and let someone else fix it. This is hoarder mentality
[5/30/2019 2:44 PM] hon1nbo
I'm not aware of Infra making that decision. @StanSimmons @yashsedai can you confirm?
[5/30/2019 2:44 PM] hon1nbo
I agree it just needs to go, but last I heard laser was allowing someone to; they need to just sell it for what they can get
[5/30/2019 2:44 PM] canibalcrab
If it's not a committee trying to fix it, then it's personal storage in 102 and we have another non public sale to deal with as well. I don't think that's the case though
[5/30/2019 2:44 PM] yashsedai
I did not make a decision
[5/30/2019 2:45 PM] hon1nbo
last I heard it was a repair project to put it back into service
[5/30/2019 2:45 PM] hon1nbo
but again, that was back like the week after they put the new one into active duty
[5/30/2019 2:45 PM] yashsedai
i do know that tim bene was working on it
[5/30/2019 2:46 PM] canibalcrab
@sixvolts_ know anything about busted thunder and the new owner?
[5/30/2019 2:49 PM] agr0090
Not sure if these prices are any lower, but currently a promotional time for Ryobi at HD
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[5/30/2019 2:49 PM] agr0090
70 for a 6ah battery
[5/30/2019 2:50 PM] sixvolts_
@pearce we are keeping it (provisionally) to fix it up.
[5/30/2019 2:50 PM] agr0090
Could add electric bolt cutters to tool list
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[5/30/2019 2:52 PM] yashsedai
lol
[5/30/2019 3:03 PM] canibalcrab
While I don't agree that the electrical workers will move stuff because it's on a pallet I think we can work with the 104 space
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[5/30/2019 3:05 PM] agr0090
3/8 shank rotary hammer at HD for 250
[5/30/2019 3:07 PM] yashsedai
FYI logistics
[5/30/2019 3:07 PM] yashsedai
infra is buying a quality rotary hammer that everyone can use
[5/30/2019 3:07 PM] yashsedai
don't bother spending your funds
[5/30/2019 3:07 PM] canibalcrab
I posted the one @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium asked me about. I have no experience with them
[5/30/2019 3:08 PM] canibalcrab
K. Will be removed then
[5/30/2019 3:08 PM] yashsedai
Will go get it this weekend
[5/30/2019 3:08 PM] yashsedai
Its a larger bosch
[5/30/2019 3:08 PM] yashsedai
the hilti was too much 😛
[5/30/2019 3:08 PM] canibalcrab
300?
[5/30/2019 3:08 PM] yashsedai
HAHAHAHAHA
[5/30/2019 3:09 PM] yashsedai
if it was going to get used regularly i would buy this https://www.hilti.com/c/CLS_POWER_TOOLS_7124/CLS_ROTARY_HAMMERS_SDSMAX_7124/CLS_CORDED_ROTARY_HAMMERS_SDSMAX_7124/r1021424
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[5/30/2019 3:09 PM] yashsedai
that retails for close to 1500 😛
[5/30/2019 3:10 PM] canibalcrab
Bit much
[5/30/2019 3:10 PM] yashsedai
lol
[5/30/2019 3:10 PM] yashsedai
if you had to use it all day, you would appreciate the active vibration reduction
[5/30/2019 3:10 PM] yashsedai
as we don't we will go with something cheaper and nearly as functional
[5/30/2019 3:11 PM] yashsedai
jim smoked those poor prosumer ones
[5/30/2019 3:12 PM] canibalcrab
Having cut apart a 2 door car down to >2 foot sections with a sawzall. Yes I would bet active vibration reduction is worth paying for
[5/30/2019 3:12 PM] yashsedai
haha
[5/30/2019 3:12 PM] hon1nbo
@pearce you should have felt what that HF rotary was like when trying to make the 3/4" holes. I've had better experiences with jackhammers
[5/30/2019 3:13 PM] yashsedai
haha
[5/30/2019 3:13 PM] yashsedai
poor Jim
[5/30/2019 3:13 PM] canibalcrab
In Russia, shake weight shakes you!
[5/30/2019 3:17 PM] canibalcrab
So re: evacuate cubesmart- use pallet racks in 0020 to make more shelves in old science/vector.
Then use those shelves to move the committee storage and other DMS items from cubesmart to DMS. Potentially use one shelf for locked rack storage to replace the "off site purgatory" storage unit.
[5/30/2019 3:18 PM] yashsedai
aye
[5/30/2019 3:21 PM] canibalcrab
@AGr if you are still at home Depot, can you brainstorm chain link fence options for making pallet rack doors to lock them somehow?
[5/30/2019 3:22 PM] yashsedai
May I suggest using some of the already owned expanded metal pieces we have?
[5/30/2019 3:22 PM] agr0090
Looked at them, no premade options, question is if it would be door mounted to rack or posts mounted to concrete
[5/30/2019 3:22 PM] aceat64
expanded metal is usually sharp?
[5/30/2019 3:22 PM] yashsedai
these are not sharp
[5/30/2019 3:22 PM] yashsedai
its not expanded metal per se
[5/30/2019 3:23 PM] yashsedai
trade name is pallet rack wire decking
[5/30/2019 3:23 PM] yashsedai
a simple tube frame and hinges
[5/30/2019 3:23 PM] agr0090
Some kind of role up netting that locks in down position is also possible
[5/30/2019 3:24 PM] canibalcrab
That's probably better than swing out
[5/30/2019 3:26 PM] canibalcrab
At this point I'm more for a prebuilt solution than making one we need to catch up not add project time
[5/30/2019 3:27 PM] yashsedai
heh, get ready to pay!
[5/30/2019 3:28 PM] yashsedai
let me know if you want design help
[5/30/2019 3:28 PM] yashsedai
and what size openings are acceptable
[5/30/2019 3:29 PM] agr0090
https://www.amazon.com/Containment-Bordering-Basketball-Volleyball-Multipurpose/dp/B013J6ZD0I could be like a curain with steel cable locked on one side
[5/30/2019 3:29 PM] draco_the_drake
@Lavarocks said "Telm me it's not a poi spinning group" and @pearce said "It's a hallway defense group" ..
Yes, we will be learning to guard the Finance office.
lol ... actually Medieval Fighting .... https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/12624
[5/30/2019 3:31 PM] agr0090
note that there is steel cable and crimping tools / supplies in trebuchet box in offsite storage
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[5/30/2019 3:35 PM] agr0090
https://www.amazon.com/Topeakmart-Baseball-Softball-Backstop-Practice/dp/B01LCR67OM some kind of locked net across face of pallet rack would be easiest to setup, of course could cut through it with anything, but I'm assuming thats not a big concern, members could cut through anything we put up
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[5/30/2019 3:38 PM] canibalcrab
Honestly it doesn't even have to be actual security, if someone cuts into it (vandalism) or attempts to bypass it (b&e) we just ban them
[5/30/2019 3:45 PM] stansimmons2031
@pearce Don't believe everything you hear. You will get it half right at best. Some of the guys in Machine Shop want to try repairing it so Laser can keep using it, rather than selling it. The bullshit runs deep in those that don't listen to the whole story... or don't bother to actually talk to other people.
[5/30/2019 3:46 PM] canibalcrab
Thanks? I did ask for clarification. Doesn't change that I think we need to get rid of it instead of keeping it in storage. It's clearly not getting worked on
[5/30/2019 3:47 PM] canibalcrab
Storage in the 102 warehouse no less
[5/30/2019 3:49 PM] stansimmons2031
Expansion allows stuff on pallets, and stuff on wheels, both of which can be moved by one volunteer in a timely manner when needed. Racks can not be moved by one volunteer.
[5/30/2019 3:50 PM] stansimmons2031
Whoever told you Infra was going to fix the laser and sell it obviously didn't hear the whole story and didn't bother to confirm it. Perhaps they work for CNN
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[5/30/2019 3:51 PM] canibalcrab
Right. But volunteer time schedule + bright electrical schedule ( they are doing work for us when they have down time between jobs) means we are going to be a long way out on getting anything done
[5/30/2019 3:54 PM] agr0090
We should move the pallet rack uprights not sitting on a pallet out of 102 asap
[5/30/2019 3:55 PM] stansimmons2031
If people would show up and help rather than bitch, things might go faster.
[5/30/2019 3:56 PM] canibalcrab
:notsure:
[5/30/2019 3:56 PM] stansimmons2031
Joe King and I put all the green rack uprights in 102 on a long pallet last night. They can now be moved by one volunteer with a floor jack and a furniture dolly
[5/30/2019 3:56 PM] canibalcrab
I'll see you at off siting then?
[5/30/2019 3:57 PM] stansimmons2031
I do plenty around here. Now that you are starting to show up occasionally, you might notice that
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[5/30/2019 3:58 PM] agr0090
I'll PM Radcliff and see what his thoughts are on how to maximize benefit from floorspace while not impedding progress
[5/30/2019 3:59 PM] stansimmons2031
You might PM Rich Meyers as well, since he is the one getting the electrical taken care of.
[5/30/2019 4:00 PM] stansimmons2031
Ratcliff is primarily running the ventilation project for the science, glass, jewelry and ceramics areas.
[5/30/2019 4:00 PM] canibalcrab
Fuck off with the "showing up" bullshit
[5/30/2019 4:01 PM] stansimmons2031
Watch the personal attacks there buckwheat.
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[5/30/2019 4:07 PM] canibalcrab
Maybe the showing up comments would come across better if you didn't live at the space
[5/30/2019 4:07 PM] canibalcrab
Don't threaten me with your personal attack bullshit
[5/30/2019 4:08 PM] aceat64
Stan, first off his comment wasn't a personal attack. Second, you started the convo very adversarial "The bullshit runs deep in those that don't listen to the whole story... or don't bother to actually talk to other people." which wasn't needed
[5/30/2019 4:09 PM] aceat64
the comment "If people would show up and help rather than bitch, things might go faster." was completely unneeded as well
[5/30/2019 4:10 PM] aceat64
please consider the tone of your messages and try to keep things constructive and not antagonistic
[5/30/2019 4:49 PM] mell.jpg
@StanSimmons can you stop with the discrediting anyone you don't agree with that isn't at DMS 7 days a week? I can't speak for anyone but myself but it really kills the desire to volunteer when I can.
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[5/30/2019 4:53 PM] aceat64
I know for me that it was especially unwelcome _while I was dealing with my wife's cancer_
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[5/30/2019 6:11 PM] canibalcrab
This map isn't right. I'm trying to plan for moving the common room so CA can start the pulling up floor
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[5/30/2019 6:26 PM] merissa4308
Seems like the expansion chat channel needs more use 😉
[5/30/2019 6:38 PM] stansimmons2031
I don't discredit people that aren't up here daily... The ones I discredit and dismiss are the ones that are bitching and moaning about the way things are done, but either don't come to the space at all, or show up very rarely... yet still have strong opinions about how the volunteers that are here should do things.
[5/30/2019 6:38 PM] agr0090
Sounds dangerously close to advocating for a doocracy
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[5/30/2019 6:39 PM] merissa4308
Why is this discussion needed? Can we remove the negativity and get back to topics for tonight's meeting?
[5/30/2019 6:39 PM] stansimmons2031
There are several people who have paid for DMS memberships for the sole purpose of gaining access to the Hidden Talk forums
[5/30/2019 6:39 PM] merissa4308
Doesn't sound at all applicable to logistics
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[5/30/2019 6:45 PM] lavarocks.
If you pay money for a membership you should have a say.
[5/30/2019 6:48 PM] canibalcrab
Stan had a setup for tables so we just need to move them after the meeting
[5/30/2019 7:01 PM] canibalcrab
meeting will have live audio via discord general. i will try and field questions from the chat as well.
[5/30/2019 7:04 PM] stansimmons2031
@Lavarocks Have a say, yes, bitch loud and long about how the people that are up here, actually doing stuff, are doing their volunteering... no, not so much.
[5/30/2019 7:09 PM] merissa4308
Stan it seems you are the only one doing the bitching right now. Can you stop and go back to something more productive?
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[5/30/2019 7:12 PM] stansimmons2031
You mean like helping new members sign up, get their keyfobs and get signed up for classes? Yeah.... doing that right now.
[5/30/2019 7:15 PM] merissa4308
Awesome, thanks for that
[5/30/2019 7:16 PM] draco_the_drake
I think sometimes we have a problem with Backseat Drivers ... I try to ignore them and carry on
[5/30/2019 7:23 PM] merissa4308
Ooh @pearce audio is really spotty
[5/30/2019 7:24 PM] merissa4308
But so far it's only me in there, so not that important 😁
[5/30/2019 7:25 PM] canibalcrab
my connection was a bit off but it looks like its better
[5/30/2019 7:26 PM] merissa4308
Yes definitely better
[5/30/2019 7:32 PM] merissa4308
Thank you for broadcasting and Erik for taking minutes!
[5/30/2019 7:37 PM] kenpurcell
Coming through good now
[5/30/2019 7:39 PM] hardsuit
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[5/30/2019 7:39 PM] canibalcrab
@Lampy (Ken Purcell) do you know the committee balance for us?
[5/30/2019 7:40 PM] hardsuit
Link for 24" stools with backs:
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[5/30/2019 7:44 PM] kenpurcell
As of the 5/20 official report from Kathy, Logistics had 7,496.83
[5/30/2019 7:45 PM] kenpurcell
Don't know what has been spent in the last 10 days. Also this may be paid as part of expansion.
[5/30/2019 7:46 PM] canibalcrab
the tables might?
[5/30/2019 7:47 PM] kenpurcell
I would think so if outfitting the new areas.
[5/30/2019 7:50 PM] draco_the_drake
I think @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium wanted it
[5/30/2019 7:51 PM] draco_the_drake
the trebuchet
[5/30/2019 8:01 PM] merissa4308
They're saying the plan is to list it on Craigslist and sell asap
[5/30/2019 8:05 PM] kenpurcell
The large bins are about 4x bigger but depending on what is in them, they may to heavy for some.
[5/30/2019 8:06 PM] merissa4308
How is payment/rental timeframes going to the tracked and administered?
[5/30/2019 8:08 PM] kenpurcell
Science kinda does this. Each regular class has a supplies box for that topic.
[5/30/2019 8:12 PM] merissa4308
It seems like personal storage boxes work because it's a one time fee. I don't like the big bin idea till someone states how financials and tracking is going to be administered.
[5/30/2019 8:16 PM] merissa4308
We lost audio again
[5/30/2019 8:16 PM] merissa4308
Think it's back
[5/30/2019 8:19 PM] merissa4308
Could it be a monthly fee that is worked into whmcs?
[5/30/2019 8:20 PM] merissa4308
So when you pay it with your dues?
[5/30/2019 8:20 PM] hon1nbo
@Draco Couldn't get the new home for the trebuchet setup, so it has to go. I was only offering to re-home it and try to get a team together again.
[5/30/2019 8:21 PM] draco_the_drake
I think they are going to put it up on Craigslist
[5/30/2019 8:23 PM] kenpurcell
Could move it out to the farm in Caddo Mills.
[5/30/2019 8:26 PM] merissa4308
Motion and second, time to vote
[5/30/2019 8:38 PM] aceat64
Live document for the Paid Storage Rules (Draft): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kQ6FkFrAWQK47ukjiZFR-HYuilPMIUxwMxGuTR_JOdo/edit?usp=sharing
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[5/30/2019 8:39 PM] agr0090
I requested a quote from both metals4u and metals supermarket for tables, will forward smallest quote to a procurement officer when they come back
[5/30/2019 8:41 PM] aceat64
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/help-write-a-proposal-for-paid-storage/56826
[5/30/2019 8:42 PM] draco_the_drake
I still think storage above the dumpster would be best .. with a dump button
[5/30/2019 8:43 PM] draco_the_drake
Why do we off-site?
[5/30/2019 8:44 PM] draco_the_drake
as opposed to just dumping it
[5/30/2019 8:46 PM] kenpurcell
I think optimum design is a slow moving belt to the dumpster
[5/30/2019 8:47 PM] merissa4308
Should submit a design for review. I'm sure Brandon would help build it 😉
[5/30/2019 8:47 PM] sewingstuff2561
I liked the really old way of gleefully giggling while trashing people’s stuff but I’m told that resulted in some death threats.
[5/30/2019 8:48 PM] draco_the_drake
Why can we not do like other storage places ... just lock it for a month ... we have the storage place AND the place to off-site in 102 .. why not just have lockable storage that we just come by and lock for a month .. then dump
[5/30/2019 8:48 PM] draco_the_drake
we could double our storage
[5/30/2019 8:49 PM] merissa4308
That sounds just like Brandon's project purgatory idea and what Pearce is saying about creating a locked area
[5/30/2019 8:49 PM] draco_the_drake
*nods*
[5/30/2019 8:50 PM] aceat64
live doc for storage extension criteria: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EbCLppRVHhIjssnwz0-yFbGV5RfQ5G0HIrxCSwR81qM/edit?usp=sharing
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[5/30/2019 8:51 PM] aceat64
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/help-write-a-proposal-for-project-storage-extensions/56827
[5/30/2019 8:52 PM] draco_the_drake
That knife throwing is Hatcher's Armory
[5/30/2019 8:52 PM] draco_the_drake
ok
[5/30/2019 8:53 PM] draco_the_drake
Yes
[5/30/2019 8:53 PM] draco_the_drake
I will tell the committee
[5/30/2019 8:55 PM] agr0090
Have option of picking up pallet jack from HarborFreight for $260 or order it for $312 from uline and have it delivered with the pallets, or a smaller capacity (2 ton instead of 2.5 ton) for $200 from northern tool
[5/30/2019 9:03 PM] merissa4308
Isn't the paint cabinet supposed to be committee storage only? It needs signage stating that
[5/30/2019 9:30 PM] merissa4308
Good job @pearce Thank you for your work on everything!
[5/30/2019 10:32 PM] nullinterface
Will look over minutes and notes tommorow to make sure I didn't knacker anything too badly
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[5/30/2019 10:43 PM] canibalcrab
Thanks for taking minutes Erik
[5/30/2019 11:22 PM] merissa4308
Question about storage... It was mentioned that the big bins are needed so members can store their tools onsite. Is this something that could be somewhat remedied by better equipped tool walls?
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[5/30/2019 11:23 PM] agr0090
No, bringing own tools would always be better than shared tools, especially for things like drill bits or cutting tools
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[5/30/2019 11:37 PM] merissa4308
Man you could fit a whole lot of drill bits in those black bins 😆
[5/30/2019 11:46 PM] canibalcrab
Better stock would help, but the bins would be useful for personal tools for sure
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[5/31/2019 1:06 AM] judykriehn3727
Like Dremels, since they apparently make a beeline for the exits upon learning that random DMs members will be using them.
[5/31/2019 1:11 AM] mizgeek
They know 😝
[5/31/2019 1:15 AM] canibalcrab
I forgot I was going to head back to the space after food. I will replace the lock on the lady's room stall tomorrow and move some of the leftovers from the old common room tomorrow
[5/31/2019 2:48 AM] judykriehn3727
Yay! Latchable potty doors! My washers and duct tape fix worked for two months, but...
[5/31/2019 2:48 AM] canibalcrab
Lol
[5/31/2019 2:49 AM] canibalcrab
I'd say someone else could hop on it and get it done now, but I put the part in my pocket while moving tables. My bad
[5/31/2019 8:15 AM] hon1nbo
@AGr do we need a second pallet jack?
[5/31/2019 8:15 AM] hon1nbo
I don't think I've encountered a case where I needed it and it was in use, has anyone else?
[5/31/2019 8:20 AM] nullinterface
there has often been the *want* for a second pallet jack
[5/31/2019 8:20 AM] nullinterface
this is apt to be stronger with the huge increase in warehouse space and pallet-jack friendly tile floors in the flex area
[5/31/2019 9:13 AM] judykriehn3727
Re: potty doors- as previously noted, my washers ‘n duct tape fix lasted TWO MONTHS. Prior to that, it was the “hope nobody dashes in here! Theory for a couple of months. Nobody bothered to “jump on it” in the ensuing time. It wasn’t gonna happen until somebody put the part in their pocket. Just sayin. Thus, you are my hero.
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[5/31/2019 12:00 PM] agr0090
Should the overhangs be symmetrical? As drawn here there is 3" overhang on long sides and 9" overhang on the ends
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[5/31/2019 12:16 PM] agr0090
Realized can decrease end overhang to just 6 inches with same material cost, since can get 3 long pieces out of 20' length at 78 inches
[5/31/2019 12:17 PM] agr0090
Metals4u and metalsupermarket quoted same price +/- 1 dollar for order
[5/31/2019 12:57 PM] nullinterface
not trying to *voluntell*, but if Logistics wants the BoD to cough up 12 large for power tools + tool wall, the committee is going to want to have a detailed proposal ready to go
[5/31/2019 1:00 PM] agr0090
There is a spreadsheet of tool cost that was based on linked to in item, but some discussion in meeting alluded to modifying tool distribution
[5/31/2019 1:20 PM] agr0090
Doing some napkin math, to store 300 of the 23 gallon bins (assuming 16" wide bins), it they were on shelves 5 high (that would be ~10' high), would take 80' of shelving (not accounting for shelf uprights), note that the 102 warehouse is 72'x119'. So imagine a 10' high wall of storage bins along the entire wall behind new fired arts / jewelry
[5/31/2019 1:21 PM] agr0090
The entire 102 flex area is 68'x82'
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[5/31/2019 1:34 PM] agr0090
All orders have been placed for 2019-05-30 1.1 agenda item, Metals4U for metal, Jwwinco.com for feet, boltdepot.com for couplers and screws, Uline for pallets, will probably have a welding day next saturday
[5/31/2019 1:47 PM] stansimmons2031
The wall behind Ceramics, Jewelry, Glass kilns will have lots of hot kilns firing, with ventilation above them... not too great for plastic tubs.
[6/1/2019 11:21 AM] stansimmons2031
kitty
[6/1/2019 11:25 AM] canibalcrab
No cats please, woodshop is already killing me with dust
[6/1/2019 11:25 AM] canibalcrab
I'm beginning to believe the theory that my head would explode if you threw a cat at me
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[6/1/2019 11:29 AM] stansimmons2031
Oops, was bringing up a terminal program and lost window focus. 😃
[6/1/2019 11:31 AM] stansimmons2031
Multitasking fail
[6/1/2019 10:25 PM] judykriehn3727
@pearce - This is an FYI. I confirmed with Shay and Lara that Logistics can dispose of the large format printers. (mostly just a formality since the individuals who were tasked with doing so obviously have NOT.) Next time y'all go to off-site, can y'all confirm this info?<br>Epson 7880 - 24" width
Epson 11880 - 64" width? That's what listed on the CA wiki and
[6/1/2019 10:27 PM] canibalcrab
Nice. Thank you. We will probably clear out some of the units tomorrow
[6/2/2019 2:15 AM] agr0090
What would be best finish for plywood work table top? My default would be oil based poly
[6/2/2019 2:15 AM] agr0090
What kind of paint was used on flex area work tables?
[6/2/2019 2:30 AM] agr0090
Could also glue 1/4" hardboard on top of lower grade plywood subsrtrate for the work tables
[6/2/2019 8:32 AM] michaelb5250
I'm still thinking replaceable hardboard tops. Those tops on the older tables have been destroyed and for some reason people arent willing to replace the whole plywood sheet.
[6/2/2019 8:43 AM] nullinterface
The plywood is the most valuable component on the old 4x4 tables
[6/2/2019 9:08 AM] agr0090
Would hardboard need paint or anything to mitigate water damage?
[6/2/2019 9:33 AM] michaelb5250
I never had issues when I've use it in the past. There's a glossy side that was good enough. And if it gets really bad, you're out a few bucks for that section
[6/2/2019 9:39 AM] agr0090
Sounds good, 1/8 or 1/4 thick hardboard?
[6/2/2019 9:40 AM] agr0090
Will pick up remaining supplies tomorrow to stage for Friday assembly
[6/2/2019 11:06 AM] nullinterface
I'd think that gluing hardboard down would come with its own set of problems replacing it
[6/2/2019 11:07 AM] canibalcrab
Right that's why you'd only screw it
[6/2/2019 11:07 AM] agr0090
Yeah was thinking just using some countersunk screws
[6/2/2019 11:08 AM] nullinterface
excellent
[6/2/2019 11:12 AM] alerho
please no screw heads on top. Can we weld tabs to bottom
[6/2/2019 11:13 AM] alerho
this makes it easier to replace as screw heads dont get gunked up, grinded off , etc
[6/2/2019 11:13 AM] alerho
also screw heads wont mar your workpiece .
[6/2/2019 11:16 AM] nullinterface
how do you propose securing thin material to the strength layer below?
[6/2/2019 11:16 AM] nullinterface
reasonably countersunk screw heads ought avoid damaging work pieces
[6/2/2019 11:21 AM] canibalcrab
With 1/4 inch we could counter sink deep enough to make it work. I could see them getting gunked but just break the hard top and grab some pliers
[6/2/2019 11:22 AM] nullinterface
Or use torx head screws, which are tolerant of staggering abuse
[6/2/2019 11:23 AM] alerho
I dont think the hard board is worth the effort
[6/2/2019 11:23 AM] alerho
Say just keep the plywood but just screw it from the bottom
[6/2/2019 11:24 AM] nullinterface
Woodshop can buy its own worktables for *Fine Woodworking* grade projects
[6/2/2019 11:28 AM] agr0090
Screw from the bottom is the plan for plywood with or without extra hardboard. Thought was to do half hardboard and see what happens, would be easier than applying paint or finish to plywood
[6/2/2019 12:18 PM] nullinterface
Less downtime to implement
[6/2/2019 12:18 PM] michaelb5250
You can countersink #6 screws into the 1/8", but the 1/4" will be more resistant to warping on the spans between screws. I think it's about 2x more expensive but it's still not bad
[6/2/2019 12:24 PM] agr0090
http://centralhardwoods.com/products/sheet_goods/hardboard I'm guessing s2s means smooth surface on both sides?
[6/2/2019 12:24 PM] michaelb5250
The point of the hardboard is to have something a member can replace when someone spills glue or resin on the tops, so they have a nice flat surface to work on. I'm thinking a stack of predrilled tops somewhere that are only expected to last a few weeks each
[6/2/2019 12:25 PM] michaelb5250
Yeah, S2S is usually used for lumber, surfaced 2 sides or something. All sheet goods would technically be S2S...
[6/2/2019 1:15 PM] mell.jpg
We're here. Just helping CA for a bit. Let us know when you're here @pearce
[6/2/2019 1:17 PM] canibalcrab
Be about 20 mins
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[6/2/2019 2:55 PM] agr0090
Looks like 75% or more with expiration notices
[6/2/2019 2:56 PM] roomatologist
I also took photos before they finished tagging, there's more
[6/2/2019 4:38 PM] aceat64
I'm over in 102, ready to move whatever we need
[6/2/2019 4:45 PM] agr0090
Can you count the number of 3/4 Birch sheets there?
[6/2/2019 5:55 PM] nullinterface
The number of EOL Ryobi tools is distressing
[6/2/2019 6:38 PM] canibalcrab
Anyone know what this big metal thing is?
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[6/2/2019 6:39 PM] hon1nbo
No idea
[6/2/2019 6:47 PM] judykriehn3727
Peg leg for really tall pirate.
[6/2/2019 7:13 PM] aceat64
Really heavy scrap metal
[6/2/2019 7:17 PM] canibalcrab
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium metal wat it for scrap?
[6/2/2019 7:18 PM] hon1nbo
I'd have to take a look in person
[6/2/2019 7:18 PM] hon1nbo
Or bring it to me in digital media. Using their chair to take care of my muscle before I leave
[6/2/2019 7:23 PM] aceat64
There's no way we're bringing it to you lol
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[6/2/2019 8:50 PM] canibalcrab
Clean tables
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[6/2/2019 9:22 PM] judykriehn3727
This is the new freebie shelf? Is the pirate peg leg part of the freebie shelf booty?
[6/2/2019 9:23 PM] canibalcrab
That's a negative on the leg taller than I am
[6/2/2019 9:23 PM] canibalcrab
Yes on new shelf
[6/2/2019 9:24 PM] judykriehn3727
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[6/3/2019 3:03 AM] canibalcrab
Not totally happy with the freebie shelf in it's new location. Might approach laser and see if they want to give up the table by the door so we can put the donation shelf back there since the table is almost always filled with automotive junk storage.
[6/3/2019 3:05 AM] talkers
The table is not usually filled with automotive junk. I use it quite often for classes and projects, as do others
[6/3/2019 3:05 AM] canibalcrab
Every time I see it it has auto junk on it
[6/3/2019 3:06 AM] canibalcrab
It had scotty B's saddle bags and motorcycle stuff on it for almost a week
[6/3/2019 3:06 AM] canibalcrab
And has had air lines and random bits on it for the past few days
[6/3/2019 3:06 AM] talkers
Did all the veneer on the freebee shelf get scooped up? That was nice stuff.
[6/3/2019 3:06 AM] canibalcrab
Looked like it. We didn't have to move it over
[6/3/2019 3:07 AM] talkers
K
[6/3/2019 10:37 AM] mell.jpg
I'm about to request to Talk admins to be added to the Team Logistics tag. Anyone else want that? I can just add you to my request.
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[6/3/2019 10:37 AM] aceat64
sure
[6/3/2019 10:38 AM] aceat64
they should just make @pearce the group owner
[6/3/2019 10:38 AM] aceat64
then he can add/remove
[6/3/2019 10:38 AM] aceat64
oh he is
[6/3/2019 10:38 AM] aceat64
no need to bug admin 😃
[6/3/2019 10:41 AM] canibalcrab
Yes it appears I can add members
[6/3/2019 10:41 AM] mell.jpg
Okay. Bugging Pearce now. Add me please.
[6/3/2019 11:51 AM] canibalcrab
@mell added.
[6/3/2019 11:51 AM] canibalcrab
Anyone else?
[6/3/2019 11:52 AM] aceat64
me please
[6/3/2019 11:53 AM] canibalcrab
Done
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[6/3/2019 12:44 PM] nullinterface
not sure if I'm going to be a Logistics regular or just work on the occasional project
[6/3/2019 12:47 PM] andrew5152
The part of Dr. Dorian will be played by Eric, while the TurkCarla will be played by Logistics
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[6/3/2019 4:50 PM] axeonos
I'd say Eric is more like Laverne
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[6/3/2019 5:16 PM] stansimmons2031
A pallet of pallets, and a pallet jack on a pallet were delivered today.
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[6/3/2019 5:17 PM] agr0090
Thanks
[6/3/2019 5:17 PM] canibalcrab
That's so you can lift pallets while you lift pallets
[6/3/2019 6:04 PM] nullinterface
man this Eric guy sounds familiar
[6/3/2019 6:05 PM] canibalcrab
I get that feeling sometimes too
[6/3/2019 6:06 PM] aceat64
But if you don't already have a pallet jack how do they deliver the pallet jack?
[6/3/2019 6:06 PM] aceat64
This is like the scissors that need scissors to open.
[6/3/2019 6:13 PM] canibalcrab
Bigger pallet jack. One pallet on each leg
[6/3/2019 11:25 PM] yashsedai
palletjackception
[6/3/2019 11:42 PM] axeonos
in before it becomes some ones 10X10
[6/3/2019 11:45 PM] canibalcrab
I feel like you missed a unit on the size guide
[6/4/2019 12:25 AM] axeonos
Math was never my strong suit... but phrasing was.
[6/4/2019 8:12 AM] agr0090
Thinking of trying out linseed oil as finish for work tables
[6/4/2019 11:04 AM] nullinterface
the *bundling* of Rigid's tools doesn't seem so attractive to us as Ryobi where almost every tool is available bare
[6/4/2019 11:08 AM] nullinterface
in particular their bundles heavily feature ***highly undesirable*** single-series battery packs. these might work for the casual hobbyist that works leisurely projects during the summer on weekends but at DMS they're not going to hold up to our levels of intense, serial usage.
[6/4/2019 11:09 AM] andrew5152
but if the replacements are free for a lifetime, maybe we don't care how well they hold up?
[6/4/2019 11:12 AM] nullinterface
In my experience warranties are a pain in the a__ even if the company will stand behind them
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[6/4/2019 11:13 AM] nullinterface
in Rigid's case, they seem not to apply to *organizations*
[6/4/2019 11:15 AM] talkers
@AGr b oil will not help protect the tables.
The simplest finish would be a glossy wipe on poly. That projects against water, oil, grime & easy to apply.
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[6/4/2019 11:16 AM] andrew5152
it appears to me rigid clearly does not intend for an organization to be the beneficiary of their generosity... Which isn't to say we couldn't get away with it...for some time...at the possible expense of some sucke....er...benevolent individual's rep with HomeDepot...
[6/4/2019 11:18 AM] nullinterface
as in whoever gets to be **It** doing the RMAs?
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[6/4/2019 11:19 AM] doug.emes
which tools are getting "worn" out and what activities are being involved in wearing them out is probably more important to determine than simply switching brands. If we have people using drills when they should be using impact drivers for automotive work, then yeah, wrong tool (but similar shape)
[6/4/2019 11:20 AM] doug.emes
ive used my ryobi hammerdrill driver for 3 years (2 of which using it nightly at work replacing battery straps, unbolting rack mounted gear etc) - looks / works the same as day 1.
[6/4/2019 11:20 AM] doug.emes
but I dont use it to unstick stuck bolts, thats the impact driver's job
[6/4/2019 11:22 AM] nullinterface
the typical DIY'er seems not to understand *the impact driver*
[6/4/2019 11:23 AM] nullinterface
I didn't until I finally used one and realized that it allows flawless application of fasteners under conditions where a drill would be stripping screwheads and leaving you with a sore wrist
[6/4/2019 11:23 AM] nullinterface
thus, drills see a lot of abuse
[6/4/2019 11:24 AM] nullinterface
some of that from fasteners, but also from radial stress
[6/4/2019 11:29 AM] nullinterface
The 1/2" impacts see a lot of heavy use from automotive, although those may well be original based on the grime and wear
[6/4/2019 11:33 AM] agr0090
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[6/4/2019 11:34 AM] agr0090
Supplies are in for tables
[6/4/2019 11:50 AM] aceat64
might be worth marking all drills as "for drilling only" and the impacts as "not for drilling"
[6/4/2019 11:50 AM] aceat64
plus only stocking impact bits
[6/4/2019 11:51 AM] agr0090
Forgot to put a sign on pieces before leaving, hopefully no one thinks they are on free shelf
[6/4/2019 11:52 AM] aceat64
there's a big sign saying the freebie shelf moved
[6/4/2019 11:52 AM] agr0090
Yeah, a whole 3 feet above
[6/4/2019 11:58 AM] canibalcrab
Yeah that's potentially bad placement
[6/4/2019 12:11 PM] nullinterface
@aceat64 yeah, I'd just stock impact bits consistently, in quantity, and limit the selection of the short non-impact bits to a single 115-in-one set per year per toolbox
[6/4/2019 12:11 PM] judykriehn3727
I’m here. Want me to tape a few of these on the stash?
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[6/4/2019 12:12 PM] stansimmons2031
Perfect, some people might even read it.
[6/4/2019 12:15 PM] agr0090
@judy Kriehn that would be awesome thanks
[6/4/2019 12:19 PM] judykriehn3727
Mission accomplished.
[6/4/2019 12:19 PM] judykriehn3727
Can you repost the time your construction party begins? Johnny asked and I only remembered Friday.
[6/4/2019 12:20 PM] andrew5152
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/logistics-table-welding-party-6-7-9-30pm/56867
[6/4/2019 1:01 PM] nullinterface
I see the *enthusiast* desire for better tool brands is all too present
[6/4/2019 1:04 PM] agr0090
metabo or bust!
[6/4/2019 1:04 PM] aceat64
we should get Wera hand tools (this is a joke)
[6/4/2019 1:06 PM] stansimmons2031
Why did Logistics buy a hair dryer?
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[6/4/2019 1:06 PM] stansimmons2031
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[6/4/2019 1:07 PM] andrew5152
oh my! I thought you were joking!
[6/4/2019 1:09 PM] stansimmons2031
I'm very confused... maybe somebody thought they were buying a heat gun.
[6/4/2019 1:10 PM] canibalcrab
Don't know
[6/4/2019 1:10 PM] canibalcrab
Can you stash it away unopened until we can figure it out?
[6/4/2019 1:11 PM] stansimmons2031
It is in the new common room at the mail station
[6/4/2019 1:13 PM] canibalcrab
Can you put it in the server room so we can return it unopened? Unless we get an actual reason for buying it
[6/4/2019 1:13 PM] stansimmons2031
sure
[6/4/2019 1:14 PM] canibalcrab
Thanks. I'm sure it has a use as a low power heat gun, we just don't have any documentation for it
[6/4/2019 1:15 PM] judykriehn3727
You don't think we should be stylin'?
[6/4/2019 1:16 PM] aceat64
I prefer to air dry
[6/4/2019 1:17 PM] stansimmons2031
Not nuclear fission?
[6/4/2019 1:18 PM] aceat64
too harsh on my hair
[6/4/2019 1:19 PM] mell.jpg
He's gotta protect those beautiful blue locks.
[6/4/2019 1:20 PM] stansimmons2031
Thats not how he got the beautiful blue glow?
[6/4/2019 1:21 PM] stansimmons2031
I was thinking he might be plugging the new bike into his helmet. 😉
[6/4/2019 1:22 PM] aceat64
the blue is actually cherenkov radiation
[6/4/2019 1:32 PM] yashsedai
ya
[6/4/2019 1:33 PM] yashsedai
about that chrenenkov radiation, no thanks, if you are ionizing air i dont want to be anywhere near you
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[6/4/2019 1:46 PM] nullinterface
smart fella
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[6/4/2019 3:11 PM] agr0090
Anyone have a cheap metal cutoff saw they could loan logistics for friday? (I think metalshop no longer has one due to constant blade replacement) Would be easier than making 32 cuts by hand
[6/4/2019 3:12 PM] agr0090
ie something like this
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[6/4/2019 3:19 PM] nullinterface
coldcut saw in machine shop not up to snuff?
[6/4/2019 3:20 PM] agr0090
Ah yeah I guess thats an option, would take longer and it tends to splash coolant everywhere, but would make excessively accurate cuts
[6/4/2019 3:23 PM] andrew5152
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Diablo-7-1-4-in-x-48-TPI-Cermet-Steel-Demon-Ferrous-Metal-Cutting-Saw-Blade-D0748CFR/307789803 ?
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[6/4/2019 3:29 PM] canibalcrab
metal has a handbandsaw thats awesome
[6/4/2019 3:30 PM] canibalcrab
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium
[6/4/2019 3:32 PM] hon1nbo
we have a few options: horizontal bandsaw, a milwaukee portaband, diamond cutoff wheels for grinders, and a hand plasma
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[6/4/2019 3:46 PM] hon1nbo
also @AGr if you do borrow a saw like that, there may be a 14" diamond wheel stashed somewhere that was procured before the saw was not replaced on its last failure
[6/4/2019 3:46 PM] hon1nbo
can look when I'm there next, or ping me and I'll give you a few places to check
[6/4/2019 5:28 PM] stansimmons2031
I've compiled a list of stuff I've been getting from Costco in a Google Sheet. It has sku, online and instore pricing. Orders over $75 have free shipping. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NC6S_ellZ3gdsDOnKSIel6jeTlJhKhnh6pMfwii109o/edit?usp=sharing
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product,SKU,Online,In Store
Dixie 12 oz Paper Bowl, 175-count,1115,10.29
Dixie To Go 8 oz Insulated Cup, 160-count,783829,12.59,11.99
Dixie Ultra 20 oz Paper Bowl, 135-count,296917,11.99,10.79
Dixie Ultra 8 1/2 in Paper Plate, 285-count,1111166,19.29,18.49
Greenmade 2...
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[6/4/2019 5:29 PM] stansimmons2031
@pearce do you want me to continue picking up paper goods at Costco.?We are very low on several items
[6/4/2019 8:53 PM] nullinterface
If anyone wants to help build a list of *workshop* hand tools, tooling, and consumables ...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15sCA3-EgHap908s7s9YKwSRpb29p9uMR-2FIA3WNo3g/edit?usp=sharing
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[6/4/2019 8:55 PM] sewingstuff2561
What if I just want to argue about it?
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[6/4/2019 8:57 PM] agr0090
Are there things we don't currently have on tool wall or the red toolbox that would need to be added?
[6/4/2019 8:58 PM] nullinterface
My idea here is to nail down what goes into the toolbox/wall/whatnot
[6/4/2019 8:59 PM] agr0090
Punches, files, consumables like tape, zip ties, hot glue sticks?
[6/4/2019 8:59 PM] nullinterface
The inventory in the current toolbox is leftovers from an apparent long period of neglect
[6/4/2019 9:00 PM] nullinterface
Whatever goes into the workshop on Logi budget and serves a wide variety of use cases
[6/4/2019 9:00 PM] nullinterface
So of those, files and tape ... sure. Not so certaim about zipties (auto tends to stock those) and glue sticks.
[6/4/2019 9:01 PM] agr0090
List is already better than my haphazard few Amazon links
[6/4/2019 9:01 PM] nullinterface
Punches probably
[6/4/2019 9:01 PM] nullinterface
It's clearly incomplete
[6/4/2019 9:01 PM] nullinterface
But also some deliberate omissions
[6/4/2019 9:01 PM] nullinterface
Like sockets since automotive has those
[6/4/2019 9:02 PM] nullinterface
Also hesitant to stock many screwdriver bits, thus the common impact bits
[6/4/2019 9:02 PM] agr0090
Could also bring up the idea I once tried of free for members screws / bolts as consumables, but those are easier to abuse
[6/4/2019 9:03 PM] nullinterface
If we stocked screws they'd be the absolute cheapest: *drywall screws*
[6/4/2019 9:03 PM] nullinterface
If someone wants stainless grip-rite torx screws they can go to the despot on their own dime
[6/4/2019 9:04 PM] nullinterface
Drill bits ... not gonna enumerate those since we buy those by the kilo
[6/4/2019 9:06 PM] nullinterface
Should maybe stock some quality quality harbor freight flashlights. Think they sell the COB LED lights for cheap enough now - they spit out more lumens than the trrrrrrrbllllll 9-LED versions.
[6/4/2019 9:08 PM] nullinterface
Broom station. Blue paper towels. Big stack of PPE was donated - and maybe not all walked off.
[6/4/2019 9:09 PM] nullinterface
As much as Ferman loves Rigid, they're surely not going to be cost-effective for workshops
[6/4/2019 10:08 PM] hon1nbo
Anyone know where the pop up tent went?
[6/4/2019 10:13 PM] aceat64
it's in committee storage
[6/4/2019 10:13 PM] aceat64
bottom shelf/floor
[6/4/2019 10:13 PM] aceat64
wedged between some stuff iirc
[6/4/2019 10:23 PM] agr0090
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[6/4/2019 11:42 PM] hon1nbo
Yeah had found it
[6/4/2019 11:42 PM] hon1nbo
Now anyone know where the new airhoses had gone?
[6/4/2019 11:42 PM] hon1nbo
Also looks like one of my posts didn't succeed
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[6/4/2019 11:42 PM] hon1nbo
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[6/4/2019 11:43 PM] hon1nbo
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[6/4/2019 11:43 PM] canibalcrab
the ones on the laser table?
[6/4/2019 11:43 PM] hon1nbo
Look what was at the freebie shelf
[6/4/2019 11:43 PM] hon1nbo
Yeah those ones
[6/4/2019 11:43 PM] canibalcrab
we dont know what that is about
[6/4/2019 11:43 PM] canibalcrab
it was there before the shelf got there so it wasnt dropped off
[6/4/2019 11:44 PM] hon1nbo
But anyway ant idea on those hoses?
[6/4/2019 11:44 PM] canibalcrab
last known spot was on the laser tables
[6/4/2019 11:44 PM] canibalcrab
might have moved to 102?
[6/4/2019 11:45 PM] hon1nbo
Found one
[6/4/2019 11:45 PM] hon1nbo
On automotive shelf
[6/4/2019 11:45 PM] hon1nbo
But not with the fittings
[6/4/2019 11:45 PM] hon1nbo
Will check next door
[6/4/2019 11:46 PM] aceat64
I'd really like to know who thought it was cool to leave a bucket of battery acid
[6/4/2019 11:46 PM] aceat64
it was kinda hidden away on the shelf when we found it
[6/4/2019 11:47 PM] andrew5152
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[6/4/2019 11:47 PM] aceat64
I'd also like to know _how_ they got a bucket of battery acid lol
[6/4/2019 11:48 PM] aceat64
I'm guessing from a car battery
[6/4/2019 11:48 PM] canibalcrab
white bucket was inside the yellow one
[6/5/2019 10:40 AM] axeonos
@pearce do you want Stan to get Costco shit? Forks and bowls and shit?
[6/5/2019 11:06 AM] aceat64
does Parks stock anything that requires utensils/bowls/etc?
[6/5/2019 11:10 AM] nullinterface
I'd say paper towels, toilet paper, any loose soap that we still stock
[6/5/2019 11:12 AM] andrew5152
isn't cintas doing paper towels and toilet paper?
[6/5/2019 11:13 AM] stansimmons2031
Paper towels at sinks only. not for general use in the shop, though people have been grabbing the big cintas rolls and taking them out there
[6/5/2019 11:14 AM] stansimmons2031
the TP is of the John Wayne variety...
[6/5/2019 11:14 AM] andrew5152
well, sure.
[6/5/2019 11:14 AM] aceat64
do we have a copy of the contract so we can see what all is being paid for?
[6/5/2019 11:14 AM] stansimmons2031
I've never seen it,
[6/5/2019 11:16 AM] aceat64
the only board minutes I'm finding for cintas are old ones about the first aid
[6/5/2019 11:16 AM] aceat64
was it done at the committee level?
[6/5/2019 11:17 AM] stansimmons2031
Dunno, never saw it. @pearce might want to check with the previous chair/vice-chair
[6/5/2019 11:21 AM] judykriehn3727
Totally off topic, but do the animations (spinning heads, etc) indicate an admin?
[6/5/2019 11:21 AM] aceat64
nah, if you have discord nitro you can have an animated avatar
[6/5/2019 11:21 AM] aceat64
so it just means I paid money to Discord
[6/5/2019 11:22 AM] aceat64
it also lets me use emojis from other discord servers
[6/5/2019 11:23 AM] aceat64
:dogdance: like this one
[6/5/2019 11:25 AM] judykriehn3727
What the heck is that? A twerking pit bull?
[6/5/2019 11:27 AM] aceat64
dunno, I picked a random one from another server lol
[6/5/2019 11:29 AM] judykriehn3727
It's so puny on my laptop screen, that it sorta looks like a dog, sorta like a polar bear, sorta like those dinosaurs-that-look-vaguely-hippo-like...
[6/5/2019 11:30 AM] aceat64
:think:
[6/5/2019 11:30 AM] andrew5152
Yeah. I have "hover" over them, and try to decipher the intent from the popup
[6/5/2019 11:34 AM] judykriehn3727
Andrew's spinning head keeps making me think of the pea-soup-spewing scene in The Exorcist
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[6/5/2019 12:47 PM] hon1nbo
Cintas was done at a committee level IIRC
[6/5/2019 12:47 PM] hon1nbo
I had made a complaint about the "shell shock" crap they replaced the summit hand scrub with
[6/5/2019 12:48 PM] hon1nbo
It's bad enough that multiple bottles of the summit stuff were broken open so people could use them. Cintas removed our dispenser from the wall to install theirs
[6/5/2019 12:49 PM] hon1nbo
I personally have a personal little squeeze bottle of the stuff, but it shows how much people dislike the new stuff. Their sanitary soap / paper towel dispensers are nice, but the tp and scrub are terrible
[6/5/2019 12:54 PM] canibalcrab
@StanSimmons your list doesn't have # to be purchased, can you make it editable?
[6/5/2019 1:12 PM] stansimmons2031
@pearce your gmail and dallasmakerspace accounts can edit it now
[6/5/2019 1:31 PM] aceat64 (pinned)
I've put together a Trello team and board for Logistics, it's publicly viewable. To join either request it via the website/app or let me know your Trello username/email.
https://trello.com/dmslogistics
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Organize anything, together. Trello is a collaboration tool that organizes your projects into boards. In one glance, know what's being worked on, who's working on what, and where something is in a process.
[6/5/2019 1:31 PM] aceat64
Pinned a message.
[6/5/2019 1:37 PM] agr0090
I'm not seeing how to request joining team on teh site
[6/5/2019 1:40 PM] nullinterface
another tool, another set of credentials ...
[6/5/2019 1:40 PM] agr0090
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[6/5/2019 1:41 PM] canibalcrab
I'm really bad about checking trellos but I've seen people do good work with them
[6/5/2019 1:41 PM] canibalcrab
The space has a few other trellos as well.
[6/5/2019 1:42 PM] canibalcrab
Does Trello have a way to make "projects" that are basically separate boards for each one but all in the same place? Kinda like discord here with the text channel for each committee
[6/5/2019 1:43 PM] canibalcrab
If so DMS could probably benefit from a consolidated trello
[6/5/2019 1:47 PM] aceat64
looks like I have to add you, I thought there was a request access button
[6/5/2019 1:47 PM] aceat64
@pearce it does, I've created a team, we can have multiple boards
[6/5/2019 1:47 PM] aceat64
right now we just have the "General Tasks" board
[6/5/2019 1:47 PM] aceat64
but we can totally make boards for big projects
[6/5/2019 1:48 PM] canibalcrab
We might see if we can talk one of the more invested boards like PR into mutating into a DMS board so they don't lose work
[6/5/2019 1:48 PM] agr0090
found a blog post that mentions self joining a board once you are already a member of that team
[6/5/2019 1:49 PM] canibalcrab
Oh I was referring to committees as projects
[6/5/2019 1:50 PM] aceat64
Trello have a concept of organizations, but that's a paid feature
[6/5/2019 1:50 PM] aceat64
Orgs > Teams > Boards > Cards
[6/5/2019 1:50 PM] agr0090
https://help.trello.com/article/1024-invite-people-by-using-a-shareable-link
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[6/5/2019 1:52 PM] aceat64
https://trello.com/invite/b/YbWzPngQ/b95660e58bdc867a10cba639d04fb9a0/general-tasks
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[6/5/2019 2:03 PM] mell.jpg
I used Trello when I was PR chair and IMO it was the perfect tool for what I needed. I didn't have a huge PR team but that was primarily how we communicated that designs were ready to go out or that orders were placed, etc. Had links to all working documents. And I posted the read only version to TALK.
[6/5/2019 2:05 PM] mizgeek
I use Trello to organize sewing patterns and ToDo lists. It’s very flexible.
[6/5/2019 2:06 PM] mizgeek
My best friend and I can easily share our lists plus keep track of videos we each have.
[6/5/2019 2:20 PM] aceat64
@AGr I added you to the table card
[6/5/2019 2:37 PM] yashsedai
*waves hand*
[6/5/2019 2:37 PM] aceat64 (pinned)
Ok, anyone who joins via the invite link I can add to team easily: https://trello.com/invite/b/YbWzPngQ/b95660e58bdc867a10cba639d04fb9a0/general-tasks
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[6/5/2019 2:37 PM] aceat64
Pinned a message.
[6/5/2019 2:37 PM] yashsedai
lol got it
[6/5/2019 2:37 PM] aceat64
just added you
[6/5/2019 2:38 PM] yashsedai
ty
[6/5/2019 2:42 PM] stansimmons2031
@pearce I just saw your response on Talk in the PM thread. If you don't want me doing the Costco runs, that's fine, but don't lie about it.
[6/5/2019 2:43 PM] canibalcrab
I told you twice when you asked me in person that you could buy papergoods if we were running out and that we would figure out how to to proceed with ordering on a subscription later.
[6/5/2019 2:44 PM] stansimmons2031
No you did not
[6/5/2019 2:44 PM] stansimmons2031
You may have meant to, but you did not
[6/5/2019 2:44 PM] canibalcrab
Once in 3d fab when you approached me while fixing printers and another time in the kitchen.
[6/5/2019 2:45 PM] canibalcrab
You mentioned people were stealing the cintas paper towels to take to the workshop
[6/5/2019 2:45 PM] stansimmons2031
In the 3d lab, you told me to wait for the meeting.
[6/5/2019 2:46 PM] canibalcrab
Here's the listening problem, I told you to buy what was low to hold us over. And then we would figure out the rest at the meeting
[6/5/2019 2:46 PM] stansimmons2031
When I told you about the paper towels you told me to pick some up while I was out. I picked up some at Home Depot when we got CA's flooring
[6/5/2019 2:46 PM] canibalcrab
But if this is how you are going to handle procurement, no I do not want you ordering for logistics
[6/5/2019 2:47 PM] yashsedai
*sigh*
[6/5/2019 2:47 PM] stansimmons2031
Don't get your back up over poor communications.
[6/5/2019 2:48 PM] stansimmons2031
I'm offering to help you out, doing stuff I've been doing for 2+ years and you are being a dick about it
[6/5/2019 2:48 PM] yashsedai
Can we chock it up to failed communication and misunderstanding?
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[6/5/2019 2:49 PM] yashsedai
Fact, we need paper goods
[6/5/2019 2:49 PM] yashsedai
Fact, members get unhappy when we don't have them
[6/5/2019 2:52 PM] canibalcrab
I'm going to take care of it this afternoon
[6/5/2019 2:52 PM] stansimmons2031
I added DMS to my Costco account 5-6 years ago. If you don't want me to keep using it, fine... less shit for me to deal with.
[6/5/2019 2:55 PM] canibalcrab
Sounds like a plan
[6/5/2019 3:06 PM] stansimmons2031
FYI: don't order forks from ULine. they are short, weak and overpriced
[6/5/2019 3:25 PM] agr0090
https://www.cutting-mats.net/cutting-mats-4x8.html
[6/5/2019 3:25 PM] yashsedai
Good grief those are expensive
[6/5/2019 3:25 PM] agr0090
Will be interesting to compare how the $14 hardboard holds up, would be $200 for a 4x8 cutting mat
[6/5/2019 3:26 PM] agr0090
There is a mat on one of the 5x10 tables that's been there for a few years
[6/5/2019 3:28 PM] canibalcrab
Yeah that's why it was really upsetting when they got destroyed in the first week after donation
[6/5/2019 3:30 PM] nullinterface
DMS workshop is a *hostile environment*
[6/5/2019 3:30 PM] yashsedai
haha
[6/5/2019 3:33 PM] nullinterface
they've had some hardboard floor protectors in the lobby of my building for about a month for ongoing renovations and they've held up well ... *shiny side **down***
[6/5/2019 3:44 PM] stansimmons2031
FYI: Cintas Defib machine is beeping.
[6/5/2019 4:03 PM] lavarocks.
Stop poking it
[6/5/2019 4:04 PM] aceat64
probably just low battery, iirc we have to charge it from time to time
[6/5/2019 4:07 PM] nullinterface
I'd expect a primary cell
[6/5/2019 4:18 PM] stansimmons2031
Cintas replaces the battery occasionally and had done so withing the last few months
[6/5/2019 4:38 PM] canibalcrab
Purchased some stuff from Costco. Will be at the space later tonight
[6/5/2019 4:39 PM] canibalcrab
Should hold us over until an order can be made
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[6/5/2019 10:28 PM] michaelb5250
Anyone plan on fixing a busted roboreel? The one that used to hang near automotive. Not sure why we didn't just toss it..
[6/5/2019 10:31 PM] canibalcrab
i diddnt think we coould fix them
[6/5/2019 10:33 PM] judykriehn3727
Can we fix the bathroom stall door in the original women's restroom? Pleeezzzeee?
[6/5/2019 10:33 PM] canibalcrab
tonight, sorry absent minded
[6/5/2019 10:38 PM] michaelb5250
@canibalcrab I agree. Trash it is
[6/5/2019 11:29 PM] agr0090
Brings up electrical drop install in new areas, are we planning on having reels or only plugs at 7 or 8 feet you plug into?
[6/5/2019 11:30 PM] agr0090
Would be nice to use same approach in all places and replace roboreels with whatever common approach
[6/5/2019 11:32 PM] agr0090
Of course that's just electrical not air, ceiling mount air robo reels seem good, since you aren't pulling as hard on ceiling tile grid (no matter how well it's secured to roof structure)
[6/5/2019 11:34 PM] michaelb5250
Rich has a standard drop he's planning on using throughout the space, it's a twist lock plug on the cieling to a quad outlet box, the idea is to build a bunch in different lengths and have plugs around the flex area
[6/5/2019 11:34 PM] michaelb5250
Not sure what's happening in the warehouse
[6/5/2019 11:35 PM] agr0090
So the quad box is on a table or floor or floating in air?
[6/5/2019 11:38 PM] michaelb5250
Good point, I'm not sure. He might be using it for fixed equipment where it can go on the floor. I assume we could make some to sit on tables.
[6/5/2019 11:39 PM] agr0090
Plausible, my drive by criticism would be these boxes would be hanging down in the way always and you'd need a ladder to disconnect them
[6/5/2019 11:40 PM] michaelb5250
Yeah, I assume that's been considered so I might be missing something from his explanation
[6/5/2019 11:40 PM] canibalcrab
box is mounted to roof, cords of various lengths are so you can do floor/table boxes
[6/5/2019 11:42 PM] agr0090
Do we still have a couple new roboreels sitting in boxes for the past 2 years or did they get used?
[6/6/2019 12:00 AM] judykriehn3727
My understanding was that roof anchors would be installed to extend from the building roof to the drop ceiling at locations where the suspension grid intersect. The twist-lock plug boxes would be installed at the ceiling, and the variously sized drops would allow for connections where needed, without gigantic pools of cable to be trip-hazards on the floor. (I'm attempting to describe the drop by the big table in CA.)
[6/6/2019 2:09 AM] canibalcrab
Well that was uneventful. Just had to go to machine shop and get a bolt from the shelves. Didn't even need the drill
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[6/6/2019 2:57 AM] hon1nbo
@pearce I've repaired the robowheels before. The biggest issue that I couldn't fix was damaging the remotes. However, they are actually wireless and don'
[6/6/2019 2:57 AM] hon1nbo
t need to be on the cable. Could inlay them into the table sides
[6/6/2019 2:57 AM] canibalcrab
cool
[6/6/2019 2:57 AM] canibalcrab
sounds like it might have been tossed
[6/6/2019 7:17 AM] nullinterface
@michaelb RMA it since RoboReel has such an ***awesome*** warranty?
[6/6/2019 7:21 AM] andrew5152
http://roboreel.com/policy/warranty/ 4 years, 4k winds, whichever comes first...
[6/6/2019 7:45 AM] nullinterface
it's not that I don't believe in warranties, it's just that outside of extraordinarily expensive goods like cars - where there's often *service revenue* associated with working on it - they've been nothing but a bitter disappointment for me
[6/6/2019 7:47 AM] nullinterface
which, incidentally, as much as I loathe car dealers this *is* a grudging argument for their existence as an independent entity - they've got more leverage extracting concessions from the OEM on your behalf than you do
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[6/6/2019 7:49 AM] andrew5152
Yep. I've largely come to regard warranties as _bog fodder_
[6/6/2019 7:54 AM] nullinterface
Although I do hear that despite their lack of terms in the published literature, Ruger stands behind their product like no other manufacturer
[6/6/2019 9:19 AM] stansimmons2031
Ruger has OUTSTANDING customer support. Amazingly, KelTec does as well. Smith & Wesson I've had issues with.
[6/6/2019 10:09 AM] michaelb5250
Yeah, it's in the trash. Its been down for a month, so I figured no one was going to try and fix it. I'll keep the RMA in mind next time.
[6/6/2019 10:12 AM] nullinterface
for all the hoopla about RoboReels, my sense is that the basic spring reels have lower TCO even if they need to be replaced or serviced more frequently
[6/6/2019 10:20 AM] nullinterface
one wonders if the twistlock ceiling drops and hardwired pigtails will fare any better. at least we can service the pigtails on the other side of the outlet on our own.
[6/6/2019 10:21 AM] agr0090
Didn't we start out having these? How long did they last?
https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200660257_200660257
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[6/6/2019 10:22 AM] agr0090
October 2014
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[6/6/2019 10:23 AM] agr0090
maybe we took them down after work tables weren't clustered around columns like original design plan, dont recall
[6/6/2019 10:23 AM] nullinterface
I recall the basic spring reels lasting a long time
[6/6/2019 10:23 AM] nullinterface
not sure if it was those or one of the cheaper 'zon brands
[6/6/2019 10:23 AM] agr0090
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[6/6/2019 10:24 AM] agr0090
I wonder how well mounting one of those to celing the same way I mounted the robo reels would work
[6/6/2019 10:26 AM] agr0090
Is the next logistics meeting scheduled? I can put an item to purchase air and power reels above 104 workshop general tables
[6/6/2019 10:29 AM] agr0090
Now that we have the lift on site, could mount pole directly to girder down through ceiling tiles, then have wires off that pole to steady lateral movement
[6/6/2019 10:31 AM] mell.jpg
We could set a quick meeting before offsiting on Sunday? I know Sundays are already packed for @pearce though.
[6/6/2019 10:32 AM] stansimmons2031
Rich Myers bought a pole that is designed to attach wires to the girders from the floor, you don't even have to get the lift out. It is in the 102 server room, with the clips for the girders. Let me or Rich know if you want to use it, that way you won't have to move a bunch of stuff out of the way to get the lift in place.
[6/6/2019 11:08 AM] canibalcrab
@AGr the reason we wanted to try the roboreels was because the red wall mounted ones whipped around all the time. It was pretty dangerous
[6/6/2019 11:09 AM] canibalcrab
We should get a meeting scheduled before the next board meeting. So before the 22nd?
[6/6/2019 11:16 AM] agr0090
yeah, but everyone complains about buying roboreels (~300), we could spend even more on reelcraft reels (400)
[6/6/2019 11:17 AM] canibalcrab
I know. You just asked why we switched
[6/6/2019 11:18 AM] agr0090
I dont remember if the cheap power reels we had originally actually failed or not before we got rid of them
[6/6/2019 11:18 AM] canibalcrab
One might have broken
[6/6/2019 11:18 AM] canibalcrab
I only remember people just letting them fly
[6/6/2019 11:52 AM] andrew5152
https://www.hydropneumatic.net/pneumatic-hose-reel-with-slow-retraction.html
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[6/6/2019 11:53 AM] andrew5152
made in sweden, so you know those'll be cheap... Wonder how they do it, though...
[6/6/2019 11:56 AM] andrew5152
https://hosereelsdirect.co/hosereels/ez-t-series another, probably not made in sweden...
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[6/6/2019 11:58 AM] michaelb5250
I mean they look good, easily replaceable hoses, slow retraction.
[6/6/2019 11:59 AM] judykriehn3727
Unrelated to the momentary obsession with retracting air hoses, I went to the UNT Surplus Sale on Tuesday and scored four of these swivel-top stools for the budget-busting price of $10/each. They’re aren’t new, in fact NTSU is scribbled in marks-a-lot on the bottom of the seats, which means they are at least 31 years old. But sturdy as all get-out. Pearce indicated I should ask y’all if you think they are appropriate for the space. I took one into the flex area last night and used it while I finish scanning bins. Perfect height for me. I estimate they are the same height as the stool that Paul brought into the meeting last week. Or maybe it was the week before... If logistics wants these, I have a receipt for the purchase. If not, I retrieve the one I left in 102 and use them elsewhere in my life. No harm, no foul.
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[6/6/2019 12:03 PM] judykriehn3727
And as far as the air hose situation goes, is life as we know it today going to come to a screeching halt if we don’t remedy a problem RIGHTTHISMINUTE? From what I’ve seen, they’ve been crappy/dysfunctional for some time. Maybe we should focus on fixing the stuff we’re already committed to before we add MORE stuff to Pearce’s plate?
[6/6/2019 12:06 PM] nullinterface
those look fabulous for workshop usage
[6/6/2019 12:08 PM] andrew5152
I love those stools, and remember them fondly (maybe even those particular ones, as a former attendee of NTSU, er, UNT)... I so regret watching the current regime throw out perfectly good stuff just 'cause it's old. Dumpsters and pallets of shit that just. still. works. getting tossed in favor of junque... sigh.... sorry. Particularly downer day. Rainbows and unicorns and myspace! OHMY!
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[6/6/2019 12:25 PM] judykriehn3727
Salivating much, Andrew?
[6/6/2019 12:27 PM] andrew5152
indeed. in fact, I recall using those worktables. In p-lab and c-lab, if I recall properly. great equipment!
[6/6/2019 12:32 PM] judykriehn3727
Solid oak legs. $35. If only I had a larger house. Or was outfitting my own biology lab.
[6/6/2019 12:36 PM] andrew5152
yep. if only.
[6/6/2019 12:37 PM] andrew5152
i'll confess being mildly confused that furnture refurbing isn't bigger business, because I can guaratnee they're putting in mdf crapola that will be busted and useless in less than a decade...
[6/6/2019 12:38 PM] andrew5152
once that stuff is landfilled, it's g.o.n.e, friends. Show me your gree initiatives again?
[6/6/2019 12:40 PM] andrew5152
hm. wondering if i could found my own nonprofit to buy up, warehouse, and refurb this kind of thing, for the future, about 15 years from now once people realize how stupid they've been. Could be a nice retirement "thing to do" to refurb a warehouse full of 1960's/70's "furniture"... 🤔
[6/6/2019 12:49 PM] hon1nbo
I recall there are more roboreels in storage; wouldn't hurt to at least install the ones we have
[6/6/2019 12:50 PM] andrew5152
or auction them off if we don't want to use them.
[6/6/2019 1:05 PM] andrew5152
demo of slow retract https://youtu.be/TUD9pY7iNNg?t=111
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[6/6/2019 1:07 PM] andrew5152
prices on the coxreels https://www.new-line.com/crimpers-reels/hose-reels/heavy-duty-spring-rewind-hose-reels-for-air-water-fluids/coxreels-ez-coil-slow-retracting-spring-rewind-hose-reel
[6/6/2019 1:24 PM] aceat64
and it's probably a fairly simple centrifugal governor in there I bet
[6/6/2019 1:24 PM] aceat64
which is hopefully more robust
[6/6/2019 1:25 PM] andrew5152
dunno. more curious how they do it than interested in having them, but... (sorry for spamming the channel; i'll shove off now)
[6/7/2019 8:21 AM] nullinterface
Not *entirely* Logistics but related:
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/standard-dms-drill-bit-library/57257/14
[6/7/2019 8:22 AM] nullinterface
TL;DR : for the workshop it looks like we really only need about a dozen drill bit sizes to realize most of the need for drilling pilot holes and through-holes in wood for common lag screws and bolts
[6/7/2019 12:21 PM] agr0090
Coming up with specific drill bit sizes to stock seems like overkill to me, why not just go with whatever comes in the standard cheap bulk set?
[6/7/2019 12:23 PM] agr0090
The 32PCS 3/64",30PCS 1/16",30PCS 5/64",30PCS 3/32",20PCS 1/8",20PCS 9/64",12PCS 5/32",12PCS 11/64",12PCS 3/16",8PCS 7/32",4PCS 15/64",6PCS 1/4",4PCS 9/32",2PCS 5/16",3PCS 21/64",2PCS 23/64",1PCS 3/8",1PCS 1/2" with no number letter or metric options stocked
[6/7/2019 12:30 PM] canibalcrab
That's what I was thinking
[6/7/2019 12:30 PM] canibalcrab
But I won't turn away someone wanting to make a buy list
[6/7/2019 12:40 PM] hon1nbo
on an unrelated logistics note, can we get a drop-box for LOTO keys? Right now we train people to stick them under the server room door if they need to leave the space. Something small, with a little keybox like the one metal / laser use
[6/7/2019 12:40 PM] hon1nbo
all committee chairs could have access
[6/7/2019 12:40 PM] hon1nbo
I've had people tag stuff out, but then not be able to wait around the space for someone to fix it
[6/7/2019 12:51 PM] stansimmons2031
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium maybe something like this:
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[6/7/2019 12:52 PM] hon1nbo
yeah for the drop key, or what we already use; it's the users dropping in keys I'm more concerned about
[6/7/2019 12:52 PM] hon1nbo
we don't have a spot
[6/7/2019 1:49 PM] doug.emes
or, better yet, make an rfid for a big keyring on a welded circle, and have it where admins can temp add someone to the permission list
[6/7/2019 1:49 PM] doug.emes
the lock out tag out locks should be available for all to grab sans badge
[6/7/2019 1:50 PM] doug.emes
the unlocker is the one to track
[6/7/2019 1:50 PM] doug.emes
though id suggest some kind of auto print like / akin to the storage thing, so we could get a date/time/user stamp
[6/7/2019 1:52 PM] hon1nbo
@doug.emes the current instruction is to use the storage kiosk to print a ticket with contact info for taping to the lock and key. The problem is them having a spot to leave the key if they need to leave the sapce
[6/7/2019 1:52 PM] hon1nbo
anyone can walk up and grab a LOTO set currently
[6/7/2019 1:53 PM] doug.emes
cool
[6/7/2019 1:53 PM] hon1nbo
each lock is individually keyed
[6/7/2019 1:53 PM] doug.emes
ahhh
[6/7/2019 1:53 PM] hon1nbo
no one should have keys for locks other than the one they install
[6/7/2019 1:53 PM] doug.emes
arguably none of the keys should be available
[6/7/2019 1:53 PM] doug.emes
ever
[6/7/2019 1:53 PM] hon1nbo
unless they can't stay for fixing it, in which case it gets up to the committee chair or member responsible to fix the machine
[6/7/2019 1:53 PM] hon1nbo
no
[6/7/2019 1:53 PM] hon1nbo
absolutely not
[6/7/2019 1:53 PM] hon1nbo
they need to be available
[6/7/2019 1:53 PM] hon1nbo
that's the point of LOTO
[6/7/2019 1:53 PM] doug.emes
no
[6/7/2019 1:53 PM] hon1nbo
they are available to the person who needs to lock it
[6/7/2019 1:54 PM] doug.emes
the point of lock out tag out is safety
[6/7/2019 1:54 PM] hon1nbo
proper loto locks are key retaining
[6/7/2019 1:54 PM] hon1nbo
you can'
[6/7/2019 1:54 PM] hon1nbo
t provide the lock without the key
[6/7/2019 1:54 PM] hon1nbo
one man, one key, one lock
[6/7/2019 1:54 PM] hon1nbo
that's the rule
[6/7/2019 1:54 PM] doug.emes
the key on lockout then since were a multiple user place shoudl go into a timed or badged lockbox
[6/7/2019 1:54 PM] hon1nbo
the person locking it out is also usually the one that unlocks it
[6/7/2019 1:55 PM] hon1nbo
the only reason we have to consider a key drop is for conditions that do not clear
[6/7/2019 1:55 PM] hon1nbo
in metal shop for example we have users that lock the oven so they can setup larger projects or batch jobs, and clean the oven
[6/7/2019 1:55 PM] hon1nbo
they are required to use a loto on the disconnect when working inside the oven
[6/7/2019 1:56 PM] hon1nbo
and they remove it when they are done
[6/7/2019 1:56 PM] doug.emes
the point im trying to illustrate is that once the key is disengaged from the lock, it should then be in a tracked timed videod or photod location
[6/7/2019 1:56 PM] doug.emes
if its in a pocket, it means we will end up losing them
[6/7/2019 1:56 PM] doug.emes
they go offsite
[6/7/2019 1:56 PM] doug.emes
etc
[6/7/2019 1:57 PM] hon1nbo
and loto keys are not supposed to be handed off except in exceptional circumstances
[6/7/2019 1:57 PM] hon1nbo
like they have to leave
[6/7/2019 1:57 PM] hon1nbo
or have to escalate it
[6/7/2019 1:57 PM] hon1nbo
otherwise no one else is supposed to get access to that key
[6/7/2019 1:58 PM] hon1nbo
otherwise someone *will* try to run the equipment
[6/7/2019 1:58 PM] hon1nbo
I say this as someone who watched a member rip off the warnings and plug cover on a shorted sander and catch the belt on fire
[6/7/2019 1:58 PM] hon1nbo
(this was before we had proper loto covers)
[6/7/2019 1:58 PM] nullinterface
glorious
[6/7/2019 1:58 PM] hon1nbo
I still see people trying to bypass the hardware lockouts on occassion
[6/7/2019 1:59 PM] hon1nbo
we can't trust they won't just use the key if they can find it
[6/7/2019 2:00 PM] hon1nbo
we looked at individually locking RFID capable keyboxes and they are incredibly expensive. The locks themselves are cheap
[6/7/2019 2:00 PM] hon1nbo
I've had a total of one key walk off in metal
[6/7/2019 2:00 PM] hon1nbo
it was 4 hours labor inspecting the machine, and
[6/7/2019 2:01 PM] hon1nbo
after clearing it some bolt cutters and 8 dollars
[6/7/2019 2:01 PM] doug.emes
and my point is a culture thing. you tag, you lock, you put the key on the holder, and the facility system allows that user to input a minimum time for the lock
[6/7/2019 2:02 PM] hon1nbo
and that's not viable; often we don't know how long a lockout will last
[6/7/2019 2:02 PM] hon1nbo
and at the same time, we still need to prevent people from getting the key once it expires if it runs long for example
[6/7/2019 2:03 PM] hon1nbo
it's an overly complex system; KISS
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[6/7/2019 2:03 PM] doug.emes
so the default can be 1day, the point is to make the key go somewhere specific, you guys are saying in another punch code lockbox, and im saying use our identift system we all aready HAVE TO HAVE
[6/7/2019 2:03 PM] hon1nbo
a key drop box that only chairs/bod or similar is all it needs
[6/7/2019 2:04 PM] hon1nbo
$20 box, versus upkeep of another inhouse rfid system that to this day we still haven't gotten deployed properly
[6/7/2019 2:04 PM] hon1nbo
that's what I'm getting at
[6/7/2019 2:08 PM] doug.emes
im extremely anti using physical code lockboxes, but ive stated my opinion. i really do appreciate your effort in trying to increase physical safety of members
[6/7/2019 2:08 PM] canibalcrab
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I don't see why we can't get a box, find a solution and we can take it to a meeting
[6/7/2019 2:09 PM] canibalcrab
For whatever y'all decide. It sounds like there's some debate
[6/7/2019 2:12 PM] hon1nbo
@doug.emes I understand the concern, but in the end it don't need but a handful of people that can open the box, as it's only for the exceptional case that the person locking it out is not the person that puts the equipment back in service. In all honesty it could be a key and we add it to the admin keybox in the server room, or we just cut drop slots in existing committees' locked areas
[6/7/2019 2:13 PM] hon1nbo
there are options, but IMHO there are usually only a handful of people that would be qualified to override lock outs in each area. Given that it is a very rare case I'd rather we not over complicate it
[6/7/2019 2:14 PM] hon1nbo
like in metal there are maybe 4 people, including myself, that would be able to do it for any machine in metal (Tim, Freddy, Charles, and myself) and a couple more with a restricted set of tools.
[6/7/2019 2:14 PM] hon1nbo
I'm not trying to persuade you at this point, just providing background since I feel this should be discussed in the future
[6/7/2019 2:14 PM] doug.emes
i gotcha
[6/7/2019 2:15 PM] doug.emes
and im saying a large part of a new culture of safety is to enable ANYONE to lock out a machine
[6/7/2019 2:15 PM] hon1nbo
and anyone *can* lockout a machine
[6/7/2019 2:15 PM] hon1nbo
the concern is the exceptional case that the person who did *not* lock it is the one that *unlocks* it
[6/7/2019 2:15 PM] doug.emes
if you polled the DMS (non metal shop) what kind of response would you get on it currently?
[6/7/2019 2:15 PM] hon1nbo
no idea
[6/7/2019 2:16 PM] hon1nbo
we provide LOTO training in metal as part of some classes
[6/7/2019 2:16 PM] doug.emes
because i forsee laser needing it immediately, die sub possibly, certainly many things in woodshop
[6/7/2019 2:16 PM] hon1nbo
it needs to be more known to the space as a whole
[6/7/2019 2:16 PM] doug.emes
yep yep
[6/7/2019 2:16 PM] hon1nbo
woodshop some members are comfortable, but def not all
[6/7/2019 2:16 PM] hon1nbo
sometimes a committee member will call someone at the space to perform a lockout
[6/7/2019 2:16 PM] hon1nbo
and they'll drop the key for a committee member in the server room or some other area
[6/7/2019 2:17 PM] hon1nbo
which is what we do when a member in metal needs to lock something out due to a hazard, but can't stick around
[6/7/2019 2:17 PM] hon1nbo
they just slide the key under the server room door currently
[6/7/2019 2:17 PM] hon1nbo
but I'd rather have a drop box, like right next to the LOTO tools
[6/7/2019 2:17 PM] doug.emes
im mostly there as well
[6/7/2019 2:17 PM] hon1nbo
logistics already has a LOTO set for members to grab as needed
[6/7/2019 2:18 PM] hon1nbo
it's on the tool wall next to the cintas box in front of automotive
[6/7/2019 2:18 PM] hon1nbo
small bag
[6/7/2019 2:18 PM] hon1nbo
I'd rather we make a nicer, easier to see lock out station (we could make the station; they're way too expensive to want to buy one for what's just a glorified hanging rack for padlocks)
[6/7/2019 2:20 PM] doug.emes
handgun safes come to mind
[6/7/2019 2:24 PM] hon1nbo
woah
[6/7/2019 2:25 PM] hon1nbo
just found what may be a perfect one (negating cost, could probably make something like it without too much trouble): https://www.amazon.com/Brady-Combined-Lockout-Station-Padlocks/dp/B003XU7HUA/ref=sr_1_14?keywords=loto+station&qid=1559935137&s=gateway&sr=8-14
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[6/7/2019 2:25 PM] hon1nbo
has a key drop on a bottom that supports a group / supervisor grab for keft keys
[6/7/2019 2:27 PM] hon1nbo
could place an admin lock on the bottom section
[6/7/2019 2:45 PM] canibalcrab
@AGr i wont be able to make it to the welding tonight. apologies
[6/7/2019 2:45 PM] canibalcrab
i can help with any follow up on sunday
[6/7/2019 2:46 PM] agr0090
No problem should be others there, I'm planning on rearranging current general work area tables to install new ones as discussed in meeting, I'm assuming you approve
[6/7/2019 2:49 PM] canibalcrab
the long ones?
[6/7/2019 2:49 PM] agr0090
the not quite 5x10 tables on casters
[6/7/2019 2:50 PM] canibalcrab
if you are moving stuff, plan on us having the pallet racks up in the science and vector area
[6/7/2019 2:50 PM] canibalcrab
the walls need to have stuff moved off them, the cubical walls and such
[6/7/2019 2:51 PM] agr0090
yeah, part will be putting some othe various things on tables onto pallets, including the clearing the spot where racks would go
[6/7/2019 2:51 PM] canibalcrab
yes, thanks. can you distribute pallets to the current spots first
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[6/8/2019 11:55 AM] agr0090
Big thanks to everyone who helped out
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[6/8/2019 11:56 AM] agr0090
Meant to put a gloss top coat of paint on the primer, but that was not realistic in one night
[6/8/2019 11:59 AM] mell.jpg
Those look so good. 👏👏 To those who worked on it.
[6/8/2019 12:12 PM] canibalcrab
Awesome
[6/8/2019 12:44 PM] stephenie.
wow
[6/8/2019 3:01 PM] im_steve
Nicely done!
[6/8/2019 3:32 PM] agr0090
Just got the feet, will install tomorrow
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[6/8/2019 6:36 PM] canibalcrab
We will likely need a box truck and boxes from home Depot for tomorrow
[6/8/2019 7:46 PM] axeonos
Lady from jewelry says she accidently broke a ceiling tile while getting her stuff off the shelf. She says no worries she is okay but wanted logistics to know.
[6/8/2019 8:00 PM] canibalcrab
Can replace tomorrow
[6/8/2019 8:00 PM] canibalcrab
Or if it's from the stack, no worries
[6/8/2019 8:42 PM] agr0090
What time for off siting tomorrow?
[6/8/2019 8:48 PM] canibalcrab
2pm
[6/8/2019 9:16 PM] talkers
It's not on the calendar
[6/8/2019 9:19 PM] canibalcrab
off siting is on all the notices
[6/9/2019 2:53 AM] axeonos
i tried to put the stuff in the bins back on the shelves. if possible people were asking for internet on the back table in new common room. says the internet doesnt seem strong there. also out of markers.
[6/9/2019 2:57 AM] canibalcrab
internet is infra
[6/9/2019 3:12 AM] doug.emes
New common has 4 dedicated ethernet drops all tested. If wifi isn't up to snuff we'll get an ap mounted nearby
[6/9/2019 10:29 AM] nullinterface
this is an #infrastructure question, but any plans to install ports for the presumed under-table common room switches as opposed to loose cables?
[6/9/2019 10:46 AM] yashsedai
assume you mean setting ports on the top of the table connected to the switch?
[6/9/2019 10:46 AM] yashsedai
i think its doable
[6/9/2019 12:19 PM] canibalcrab
Is anyone at the space and able to check the dumpster and how full it is
[6/9/2019 12:32 PM] nullinterface
in about 30 minutes
[6/9/2019 12:51 PM] stansimmons2031
104 dumpster is about 3/4. 102 dumpster is about 1/2.
[6/9/2019 12:54 PM] canibalcrab
Thanks
[6/9/2019 1:06 PM] agr0090
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[6/9/2019 1:09 PM] canibalcrab
Maybe we should bring the pop up to the storage unit with the truck
[6/9/2019 1:31 PM] aceat64
The wind in insane, microburst broke part of my fence
[6/9/2019 1:35 PM] shdragon
NWS is saying 70 MPH wind gusts.
[6/9/2019 1:39 PM] agr0090
Upside down pallet works great
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[6/9/2019 2:00 PM] mell.jpg
Waited a bit for the weather to clear up near me but on my way now.
[6/9/2019 4:05 PM] canibalcrab
This person just brought their stuff back from off site
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[6/9/2019 4:22 PM] hon1nbo
put a notice that it will be dumpstered
[6/9/2019 4:38 PM] sewingstuff2561
File a formal complaint.
[6/9/2019 4:38 PM] canibalcrab
Also no name
[6/9/2019 4:45 PM] aceat64
I vote dumpster, that's a dick move on their part
[6/9/2019 4:46 PM] sewingstuff2561
How do they have a slip? It’s blank?
[6/9/2019 4:46 PM] sewingstuff2561
Yeah.
[6/9/2019 4:46 PM] sewingstuff2561
They’re violating storage policies like all of them.
[6/9/2019 5:15 PM] hon1nbo
yeah no name, then no storage. take it out
[6/9/2019 5:15 PM] hon1nbo
they took something back from offstite storage, don't have a ticket / name down, what else can they expect?
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[6/9/2019 6:25 PM] agr0090
Will be interesting to see if paint is worth the cost in making top more durable
[6/9/2019 6:26 PM] agr0090
Buying a bunch of 1/8 hardboard would be just $8 a sheet
[6/9/2019 7:33 PM] nullinterface
A $500 component will blow first to protect a $0.05 fuse
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[6/9/2019 8:29 PM] canibalcrab
So many spots
[6/9/2019 9:15 PM] judykriehn3727
Lotsa space in the “personal storage” bins as well. There are 18 slots currently available and 17 empty bins. More space will be opening soon as I hear from the owners of the bin contents regarding their options. Yee-ha!
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[6/9/2019 9:40 PM] canibalcrab
Thanks @judy Kriehn !
[6/9/2019 9:44 PM] mizgeek
Yay Judy!
[6/9/2019 10:01 PM] canibalcrab
Several tow tags went out on cars that hadn't moved in 48 hours.
[6/9/2019 10:01 PM] canibalcrab
So many project storage slots are open
[6/9/2019 10:02 PM] canibalcrab
So much stuff thrown away from off site. When power comes back on at home, I will post pictures and a document of who is in violation of storage
[6/9/2019 10:20 PM] agr0090
https://www.uline.com/BL_1956/Butcher-Paper
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[6/9/2019 10:21 PM] agr0090
For $93 could buy rolls of 48" wide butcher paper, that would cover table top ~125 times
[6/9/2019 10:23 PM] canibalcrab
Could get one and see how long it lasts.
[6/9/2019 10:23 PM] canibalcrab
It's potentially a years worth
[6/9/2019 10:24 PM] canibalcrab
Appx 2x a week
[6/9/2019 10:24 PM] agr0090
We have a 30" wide butcher paper roll right now, question is if full 48" width or doing two lengths of 30" wide to cover table is better
[6/9/2019 10:48 PM] agr0090
@pearce was looking at how to best mount roll we have, uline has cheapest roll dispenser I could find at $44, do you want to sent this to a procurement officer to order a dispenser and extra roll for $103? https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-192/Cutters-and-Dispensers/Horizontal-Paper-Cutter-30 and https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-11460/Specialty-Paper/Butcher-Paper-Roll-White-30-x-1100
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[6/9/2019 10:50 PM] canibalcrab
Careful with that "u word"
[6/9/2019 10:50 PM] agr0090
Other option is no dispenser with a bar to help cut it, and can use a $4 dowel rod and 3d printed bracket to mount roll we have under table
[6/9/2019 10:50 PM] canibalcrab
I feel like we could mount a bar easily
[6/9/2019 11:09 PM] michaelb5250
I've had bad experiences with that style of paper roll. I feel like we could do better.
[6/9/2019 11:11 PM] agr0090
was about to start printing this, and just mount it with no built in way to cut the paper
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[6/9/2019 11:13 PM] judykriehn3727
Get dibbies on the next broken bandsaw blade. Make a ripper bar with that
[6/10/2019 2:29 AM] talkers
@pearce "off siting is on all the notices" which went without notice on the calendar or talk, breaking precedent from the last 2+ years.
[6/10/2019 5:03 AM] canibalcrab
I also spoke to you in person and everyone was called
[6/10/2019 6:21 AM] alerho
@gorman I spoke to you in person last week and you were given notice. You also had a message on you're phone.
[6/10/2019 7:20 AM] nullinterface
I have no recollection of posting offsiting days as calendar events when I was Logistics Chair
[6/10/2019 8:41 AM] talkers
@pearce @Alex Rhodes yes, I happened to be there during the traditional logistics renewal meeting.
You changed that. Only announcements were in this sparsely attended forum.
[6/10/2019 8:41 AM] talkers
Yes, you called.
[6/10/2019 8:42 AM] talkers
Everyone have a number?
[6/10/2019 8:42 AM] talkers
Didn't see any other notification
[6/10/2019 8:44 AM] talkers
@ESmith didn't include you
[6/10/2019 8:45 AM] talkers
Whatever
[6/10/2019 8:45 AM] talkers
Makes for greater discord, broken feelings, and more work. Not building team.
[6/10/2019 8:53 AM] merissa4308
Sure seems like there's more of a team, more open discussion, and more equal enforcement of the rules than anything we've seen in years
[6/10/2019 8:59 AM] mell.jpg
@john a gorman we called every single expired ticket.
[6/10/2019 9:02 AM] aceat64
Direct notification seems way better than a entry on the calendar. How many people using storage would even think to check the calendar, let alone realize that their stuff was going to be off-sited?
[6/10/2019 9:02 AM] nullinterface
I found that emails helped immensely
[6/10/2019 9:04 AM] nullinterface
Send to Logistics, BCC all those being evicted with a generic email. A kiosk system can probably be even more targeted and specific.
[6/10/2019 9:05 AM] aceat64
If we have the kiosk code somewhere, ideally GitHub, I can add automated emails
[6/10/2019 9:06 AM] nullinterface
It was additional time to email, however it drove up compliance appreciably
[6/10/2019 9:07 AM] nullinterface
automating the process would be fantastic
[6/10/2019 9:10 AM] aceat64
Seems like phone calls had a similar effect this time
[6/10/2019 9:10 AM] aceat64
Automated email plus phone calls would likely yield the best results
[6/10/2019 9:11 AM] nullinterface
true, although I expect phone calls to be less effective than emails or texts
[6/10/2019 9:13 AM] aceat64
Ooh, I could also send texts automatically
[6/10/2019 9:14 AM] aceat64
Then we could eliminate the human component
[6/10/2019 9:14 AM] judykriehn3727
Or drive to everyone’s home, hat in hand and say “DUDE! MOVE YOUR STUFF!”
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[6/10/2019 9:15 AM] nullinterface
phone calls people often disregard - even voicemails. texts are unlimited for most now so that seems to have a tendency to be read although with SMS spam being a thing might not be read. email people don't seem terribly protective of although they might be tagging as spam.
[6/10/2019 9:15 AM] nullinterface
Nick Sainz had a cheap service for auto-calling people - I gather it was a little more to SMS
[6/10/2019 9:19 AM] aceat64
Looks like twillio is $1/mo and $0.01/text
[6/10/2019 9:20 AM] mell.jpg
I did a good bit of the calling and was actually surprised with the number of people who answered instead of it hitting voicemail. It was higher than I thought it would be.
[6/10/2019 9:20 AM] aceat64
It's actually less, but I rounded up
[6/10/2019 9:21 AM] mell.jpg
Automated system sounds ideal.
[6/10/2019 9:21 AM] aceat64
Kiosk is python I think? Should be trivial for me to add stuff if it is, just need the source code
[6/10/2019 9:22 AM] aceat64
I likely won't have time to do that part for a few weeks, but I can make time to write code if someone can grab it for me
[6/10/2019 9:41 AM] yashsedai
I'll go down and get it later today
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[6/10/2019 11:17 AM] canibalcrab
@AGr has his version on GitHub, the current version is a modification of it
[6/10/2019 11:18 AM] stansimmons2031
Using the DMS phone, with "Dallas Makerspace" as the Caller ID probably helped with that. Our DMS number, 214.699.6537 is also SMS enabled thru VoIP.ms if we want to send out SMS
[6/10/2019 11:18 AM] canibalcrab
I would say compliance was very high, since so many spots were cleared out before off site day.
[6/10/2019 11:19 AM] stansimmons2031
Bill Gee was the last person to touch the current code on the Storage Kiosk
[6/10/2019 11:20 AM] aceat64
dang, looks like VoIP.ms only supports SIP for sending SMS, not a nice REST API
[6/10/2019 11:30 AM] doug.emes
its in the plans for 2019, just not before late july for me to comb over the freepbx were running
[6/10/2019 12:08 PM] stansimmons2031
FreePBX has a REST API.
[6/10/2019 12:35 PM] stansimmons2031
we currently have 3 numbers that are SMS enabled on VoIP.ms. We also have two toll free numbers that do not have SMS.
[6/10/2019 12:38 PM] stansimmons2031
from the VoIP.ms wiki... SMS Service is in BETA phase.
Short Message Service (SMS). This feature will allow you to send and receive messages with your DID Number (US and Canada DID Numbers Only). Currently it is in beta and will remain free until further notice.
Please note that this feature is for regular customer usage. No automation, telemarketing, bulk sending or receiving will be allowed.
[6/10/2019 12:39 PM] canibalcrab
Nick was saying the texts worked pretty well
[6/10/2019 12:39 PM] stansimmons2031
I think he was using Twilio. We also have a Twilio account
[6/10/2019 12:40 PM] aceat64
yeah, twilio's API seems pretty easy, and they have a python library
[6/10/2019 12:41 PM] stansimmons2031
An update to the kiosk could enable that easily enough
[6/10/2019 1:49 PM] stansimmons2031
I now have a verified backup of the Storage Pi. Let me know if you need a copy of it for updates/development
[6/10/2019 1:52 PM] canibalcrab
Nice
[6/10/2019 1:52 PM] canibalcrab
Can you upload it to the dms GitHub?
[6/10/2019 1:52 PM] canibalcrab
Sans rfid records probably a good idea
[6/10/2019 2:18 PM] stansimmons2031
Not being a Linux guy, I wouldn't know where to begin to get what is needed.
[6/10/2019 2:19 PM] canibalcrab
Same
[6/10/2019 2:19 PM] stansimmons2031
I'll see if @yashsedai has some bandwidth
[6/10/2019 2:23 PM] aceat64
what format is the data right now? I have some time to dig into it if you can send it
[6/10/2019 2:43 PM] stansimmons2031
I PM'd you login info to the backup storage pi. Nothing is running on it right now.
[6/10/2019 3:01 PM] aceat64
copying to my system now, it seems like this code hasn't been touched since sep 2017 so I might rewrite lol
[6/10/2019 3:21 PM] canibalcrab
We can't do this to the dumpster they won't pick it up
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[6/10/2019 3:24 PM] doug.emes
post to talk as well, the more you know...
[6/10/2019 3:28 PM] agr0090
is it possible that the wind blew it from out of trash? Would hope that someone wouldn't intentionally put trash bags on the lid in mid air
[6/10/2019 3:33 PM] canibalcrab
No I got word it was dumpster divers
[6/10/2019 3:35 PM] agr0090
thats annoying
[6/10/2019 3:45 PM] judykriehn3727
Diving for what? Stuff you trashed from offsite?
[6/10/2019 3:45 PM] michaelb5250
No pickup until Wednesday?
[6/10/2019 3:46 PM] michaelb5250
I can't blame someone for wanting some of that wood, it was nice stuff. But I can't imagine anyone would dive for it and just leave a mess like that...
[6/10/2019 3:46 PM] judykriehn3727
That particular bin is -supposed- to be emptied Tuesday/Thursday, and the other Monday/Friday, but Stan says the drivers never get it right.
[6/10/2019 4:30 PM] stansimmons2031
Our trash drivers are "special".
[6/10/2019 5:34 PM] axeonos
special or lazy... or both
[6/10/2019 10:08 PM] stansimmons2031
@pearce I found the setup for DMSSurplus@ on our phone system. It was setup for Luke S to sell stuff, but wasn't used much.
[6/10/2019 10:10 PM] stansimmons2031
972.798.4666 is the number, it goes to an IVR that emails the Voice Mail to the group DMSSurplus@DallasMakerspace.org It also forwards any SMS Text to the same email. Do you want me to add you to the DMSSurplus group?
[6/10/2019 10:23 PM] canibalcrab
Sure
[6/10/2019 10:28 PM] stansimmons2031
Which email?
[6/10/2019 10:30 PM] stansimmons2031
canibalcrab@dallasmakerspace.org?
[6/10/2019 10:37 PM] stansimmons2031
You should have a test SMS at that email
[6/10/2019 11:59 PM] agr0090
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[6/10/2019 11:59 PM] agr0090
Mounted with a safety cutter on a string
[6/11/2019 12:26 AM] judykriehn3727
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[6/11/2019 12:27 AM] axeonos
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[6/11/2019 12:27 AM] mizgeek
Pretty!!
[6/11/2019 12:01 PM] agr0090
Should we throw out some dates for next logistics meeting? Was going to put a few spending requests on it
[6/11/2019 12:02 PM] canibalcrab
Yes. It should be before the 22nd
[6/11/2019 12:02 PM] canibalcrab
(next board meeting)
[6/11/2019 12:02 PM] agr0090
6/19 9pm
[6/11/2019 12:03 PM] canibalcrab
Bit late, we took the whole 2 hours I scheduled last time
[6/11/2019 12:04 PM] canibalcrab
Its not a Thursday though, so people will be happy with that. Let's let some people chime in and try for 730-8
[6/11/2019 2:04 PM] nullinterface
Guess I need to finish the *stock list* I got started on
[6/11/2019 2:05 PM] nullinterface
any reason *not* to transition 104 workshop to hammer drills and shift the remaining drills to 102 flex?
[6/11/2019 2:05 PM] nullinterface
102 workshop could perhaps wait several months
[6/11/2019 2:06 PM] nullinterface
also, Frank has done some footwork on getting bulk drill bits quoted - perhaps we should blow some Logi cash on that
[6/11/2019 2:12 PM] agr0090
Does anyone actually use hammering function on drills like these? https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-Cordless-1-2-in-Hammer-Drill-Driver-Tool-Only-with-Handle-P214/206666886
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[6/11/2019 2:27 PM] nullinterface
don't know, however they have better specs than the pack-in drills, no?
[6/11/2019 2:30 PM] nullinterface
ryobi's own website won't say other than different RPM range and "heavy duty" chuck on the hammer drill
[6/11/2019 2:30 PM] nullinterface
important thing is that the hammer drill is part of the twofer promotion
[6/11/2019 2:31 PM] yashsedai
lol
[6/11/2019 2:31 PM] yashsedai
their "hammer" function
[6/11/2019 2:31 PM] yashsedai
its cute
[6/11/2019 2:31 PM] nullinterface
Relative to that Bosch I'm sure it is decidedly cute
[6/11/2019 2:31 PM] yashsedai
lol
[6/11/2019 2:31 PM] yashsedai
i wasn't even comparing it
[6/11/2019 2:31 PM] yashsedai
just in general its like an angry bee
[6/11/2019 2:31 PM] yashsedai
that bosch is insanity
[6/11/2019 2:32 PM] nullinterface
what we really want are drills that will last for a bit longer than the remnants of kit drills
[6/11/2019 2:32 PM] yashsedai
well
[6/11/2019 2:32 PM] yashsedai
you wouldnt like my solution
[6/11/2019 2:32 PM] nullinterface
which is what, hand drills?
[6/11/2019 2:32 PM] yashsedai
buy corded drills with keyed chucks
[6/11/2019 2:33 PM] yashsedai
it prevents willy nilly abuse AND reduces cost
[6/11/2019 2:33 PM] yashsedai
i've seen some unholy things done with the cordless drills
[6/11/2019 2:33 PM] aceat64
downside, it means more plug/cord abuse
[6/11/2019 2:33 PM] nullinterface
those will last longer but won't be as useful since power doesn't go everywhere and are a bit scarce
[6/11/2019 2:34 PM] yashsedai
its a 50/50 problem, buy more cordless watch them die faster/invest in infrastructure and see longer life
[6/11/2019 2:34 PM] yashsedai
i know it won't happen
[6/11/2019 2:34 PM] yashsedai
but I do see users having to actually think about what they are doing if using it. the big if, is IF we had power at every table it would be no big deal
[6/11/2019 2:35 PM] nullinterface
we keep buying roboreels for power
[6/11/2019 2:35 PM] yashsedai
roboreels need to die
[6/11/2019 2:35 PM] yashsedai
those things are trash
[6/11/2019 2:35 PM] nullinterface
not a fan myself
[6/11/2019 2:35 PM] yashsedai
clutched reels are fine
[6/11/2019 2:35 PM] yashsedai
but not cheap
[6/11/2019 2:35 PM] nullinterface
power at every bench would be very nice
[6/11/2019 2:36 PM] nullinterface
but that also either demands static workbenches or more modular dangling power than we've presently got
[6/11/2019 2:36 PM] yashsedai
well, if you considered it seriously the world is your oyster in the 102 side
[6/11/2019 2:36 PM] agr0090
we recently got some 'more static' work benches
[6/11/2019 2:36 PM] nullinterface
the new and improved 104 worktables aren't going to move around a lot
[6/11/2019 2:36 PM] yashsedai
as far as 104, a hanging drop there wouldn't be unreasonable
[6/11/2019 2:37 PM] nullinterface
102 side has previous little non-committee workspace in the workshop; flex area yeah a lot of space
[6/11/2019 2:37 PM] nullinterface
we still want cordless for mobility
[6/11/2019 2:38 PM] yashsedai
i know 😛
[6/11/2019 2:38 PM] nullinterface
perhaps less so the primary power tools since they're inherently more expensive
[6/12/2019 1:00 PM] agr0090
@pearce do you want to request a procurement officer purchase 2 more rolls of butcher paper for $120? (as chair you uniquely have ability to request small purchases from committee funds) https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-11460/Specialty-Paper/Butcher-Paper-Roll-White-30-x-1100
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Cover tables or wrap deli items. Use smooth white kraft paper for a cleaner presentation. 40 lb. virgin butcher paper. Low sulfur. Near neutral pH. FDA compliant. Use with 36" Stainless Steel Paper Cutter . ULINE offers over 30,000 boxes, plastic poly bags, mailing tubes, wa...
[6/12/2019 1:07 PM] agr0090
Also with no objection in next 30 minutes I'll submit logistics meeting to calendar for 6/19 8pm - 9:30pm
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[6/12/2019 1:39 PM] canibalcrab
That's still too late for a meeting
[6/12/2019 1:40 PM] canibalcrab
There's something like 4 rolls of paper on the logistics shelf
[6/12/2019 1:43 PM] agr0090
how do I cancel something I already clicked submit on in calendar but hasn't shown up yet?
[6/12/2019 1:44 PM] agr0090
didn't realize there were more rolls, I'll print more holders, are they in a box?
[6/12/2019 1:45 PM] agr0090
I cancelled event I submitted
[6/12/2019 1:59 PM] canibalcrab
They are small long boxes
[6/12/2019 1:59 PM] canibalcrab
Small rolls, but enough to hold us off for a bit.
[6/12/2019 1:59 PM] canibalcrab
Did you decide the 48" wasn't worth it?
[6/12/2019 2:03 PM] agr0090
Holder would protrude on each side some which might be annoying, there is only slightly less than 36" between the legs, so to allow roll to sit somewhat inside legs need to go with the 30"
[6/12/2019 8:31 PM] canibalcrab
How did we do this
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NSFW
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[6/12/2019 8:34 PM] judykriehn3727
I bought one that did that one the first time I heated it up. Then the b**ch asst manager refused to do an exchange because "it was used."
[6/12/2019 8:38 PM] judykriehn3727
@AGr - could you install one of the rolls at the end a table where it would be visible walking in from the hallway? I had to look hard to find the installation from last night when I walked through today. Table users that aren't that motivated to find a paper roll might skip that step altogether if it doesn't scream "HEY I'M PAPER! USE ME!"
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[6/12/2019 9:21 PM] doug.emes
Betting it got dropped,this is one of my 2 at the house for Jen.
[6/12/2019 9:40 PM] agr0090
Sure, I can flip the table around, might be a few days before I'm at DMS again
[6/12/2019 9:41 PM] agr0090
Can use this lift cart and upside down pallet and anyone could flip it around
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[6/13/2019 3:16 PM] canibalcrab
Whos at the space right now
[6/13/2019 3:24 PM] stansimmons2031
Whatcha need?
[6/13/2019 3:45 PM] lavarocks.
Werw you aware the member meeting was going to be 50% discussion of paid vs unpaid storage?
[6/13/2019 3:46 PM] agr0090
is there an agenda?
[6/13/2019 3:47 PM] lavarocks.
According to Cairenn
[6/13/2019 3:47 PM] andrew5152
if you can decipher:
[6/13/2019 3:47 PM] andrew5152
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/members-discussion-meeting-on-friday-june-14-2019/57599
[6/13/2019 3:47 PM] lavarocks.
Half about honorarium half about storage
[6/13/2019 3:48 PM] agr0090
No one has put anymore proposals on the logistics working document https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/help-write-a-proposal-for-paid-storage/56826
[6/13/2019 3:51 PM] andrew5152
what does that have to do with talking about it in the hallways @ DMS the only official method of communicating where you would know about it if you were ever there and stuff, huh?
[6/13/2019 4:05 PM] lavarocks.
Tin can phones and twine
[6/13/2019 4:07 PM] canibalcrab
@StanSimmons I'm dumb. I asked that and then started driving.
[6/13/2019 4:07 PM] canibalcrab
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[6/13/2019 4:08 PM] canibalcrab
She's upset I cleaned out storage, they also won't participate in the storage threads we have already proposed
[6/13/2019 4:09 PM] lavarocks.
But that's her personal issue, and I don't feel it's fair to make it one half of the meeting, especially because she isn't in charge.
[6/13/2019 4:10 PM] canibalcrab
Man I didn't want to go to the space tomorrow
[6/13/2019 4:10 PM] judykriehn3727
What I don't understand is why if there was a plan - why none of the people who claim to know it haven't written it down for submission in the ensuing weeks since the original Logistics election.
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[6/13/2019 4:13 PM] canibalcrab
Yep
[6/13/2019 4:13 PM] canibalcrab
They keep spreading rumors about what we are going to do with it too
[6/13/2019 4:25 PM] judykriehn3727
FYI, I started measuring things. I'm having trouble figuring out where they were all going to go without blocking fire exit aisles...
[6/13/2019 4:28 PM] judykriehn3727
@Lavarocks - can you help me do some measuring this evening before or after the CA meeting? I just need to measure the space in front of science/vector and in front of Printmaking.\
[6/13/2019 4:30 PM] canibalcrab
Yeah, there's an issue with committees taking more floor space than intended. We are going to have to take back some shelf space from them
[6/13/2019 4:32 PM] draco_the_drake
oh, I'm sure that they will be over joyed ... but it is understandable ...
[6/13/2019 4:48 PM] lavarocks.
@judy Kriehn apparently I kicked a puppy or something because my ac just went out so I get to wait for the ac guy and wont be at the meeting.
[6/13/2019 4:49 PM] judykriehn3727
Boooo. I hate when A/C abandons you in a time of need.
[6/13/2019 4:49 PM] lavarocks.
Its fishy because we had someone out on Monday and they said the capacitor could go out any day. Yeah, mysteriously.
[6/13/2019 4:50 PM] mizgeek
😱
[6/13/2019 4:50 PM] judykriehn3727
Was it AAAppliance? They condemned my heater, telling me that there was a crack in the heat exchanger. I called for quotes. The second contractor said he wanted to see the crack before he submitted a bid. Then called me over to watch as he erased the "crack" with his pencil eraser.
[6/13/2019 4:52 PM] mizgeek
Oh wow
[6/13/2019 4:53 PM] mizgeek
At least my two days without AC was fixed by the return of power 😁
[6/13/2019 4:57 PM] lavarocks.
It was Baker brothers
[6/13/2019 4:58 PM] lavarocks.
Great service my ass
[6/13/2019 4:59 PM] yashsedai
lool
[6/13/2019 5:20 PM] stephenie.
Booth Mechanical is mine. Called them out years ago to fix the a/c unit on recommendation of neighbors. They proposed two solutions, one more budget friendly than the other. Went with that one because unit was less than 10 yrs old. Haven't used them since. The Fast forward to this year... Furnace is 21 years old, making a noise. Service guy who's been with them for 20 yrs fixes problem just by standing there and intimidating it. Leaves without even charging me. Says "call us when it does such and such."
[6/13/2019 5:24 PM] canibalcrab
Sometimes you just have to stare down your appliances
[6/13/2019 5:25 PM] canibalcrab
I follow up with "don't make me tie you to a railroad track"
[6/13/2019 5:31 PM] lavarocks.
I honestly just need to learn to fix shit myself
[6/13/2019 5:32 PM] lavarocks.
The capacitor installation is 200 when we could do it for parts only
[6/13/2019 5:32 PM] lavarocks.
But we dont want to sleep in a 90 degree house tonight so
[6/13/2019 5:38 PM] lavarocks.
And its fixed...
[6/13/2019 5:41 PM] canibalcrab
Worth it
[6/13/2019 6:06 PM] stephenie.
Some problems can be solved with money
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[6/13/2019 9:12 PM] nullinterface
Like so many things solved at unlisted meetings and not documented, the details behind the previous Logistics *new storage plan* remain elusive, possibly deliberately so
[6/13/2019 9:13 PM] stansimmons2031
Have any of you guys actually asked Kris?
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[6/13/2019 9:13 PM] nullinterface
Many did, at the election meeting
[6/13/2019 9:13 PM] stansimmons2031
Since then?
[6/13/2019 9:14 PM] nullinterface
"Free bins for the disadvantaged" was the main consistent point
[6/13/2019 9:19 PM] stansimmons2031
Ok, I'll rephrase... Have you asked her?
[6/13/2019 9:21 PM] nullinterface
The question was posed at the meeting. Many times. Details were not forthcoming although much guilt-tripping was for not being at whatever meeting this big plan allegedly occurred at in the past.
[6/13/2019 9:22 PM] nullinterface
There was an outline of a plan as a BoD proposal that wasn't moved on
[6/13/2019 9:23 PM] stansimmons2031
So... that would be a "No".
[6/13/2019 9:26 PM] stansimmons2031
It might be worth the effort to contact her, no matter how much you dislike her.
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[6/13/2019 10:26 PM] aceat64
I thought Carienn or someone in the meeting had sad they were going to do that
[6/13/2019 10:29 PM] lavarocks.
You're entrusting her as messenger?
[6/13/2019 10:50 PM] yashsedai
BAHAHHAAHAHAHA
[6/13/2019 10:50 PM] yashsedai
i nearly spit my drink
[6/13/2019 11:02 PM] redbeardedpirate
The fact that nobody has asked Kris says it all
[6/13/2019 11:18 PM] yashsedai
what does it say?
[6/13/2019 11:22 PM] draco_the_drake
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/bod-agenda-4-15-19-storage-solutions/54271
[6/13/2019 11:28 PM] draco_the_drake
Added to document ....
[6/13/2019 11:29 PM] yashsedai
That is known information
[6/13/2019 11:29 PM] aceat64
that plan has a lot of room for clarification
1. how many crates can a member have? it says more than one "as room allows" what's the way to determine that?
2. How many free crates does a teacher get? Do they go away if they stop teaching? Can I teach 3 classes one month and be good for a year?
3. How many free crates does a committee get?
I'm sure there's more but that's off the top of my head
[6/13/2019 11:32 PM] yashsedai
Not to mention the agreement that would have to be drawn up
[6/13/2019 11:32 PM] aceat64
4. How will we track when the term expires for a crate and how will we deal with them?
5. How will we deal with members who buy a crate/spot and then drop their membership?
[6/13/2019 11:33 PM] aceat64
for reference this is the complete storage policy right now: https://dallasmakerspace.org/w/images/f/fe/Project_Storage_1.0_2016-04-30.pdf
[6/13/2019 11:34 PM] aceat64
if there's a more fleshed out document for Kris' idea, great, but the onus is on whoever wants that system to find it and put it up as a proposal
[6/14/2019 12:08 AM] agr0090
"Racks are available in every area" what racks and where exactly? is every committee going to give up 100 square feet to but a rack of 15 bins in their area?
[6/14/2019 12:10 AM] michaelb5250
I don't know of a better argument that the original plan was clearly not thought through than the aparant fact that we don't have enough space for the bins that were bought in the first place.
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[6/14/2019 12:10 AM] agr0090
we would if we completely replaced all current project storage shelving, but that is a very bad idea
[6/14/2019 12:11 AM] michaelb5250
Since it wasnt thought through, who cares what it was. Throw it out and we'll come up with a better plan. Which is what we're doing.
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[6/14/2019 12:16 AM] canibalcrab
Yes she said in the meeting that it would replace all of project storage
[6/14/2019 12:19 AM] stephenie.
Can we return the bins? Some of the bins?
[6/14/2019 12:19 AM] stephenie.
How many are there?
[6/14/2019 12:19 AM] canibalcrab
About 300
[6/14/2019 12:19 AM] stansimmons2031
308
[6/14/2019 12:19 AM] agr0090
~300, 5 pallets I think
[6/14/2019 12:20 AM] canibalcrab
Some have been used which is questionable
[6/14/2019 12:20 AM] stephenie.
What did they cost?
[6/14/2019 12:20 AM] canibalcrab
But it looks like mostly for logistics stuff like moving the old front room
[6/14/2019 12:20 AM] stansimmons2031
$8.49@
[6/14/2019 12:21 AM] stephenie.
oof
[6/14/2019 12:22 AM] stephenie.
And under the Kris proposal anyone on the starving hacker (10% of membership, approx 220 people) rate would be eligible for bins at no cost.
[6/14/2019 12:22 AM] michaelb5250
According to a talk post expansion paid $2614.92 for them
[6/14/2019 12:23 AM] canibalcrab
I would like to see documentation on them.
[6/14/2019 12:24 AM] canibalcrab
We are having trouble from the bookkeeper about capitol expenses for less than the amount of those bins
[6/14/2019 12:25 AM] stephenie.
You mean purchases over $1000 and last more than a year need Board's okay?
[6/14/2019 12:25 AM] stephenie.
There was no board vote on the bins
[6/14/2019 12:25 AM] michaelb5250
Personally I'm curious why they were paid from expansion while the implementation was brought up with logistics, but for now I'll assume there's a good reason..
[6/14/2019 12:28 AM] draco_the_drake
There are things part of the expansion plan that are for committees. For example, I believe expansion is paying for part of the fume hood exhaust.
[6/14/2019 12:29 AM] draco_the_drake
Storage was planned for in the expansion plans
[6/14/2019 12:29 AM] yashsedai
Not the bins....
[6/14/2019 12:32 AM] aceat64
@Draco oh, were they in the budget?
[6/14/2019 12:40 AM] yashsedai
OHHHH
[6/14/2019 12:40 AM] michaelb5250
@Draco I don't really agree with the analogy but I appreciate the explanation, I hope it proves true
[6/14/2019 12:42 AM] draco_the_drake
As the Expansion Account is negative several thousand dollars, who knows?
[6/14/2019 1:26 AM] agr0090
V2 of butcher paper roll holder, after installing first one realized there wasn't enough clearance to drill and tap the holes in the back, so can instead mount it to front face, easy access to drill and tap. And leaves enough space in all dimensions for a full 1,100' 8" diameter spool to be loaded
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[6/14/2019 9:10 AM] doug.emes
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[6/14/2019 5:55 PM] michaelb5250
@pearce the jackets we left on the caravan after offsiting got put in project storage, no ticket attached.
[6/14/2019 5:58 PM] michaelb5250
Allen said 'if they're going to get rid (offsite) of things not stored correctly, we might as well take them up on the offer' 😑
[6/14/2019 6:04 PM] canibalcrab
oh i thought they got brought in
[6/15/2019 12:58 PM] stansimmons2031
Paper towels?
[6/15/2019 1:00 PM] stansimmons2031
@pearce ?
[6/15/2019 1:06 PM] lavarocks.
Do we not have them delivered?
[6/15/2019 1:11 PM] stansimmons2031
No, I used to pick them up from Costco every two weeks or so.
[6/15/2019 1:17 PM] stansimmons2031
... on May 5 Pearce forbid me from buying anything for Logistics. He is chair, so that is his prerogative, and now his problem.
[6/15/2019 1:25 PM] michaelb5250
I assume these are the non-cintas towels we're out of?
[6/15/2019 1:35 PM] stansimmons2031
Yep
[6/15/2019 1:41 PM] lavarocks.
Crap, I'm doing a resin pour class and use paper towels like a bunch
[6/15/2019 2:36 PM] canibalcrab
There's a bunch in the storage room if you haven't checked tbere
[6/15/2019 2:37 PM] canibalcrab
Your list didn't have numbers for me to go off of
[6/15/2019 2:41 PM] agr0090
as in whats burn rate and desired stock level? depends on how often they are replenished
[6/15/2019 3:17 PM] stansimmons2031
There are no paper towel rolls in the storage room, unless you count the Cintas huge rolls
[6/15/2019 3:18 PM] stansimmons2031
I usually bought between 2 and 5 cases of paper towel every week and a half or two weeks, depending on usage rates... which vary wildly.
[6/15/2019 3:21 PM] stansimmons2031
Use of paper goods at DMS varies a lot depending on classes, etc. there is no dependable stocking level. I just tried to do a Costco run every 1.5-2 weeks depending on when any particular item was running low. That does require checking stocks at least every few days.
[6/15/2019 3:25 PM] stansimmons2031
@Lavarocks there are a few packs of z-fold paper towels in the storage room that you can use
[6/15/2019 3:35 PM] stansimmons2031
@pearce We also appear to be out of Sharpie pens
[6/15/2019 3:51 PM] sewingstuff2561
Also red solo cups and “hot cups”
[6/15/2019 3:51 PM] lavarocks.
Duuuuuude
[6/15/2019 3:58 PM] canibalcrab
Dunno what a hot cup is, but there's a plethora of questionable ownership coffee mugs above the sink
[6/15/2019 4:01 PM] stansimmons2031
https://www.costco.com/Dixie-To-Go-8-oz-Insulated-Cup%2c-160-count.product.100381459.html
[6/15/2019 4:02 PM] canibalcrab
Ah
[6/15/2019 4:02 PM] canibalcrab
See coffee mugs
[6/15/2019 4:05 PM] stansimmons2031
So you don't think we need paper cups for hot drinks?
[6/15/2019 4:05 PM] stansimmons2031
They also get used for mixing resins and glues, etc.
[6/15/2019 4:07 PM] canibalcrab
I know I'm able to bring my own cups for resins because I know the process ruins many cups.
[6/15/2019 4:08 PM] canibalcrab
I also don't think solo cups or "hot cups" are appropriate for that anyway
[6/15/2019 4:09 PM] stephenie.
Lots of us bring our own cups for drinks. With lids.
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[6/15/2019 4:10 PM] canibalcrab
@stephenie as we should. It's much better for everyone and doesn't create a ton of excess trash that doesn't get recycled, on top of excess costs that people just assume the dms will handle
[6/15/2019 4:11 PM] stephenie.
We definitely have a trash-to-dumpster problem. Overflowing cans in the kitchen on weekends.
[6/15/2019 4:14 PM] canibalcrab
I wonder if we could get a class on making custom handles for personal food cutlery sets. Could have a follow up class on how to make a storage case out of leather.
[6/15/2019 4:16 PM] hon1nbo
We provide food that requires cutlerly
[6/15/2019 4:16 PM] hon1nbo
Kinda need to get some
[6/15/2019 4:17 PM] merissa4308
You mean Parks food?
[6/15/2019 4:17 PM] hon1nbo
Yeah
[6/15/2019 4:18 PM] merissa4308
Ah ok, haven't noticed/bought any myself
[6/15/2019 4:19 PM] michaelb5250
Yeah there's yogurt for one. I thought parks had their own stuff but I've never noticed.
[6/15/2019 4:19 PM] mell.jpg
I bet we could tell them not to stock whatever requires cutlery.
[6/15/2019 4:19 PM] michaelb5250
The red cups are nice as water cooler type cups, but I was pretty surprised when I first realized DMS was stocking them. Same with cutlery
[6/15/2019 4:19 PM] merissa4308
Or provide some disposable stuff with it?
[6/15/2019 4:19 PM] stansimmons2031
Nice. 🙄
[6/15/2019 4:19 PM] hon1nbo
Given that we require members be on site for certain things it would be a bad idea to get rid of those types of things
[6/15/2019 4:20 PM] hon1nbo
Long print jobs or oven jobs for example
[6/15/2019 4:20 PM] hon1nbo
Someone may be here all night. Delivery services are a problem
[6/15/2019 4:20 PM] merissa4308
Just brainstorming
[6/15/2019 4:20 PM] hon1nbo
Members get value out of that service
[6/15/2019 4:22 PM] canibalcrab
In a group of makers I would expect people to be able to bring their own cutlery. Or at least find a solution. Which is why I mentioned the class, or classes for them. Getting a camp set is very in expensive
[6/15/2019 4:23 PM] michaelb5250
The real question here is wether that added value is worth the cost of keeping stuff stocked. I'm not sure it is
[6/15/2019 4:23 PM] stansimmons2031
Penny wise and pound foolish
[6/15/2019 4:23 PM] canibalcrab
I can see cups being more useful, but if we are using the drinking cups for mixing resin. And paints and glues. We have another problem
[6/15/2019 4:23 PM] merissa4308
Do we still have a water bottle filler since the water fountain moved?
[6/15/2019 4:23 PM] stansimmons2031
yes
[6/15/2019 4:23 PM] merissa4308
Yay good
[6/15/2019 4:24 PM] stansimmons2031
both the fountain/filler and the ice maker are filtered water
[6/15/2019 4:24 PM] merissa4308
Good deal
[6/15/2019 4:25 PM] hon1nbo
We could make a little dispenser for it. Doesn't need a training group or anything, but adds a personal sense of accountability to not be wasteful
[6/15/2019 4:25 PM] hon1nbo
I don't mind designing it
[6/15/2019 4:25 PM] hon1nbo
Doesn't need a cost
[6/15/2019 4:26 PM] hon1nbo
But someone would get the feels of bad when taking a lot
[6/15/2019 4:26 PM] hon1nbo
Slash not using it when needed
[6/15/2019 4:26 PM] canibalcrab
For cups?
[6/15/2019 4:26 PM] merissa4308
For cups or cutlery?
[6/15/2019 4:26 PM] hon1nbo
Cutlerly.
[6/15/2019 4:26 PM] hon1nbo
So not for mixing of resins
[6/15/2019 4:26 PM] hon1nbo
And still encourage people to bring some
[6/15/2019 4:27 PM] hon1nbo
It's just a sense of responsibility to not be wasteful
[6/15/2019 4:27 PM] stansimmons2031
who is going to keep it full?
[6/15/2019 4:28 PM] stansimmons2031
I've been keeping the cutlery holder in the drawer full, but some yoyo keeps dumping a whole box of spoons in there. 🙄
[6/15/2019 4:28 PM] hon1nbo
Cups mayhaps as well
[6/15/2019 4:29 PM] hon1nbo
Or maybe we just get thinner / smaller cups for water not suited for resin
[6/15/2019 4:29 PM] merissa4308
Dont we already have a cup dispenser?
[6/15/2019 4:29 PM] hon1nbo
Was referring to my idea of making someone scan for one. It's not a cost but it adds a sense of accountability
[6/15/2019 4:30 PM] hon1nbo
To not grab a handful for a making project when they're really for water etc
[6/15/2019 4:30 PM] stansimmons2031
Lets get RFID on tools first....
[6/15/2019 4:30 PM] hon1nbo
Of course, but it is an option in the longer term. I could make this out of a door controller instead since there is no current sensing or other conplexities
[6/15/2019 4:34 PM] lavarocks.
That's fine if you're not going to offer them anymore but dont be a jerk and just let them run out. I didnt bring my cup today and would have had brought mine.
[6/15/2019 4:35 PM] canibalcrab
ay
[6/15/2019 4:35 PM] canibalcrab
i dont have a 6th sense for red cups
[6/15/2019 4:36 PM] canibalcrab
am working on getting more
[6/15/2019 4:36 PM] lavarocks.
Also, saying we should bring our own cutlery- well makers could bring their own tools and dont need 12k from the board.
[6/15/2019 4:37 PM] canibalcrab
but i see a large trend on the consumables in the kitchen just being wasted
[6/15/2019 4:37 PM] canibalcrab
i dont expect members to bring their own non disposable tools
[6/15/2019 4:37 PM] canibalcrab
apples and oranges
[6/15/2019 4:38 PM] lavarocks.
I like hyperbole
[6/15/2019 4:38 PM] hon1nbo
Given that some members have to come a long way, have disabilities, not their own car to drive here, or the myriad of other reasons that can make a long stay here problematic I don't think it's prudent for not having some plasticware etc
[6/15/2019 4:38 PM] lavarocks.
We offer blue tape, gloves etc
[6/15/2019 4:39 PM] hon1nbo
Delivery after hours here is problematic, we have people already that have to ride their bikes / walk etc, and others that have enough consumables being brought in
[6/15/2019 4:44 PM] canibalcrab
might have to just use the cintas rolls for today
[6/15/2019 4:47 PM] hon1nbo
Quick unrelated q on cintas: their "shellshock" scrub is ineffective compared to the stuff we had. Some people have already been breaking open the containers of summit stuff to use it instead.
Can I just go ahead and remount the summit dispenser? Not necessarily take the cintas one down, but if people are gonna keep using the summit at least it won't get all over the water heater and floor, or have people sticking their hands into the container. All of which is currently happening
[6/15/2019 4:48 PM] hon1nbo
I don't know why we bothered to remove it to try the cintas stuff, should have had both and seen direct comparisons
[6/15/2019 4:48 PM] canibalcrab
thats fine if you can remount it in a stud
[6/15/2019 4:48 PM] canibalcrab
or use the right anchors
[6/15/2019 4:48 PM] canibalcrab
you know what you are doing with it
[6/15/2019 4:49 PM] hon1nbo
Yeah it's easy enough
[6/15/2019 4:49 PM] lavarocks.
Magic
[6/15/2019 4:50 PM] canibalcrab
we say its easy enough... the last person who owned my house used deck screws for everything. hang a picture? deck screw. replace air filter screw? deck screw.
[6/15/2019 4:55 PM] hon1nbo
And the dispenser appears to have walked off in the interim since it was unmounted for the cintas one
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[6/15/2019 4:55 PM] judykriehn3727
only related to @pearce 's comment: When I bought my house, every lightbulb had been downgraded to 40w bulbs and the walls, ceilings and woodwork were uniformly painted a rather intense lemon yellow. At night, it was like living in a giant bug light.
[6/15/2019 8:50 PM] hon1nbo
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[6/15/2019 8:50 PM] hon1nbo
Done
[6/15/2019 8:50 PM] canibalcrab
:dms:
[6/15/2019 8:50 PM] canibalcrab
That sink looks way dirtier in pictures
[6/15/2019 10:25 PM] nullinterface
Deck screws > sheetrock screws. Unless you're installing into sheetrock in which case you're gonna want sheetrock anchors.
[6/15/2019 10:25 PM] nullinterface
Logistics used to stock sheetrock screws just because they were cheap and sufficiently terrible that they didn't get consumed very quickly
[6/16/2019 12:43 AM] agr0090
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[6/16/2019 12:44 AM] agr0090
Had to improvise the rods for the Kraft paper rolls, which don't have a standard spool center
[6/16/2019 1:19 AM] agr0090
What can we do to deter leaving glueups on tables?
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[6/16/2019 1:20 AM] agr0090
I thought an empty pallet would be obvious
[6/16/2019 1:20 AM] michaelb5250
We're expecting them to go under the table, right?
[6/16/2019 1:21 AM] agr0090
Anywhere but on the table, give it 20 minutes and then can move it before you leave
[6/16/2019 1:21 AM] michaelb5250
Yeah the 20 minute deal is probably a cultural thing, I would guess most people are used to leaving a glue up alone overnight
[6/16/2019 1:24 AM] michaelb5250
Glue up on the pallet (or a sheet of MDF on a pallet) and drop it down for storage? Using a hydraulic cart?
[6/16/2019 1:24 AM] agr0090
Wood glue doesn't take that long, could put no leaving glue ups signs on all table tops, but then it would be covered by the paper
[6/16/2019 1:25 AM] michaelb5250
By paper and glue ups
[6/16/2019 1:26 AM] michaelb5250
I'm thinking that if someone has the mentality that they need to leave it alone overnight (even if that's wrong) there's not much we can do. In that case woodshop needs to start telling people how to deal with it in classes
[6/16/2019 1:31 AM] agr0090
Leads into general problem of how best to communicate logistics rules, like if we change storage at all, how can we educate the random member who comes up and doesn't care to follow talk or anything
[6/16/2019 1:42 AM] michaelb5250
I know Bert has run into similar issues on the multicam. He's tried that giant TV, no idea how well it's working. Communication is difficult around here
[6/16/2019 9:17 AM] mell.jpg
Which giant tv? We could certainly try that. Would be worth a shot.
[6/16/2019 9:34 AM] judykriehn3727
Greg donated an unused large screen tv and mounted it on the wall at the foot of the Multicam. Bert made a list of procedures that needed to be communicated, I did a series of slides to illustrate the instructions, and it is in a rotating display.
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[6/16/2019 9:42 AM] mell.jpg
Understood. But maybe we can put info up on rotation on other tvs around the space like @stephenie was doing for other things?
[6/16/2019 10:24 AM] andrew5152
given the topics @ hand, specifically:
1. Should {anyone} be allowed to spend DMS funds on Food
2. Should logistics stock utensils, cups, etc. for foodstuffs
3. Should logistics stock utensils for _other_ activities, e.g. resin mixing
I am finding myself wondering if a Fodd & Beverage Committee might be a good thing. Has such athing been kicked around before?
I see them offloading from Logistics anything food, party, picnic, etc. related (addressing item 2 directly, 3 indirectly)
and serving as a clearing house for _funding_ such activities (addressing item 1). As a committee, they could maintain a fund for food purchases, budget for consumables, etc. Want to buy pizza for {activity X}? Food Committee funds. Need a fork for donated cake serving? Food Committee funds. Want to make sure these activities have enough funding for _your pet project_? Donate funds directly to the committee, either with "cash" or honorarium, same as any other committee....
Might be a horrible idea, but it seems to me it serves some valid purposes. For me personally, it specifically makes my monthly membership fee _not_ be spent on food (which I think it should not be; I realise some other folks think differently, and I vehemently disagree), makes it so that any _other_ {committee, board, SIG, etc.} spending on foodstuffs is more readily traceable, as they would need to xfer funding to Food Committee in order for that to happen...
As stated, probably NOT a good idea, and probably already discussed and discarded, but I'm throwing it out there. Probably pie in the sky, at best.
[6/16/2019 11:11 AM] lavarocks.
Can we get a chain held sign to hang from the ceiling?
[6/16/2019 12:29 PM] nullinterface
@A. Spencer(jast)
1. under defined situations, sure
2. I'd rather Logistics not stock the galley with food-specific consumables
3. If specific committees have specific needs for cups, etc, perhaps they should budget for them
Food And Beverage committee: Member-run Potlucks should ask for people to bring the necessary consumables. If we want to sponsor such a committee ala how the Maker Fellowship fund *used* to be run, cool, but I suspect it won't prosper.
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[6/16/2019 12:34 PM] agr0090
Cool but unrealistic idea, have a TV and camera next to work tables, and camera uses ai to say if table is clean or not clean, ala hotdog / not a hotdog image recognition, tv just shows feed from camera with table status
[6/16/2019 12:35 PM] agr0090
Unrealistic just because it won't happen, but it could work
[6/16/2019 12:43 PM] canibalcrab
Re: treasurer report.
We should probably reevaluate our 12k tool proposal into something more workable in the short term. Or piece it out into a multi month plan
[6/16/2019 12:45 PM] agr0090
So I shouldn't request 1500 for more roboreels at this board meeting?
[6/16/2019 12:50 PM] canibalcrab
I'd imagine robo reels in particular would draw some ire
[6/16/2019 12:54 PM] nullinterface
dear lord. not roboreels.
[6/16/2019 12:54 PM] nullinterface
clutched spring reels seem to solve that problem at a lesser cost
[6/16/2019 12:54 PM] canibalcrab
They were nice while they worked
[6/16/2019 12:54 PM] nullinterface
tool proposal should be scaled back to equipping 102 flex and re-equipping 104 workshop
[6/16/2019 12:55 PM] nullinterface
102 workshop will likely have to wait
[6/16/2019 12:55 PM] canibalcrab
Yeah
[6/16/2019 12:55 PM] canibalcrab
Might even cut down a bit on new 102 flex and see what we can live with on 104 workshop side
[6/16/2019 12:57 PM] nullinterface
102 flex power tools will amount to donors from 104; the purchase for 104 be replacing whatever goes to 102
[6/16/2019 12:58 PM] nullinterface
102 seems to mostly need drills and a set of hand tools / screw bits / perhaps drill bits
[6/16/2019 1:01 PM] agr0090
Can you link to some clutched spring reels? I'm guessing that means slow return vs standard cheap reel which would ~50 instead of 300
[6/16/2019 1:02 PM] agr0090
Would like to get something soon, the number of coords including air that are on the floor always as a tripping hazard is concerning
[6/16/2019 1:27 PM] kenpurcell
We are a Makerspace so tools are extremely important. What we have is pretty thin so replacements are necessary. Any reduction in *todays* dollars would be helpful.
[6/16/2019 1:28 PM] canibalcrab
I think a plan to replace over a few months would be helpful
[6/16/2019 1:29 PM] canibalcrab
But we also don't have any documentation on when tools die for us so we don't know what we will need over time
[6/16/2019 1:32 PM] nullinterface
there have been complaints about the situation in the 102 flex area, so that probably needs to be the focus for hand tools; the donors from 104 workshop should be the focus for power tools
[6/16/2019 1:36 PM] agr0090
I don't see how spreading same cost over 2 or 3 months vs buying today matters at all for this level of spending, we have plenty of cash balance* so you would just be optimizing for this months p&l statement (*assuming committees dont suddenly spend their balances)
[6/16/2019 1:52 PM] nullinterface
revenue situation could change in a few months when we finally get around to opening up 104 workshop
[6/16/2019 1:52 PM] nullinterface
102 flex seems to be the area of need
[6/16/2019 3:38 PM] kenpurcell
Yes $12, 000 should not be so critical but we do have $$$ in electrical still to do.
[6/16/2019 3:39 PM] canibalcrab
Spreading it out over a few months means other committees are able to use some of the limited funds as well
[6/16/2019 3:40 PM] agr0090
Most committees have an excess balance from all the honorarium money and won't need any general fund allocations for awhile
[6/16/2019 3:40 PM] canibalcrab
But some still do
[6/16/2019 3:41 PM] agr0090
Big question is what we expect electrical and expansion costs to be the rest of the year, 100k?
[6/16/2019 4:31 PM] canibalcrab
I think they were talking 60k but 100k isn't a bad idea to plan for
[6/16/2019 5:14 PM] hon1nbo
Having repaired the robowheels, multiple times, it was usually remotes. I say we try embedding the remotes in something stronger or not on the hose itself and see if they will work better. We still have a handful of extras to try this with that haven't even been opened yet
[6/16/2019 5:42 PM] hon1nbo
@pearce are there plans for the old vector / science space along the wall already? I noticed there is enough room it could fit the sheet metal tools and still with comfortably with the tables. I'm wondering if we could arrange to do at least a temporary homing so we can facilitate some cleanup and for classes.
It would be purely at logistics' discretion to out them back, but I think we could benefit from the less heavy working members being able to use them comfortably near a productive table, and take the time to clean up and change some of the metal shop
[6/16/2019 5:43 PM] hon1nbo
One of which is the railing over the sheet metal tools. We need to rework the curtains and we may try to make better hanging rods or hooks from the drop
[6/16/2019 5:43 PM] canibalcrab
We were going to put more project storage up but couldn't get a box truck last Sunday to move the racks from the storage units
[6/16/2019 5:43 PM] canibalcrab
All PO cards were full
[6/16/2019 5:43 PM] hon1nbo
Alrighty then
[6/16/2019 5:44 PM] hon1nbo
The pallet racks in 102 too tall to use one or two of them and see how they work?
[6/16/2019 5:44 PM] agr0090
I vote move the sheet metal tools there right now, good idea
[6/16/2019 5:44 PM] canibalcrab
Too tall as far as I know
[6/16/2019 5:44 PM] hon1nbo
Thought they might be, wasn't sure if they were measured
[6/16/2019 5:45 PM] canibalcrab
It's long enough that we could probably put the sheet metal tools in with the racks
[6/16/2019 5:45 PM] agr0090
(it's not a vote and I have no say, but I think it's a good idea)
[6/16/2019 5:45 PM] canibalcrab
How long do you think it would be for @hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium
[6/16/2019 5:47 PM] hon1nbo
I'd like to clean, test some tool layouts, and get new curtains in. The first two can be done soon or postponed at any time. I need to get the lift up and see how our rods are tied in to determine the curtains.
It may end up being a "take measurements / photos now, then move tools back if it takes too long"
[6/16/2019 5:48 PM] hon1nbo
I wouldnt allow anything immovable to take they're place so they could go back any time
[6/16/2019 5:50 PM] canibalcrab
Doesn't seem unreasonable. I don't know what's currently there that you might have to move
[6/16/2019 5:50 PM] canibalcrab
People seem to have taken the space over with leaning crap storage
[6/16/2019 6:28 PM] judykriehn3727
Fyi- brad Simms has dibs on the tan uprights in the storage warehouse for the future blacksmith space.
[6/16/2019 6:30 PM] judykriehn3727
The uprights in 102 warehouse are 14 feet tall. Green uprights are 48” wide, blue are 36” wide.
[6/16/2019 6:33 PM] judykriehn3727
The uprights in storage have been cutting torched down to 8’ tall. There are 2 or 4 blue cut down in the storage unit. Rest were the tan ones Brad wants. And seeing as he got them donated, it’s only fair...
(I was focused on measurements rather than inventorying quantities)
[6/16/2019 6:34 PM] judykriehn3727
I was kind of surprised how few of the cross-members there were in storage. (Orange)
[6/16/2019 6:36 PM] judykriehn3727
Jeff Ray stated at the infamous meeting that the plan (expansion, I suppose) was to have the lowest “shelf” of the racks in the 102 warehouse to be worktable, then committee storage above that.
[6/16/2019 6:41 PM] judykriehn3727
As far as the space where vector and science were, that was supposed to become a “staging” area for committees preparing to move. I would talk to James and the new expansion chair to clarify what’s permissible.
[6/16/2019 6:41 PM] agr0090
I would just move things and see what happens
[6/16/2019 6:41 PM] judykriehn3727
For what it’s worth, -I- think it’s a great idea.
[6/16/2019 7:07 PM] hon1nbo
the stuff there is on a pallet or on the tables when I checked just shortly ago
[6/16/2019 7:23 PM] canibalcrab
Pallet might belong to Kane
[6/16/2019 7:24 PM] canibalcrab
Can be moved under a table
[6/17/2019 4:54 PM] canibalcrab
Shocker. It's still full.
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[6/17/2019 4:57 PM] yashsedai
is that new shit ?
[6/17/2019 5:00 PM] canibalcrab
From 6/9
[6/17/2019 5:00 PM] yashsedai
ah
[6/17/2019 6:16 PM] merissa4308
Logistics stocks coffee sweeteners? https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/out-of-sweet-low-6-17-2019/57811
[6/17/2019 6:16 PM] merissa4308
That's better than my employer does
[6/17/2019 6:22 PM] merissa4308
Ok 👍 that one just surprised me since never seen it on a restocking list I don't think
[6/17/2019 7:00 PM] canibalcrab
6/17 stuff stored on tables
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[6/17/2019 7:00 PM] canibalcrab
Pics to find out if it moves
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[6/17/2019 7:02 PM] canibalcrab
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium these belong to metal shop?
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[6/17/2019 7:22 PM] hon1nbo
not that I'm aware of. Due to Joe King taking the engine hoist from the space I couldn't move the other stuff solo, and the person there with me had flip flops so no lifting.
[6/17/2019 7:22 PM] hon1nbo
so only the slip roller was brought over there. I should be by later tomorrow
[6/17/2019 7:22 PM] hon1nbo
**later today or tomorrow
[6/17/2019 7:23 PM] canibalcrab
Just cleaned it up a bit
[6/17/2019 7:32 PM] lavarocks.
Is that a giant pasta roller
[6/17/2019 7:33 PM] canibalcrab
For giants
[6/17/2019 7:33 PM] lavarocks.
Fi fi fo fum, that guy
[6/17/2019 7:33 PM] canibalcrab
Sheet metal roller. Metal shop is using the space for some tool storage while they rework
[6/17/2019 7:34 PM] lavarocks.
💇‍♀️
[6/17/2019 7:35 PM] lavarocks.
Uh, why did it gender my haircut
[6/17/2019 7:44 PM] aceat64
Emojis are do that sometimes depending on platform, are you on an iPhone?
[6/17/2019 8:38 PM] lavarocks.
Android
[6/17/2019 8:59 PM] nullinterface
the skin tone additions some platforms have introduced to the generic *jaundiced yellow* emoticons confuse
[6/18/2019 1:17 AM] hon1nbo
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[6/18/2019 1:17 AM] hon1nbo
Powder coated, anchored, and filled with concrete
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[6/18/2019 1:46 AM] aceat64
Should we start a pool for when someone will somehow fit a car between them?
[6/18/2019 3:08 AM] canibalcrab
I was just thinking about who had a smart car
[6/18/2019 7:22 AM] nullinterface
dedicated motorcycle parking
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[6/18/2019 8:08 AM] nullinterface
but it's only a matter of time until someone tries to park there
[6/18/2019 8:09 AM] nullinterface
third bollard would greatly reduce the odds, but that's not my time and effort
[6/18/2019 8:21 AM] judykriehn3727
So what encourages dumpster man to leave the dumpster where you want it?
[6/18/2019 8:21 AM] draco_the_drake
Don't worry the dumpster man will jam the dumpster between the polls
[6/18/2019 8:22 AM] aceat64
Us bitching at the company
[6/18/2019 8:22 AM] andrew5152
my experience says : absolutely nothing. the drivers appear to _intentionally_ move your dumpster to _anywhere other than the designated location_
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[6/18/2019 8:29 AM] nullinterface
it's simpler to pick it up, dump, then put it back in the same spot
[6/18/2019 8:29 AM] nullinterface
unless they circle the block while performing the dump then all bets are off
[6/18/2019 8:29 AM] andrew5152
rofl
[6/18/2019 8:29 AM] andrew5152
you'd think
[6/18/2019 8:29 AM] andrew5152
but that isn't what they do...
[6/18/2019 8:29 AM] andrew5152
at home, at my neighbors, nor at any commercial site I've witnessed...
[6/18/2019 8:30 AM] nullinterface
then again in the interest of saving time, I can see some bits of maneuvering during the pickup and dropoff moments
[6/18/2019 8:31 AM] nullinterface
thus drifting in whatever the average of the arrival and departure vectors end up being is something I can imagine
[6/18/2019 8:31 AM] andrew5152
honestly, at the very least, I think the arms articulate to some extent to allow for various off-kilter necessities, and they don't auto-return (or the drivers are poorly educated on using their equipment and do not use this feature)
[6/18/2019 8:33 AM] nullinterface
there's *a lot* of slop in the engagement from what I've seen
[6/18/2019 8:34 AM] nullinterface
so even if the truck remains stationary during the cycle, there's plenty of opportunity for the thing to move around as the *soothing* metal-on-metal sound of the dump process demonstrates
[6/18/2019 8:38 AM] nullinterface
I'm gonna spitball and say the approach angle is +/- 10° off center
[6/18/2019 10:44 AM] stansimmons2031
I've got them on camera using their forks to move the dumpster around after lifting and setting it back down... I don't get it.
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[6/18/2019 10:54 AM] kenpurcell
I saw them dump the one by the ramp yesterday. They seemed to love dropping and banging it around. ??!
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[6/18/2019 10:56 AM] andrew5152
On my generous days, I assume something is going on to which I'm not privvy. On my less generous days, I think they're intentionally undermining every effort to keep the dumpsters neat and clean (as much as dumpsters CAN be).
[6/18/2019 11:18 AM] nullinterface
assuming some sort of rational goal, making it easier to get to?
[6/18/2019 11:19 AM] nullinterface
perhaps they rattle it around to loosen the contents
[6/18/2019 11:21 AM] judykriehn3727
Unrelated, but a few years back, someone in Austin choreographed a ballet of sorts involving Austin Sanitation Dept vehicles.
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[6/18/2019 11:25 AM] nullinterface
smashing
[6/18/2019 11:26 AM] andrew5152
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fgpGkErRCU ?
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[6/18/2019 11:30 AM] andrew5152
wonder how many they've sold...
[6/18/2019 12:02 PM] yashsedai
trashdancemovie to the trash?
[6/18/2019 2:12 PM] nullinterface
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[6/18/2019 3:15 PM] yashsedai
MMMM
[6/18/2019 3:15 PM] yashsedai
TRASH
[6/18/2019 3:15 PM] yashsedai
OM NOM NOM
[6/18/2019 6:23 PM] canibalcrab
@AGr we noticed some of the hardboard tops are bubbling up, probably from how they were screwed down
[6/18/2019 6:33 PM] agr0090
Ah, might have to take screws out and just glue down one edge, probably expanding from humidity
[6/18/2019 6:34 PM] agr0090
Or just take two screws out, they are painted over t10 torx
[6/19/2019 2:38 PM] canibalcrab
What committee does this belong to
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[6/19/2019 2:39 PM] mell.jpg
Is there a logistics meeting coming up?
[6/19/2019 3:06 PM] lavarocks.
Fencing committee
[6/19/2019 3:08 PM] andrew5152
Curses! Foiled again!
[6/19/2019 3:22 PM] lavarocks.
Look! They left a clue on the ground. Maybe it was old man McManon.
[6/19/2019 5:33 PM] jestersforge7494
Good one Shaggy
[6/19/2019 5:55 PM] judykriehn3727
Mell: report I got is that logistics is Friday evening. Conveniently blocking my chance to attend resin sig.
[6/19/2019 6:32 PM] michaelb5250
I don't see one on the calendar for Friday, I do see the Resin SIG though
[6/19/2019 6:34 PM] canibalcrab
It's not on calendar yet. Been dealing with hazmat
[6/19/2019 6:34 PM] canibalcrab
We could do Thursday again
[6/19/2019 6:35 PM] canibalcrab
If someone wants to put one on for 730 tomorrow
[6/19/2019 6:35 PM] canibalcrab
Be explicit that we will only be discussing the items for logistics on the bod agenda
[6/19/2019 6:36 PM] canibalcrab
I'd like to allow more notice for meetings. A follow up meeting will be next week
[6/19/2019 6:37 PM] canibalcrab
Thursday or Friday. Whatever day isn't the chair meeting
[6/19/2019 6:39 PM] canibalcrab
Friday
[6/19/2019 6:41 PM] canibalcrab
Please set for Friday. Final answer
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[6/19/2019 9:27 PM] lavarocks.
Everyone come to the resin sig! I hear those guys are cool.
[6/20/2019 1:35 AM] hon1nbo
I've requested a hazmat emoji after today; Pearce has said he will deliver. We must shame him publicly if he fails to deliver
[6/20/2019 1:37 AM] canibalcrab
Damn your accountability
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[6/20/2019 7:27 AM] nullinterface
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[6/20/2019 7:45 AM] axeonos
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[6/20/2019 2:14 PM] stansimmons2031
Out of paper towels again.
[6/20/2019 2:15 PM] stansimmons2031
@pearce
[6/20/2019 2:16 PM] mell.jpg
@pearce I can make a Costco run for some paper towels before I come to the space tonight. And submit for reimbursement. Just lmk.
[6/20/2019 2:27 PM] stansimmons2031
Please get as many cases as will fit in your car of the Kirkland brand paper towels. I usually got 5 cases to last 2-3 weeks
[6/20/2019 2:32 PM] michaelb5250
@StanSimmons do you have your price list that you put up on Google docs? I can't find the link
[6/20/2019 2:45 PM] stansimmons2031
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NC6S_ellZ3gdsDOnKSIel6jeTlJhKhnh6pMfwii109o/edit?usp=sharing
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Costco Pricing
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product,SKU,Online,In Store
Dixie 12 oz Paper Bowl, 175-count,1115,10.29
Dixie To Go 8 oz Insulated Cup, 160-count,783829,12.59,11.99
Dixie Ultra 20 oz Paper Bowl, 135-count,296917,11.99,10.79
Dixie Ultra 8 1/2 in Paper Plate, 285-count,1111166,19.29,18.49
Greenmade 2...
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[6/20/2019 2:46 PM] stansimmons2031
Kirkland Signature Create-a-Size Paper Towel, 2-Ply, 160 sheets, 12 rolls SKU 512599 $16.49 case
[6/20/2019 3:15 PM] michaelb5250
Costco does 2 day delivery, no fee for orders over $75. Amazon also has paper towels for the same price/sheet, two day delivery and their subscription service/button if we wanted to go that route.
[6/20/2019 3:17 PM] michaelb5250
What I'm saying is we shouldn't be dependent on anyone making runs to the store for these common supplies.
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[6/20/2019 3:17 PM] stansimmons2031
Costco charges $2.20 more for delivered case
[6/20/2019 3:17 PM] canibalcrab
Stock will be replinished tonight
[6/20/2019 3:18 PM] canibalcrab
@michaelb we can talk options in the meeting. I'll be there tonight as well.
[6/20/2019 3:18 PM] canibalcrab
We can offset costs on the online prices by not buying popcorn and wet wipes
[6/20/2019 3:18 PM] stansimmons2031
@michaelb Pearce has forbidden me from purchasing anything for Logistics....
[6/20/2019 3:19 PM] michaelb5250
Yes he did. Stop playing the pity card about it.
[6/20/2019 3:19 PM] canibalcrab
You are correct
[6/20/2019 3:19 PM] stansimmons2031
Just stating a fact. People keep asking me for stuff. I'm not allowed to get it. Simple fact.
[6/20/2019 3:20 PM] canibalcrab
You can tell them that and defer them to logistics
[6/20/2019 3:20 PM] stansimmons2031
I have been.... and yet stock keeps running out.
[6/20/2019 3:43 PM] stansimmons2031
So when is the next Logistics meeting? there doesn't appear to be one on the calendar
[6/20/2019 3:43 PM] canibalcrab
itll be next week
[6/20/2019 3:43 PM] canibalcrab
and one to discuss the tool wall tomorrow. thought someone submitted one for friday
[6/20/2019 3:44 PM] stansimmons2031
Not under Logistics or Committee Meeting categories
[6/20/2019 3:45 PM] canibalcrab
k, i will do one when i get to my next location
[6/20/2019 4:03 PM] merissa4308
@pearce want me to add it to the calendar? I know you're super busy
[6/20/2019 4:09 PM] canibalcrab
Yes please, tomorrow 730 in whatever room is available, I guess assume 15-20 people.
Please be explicit that we are only talking about the tool wall, and the two items where people are asking the board to take logistics floorspace
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[6/20/2019 4:31 PM] merissa4308
I don't know room sizes well these days... North lobby classroom best option to try?
[6/20/2019 4:32 PM] agr0090
that was used last logistics meeting, its a good size
[6/20/2019 4:33 PM] merissa4308
Event created, north lobby classroom, 7:30-8:30 Friday 👍
[6/20/2019 4:37 PM] merissa4308
Aaaack. Ok I messed up on time and date and will edit. Calendar is annoying to use on mobile
[6/20/2019 4:39 PM] merissa4308
Will it not let you create an event less than two days before the start?
[6/20/2019 4:40 PM] stephenie.
Right. Need 2 days+.
[6/20/2019 4:41 PM] canibalcrab
Can ping calendar admins
[6/20/2019 4:41 PM] merissa4308
Arghhh... Talking with Mell to find a fix
[6/20/2019 4:43 PM] lavarocks.
I can approve it
[6/20/2019 4:43 PM] lavarocks.
If it is set up as an event
[6/20/2019 4:43 PM] lavarocks.
Maybe
[6/20/2019 4:44 PM] merissa4308
I just cancelled the messed up one 😖
[6/20/2019 4:44 PM] merissa4308
Will try again
[6/20/2019 4:45 PM] merissa4308
Earliest date it will let me select is Saturday, @Lavarocks if I create the event for then could you edit it to be on Friday?
[6/20/2019 4:46 PM] stansimmons2031
i set the minimum booking to 0 days. you should be able to create the event now
[6/20/2019 4:46 PM] merissa4308
Yay! Thank you!!
[6/20/2019 4:52 PM] merissa4308
Ok submitted again, hopefully with the right date this time 😁 thanks @StanSimmons for finding a work around for me!
[6/20/2019 5:01 PM] stansimmons2031
Friday 7:30 https://calendar.dallasmakerspace.org/events/view/13095
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[6/20/2019 5:09 PM] canibalcrab
Thanks to everyone for getting this out together last minute
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[6/20/2019 6:51 PM] mell.jpg
@pearce How dire is the paper towel situation? Traffic is a nightmare and puts me at DMS a little late to that meeting. I can for sure go tomorrow and bring before logistics meeting.
[6/20/2019 6:53 PM] mell.jpg
I wish they were open late
[6/20/2019 6:54 PM] stansimmons2031
We are also out of red solo cups and insulated paper coffee cups.
[6/20/2019 7:01 PM] canibalcrab
There's a bag of insulated cups in the 102 warehouse for some reason
[6/20/2019 7:06 PM] lavarocks.
Can we do better keeping things in stock?
[6/20/2019 7:08 PM] canibalcrab
Working on it
[6/20/2019 7:08 PM] canibalcrab
We should work on consumption as well
[6/20/2019 7:12 PM] stansimmons2031
Thay was probably leftover from blacksmithing event last week
[6/21/2019 7:31 PM] canibalcrab
and i forgot my mic
[6/21/2019 7:31 PM] canibalcrab
shit
[6/21/2019 7:37 PM] joshw0263
maybe digital media can help
[6/21/2019 7:47 PM] canibalcrab
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Ryobi tool wall
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Ryobi tool,sawzall,P517,$100,4,$400.00
Ryobi tool,jigsaw,P524,$120,4,$480.00
Ryobi tool,drill,P208,$35,8,$280.00
Ryobi tool,impact driver,P238,$37,4,$148.00
Ryobi tool,angle grinder,P423,$100,4,$400.00
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[6/21/2019 8:07 PM] hon1nbo
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-900292?seid=srese1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI54LQo_P74gIVwsDICh2gbA_mEAQYASABEgK93fD_BwE
[6/22/2019 7:54 PM] michaelb5250
What's the result of the tool walls request?
[6/22/2019 7:56 PM] merissa4308
2K allocation... Or maybe 2.5K
[6/22/2019 7:58 PM] canibalcrab
we get 2k to restock 104 tools. and buy cleaning and ppe. then split those items between 102 north and 104
[6/22/2019 8:03 PM] doug.emes
Awesome. Could have been $0. Thank yall for your dedicated efforts
[6/22/2019 8:46 PM] agr0090
Or we could restock 104 and put nothing in 102 for now, would be much easier
[6/22/2019 8:58 PM] canibalcrab
I think it will be easy enough to work out for both
[6/22/2019 8:59 PM] judykriehn3727
what is ppe, anyway?
[6/22/2019 9:01 PM] agr0090
Safety equipment
[6/22/2019 9:02 PM] agr0090
Personal protection equipment
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[6/22/2019 9:02 PM] agr0090
Like safety glasses, hearing protection, etc
[6/22/2019 9:13 PM] agr0090
Another option is getting another committee to donate their funds, would creative arts be interested in sponsoring the new tool wall?
[6/22/2019 9:13 PM] agr0090
Or laser
[6/22/2019 9:59 PM] doug.emes
C.a. is "birthing" heavily for sewing sig, resin sig. The $$ listed in it are mostly spoken for
[6/22/2019 10:34 PM] axeonos
The donation shelf was moved to bay doors correct? Bringing a lot of good stuffs for the freebee shelf.
[6/22/2019 10:43 PM] canibalcrab
Yes
[6/22/2019 10:48 PM] axeonos
Sweet. Just cleaned out a dead hoarders house. Bringing good shit. Be there soon
[6/22/2019 11:38 PM] michaelb5250
3 people on talk have offered to donate for tools... As much as I think it's stupid that we'd have to collect additional money to pay for tools maybe we could take donations and put names on the tool wall. At least that way we could have a well stocked wall on both sides
[6/23/2019 12:05 AM] agr0090
Could go with field of dreams option, use money to build full size tool wall in flex area, but leave it blank, waiting on future allocation to put tools on it
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[6/23/2019 12:10 AM] judykriehn3727
(stares at @AGr with stink eye)
[6/23/2019 12:13 AM] axeonos
If you build it, they will complain
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[6/23/2019 8:33 AM] kenpurcell
We understand how important tools are to DMS. They were neglected so long we are working from a deficit. We will commit money to getting back to good shape. The original request was about 10% of our free cash. Pearce did a great job making the case and whittling the amount down to what we can afford today. Once we get past the $50k electric work we can be more flexible.
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[6/23/2019 11:53 AM] alerho
Can we set up a wish list/registry with items. People can just pick from that and have it shipped to the space.
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[6/23/2019 11:54 AM] alerho
Prevents duplicate donations. Not having to track money. (No dontation slip to the user though).
[6/23/2019 11:54 AM] hon1nbo
getting a refund on the tables might help cover tool costs 🤷
[6/23/2019 11:55 AM] stephenie.
send back the black and yellow tubs? That's almost $3K.
[6/23/2019 11:56 AM] hon1nbo
those at least are serving a long term purpose. The broken table out back, and the one that isn't even built, logistics paid for
[6/23/2019 11:56 AM] hon1nbo
at least those *can* serve a long term purpose
[6/23/2019 11:57 AM] stephenie.
if they can't put them to use now in the short term, return them. Use the money for the here and now (tools). Can reorder once the storage plan is settled - that looks too far down the road.
[6/23/2019 11:58 AM] hon1nbo
true
[6/23/2019 11:59 AM] stephenie.
and returning them would free up floorspace
[6/23/2019 12:03 PM] canibalcrab
Get a refund on what tables? The wood ones?
[6/23/2019 12:03 PM] canibalcrab
Oh that light up one
[6/23/2019 12:05 PM] michaelb5250
Did we buy that? I thought it was someone's eagle scout thing?
[6/23/2019 12:10 PM] lavarocks.
That table was built by Lance's son
[6/23/2019 12:10 PM] canibalcrab
And logistics paid for it
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[6/23/2019 12:11 PM] michaelb5250
I'm not sure how we could ask for a refund on something like that...
[6/23/2019 12:12 PM] canibalcrab
More of a reimbursement because he failed to complete the job
[6/23/2019 12:13 PM] canibalcrab
But I don't see us being able to do that either
[6/23/2019 12:13 PM] canibalcrab
I can certainly say it probably burned us on any future eagle scout projects
[6/23/2019 12:13 PM] michaelb5250
I agree there
[6/23/2019 12:15 PM] michaelb5250
But asking for money back on that is a difficult thing to do. I think we're better off just avoiding such ambitious projects in the future
[6/23/2019 12:17 PM] michaelb5250
For the tool wall, let's set up a spreadsheet of what we want, and people can mark off when they buy it, we'll keep track of when it shows up. Use some of the board money to build a tool wall and stock it with the donated tools.
[6/23/2019 12:17 PM] michaelb5250
Each tool has a spot on the wall and we can include the donation attribution on the label
[6/23/2019 12:18 PM] canibalcrab
alex was recommending something like an amazon wishlist that auto tags an item
[6/23/2019 12:19 PM] canibalcrab
do you want to make a live doc we can post these ideas to for the meeting?
[6/23/2019 12:19 PM] michaelb5250
Yeah, I was thinking slightly more open ended, like, buy an x or more piece screwdriver set, no harbor freight
[6/23/2019 12:19 PM] michaelb5250
But we can be specific too
[6/23/2019 12:20 PM] michaelb5250
I can do it later tonight. Also won't be at the meeting (Wednesday iirc?)
[6/23/2019 12:38 PM] roomatologist
Tuesday is the logistics meeting
[6/23/2019 12:39 PM] roomatologist
I like the idea of an Amazon wishlist because we have now control over what gets purchased and people won't be sending random things we don't need/ other brands
[6/23/2019 12:46 PM] agr0090
I find the idea of asking for donations to work around a deliberate resource allocation decision offensive. If organization doesn't want to invest in tools then let's follow through with that and just not invest in logistics supplied tools. Push all tooling to committees and then the tool wall isn't logistics concern
[6/23/2019 12:47 PM] agr0090
I'm in favor of building an empty tool wall out of spite and then just fill it with print outs of calendar instead of tools
[6/23/2019 12:52 PM] mell.jpg
I think it's less that organization doesn't want to invest and more that we can't right now.
[6/23/2019 12:54 PM] kenpurcell
It's not that we didn't want new tools and the wall. It more that we only have about $55k of free cash. So spending 20% for tools was not in the greater best interest for all. We know tools are important. There is about $200k of expansion left. We have to get that done so we can attrack new members again.
[6/23/2019 12:56 PM] canibalcrab
As of last night logistics doesn't have it's own funds, we have been trusted to be able to pull from the general fund.
[6/23/2019 12:57 PM] canibalcrab
So any donations would get out there with a logistics earmark
[6/23/2019 12:58 PM] canibalcrab
I don't think anyone is saying we should replace the funding with donations, but more that people realize EVERYONE uses the Ryobi tools
[6/23/2019 12:59 PM] canibalcrab
So donating if helpful to the space as a whole while we are tight on funds
[6/23/2019 12:59 PM] roomatologist
We're just having to be creative right now
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[6/23/2019 1:02 PM] kenpurcell
The $4k cleanup particularly hurt. That would heve been used for tools/materials
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[6/23/2019 1:03 PM] aceat64
I think we should return the bins, easy $3k for tools
[6/23/2019 1:03 PM] aceat64
We can always get more bins later
[6/23/2019 1:05 PM] roomatologist
I think the question is if we can return them
[6/23/2019 1:10 PM] michaelb5250
Just stop buying utensils and most paper goods for a few months and buy the tools instead.
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[6/23/2019 1:12 PM] stephenie.
What @michaelb said. No one will give "no forks or paper plates in the galley" as a reason for quitting. They will say "tools are broken or missing. I can't make my project."
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[6/23/2019 1:13 PM] aceat64
I'm morally opposed to disposable utensils anyway
[6/23/2019 1:13 PM] stephenie.
Maybe trash won't overflow in galley on the weekends?
[6/23/2019 1:14 PM] canibalcrab
After wasteland weekend I learned how easy it is to just have your own cup and utensils all the time
[6/23/2019 1:15 PM] aceat64
Nicole and I got metal utensils that we try to take everywhere so we don't have to trash disposable ones all the time
[6/23/2019 1:15 PM] aceat64
Plus, real knife now
[6/23/2019 2:45 PM] stansimmons2031
If we setup personal storage for just 30 of the black and yellow tubs for $100/yr, then that would pay for all 300 of them, and would be an ongoing revenue stream. There is certainly enough interest for larger format personal storage to cover 100 of them, so this could easily be a positive revenue situation.
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[6/23/2019 2:50 PM] lavarocks.
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[6/23/2019 2:51 PM] lavarocks.
Would logistics be interested on any of these type units for $25 each?
[6/23/2019 2:51 PM] lavarocks.
Store I used to groom for is closing dow
[6/23/2019 3:42 PM] hon1nbo
Is that pegboard on the back of it?
[6/23/2019 3:46 PM] judykriehn3727
@pearce !!!
[6/23/2019 3:47 PM] judykriehn3727
Pegboard appears to be the wall
[6/23/2019 3:48 PM] canibalcrab
We could likely use them but I doubt the pegboard is part of them
[6/23/2019 3:48 PM] lavarocks.
Pegboard is attached to half the back
[6/23/2019 3:48 PM] lavarocks.
They have 19 of the u its and are closing in two weeks
[6/23/2019 3:49 PM] lavarocks.
I can take better pics to.orrow
[6/23/2019 3:49 PM] lavarocks.
Tomorrow
[6/23/2019 3:49 PM] canibalcrab
Can I get back to you on this tomorrow? Going to go afk for dads birthday today
[6/23/2019 3:49 PM] lavarocks.
Absolutely
[6/23/2019 3:49 PM] canibalcrab
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[6/23/2019 5:58 PM] judykriehn3727
What’s the store?
[6/23/2019 6:39 PM] lavarocks.
Petland in plano
[6/23/2019 6:39 PM] lavarocks.
Off Custer and independence
[6/23/2019 7:08 PM] judykriehn3727
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[6/24/2019 12:18 PM] nullinterface
as was mentioned during the BoD meeting - odds are with father's day that some have upgraded to better than ONE+ thus there's potential to snag some compatible power tools
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[6/24/2019 3:08 PM] adam1334
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[6/24/2019 3:08 PM] adam1334
Did the board choose to not reimburse Brandon or was this handled another way?
[6/24/2019 3:10 PM] aceat64
It was sorted, he was reimbursed
[6/24/2019 3:13 PM] merissa4308
Yes Pearce was able to confirm the reimbursement was going through, so the agenda item was no longer needed
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[6/24/2019 3:40 PM] kenpurcell
Yes his check was processed a few days before the BoD meeting. I'm never happy when a member has more than $1k "on loan" to DMS. Been in that spot myself.
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[6/24/2019 4:37 PM] stansimmons2031
I just loaded the last ream of copy paper into the printer. Please purchase more paper.
[6/24/2019 4:38 PM] canibalcrab
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[6/24/2019 5:29 PM] judykriehn3727
@pearce. Went by the Petland to measure the shelving that Lara told us about. Sadly, I kinda think they aren’t deep enough for the bumblebee bins. They are 76” tall with wheels on the bottom, 48” wide and 24” deep. The bins are 30” long,, just over 20” wide and 15” tall. deep. The pegboard backing is 48” from top of rack down. By comparison, The dog food racks woulda been PERFECT for bin racking, but the manager said they were already sold. That said, if there were another use for the wheeled racks, she had about 7 in use on the floor, and said she had more above the dog food racking.
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[6/25/2019 9:06 AM] kenpurcell
Thank you @judy Kriehn ! You are a deeply involved maker and thank you for your time to look and see if these would benefit DMS.
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[6/25/2019 7:09 PM] canibalcrab
We (I) forgot to put the meeting on the calendar after scheduling it at the meeting so we will have to move it
[6/25/2019 7:10 PM] canibalcrab
I'm going to clean the donation shelf
[6/25/2019 7:22 PM] michaelb5250
So reschedule? Thursday, or wait till next week?
[6/25/2019 7:46 PM] canibalcrab
I'd have to see what's open
[6/25/2019 7:47 PM] canibalcrab
Art and I cleaned off the shelf. Shawn Christianson and art will be working to e-cycle the PCs and electronics left over
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[6/25/2019 7:54 PM] yashsedai
thank you so much!
[6/25/2019 8:11 PM] canibalcrab
so per the last board meeting logistics has $1150 to spend per month
[6/25/2019 8:12 PM] agr0090
How tall of a paper towel pyramid can you build with 1150?
[6/25/2019 8:26 PM] michaelb5250
11ft 11in, with 21 rolls left over. If you went for a square pryamid.
[6/25/2019 8:30 PM] michaelb5250
Just over 6ft on a side at the base
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[6/26/2019 7:42 AM] nullinterface
@michaelb quick thinking on critical must-know knowledge
[6/26/2019 9:52 PM] agr0090
Is door to workshop supposed to have latch taped over to defeat rfid access?
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[6/26/2019 9:55 PM] agr0090
Also project storage is at 100% utilization
[6/26/2019 9:57 PM] andrew5152
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[6/26/2019 10:44 PM] yashsedai
no, the latch is not supposed to be taped over
[6/26/2019 10:55 PM] lavarocks.
Dagnabbit
[6/26/2019 11:28 PM] stansimmons2031
It is taped over until it gets fixed. It looks like a relay may have died on the controller.
[6/27/2019 4:42 PM] michaelb5250
@StanSimmons who's been working on fixing the door?
[6/27/2019 4:42 PM] michaelb5250
If no one, I can take a look after work today.
[6/27/2019 6:14 PM] canibalcrab
Bert had an interesting idea today
[6/27/2019 6:16 PM] canibalcrab
For consumables like sandpaper, nails, sharpies, etc.
We mirror the parks system, open shelving or racks with the stuff stocked up. A payment kiosk with scanner. Let people use the honor system like parks does.
[6/27/2019 6:17 PM] canibalcrab
In theory it will work better when separate from the work location, we would put it in the kitchen, because you can't just grab it and use it. You have to go to the shelf and buy it
[6/27/2019 6:17 PM] agr0090
Centralize all consumables in one location with one kiosk?
[6/27/2019 6:17 PM] canibalcrab
Pretty much
[6/27/2019 6:17 PM] canibalcrab
Or at least the ones logistics thinks we should stock
[6/27/2019 6:17 PM] canibalcrab
Biggest issue would be barcodes and inventory
[6/27/2019 6:17 PM] agr0090
Sounds like a good idea, do we have an extra square kiosk and someone who knows how to set it up?
[6/27/2019 6:18 PM] canibalcrab
Mr.jimmy is very familiar with the square kiosks and how they can be modded
[6/27/2019 6:18 PM] canibalcrab
The kiosk would be the biggest investment
[6/27/2019 6:19 PM] canibalcrab
The consumables would be priced slightly higher than buying them from a local store, to encourage people to bring in their own supply
[6/27/2019 6:21 PM] canibalcrab
In theory we could allow other committees to also stock it
[6/27/2019 6:27 PM] michaelb5250
We should figure out how much space that'd maybe the back wall of the galley. More if committees want their own stuff in it
[6/27/2019 6:27 PM] michaelb5250
I like the idea though. It might help out a lot. Plus, bolts...
[6/27/2019 6:33 PM] andrew5152
hate the idea. I'm with James Harper
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/woodshops-financial-proposal-for-discussion-here-and-at-the-b-b-meeting-friday/58348/122?u=jast
however, then we see shit like this
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/i-dont-know-if-intentional-but-please-dont-throw-away-perfectly-good-sandpaper/58131
and I think... yeah... let's do it.
also, I think committees/groups are double stocking lots of stuff, and this might help make it abundantly clear "THIS IS STOCKED BY LOGISTICS: YOU DON"T NEED TO STOCK IT TOO". Also, it would maybe help people understand this shyte ain't free. YOUR dues pay for it... Or we all get nickled and dimed for sporks.
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Was scrounging through the trash bins in the woodshop as per tradition and found all this in there. Some perfectly new, almost all perfectly usable. It’s at the sanding station now for re-use. These were in bins far away from the sanding station so I’m not sure they acc...
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[6/27/2019 6:34 PM] canibalcrab
Man I saw the list of stuff woodshop said they stocked and a lot of it was stuff that logistics actually stocked
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[6/27/2019 6:38 PM] andrew5152
I think it makes it hard to get a handle on our {x e.g. pencils} budget when several committees are stocking them...
[6/27/2019 6:39 PM] canibalcrab
If someone's at the space and wants to measure the unused space in the gallery, go for it
[6/27/2019 6:40 PM] canibalcrab
This could also be a replacement for the gift shop
[6/27/2019 6:40 PM] canibalcrab
Or a v1 of the gift shop since it never got past alpha
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[6/27/2019 6:52 PM] michaelb5250
I'll be up there soon and check
[6/27/2019 8:20 PM] judykriehn3727
I think we need to determine where lost & found is going to live and find out if there’s a decision on VCC committee space designation before you try to identify “unused space.”
[6/27/2019 8:21 PM] canibalcrab
yeah, lost and found probably shouldnt be in the front lobby
[6/27/2019 8:21 PM] canibalcrab
common room is more likely
[6/27/2019 8:22 PM] canibalcrab
if someone would like to go through the common room stuff we can do that too
[6/27/2019 8:22 PM] judykriehn3727
Or did you mean “galley” rather than “gallery”
[6/27/2019 8:22 PM] canibalcrab
current galley
[6/27/2019 8:22 PM] canibalcrab
gallery if we can make it part of the "gift shop"
[6/27/2019 8:23 PM] canibalcrab
but i would say that if it was "gift shop" it would only be DMS merch like cups, shirts, utensil sets, etc
[6/27/2019 8:23 PM] canibalcrab
+ the consumables stuff
[6/27/2019 8:57 PM] agr0090
Is there any overhead we pay for square kiosk payment (fixed fee or percentage)? Like would charging someone 50 cents be profitable?
[6/27/2019 9:00 PM] canibalcrab
if i remember correctly we dont pay for "seats" so adding a kiosk wouldnt add to our costs for using square
[6/27/2019 9:01 PM] agr0090
I mean if we tried to do a transaction / sale for 5 cents for a fork what would happen? Is there a min price or percentage that they take off each transaction?
[6/27/2019 9:05 PM] canibalcrab
not sure, @Robert might know but mr.jimmy will for sure
[6/27/2019 9:13 PM] robert22
Square has a $1 minimum charge
[6/27/2019 9:14 PM] robert22
After the charge it’s 2.75 percent fee
[6/27/2019 9:14 PM] robert22
No limit to terminals
[6/27/2019 9:17 PM] agr0090
For things like sharpies, pencils, might have to sell small packs instead of individual for it to make sense
[6/27/2019 9:32 PM] judykriehn3727
Whatever happened to reviewing the Parks contract and seeing if better alternatives existed? I remember Nick S had done a ton of research, turned it over to Kris who said she’d handle it, then.. nothing. I wonder if a vendor could offer other items as well as the food stuff. So we didn’t have to mess with it?
[6/27/2019 9:33 PM] canibalcrab
Other than pricing what's the issue with parks?
[6/27/2019 9:33 PM] canibalcrab
I don't have an office job so I don't know of any other companies that do this stuff
[6/27/2019 9:44 PM] judykriehn3727
At that time there was grousing about freshness and restock frequency.
[6/27/2019 9:45 PM] judykriehn3727
But that was like late October/November-ish
[6/27/2019 9:53 PM] yashsedai
My main complaint is they just half ass stock, nothing that is not solvable
[6/27/2019 9:53 PM] yashsedai
I've written enough planograms in my day that should be a no brainer
[6/27/2019 9:54 PM] yashsedai
If you want some help, I am happy to talk to them with you or help guide you
[6/27/2019 9:54 PM] canibalcrab
I mostly need to know what the complaint is
[6/27/2019 9:57 PM] yashsedai
I'm a consumer of gatorade
[6/27/2019 9:57 PM] yashsedai
they don't fill up the shelf
[6/27/2019 9:57 PM] yashsedai
they substitute products in because the truck was not ordered correctly
[6/27/2019 9:58 PM] yashsedai
They don't stock the large waters in the cooler, they are losing money on that deal
[6/27/2019 9:58 PM] canibalcrab
could we write up a wishlist for them to take back and consider?
[6/27/2019 9:58 PM] yashsedai
sure
[6/27/2019 9:58 PM] yashsedai
if someone could let me know the next time they know parks stocked
[6/27/2019 9:58 PM] yashsedai
i'll drop by and have a look
[6/27/2019 9:58 PM] canibalcrab
or have something nearby for people to write on
[6/27/2019 9:58 PM] yashsedai
i can write up a form
[6/27/2019 9:59 PM] canibalcrab
do that so we can at least have a request to go to them with
[6/27/2019 9:59 PM] yashsedai
i would reach out and find if they can add on products like sundries to the parks pantry
[6/27/2019 9:59 PM] yashsedai
this would get you some of the consumables
[6/27/2019 9:59 PM] canibalcrab
i know they have on demand ice machines (no dirty scoops)
[6/27/2019 10:00 PM] yashsedai
^^
[6/27/2019 10:00 PM] yashsedai
i think our solution there is to just buy the damn dispenser
[6/27/2019 10:00 PM] yashsedai
we already own the maker
[6/27/2019 10:00 PM] yashsedai
no need for scoops with a dispenser
[6/27/2019 10:00 PM] yashsedai
but thats my opinion
[6/27/2019 10:01 PM] yashsedai
its a $3500 dollar problem
[6/27/2019 10:06 PM] yashsedai
also
[6/27/2019 10:06 PM] yashsedai
hatchers is a damn fire hazard now
[6/27/2019 10:08 PM] sewingstuff2561
What did Hatcher’s do to make themselves a fire hazard now?
[6/27/2019 10:10 PM] yashsedai
haha
[6/27/2019 10:11 PM] yashsedai
the large knife target is in there.
[6/27/2019 10:12 PM] canibalcrab
good
[6/27/2019 10:12 PM] canibalcrab
i was about to toss it
[6/27/2019 10:20 PM] sewingstuff2561
WTH why not toss it? Why are they keeping it?
[6/27/2019 10:21 PM] canibalcrab
ThEy NEeD iT foR KNiFe ToSSIng
[6/27/2019 10:22 PM] sewingstuff2561
Why are we tossing knives at a maker building? It’s not survivorspace
[6/27/2019 10:26 PM] stansimmons2031
The BoD has a prospectus from Heartland vending for Parks replacement. I think they have been too busy to worry about a money neutral issue like Parks.
[6/27/2019 10:50 PM] michaelb5250
8'x30" if we pull the free food table out of the galley. Thats plenty of room for now. About 2'x30" is lost in an inaccessible corner
[6/27/2019 10:50 PM] michaelb5250
For consumable sales
[6/27/2019 10:51 PM] canibalcrab
"retail space" thats a pretty good footprint
[6/27/2019 11:07 PM] michaelb5250
Well that was for consumable sales
[6/27/2019 11:07 PM] michaelb5250
There's an extra 2'x30" corner we could use for retail sales.
[6/27/2019 11:08 PM] canibalcrab
oh i just meant from a retail perspective
[6/27/2019 11:08 PM] canibalcrab
merch doesnt need personal space
[6/27/2019 11:16 PM] michaelb5250
I was worried you were talking about space for members to sell things.
[6/27/2019 11:17 PM] canibalcrab
no i dont see that happening unless someone comes up with a good proposal
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[6/27/2019 11:21 PM] stephenie.
Vending related: did I see two soda pop vending machines in 102?
[6/27/2019 11:21 PM] stephenie.
Are those Parks?
[6/27/2019 11:22 PM] canibalcrab
NOPE
[6/27/2019 11:22 PM] canibalcrab
run by a member with a vending machine route
[6/27/2019 11:26 PM] stephenie.
Is that against our Parks contract? How did that get approved? @pearce
[6/27/2019 11:27 PM] agr0090
I assumed they were just sitting around, you should evict them from logistics floorspace
[6/27/2019 11:27 PM] andrew5152
nobody asked permission; nobody has yet had to ask forgiveness...
[6/27/2019 11:30 PM] axeonos
For what it's worth parks refills monday Wednesday and Friday morning usually about 8am. Sometimes 7.
[6/27/2019 11:30 PM] canibalcrab
im sure they would have been told something verbally by expansion
[6/27/2019 11:30 PM] canibalcrab
that no one could verify
[6/27/2019 11:31 PM] michaelb5250
Where do you put something evicted from logistics? If we offsite it I'd be concerned about spoiling something in the heat.
[6/27/2019 11:31 PM] canibalcrab
its sodas though
[6/27/2019 11:32 PM] agr0090
I doubt cans would explode in offsite unit heat
[6/27/2019 11:32 PM] michaelb5250
If one explodes then?
[6/27/2019 11:32 PM] canibalcrab
i cant imagine our storage gets that hot
[6/27/2019 11:32 PM] michaelb5250
Hmm probably best to start with a note on it anyways. Maybe the owner will come forward and take them away
[6/27/2019 11:33 PM] stansimmons2031
Expansion allowed the two vending machines in when the old BoD was talking to Heartland. There is no exclusivity with Parks or Heartland
[6/27/2019 11:33 PM] axeonos
I'm sure someone knows who's vending machine it is. Might help to ask before offsite
[6/27/2019 11:33 PM] stansimmons2031
There is contact info on both of them
[6/27/2019 11:34 PM] canibalcrab
they need to move anyway so the kilns can go in
[6/27/2019 11:34 PM] stansimmons2031
They are on pallets and easily moved
[6/27/2019 11:35 PM] michaelb5250
Not sure anyone would miss them. I didn't even realize they were stocked. They blended into the background of random junk in the warehouse quite well
[6/27/2019 11:35 PM] canibalcrab
a few people use them
[6/27/2019 11:35 PM] stansimmons2031
They were allowed in when Parks was doing a shitty job of keeping Coke product stocked.
[6/27/2019 11:36 PM] stansimmons2031
and they are (slightly) cheaper than Parks
[6/27/2019 11:36 PM] stansimmons2031
!members
[6/27/2019 11:36 PM] dallas-makerspace#4763
There are currently 2160 members.
[6/27/2019 11:41 PM] stansimmons2031
What's the hurry on moving the vending machines? The kiln's can't go in until both power and ventilation are installed... and that may take some time.
[6/27/2019 11:48 PM] canibalcrab
they served their purpose while parks was inaccessible to the people working to get the CoO work done in 102, now that the door is open they should go. we cant keep these verbal agreements forever just because they benefit a single member
[6/27/2019 11:49 PM] stansimmons2031
But what is the hurry?
[6/27/2019 11:50 PM] canibalcrab
:notsure:
[6/27/2019 11:50 PM] agr0090
hurry would be driving up to DMS tonight and moving them
[6/27/2019 11:50 PM] stansimmons2031
Right back at ya.
[6/27/2019 11:51 PM] canibalcrab
i could just copy paste my response
[6/27/2019 11:51 PM] canibalcrab
but ill let you read a few posts up again
[6/27/2019 11:52 PM] stansimmons2031
Still not seeing what has your panties in a bunch...
[6/27/2019 11:53 PM] canibalcrab
cant be in a bunch if im not wearing any
[6/27/2019 11:53 PM] yashsedai
EWWWW
[6/27/2019 11:53 PM] canibalcrab
but still
[6/27/2019 11:53 PM] stansimmons2031
lol commando ftw
[6/27/2019 11:53 PM] canibalcrab
i was just answering the questions. if there was a hurry they would have been moved
[6/27/2019 11:56 PM] stansimmons2031
Did ya'll get paper for the printer?
[6/28/2019 12:11 AM] axeonos
I know we used to have a thread on talk of "Need want and desire" may want to make a new post for it @pearce. Need paper. Want 3 ply tp desire 1000 sq foot of just me space.
[6/28/2019 12:12 AM] stephenie.
I've notified @Cat_Skat that we have another verbal business arrangement with a member.
[6/28/2019 12:14 AM] axeonos
We really should get more of these things in writing
[6/28/2019 12:17 AM] stansimmons2031
It was expected to be in writing with the Heartland deal, but the old BoD, and now the new BoD have more important things on their plates.
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[6/28/2019 12:20 AM] canibalcrab
Shoulda woulda coulda
[6/28/2019 12:20 AM] canibalcrab
Didn't know we were out of paper, can order. 11x17 and 8.5x11?
[6/28/2019 12:21 AM] stansimmons2031
at least 8.5 x 11.
[6/28/2019 12:21 AM] stansimmons2031
I'm pretty sure I mentioned it here a few days ago
[6/28/2019 12:22 AM] stansimmons2031
Last Monday at 4:37pm
[6/28/2019 12:24 AM] stephenie.
@StanSimmons *"It was expected to be in writing with the Heartland deal,..."*
Are you saying the 2 machines belong to Heartland?
[6/28/2019 12:27 AM] stansimmons2031
No. The guy with the coke machines is friends with the Heartland guy, and they have worked together in the past and were talking about doing so here.
[6/28/2019 12:31 AM] stephenie.
Like how would they work together?
[6/28/2019 12:32 AM] stansimmons2031
I haven't read the Heartland proposal. I don't know. Check with the BoD, they have it.
[6/28/2019 12:34 AM] stansimmons2031
Or go look on the machine and call the guy.
[6/28/2019 9:19 AM] kenpurcell
You mean the old BoD?, as I have not seen a proposal. I certainly would read it and consider it as we are with redoing or replacing parks pantry too. But as @StanSimmons said we have lots going on that members are hot on us to get complete. This is a lower priority. If logistics needs to move them around for expansion reasons I support that.
[6/28/2019 9:36 AM] lavarocks.
Will we have cups and forks tonight for the meeting? I know cups have been out for a couple weeks- have you decided to stop stocking those?
[6/28/2019 10:23 AM] stansimmons2031
@Lampy (Ken Purcell) There was a stack of BoD documents given to James, that are likely in the BoD filing cabinet. The red folder is the Heartland proposal.
[6/28/2019 10:30 AM] kenpurcell
Ok, probably overlooked as there is so much other "right now" stuff. thanks.
[6/28/2019 11:40 AM] canibalcrab
@Lavarocks if it's a pot luck I will recommend that someone bring cups and utensils as part of the potluck. It's not an uncommon thing for a potluck to have as an option to sign up for.
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[6/28/2019 12:04 PM] lavarocks.
Yes it is a potluck, but until you announce whether or not you'll be stocking these items I will keep bringing it up.
[6/28/2019 12:04 PM] lavarocks.
It's annoying to get up there and find out changes have been made and not announced.
[6/28/2019 12:07 PM] canibalcrab
Input noted. We haven't decided anything yet and no changes have been made
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[6/28/2019 12:19 PM] merissa4308
Any talk of when the next logistics meeting will be? I can get it on the calendar if needed
[6/28/2019 12:19 PM] merissa4308
Also project storage extension request day?
[6/28/2019 12:24 PM] canibalcrab
Extension requests is July 7, removal is 14th.
[6/28/2019 12:24 PM] canibalcrab
No date for meeting yet
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[6/28/2019 12:26 PM] merissa4308
Want the 7th or 14th on the calendar?
[6/28/2019 12:26 PM] canibalcrab
Sure
[6/28/2019 12:50 PM] merissa4308
Ok I'll get that done today
[6/28/2019 12:52 PM] canibalcrab
:dms:
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[6/28/2019 10:23 PM] merissa4308
Forgot to ask... What time should the storage meeting and offsiting be?
[6/29/2019 12:16 AM] canibalcrab
2 seems to be a good time for people on Sundays
[6/30/2019 11:31 AM] merissa4308
events created, should show up on the calendar soon
[6/30/2019 11:32 AM] canibalcrab
Thank you
[6/30/2019 2:41 PM] stansimmons2031
Events approved, they should be visible now.
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[7/3/2019 4:24 PM] stansimmons2031
I was at Costco today. I could have picked up printer paper and paper towels....
[7/3/2019 4:28 PM] michaelb5250
Hey good time to stock up so you don't have to rely on the DMS supply.
[7/3/2019 4:28 PM] michaelb5250
I've started keeping a roll of paper towels in my car.
[7/3/2019 4:29 PM] canibalcrab
A ball was dropped on ordering them so the procurement officer who was going to place the order is going to be at Costco today picking the order up
[7/3/2019 4:29 PM] yashsedai
Feel free to scream at me
[7/3/2019 4:29 PM] yashsedai
I was the one that did it
[7/3/2019 4:29 PM] stansimmons2031
The ball was dropped a long time ago in my opinion
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[7/3/2019 4:30 PM] canibalcrab
Noted. Thanks for your input
[7/3/2019 4:31 PM] stansimmons2031
No, Freddy, this one is square on Pearce. I let him know we were low on printer paper Monday a week ago, then again on last Thursday when I loaded the last ream in the printer, and finally on Monday the 1st when the printer completely ran out.
[7/3/2019 4:33 PM] stansimmons2031
I know how to do the fucking job, and if the chair says don't buy something I won't. But this is just petty bullshit
[7/3/2019 4:34 PM] stansimmons2031
Do a search on this channel for "paper" if you don't believe me
[7/3/2019 4:34 PM] canibalcrab
freddy is referring to me asking him to place an order
[7/3/2019 4:35 PM] stansimmons2031
Exactly when did you ask him?
[7/3/2019 4:35 PM] stansimmons2031
certainly not Monday a week ago when I first told you we needed paper
[7/3/2019 4:36 PM] canibalcrab
thats correct, i got the info while doing other stuff and then forgot
[7/3/2019 4:36 PM] lavarocks.
Do you have a vice on your team who can keep an eye on things?
[7/3/2019 4:37 PM] stansimmons2031
so rather than delegate to the person who has been doing the job for YEARS, you just dropped the ball.
[7/3/2019 4:37 PM] canibalcrab
i wont go into the reason behind why i made that decision here.
[7/3/2019 4:38 PM] canibalcrab
@Lavarocks no but i am working on that as well
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[7/3/2019 4:38 PM] stansimmons2031
I get you don't trust me, but you didn't even ask.
[7/3/2019 4:45 PM] michaelb5250
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[7/3/2019 4:47 PM] stansimmons2031
yeah, just fine, out of paper, out of paper towel, out of blue tape, out of cups, out of plates, nearly out of trash bags.... but storage looks nice. 🙄
[7/3/2019 4:47 PM] canibalcrab
shits gonna be there tonight
[7/3/2019 4:47 PM] canibalcrab
only thing that wasnt on the list was blue tape
[7/3/2019 4:47 PM] stansimmons2031
shit should have been here last week. Fail.
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[7/3/2019 4:48 PM] stansimmons2031
this is the SECOND time youv'e let paper towel run out in a month
[7/3/2019 4:48 PM] lavarocks.
Do we really need to supply blue tape? I'm seriously asking
[7/3/2019 4:48 PM] sewingstuff2561
Why do we have a contract with Cintas anyway? Isn’t that part of their job?
[7/3/2019 4:49 PM] canibalcrab
blue tape is on the list of things we should store in the consumables shop for sure
[7/3/2019 4:49 PM] stansimmons2031
"their job" who is "their"?
[7/3/2019 4:49 PM] canibalcrab
cintas. and restocking them
[7/3/2019 4:49 PM] yashsedai
we have a contract with Cinats because a lone director decided we should
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[7/3/2019 4:49 PM] lavarocks.
You have to have a special contract for that I thought
[7/3/2019 4:50 PM] stansimmons2031
I'm not sure what the deal was with the Cintas paper goods, but the John Wayne toilet paper they supply should be a good reason to break that contract
[7/3/2019 4:51 PM] stansimmons2031
That stuff is damn near 80 grit
[7/3/2019 4:51 PM] canibalcrab
thats something we are looking into, but they should be restocking the dispensers
[7/3/2019 4:51 PM] lavarocks.
I need some popcorn, dis entertaining
[7/3/2019 4:51 PM] stansimmons2031
they stock that stuff every Thurs. They came a day early this week
[7/3/2019 4:55 PM] stansimmons2031
Sorry, no popcorn, not on the new austerity list....
[7/3/2019 4:56 PM] aceat64
You can ask parks to sell microwave popcorn
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[7/3/2019 4:56 PM] michaelb5250
I never really understood the microwave popcorn. I didn't even think it was DMS provided at first...
[7/3/2019 4:56 PM] sewingstuff2561
All popcorn all the time. Popcornspace.
[7/3/2019 4:58 PM] stansimmons2031
The first couple of boxes were not. I bought them personally. Later a Logistics chair said to get it.
[7/3/2019 4:58 PM] stansimmons2031
the popcorn was about $0.25/ bag
[7/3/2019 4:59 PM] aceat64
That's pretty cheap, shouldn't be difficult for people to get their own then
[7/3/2019 5:00 PM] stansimmons2031
The point is I've never purchased anything for Logistics that wasn't approved or requested by a Chair or Vice Chair.
[7/3/2019 5:32 PM] mizgeek
Isn’t Costco/Sam’s cheaper than Cintas? And that toilet paper is horrid.
[7/3/2019 5:34 PM] canibalcrab
it sure seems like it
[7/3/2019 5:34 PM] canibalcrab
but they were supposed to be a better alternative to having volunteers do the restocking
[7/3/2019 5:35 PM] mizgeek
Isn’t volunteers the point of Makerspace?
[7/3/2019 5:36 PM] canibalcrab
automating menial tasks lets the volunteers put their time towards better tasks
[7/3/2019 5:37 PM] mizgeek
Aren’t we trying to save money?
[7/3/2019 5:37 PM] mell.jpg
It's kinda like when we switched to Parks from stocking all the snacks ourselves. That action freed up a whole lot of volunteer time that went to improving the space in different ways.
[7/3/2019 5:37 PM] canibalcrab
yes we are trying to save money
[7/3/2019 5:37 PM] canibalcrab
i didnt sign up for cintas
[7/3/2019 5:38 PM] canibalcrab
and nor did the previous logistics chair
[7/3/2019 5:38 PM] canibalcrab
but they also thought we had a surplus of funds at the time
[7/3/2019 5:38 PM] mell.jpg
Just gotta reevaluate whenever we can and see what's worth it.
[7/3/2019 5:39 PM] mizgeek
Fetching decent toilet paper is the kind of task those of us with health issues can do.
[7/3/2019 5:39 PM] mizgeek
Happily
[7/3/2019 5:45 PM] stansimmons2031
The problem is that the Cintas paper goods dispensers need restocking more than once a week, so volunteers end up having to do it anyway... just not as often
[7/3/2019 5:46 PM] mizgeek
That can’t be worth the extra money.
[7/3/2019 5:48 PM] aceat64
there's likely cheaper options that will restock more frequently
[7/3/2019 5:48 PM] aceat64
would be helpful if we started a list, so we can get quotes
[7/3/2019 5:48 PM] aceat64
we need to know what to stock, what quantity and how frequent, then we can go price shopping for services
[7/3/2019 5:52 PM] mizgeek
And toilet paper that doesn’t pill. Ick!
[7/3/2019 5:58 PM] merissa4308
Can we cancel cintas?
[7/3/2019 5:58 PM] merissa4308
Sounds like no one is pleased with it
[7/3/2019 6:07 PM] nullinterface
You can always cancel a contract. The kicker is what's the penalty.
[7/3/2019 6:12 PM] merissa4308
Ok, so details help if someone has them
[7/3/2019 6:52 PM] doug.emes
Not to add fuel to the fire, but FFS the toilet paper dispensers that cintas installed BELOW the handrails are darn impossible to reach.
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[7/3/2019 6:52 PM] doug.emes
And supposedly I'm able bodied
[7/3/2019 7:36 PM] judykriehn3727
/ THIS\
[7/3/2019 8:02 PM] canibalcrab
We can move them up. Wasn't aware they were too low
[7/3/2019 8:58 PM] axeonos
Id suggest next logistics meeting- taking a walk around and seeing which need to be brought up, which room has more usage and maybe which area needs focal points. just a suggestion. dont need to act on my accord
[7/3/2019 9:01 PM] canibalcrab
More usage for what?
[7/3/2019 9:13 PM] stansimmons2031
If we move them above the ADA bars, then they will be out of compliance with ADA. 😦
[7/3/2019 9:14 PM] stansimmons2031
I vote for getting rid of the Cintas TP dispensers entirely and go back to standard rolls.
[7/3/2019 9:14 PM] stansimmons2031
That way we can be in compliance and not have to get on the floor for TP.
[7/3/2019 9:16 PM] stansimmons2031
@pearce Thank you for sending @yashsedai after paper. I've loaded the printer, put the Cintas paper towel rolls back in the storage closet and distributed one case of Costco paper towels
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[7/3/2019 9:17 PM] yashsedai
thanks for doing that!
[7/3/2019 10:02 PM] mizgeek
Yay Stan!
[7/4/2019 1:01 PM] hardsuit
👌 :dms:
[7/5/2019 1:19 PM] nullinterface
So the thinking is we're going to do DMS self-serve vending *again*? Did we ask Allen Wan and Ben Groves what they thought?
[7/5/2019 1:35 PM] canibalcrab
NOT a vending machine
[7/5/2019 1:36 PM] canibalcrab
I'm thinking a near exact mirror to parks pantry
[7/5/2019 1:39 PM] nullinterface
that's what they used to have, no?
[7/5/2019 1:43 PM] stansimmons2031
No, there was a member owned sandwich vending machine with the refrigerator disabled. One couldn't purchase directly from the machine because of Dallas Vending License issues, so purchases were made on a website and dispensed at the machine. It never worked well, and refunds were a big issue.
[7/5/2019 1:45 PM] stansimmons2031
Later, when Allen was in charge of snacks, we had wire racks with stuff from Costco on them, and a money box. The Honor System wasn't honored by everyone....
[7/5/2019 1:46 PM] nullinterface
I wasn't involved with that, but I gather that at a flat $1 per item they essentially just broke even
[7/5/2019 1:52 PM] stansimmons2031
It started with $1 per item, but later evolved to $0.25 over cost, rounded to the nearest $0.25. That got bottled water down to $0.50 rather than $1, substantially reducing theft. It usually broke even or slightly better
[7/5/2019 1:55 PM] nullinterface
roundup up to the next quarter and breaking even/*just* making a profit suggests considerable shrinkage
[7/5/2019 1:55 PM] stansimmons2031
yes.
[7/5/2019 1:56 PM] stansimmons2031
The kiosk that @AGr built seemed to help with that some.
[7/5/2019 1:58 PM] nullinterface
I vaguely recall liquidation of a ~$400 snack fund at the end of the program
[7/5/2019 1:58 PM] stansimmons2031
That sounds about right
[7/5/2019 1:58 PM] nullinterface
I also recall that it ended for lack of will to sustain it with labor
[7/5/2019 2:00 PM] stansimmons2031
At the end it was just me and Allen, then Robert (I think) found Parks Pantry....
[7/5/2019 2:01 PM] nullinterface
***Thus*** if we want to go down this path ...
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/does-parks-have-shrink/58919/3
... might want to think about the long-term cost of "administering" it in terms of volunteer time and DMS's tendency for pilferage
[7/5/2019 2:03 PM] stansimmons2031
I think actual vending machines that take payment before dispensing would virtually eliminate shrinkage. The machines would need to take cards and cash.
[7/5/2019 2:03 PM] stansimmons2031
It could be a revenue center for DMS, but would require a fairly hefty initial investment, especially for machines that take cards.
[7/5/2019 2:04 PM] stansimmons2031
We could get less expensive machines and an ATM....
[7/5/2019 2:04 PM] nullinterface
• **cash** = simple to accept, in short supply, requires routine servicing of the machine to keep it supplied with change
• **credit** = harder to accept, everyone has it, need a merchant agreement and some means of not getting eaten alive by fees
[7/5/2019 2:05 PM] nullinterface
we do Square, but that's honor system
[7/5/2019 2:05 PM] stansimmons2031
vending would require at least weekly maintenence.
[7/5/2019 2:06 PM] nullinterface
of course, price to nearest dollar and the change situation is simplified
[7/5/2019 2:06 PM] stansimmons2031
I'd be willing to do it for a percentage of gross profit
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[7/5/2019 2:06 PM] nullinterface
just load up on dollar coins like transit ticket machines
[7/5/2019 2:06 PM] stansimmons2031
ack! Carter Quarters.
[7/5/2019 2:08 PM] stansimmons2031
I blame Pres. Carter and the Susan B Anthony dollar coin for cokes going from $0.50 to $1.
[7/5/2019 2:08 PM] nullinterface
the latter happened a couple decades later
[7/5/2019 2:11 PM] stansimmons2031
The Susan B $1 came out about the time I went to College. I remember Cokes being $0.50 the first part of my Freshman year, and coming back from xmas break to $1 cokes.
[7/5/2019 2:12 PM] stansimmons2031
'81 -'82, Kokernot Hall, Baylor, Waco, TX.
[7/5/2019 2:13 PM] nullinterface
I recall a different president being in office around then ...
[7/5/2019 2:13 PM] stansimmons2031
Susan B's started being minted in '79-'80
[7/5/2019 2:14 PM] nullinterface
also, $0.50 12oz canned beverages were a thing through at least the late 90s in my experience
[7/5/2019 2:24 PM] nullinterface
hotels, convention centers, movie theaters, stadiums, etc of course extracted **usury** rates
[7/5/2019 2:24 PM] stansimmons2031
... as did/do colleges and universities. 😉
[7/5/2019 2:24 PM] nullinterface
shocking
[7/7/2019 10:56 AM] canibalcrab
Y'all ready for some project storage tagging
[7/7/2019 11:21 AM] mell.jpg
Going to try to make it out for a bit but I can't stay long.
[7/7/2019 11:22 AM] mell.jpg
Is Logistics in charge of the common room tables? Why so much clutter and monitors everywhere? Most of the tables were open yesterday but maybe a couple seats that didn't have stuff in front of you. I walked in and was really unsure if I could sit anywhere or if someone was already sitting there.
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[7/7/2019 11:27 AM] canibalcrab
We can walk through and look around the space
[7/7/2019 11:40 AM] agr0090
At some point will have to do something with abandoned table making station and pallet of 1/2 inch plywood that presumably is for expansion purposes somehow
[7/7/2019 11:41 AM] agr0090
I'm out of town
[7/7/2019 11:42 AM] stephenie.
Alas, no longer a Common Room.
It's become the Computer Lab.
I miss the flex space it once was.
You could plug in a laptop if you needed to, but also build a 3d printer, play games, hold a little meeting, count cash, kibbitz. Remember the communal jigsaw puzzle?
[7/7/2019 11:44 AM] stephenie.
The Ruby on Rails group would work on the back table. Laptop monitors don't block faces, so you can work on group digital projects or just plain talk.
[7/7/2019 11:45 AM] stephenie.
@mell and I could only sit at separate tables, back to back. Had to swivel around to discuss honorarium auditor ideas.
[7/7/2019 11:46 AM] canibalcrab
I could do without long term puzzles
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[7/7/2019 11:46 AM] canibalcrab
But we can look before we start tagging, might need to get a shelf for the monitors to live on and be returned to
[7/7/2019 11:50 AM] stephenie.
Agreed. Nothing should occupy a long term spot unless sign up kiosks or the 3 design stations. Just using the puzzles to point out the flexibility of the pre-Monitor Invasion state.
[7/7/2019 11:57 AM] stansimmons2031
The Common Room is a mess mostly because it got moved with no planning at all.... prompted by the ill fated CA move that had to be done "Right Now, This Weekend, Because We Will Never Get Our Volunteers Together Again, Ever" forcing the Common Room, VCC, Design Computers and Lost & Found to be moved (but not set back up) by a wild Logistics hoard. Power, but not networking, had been setup in the new common room. The move was done prior to Expansion being ready for it.
[7/7/2019 11:58 AM] canibalcrab
Yeah that's when it got cluttered
[7/7/2019 11:58 AM] stansimmons2031
There are still a lot of cables and power supplies that haven't been found from that move, that I suspect may be in some of the black and yellow tubs
[7/7/2019 11:58 AM] stansimmons2031
No, it was cluttered before, now it is a complete mess
[7/7/2019 11:59 AM] stansimmons2031
I don't blame the people that helped move it
[7/7/2019 11:59 AM] alerho
PUH LEASE..... It's looked like shit for a long time.
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[7/7/2019 11:59 AM] stansimmons2031
I blame the lack of planning, forced by the ill planned CA move
[7/7/2019 12:01 PM] judykriehn3727
Stop laying blame at CA’s feet. Shay was given a date by expansion and acted accordingly.
[7/7/2019 12:01 PM] mell.jpg
Cool. Now that the blame is out there we can go ahead and fix it.
[7/7/2019 12:01 PM] agr0090
It takes constant effort to fight entropy
[7/7/2019 12:01 PM] stansimmons2031
Who in Expansion gave that date, because the new room ABSOLUTLY wasn't ready for the move in?
[7/7/2019 12:02 PM] stansimmons2031
Still isn't ready
[7/7/2019 12:03 PM] canibalcrab
Arguably the carpet removal wasn't necessary
[7/7/2019 12:03 PM] canibalcrab
But that aside
[7/7/2019 12:03 PM] canibalcrab
Today we will also be addressing the common room
[7/7/2019 12:04 PM] canibalcrab
As "a wild logistics horde"
[7/7/2019 12:04 PM] canibalcrab
Light the warning towers.
[7/7/2019 12:04 PM] agr0090
Question is not who can we blame, but what is plan to improve it today
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[7/7/2019 12:05 PM] stansimmons2031
That was not a disparaging term, but an accurate description watching the movement of the common room in a very short time. I applaud the initial effort, but the followup of hooking stuff back up where it belonged was a bit.... lacking.
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[7/7/2019 12:11 PM] kenpurcell
Anyone know why this car was zooming back and forth 8-10 times yesterday morning?
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[7/7/2019 12:11 PM] stansimmons2031
Huh? Last I heard Luke Strickland was going to buy it from Tom Tansey.
[7/7/2019 12:14 PM] stansimmons2031
... and even in brand new condition, it could hardly "zoom". (snicker)
[7/7/2019 12:18 PM] canibalcrab
Hopefully they were testing it to make sure they could remove it before it gets towed
[7/7/2019 12:29 PM] stansimmons2031
I think you might mean this car:
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[7/7/2019 12:30 PM] stansimmons2031
It was running up and down about 9:30 or so.
[7/7/2019 12:44 PM] canibalcrab
Ayy
[7/7/2019 12:44 PM] canibalcrab
Good
[7/7/2019 1:06 PM] lavarocks.
I cleared that move way ahead of time and like a hundred more times before we moved. Dont blame ca for the crappy layout and less space.
[7/7/2019 1:08 PM] lavarocks.
I talked to James one month ahead and confirmed once more before ever gathering volunteers. Not my fault yall couldnt get your own volunteers to move faster or lay fiber or whatever else you needed to do in a month.
[7/7/2019 1:19 PM] lavarocks.
@stan who in expansion gave the date? James the first time I asked and you were standing next to him and James tgd second time I asked if we needed to pull back the date and he again assured me it would be fine when I was talking to two new members a week later. Both times were before I ever posted on talk about needing help. Now that you have names do you require dates too or can you stop blaming us now?
[7/7/2019 1:22 PM] lavarocks.
Sorry, this heats me up because we did our due diligence and people keep blaming us.
[7/7/2019 1:22 PM] stansimmons2031
I don't know if you remember when you asked James and I was there, but I said at that time that we didn't have power or ethernet run at that time. I said that the tables could be moved, but to be aware that the common room would be non-functional until power and ethernet were run.
[7/7/2019 1:23 PM] stansimmons2031
We did get power run but had not gotten ethernet done before the move. Some of the ethernet, but not all has been done since then.
[7/7/2019 1:24 PM] lavarocks.
I asked him if it was safe to move, expecting that was all inclusive. I talked to him about the power and again was told we could move. I specifically said do you want us to hold off until july and he said nope.
[7/7/2019 1:26 PM] lavarocks.
All we ever do now is blame others for our failings. I see this on talk, on here, it really isn't a community if all we have is disdain for others. We may as well be talking on Next Door.
[7/7/2019 1:27 PM] lavarocks.
Your property is causing my value to tank! Did you see Margaret's lawn?
[7/7/2019 1:28 PM] stansimmons2031
Freddy and I have had our hands full getting the floor fixed, amongst other things... The rest of the ethernet will get done eventually... as volunteer time allows.
[7/7/2019 1:28 PM] lavarocks.
We do appreciate all you ha e done with the flooring.
[7/7/2019 1:32 PM] canibalcrab
Guys
[7/7/2019 1:33 PM] canibalcrab
It doesn't matter. It's in the past. We are going to work with what we have and clean up
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[7/7/2019 1:57 PM] merissa4308
Sorry Brandon and I are missing the meeting. Have not made it back to town yet from weekend family activities.
[7/7/2019 2:02 PM] aceat64
I'll be there in a bit
[7/7/2019 2:09 PM] ray012258
Have a couple of people here for the extension meeting
[7/7/2019 6:48 PM] hon1nbo
@pearce has logistics decided what to do about the back table / the second one? (also are we abandoning the trello board? It's been inactive)
[7/7/2019 9:31 PM] joshw0263
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium are you refering to laser annex table I ran out of time to get a sign up today
[7/7/2019 9:37 PM] hon1nbo
no, talking about the table in the parking lot
[7/7/2019 9:37 PM] hon1nbo
long background about it
[7/7/2019 9:38 PM] judykriehn3727
The Ben memorial disco table?
[7/7/2019 9:54 PM] hon1nbo
yup
[7/7/2019 9:57 PM] draco_the_drake
Do you think that table would support Coyote Ugly dancing?
[7/7/2019 9:57 PM] draco_the_drake
hmm ....
[7/7/2019 9:57 PM] draco_the_drake
*yells* Kevin....
[7/7/2019 10:34 PM] lavarocks.
Hasn't it already?
[7/7/2019 10:35 PM] lavarocks.
Jk that was the bowling table, nm
[7/7/2019 10:40 PM] draco_the_drake
lol
[7/7/2019 10:54 PM] judykriehn3727
I don’t think you could light up that bar though. The table would go up on flames.
[7/7/2019 11:39 PM] ray012258
Please no...I don't want to get that camera video. I have already seen things that I would like to unsee.
[7/7/2019 11:39 PM] ray012258
😱
[7/7/2019 11:57 PM] draco_the_drake
hehehe
[7/8/2019 12:50 AM] yashsedai
I think the dumpster might support the damn table
[7/8/2019 12:51 AM] yashsedai
its a freaking nightmare of crap
[7/8/2019 12:51 AM] aceat64
I think throwing it away would count as carbon sequestration, so technically we'd be saving the planet
[7/8/2019 12:51 AM] yashsedai
if we burn it first can we get negative credits?
[7/8/2019 12:51 AM] yashsedai
i can get the diesel and the leaf blower
[7/8/2019 12:52 AM] aceat64
I don't want to be anywhere near that fire lol
[7/8/2019 12:52 AM] yashsedai
lol
[7/8/2019 12:52 AM] yashsedai
breathe deeply
[7/8/2019 12:52 AM] aceat64
I like my lungs
[7/8/2019 12:52 AM] yashsedai
the plastic shall inherit you
[7/8/2019 12:52 AM] yashsedai
diesel and air fix everything
[7/8/2019 12:52 AM] yashsedai
well forced air
[7/8/2019 3:18 AM] canibalcrab
We got burned pretty good on that table being an eagle scout project, but I don't think we are going to get anywhere trying to force Ben to finish it.
[7/8/2019 3:19 AM] canibalcrab
As for Trello I don't want to say we should abandon it, but I know I'm really bad about checking it at all
[7/8/2019 7:20 AM] hon1nbo
Again, Ben has offered to finish it if we can just give them a list of known issues or a date to complete the second table by. Additionally we are setting aside space for the second table that hasn't been built but we have parts for.
[7/8/2019 8:42 AM] merissa4308
I propose deadline of 7/14. If it's not a table by then, the materials get offsited or dumped.
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[7/8/2019 9:06 AM] hon1nbo
even I think less than a week is an unfair response for that. Ben asked for a list of what needed to be fixed on the first table / changed for the second. Since things were already bought I'd say give him the time to actually make it. 2 weeks maybe>?
[7/8/2019 9:09 AM] andrew5152
ask him for the deadline and stick to it?
[7/8/2019 9:13 AM] hon1nbo
basically the claim is there has never been a deadline so that's why we don't have a second table that was paid for
[7/8/2019 9:14 AM] hon1nbo
and never got a list of what's wrong with the first table
[7/8/2019 9:14 AM] hon1nbo
soooo given the background of the people managing that project beforehand I'm not surprised at either of those
[7/8/2019 9:20 AM] andrew5152
so ask him when he can have them done, and then use or throw away whatever is appropriate for the product on/after that date
[7/8/2019 9:21 AM] andrew5152
(instead of trying to impose a date on him, let him tell you when he can have it done)
[7/8/2019 9:29 AM] hon1nbo
yeah tried that, basically him and his dad are of the opinion that if there isn't a deadline set, there is no deadline
[7/8/2019 9:32 AM] andrew5152
Ah. Well, then. Excellent Eagle Scouting/parenting. So I say to hell with it, then. Into the dumpster. Should have done it right, right away. The scouting way is _not_ "put off til tomorrow all you can".
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[7/8/2019 9:35 AM] kenpurcell
I was surprised they even sponsored this given some other issues.
[7/8/2019 9:36 AM] andrew5152
"they"?
[7/8/2019 9:36 AM] mell.jpg
This is Pearce's call but I'm with Merissa for next Sunday(July's offsiting day) but l can see how that might not be enough time. Maybe then August's storage deadline? That way it's a known logistics workday where things get removed.
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[7/8/2019 9:39 AM] kenpurcell
they = DMS (Us)
[7/8/2019 9:41 AM] andrew5152
hm. So.... in lieu of just pitching all the stuff in the dumpster, do we _need_ or _want_ picnic tables? Why not have a work day, and get 2 working tables out of the deal? These don't _look_ all that hard to put together...
[7/8/2019 9:45 AM] hon1nbo
on an unrelated note I've received word from yet another member about parts / funds absconded with by scott jones. If anyone sees the below parts reach out to me so they can get back with the owner. Apparently he had a lot of truck parts with scott
[7/8/2019 9:45 AM] hon1nbo
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[7/8/2019 12:51 PM] michaelb5250
I sent a screenshot of today's table conversation to one of my friends who got his eagle scout a few years ago. His recommendation was
"I would say give a deadline with 2 weekends to work, and see what comes back. Sometimes, rarely, it ends up falling on the scout to finish on their own. If they can't, maybe look for another who can, or see if anyone in [DMS] would be willing to volunteer a few hours if he can't get anyone from the troop. It would be a shame to get to the eagle project, and drop it halfway through"
Also made the comment that the project is about the candidate directing volunteers to do the work, instead of the person themselves doing it.
[7/8/2019 12:53 PM] canibalcrab
That's the problem
[7/8/2019 12:54 PM] canibalcrab
The scouts believe he is done
[7/8/2019 12:54 PM] canibalcrab
And have the DMS of paperwork as saying he completed it.
[7/8/2019 12:55 PM] andrew5152
Then let's walk away from that thread. Get it done ourselves, or pitch in.
[7/8/2019 12:55 PM] canibalcrab
But on the DMS side there is almost no documentation for it from the people who negotiated the table as a scout project. Just the issues with it
[7/8/2019 12:58 PM] merissa4308
Kris told me two months ago she told Ben he was on his final notice to get it complete or she would complain to the eagle scouts.
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[7/8/2019 12:59 PM] merissa4308
I recommend Sunday as a courtesy. He obviously knows it was expected to be completed MONTHS ago.
[7/8/2019 1:00 PM] canibalcrab
I'm more with @A. Spencer(jast). We can fix it ourselves and put a plaque on it. Make it say "started as an eagle scout project by Ben p. Completed by volunteers at the DMS"
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[7/8/2019 1:00 PM] merissa4308
If the materials were bought with DMS money, repurpose the materials to make something else. I'm sure we can find a member who will create something useful
[7/8/2019 1:00 PM] canibalcrab
The LEDs basically got pilfered from lost and found. Because people are trash
[7/8/2019 1:01 PM] merissa4308
Why do we care if the table lights up?
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[7/8/2019 1:02 PM] canibalcrab
I don't. But that's where some of the supplies and DMS money went
[7/8/2019 1:02 PM] merissa4308
Ahh
[7/8/2019 1:02 PM] andrew5152
meh. at this point, cut losses, get maximum benefit from what's left
[7/8/2019 1:03 PM] merissa4308
So those can go on the freebie shelf, use the wood to make something useful?
[7/8/2019 1:51 PM] agr0090
why is there so much discussion on this? Throw away extra material for a second table that will never be built and if current picnic table breaks throw it in the trash
[7/8/2019 1:56 PM] draco_the_drake
You are right, we do live in a disposable society ... everything is disposable these days
[7/8/2019 1:59 PM] yashsedai
people too
[7/8/2019 2:00 PM] draco_the_drake
Yup ... people that cannot be used, dumpster
[7/8/2019 2:01 PM] draco_the_drake
Do we have to off-site them first? Is that the noise I heard from the storage?
[7/8/2019 2:01 PM] draco_the_drake
But I jest
[7/8/2019 2:02 PM] yashsedai
lol
[7/8/2019 2:02 PM] yashsedai
proceed directly to dumpster
[7/8/2019 2:02 PM] yashsedai
no offsite
[7/8/2019 2:02 PM] yashsedai
storage cost too high
[7/8/2019 2:02 PM] draco_the_drake
Ahh ... perfect
[7/8/2019 2:04 PM] andrew5152
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6srI0EVwTUE
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[7/8/2019 2:06 PM] draco_the_drake
Here is your motivational post of the day
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[7/8/2019 3:30 PM] axeonos
I know an arm and a leg in good condition are worth 6k each. Don't ask me how I know this.
[7/8/2019 3:48 PM] lavarocks.
That's really all?
[7/8/2019 4:42 PM] judykriehn3727
Probably in life /dismemberment insurance terms. Someone, at some time, spent a great deal of time explaining how you don’t get full payout for accidentally whacking off your thumb above the big knuckle. But if it is gone along with that part of your palm, then it’s $$$ time. So if you’re gonna whack off body parts in woodshop, study your insurance policies in advance and aim accordingly.
[7/8/2019 4:43 PM] mizgeek
😂
[7/8/2019 4:49 PM] axeonos
Just depends on how much money you want to get
[7/8/2019 4:58 PM] stansimmons2031
Did Scott Jones trailer get towed, or did he move it somewhere?
[7/8/2019 4:59 PM] stansimmons2031
There is a guy here looking for his bumber which was on that trailer
[7/8/2019 5:04 PM] canibalcrab
He had it at Tanner's parking lot and took it away the night of the 19th
[7/8/2019 5:04 PM] canibalcrab
As for the guy looking for parts, sorry but thats between him and Scott Jones.
[7/8/2019 5:05 PM] stansimmons2031
ok, there was a guy here looking for scott to get a bumper from him.
[7/8/2019 5:05 PM] canibalcrab
Yeah
[7/8/2019 5:05 PM] stansimmons2031
I told him he was no longer a member
[7/8/2019 5:05 PM] canibalcrab
He had another guy's rims on it but he came up and was able to grab them
[7/8/2019 5:06 PM] stansimmons2031
I don't think scott had actually built this guys bumper yet
[7/8/2019 5:06 PM] canibalcrab
He may have? There was at least 1.5 bumpers on it
[7/8/2019 5:07 PM] canibalcrab
But that just means the guy can file non delivery of goods
[7/8/2019 5:30 PM] hon1nbo
This is now member #3 that has not gotten parts / has been potentially defrauded
[7/8/2019 5:30 PM] hon1nbo
one of them paid cash up front and the thing was likely never made
[7/8/2019 5:37 PM] yashsedai
lol
[7/8/2019 5:38 PM] canibalcrab
Yeah it sucks. But the dms isn't responsible
[7/8/2019 5:39 PM] canibalcrab
Even if we had towed his car it's not on us
[7/8/2019 6:25 PM] judykriehn3727
Last I saw Scott, he was driving down the service road of I-35with the trailer behind him. That tan bucket seat was on the trailer. He pulled into the no-longer-Grandys parking lot and disappeared behind the bldg. when he reappeared the seat was no longer on the trailer. I interpreted that as dumping stuff in dumpsters along the way home. I’m thinking it was the night of the board meeting, but coulda been a different date. It was still light outside, but close to dusk
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[7/8/2019 7:45 PM] sewingstuff2561
Honestly it’s for the best. He would have just kept messing up and making it everyone else’s fault while grifting more people.
[7/8/2019 7:53 PM] sewingstuff2561
Though 3 grand was a bit pricey for his removal.
[7/8/2019 8:11 PM] lavarocks.
There is a sketchy motel behind grandys. Doesnt that one tom guy live there?
[7/8/2019 9:31 PM] yashsedai
LOL
[7/8/2019 10:22 PM] judykriehn3727
tom guy?
[7/9/2019 6:40 AM] lavarocks.
Tom that sprawls out and runs his business at one of many tables. Often accompanied by a bowling ball on the table.
[7/9/2019 6:45 AM] merissa4308
Sounds like Tom Cook
[7/9/2019 6:46 AM] lavarocks.
Yes
[7/9/2019 8:13 AM] judykriehn3727
Ther I don’t know the guys name or I’ve missed this somehow.
[7/12/2019 2:57 PM] canibalcrab
Offsite is Sunday 7/14. This weekend. We will have a box truck to try and clear out as much of the storage units as possible, and will be evicting non removed storage into the old CA annex.
[7/12/2019 3:12 PM] adam1334
I'll try to be there for offsiting. No promises tho.
[7/12/2019 3:13 PM] canibalcrab
moving from cube smart may start earlier than 2pm. 2pm is when project storage will be cleared
[7/12/2019 3:31 PM] agr0090
Nice, I will be there, we should move trebuchet and I can chop it up at DMS
[7/12/2019 3:31 PM] canibalcrab
my back hurts already
[7/12/2019 3:32 PM] agr0090
we just need to bring the ryobi air pump, trebuchet has wheels (moving the 100 pound weights to break them up with a sledge will suck though)
[7/12/2019 3:33 PM] canibalcrab
We can cut stuff up there if possible
[7/12/2019 3:35 PM] agr0090
will dumptruck notice if we put 1,000 pounds of concrete into dumpster?
[7/12/2019 3:46 PM] lavarocks.
Can you bring the dumpsterable two printers back to 102 and pending the board vote on agenda for 22nd they will be gone?
[7/12/2019 3:49 PM] agr0090
sure
[7/12/2019 3:52 PM] canibalcrab
All of the stuff is coming back
[7/12/2019 3:53 PM] canibalcrab
Committees will need to deal with their own stuff
[7/12/2019 3:58 PM] lavarocks.
Thank you.
[7/12/2019 5:29 PM] judykriehn3727
The printers left the storage building a couple of weekends ago with the Russell Crowe dude.
[7/12/2019 5:40 PM] canibalcrab
Perfect. I guess. Not sure how I feel about the chair not knowing where our stuff went
[7/12/2019 6:01 PM] judykriehn3727
Apparently, he is part of the wide format committee. And he has a pal that does big prints for a living, so he volunteered to take it to his buddy’s workshop so they could determine if any salvageable parts. He was told it could not return to DMS property. I think this is all in the TALK thread re: the board action requested by Lara and myself. Lara knee, but was getting sick, so she can be forgiven.
[7/12/2019 6:36 PM] lavarocks.
Thanks. I honestly dont care as long as we are no longer paying for storage
[7/12/2019 6:56 PM] canibalcrab
yeah they are upping the monthly cost per unit
[7/12/2019 8:11 PM] hardsuit
Yes, they're being stripped of any useable parts, and will be otherwise trashed. Any $ from salvage comes back to the SIG/committee.
[7/12/2019 8:11 PM] canibalcrab
cool
[7/12/2019 8:11 PM] lavarocks.
So we can remove the agenda item
[7/12/2019 8:18 PM] ray012258
I'll try to help with the storage unit if you tell me when and where. I need to lift heavy things and not think for a while. 😁
[7/12/2019 10:31 PM] judykriehn3727
Well, I'd rather carry through - just so it doesn't come back to bite anybody in the butt. Whether CA, the board, Russell or some other mystery person.
[7/14/2019 9:33 AM] canibalcrab
We will be busy today, likely need to split into two groups to tackle off site and then project storage. It's gonna be hot and dirty so bring clothes you don't care about
[7/14/2019 9:34 AM] canibalcrab
Project storage removal starts at 2pm. Off site will get started as soon as we have a truck
[7/14/2019 9:51 AM] michaelb5250
We got a box truck for today right?
[7/14/2019 10:00 AM] canibalcrab
Working on it now
[7/14/2019 10:27 AM] merissa4308
Brandon's bringing a cooler of iced down gatorade
[7/14/2019 10:28 AM] canibalcrab
Oh good. thanks
[7/14/2019 10:29 AM] canibalcrab
I was going to buy a pack myself when I headed out
[7/14/2019 12:04 PM] mell.jpg
I don't think Alex and I are making it out to this one. Hope everything goes well!
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[7/14/2019 12:06 PM] canibalcrab
No worries. I don't think we will be getting any threats this time
[7/14/2019 12:10 PM] axeonos
Only threats of a good time.
[7/14/2019 1:52 PM] canibalcrab
Need some bodies over at cubesmart for moving stuff
[7/14/2019 2:00 PM] agr0090
I'm 30 to 60 minutes out
[7/14/2019 2:02 PM] aceat64
~20 minutes for me, getting over food poisoning was fun
[7/14/2019 2:02 PM] hon1nbo
Which cubesmart is it?
[7/14/2019 2:02 PM] hon1nbo
I haven't been out tonit, and the storage listed on the kiosk isn't a cubesmart
[7/14/2019 2:02 PM] aceat64
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[7/14/2019 2:03 PM] aceat64
I forgot the gate code though, @pearce or @yashsedai can probably let us know
[7/14/2019 2:04 PM] canibalcrab
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[7/14/2019 3:04 PM] judykriehn3727
It’s right next to the Racetrack on Luna Rd @ valley view.
[7/15/2019 10:14 AM] adam1334
Not sure why I didn't think of this yesterday, but should we move all of the slipcasting molds into Ceramics current space?
[7/15/2019 10:17 AM] nullinterface
electricians still at work in 102 workshop?
[7/15/2019 10:37 AM] adam1334
*North workshop...
[7/15/2019 10:40 AM] adam1334
It is my understanding that there is a LOT of electrical work to be done in the north workshop. I've not been able to attend (life gets in the way) any of the expansion meetings as of late, but that's what I'm hearing.
[7/15/2019 10:41 AM] adam1334
@pearce Do we need to make some sort of announcement about where 'offsite' project storage went to this time (not actually offsite)?
[7/15/2019 11:56 AM] agr0090
When electrical work starts I can help shuffle things in warehouse, pushed most stores things close to walls, is a lot to go through and distribute to commitees or trash
[7/15/2019 12:03 PM] nullinterface
are we going to quibble about suite number vs cardinal directions now?
[7/15/2019 12:12 PM] agr0090
I don't think any electrical work has started, and don't know when it would
[7/15/2019 12:53 PM] nullinterface
I recall mention of electrical work being conducted on a *contingent scheduling* basis at one point and I've often seen materials laid out in the 102 workshop
[7/15/2019 12:55 PM] agr0090
I have no source, but all the electrical stuff laying around has been there a long time, I think it was a donation or something with the expectation that it might be used and save us money, would need to get a confirmation from who is actually talking to electrical contractors. I assume that would be Rich, I don't know
[7/15/2019 12:57 PM] nullinterface
Rich or Radcliffe
[7/15/2019 12:59 PM] canibalcrab
@Adam yes, I need to make some signs and replace the cube smart info
[7/15/2019 1:02 PM] stansimmons2031
Rich has done a LOT of minor electrical repairs to bring the existing wiring up to code, and he has been mapping out existing wires, in some cases creating new drops from wires left in the ceiling.
[7/15/2019 1:03 PM] stansimmons2031
We also had Bright Electric come out and do a panel swap and some other work, as well as map out how the heavy switches are setup.
[7/15/2019 1:04 PM] stansimmons2031
Rich is using that information, as well as info about Kilns, Machine shop equipment, etc. to map out where we need more electrical. He will be getting bids on that work as soon as possible
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[7/15/2019 1:04 PM] hon1nbo
@StanSimmons know if Rich has good enough notes to add the wiring to the cable map we're making in LucidChart?
[7/15/2019 1:05 PM] stansimmons2031
I suspect he does, he is very meticulous.
[7/15/2019 1:06 PM] stansimmons2031
@pearce please send me an email on which cubesmart units have been vacated. I need to close those out if we aren't expecting to use them again.
[7/15/2019 1:07 PM] stansimmons2031
... and were they swept out, ready for turning back over?
[7/15/2019 1:08 PM] canibalcrab
We still have to clean them so don't tell them we are closed yet
[7/15/2019 1:09 PM] stansimmons2031
I got a voice mail saying that at least one was unlocked
[7/15/2019 1:10 PM] stansimmons2031
unit 1001. I have more of the cylinder locks if needed
[7/15/2019 1:21 PM] canibalcrab
We got a new one and it still doesn't work well. 1001s lock on the door is garbage and new/old locks can't turn all the way
[7/15/2019 1:21 PM] canibalcrab
1001 is empty but absolutely needs sweeping
[7/15/2019 6:45 PM] canibalcrab
Man yesterday fucked me up. I couldn't finish my workout
[7/15/2019 6:46 PM] mell.jpg
Wasn't logistics enough of a workout?
[7/15/2019 6:47 PM] yashsedai
glutton for punishment he is
[7/15/2019 6:49 PM] canibalcrab
Gotta maintain the routine
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[7/16/2019 9:03 AM] im_steve
That's what I say every time I eat a donut
[7/16/2019 9:08 AM] aceat64
It's takes a lot of work to stay in shape
_round is a shape_
[7/16/2019 9:13 AM] im_steve
One of the best
[7/16/2019 9:39 AM] nullinterface
or as a former boss used to put it when lunch was delayed - *my stomach is **getting wrinkles***
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[7/16/2019 11:13 AM] adam1334
My watch died halfway through the Logistics day, and before my excercise ring had been closed. That's why I had to bail out of dinner quickly. I went home and got just enough charge into my watch to go for a run before midnight. Made my daily goal at 11:55pm!
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[7/16/2019 11:17 AM] adam1334
I'm on day 183 of hitting all of my Apple Leash (watch) goals. Half way to a year!
[7/16/2019 11:24 AM] mell.jpg
I'm really trying to get into lifting weights but get a bit overwhelmed by all the options. Been trying to follow a bunch of r/fitness sidebar stuff. But I've been consistently going to the gym 3-5 times a week for the last 3 months.
[7/16/2019 11:24 AM] mell.jpg
We should probably take this to #off_topic
[7/16/2019 12:34 PM] agr0090
lifting weights? There is plenty of stuff in warehouse that needs lifting into dumpster
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[7/16/2019 12:38 PM] yashsedai
she picks things up and puts them down
[7/17/2019 1:36 AM] canibalcrab
Found the guy who has had the giant bed sized wooden box on tables for months.
[7/17/2019 1:36 AM] canibalcrab
He said he wasn't storing it on the table
[7/17/2019 1:36 AM] canibalcrab
:hwhy:
[7/17/2019 1:40 AM] agr0090
"storing" vs "letting sit for days to cure"?
[7/17/2019 1:43 AM] yashsedai
what what what
[7/17/2019 1:43 AM] yashsedai
then wtf was he doing
[7/17/2019 1:43 AM] canibalcrab
Like 4 months
[7/17/2019 1:43 AM] canibalcrab
"Working on it"
[7/17/2019 1:43 AM] canibalcrab
Real fuckin slow
[7/17/2019 1:43 AM] yashsedai
...
[7/17/2019 1:44 AM] yashsedai
what about the person that has camped on the table closest to electronics?
[7/17/2019 1:44 AM] canibalcrab
The resin guy?
[7/17/2019 1:45 AM] yashsedai
aye
[7/17/2019 1:45 AM] canibalcrab
Same kind of shit. I have to find him and have a talk
[7/17/2019 1:45 AM] canibalcrab
But some of the tables he has squatted on are his
[7/17/2019 1:46 AM] yashsedai
ah
[7/17/2019 1:46 AM] yashsedai
wasn't fussing
[7/17/2019 1:46 AM] yashsedai
just curious
[7/17/2019 1:46 AM] canibalcrab
But he apparently has permission from someone
[7/17/2019 1:46 AM] yashsedai
lol
[7/17/2019 1:46 AM] yashsedai
permission eh?
[7/17/2019 1:46 AM] yashsedai
where is my sherrif emoji
[7/17/2019 1:47 AM] yashsedai
bah
[7/17/2019 1:57 AM] canibalcrab
Science would like some more lights installed in their area
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[7/17/2019 1:57 AM] canibalcrab
If someone wants to do an led replacement that will help them out a lot until I can get another light tray ordered
[7/17/2019 2:00 AM] yashsedai
lol
[7/17/2019 7:32 AM] nullinterface
a "light tray" ?
[7/17/2019 7:35 AM] canibalcrab
Box, housing, metal unit of holding
[7/17/2019 7:36 AM] nullinterface
new fixture
[7/17/2019 7:37 AM] canibalcrab
You say tomato I say potato
[7/17/2019 7:37 AM] canibalcrab
They requested a new fixture but I'm not sure we can just wire them in
[7/17/2019 7:38 AM] nullinterface
if it's at all like the other ~200 troffers in the building, it can be retro'ed to handle LED
[7/17/2019 7:38 AM] canibalcrab
It looks like we could just move the one closer to the shelf over and put the new LEDs in
[7/17/2019 7:38 AM] nullinterface
they'd also like ponies
[7/17/2019 7:54 AM] kenpurcell
With rainbows
[7/17/2019 11:01 AM] agr0090
Could put up the halogen work lights that were in off-site, a heater and lighting in one
[7/17/2019 11:53 AM] nullinterface
the light emitting resistor
[7/18/2019 1:56 PM] agr0090
Do we not have any functional ryobi rotary hammers?
[7/18/2019 1:56 PM] agr0090
I'm wondering if renting a larger rotary hammer / jack hammer would be worth it for breaking up the trebuchet weights
[7/18/2019 1:59 PM] agr0090
a 10 or 12 pound sledge might work too and not require 120v
[7/18/2019 1:59 PM] agr0090
does DMS have a sledge hammer?
[7/18/2019 2:08 PM] michaelb5250
Infrastructure bought a larger rotary hammer recently. It got used to break up the leveling under CA
[7/18/2019 2:12 PM] agr0090
What is your truck doing at 9:30pm tonight?
[7/18/2019 3:05 PM] hon1nbo
yeah the rotary lives in the 104 server closet
[7/18/2019 3:05 PM] hon1nbo
it's a nice big Bosch unit. SDS Max bits
[7/18/2019 3:05 PM] hon1nbo
not sure what bits are in the box with it
[7/18/2019 3:24 PM] michaelb5250
How about this weekend?
[7/18/2019 3:27 PM] agr0090
Sure (was a half joking question in how to exploit someone with a truck, feel free to say no, but it would be a good suspension test to put 1,100 pounds in the bed)
[7/18/2019 3:38 PM] michaelb5250
I'm down for it, just a bit of an ordeal for a weeknight.
[7/18/2019 3:45 PM] yashsedai
come now
[7/18/2019 3:45 PM] yashsedai
you have no life michaelb
[7/18/2019 3:45 PM] yashsedai
DMS IS YOUR LIFE
[7/18/2019 3:46 PM] sewingstuff2561
Lol
[7/18/2019 5:24 PM] agr0090
I got a carbide sawzall blade, may try to chop up rest of trebuchet metal tonight
[7/18/2019 5:25 PM] agr0090
@pearce are there any pallets of stuff I shouldn't throw away?
[7/18/2019 5:25 PM] canibalcrab
There's a pile of trash, the rest should belong to committees
[7/18/2019 5:25 PM] canibalcrab
I'm on the way up
[7/18/2019 5:26 PM] agr0090
was thinking of trying to clean up some of the non committee stuff
[7/18/2019 5:27 PM] agr0090
is there anything hazardous in an old fridge? I could chop that up
[7/18/2019 5:28 PM] canibalcrab
Just stench and refrigerant
[7/19/2019 3:06 PM] agr0090
@pearce Can we spend all of logistics july budget on this uline order?
4x https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-11460/Specialty-Paper/Butcher-Paper-Roll-White-30-x-1100
$220
6x https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-1023/Pallets/Industrial-Plastic-Pallet-48-x-40-Black
$246
4x https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-3325R/Utility-Carts/Uline-Flat-Shelf-Utility-Cart-44-x-25-x-33-Red?model=H-3325R&RootChecked=yes
$620
Could optionally not replace all the utility carts right now
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[7/19/2019 6:11 PM] stansimmons2031
I'm headed to home depot for stuff and things. Can I pick up blue tape for DMS while I'm there? @pearce
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[7/19/2019 7:59 PM] stansimmons2031
Too late....
[7/19/2019 8:02 PM] canibalcrab
Don't worry, my request for you to not make purchases for logistics would have prevented it.
[7/19/2019 9:22 PM] stansimmons2031
Thanks... dick
[7/19/2019 9:23 PM] stansimmons2031
I was asking as a courtesy to give you the option.... and your response is pure grade a dickishness.
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[7/19/2019 9:28 PM] canibalcrab
@AGr why do you think we need more carts right now?
[7/19/2019 9:29 PM] agr0090
So I can throw away the others and they would all match
[7/19/2019 9:31 PM] agr0090
And I think the size of those are better suited for our uses, would fit through doors
[7/19/2019 9:32 PM] redbeardedpirate
do they have a sturdier cart like that
[7/19/2019 9:32 PM] redbeardedpirate
the casters on those suck
[7/19/2019 9:36 PM] canibalcrab
While I appreciate matching them I think we can get more life out of the ones we have now
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[7/20/2019 5:34 PM] agr0090
@michaelb free tonight to haul some stuff to DMS?
[7/20/2019 5:34 PM] agr0090
@michaelb
[7/20/2019 5:45 PM] michaelb5250
Yup. I'm going to head over and work on truck AC. I'll be around for a while.
[7/21/2019 1:52 AM] agr0090
There is about one truckload left in unit 1000 if you don't count the tombstone table, a kiln, a shelf that can be chopped up, and some random small stuff
[7/21/2019 6:08 AM] canibalcrab
We got pegboard display shelving for the consumables shop
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[7/21/2019 12:48 PM] michaelb5250
Where are they going? In the galley still?
[7/21/2019 12:49 PM] agr0090
Could chop off back side and add feet so they are against wall, would we want to make them taller?
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[7/21/2019 1:30 PM] stansimmons2031
These were a donation from Mike Jury. He got them from Tree House, which has closed. I think he paid $20 for all 6, with shelves and hardware
[7/21/2019 1:34 PM] stansimmons2031
He said to use them as we saw fit. I think they would be great for the galley selling wall
[7/21/2019 1:57 PM] stephenie.
what is a galley selling wall?
[7/21/2019 1:59 PM] agr0090
The place to sell consumables using square kiosk
[7/21/2019 2:01 PM] stephenie.
thx
[7/21/2019 4:28 PM] canibalcrab
Yes I was thinking to cut the back shelf off like @AGr said. I didn't get time to see what that would take.
[7/21/2019 4:29 PM] canibalcrab
I want to also build a drawer for understocking
[7/21/2019 9:25 PM] judykriehn3727
Could one or two also be repurposed for tool racks in the Flex area?
[7/21/2019 9:59 PM] canibalcrab
The pegboard displays?
[7/21/2019 9:59 PM] canibalcrab
Probably
[7/21/2019 9:59 PM] canibalcrab
Would need some elevation or taller shelf bases
[7/22/2019 10:11 PM] yashsedai
Clay getting poked by metal I'm drunk now
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[7/22/2019 10:12 PM] yashsedai
Too good to pass up, sorry
[7/22/2019 10:12 PM] yashsedai
Hhahahaha
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[7/22/2019 10:34 PM] mell.jpg
Hahahaha
[7/22/2019 11:39 PM] axeonos
damn it @yashsedai dr pepper hurts going back up.
[7/22/2019 11:44 PM] yashsedai
Hehe glad to be of service
[7/22/2019 11:47 PM] judykriehn3727
You put the metal in the bag of clay and dry it all up...
[7/23/2019 8:33 AM] yashsedai
oh gawd
[7/23/2019 9:15 AM] nullinterface
it puts the bag in the bin or it gets the metal again
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[7/24/2019 2:38 PM] yashsedai
Hahahaha
[7/24/2019 8:57 PM] agr0090
@pearce slat wall or peg board in galley? Could setup slat wall now, pegboard requires building lower shelf and chopping steel frame bottom in half
[7/24/2019 8:58 PM] agr0090
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[7/24/2019 9:32 PM] agr0090
Need to find a service that will come pick up ~75 gallons of different cans of paint and finishes
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[7/24/2019 10:34 PM] sewingstuff2561
Aren’t computers infrastructure?
[7/24/2019 10:34 PM] stansimmons2031
Confused people....
[7/24/2019 10:40 PM] hon1nbo
@AGr we can take them in small batches as we make home depot/Lowe's runs. They'll usually dispose of some for customers if you drop it at customer service on your way in
[7/24/2019 10:40 PM] hon1nbo
At least that's what I've done for years. Haven't had to dispose of paint buckets myself in a year or two
[7/25/2019 12:26 AM] mizgeek
Lewisville residents can take them on 2nd Saturday
https://www.cityoflewisville.com/about-us/city-departments/public-services/trash-and-recycling-information/hazardous-household-waste-hhw
[7/25/2019 12:51 AM] hon1nbo
Officially, for household disposals only
[7/25/2019 12:52 AM] mizgeek
If you bring some home... they are in your house
😝
Just providing information.
[7/25/2019 7:29 AM] nullinterface
I disposed of ... *a lot* ... of 7.2AH lead-acid batteries at one of their hazardous waste days. A few eyebrows raised, but I was truthful - *I've acquired a number of old UPSs over the years*
[7/25/2019 3:48 PM] agr0090
How many of the black office chairs are we keeping? I'm thinking of making a large pile then meeting with a junk removal service to get a quote to take all the junk from warehouse (paint, old lights, extra cube walls, extra chairs, fridge)
[7/25/2019 3:50 PM] nullinterface
cube walls surely worth something to someone, however the vagaries of selling them ...
[7/25/2019 3:51 PM] agr0090
exactly, we are in process of enacting several new financial rules to restrict sale of assets, its not worth the risk of abuse to make a relatively tiny amount of money
[7/25/2019 3:55 PM] nullinterface
beg permission on the front end or someone else gets hit with paperwork on the backend when forgiveness is less likely to be forthcoming
[7/26/2019 4:11 PM] michaelb5250
So who's up for a recurring Amazon order for consumables. Least amount of work possible.
[7/26/2019 4:13 PM] agr0090
That would be good, its purchase agents with a credit card that are in short supply (they would still need to manually submit receipt for the automated purchase), from what I gather expensify (receipt submissions system) is fubared
[7/26/2019 4:14 PM] stansimmons2031
No they are not in short supply, @pearce just refuses to use one of them.
[7/26/2019 4:15 PM] stansimmons2031
Are we not in a cash crunch? Ordering online has been about 20% more expensive
[7/26/2019 4:19 PM] agr0090
Depends on if honorarium payments are still rising exponentially or if they decreased substantially from peak with recent changes
[7/26/2019 4:19 PM] agr0090
Was the recent changes both half pay out and a cap on total classes?
[7/26/2019 4:20 PM] michaelb5250
I believe so. It's a $50 total now, split between the teacher and committee, and a $15k cap
[7/26/2019 4:22 PM] agr0090
Also still testing my theory that membership number should level off and start rising again soon
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[7/26/2019 4:23 PM] agr0090
july will still have less revenue than june by ~$1,000
[7/27/2019 6:21 PM] stansimmons2031
Thank you @yashsedai for picking up the paper towels today.
[7/27/2019 6:21 PM] stansimmons2031
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/thank-you-freddy-for-the-paper-towels/60010
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[7/27/2019 6:26 PM] michaelb5250
Lol only 15?
[7/27/2019 6:32 PM] stansimmons2031
13 was all that would fit in the car... including the one in my lap. Should hold us for about 3 weeks
[7/28/2019 10:06 PM] noble_goblin
Good evening! Who is in charge of cleaning out lost and found periodically? And how often is it cleaned?
PR is going to begin setting up the lobby this week and while we have a space for it in the lobby, Lost and Found is overflowing with items that have been there for months.
[7/28/2019 10:08 PM] aceat64
We clean it out pretty much once a month when off-siting is done
[7/28/2019 10:08 PM] aceat64
At least that's the only time I know of
[7/28/2019 10:35 PM] agr0090
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[7/28/2019 10:35 PM] agr0090
Where does lost and found end?
[7/28/2019 10:38 PM] canibalcrab
It gets cleaned when we do off site days
[7/28/2019 10:38 PM] canibalcrab
That's definitely not all lost and found
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[7/28/2019 10:59 PM] agr0090
Everything was moved to pallet in warehouse, probably trash in 5 weeks
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[7/28/2019 11:00 PM] yashsedai
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[7/28/2019 11:00 PM] yashsedai
you are my hero
[7/28/2019 11:04 PM] agr0090
Lots may have been VR committee, will be sure to contact them before anything leaves DMS
[7/28/2019 11:12 PM] agr0090
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[7/28/2019 11:19 PM] merissa4308
What is VR committee?
[7/28/2019 11:21 PM] agr0090
Sig? No idea
[7/28/2019 11:27 PM] yashsedai
Thank you very much Brandon!
[7/29/2019 5:28 AM] noble_goblin
Y’all are amazing and I love y’all. 😍
[7/29/2019 5:28 AM] noble_goblin
VR is virtual reality. I don’t think anything was theirs as far as I could tell.
[7/29/2019 5:30 AM] noble_goblin
Only the stuff on the wooden shelves was lost and found. The blue bin was software developments. They are supposed to move it. The white shelves are PR and I’m not 100% on the tables contents.
I’ll let the other guys know tonight where to find everything just in case and I’ll let software dev know where the tub it. Thanks again!
[7/29/2019 5:32 AM] noble_goblin
Side note- would it be possible to donate the usable lost and found? I know there was a huge bag of cloth that sewing might like. I’m not sure of the rules for unclaimed property though.
If anyone sees a Panama embassy mug it’s mine and I’ve been looking for it since it was taken from the kitchen and never returned.
[7/29/2019 5:40 AM] andrew5152
Generally, we do not "re-allocate" anything (lost&found, project storage that is overdue, etc.) in those ways because it leads to accusations of impropriety and/or hurt feelings (imagine walking in to find "your" mug being used by another member because "it was on Lost&Found for 5 weeks and was about to be tossed out, but I just couldn't let this beautiful piece go to the garbage!"). This is, to my mind, one of the hardest things we have to do, throwing away perfectly good and usable stuff because {insert reason, but in the end, because some member didn't take responsibility for their stuff, instead leaving it for others to have to deal with}. It hurts all of us to have to throw away perfectly good stuff, but it's necessary...
[7/29/2019 7:07 AM] noble_goblin
Would it be possible to donate to another nonprofit? If there was a rule that clearly stated neglected items would be donated after X number of weeks/months then it would remove liability.
[7/29/2019 7:33 AM] judykriehn3727
...and sewing doesn’t want bags of old fabric.
In my experience, when fabric is donated, it’s usually pretty “meh” (not high quality fabric, “dated” color trends, etc) So it just gathers dust and takes up valuable floor space. People are always contacting my quilt guild when their sewing relatives die, wanting to pass on their stash. But we are already spending $$$ on a storage unit filled with old fabric.
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[7/29/2019 7:40 AM] andrew5152
I had no idea we are paying to store fabric...
[7/29/2019 7:43 AM] andrew5152
I like the idea of donating to another non profit. Good Will specifically once claimed to recycle all fabrics which could not be sold as-is, and claimed they loved doing it because it was actaullly beneficial to them... Point being, if it's actually beneficial to some other NPO to take our castoffs, I would love to see that happen, and suspect noone would stand the way of it, provided it _actually happens reliably_ ...
[7/29/2019 8:01 AM] mell.jpg
I think Judy was saying her quilt guild pays to store fabric. Not DMS.
[7/29/2019 8:02 AM] andrew5152
oh. 😊
[7/29/2019 8:05 AM] noble_goblin
There’s a craft resale store in Denton that might like it. Goodwill is for profit
[7/29/2019 8:13 AM] merissa4308
Know what VR stands for, just there is no such committee
[7/29/2019 8:17 AM] noble_goblin
You are correct! There are VR nerds in digital media.
[7/29/2019 8:23 AM] merissa4308
Gotcha, thanks!
[7/29/2019 8:32 AM] andrew5152
Goodwill is NPO as far as I can tell:
https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/allSearch.do?ein1=53-0196517&names=&resultsPerPage=25&indexOfFirstRow=0&dispatchMethod=searchAll&city=&state=All+States&country=US&postDateFrom=&postDateTo=&exemptTypeCode=al&deductibility=all&sortColumn=orgName&isDescending=false&submitName=Search
https://www.countryliving.com/shopping/a18198848/is-goodwill-a-nonprofit/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodwill_Industries
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If You Think Goodwill Charges Too Much for Used Clothing, You Need...
The truth about what the organization does with its $5.7 billion in revenue.
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Goodwill Industries International Inc., or shortened to Goodwill, (stylized as goodwill) is an American nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization that provides job training, employment placement services, and other community-based programs for people who have barriers preventing them ...
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[7/29/2019 8:32 AM] andrew5152
(not that I'm bucking for using them; they were just an example of someone who _claimed_ to do "the right thing" with donated textiles, in my opinion)
[7/29/2019 8:41 AM] noble_goblin
Ooohhhh thank you for that link!!
[7/29/2019 8:41 AM] noble_goblin
Last I heard was a few years back so is very well that they could have been less transparent and were attributed to be for profit
[7/29/2019 8:57 AM] andrew5152
what I'm able to find online says they were founded in 1902 as non-profit, and always have been. But my research is hardly exhaustive. But there was quite a smear campaign, apparently , in the last decade (I'm sure there've been others)
Here's the snope article: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/executive-salaries-charities/
and here's the pertinent bit to GoodWill excerpted on their site: https://www.goodwill.org/uncategorized/think-before-you-donate-and-get-the-facts-about-email-rumors/
and this quora article makes some good mentions: https://www.quora.com/Is-Goodwill-a-nonprofit-organization
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FACT CHECK: Executive Salaries in Charities
An article that compares the salaries of top executives of several large charitable organizations is mostly outdated and inaccurate.
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Think Before You Donate - and Get the Facts about Online Rumors! -...
Because Goodwill is widely known and respected as a network of nonprofits that fund job training and employment services through the sales of donated items in Goodwill stores, we sometimes stand in the line of fire from individuals and organizations who are misinformed and/o...
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Yes. You can look up the status of any U.S. organization at this website: Tax Exempt Organization Search. You can also consult the organization's website since most organizations will explicitly state this on their donation or about us pages. I'm ...
[7/29/2019 9:15 AM] noble_goblin
I like you. This is fascinating and I am thrilled to have learned more.
[7/29/2019 1:20 PM] judykriehn3727
SCRAP in Denton has also been overwhelmed with crap fabric. And crap in general. They are now picky about what they accept.
[7/29/2019 1:24 PM] nullinterface
Mount Carrollton always demands more bulk material
[7/29/2019 2:03 PM] mizgeek
I pay for a storage unit for my excess fabric. 😆 I’m slowly moving through it and moving it along. I usually bring it to the Free Shelf.
[7/29/2019 2:06 PM] mizgeek
Maybe I’ll just dump it all at Goodwill. Thought I wasn’t bringing it up there unless it was decent.
[7/29/2019 2:07 PM] mizgeek
It never seemed to last more than a couple days. Though I always announce on Talk what I’m taking up there.
[7/29/2019 2:08 PM] nullinterface
not sure how the 'shelf is run nowadays, but when I was Logistics Chair no small percentage of the contents of the 'shelf ended up contributing to the enduring glory of Mount Carrollton
[7/29/2019 2:12 PM] mizgeek
I figured if people saw on Talk that it was coming, they would grab if wanted. I never saw it languish. But I’ll just take it all to Goodwill and skip the shelf.
[7/29/2019 2:14 PM] nullinterface
a lot of what I pitched was just-barely-not-garbage like tech books on subjects that had well-and-truly died a decade ago, packaging bits and bobs, random well-used fasteners, unidentifiable random proprietary parts from consumer electronics / devices of 20+ years ago with no apparent re-purpose ...
[7/29/2019 2:16 PM] sewingstuff2561
It’s kind of hit or miss. We put a ton of denim on the free shelf that would have been great for a denim quilt.
[7/29/2019 2:17 PM] sewingstuff2561
But if someone doesn’t want to make a denim quilt or lots of tiny jeans.....
[7/29/2019 2:48 PM] judykriehn3727
Or groovy pieced denim suits ala 1970’s...
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[7/29/2019 2:52 PM] mizgeek
-laugh- Those are cute. Denim quilt might be cool. In my ren-faire costume days, I used denim as an inner base for corsets.
[7/29/2019 3:42 PM] lavarocks.
Oh no
[7/29/2019 3:43 PM] lavarocks.
I need a big people version of this
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[7/29/2019 5:33 PM] mizgeek
Start crocheting!
[7/29/2019 10:30 PM] lavarocks.
No, not a fiberholic.
[7/29/2019 10:51 PM] judykriehn3727
Come to the darkside... It's less awful than glitter rotisseries for thermal cups.
[7/29/2019 11:53 PM] aceat64
Y'all do know this is #logistics chat right? 🤣
[7/29/2019 11:54 PM] aceat64
Fiberholics taking over everything
[7/30/2019 12:47 AM] judykriehn3727
Yeah, we have no shame.
[7/30/2019 5:24 AM] andrew5152
I gotta say, glitter rotisseries for thermal cups sets the awful threshold pret-ty high. I'm not surprised crocheting an entire predator outfit in adult sizes skates under that bar. Probably doesn't even have to hum the limbo theme...
[7/30/2019 6:11 AM] noble_goblin
#fibergang4life
[7/30/2019 8:49 AM] judykriehn3727
FYI- there was a motorized glitter rotisserie doing its thing in the once and future wet classroom last night. They are a resin thing rather than a fiber thing, but @Lavarocks and lordrook both declared them “awful.”
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[7/30/2019 9:05 AM] lavarocks.
@aceat64 if I have to see coding posts in every committee...
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[7/30/2019 4:25 PM] canibalcrab
And now we wait for people to retag with new print outs
[7/30/2019 4:31 PM] aceat64
Even though that never works lol
[7/30/2019 4:32 PM] noble_goblin
Lololol yup. There should be a way to email people reminders
[7/30/2019 4:33 PM] canibalcrab
Definitely needed. But the offenders aren't forgetting. They are gaming the system by printing a new ticket when the month rolls over so when we check dates they look clear
[7/30/2019 4:34 PM] agr0090
whats process when we see a new ticket on previous project next sunday, instant move to locked room? (also I will be out of town this weekend)
[7/30/2019 4:45 PM] canibalcrab
Will probably depend on the offender list. If they have a record of overstaying I don't see why they shouldn't get put into the room
[7/30/2019 4:48 PM] mell.jpg
@NobleGoblin it's been time consuming but we've been calling every single expired tag the weekend before it gets off-sited. As a courtesy reminder.
[7/30/2019 5:33 PM] noble_goblin
@mell y’all are doin the lords work then. You should look into streamlining with requiring an email or Talk username when they get a ticket
[7/30/2019 5:34 PM] mell.jpg
It's being looked at.
[7/30/2019 5:54 PM] aceat64
No one really liked my idea of a 72 hour deadman switch for people using project storage
[7/30/2019 6:04 PM] judykriehn3727
I bet Roadrunner could come up with an Acme Solution for you.
[7/30/2019 6:11 PM] michaelb5250
Isn't Joe's stuff (wheels, struts, and valve covers) already out of date? I thought it was here last month
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[7/30/2019 6:14 PM] canibalcrab
Correct but it was tagged with an 8/4 tag and I couldn't call it otherwise
[7/30/2019 6:15 PM] canibalcrab
We now have dates on people currently using the storage
[7/30/2019 6:15 PM] canibalcrab
I'm not super worried about a new project going in today and getting a new tag, but people that have been there already are an issue
[8/1/2019 6:16 PM] denzuko
Donated a few screw bits
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[8/1/2019 6:21 PM] canibalcrab
Nice! Thanks
[8/1/2019 6:33 PM] nullinterface
PH2 - easily the most-used
[8/2/2019 12:36 AM] denzuko
yeah I noticed the more common ones have drifted into the aether so figured I'd donate a few extras
[8/2/2019 12:36 AM] denzuko
any other common sizes we could use?
[8/2/2019 6:59 AM] nullinterface
in lesser quantities: PH3 , PH1, T25, T20
[8/2/2019 6:59 AM] nullinterface
impact bits are good for all-around use
[8/2/2019 9:00 AM] denzuko
Cool, I'll shop around
[8/3/2019 4:12 PM] canibalcrab
YO LOGISTICS. tomorrow is tagging for storage and work day for the rest of the logistics areas. We need bodies to show up and help out around the space
[8/3/2019 4:49 PM] rayearth42
What time tomorrow?
[8/3/2019 5:01 PM] canibalcrab
2pm
[8/4/2019 12:24 PM] canibalcrab
If we are really motivated we could grab everything else from cubesmart except the giant table and then turn the cost over to leather working
[8/4/2019 1:28 PM] agr0090
Take a sawzall to deconstruct the two shelves, there is not much on them
[8/4/2019 2:16 PM] doug.emes
Why cant the table be koved to the warehouse temporarily?
[8/4/2019 2:17 PM] agr0090
Whoever wants to move it can do that
[8/4/2019 2:55 PM] michaelb5250
@doug.emes I think logistics has a weight limit for the committee storage service and the table greatly exceeds it.
[8/6/2019 12:00 AM] axeonos
@pearce dunno if you saw talk but the printer is out of paper again. When you can we needs more printer food for ink stuffs
[8/6/2019 12:00 AM] canibalcrab
i saw, im not sure where its kept. but we can find more
[8/6/2019 12:01 AM] agr0090
could unexcellently steal receipt paper from a different receipt printer
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[8/6/2019 12:02 AM] aceat64
is there not more in the logistics closet? I could have sworn I saw some
[8/6/2019 6:48 AM] alerho
That paper was usually in the hall cabinets where water fountains are now. Need to check cabinets above the fountains.
[8/6/2019 6:50 AM] alerho
Just saw talk and Stan found them.
[8/6/2019 11:13 AM] aceat64
I'm kinda thinking it would make sense to just stock rolls of paper towels
[8/6/2019 11:13 AM] aceat64
instead of rolls and multi-folds
[8/6/2019 11:15 AM] agr0090
Yeah that's left over from when I switched to stocking only multifold, better to stick with just one
[8/6/2019 11:18 AM] aceat64
also, since we've got the logistics/supply room, we should consolidate everything to there
[8/6/2019 11:19 AM] aceat64
that'll make it easier for people to know where to grab re-stock from
[8/6/2019 11:20 AM] michaelb5250
Iirc the z folds are like half the price.
[8/6/2019 11:22 AM] aceat64
I was also thinking, since we have a camera in there, maybe we could do a color coded "restock needed" sign, basically just a simple piece of paper for each good stocked, one green side and one red side
[8/6/2019 11:22 AM] aceat64
green == good, red == restock needed
[8/6/2019 11:22 AM] aceat64
simple way to let Pearce know what should be ordered
[8/6/2019 11:22 AM] aceat64
other than stuff we have on auto-order
[8/6/2019 11:22 AM] lavarocks.
You could have a clipboard on the doot
[8/6/2019 11:22 AM] lavarocks.
Door
[8/6/2019 11:23 AM] lavarocks.
Old school
[8/6/2019 11:23 AM] aceat64
someone would have to check the clipboard though, if Pearce can see the stock levels remote, he can order at any time
[8/6/2019 11:23 AM] michaelb5250
I'm still a fan of Amazon subscriptions. Then no one has to check stock levels
[8/6/2019 11:23 AM] lavarocks.
Could we just hire a mime bbn to stay in there at all times telling us what we need through video?
[8/6/2019 11:24 AM] aceat64
@michaelb agreed, I'm thinking more for the stuff that we don't auto-order
[8/6/2019 11:25 AM] lavarocks.
Dont ignore my idea, it was valid
[8/6/2019 11:25 AM] aceat64
_slowly backs away_
[8/6/2019 11:25 AM] lavarocks.
But huzzah, you're caught in an invisible box!
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[8/6/2019 11:26 AM] lavarocks.
I hate mimes
[8/6/2019 11:26 AM] michaelb5250
They're just not my type
[8/6/2019 11:27 AM] lavarocks.
Ted Cruz was a mime...that's all I need to know about their ilk.
[8/6/2019 11:37 AM] aceat64
here's a quick sheet I threw together, I've started adding some amazon subscription links
[8/6/2019 11:37 AM] aceat64
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Item,Notes,Order Frequency,URL
Trash Bags (33-gal),250-count,1/month,https://www.amazon.com/Reli-Easy-Trash-Gallon-Count/dp/B07H8R5V3G
Paper Towels (rolls),24-count, flex-a-size,10/month,
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[8/6/2019 11:37 AM] aceat64
I'm not super worried about the frequency/amount since we'll need to tweak that as we go
[8/6/2019 11:38 AM] aceat64
once Pearce has a purchase card he'll be able to set those up
[8/6/2019 11:39 AM] aceat64
playing telephone with the purchasing agents hasn't been super great, this should be much better
[8/6/2019 11:40 AM] stansimmons2031
I'll be happier if ANYTHING starts getting purchased on a regular basis.... playing telephone with purchasing agents ISN'T the problem
[8/6/2019 11:41 AM] aceat64
lets try to keep this positive and forward focused
[8/6/2019 11:41 AM] stansimmons2031
Since Pearce won't work with me, and apparently won't work with Art either, Freddy has had a card for quite some time and could have setup orders at any time.
[8/6/2019 11:42 AM] aceat64
and as Freddy said on Talk, he dropped the ball before with stuff Pearce asked him to buy, but again, lets focus on moving forward not being upset about the immutable past
[8/6/2019 11:43 AM] stansimmons2031
and I'm positive that it shouldn't have taken 3 months to get things going
[8/6/2019 11:43 AM] aceat64
Stan, please stop
[8/6/2019 11:43 AM] aceat64
we're trying to be productive and you're just beating a dead horse
[8/6/2019 11:44 AM] agr0090
Idea for multifold was not just that they are cheaper per sheet, buy I don't like the look of random rolls on every table, can hard mount a multifold dispenser on wall next to wherever they are needed and they would always be available in same place
[8/6/2019 11:44 AM] aceat64
I'm not against the multi-folds if it makes sense
[8/6/2019 11:44 AM] aceat64
we have those dispensers in the bathrooms already
[8/6/2019 11:44 AM] stansimmons2031
Rolls are much easier to dispense for the common folks.
[8/6/2019 11:45 AM] aceat64
I never liked stocking the z/multi because they're kinda unwieldy to stack up
[8/6/2019 11:45 AM] aceat64
dropped a whole stack once, that was fun
[8/6/2019 11:46 AM] stansimmons2031
And people never use just one, they usually grab a handful
[8/6/2019 11:47 AM] michaelb5250
Yeah but they also make the space feel a bit more like a commercial location and less like someone's home
[8/6/2019 11:48 AM] michaelb5250
If y'all want I can laser cut some z fold dispensers that can be carried around
[8/6/2019 11:49 AM] aceat64
that might be kinda cool actually, also shows off the makery aspect of the space
[8/6/2019 11:49 AM] stansimmons2031
We tried zfold everywhere back when Brandon put the dispensers all over the place... they were pretty universally disliked over rolls.
[8/6/2019 11:49 AM] aceat64
"sure we could buy paper towel holders, but this is a _makerspace_"
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[8/6/2019 11:50 AM] canibalcrab
I remember they were just hard to stock
[8/6/2019 11:50 AM] canibalcrab
Because people couldnt open the security dispencers
[8/6/2019 11:50 AM] nullinterface
took some dexterity to load
[8/6/2019 11:51 AM] nullinterface
on the other hand the bathroom dispensers sure held a cr_pload of them
[8/6/2019 11:51 AM] stansimmons2031
They were very poorly designed
[8/6/2019 11:51 AM] stansimmons2031
.. the uline ones
[8/6/2019 11:51 AM] michaelb5250
So on one hand we've got difficult to load and non portable
[8/6/2019 11:51 AM] michaelb5250
On another we've got cheaper and can load more into a dispenser
[8/6/2019 11:52 AM] nullinterface
the utility closet dispenser was sh_t - the key vanished almost immediately and I ended up hacking the latch to just sort of hold
[8/6/2019 11:52 AM] aceat64
if we've got non-security locked ones, should be easier to load
[8/6/2019 11:52 AM] nullinterface
guessing that dispenser has since gone to greener pastures
[8/6/2019 11:52 AM] canibalcrab
Because we are relying on volunteers to restock them when needed a latch seems like the better option
[8/6/2019 11:52 AM] nullinterface
bathrooms have inbuilt z-fold dispensers
[8/6/2019 11:53 AM] stansimmons2031
We tried attaching a key to each dispenser, but one would disappear, then someone would take one from a working dispenser and then two would be missing keys.... and so on
[8/6/2019 11:53 AM] michaelb5250
A key also doesn't sound like a sticking point for a makerspace. Replace the cylinder with a 3d print, or just keep a set of rakes next to the lock
[8/6/2019 11:54 AM] stansimmons2031
The two ADA toilets in 102 do not have built in zfold
[8/6/2019 11:54 AM] canibalcrab
Lol
[8/6/2019 11:54 AM] canibalcrab
Lock picking practice with the rusty lock picks
[8/6/2019 11:55 AM] nullinterface
if we can just get VCC to have lockpicking 'practice' thrice weekly ...
[8/6/2019 11:55 AM] stansimmons2031
I'm pretty sure all the others do have zfold
[8/6/2019 11:55 AM] aceat64
despite cost/density being worse, a rolls-only system would be simplier, easier for random members to stock, etc
[8/6/2019 11:55 AM] canibalcrab
I was thinking you could replace the cylinder with a 1/2" steel rod with a tab on the end that mimics the cylinder
[8/6/2019 11:56 AM] nullinterface
there are cr_ptastic cylinder locks sold on the 'zon that all use the same key
[8/6/2019 11:56 AM] canibalcrab
Then it's just a latch and it can be changed back later at little cost
[8/6/2019 11:56 AM] nullinterface
I'd say *epoxy the key in place* but we know better
[8/6/2019 11:57 AM] michaelb5250
I can definitely see someone breaking the key with it glued inside lol
[8/6/2019 11:59 AM] nullinterface
there are also latches in the cylinder lock formfactor
[8/6/2019 12:01 PM] yashsedai
I'm of the strong opinion that dispensers force people to actually put some thought in the process vis grabbing a shitpile full
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[8/6/2019 12:01 PM] canibalcrab
*armfulls of rolls*
[8/6/2019 12:01 PM] yashsedai
They make dispensers with push buttons instead of key latches
[8/6/2019 12:02 PM] yashsedai
Even if we put up 20 damn dispensers
[8/6/2019 12:02 PM] yashsedai
I think in the end it would be cheaper
[8/6/2019 12:03 PM] michaelb5250
Worst we can do is try it for a bit and revert back
[8/6/2019 12:24 PM] stansimmons2031
Is Logistics going to get rid of the Cintas Toilet Paper? (Please!)
[8/6/2019 12:25 PM] canibalcrab
We were looking into the contract with them. It was unfortunately signed for a long time. I think we could trade out the tp for something else though
[8/6/2019 12:25 PM] stansimmons2031
If you look closely, I don't think the contract had the start date filled out. It could likely be broken
[8/6/2019 12:26 PM] stansimmons2031
That is what somebody was saying a couple of months agon
[8/6/2019 12:27 PM] canibalcrab
It didn't have a spot for the start date at all. And yes that was one of the things being looked into
[8/6/2019 12:28 PM] stansimmons2031
I kinda like the automatice soap and paper towel dispensers, but if we lose those to get rid of the John Wayne TP, I'll be happy.
[8/6/2019 12:29 PM] stansimmons2031
That stuff could double as 80 grit in the woodshop!
[8/6/2019 12:30 PM] yashsedai
So, i've priced out the Georgia Pacific enmotion papertowel dispensers
[8/6/2019 12:30 PM] yashsedai
They run 58.36 per dispenser
[8/6/2019 12:30 PM] yashsedai
Papertowels come in 800ft hardwound rolls
[8/6/2019 12:31 PM] stansimmons2031
Similar to the Cintas dispensers?
[8/6/2019 12:31 PM] yashsedai
These are the gold standard in industry and they just fucking work,
[8/6/2019 12:31 PM] yashsedai
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[8/6/2019 12:31 PM] yashsedai
anyways
[8/6/2019 12:31 PM] yashsedai
its 85.20 per package of 6 rolls
[8/6/2019 12:32 PM] yashsedai
Each roll holds roughly the equivalent of 3/4 of a package of paper towels
[8/6/2019 12:32 PM] yashsedai
Initial cost per station is 72.20
[8/6/2019 12:32 PM] yashsedai
Refil is approx 14 per roll
[8/6/2019 12:33 PM] yashsedai
What I am getting at here is that even if we put up an assload of machines, cost is relatively low
[8/6/2019 12:33 PM] yashsedai
Also the machine is adjustable for qty, delay, etc
[8/6/2019 12:33 PM] yashsedai
This is grainger pricing so they can obviously be had cheaper
[8/6/2019 12:35 PM] yashsedai
they claim a battery life of 200 rolls
[8/6/2019 12:35 PM] yashsedai
its 4 d batteries
[8/6/2019 12:35 PM] yashsedai
even if we halved that that cost is negligble
[8/6/2019 12:40 PM] nullinterface
better than the battery dispensers at my workplace that are lucky to go 2 weeks
[8/6/2019 12:40 PM] nullinterface
probably not worth the effort to spring for rechargeable cells
[8/6/2019 12:41 PM] nullinterface
although Tanners had some nonsense like **14**Ah NiMH D cells the other day
[8/6/2019 12:44 PM] alerho
We use those enmotion at work and they are great.
[8/6/2019 12:45 PM] aesuna
Yeah I've had pretty good experiences with the ones that my workplace has too.
[8/6/2019 12:47 PM] judykriehn3727
Others hate them, but I love the Xlerator air dryers. Whatching the skin on the backs of my hands wobble around always reminds me of the video footage of the faces of pilots breaking the sound barrier.
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[8/6/2019 1:40 PM] lavarocks.
They spray poop
[8/6/2019 1:46 PM] michaelb5250
Mythbusters tested that... Turns out paper towels and dryers are equally messy (not messy), assuming everyone uses soap.
When not everyone used soap, the dryers were messier.
[8/6/2019 1:47 PM] michaelb5250
So yeah paper towels are probably better for DMS.
[8/6/2019 1:51 PM] lavarocks.
Use your pants like a normal Human
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[8/6/2019 2:46 PM] judykriehn3727
So I was at IKEA. The restrooms located under the stairs between top floor and bottom floor had no soap dispensers to be seen. Yet still had the admonition that employees had to wash their hands before returning to work. ?????
[8/6/2019 3:50 PM] lavarocks.
Uh, maybe it's in the keurflingem
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[8/6/2019 3:53 PM] nullinterface
rinsing > nothing
[8/8/2019 10:33 AM] nullinterface
bring back powdered soap and the long loop of denim-like cloth for drying hands
[8/8/2019 10:35 AM] nullinterface
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[8/8/2019 10:43 AM] aceat64
:jfc:
[8/8/2019 11:40 AM] yashsedai
Hell ya
[8/8/2019 11:40 AM] yashsedai
Mechanical towels
[8/8/2019 12:00 PM] rayearth42
🤔
[8/8/2019 12:08 PM] canibalcrab
Do those at least have some sort of uv system in the top?
[8/8/2019 12:21 PM] yashsedai
Haha no
[8/8/2019 12:21 PM] canibalcrab
Bleh
[8/8/2019 1:41 PM] judykriehn3727
They were especially fun when you were at a big event and the towel had made the circuit multiple times. You could get wetter hands while drying them
[8/8/2019 1:42 PM] nullinterface
the *more* modern version of those is Supposed To™ not actually be a loop - instead retracting a strip into the body of the "dispenser" and the whole thing is washed, dryed, returned to service
[8/8/2019 1:43 PM] nullinterface
but when I was a kid I swear they were just ~5' circumference loops that ran through a wringer
[8/8/2019 2:04 PM] yashsedai
Lolol
[8/8/2019 2:04 PM] yashsedai
Is true
[8/8/2019 3:36 PM] canibalcrab
Has anyone used the Ryobi one+ 6Ah batteries?
[8/8/2019 3:36 PM] canibalcrab
Too big for the form factor? Or should we stock a few
[8/8/2019 3:37 PM] aceat64
I think I have two of them
[8/8/2019 3:38 PM] aceat64
I recently got two of the newer style, just don't recall the Ah
[8/8/2019 3:41 PM] nullinterface
6Ah are same size as 4Ah / 3Ah
[8/8/2019 3:42 PM] nullinterface
it's the 9Ah that's the enormous 3P5S
[8/8/2019 3:43 PM] nullinterface
for whatever reason Ryobi stuck with 18650s, which are costly for >2.5Ah high-rate cells
[8/8/2019 3:43 PM] yashsedai
Yep
[8/8/2019 3:43 PM] nullinterface
21700 looks to be the future of cylindrical cells
[8/8/2019 3:44 PM] canibalcrab
So you think it's worth getting some 6Ah?
[8/8/2019 3:44 PM] nullinterface
but maybe they got some hand-me-down contracts from Milwaukee and secured a sweet supply at their price point
[8/8/2019 3:44 PM] nullinterface
if they're cheaper than the usual $120/pair price, sure
[8/8/2019 3:45 PM] nullinterface
the 3Ah packs that they occasionally do promos on may be better bargains - 2P5S with 1.5Ah cells, where the market produces the obscenely high C rates
[8/8/2019 3:46 PM] canibalcrab
I'd love to buy on promos, but I need to do a restock nowish
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[8/8/2019 3:47 PM] nullinterface
are they doing twofer deals anywhere?
[8/8/2019 3:48 PM] nullinterface
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[8/8/2019 3:48 PM] nullinterface
about $40 a battery
[8/8/2019 3:49 PM] canibalcrab
Unfortunately none locally
[8/8/2019 3:49 PM] canibalcrab
Might do a split order them online and get expensive bandaid ones now
[8/8/2019 3:50 PM] nullinterface
"Free ship to store for pickup" per website. Dunno if that actually means stock or no.
[8/8/2019 3:51 PM] aceat64
Says 13th-16th
[8/8/2019 3:51 PM] nullinterface
I'd loan DMS some of my fleet but I suspect the depreciation upon return would be significant
[8/8/2019 3:53 PM] nullinterface
couple of times I've ordered from home despot dot com I got the impression they're just waiting to be subsumed by amazon
[8/8/2019 10:07 PM] aceat64
All but 4 of the batteries are actually still testing ok and charging
[8/8/2019 10:08 PM] aceat64
I think people might be confused on the led indicators
[8/8/2019 10:08 PM] aceat64
Solid red is fine, it means it's waiting it's turn to charge (it only does one at a time)
[8/8/2019 10:08 PM] aceat64
Fading from red to off and back means it's bad
[8/8/2019 10:16 PM] agr0090
Can we replace the missing charger? were originally 3 of the 6 battery chargers on the wall
[8/8/2019 10:17 PM] canibalcrab
What happened to it
[8/8/2019 10:17 PM] agr0090
don't know
[8/8/2019 10:18 PM] agr0090
$70 https://www.homedepot.com/p/RYOBI-18-Volt-ONE-6-Port-Dual-Chemistry-IntelliPort-SUPERCHARGER-with-USB-Port-P135/206892719
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[8/8/2019 10:27 PM] nullinterface
One has been wandering around the 102 workshop
[8/8/2019 10:28 PM] agr0090
might need to herd all ryobi things back to the one and only tool wall where things should be returned to
[8/8/2019 10:29 PM] nullinterface
Wish Ryobi would update those 6-bay chargers to do more of them concurrently. Also be nice if it could serve as a UPS.
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[8/8/2019 11:16 PM] yashsedai
Woot woot
[8/8/2019 11:27 PM] canibalcrab
Need to grab new air lines for the Ryobi air pumps
[8/8/2019 11:28 PM] canibalcrab
I guess?
[8/8/2019 11:51 PM] yashsedai
have they ever actually been used?
[8/9/2019 1:16 AM] canibalcrab
Impact we bought was used, and dead. Gotta return it
[8/9/2019 8:18 AM] nullinterface
weird. the 3Ah packs I procured are the same physical size as my 4Ah packs, which are the same size as the 6Ah packs.
[8/9/2019 8:26 AM] nullinterface
Ryobi further confusing the market with "Lithium+" 3Ah packs in a different formfactor than the newer sekzier "+HP" packs?
[8/9/2019 6:26 PM] mell.jpg
Offsiting day on Sunday! 🎉🎊 I'm going to try to get there early to make a bunch of boxes so we're good to get down to work ASAP. Do we have boxes still? Or need to get someone to buy some more?
[8/9/2019 7:02 PM] agr0090
We have a lot of boxes, in corner where vector used to be
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[8/9/2019 7:34 PM] canibalcrab
Correct
[8/10/2019 12:18 PM] agr0090
@michaelb think it would be possible to load granite table into your truck with some ratchet straps and inclined planes? As long as tailgate supported it
[8/10/2019 12:19 PM] agr0090
Renting a small trailer would be much safer
[8/10/2019 12:28 PM] agr0090
I could rent van from HD tomorrow, only a 28 inch high load floor, with a floor jack shouldn't be hard
[8/10/2019 12:41 PM] canibalcrab
If you want to clear the rest of the stuff out of the storage unit do that. If leather working has to pay for the unit they will be more inclined to actually move it.
[8/10/2019 12:44 PM] agr0090
I can clear it all and put that table in the middle of CA
[8/10/2019 12:59 PM] canibalcrab
I don't think it's all ca stuff
[8/10/2019 1:33 PM] joshw0263
@pearce do you want 5 of these for free on casters nice sturdy table.
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[8/10/2019 1:47 PM] judykriehn3727
The only thing any of the current CA people know about in storage is the granite table for leather. I think Shay was going to check with Mike Churchill (@HankCowdog) to see if he's still in town long enough to do the transfer, since he picked it up from the original donor and placed into storage for leatherworking originally. Please do not dump random stuff in our area without confirming that it is in fact ours.
[8/10/2019 1:49 PM] agr0090
Right, no dumping, just carefully placing in a location on casters
[8/10/2019 2:19 PM] canibalcrab
@JoshW those are nice tables where are they located and how would transport work?
[8/10/2019 2:34 PM] lavarocks.
@AGr if you ever have questions about ca stuff, please text or call me. I'll pm you my info. I'm attached to my phone but not always online.
[8/10/2019 2:56 PM] judykriehn3727
Dear @filler of dumpsters: harrumph. Virtual stink eye at the sarcasm.
[8/10/2019 3:10 PM] kentamanos
@pearce , GUESSING @JoshW is talking about them being at this warehouse: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/super-ware-house-sale-and-free-wood/60580
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Super ware house sale and free wood
super ware house sale different items make an offer type deal free used 2x10 lumber used for axe throwing All at 418 e jones st lewisville tx 75057 warehouse with the 2 big silver stacks today till 6 pm and again wednessday 8 to 5 come get a treasure our lose your gain
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[8/10/2019 4:47 PM] michaelb5250
@AGr it'll fit in the truck but maybe next weekend. Thinking of putting some plywood or something in the bed to protect the actually pristine 1973 bed floor.
[8/10/2019 8:26 PM] agr0090
Headed to storage unit to chop up shelves so they will fit in dumpster
[8/10/2019 8:38 PM] canibalcrab
The shitty ones? Like 12"deep
[8/10/2019 8:49 PM] agr0090
Yeah, the wobbly old larger personal storage ones
[8/10/2019 8:50 PM] agr0090
Can you remind me of the code so I don't have to search through my phone for it?
[8/10/2019 8:54 PM] agr0090
Found it
[8/10/2019 9:00 PM] agr0090
For reference the leather working table is 49 inches tall, 49 inches long, 31 inches wide
[8/10/2019 9:33 PM] agr0090
Should always fully weld joints
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[8/10/2019 10:08 PM] agr0090
This is not allowed
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[8/10/2019 10:10 PM] canibalcrab
generally we dont have a good place to dry stuff
[8/10/2019 10:11 PM] canibalcrab
the new tables were supposed to resolve that
[8/10/2019 10:14 PM] canibalcrab
so long as they return soon it should be okay, i cant make out the notes
[8/10/2019 10:16 PM] aceat64
looks like tonight (8/10)
[8/10/2019 10:18 PM] yashsedai
Top one says
"Finish Drying
Return 8/10 in AM
240-506-2636"
[8/10/2019 10:19 PM] yashsedai
Bottom one says
"Glue drying
will return in
evening 8/10
Paul (936)645-6266"
[8/10/2019 10:31 PM] agr0090
My hope would be put it on pallet in project storage or under table to dry
[8/10/2019 10:34 PM] agr0090
Should I combine paint from dry goods room onto this pallet or put pallet contents in dry goods room?
[8/10/2019 10:34 PM] agr0090
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[8/10/2019 10:35 PM] agr0090
Need to make pallet room for all these toxic chemicals
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[8/10/2019 10:53 PM] judykriehn3727
what's in the boxes in front of the table?
[8/10/2019 11:13 PM] agr0090
Lots and lots of water damage destroyed telephones
[8/11/2019 9:25 AM] judykriehn3727
That’s an odd thing to be storing... and definitely doesn’t belong to CA.
[8/11/2019 9:35 AM] canibalcrab
We moved a metric fuck ton of phones that were stored off site for some reason
[8/11/2019 10:12 AM] nullinterface
Oh I think we know whose phones those were
[8/11/2019 10:14 AM] yashsedai
lol
[8/11/2019 10:51 AM] stansimmons2031
They were phones that Brooks donated from the company he worked for. They were extras that matched the ones we had here. Brooks is the one that stored them there.
[8/11/2019 10:52 AM] stansimmons2031
If they are water damaged, then dumpster them.
[8/11/2019 1:05 PM] agr0090
Got van and half a liter of water, headed to storage unit
[8/11/2019 1:13 PM] agr0090
Filled dumpster last night, so will probably have to stage stuff in warehouse before filling dumpster again
[8/11/2019 1:20 PM] canibalcrab
Gotta uphold the name
[8/11/2019 1:44 PM] mell.jpg
Heading to space now. Oops. Didn't get there early at all.
[8/11/2019 1:44 PM] mell.jpg
Or should we head to storage unit. Need help @AGr ?
[8/11/2019 2:18 PM] canibalcrab
Space. He's in the workshop now
[8/11/2019 2:19 PM] agr0090
Headed back to unit for final load now
[8/11/2019 2:55 PM] agr0090
Was dumb to think I could move table without a low trailer and dollies and 4 people
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[8/11/2019 2:55 PM] agr0090
Congrats CA on your new leather working storage locker
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[8/11/2019 2:58 PM] alerho
I can head back with you later.
[8/11/2019 3:05 PM] agr0090
We can prorate this month and only charge creative arts $100 for August storage
[8/11/2019 3:07 PM] agr0090
I'm unloading in warehouse then returning van
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[8/11/2019 5:22 PM] agr0090
Cut list for mk1 attempt
[8/11/2019 6:25 PM] agr0090
I cut plywood but then got hungry, will complete first two some night this week
[8/11/2019 7:04 PM] canibalcrab
Let me know and I can try and come up
[8/12/2019 9:34 AM] judykriehn3727
@pearce : Mike Churchill can p/u the table from storage for leatherworking TONIGHT but needs to know how to access the unit (key?) and unit number. And gate code.
I added you to a pm on TALK. If you can respond there, would be most grateful.
[8/12/2019 1:01 PM] agr0090
Still on the fence if using the 2x4s is worth it, putting a 3/4" sheet across bottom seems like a good idea.
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[8/12/2019 1:07 PM] michaelb5250
What's the idea with the 3/4" sheet?
[8/12/2019 1:08 PM] agr0090
need something to tie the front two 2x4 together, intially I had a 2" tall strip of plywood across the bottom front face. With the 3/4" sheet could either put doors on it or place drawers sitting on the plywood
[8/12/2019 1:09 PM] canibalcrab
Place for the slides too
[8/12/2019 1:09 PM] agr0090
cut reuse the plywood chopped up from other side but then it would be a couple inches from reaching the back
[8/12/2019 1:10 PM] canibalcrab
With that question I now understand that your drawers on wheels idea was wheels on floor
[8/12/2019 1:12 PM] michaelb5250
@pearce yup
[8/12/2019 1:12 PM] agr0090
assuming the front legs need lateral bracing, could do something like this and then still have drawer on wheels on floor
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[8/12/2019 1:12 PM] michaelb5250
The only thing that might splay is the front 2x4s in the long direction. Everything else is captured by the side sheeting.
[8/12/2019 1:13 PM] michaelb5250
And since those 2x4s are under the least load, I think we can safely assume they'll be fine and leave the bottom with nothing
[8/12/2019 1:14 PM] canibalcrab
I like the second option
[8/12/2019 1:14 PM] michaelb5250
Though probably just build it however and we can add/remove the plywood if needed
[8/12/2019 1:16 PM] agr0090
@michaelb as resident take advantage of the truck guy, would you have time to pick up 4 or 6 8' 2x4s https://www.homedepot.com/p/2-in-x-4-in-x-96-in-Premium-Kiln-Dried-Whitewood-Stud-161640/202091220
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[8/12/2019 1:16 PM] agr0090
would be easier than reusing random pieces
[8/12/2019 1:22 PM] canibalcrab
I'd like to minimize spending if we have the stock
[8/12/2019 1:24 PM] agr0090
I'll pay for $12 in 2x4s, easily worth time saved pulling pieces from the bottom of the pile
[8/12/2019 1:25 PM] canibalcrab
That's fair, I hadn't considered the price of 2x4s. But also thought there was more purchasing looming than $12
[8/12/2019 1:30 PM] michaelb5250
No problem. I'll try and grab them tonight
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[8/12/2019 1:59 PM] agr0090
Could make each drawer on wheels out of 1 sheet of 1/2" with this much extra (rough dimensions to account for blade width), would just use glue + kreg pocket screws to assemble
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[8/12/2019 2:06 PM] agr0090
will need to measure height of wheels, something like this
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[8/12/2019 2:06 PM] hon1nbo
Was catching up on things since I've been on travel. @AGr what was the shelving from last month's board meeting? My understanding was that we had plenty of shelving for those bins
[8/12/2019 2:08 PM] agr0090
To place black and yellow large bins on for a new rental based personal storage (distinct and seperate from project storage). We have lots of 4' deep pallet racks, but those are excessive to place the 24.75" deep on bottom black and yellow bins on
[8/12/2019 2:09 PM] hon1nbo
ok, the depth difference is what I didn't know about
[8/12/2019 2:09 PM] hon1nbo
thanks
[8/12/2019 6:00 PM] judykriehn3727
@pearce made you a more legible sign for free shelf
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[8/12/2019 6:05 PM] canibalcrab
Excellent! Thank you for doing that!
[8/12/2019 6:09 PM] draco_the_drake
Awesome Judy ... Thanks
[8/12/2019 7:32 PM] michaelb5250
@AGr no truck tonight, another sunk float
[8/12/2019 8:11 PM] judykriehn3727
Made a long version as well with the vinyl that the cutter chewed up.
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[8/12/2019 8:13 PM] judykriehn3727
Both are parked at the end of the shelf. Presumably one of the logistics minions can hang them up?
[8/12/2019 8:14 PM] judykriehn3727
I think the higher up the better.
[8/12/2019 8:25 PM] axeonos
Those signs are nice. Good job
[8/12/2019 8:32 PM] draco_the_drake
Have to seen the signs she made for CA?
[8/12/2019 8:47 PM] judykriehn3727
They aren’t hung yet
[8/12/2019 8:50 PM] canibalcrab
can do
[8/12/2019 10:52 PM] judykriehn3727
(The not hung yet comment was in reference to CA signs, fyi)
[8/12/2019 10:53 PM] mizgeek
I thought “not hung” was just a straight line out for our amusement. 😁
[8/13/2019 9:17 AM] lavarocks.
Whoa, out of context that seems so strange
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[8/13/2019 2:40 PM] nullinterface
my mind went dark places with that. I'm blaming the sleep dep.
[8/13/2019 2:57 PM] yashsedai
sleep is for the weak
[8/13/2019 2:57 PM] yashsedai
and the old
[8/13/2019 2:57 PM] yashsedai
and me!
[8/13/2019 4:09 PM] agr0090
thinking of working on drawer thing for pegboard around 10pm tonight assuming cnc router is available. Should just be cut 2 sheets on router, cut some 2x4s, and assemble
[8/13/2019 4:13 PM] canibalcrab
I might still be there
[8/13/2019 4:51 PM] michaelb5250
I can probably have the 2x4s over tonight
[8/13/2019 4:55 PM] agr0090
I picked up some in my car, just had to get them cut in half there
[8/13/2019 5:05 PM] michaelb5250
Oh sweet.
[8/14/2019 2:17 AM] agr0090
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[8/14/2019 2:17 AM] agr0090
Mocked up upside down pedestal base, I have self taping metal screws to attach angle brackets to tubing
[8/14/2019 2:18 AM] agr0090
Next steps if anyone is bored is to grind off the caster wheel nuts from tubing so bottom edge of square tubing is flat, then can attach these bases
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[8/14/2019 3:43 AM] draco_the_drake
Got the free stuff signs hung
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[8/14/2019 5:17 AM] canibalcrab
nice
[8/14/2019 9:55 AM] nullinterface
shuffled that away from the entrance to the office?
[8/14/2019 10:49 AM] stansimmons2031
@AGr I had taken that flat top pallet over to 102 for the woodshop dust collectors, not your stuff... 😦
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[8/14/2019 10:54 AM] mell.jpg
Stan are you talking about the stuff from the pictures above?
[8/14/2019 10:57 AM] stansimmons2031
Nope, I took a flat top plastic pallet over last night around 10 or so, and planned on using it to put the old woodshop dust collectors on it.... had it right next to them... now it has parts from the pedestal bases on it with Brandon's name on them. I didn't expect to have to put my name on it overnight.
[8/14/2019 10:58 AM] stansimmons2031
not a huge deal... but the midnight sculker struck again.
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[8/14/2019 11:49 AM] axeonos
If you know something, say something.... I know nothing.
[8/14/2019 11:50 AM] agr0090
Sorry, I can free up some pallets and put dust collectors on them tomorrow
[8/14/2019 11:55 AM] mell.jpg
Sounds pretty villainous for describing someone using an unmarked pallet to store a project he's making *for* DMS.
[8/14/2019 12:09 PM] stansimmons2031
I guess you are too young to remember the BC comic strip and "the midnight sculker" character in it... sorry your sense of humor is broken.
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[8/14/2019 12:12 PM] mell.jpg
Probably. Sorry if I missed some context.
[8/14/2019 12:30 PM] merissa4308
So wait, you moved a pallet to put things on, but didn't actually put things on it, and now you're mad someone who needed a pallet used it?
[8/14/2019 12:31 PM] merissa4308
Makes sense
[8/14/2019 1:09 PM] stephenie.
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[8/14/2019 2:37 PM] agr0090
@michaelb Would you care to pick up 4 sheets of 1/8" 4'x8' hardboard from home depot and drop them off by tomorrow night? I'll pay you back, should cost $32
[8/14/2019 2:40 PM] michaelb5250
That depends on if I can get the truck running. I'll let you know tonight.
[8/14/2019 2:40 PM] agr0090
ah, carb issues?
[8/14/2019 3:03 PM] michaelb5250
It flooded on Monday, I thought it would flash off when I fixed the carb, but it's so bad it's hydrolocking on the starter. I gotta pull the plugs, blow all the gas out, and then it should run
[8/14/2019 3:04 PM] agr0090
wow, thats a lot of gas to hydrolock it
[8/14/2019 3:40 PM] michaelb5250
Yup. When a float sinks, it just dumps fuel straight from the pump into the intake.
[8/14/2019 5:48 PM] michaelb5250
I won't be able to use the truck for another few days, sorry.
[8/14/2019 5:50 PM] agr0090
no problem, have you ever looked at this pre painted hardboard? https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-8-in-x-4-ft-x-8-ft-Eucalyptus-White-Hardboard-447562/204727075
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[8/14/2019 5:51 PM] agr0090
Thinking of either trying that or putting some poly on the regular hardboard
[8/14/2019 6:03 PM] michaelb5250
Yeah I used the white stuff as a work surface when I did the carb rebuild. It was super slick, liquid didn't really get into it but it was a bit of a pain.
[8/14/2019 6:03 PM] michaelb5250
We could do a couple options and see which one gets the most use
[8/14/2019 6:07 PM] michaelb5250
White vs plain with no finish is what I was thinking. I really can't see the bare hardboard getting ruined in a month.
[8/14/2019 6:09 PM] agr0090
2 of each plain and white sounds good, will try to get them installed tomorrow
[8/15/2019 8:39 AM] nullinterface
the glossy white isn't as durable as I'd like as I learned during my shed adventures
[8/15/2019 8:39 AM] nullinterface
matte white might be better
[8/15/2019 12:08 PM] nullinterface
budgeting for ~annual replacement of the tops seems like easy street however
[8/15/2019 12:59 PM] hon1nbo
@AGr the cost of the hdpe tops was 180 total, or per sheet?
[8/15/2019 1:00 PM] canibalcrab
i think thats for 4x
[8/15/2019 1:01 PM] agr0090
45 per sheet from allied plastic
[8/15/2019 1:06 PM] hon1nbo
if you guys want to try it, i'll consider it a donation
[8/15/2019 1:10 PM] agr0090
I just dropped off some plain hardboard to cover tables with tonight to prevent anymore paint messing up people's projects
[8/15/2019 1:11 PM] agr0090
Putting the HDPE on two tables to try it out would be great
[8/15/2019 1:15 PM] hon1nbo
alright. Put in order into Allied, and I'll pick it up tomorrow
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[8/15/2019 1:21 PM] canibalcrab
Does the hdpe replace the need for butcher paper?
[8/15/2019 1:26 PM] agr0090
Butcher paper is still useful to reduce cleanup, but with HDPE glue can easily be scraped off
[8/15/2019 1:26 PM] hon1nbo
lowers it at least, but I wouldn't say complete replacement
[8/15/2019 1:38 PM] canibalcrab
I will keep it on the list then
[8/15/2019 2:55 PM] hon1nbo
Anyway call in to allied and I'll pay for the order
[8/15/2019 2:56 PM] hon1nbo
Or send me all the details
[8/15/2019 3:16 PM] stephenie.
Finance has an Action Item list. I've added an entry for budgeting for the replacement of worktable tops. How much should I reserve?
[8/15/2019 3:17 PM] agr0090
Something like $30 per month (7.50 per table per month), assuming we spend 200 every 6 months on replacement
[8/15/2019 3:22 PM] hon1nbo
@AGr let me know when the order is in and what it is under, or send me the full specifics
[8/15/2019 3:23 PM] stephenie.
@AGr, got it.
[8/15/2019 3:25 PM] agr0090
didn't realize there was an action item for me, I prefer not to call anyone, this is the info I got in a quote a couple months ago
```HDPE is the perfect material for your application. It is abrasive resistant, resists stains and typical glues and adhesives do not stick. The cost for a sheet of .125 x 48 x 96 HDPE natural sheet @ 45.00 per sheet. We can cut the material down to whatever size you need.
Material is in stock.
Thanks in advance!
Ray V. Miles
Allied Plastic Supply
rmiles@alliedplastic.org
(972) 365-5599 (cell)
(214) 350-3990 (office)```
[8/15/2019 3:29 PM] stephenie.
*"didn't realize there was an action item for me"*
Not for you, @AGr. I'm telling Brian to expect this as an annual expense.
[8/15/2019 3:43 PM] hon1nbo
all @AGr right I'll call it in. We're starting with two tables to test it out since you already put the hardwood on some, correct?
[8/15/2019 3:44 PM] agr0090
yeah hdpe on two would be great, thanks
[8/15/2019 3:48 PM] hon1nbo
left a voicemail with the sales person and followed up via email
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[8/15/2019 3:53 PM] canibalcrab
Thanks jim
[8/15/2019 8:10 PM] agr0090
Heading to DMS later to finish drawers
[8/15/2019 8:10 PM] agr0090
Anyone have any kreg screw tips?
[8/15/2019 8:21 PM] michaelb5250
Like the driver or the screws?
[8/15/2019 8:21 PM] agr0090
Making drawers / cabinet with pocket hole screws in general
[8/15/2019 8:28 PM] agr0090
Ha, glad I just watched video, would probably have drilled wrong side of board
[8/15/2019 8:35 PM] michaelb5250
Oh those kind of tips. Lots of clamps. They tend to walk on me
[8/15/2019 10:28 PM] agr0090
What are these called?
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[8/15/2019 10:29 PM] axeonos
Old school legos.
[8/15/2019 10:29 PM] axeonos
They look like clasps... Or eyelits
[8/15/2019 10:40 PM] agr0090
The bolt into female bolt
[8/15/2019 10:42 PM] agr0090
Not what I would have guessed https://www.boltdepot.com/fastener-information/Sex-Bolts/Sex-Bolt-Dimensions-Combo-Truss-Head.aspx
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[8/15/2019 11:09 PM] axeonos
Til bolts had gender
[8/16/2019 3:12 AM] agr0090
Intentionally went with 1/2 gap at top, should have done 1/4 instead, since its all screws could redo location of front face
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[8/16/2019 8:51 AM] judykriehn3727
A thing of beauty!
[8/16/2019 8:55 AM] canibalcrab
Looks awesome
[8/16/2019 12:25 PM] hon1nbo
Picking up the HDPE now
[8/16/2019 12:26 PM] hon1nbo
Also FYI, whenever getting quotes make sure you tell the reps we are a non-profit and thus tax exempt. Most sales reps don't automatically know that
[8/16/2019 12:32 PM] canibalcrab
We have had issues with people telling allied that, and getting tax free incorrectly
[8/16/2019 1:11 PM] nullinterface
that's on the people claiming tax-exempt for themselves
[8/16/2019 1:15 PM] hon1nbo
Ah, well our cert is on file for stuff like this
[8/16/2019 1:15 PM] hon1nbo
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[8/16/2019 1:16 PM] hon1nbo
All the work tables are in use and I have to go. It's on stone storage shelves
[8/16/2019 1:16 PM] hon1nbo
I also rebooted the kiosk and it seems to be working properly
[8/16/2019 1:17 PM] agr0090
Nice, I attached two of the plain hardboard sheets last night, using countersunk screws, I guess same method would be good for hdpe
[8/16/2019 1:21 PM] nullinterface
might want to countersink the HDPE first
[8/16/2019 1:50 PM] agr0090
Before sitting it on table? For hardboard I just put a clamp right next to where I was drilling and that worked to prevent debris getting under hardboard
[8/16/2019 10:50 PM] agr0090
Flush cutting worked but throws chips everywhere. It comes oversized ~7/8 inch oversize from listed dimensions
[8/16/2019 10:51 PM] agr0090
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[8/17/2019 1:47 AM] agr0090
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[8/17/2019 1:49 AM] agr0090
One next to door needs shims (currently rocks on 2 points of contact), I blame the floor, don't have any on hand
[8/17/2019 2:39 AM] axeonos
Where does the pay machine go?
[8/17/2019 2:40 AM] agr0090
Probably left right or on, unlikely to be below or behind
[8/17/2019 2:41 AM] agr0090
No idea, I don't know if it will just be square kiosk or square thing with huge cash box
[8/17/2019 6:37 AM] canibalcrab
Payment kiosk will be one of the black payment tombstones like laser has
[8/17/2019 6:38 AM] canibalcrab
Thanks for setting that up Brandon
[8/17/2019 7:17 AM] stephenie.
That's amazing, @AGr .
[8/17/2019 12:16 PM] stansimmons2031
We have several of the square kiosks that were donated in the 102 warehouse. We will need the tombstone and an ipad.
[8/17/2019 1:21 PM] canibalcrab
We are going to use the tombstone and iPad stand currently in the front lobby
[8/17/2019 1:21 PM] canibalcrab
Freddy is getting an iPad set up for it
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[8/18/2019 2:15 AM] axeonos
Came in today to work on car. Someone put 4 jugs of sweet tea and business cards on the 2 shelf. Put jugs and cards on black table. Hope someone's not using DMS to sell their tea.
[8/18/2019 2:45 AM] draco_the_drake
Well, to be fair there was a table of sweets and other food there before
[8/18/2019 3:15 AM] axeonos
That table is gone
[8/18/2019 3:21 AM] axeonos
Ya don't go to spirit Halloween store to buy diapers cause baby's r us was there before
[8/18/2019 3:25 AM] canibalcrab
thats some weird math but it checks out
[8/18/2019 4:11 AM] draco_the_drake
hmm....
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[8/18/2019 4:12 AM] draco_the_drake
Not really my style
[8/21/2019 11:16 AM] draco_the_drake
I got rid of the file cabinet that was on the dock
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[8/21/2019 12:06 PM] judykriehn3727
I wonder if it’s animated? That would be kinda cool if along with glowing eyes and growling the hands or arms moved...
[8/21/2019 2:44 PM] lavarocks.
So how are the newly free tables in 102 looking?
[8/21/2019 2:44 PM] lavarocks.
Or are they
[8/21/2019 2:48 PM] canibalcrab
:doubt:
[8/21/2019 2:49 PM] canibalcrab
I haven't been able to get to the space in a few
[8/22/2019 9:32 AM] michaelb5250
We're moving the personal storage to the space in the flex area along the edge of electronics, where they have those lockers, right?
[8/22/2019 2:24 PM] agr0090
there is currently 35 to 40 linear feet of shelving
[8/22/2019 2:25 PM] agr0090
in some number of months there could be half that much, would simpler to relocate them then, why do it now?
[8/22/2019 2:25 PM] agr0090
It would also all fit in the new lobby, taking up half of all wall space there
[8/22/2019 2:26 PM] agr0090
and then there is the option of removing the project storage shelving that is on the edge of machine shop in workshop (along with relocating unused vacuum former), and could place some small and large personal storage there
[8/22/2019 2:34 PM] judykriehn3727
I was counting up current empty slots and combined with the upcoming empty slots from my most recent audit, we can eliminate one three-bin-wise section. Assuming we don’t suddenly get a rush to grab slots.
[8/22/2019 2:35 PM] judykriehn3727
The vacuum form is not unused; I took a class recently from Tim Black. But, it will be relocating to the plastics SIG area next to future machine shop.
[8/22/2019 2:36 PM] judykriehn3727
I don’t think lobby is a good spot due to lack of eyeballs on them and frequency of non-members hanging out there.
[8/22/2019 2:38 PM] judykriehn3727
But... when they build the wall for audio booth, perhaps the outside wall is a possibility. With some sound dampening between bins and wall, of course...
[8/22/2019 7:58 PM] stansimmons2031
How about putting some in the hallway outside Digital Media, and some on the wall outside 104 server room, where the printer used to live.... rather than in the new lobby.
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[8/22/2019 8:07 PM] draco_the_drake
It would be great if they were spread out
[8/22/2019 8:07 PM] draco_the_drake
You might be able to put one on the side of Printmaking across from the new 3d fab
[8/22/2019 8:08 PM] draco_the_drake
We really don't want them in the lobby outside of the RFID areas
[8/22/2019 9:11 PM] kevpat
Putting them outside digital media might not be a good idea with the pending wall reconstruction for audio booth
[8/22/2019 10:33 PM] stansimmons2031
The wall outside DM isn't scheduled for demo
[8/22/2019 11:12 PM] judykriehn3727
I think lost and found should be where the giant white cabinet was when digital media was E-Lab
[8/22/2019 11:14 PM] kevpat
They're going to have to rip off the drywall to put mineral fiber in them
[8/23/2019 2:42 AM] canibalcrab
Hahahaha
[8/23/2019 2:42 AM] canibalcrab
He's got jokes
[8/23/2019 5:45 AM] draco_the_drake
@Kevin that shouldn't be on the hall way side ...
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[8/23/2019 5:46 AM] draco_the_drake
You put the soundproofing material in between
[8/23/2019 5:48 AM] draco_the_drake
The big issue will be the ceiling and the sprinklers
[8/24/2019 3:58 PM] gregholkan
Hey, is anyone else having trouble with the web print option for the copier?
[8/25/2019 5:16 PM] agr0090
@pearce want me to clear space for black yellow bins tonight and we can set the shelves up this week?
[8/25/2019 5:17 PM] canibalcrab
Do we have code yet?
[8/25/2019 5:23 PM] agr0090
Within a few days, I think physical progress will motivate completion
[8/25/2019 5:33 PM] agr0090
I can mock up location idea, and move things back if it's not a good idea
[8/25/2019 6:09 PM] canibalcrab
Where are you thinking old vector area?
[8/25/2019 6:10 PM] canibalcrab
Shelves backed up to machine shop?
[8/25/2019 6:18 PM] agr0090
Backed up to machine shop, one of current pallet shelving with backs against blue vector wall, will also improve walking room around work tables by moving the 4 feet deep pallet rack
[8/25/2019 6:19 PM] agr0090
Vacuum former could plug into same spot but you'd need to roll it away / back to that pillar each use
[8/25/2019 6:21 PM] agr0090
Should only take 1.5 hours for me to shuffle things and see what it would look like
[8/25/2019 6:28 PM] canibalcrab
Those shelves are fairly empty
[8/25/2019 6:28 PM] agr0090
Yeah, that will make it easy to try out my idea
[8/25/2019 6:30 PM] canibalcrab
Go for it
[8/25/2019 11:51 PM] agr0090
Got the easy part done, now to move extra shelving stuff to warehouse
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[8/25/2019 11:58 PM] canibalcrab
might want to wait to put black bins on or put full stacks of them on to show that they will go there
[8/25/2019 11:58 PM] canibalcrab
but not useable yet
[8/25/2019 11:58 PM] canibalcrab
because we cant charge for them yet
[8/26/2019 2:42 AM] agr0090
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[8/26/2019 2:43 AM] agr0090
I realized my initial thought of 60 was excessive, that's 40 bins
[8/26/2019 2:44 AM] agr0090
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[8/26/2019 10:47 AM] lavarocks.
Are these just placeholders?
[8/26/2019 12:01 PM] canibalcrab
Yeah
[8/26/2019 12:29 PM] agr0090
Next need to get shelving, modify shelving depth with 2x4s, finalize payment system, start on audit tools, publish rules
[8/26/2019 12:32 PM] canibalcrab
Man I prefer the open workshop look we have without looming shelving in there
[8/26/2019 12:33 PM] canibalcrab
I'm glad we instantly built fake walls in the committee areas
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[8/26/2019 12:41 PM] agr0090
Yeah was nice for a few minutes, I assume machine shop would prefer wallish things to be there, a bunch of saws are backed onto that line
[8/26/2019 12:42 PM] canibalcrab
I think the stacks are 1 level too high for actual number of bins per shelf?
[8/26/2019 12:43 PM] canibalcrab
No those can be taller in that area
[8/26/2019 12:48 PM] kenpurcell
Yes looks much better without the tall junky shelves.
[8/26/2019 12:57 PM] agr0090
4 wide 5 rows high is what would fit on the home Depot shelves, same as what's in science
[8/26/2019 12:58 PM] agr0090
whether its a good idea to have a bin 7 feet in the air is another question
[8/26/2019 1:04 PM] canibalcrab
Can't be over 10 according to Rich
[8/26/2019 1:04 PM] canibalcrab
Also can't be over 40lbs
[8/26/2019 1:04 PM] canibalcrab
So like 5 bags of clay?
[8/26/2019 1:12 PM] axeonos
with or without metal rods poking the clay bags?
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[8/26/2019 1:13 PM] andrew5152
Yeah... 🤔 40lbs clay + poking metal rod + time in the hot warehouse= 20lbs clay...
[8/26/2019 1:16 PM] judykriehn3727
Laughing all the way....
[8/26/2019 1:17 PM] andrew5152
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[8/26/2019 1:38 PM] agr0090
Top of bin would only be 8.4 to 8.6 feet high, well below 10, but would need a ladder to get top row bin
[8/26/2019 1:48 PM] lavarocks.
@pearce have you already ordered kraft paper?
[8/26/2019 1:49 PM] lavarocks.
CA needs some so were trying to see of we could ta k into your order to save freight
[8/26/2019 1:49 PM] lavarocks.
@ibi5
[8/26/2019 1:49 PM] canibalcrab
Ordering tonight
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[8/26/2019 1:50 PM] lavarocks.
From uline?
[8/26/2019 1:50 PM] canibalcrab
I just got a crash course on the procurement card
[8/26/2019 1:50 PM] canibalcrab
Probably, I think we found smaller but ultimately the same price on amazon
[8/26/2019 1:51 PM] agr0090
could throw in a few boxes of masking tape if ordering from uline https://www.uline.com/BL_3108/Uline-Masking-Tape
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[8/26/2019 1:52 PM] agr0090
$52.20 for 1 box of 1" wide
[8/26/2019 1:52 PM] lavarocks.
Online is local but they are a bunch of meanies and charge a fee for pickup
[8/26/2019 1:52 PM] lavarocks.
Uline*
[8/26/2019 1:52 PM] canibalcrab
Under 300 they do
[8/26/2019 1:52 PM] canibalcrab
But also would need a pickup person
[8/26/2019 1:53 PM] lavarocks.
We were car shopping an actually thought of getting a truck just for the sole purpose of hauling shit to dms
[8/26/2019 1:54 PM] canibalcrab
I could take the bus but it's prepping for it's journey west right now
[8/26/2019 2:05 PM] lavarocks.
Let me know where you are ordering from- we could use two or three of our rolls in each kind
[8/26/2019 2:09 PM] canibalcrab
I'll send you a message when I get home
[8/26/2019 2:14 PM] lavarocks.
Thanks!
[8/26/2019 3:58 PM] kenpurcell
I can pickup stuff tomorrow if it's before 3pm.
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[8/26/2019 3:59 PM] canibalcrab
I'll let you know if that's an option
[8/26/2019 4:20 PM] michaelb5250
I'm not in town this week but the truck is slowly becoming more reliable as well
[8/26/2019 4:21 PM] agr0090
spare tire hasn't fallen out?
[8/26/2019 6:05 PM] michaelb5250
Not yet!
[8/27/2019 1:09 AM] axeonos
When is next logistics meeting? Was going to write up a wiki agenda submission for organizing a common room clean up day but there's nothing on the calendar
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[8/27/2019 1:20 AM] yashsedai
Lol it's called kick out the campers
[8/27/2019 1:22 AM] axeonos
Lol I wish... no board meeting did bring up a good point. When we moved we just stuck things in half hazard with no direction
[8/27/2019 1:22 AM] agr0090
You could create a logistics group meeting on calendar, no meeting schedule other than project storage extension currently exists
[8/27/2019 1:22 AM] yashsedai
Lol I see no reason anyone should monopolize dms space in the common area
[8/27/2019 1:23 AM] yashsedai
Computer setups, piles everywhere, out out out
[8/27/2019 1:23 AM] axeonos
Don't wish to impose or impede on current leader. It's his circus and monkeys now
[8/27/2019 1:24 AM] yashsedai
Lol not suggesting you do
[8/27/2019 1:27 AM] yashsedai
I'm sure it will require some act of God the entrenched believe they own the joint
[8/27/2019 1:28 AM] yashsedai
Haha, maybe Kris will save them
[8/27/2019 2:22 AM] canibalcrab
We don't need a meeting to schedule a work day
[8/27/2019 2:36 AM] axeonos
So just pick a day? Make signs for advanced notice and hope for the best that people come out to help? Or maybe have it on offsite day...so we know helpers will be there
[8/27/2019 2:38 AM] canibalcrab
What exactly are you trying to do
[8/27/2019 2:44 AM] axeonos
Clean up/organize common room.
[8/27/2019 2:50 AM] canibalcrab
Right, can you elaborate on that? Do you have a plan on where things will go?
[8/27/2019 2:53 AM] axeonos
Not yet no. Like I said. Didn't want to step on toes
[8/27/2019 2:56 AM] canibalcrab
not stepping on toes to come up with a plan and present it\
[8/27/2019 3:01 AM] axeonos
Will work on something to fungi shui on Wednesday. I know @AGr likes to make diagrams and charts so if you have any input I'm all ears.
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[8/27/2019 3:01 AM] draco_the_drake
I think it would be great to have cable trays under the tables
[8/27/2019 3:02 AM] draco_the_drake
I see masses of cables constantly ... need a solution for Ethernet
[8/27/2019 3:03 AM] draco_the_drake
Not certain if they make retractable 1G ethernet cables
[8/27/2019 3:03 AM] draco_the_drake
but it would be cool to be able to pull them and have them sucked back into the tables
[8/27/2019 3:07 AM] draco_the_drake
Perhaps cable trays would be better .. a quick look seems that the retractable ones are expensive
[8/27/2019 3:08 AM] canibalcrab
and they break quickly
[8/27/2019 3:09 AM] draco_the_drake
Yeah, that sounds about right
[8/27/2019 3:10 AM] draco_the_drake
@Axeonos are you thinking about moving around things or just cleaning?
[8/27/2019 3:12 AM] draco_the_drake
Stan had a nice map with paper cut outs for tables to size... we played with many orientations and this one seemed the best but I'm interested to know what you can come up with
[8/27/2019 3:13 AM] draco_the_drake
The other thing is we already ran the ethernet
[8/27/2019 3:13 AM] canibalcrab
we set it up based on the map. im not even sure what comment was made at the board meeting. the tables have been filled with crap since before we moved it
[8/27/2019 3:13 AM] canibalcrab
hap hazard or not
[8/27/2019 3:14 AM] canibalcrab
im not interested in moving it again. i want to see the tables useable for people who want to bring in their laptops and work for a bit, not people setting up semi permanent locations with their "totally not an office" setups
[8/27/2019 3:15 AM] draco_the_drake
Yeah .. however, I think Stan is an exception
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[8/27/2019 3:15 AM] draco_the_drake
because everyone goes to him for admin
[8/27/2019 3:15 AM] canibalcrab
no, sorry. that isnt how the space should be working
[8/27/2019 3:16 AM] draco_the_drake
Then how should we do admin functions?
[8/27/2019 3:16 AM] canibalcrab
maker manager is almost entirely set up to be self service.
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[8/27/2019 3:16 AM] draco_the_drake
It is a necessary part of the smooth running of the space and people signing up
[8/27/2019 3:16 AM] draco_the_drake
You should sit down for a while and see how much hand holding is required
[8/27/2019 3:17 AM] draco_the_drake
Someone needs to be present to help
[8/27/2019 3:17 AM] draco_the_drake
It doesn't have to be Stan
[8/27/2019 3:17 AM] canibalcrab
we *had* desktops set up for people to use to troubleshoot issues and then people moved in on those desktops to play games all day
[8/27/2019 3:17 AM] draco_the_drake
and it doesn't have to be in the common room but we do need it
[8/27/2019 3:18 AM] draco_the_drake
Well, there are workstations setup for the purpose but many people either cannot get into them or have other issues because of software glitches
[8/27/2019 3:18 AM] canibalcrab
and i want to set up a kiosk for helping out with stuff like badge issues
[8/27/2019 3:19 AM] draco_the_drake
I think you underestimate the friendly face and personal touch that an actual person brings to signing up and giving tours
[8/27/2019 3:19 AM] draco_the_drake
and fixing issues
[8/27/2019 3:19 AM] canibalcrab
but just like not allowing DM to set up a permanent location on one of the 102 tables, we dont need to use the common room tables to set up a permanent location for fringe case maker manager issues
[8/27/2019 3:19 AM] draco_the_drake
It isn't fringe .. it is daily
[8/27/2019 3:19 AM] canibalcrab
im not removing that "friendly face"
[8/27/2019 3:20 AM] canibalcrab
it could easily be a standing kiosk instead of a cluttered PC that makes other people think they can setup and do the same thing
[8/27/2019 3:20 AM] axeonos
To answer questions I wasn't going to move tables just stuff on tables
[8/27/2019 3:21 AM] draco_the_drake
Perhaps we need an admin person/desk in the lobby
[8/27/2019 3:22 AM] canibalcrab
that was actually intended for the lobby, im not sure why expansion nixed it
[8/27/2019 3:23 AM] canibalcrab
but it shouldnt be seen as "XYZmembers desk"
[8/27/2019 3:23 AM] canibalcrab
anyone should feel like they can walk up and assist another member at it
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[8/27/2019 3:24 AM] draco_the_drake
sure .. I see no issue with that .. however, I think it needs to be staffed during the day at least .. if we can find volunteers
[8/27/2019 3:24 AM] canibalcrab
maybe from like 5-9pm
[8/27/2019 3:25 AM] draco_the_drake
I think it can be staffed as much as it can be staffed ... people are in all the time and we do need a central point of ... where do I go.. where is x ... how do I sign up ... how do I get a badge ... my badge isn't working .. answering the door / phone .. taking packages .. etc etc
[8/27/2019 8:41 AM] judykriehn3727
I, for one, HAVE assisted new members with issues. I’m with Pearce on the standing kiosk concept after doing so.
[8/27/2019 8:43 AM] judykriehn3727
with the desktop, you have to first get to the front page of the website.
[8/27/2019 8:44 AM] judykriehn3727
Then, find the puny little super-secret place to click to get to maker manager
[8/27/2019 8:45 AM] judykriehn3727
Then, go through the process.
[8/27/2019 8:48 AM] judykriehn3727
Of the frustrated newbies I’ve retrieved from the front door, the biggest obstacle is the RFID scanner there. That particular one is a prima donna when it comes to the fobs. If you don’t swipe it held *just right* there’s no joy.
[8/27/2019 8:51 AM] yashsedai
I've actually checked into a different badge reader for testing
[8/27/2019 8:51 AM] yashsedai
I'll likely pull the trigger today
[8/27/2019 8:52 AM] judykriehn3727
That said, I’d rather see a kiosk setup on the wall by mail table that has a TABLET with the “home” set to the maker manager much like the lobby tablets for waiver-signing.
[8/27/2019 8:53 AM] michaelb5250
I don't really care for the staffing idea. I think when we staff that space we're a) showing that it's ok to set up a permanent location in the room (because no matter where it is, someone will camp out there), and b) catering to members who aren't able to figure this out otherwise
Neither of those are positive things. Setting up a tablet is a better option.
[8/27/2019 8:53 AM] judykriehn3727
Yay @yashsedai ! You da MAN!
[8/27/2019 8:54 AM] andrew5152
why a tablet?
I find trying to navigate ANYTHING on a tablet more confusing, but especially the "super secret" (yet conspicuous, in my opinion) link for maker manager on dallas.ms
[8/27/2019 8:58 AM] lavarocks.
Why not one of each
[8/27/2019 8:58 AM] judykriehn3727
The waiver tablets OPEN at the waiver page. Ergo, it seems like a maker manager tablet could OPEN on the screen for that process.
[8/27/2019 8:58 AM] lavarocks.
A computer to use only for sign ups, no squatting allowed and a tablet out front
[8/27/2019 9:01 AM] judykriehn3727
And, Andrew, I didn’t even know that maker manager portal was on the webpage until June when Stan was teaching me the ropes so I could look up membership status related to bin audit
[8/27/2019 9:04 AM] stephenie.
@pearce : *"i want to see the tables useable for people who want to bring in their laptops and work for a bit"*
The monitors get in the way of not just laptops. Board games. Makery. Discussion.
It's not a common-use room anymore.
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[8/27/2019 9:04 AM] stephenie.
Remember when the tables looked like this?
[8/27/2019 9:04 AM] stephenie.
Flat surfaces. Flexible use.
[8/27/2019 9:05 AM] stephenie.
Now it's a computer lab.
[8/27/2019 9:05 AM] lavarocks.
Not one hundred condiment packets
[8/27/2019 9:05 AM] michaelb5250
Damn that's some good Photoshop. Nothing at DMS has ever looked that useable.
[8/27/2019 9:05 AM] michaelb5250
/s
[8/27/2019 9:09 AM] andrew5152
Well... I guess I forget I'm a computer geek among the populace (hence I'll just fiddle around on web pages, just to see what's there, like the rather precariously-placed, on a line of its own color, and with no other obvious purpose, link to "member portal" on the dallas.ms page) despite being a troglodyte among computer geeks...
[8/27/2019 9:10 AM] andrew5152
and I now understand the idea of a tablet open to the maker manager page...this idea gets my blessing
[8/27/2019 9:10 AM] andrew5152
('cause Lord know that'll help)
[8/27/2019 9:22 AM] draco_the_drake
Honestly, I would rather see those tables filled with people working and collaborating on cool projects with all kinds of things including computers
[8/27/2019 9:22 AM] draco_the_drake
rather than empty and clean
[8/27/2019 9:22 AM] draco_the_drake
but yes they should clean up and leave at some point
[8/27/2019 9:22 AM] draco_the_drake
to let others in
[8/27/2019 9:23 AM] stephenie.
I'm not making a case for empty and clean. I'm making a case for removing monitors so that we have workspace and line of sight to collaborate or work solo.
[8/27/2019 9:24 AM] stephenie.
We can bring in or borrow laptops when monitors are needed.
[8/27/2019 9:24 AM] aceat64
I've been helping new members get setup with badges after the new member orientation classes. Other than when maker manager was just straight down, they've all been able to self service using their phones.
[8/27/2019 9:25 AM] draco_the_drake
The loaner laptops last I looked were not in good condition .. missing power cords, non-working ..
[8/27/2019 9:25 AM] draco_the_drake
Or cannot get onto jump
[8/27/2019 9:25 AM] aceat64
Relying on Stan to setup badges is a crutch, give a man a fish, teach a man to fish...
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[8/27/2019 9:26 AM] draco_the_drake
No question that we need something ....
[8/27/2019 9:26 AM] aceat64
Now when those members inevitably lose or damage their badge, they can reissue them on their own
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[8/27/2019 9:26 AM] draco_the_drake
I think sometimes it really helps to be able to talk to someone that is avaliable when you are there
[8/27/2019 9:26 AM] draco_the_drake
and knows what is going on
[8/27/2019 9:27 AM] aceat64
Yeah, that's what the new member orientation classes are for
[8/27/2019 9:27 AM] yashsedai
You think we should sit in a circle and sing kumbya but we all know that isn't realistic
[8/27/2019 9:27 AM] aceat64
And I don't need a permanent office to do it
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[8/27/2019 9:27 AM] yashsedai
But but exceptions Andrew!
[8/27/2019 9:28 AM] aceat64
If I work my job remote, so I'm at the space all day every weekday, can I get an office?
[8/27/2019 9:28 AM] yashsedai
NO
[8/27/2019 9:28 AM] aceat64
I'll answer questions every now and then
[8/27/2019 9:28 AM] yashsedai
go rent a space
[8/27/2019 9:28 AM] aceat64
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[8/27/2019 9:28 AM] yashsedai
this aint dallas officespace
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[8/27/2019 9:28 AM] draco_the_drake
Most places our size have at least some staff
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] yashsedai
so?
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] yashsedai
we aren't most places
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] draco_the_drake
We need some
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] yashsedai
no
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] yashsedai
we don't
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] draco_the_drake
ha
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] draco_the_drake
haha
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] draco_the_drake
ok
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] aceat64
We'd need to do background checks for staff
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] yashsedai
we need pedants to gtfo
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] yashsedai
thats what we need
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] yashsedai
lol
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] yashsedai
background checks are scary
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] aceat64
What types of crimes should disqualify someone for being staff?
[8/27/2019 9:29 AM] yashsedai
it might out people
[8/27/2019 9:30 AM] draco_the_drake
I think background checks would be good for staff
[8/27/2019 9:30 AM] yashsedai
violent crimes? fraud?
[8/27/2019 9:30 AM] draco_the_drake
when we hire some, eventually
[8/27/2019 9:30 AM] aceat64
Assault should definitely be a disqualification
[8/27/2019 9:30 AM] draco_the_drake
we are moving that direction
[8/27/2019 9:30 AM] yashsedai
we are not hiring anyone
[8/27/2019 9:30 AM] kenpurcell
Go / No Go checks since I do not want to know
[8/27/2019 9:30 AM] yashsedai
I don't know why you can't get that
[8/27/2019 9:30 AM] draco_the_drake
People keep telling me that we aren't a clubhouse anymore
[8/27/2019 9:30 AM] yashsedai
We can't have employees
[8/27/2019 9:30 AM] draco_the_drake
we need to grow up .. well hire someone
[8/27/2019 9:31 AM] yashsedai
You need to grow up
[8/27/2019 9:31 AM] draco_the_drake
Would you stop with the insults
[8/27/2019 9:31 AM] yashsedai
Get out of the everything has to feel nice and warm mindset
[8/27/2019 9:31 AM] lavarocks.
We dont need staff to grow up
[8/27/2019 9:31 AM] yashsedai
Sorry the truth hurts
[8/27/2019 9:31 AM] draco_the_drake
No not staff ...
[8/27/2019 9:31 AM] draco_the_drake
I'm saying people are saying that as the reason for alot of the changes .. that we are not a clubhouse and we need to grow up
[8/27/2019 9:32 AM] draco_the_drake
DMS
[8/27/2019 9:32 AM] aceat64
You get where that not a clubhouse saying comes from right?
[8/27/2019 9:33 AM] draco_the_drake
I thought I did but I'm beginning because of your statement to believe I don't ...
[8/27/2019 9:33 AM] draco_the_drake
Where does it come from?
[8/27/2019 9:33 AM] aceat64
It's from the previous board, they'd say it when they didn't want to explain their actions
[8/27/2019 9:33 AM] aceat64
And then they'd do some clubhouse type thing
[8/27/2019 9:34 AM] draco_the_drake
Well it also came from PureTax
[8/27/2019 9:34 AM] draco_the_drake
not those words
[8/27/2019 9:34 AM] draco_the_drake
but something similar
[8/27/2019 9:34 AM] aceat64
Maybe that's where the old board heard it, they sure didn't know other phrases until PT said them, like fiduciary duty
[8/27/2019 9:35 AM] yashsedai
LOL
[8/27/2019 9:35 AM] yashsedai
old board and fiduciary duty
[8/27/2019 9:35 AM] yashsedai
those things don't belong in the same sentence
[8/27/2019 9:35 AM] lavarocks.
I learned fiduciary from A rocky and bull winkle episode. True fact.
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[8/27/2019 9:35 AM] yashsedai
MOOSE AND SQUIRREL!
[8/27/2019 9:35 AM] judykriehn3727
We don’t need to be all warm and fuzzy, but we do need to be user friendly.
[8/27/2019 9:35 AM] yashsedai
I agree with this Judy 🙂
[8/27/2019 9:36 AM] draco_the_drake
wow .. I didn't realize how angry yall really are ..
[8/27/2019 9:36 AM] judykriehn3727
But hell, we have a doorbell that gets ignored.
[8/27/2019 9:36 AM] yashsedai
angry from dealing with all bullshit you bring
[8/27/2019 9:36 AM] lavarocks.
No one is angry
[8/27/2019 9:36 AM] draco_the_drake
I think there are a few that are
[8/27/2019 9:36 AM] lavarocks.
Well. Maybe Freddy😂
[8/27/2019 9:37 AM] yashsedai
lol I'm always angry, from dealing with stupid shit that people who have nothing better to do with their lives dream up, cause RULES AND RULE LAWYERING
[8/27/2019 9:37 AM] aceat64
I mean, the old board only lied to the membership, slandered me and then banned me from an organization I helped build... Might make someone a bit upset
[8/27/2019 9:37 AM] kenpurcell
I'l let you know I answer the doorbell 6-7 times during our Saturday morning work sessions. But now we have a second bell too. Don't get me started on answering the voice mails we get.
[8/27/2019 9:38 AM] aceat64
Draco, you ever see someone kick a puppy? That's what watching the old board run DMS was like.
[8/27/2019 9:39 AM] yashsedai
LOL
[8/27/2019 9:39 AM] yashsedai
poor puppy
[8/27/2019 9:40 AM] aceat64
Do you know what a former board member said to my friend who got sexually harassed at the space? Don't report it, these things just happen.
[8/27/2019 9:40 AM] aceat64
The current board resolved that issue
[8/27/2019 9:41 AM] judykriehn3727
I was in the common room working on something the day they had all the audition stuff happening. Doorbell ringing frequently. Others didn’t even acknowledge the sound. I felt bad about needing to leave, picturing all these non-members out there ringing the doorbell to no avail.
[8/27/2019 9:42 AM] andrew5152
That problem is self-resolving: host answers doorbell.
[8/27/2019 9:42 AM] yashsedai
door bell is great if there is support
[8/27/2019 9:42 AM] yashsedai
door bell commits all in hearing distance to answer, not what anyone except the person who put it up agreed to
[8/27/2019 9:43 AM] yashsedai
i'd rather there be no doorbell than deal with that shitshow, least they would have to contact the instructor
[8/27/2019 9:43 AM] yashsedai
sounds like a field that needs to be requried on the calendar
[8/27/2019 9:44 AM] aceat64
@Axeonos I was thinking we should move the computers from the common room to the pillar room
[8/27/2019 9:44 AM] aceat64
We could make the pillar room a computer classroom
[8/27/2019 9:44 AM] andrew5152
isn't there supposed to be a computer classroom at some point?
[8/27/2019 9:44 AM] nullinterface
assuming it doesn't become temp woodshop expansion
[8/27/2019 9:44 AM] aceat64
Would need to get buy-in from classroom committee
[8/27/2019 9:44 AM] yashsedai
how do we prevent from becoming a smelly fucking lan party?
[8/27/2019 9:45 AM] yashsedai
with shit strewn everywhere and cords and food and bugs
[8/27/2019 9:45 AM] aceat64
Automatic febreeze sprayers
[8/27/2019 9:45 AM] yashsedai
hah
[8/27/2019 9:45 AM] aceat64
Could do a time limit for usage, just like other tools
[8/27/2019 9:46 AM] stephenie.
My public library has a time limit.
[8/27/2019 9:46 AM] stephenie.
on PCs
[8/27/2019 9:46 AM] yashsedai
LOL
[8/27/2019 9:46 AM] yashsedai
AUTO LOGOFF
[8/27/2019 9:46 AM] aceat64
It's a shared resource, monopolizing it is against the rules
[8/27/2019 9:46 AM] stephenie.
Yes, autologoff is how it works at the library
[8/27/2019 9:47 AM] stephenie.
And you can't sign up for back to back sessions there either
[8/27/2019 9:48 AM] aceat64
@yashsedai can we set it so that auto-lock happens after say 6 hours and doesn't let them login to other PCs in that group/room for say 4 hours
[8/27/2019 9:48 AM] yashsedai
lol
[8/27/2019 9:48 AM] yashsedai
now you are making work for me haha
[8/27/2019 9:48 AM] aceat64
I'm a Linux guy, all this clicking to configure stuff confuses and enrages me
[8/27/2019 9:48 AM] yashsedai
but i like
[8/27/2019 9:49 AM] yashsedai
not sure it could work that way without programming but ideas none the less
[8/27/2019 9:49 AM] aceat64
Yeah I've got no experience with Windows group policy stuff
[8/27/2019 9:51 AM] aceat64
Or just only allow red chairs in the computer classroom
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[8/27/2019 9:52 AM] aceat64
I can sit in them for about 2 hours lol
[8/27/2019 9:53 AM] nullinterface
I managed close to 4 hours one day without issue and I'm not a *compact* fella
[8/27/2019 9:53 AM] draco_the_drake
I'm glad we got the donation of comfortable chairs
[8/27/2019 9:53 AM] draco_the_drake
I helped get them 😉
[8/27/2019 9:54 AM] aceat64
Easier to clean are more important, don't worry we can fix it
[8/27/2019 9:54 AM] draco_the_drake
not the crapy ones in the warehouse
[8/27/2019 9:54 AM] draco_the_drake
well these are not cloth
[8/27/2019 9:54 AM] draco_the_drake
so they can be wiped down
[8/27/2019 9:55 AM] draco_the_drake
and when they wear out we toss them
[8/27/2019 9:55 AM] draco_the_drake
and get another donation
[8/27/2019 9:56 AM] draco_the_drake
We want people to have the space feel like a **second** home
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[8/27/2019 9:56 AM] aceat64
No we don't
[8/27/2019 9:56 AM] draco_the_drake
Sure we do .. as long as they go back to their first home
[8/27/2019 9:56 AM] aceat64
We already have people treating like a first home
[8/27/2019 9:56 AM] nullinterface
you can choose to be wrong @Draco
[8/27/2019 9:56 AM] draco_the_drake
Naw .. we want to build community
[8/27/2019 9:56 AM] aceat64
We want people feeling like a place they can get stuff done
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[8/27/2019 9:56 AM] yashsedai
You want to build a utopian pedant space
[8/27/2019 9:56 AM] draco_the_drake
and community requires some comfort
[8/27/2019 9:56 AM] yashsedai
We don't
[8/27/2019 9:57 AM] draco_the_drake
we need a couch
[8/27/2019 9:57 AM] nullinterface
ah yes, the shifting sands of *"community"*
[8/27/2019 9:57 AM] yashsedai
Who accepted the donation of comfortable chairs?
[8/27/2019 9:57 AM] yashsedai
It sure as hell wasn't me or Pearce
[8/27/2019 9:57 AM] draco_the_drake
I just loaded them
[8/27/2019 9:57 AM] nullinterface
where it's always some elusive thing that only Draco understands
[8/27/2019 9:57 AM] draco_the_drake
and unloaded them
[8/27/2019 9:57 AM] aceat64
Next will come the lament about not being able to get shit faced drunk, as a community
[8/27/2019 9:57 AM] yashsedai
well unload them the fuck somewhere lese
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[8/27/2019 9:57 AM] yashsedai
else*
[8/27/2019 9:57 AM] yashsedai
cause we aint accepting
[8/27/2019 9:57 AM] draco_the_drake
They are already accepted and liked
[8/27/2019 9:58 AM] draco_the_drake
why you gotta be a meany
[8/27/2019 9:58 AM] yashsedai
you don't seem to get it
[8/27/2019 9:58 AM] yashsedai
you don't get to donate without us accepting
[8/27/2019 9:58 AM] draco_the_drake
It was before you
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[8/27/2019 9:58 AM] yashsedai
uhuh
[8/27/2019 9:58 AM] aceat64
We've made @AGr undo stuff before, and you're not nearly as effective as him at getting things done
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[8/27/2019 9:58 AM] kenpurcell
Still waiting on the massage chair to go somewhere. Maybe Brandon can put a pulse jet and wheels on it.
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[8/27/2019 9:58 AM] yashsedai
lol
[8/27/2019 9:59 AM] yashsedai
haha
[8/27/2019 9:59 AM] draco_the_drake
They were accepted by the old board or logistics or expansion or something ... I don't know .. I just loaded and unloaded them .... I did what they told me to do .. I was a good volunteer
[8/27/2019 9:59 AM] yashsedai
we can let @AGr fix this problem
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[8/27/2019 9:59 AM] yashsedai
LOL
[8/27/2019 9:59 AM] yashsedai
you actually completed something?
[8/27/2019 9:59 AM] draco_the_drake
Always
[8/27/2019 9:59 AM] yashsedai
i call bullshit
[8/27/2019 10:00 AM] draco_the_drake
I could call you out on things not completed .. but I wont
[8/27/2019 10:00 AM] yashsedai
go for it
[8/27/2019 10:00 AM] aceat64
Massage chair was to be scrounged for motors?
[8/27/2019 10:00 AM] yashsedai
but you resigned
[8/27/2019 10:00 AM] draco_the_drake
naw .. I'm not a meany
[8/27/2019 10:00 AM] yashsedai
you couldn't even quit properly
[8/27/2019 10:00 AM] draco_the_drake
resigned lol
[8/27/2019 10:00 AM] yashsedai
wtf
[8/27/2019 10:00 AM] draco_the_drake
LOL
[8/27/2019 10:00 AM] draco_the_drake
Not going to argue with ya
[8/27/2019 10:01 AM] yashsedai
lol don't care if you do
[8/27/2019 10:01 AM] draco_the_drake
Even though you so badly do
[8/27/2019 10:01 AM] nullinterface
I mean, it was rather public
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/just-submitted-my-resignation-from-dms/59787
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Just submitted my resignation from DMS
I’m leaving DMS … I just thought i would say Bye.
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[8/27/2019 10:01 AM] yashsedai
you couldn't complete that anyways
[8/27/2019 10:01 AM] aceat64
I've got an idea for the space that needs some motors, I'll see if the chair is useful
[8/27/2019 10:01 AM] yashsedai
lol
[8/27/2019 10:01 AM] yashsedai
i think you should take those motors 😛
[8/27/2019 10:01 AM] draco_the_drake
Would you have rather me written up something like Adnan?
[8/27/2019 10:01 AM] axeonos
Sorry for the delay was trying to catch up on everything that was written 1 we need to get with expansion 2 see if the old CA room or the pillar room can be turned into that I don't know what their plans are I thought it was going to be divided into two new classrooms
[8/27/2019 10:01 AM] draco_the_drake
I thought people didn't like that
[8/27/2019 10:01 AM] yashsedai
We would rather you just left
[8/27/2019 10:01 AM] yashsedai
and not came back
[8/27/2019 10:02 AM] aceat64
@Draco take your stuff to #off_topic
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[8/27/2019 10:02 AM] axeonos
2 Draco and Freddy it would be nice if you left this chat to Logistics
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[8/27/2019 10:02 AM] draco_the_drake
I'm fine with that... Freddy will follow...
[8/27/2019 10:03 AM] aceat64
@Axeonos that would require building walls, putting in doors and changing electrical, it won't happen anytime soon
[8/27/2019 10:03 AM] axeonos
Still a check with expansion could not hurt
[8/27/2019 10:04 AM] axeonos
But I do like the idea of time limits on the computers I think 6 hours is okay but I don't think I can finish anytihng in 4 hours
[8/27/2019 10:05 AM] kenpurcell
Could logistics buy some new chairs? We don't hang around the space enough. I think these would work well https://themodernback.com/products/osaki-os-pro-maestro-massage-chair?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjwqZPrBRBnEiwAmNJsNnxr-41vtC7aLg6V6H1FYt-Bi15tBjnG3bbZNWTjMLz3hESDVPylexoCvL0QAvD_BwE
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[8/27/2019 10:05 AM] aceat64
:oof:
[8/27/2019 10:06 AM] axeonos
Even I know that's a bad idea
[8/27/2019 10:06 AM] kenpurcell
They are on sale!
[8/27/2019 10:06 AM] yashsedai
gross
[8/27/2019 10:07 AM] yashsedai
i suspect would smell like con funk in a matter of hours
[8/27/2019 10:09 AM] kenpurcell
Back on topic. Seriously we need to work on getting a vehicle rental account with approved drivers and insurance.
[8/27/2019 10:09 AM] nullinterface
that or more members with fullsize trucks willing to drive them wherever
[8/27/2019 10:10 AM] yashsedai
i've got a message into my penske rep
[8/27/2019 10:10 AM] yashsedai
he has been busy apparently
[8/27/2019 10:10 AM] aceat64
Logistics doesn't actually go off-site anymore though, other than for when we did off-siting what do we need to rent for?
[8/27/2019 10:11 AM] kenpurcell
Ah damn, that's right. I'm very behind the on the plans.
[8/27/2019 10:12 AM] stephenie.
Vector rents.
[8/27/2019 10:13 AM] aceat64
Anything we need to rent should be able to plan far enough out to get each one on a board agenda
[8/27/2019 10:13 AM] aceat64
Vector rents for events, so they should know with a lot of notice
[8/27/2019 10:14 AM] aceat64
This is more in the line of #finance though
[8/27/2019 10:18 AM] stephenie.
It's on the Finance Action Item list.
[8/27/2019 10:20 AM] judykriehn3727
That problem is self-resolving: host answers doorbell. Except when the host is in Interactive. Where there’s no bell.
[8/27/2019 10:21 AM] andrew5152
Then host, and all guests, get escorted offsite.
[8/27/2019 10:21 AM] andrew5152
bad host
[8/27/2019 10:22 AM] andrew5152
you invite the public, you arrange for them to gain access without infringing on others' rights of quite enjoyment.
[8/27/2019 10:22 AM] andrew5152
(and leaving the door unlocked is not acceptable either, in my opinion)
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[8/27/2019 10:29 AM] judykriehn3727
To be fair, I think they had planned on being in the lobby classroom but there was a computer group in there.
[8/27/2019 10:31 AM] judykriehn3727
But, I agree with your assessment that the host should be the responsible party for their guests. That should be clear in the room reservation process.
[8/27/2019 11:20 AM] nullinterface
@A. Spencer(jast) there was a front door override for the 102 lobby door at one point for the effective purpose of "leaving the door unlocked"
[8/27/2019 11:21 AM] andrew5152
yep. and I was flabbergasted to learn this, and gobsmacked that people actually use it
[8/27/2019 11:21 AM] nullinterface
I recall it being a timer
[8/27/2019 11:21 AM] nullinterface
time-limited codes would be better
[8/27/2019 11:21 AM] andrew5152
but then I remember what a tight-ass rule follower I am...
[8/27/2019 11:22 AM] nullinterface
calendar system generates a random 6-digit code for the class that lasts duration of class +/- 15 minutes an opens the *front* doors
[8/27/2019 11:27 AM] yashsedai
Yep
[8/27/2019 11:27 AM] yashsedai
I actually believe we may have a line on this
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[8/27/2019 11:27 AM] yashsedai
Not eith existing software
[8/27/2019 11:27 AM] yashsedai
Or hardware but a reasonable path to it
[8/27/2019 11:48 AM] canibalcrab
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/massage-chair-in-digital-media-room/54873
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So what’s the deal with the massage chair in digital media? So far I see it taking up a lot of space and what appear to be people sleeping on it.
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[8/27/2019 11:49 AM] canibalcrab
Chair previously belonged to digital media to take apart for motors
[8/27/2019 11:58 AM] aceat64
Cool
[8/27/2019 12:05 PM] canibalcrab
Speaking to "the space should feel like a second home"
Absolutely not, it's a shared workspace. Not a home office. We don't need couches, recliners, home goods
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[8/27/2019 12:32 PM] lavarocks.
Giant bean bags
[8/27/2019 12:33 PM] lavarocks.
Off topic, I'm killing time because apparently I'm going to be at the court all day.
[8/27/2019 12:33 PM] kenpurcell
And my dad's all Marantz Quad System and color light organ.
[8/27/2019 12:34 PM] lavarocks.
I have an old baby grand
[8/27/2019 12:35 PM] lavarocks.
And a total gym
[8/27/2019 12:41 PM] kevpat
Can we use Maker Manager like an IQ test to gain access to the building
Kind of like Idiocracy to identify the brightest of the population.
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[8/27/2019 12:42 PM] kevpat
@yashsedai before you go out an buy RFID readers today can we just try making the square, triangle, circle hole test things and put some wooden blocks around? It's no quite davinci code level but I think it could be a good security system
[8/27/2019 12:49 PM] canibalcrab
I have a data mission for a volunteer
[8/27/2019 12:54 PM] canibalcrab
I have multi month lists of people who were unable to follow the storage policy, that needs to be made useable. Along with lists of people who got extensions.
[8/27/2019 12:56 PM] agr0090
I can do that if you send it to me
[8/27/2019 12:56 PM] agr0090
my bins in a few days plan isn't looking good, need Freddy to add product to whmcs and havent heard back to dm
[8/27/2019 1:01 PM] yashsedai
Haha
[8/27/2019 1:01 PM] yashsedai
I'll make them visible as soon as my meeting I'd fkne
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[8/27/2019 1:01 PM] yashsedai
Done
[8/27/2019 1:03 PM] agr0090
Nice, then I can try to pressure Pearce on when we can pick up shelves
[8/27/2019 3:50 PM] canibalcrab
@michaelb or @AGr will you be at the space around 8pm?
[8/27/2019 3:51 PM] agr0090
no, I cant be there tonight
[8/27/2019 3:51 PM] michaelb5250
Nope, I'm out of town this week
[8/27/2019 3:51 PM] canibalcrab
K
[8/29/2019 1:50 AM] canibalcrab
I cleaned the freebie shelf
[8/29/2019 1:50 AM] canibalcrab
Got everything off the floor.
[8/29/2019 1:51 AM] canibalcrab
And all the stuff stored on the carts. Was wholly inappropriate to do that
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[8/29/2019 1:56 AM] draco_the_drake
I talked to Patrick about how we can fix the issue with the Free shelf ... one idea is to have 4 movable labels ... perhaps laser made or something
Each on a different shelf on the side
<- New Stuff Here
Week 1
Week 2
Last Chance
Then we can rotate the signs each week to different shelves
[8/29/2019 1:57 AM] draco_the_drake
People can only put things on the shelf that is marked New Stuff
[8/29/2019 1:57 AM] draco_the_drake
if that is full .. too bad
[8/29/2019 1:57 AM] draco_the_drake
Each week a group of us can take the Last Chance stuff to the dumpster
[8/29/2019 1:57 AM] draco_the_drake
If it doesn't fit on the self .. too bad
[8/29/2019 1:57 AM] agr0090
limiting free shelf intake to 24 cubic feet a week would be great, I doubt people would abide
[8/29/2019 1:59 AM] draco_the_drake
Well .. lets try it .... if @pearce is ok with it
[8/29/2019 2:28 AM] canibalcrab
Why complicate it
[8/29/2019 2:28 AM] canibalcrab
People can't follow directions or read anyway. This particular time it was caused by a committee chair
[8/29/2019 2:31 AM] draco_the_drake
Because it is easier to clean one shelf than 4 ... anything on the floor gets dumped at the same time each week ... I'm volunteering to help
[8/29/2019 2:31 AM] draco_the_drake
and I know a few others that would as well
[8/29/2019 2:33 AM] agr0090
Its even easier to clean 0 shelves
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[8/29/2019 2:33 AM] draco_the_drake
True but you would have to get rid of project storage too
[8/29/2019 2:33 AM] draco_the_drake
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[8/29/2019 3:57 AM] axeonos
Kinda with Pearce on this one. It's great you wish you wish to volunteer but think of it this way. If you get upset and bow out... or resign from dms...we are back to square one.
[8/29/2019 7:31 AM] draco_the_drake
"we are back to square one" So where we are right now .... so no harm in trying then
[8/29/2019 8:15 AM] nullinterface
the problem with the free shelf is that of regular maintenance
[8/29/2019 8:15 AM] nullinterface
namely it's not regularly maintained
[8/29/2019 8:16 AM] nullinterface
compound it with the fact that it's routinely piled up with material that meets only the most tortured definition of *not garbage* and it goes through an irregular binge-purge cycle
[8/29/2019 8:23 AM] nullinterface
honestly we don't have the foot traffic to achieve what some want to see out of the free shelf. something like *Scrap Denton* seems to be what its proponents envision where detritus with sufficient variety and texture accumulates for use in collages and other low-grade recycling.
[8/29/2019 8:28 AM] nullinterface
I mean, I sort of get the impulse. I've got *years* worth of the spindles that the dog's cr_p sacks are packaged on since I toss them into this little basket that the bags reside in. I always imagine doing a vague *something* with a hundred or so of the things at some point in the future. But the DMS free shelf probably isn't the place to deposit those things should I ultimately decide I'm not going to use them.
[8/29/2019 8:31 AM] nullinterface
But I'm not going to pretend that I'm doing anything heroic by keeping those little spindles out of *Mount Carrollton* - it's a less valuable activity than recycling things that make sense (like aluminum and paper) which is less valuable than reuse and reducing consumption
[8/29/2019 8:41 AM] draco_the_drake
I totally get where you are coming from ... it is not suppose to be a dumping ground for your garage
[8/29/2019 8:41 AM] draco_the_drake
In my mind, it is suppose to be more like a scrap place for that part that you need or a resource
[8/29/2019 8:42 AM] draco_the_drake
But we have not made it clear what we want on the shelf
[8/29/2019 8:42 AM] draco_the_drake
and what we don't
[8/29/2019 8:42 AM] nullinterface
there's useful stuff that gets deposited there for sure
[8/29/2019 8:42 AM] nullinterface
it tends to get snapped up quickly
[8/29/2019 8:42 AM] draco_the_drake
When it gets full, you can't get to anything ..
[8/29/2019 8:42 AM] draco_the_drake
and it isn't useful
[8/29/2019 8:43 AM] nullinterface
and what remains is of such low utility that it's either taken up when the one person that could imagine a use for it in a postmodern *macaroni collage* comes along or it gets dumpster'd
[8/29/2019 8:43 AM] draco_the_drake
Perhaps we need like committee chairs .. someone that accepts stuff for the free shelf
[8/29/2019 8:44 AM] draco_the_drake
or several people
[8/29/2019 8:44 AM] draco_the_drake
and people will eventually get that it is not a dumping ground
[8/29/2019 8:44 AM] draco_the_drake
I imagine it isn't just everyone that is dumping
[8/29/2019 8:44 AM] draco_the_drake
but a few
[8/29/2019 8:52 AM] nullinterface
I suspect that many of the 'contributions' of suff-that's-just-barely-not-garbage should be directed elsewhere
[8/29/2019 9:04 AM] draco_the_drake
We just want the not-garbage ... but we might should define that
[8/29/2019 9:13 AM] andrew5152
Firstly, I think we've been reasonably clear about what is allowed, or more properly, what is NOT allowed:
https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Category:Logistics#Member_Exchange_Shelf
Secondly, over the years I've been here, several people have 'claimed' the member exchange shelf, and promise they're going to keep up with it, including Cairenn, Beth, etc. There even exists a (defunct?) wiki page for a committee to take care of it
https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Member_Exchange_Committee
I think what we need is someone to _actually do the job_. I've considered being that somebody, but I suspect I'll be the next failure, mostly due to time constraints...
I imagine that if I were to do that, it would be a simply do-ocracy take-over. None of this business about committeeing it into the ground first. Just throw shit away, and let 'stuff' sit for a week before it gets tossed, too.
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[8/29/2019 9:14 AM] judykriehn3727
I don’t like the “shelf of the week” concept because some of the shelves are above my sight line. But that said... The location of the shelf unit is an obstacle, in and of itself. Trying to get around that giant blue thing (hoist?) and whatever carts that have landed there tempers the desire to poke around.
[8/29/2019 9:14 AM] draco_the_drake
I can say that the problem seems to have gotten worse since it was moved into the corner
[8/29/2019 9:14 AM] draco_the_drake
With it where it was ... people are more likely to take stuff or clean it
[8/29/2019 9:30 AM] judykriehn3727
@Draco this is just an observation on my part, but perhaps you should state your case and then stop talking. In this thread alone, you’ve made nearly half of the posts.
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[8/29/2019 9:31 AM] stephenie.
The Logistics committee can vote to get rid of it. Eats up volunteer time, eats up real estate. Poor return on investment of DMS resources.
[8/29/2019 9:32 AM] andrew5152
the outcry last time it was removed was...loud
[8/29/2019 9:53 AM] lavarocks.
You never know until you try (again).
[8/29/2019 9:54 AM] nullinterface
the **manufactured outrage** was a thing to behold
[8/29/2019 9:55 AM] nullinterface
but I suppose in the end it produced the desired outcome - derailed Brandon's confirmation as Logistics chair
[8/29/2019 9:55 AM] lavarocks.
I agree that it is a waste of our resources. The last episode where a chair dumped all that and then told us to pay to have it removed was pretty not excellent.
[8/29/2019 9:58 AM] yashsedai
i'd be totally in support of removing the damn thing
[8/29/2019 9:58 AM] lavarocks.
I honestly don't have an opinion either way about the shelf other than logistics should get to decide how to handle it since they are the only ones cleaning it.
[8/29/2019 10:00 AM] lavarocks.
If they get rid of it thos people could easily use makertrade and bring it up to the space to do the exchange.
[8/29/2019 10:01 AM] lavarocks.
How long do you think you spend cleaning it each week?
[8/29/2019 10:01 AM] draco_the_drake
It isn't cleaned weekly
[8/29/2019 10:02 AM] draco_the_drake
It's cleaned about monthly
[8/29/2019 10:02 AM] draco_the_drake
My suggestion was to clean a shelf a week
[8/29/2019 10:06 AM] nullinterface
MX shelf afficionados could have periodic *exchange days*, probably shuffle more stuff and landfill less
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[8/29/2019 10:06 AM] draco_the_drake
That is not a bad idea
[8/29/2019 10:07 AM] nullinterface
I offer generous licensing terms
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[8/29/2019 10:08 AM] nullinterface
although I suspect that such events might also demonstrate how little actual demand there is for a lot of the random junk on the shelf
[8/29/2019 10:09 AM] draco_the_drake
There is little demand when you can't get to anything behind the boxes and junk
[8/29/2019 10:09 AM] nullinterface
thus my suggestion that it be directed at other venues ala *Scrap Denton* where there's more traffic
[8/29/2019 10:09 AM] nullinterface
the dynamics have changed little since it was by the dock - where it was at least easier to load/unload
[8/29/2019 10:10 AM] draco_the_drake
how about this ... metal shop has a scrap pile and has rules for it
[8/29/2019 10:10 AM] draco_the_drake
the free shelf should have similar rules as well
[8/29/2019 10:10 AM] yashsedai
the free shelf already has this
[8/29/2019 10:10 AM] draco_the_drake
They aren't posted
[8/29/2019 10:10 AM] yashsedai
and people consistently muck it up
[8/29/2019 10:10 AM] yashsedai
nor are the metal shops
[8/29/2019 10:11 AM] draco_the_drake
I think Jim made some nice signs saying no cut outs
[8/29/2019 10:11 AM] yashsedai
lol
[8/29/2019 10:11 AM] draco_the_drake
or plasma trash
[8/29/2019 10:11 AM] draco_the_drake
or something like that
[8/29/2019 10:11 AM] draco_the_drake
and monitored it for a while via cameras
[8/29/2019 10:11 AM] draco_the_drake
until people got the hint
[8/29/2019 10:12 AM] yashsedai
i think the part you are missing here is that all of what you want requires more effort by people who already are stretched thin
[8/29/2019 10:12 AM] yashsedai
i can imagineer a solution to the problem, but voluntelling more is a non starter
[8/29/2019 10:12 AM] draco_the_drake
I'm actually not asking Logistics to do it
[8/29/2019 10:13 AM] yashsedai
but they are the responsible party
[8/29/2019 10:13 AM] draco_the_drake
or rather I'm wanting to provide volunteers to Logistics
[8/29/2019 10:13 AM] yashsedai
who?
[8/29/2019 10:13 AM] yashsedai
you?
[8/29/2019 10:13 AM] yashsedai
who else?
[8/29/2019 10:13 AM] nullinterface
pop some out of the blister pack?
[8/29/2019 10:13 AM] yashsedai
haha
[8/29/2019 10:13 AM] nullinterface
or is it more like a pez dispenser?
[8/29/2019 10:14 AM] yashsedai
where can we get this mystical blister pack or pez dispenser
[8/29/2019 10:14 AM] nullinterface
*inquiring minds...*
[8/29/2019 10:14 AM] draco_the_drake
Well .. several of us .. .Patrick, Eric (different Eric) .. to name two
[8/29/2019 10:14 AM] draco_the_drake
I bet I could get a few more
[8/29/2019 10:14 AM] draco_the_drake
it just needs organizing
[8/29/2019 10:15 AM] yashsedai
Still sounds like a non starter to me
[8/29/2019 10:15 AM] yashsedai
there is no long term follow thru
[8/29/2019 10:15 AM] yashsedai
it might go for a month
[8/29/2019 10:15 AM] draco_the_drake
Well... that is true of many things
[8/29/2019 10:15 AM] yashsedai
then back to normal
[8/29/2019 10:15 AM] draco_the_drake
Follow through around here generally means required by law
[8/29/2019 10:15 AM] draco_the_drake
lol
[8/29/2019 10:16 AM] yashsedai
not the case at all
[8/29/2019 10:17 AM] yashsedai
it requires people who want to be here doing these things
[8/29/2019 10:17 AM] draco_the_drake
That requires people to care
[8/29/2019 10:17 AM] draco_the_drake
and want to help the community
[8/29/2019 10:17 AM] yashsedai
they exist
[8/29/2019 10:17 AM] draco_the_drake
They need to be developed
[8/29/2019 10:17 AM] yashsedai
they are engaged
[8/29/2019 10:17 AM] yashsedai
developed?
[8/29/2019 10:17 AM] draco_the_drake
a few
[8/29/2019 10:17 AM] yashsedai
you going to code some?
[8/29/2019 10:17 AM] draco_the_drake
Yes of course .. developed
[8/29/2019 10:18 AM] draco_the_drake
not software .. people
[8/29/2019 10:18 AM] draco_the_drake
Brought into it
[8/29/2019 10:18 AM] yashsedai
I think you might not understand how that works
[8/29/2019 10:18 AM] yashsedai
Having spent 12 years in the trenches of volunteer management
[8/29/2019 10:19 AM] yashsedai
One does not simply develop a volunteer program that shits out people
[8/29/2019 10:19 AM] draco_the_drake
I went around one night .. on the spur of the moment and gathered 4 people willing to help clean the free shelf ... it went rather fast
[8/29/2019 10:19 AM] draco_the_drake
I just had to ask
[8/29/2019 10:20 AM] yashsedai
so we have people at times willing to volunteer
[8/29/2019 10:20 AM] yashsedai
thats not the issue here
[8/29/2019 10:20 AM] draco_the_drake
The issue is you have to ask
[8/29/2019 10:20 AM] draco_the_drake
personally
[8/29/2019 10:20 AM] yashsedai
Requires a warm body to do it, ON THE REGULAR
[8/29/2019 10:21 AM] yashsedai
we don't have that
[8/29/2019 10:21 AM] draco_the_drake
It requires leaders to be regular ... and go around and ask people to help .. in the moment .. most will not show up to work ..
[8/29/2019 10:21 AM] yashsedai
We don't have any leaders to spare
[8/29/2019 10:22 AM] yashsedai
they all have multiple jobs
[8/29/2019 10:22 AM] draco_the_drake
I agree .. we must develop new ones
[8/29/2019 10:22 AM] yashsedai
multiple responsibilities
[8/29/2019 10:22 AM] draco_the_drake
new leaders
[8/29/2019 10:22 AM] yashsedai
Volunteer leaders are not generally devloped
[8/29/2019 10:22 AM] yashsedai
It requires the unobtanium that they show up with the want to lead
[8/29/2019 10:23 AM] draco_the_drake
It requires caring about the community and the people in it enough
[8/29/2019 10:23 AM] yashsedai
Not why I do what I do
[8/29/2019 10:23 AM] draco_the_drake
I know
[8/29/2019 10:24 AM] yashsedai
Others the same
[8/29/2019 10:24 AM] yashsedai
There is community care
[8/29/2019 10:24 AM] yashsedai
but not like what you want
[8/29/2019 10:24 AM] draco_the_drake
I tend to agree with you for some ... many have an objective that they want done
[8/29/2019 10:25 AM] yashsedai
Amongst the actual leaders at DMS, the only motivation is care for the ORG
[8/29/2019 10:25 AM] yashsedai
This includes me
[8/29/2019 10:25 AM] yashsedai
People come and go and are icing on the cake
[8/29/2019 10:25 AM] yashsedai
We do it for love of the game
[8/29/2019 10:25 AM] draco_the_drake
I don't disagree with you ... however I think there is a difference in opinion on what is good for DMS and what is not
[8/29/2019 10:26 AM] yashsedai
The difference is, those who are leading get to make those choices and steer
[8/29/2019 10:26 AM] yashsedai
They are putting in the equity to do so
[8/29/2019 10:26 AM] canibalcrab
I'm not super inclined to make the freebie shelf complicated. I have a very regular group of volunteers who show up on the 1st and 2nd Sundays for logistics work. That's when we clean the shelf as well. Random events make me have to do it outside of that timeline
[8/29/2019 10:26 AM] draco_the_drake
There are many in leadership roles at DMS besides the D&O
[8/29/2019 10:27 AM] yashsedai
and?
[8/29/2019 10:28 AM] draco_the_drake
It is not fully top down
[8/29/2019 10:28 AM] draco_the_drake
nor should it be
[8/29/2019 10:28 AM] yashsedai
lol
[8/29/2019 10:28 AM] yashsedai
there are dedicated chair people that contribute
[8/29/2019 10:28 AM] yashsedai
I never said there wasn't
[8/29/2019 10:29 AM] draco_the_drake
There are past chairs that lead .. and others ..
[8/29/2019 10:29 AM] yashsedai
there are past chairs that offer advice
[8/29/2019 10:30 AM] nullinterface
*It requires the unobtanium that they show up with the want to lead*
**THIS**
The reality of DMS is that member half-life is about 8 months. Pretty much everyone in this channel *is an exception*
[8/29/2019 10:30 AM] draco_the_drake
I think it is a mistake to confuse authority and leadership
[8/29/2019 10:30 AM] yashsedai
there is no confusion here
[8/29/2019 10:30 AM] yashsedai
There are very few TRUE leaders
[8/29/2019 10:30 AM] nullinterface
hell, I'm more of a *doer* myself
[8/29/2019 10:30 AM] yashsedai
there are many that have some authority, leaders it makes them not
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[8/29/2019 10:31 AM] draco_the_drake
@ESmith ... you are head of the Governance Group right?
[8/29/2019 10:32 AM] draco_the_drake
I wasn't trying to connect the last two statements
[8/29/2019 10:32 AM] draco_the_drake
I think Erik is doing a great job
[8/29/2019 10:33 AM] draco_the_drake
But @yashsedai you are absolutely correct
[8/29/2019 10:34 AM] draco_the_drake
You have to be able to inspire people to lead .. not just boss people and run them over
[8/29/2019 10:34 AM] nullinterface
I am. I've yet to recruit anyone for it so it's a Group of 1
[8/29/2019 10:34 AM] yashsedai
Was that boss people and run them over for me?
[8/29/2019 10:34 AM] draco_the_drake
I don't know ... do you think you are doing that? It isn't directed to anyone
[8/29/2019 10:35 AM] yashsedai
LOL
[8/29/2019 10:35 AM] yashsedai
Doesn't matter what I think, only matters what I do
[8/29/2019 10:35 AM] draco_the_drake
Thoughts lead to actions
[8/29/2019 10:35 AM] yashsedai
Perception is for the beholder
[8/29/2019 10:35 AM] yashsedai
I will never control what others perceive
[8/29/2019 10:36 AM] yashsedai
I have some influence but no control
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[8/29/2019 10:36 AM] yashsedai
I identify problems, propose solutions, seek feedback and execute.
[8/29/2019 10:36 AM] draco_the_drake
You do influence ... your recent actions to shut down discussion
[8/29/2019 10:36 AM] draco_the_drake
for example
[8/29/2019 10:37 AM] yashsedai
There is a time and place for things
[8/29/2019 10:37 AM] draco_the_drake
"You don’t get a say in this."
[8/29/2019 10:37 AM] draco_the_drake
Everyone can say what they will ...and should be able to
[8/29/2019 10:37 AM] yashsedai
Its a statement of fact
[8/29/2019 10:37 AM] yashsedai
As the responsible party
[8/29/2019 10:37 AM] yashsedai
I'll manage it as needed
[8/29/2019 10:38 AM] yashsedai
Mr Gorman doesn't get to dictate where I manage things
[8/29/2019 10:38 AM] draco_the_drake
We all need to have to be able to say what they want as long as it doesn't violate the rules .... the authority should not be filtering content only moderating for rules
[8/29/2019 10:39 AM] yashsedai
You believe you get a say in everything
[8/29/2019 10:39 AM] draco_the_drake
just because they don't like it
[8/29/2019 10:39 AM] yashsedai
Its just not real
[8/29/2019 10:39 AM] draco_the_drake
The membership does get a say in everything!
[8/29/2019 10:39 AM] yashsedai
They don't
[8/29/2019 10:39 AM] yashsedai
This is not democracy
[8/29/2019 10:40 AM] draco_the_drake
I think you misundestand me ... when I say "say" .. I mean have a voice
[8/29/2019 10:40 AM] yashsedai
Nobody has an issue with voice
[8/29/2019 10:40 AM] draco_the_drake
you do
[8/29/2019 10:40 AM] yashsedai
The bottom line is you posted something that is a business function. This only leads to confusion and was not yours to do
[8/29/2019 10:40 AM] yashsedai
The org has a right to shut that down anytime anywhere
[8/29/2019 10:41 AM] draco_the_drake
This is not an unreasonable question to be asked on Talk
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Purchases question
How are purchases authorized if we are unsure of committee balances
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[8/29/2019 10:41 AM] draco_the_drake
We need to take this out of Logistics
[8/29/2019 10:41 AM] canibalcrab
Boys. Take this to #general_chatter. This is the channel where I complain about storage and the freebie shelf
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[8/29/2019 10:41 AM] yashsedai
lol
[8/29/2019 10:43 AM] judykriehn3727
We have a freebie shelf?
[8/29/2019 10:43 AM] judykriehn3727
(Ducks)
[8/29/2019 10:44 AM] canibalcrab
I actually hate the location for it
[8/29/2019 10:44 AM] canibalcrab
And I moved it there
[8/29/2019 10:44 AM] canibalcrab
But it was not in a good place being mid tables.
[8/29/2019 10:53 AM] andrew5152
not any more. now it's the "member exchange shelf" 🤓
[8/29/2019 10:53 AM] andrew5152
what do you think about removing it (pending committee vote, minutes, etc.)?
[8/29/2019 10:55 AM] michaelb5250
There's no committee votes, since we're a group. If Pearce decides to get rid of it, it'll be gone before you blink.
[8/29/2019 10:55 AM] canibalcrab
That's true
[8/29/2019 10:55 AM] canibalcrab
And may be the case if people can't keep it clean and keep paint and crts screens off it
[8/29/2019 10:56 AM] michaelb5250
Plant paint and crts on the shelf. Got it.
[8/29/2019 11:00 AM] aceat64
I think if Draco wants to run it, let him. With the explicit understanding that if it's not kept up we'll get rid of the shelf entirely.
[8/29/2019 11:01 AM] canibalcrab
Like last time, it would come back under some other poorly managed committee
[8/29/2019 11:01 AM] aceat64
If no one wants to maintain it, it should be removed.
[8/29/2019 11:01 AM] canibalcrab
How hard is it to keep the shit off the floor
[8/29/2019 11:04 AM] aceat64
Here's my proposal, Draco creates an Exchange Shelf SIG under logistics, they get no funding (shouldn't need any), they are in charge of the shelf, we set criteria for the shelf maintenance, if it's not kept up we toss the shelf entirely. If some other committee wants to run the shelf, let them be the junk pile.
[8/29/2019 11:06 AM] aceat64
Dealing with committee areas being a mess is a problem for the president and/or board
[8/29/2019 11:11 AM] andrew5152
just sayin' you don't to look like a self-serving dictator in removing it, lest you rile up "them"... So "committee voted to get rid of it...you should have been there" is a valid strategy, in my opinion...
[8/29/2019 11:14 AM] canibalcrab
I'm actually pro freebie shelf. It just needs a better location, and that needs expansion to finish
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[8/29/2019 11:22 AM] axeonos
The Proposal is good just know Draco is not the first who wants to be in charge of a certain section like it was stated before there was careen and beth and others they wanted to take control of it and they let it slip through either not showing up for a long time and the area became a mess or they had no charge or didn't look like they were taking care of it. He's not the first and if another committee wants to take care of it so be it
[8/29/2019 11:24 AM] canibalcrab
I'm not sending it to another committee sorry.
[8/29/2019 11:24 AM] canibalcrab
I can at least maintain it myself when it gets bad if it stays in logistics
[8/29/2019 11:25 AM] canibalcrab
I don't need a rule that "only stuff on shelf 4 can be thrown away"
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[8/29/2019 12:03 PM] judykriehn3727
Maybe we could have "blue light specials". Take one object, choose another one free!
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[8/29/2019 12:23 PM] axeonos
Or take an object pitch an object
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[8/29/2019 12:32 PM] nullinterface
or deposit *the entirety* of the shelf into your vehicle and/or the dumpster
[8/29/2019 12:33 PM] yashsedai
^^^^^^
[8/29/2019 1:17 PM] nullinterface
make it a contest. **you get all of the shelf so long as you *remove its contents*.**
[8/29/2019 1:24 PM] agr0090
"If no one wants to maintain it, it should be removed." I dont think that kind of heresy is allowed here
[8/29/2019 1:25 PM] yashsedai
lol
[8/29/2019 5:40 PM] stephenie.
I'm with Brandon on this one. It's outlived the ability of someone to formally maintain it. Time to let go.
[8/29/2019 5:43 PM] agr0090
hey don't pin that idea on me, I have no position on the free shelf
[8/29/2019 5:47 PM] mell.jpg
Hahaha
[8/29/2019 5:49 PM] denzuko
Count me out for trying to save that, I know im going to be seen as the ass hat for some time over the recent overload but on the level the freeby shelf was a nice idea and while some find value in it for collecting tech ( not myself mind you ) but imho the whole thing would better served as a first Saturday type of exchange between members.
[8/29/2019 5:50 PM] denzuko
Just my 2 cent herecy
[8/29/2019 5:50 PM] denzuko
I'll shut up now about it ;)
[8/29/2019 8:33 PM] draco_the_drake
@Axeonos said "The Proposal is good just know Draco is not the first who wants to be in charge" ... I am going to say this straight, I am not taking care of the Free Shelf for the rest of my life .. this is NOT a life appointment... it needs to be handed to someone else at some point
[8/29/2019 8:35 PM] draco_the_drake
That said.. I have several ideas for it that I think are worth a try
[8/29/2019 8:35 PM] draco_the_drake
I'm willing... if @pearce is willing to let me and several others run with it
[8/29/2019 8:36 PM] draco_the_drake
(not literally run with the shelf as that would be silly, shelves don't run)
[8/29/2019 8:45 PM] axeonos
you misconstrue my words. i meant your not the first to want to do it- @aceat64 proposal was good. i have no charge. nor am i in charge of ANYTHING. please dont put words in my mouth. i dont appreciate it
[8/29/2019 8:46 PM] agr0090
I think Pearce should say yes, there is no downside for him
[8/29/2019 8:49 PM] nullinterface
There are a lot of interesting ideas for the shelf - duration of tenure, slow progressive conveyor to the dumpster - but they all require administration, capital, and/or labor that's not available
[8/29/2019 8:59 PM] draco_the_drake
@Axeonos "please dont put words in my mouth. i dont appreciate it" ... It was my misunderstanding then .. I am sorry
[8/29/2019 11:11 PM] hardsuit
Is MAP gas allowed to be stored on the project shelves?
[8/29/2019 11:27 PM] canibalcrab
technically yes. if the fire marshal is feeling like a dick? no
[8/30/2019 12:36 AM] agr0090
Who is sawing plywood and then not cleaning up in warehouse?
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[8/30/2019 12:36 AM] yashsedai
any idea when it happened?
[8/30/2019 12:37 AM] canibalcrab
seems like a lot
[8/30/2019 12:37 AM] canibalcrab
jewelry or glassworks may have done it
[8/30/2019 12:37 AM] canibalcrab
remaking their table tops
[8/30/2019 4:10 AM] hon1nbo
@@pearce my understanding is that MAP gas still has to be in a fire cabinet. Since we're a commercial property we don't fall under residential exceptions
[8/30/2019 9:37 AM] canibalcrab
And I've heard otherwise when I asked about it
[8/30/2019 4:23 PM] hon1nbo
This seems like it may be a Rich question
[8/30/2019 4:24 PM] hon1nbo
even if it's permitted there may be requirements about elevated stoarge. Even ignoring potential code I've had to stop a propane bottle from failling off top row project storage before when people are grabbing things
[8/31/2019 5:11 PM] canibalcrab
Tomorrow is storage expiration. That means we need people to tag, make calls, take photos, and document infractions. Come help out. It's fun. I promise people only make threats of violence
[8/31/2019 5:48 PM] lavarocks.
We need more trashbaggis
[8/31/2019 5:48 PM] canibalcrab
Freddy said he was bringing some?
[8/31/2019 5:49 PM] lavarocks.
Oh, nm. JJ just told me we were out
[8/31/2019 5:49 PM] canibalcrab
Otherwise I can bring some when I come in tomorrow for logistics
[8/31/2019 6:35 PM] yashsedai
I have not made it down yet, but I have 2 boxes in my car
[8/31/2019 6:35 PM] yashsedai
i'll be down a bit later after i get food
[8/31/2019 6:36 PM] canibalcrab
Thanks
[9/1/2019 1:36 PM] canibalcrab
Might be a bit late as I have to drive the bus to the space sowe can work on it later
[9/1/2019 1:39 PM] judykriehn3727
How long until you’re westward ho? (Not to be confused with westward ho’s)
[9/1/2019 1:39 PM] aceat64
Near the end of september
[9/1/2019 1:40 PM] judykriehn3727
And in case unclear, the voyage to the big event out west that the cruel bus pilgrimages to.
[9/1/2019 1:41 PM] aceat64
I'll have APRS going on my Jeep so people can follow along with us
[9/1/2019 1:41 PM] judykriehn3727
Cool. Thanks! The offer still stands on assisting with costumery
[9/1/2019 1:41 PM] aceat64
Likely leaving late on the 20th or super early on the 21st
[9/1/2019 1:48 PM] canibalcrab
Please let anyone looking for an extension that we are on the way. Might be 15 mins late
[9/1/2019 1:50 PM] andrew5152
for the uninitiated heathens amongst us, APRS is....?
[9/1/2019 1:58 PM] aceat64
Automatic Packet Reporting System
[9/1/2019 1:59 PM] aceat64
Basically a way for amateur radio operators to send data such as position and other telemetry stuff
[9/1/2019 2:09 PM] andrew5152
thus? https://aprs.fi/#!lat=33.0951&lng=-96.8805
[9/1/2019 2:09 PM] aceat64
Yeah
[9/1/2019 2:22 PM] judykriehn3727
Psst. @A. Spencer(jast) Thanks for asking about the acronym. I’m obviously an uninitiated heathen as well.
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[9/1/2019 2:24 PM] andrew5152
No problemo. I was secretly hoping for more of a tutorial on _how_ knowing it would be available would lead to my being able to vicariously trek to Cali, but it looks like I'll be googling some more and getting frustrated...
[9/1/2019 2:24 PM] andrew5152
;-D
[9/1/2019 2:24 PM] canibalcrab
Am here in workshop for people who need extensions
[9/1/2019 2:28 PM] canibalcrab
Looks like all of the spots are expired
[9/1/2019 2:55 PM] canibalcrab
"youre storage has expired, please pick it up before 9/8 or it will be moved to storage purgatory. Extensions were given out to those who came to the meeting."
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[9/1/2019 2:56 PM] sewingstuff2561
Your storage but yes
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[9/1/2019 2:59 PM] canibalcrab
:notsure:
[9/1/2019 3:00 PM] canibalcrab
It's vocal scripting
[9/1/2019 3:00 PM] sewingstuff2561
Unless they are made of storage.
[9/1/2019 3:00 PM] sewingstuff2561
You are storage now and Brandon must clean you!
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[9/1/2019 3:01 PM] andrew5152
your you're and yore.... yep. all sound the same to me...
[9/1/2019 4:41 PM] judykriehn3727
And there you go. Gettin’ all grammarly.
[9/2/2019 3:24 PM] stansimmons2031
Any idea where the blue bbq grill is hiding? Rose brought meat.
[9/2/2019 3:25 PM] agr0090
Behind metal shear probably
[9/2/2019 6:08 PM] stansimmons2031
Well, that is a handy place to put it.
[9/2/2019 6:41 PM] aceat64
All the committee storage got moved over in that area iirc
[9/2/2019 7:47 PM] canibalcrab
I also hadn't been used in forever. It's lucky we didn't get rid of it
[9/2/2019 8:11 PM] agr0090
Could probably rearrange paper goods closet and move all logistics stuff in there
[9/4/2019 12:52 PM] agr0090
@pearce we have 6.5 full pallets of 44 large bins, can I post them as for sale to members for take home use at $5 each? We paid about $9 each for them originally
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[9/4/2019 12:52 PM] agr0090
@pearce
[9/4/2019 12:52 PM] canibalcrab
Nop. Stop that
[9/4/2019 1:13 PM] michaelb5250
What else we gonna do with them?
[9/4/2019 1:13 PM] agr0090
Stop what? Aren't we going to have to liquidate some bins eventually?
[9/4/2019 1:16 PM] michaelb5250
@AGr DMS large bin races. Like soap box races, but infinitely more flimsy
[9/4/2019 1:16 PM] michaelb5250
We'll probably wreck/ruin enough to get rid of the excess
[9/4/2019 1:17 PM] agr0090
would you have to join together 2 lengthwise to be able to sit in it?
[9/4/2019 1:17 PM] agr0090
not many hills near DMS
[9/4/2019 1:18 PM] michaelb5250
Yeah probably need two per vehicle. The ramps are good for testing.
[9/4/2019 1:18 PM] canibalcrab
There's the one at the top of the road in
[9/4/2019 1:18 PM] canibalcrab
Start on the train tracks
[9/4/2019 1:19 PM] canibalcrab
Race to tanners
[9/4/2019 1:26 PM] nullinterface
bonus points for running a red light
[9/4/2019 1:28 PM] canibalcrab
Hold up
[9/4/2019 1:28 PM] canibalcrab
No one said we needed brakes
[9/4/2019 1:29 PM] nullinterface
they would only hurt performance
[9/4/2019 1:29 PM] agr0090
tuck and roll
[9/4/2019 3:11 PM] lavarocks.
Bonus bonus points for sliding under the train
[9/4/2019 3:18 PM] yashsedai
and living
[9/4/2019 3:18 PM] yashsedai
foul if you get crushed and splatted
[9/4/2019 3:53 PM] nullinterface
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[9/4/2019 4:11 PM] hon1nbo
I love how you can see the cart used for the slide in that video. Certain level of just not caring
[9/4/2019 4:29 PM] nullinterface
older-school filmmaking where the conceits are more blatant and the assumption is the audience will only ever see it in the theaters and probably only watch the scene once
[9/4/2019 4:31 PM] andrew5152
not sure what film that is, but... there's something to be said for "B-cinema cultists" e.g. toxic avenger (or anything from Troma), anything by robert rodriguez, etc. wherein this kind of thing is expected...
[9/4/2019 4:33 PM] aceat64
iirc he's a super popular bollywood actor
[9/4/2019 5:03 PM] agr0090
what is the shear strength of 1/4" petg? wondering if building a shelf for tool wall can get away with a bunch of 3d printed pegs or if I should just 3d print something to hold cutoff metal peg
[9/4/2019 5:05 PM] agr0090
18" deep at a 30 degree angle, out of 1/2" plywood
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[9/4/2019 5:06 PM] agr0090
things like these overloaded baskets only have 2 pegs
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[9/4/2019 5:24 PM] michaelb5250
Given the orientation I assume you're printing it in, basically nothing.
[9/4/2019 5:38 PM] agr0090
will have to print some at different orientations and test, seems plausible I could get 10 to 20 pounds out of each 3d printed peg
[9/4/2019 5:40 PM] agr0090
as long as layers don't align with shear force
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[9/4/2019 6:02 PM] agr0090
might be easier to just screw a french cleat to the pegboard
[9/4/2019 6:24 PM] michaelb5250
What's the pegboard being used for otherwise? We could try all french cleat
[9/4/2019 6:28 PM] agr0090
other tools not on shelf would be on metal pegs
[9/4/2019 6:31 PM] michaelb5250
Oh, right. I forgot about the non battery powered plebian tools
[9/6/2019 1:21 PM] agr0090
@michaelb want to help build a toolwall on sunday?
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[9/6/2019 1:46 PM] michaelb5250
Out of town again this weekend.
[9/7/2019 10:24 AM] canibalcrab
10 -11 slots need to be moved tomorrow. Shouldn't be too bad
[9/7/2019 11:26 AM] judykriehn3727
I’ll have some bins for purgatory as well.
[9/7/2019 11:31 PM] agr0090
Buttons seem nonoperational on warehouse ramp door
[9/7/2019 11:31 PM] agr0090
Using chain to open/close is easy though
[9/8/2019 12:22 PM] canibalcrab
Y'all ready to do some storage clean out?
[9/8/2019 12:49 PM] agr0090
There are 2 pallets from lost and found in warehouse if we want to throw those away
[9/8/2019 12:59 PM] canibalcrab
I will check those in just a bit
[9/8/2019 7:22 PM] hardsuit
Not sure if this is useable for the big bins, but they gave these racks at Lowe's
[9/8/2019 7:23 PM] hardsuit
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[9/8/2019 7:24 PM] hardsuit
Err, have these racks. Gives us a narrower option to use, and is sized specifically for the big totes
[9/9/2019 3:06 PM] agr0090
```Organize paper goods closet off common room
Move logistics shelf contents into common room
Move dprg stuff onto pallets in warehouse (this two additional shelves for project storage)
Convert pallet rack against blue vector wall into another vertical storage rack
Move all recently tagged vertical storage items to new vertical storage rack
Chain up old vertical storage rack with lots of sign saying to use new rack instead
After 4 weeks, trash all old vertical storage rack contents```
[9/9/2019 3:08 PM] agr0090
a possible approach to cleaning up the vertical project storage racks, would need to purchase metal pipe and weld onto some crossmembers to make a new rack
[9/9/2019 3:12 PM] nullinterface
regular crossbeams a simpler solution to closing down vertical storage
[9/9/2019 3:13 PM] agr0090
the current rack is ~3 feet deep, there is ~7 feet deep worth of material loaded into it
[9/9/2019 3:14 PM] agr0090
I wonder if welding on a bunch of 3/4" iron pipe flanges would be a good approach https://www.homedepot.com/p/VPC-3-4-in-FPT-Black-Malleable-Iron-FPT-Floor-Flange-16-521-604/205955667
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[9/9/2019 3:15 PM] canibalcrab
Right off the bat I'm going to say we can't put dprg on pallets. The pallets get shopped too often.
[9/9/2019 3:16 PM] agr0090
Can insert a, setup shelf in warehouse, put dprg stuff onto shelf in warehouse so its not on a pallet step
[9/9/2019 3:18 PM] canibalcrab
I would like to set up pallet racks in 102. It's in discussion with expansion
[9/9/2019 3:18 PM] agr0090
or even better, use crate material from laser delivery that is still sitting there to crate up dprg stuff on a pallet, even safer
[9/9/2019 3:21 PM] agr0090
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[9/9/2019 3:31 PM] michaelb5250
Moving all the logistics stuff into paper goods can be done without money or buy in. How confident are we that it'll fit, and do we want to put the grill in there or trash it?
[9/9/2019 3:32 PM] michaelb5250
I say trash it, for the record.
[9/9/2019 3:33 PM] yashsedai
second on trashing it
[9/9/2019 3:33 PM] yashsedai
someone wants to bring one thats one thing, otherwise no go
[9/9/2019 3:46 PM] canibalcrab
If someone wants to grill at the space we have plenty of members who are willing to bring/show off their grill
[9/9/2019 3:47 PM] canibalcrab
I'm for trashing the grill. It doesn't belong in that closet anyway
[9/9/2019 4:51 PM] stephenie.
Trash the grill. Unnecessary, inappropriate amenity.
[9/9/2019 5:29 PM] judykriehn3727
What logistics stuff needs to go somewhere?
[9/9/2019 5:30 PM] canibalcrab
We have a shelf taking up space on the pallet racks
[9/9/2019 5:33 PM] agr0090
It's the stuff in corner of old vector above metal shear, some boxes of random stuff and roboreels
[9/9/2019 5:33 PM] agr0090
Some things like cardboard boxes and the wrap could go into purgatory room
[9/9/2019 5:43 PM] canibalcrab
true
[9/9/2019 9:56 PM] stansimmons2031
Give it back to the person that bought it, rather than trashing it.
[9/9/2019 10:02 PM] yashsedai
who is that
[9/9/2019 10:32 PM] stansimmons2031
Kris.
[9/9/2019 10:33 PM] stansimmons2031
And no, it wasn't bought with DMS funds.
[9/9/2019 10:34 PM] stansimmons2031
The idea of throwing away a perfectly good, barely used item just seems wrong.
[9/9/2019 11:02 PM] stephenie.
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[9/9/2019 11:17 PM] stephenie.
*Give it back to the person that bought it...*
We have a system for recording who has loaned a committee something.
Otherwise, we must rely on someone like yourself remembering the loan.
Logistics does not have a record of the loan.
*Rule 11.2 Loaning of Tools & Equipment to the Makerspace. Loaned items may be returned at any time by request of the owner or as determined by the accepting committee.*
@kriskat30 can ask for it back and prove that it is hers.
@pearce can give it back to her if he thinks it is hers.
If it was recorded as a loan.
*...rather than trashing it...The idea of throwing away a perfectly good, barely used item just seems wrong."*
It does seem wrong.
Though the decommissioning of property is not codified in our rules, we've had long standing practices of donating items to other non-profits or making arm's length sales.
Some items may have too little value to invest time in selling or donating.
Thus the dumpster.
Kessinger has typed at length about this on Talk.
[9/9/2019 11:18 PM] stephenie.
If it was a gift, then Logistics can decommission it per these practices.
[9/9/2019 11:21 PM] draco_the_drake
If Logistics does not have a record, it would seem to me that it should go in Lost and Found
[9/9/2019 11:23 PM] stephenie.
Not a lost item that accidentally got left here.
[9/9/2019 11:23 PM] draco_the_drake
How do you know?
[9/9/2019 11:23 PM] stephenie.
Stop it.
[9/9/2019 11:23 PM] draco_the_drake
Do you have a record?
[9/9/2019 11:23 PM] draco_the_drake
You pretty much know it is Kris's ... just ask her and let her take it
[9/9/2019 11:24 PM] draco_the_drake
Stop making trouble
[9/9/2019 11:30 PM] canibalcrab
do you have a record of that?
[9/9/2019 11:30 PM] draco_the_drake
We have witnesses
[9/9/2019 11:31 PM] canibalcrab
go on
[9/9/2019 11:32 PM] draco_the_drake
I really don't understand why this is such a big deal... should we discuss this in the member meeting? We can bring forth witnesses and have a line up
[9/9/2019 11:33 PM] kriskat309685
I gifted it to the space. If you do not want it then feel free to put on the give away shelf. It’s a perfectly useful item that someone will want. I can put it there myself , it’s no bother.
[9/9/2019 11:33 PM] draco_the_drake
There ya go ...
[9/9/2019 11:33 PM] yashsedai
Lol draco
[9/9/2019 11:33 PM] yashsedai
Is your rallying cry now "do we need to discuss that in the member meeting"
[9/9/2019 11:33 PM] draco_the_drake
Trash it or make some good BBQ
[9/9/2019 11:34 PM] draco_the_drake
Naw .. I would rather have some good BBQ
[9/9/2019 11:34 PM] yashsedai
I think you may be sad to find out it may not work like you think
[9/9/2019 11:35 PM] draco_the_drake
What? Make a big deal over this? I just wanted it to stop .. i was using the member meeting thing as a way to show how over the top it has become
[9/9/2019 11:35 PM] draco_the_drake
of course I wouldn't do that
[9/9/2019 11:35 PM] yashsedai
Lol riiight
[9/9/2019 11:35 PM] stephenie.
We cannot put DMS property on the Freebie shelf.
[9/9/2019 11:36 PM] draco_the_drake
Who is being the pedant now?
[9/9/2019 11:36 PM] stephenie.
Thank you, @kriskat30 for clearing up the mystery.
[9/9/2019 11:37 PM] kriskat309685
You are welcome.
[9/10/2019 12:12 AM] draco_the_drake
It looks like PR may want to claim it.
[9/10/2019 1:40 AM] agr0090
The steel square tube wall is more rigid if you run into the wall, both are solid (can hang a person off front of wall and it deflects 1/2"), the wood version was much cheaper
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[9/10/2019 1:42 AM] agr0090
I assumed that doubling up the 2x4 vertically would be ok but it would have been more rigid with the columns rotated 90 degrees. This way just made gussets very easy to screw on
[9/10/2019 2:21 AM] agr0090
Will be interesting to see if this sticks
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[9/10/2019 2:30 AM] canibalcrab
What's that about
[9/10/2019 2:32 AM] agr0090
Would be better as woodshop annex instead of a walkway, was always ridiculously tight to get to clamps
[9/10/2019 3:10 AM] hon1nbo
@AGr that's a fire code violation
[9/10/2019 3:10 AM] hon1nbo
that's considered the extinguisher for that area, and you're not allowed to obstruct it in any way
[9/10/2019 3:11 AM] hon1nbo
if we're going to try something like that it needs to be moved
[9/10/2019 3:12 AM] hon1nbo
it may not seem like much, but a person can't be made to reach around something to get to the extinguisher (ask metal shop that was cited because someone had to reach around something)
[9/10/2019 3:15 AM] hon1nbo
with tape like that a person now has to extend out to pick the extinguisher up, rather than have it right in front of them, and have to lift it between the obstruction
[9/10/2019 3:18 AM] agr0090
From perspective of someone standing in woodshop annex? They could walk around woodshop pallet racks to get unobstructed access to fire extinguisher
[9/10/2019 9:53 AM] yashsedai
is this caution tape still up? it needs to come down
[9/10/2019 11:03 AM] hon1nbo
@yashsedai it looks to still be up
[9/10/2019 11:14 AM] yashsedai
😦
[9/10/2019 11:14 AM] yashsedai
im stuck at home currently
[9/10/2019 11:32 AM] hon1nbo
I made a volunteer task on talk for it
[9/10/2019 11:46 AM] yashsedai
ty
[9/10/2019 12:11 PM] kevpat
I took it down
[9/10/2019 12:13 PM] yashsedai
my hero
[9/10/2019 12:20 PM] hon1nbo
you did an amazing job taking it down.
[9/10/2019 12:20 PM] artg_dms8185
Sooo.....Inquiring minds would like to know when the Personal Bin "cave" will be dismantled and moved.
[9/10/2019 12:24 PM] yashsedai
I think that should read, YOU want to know when it will be moved
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[9/10/2019 12:33 PM] artg_dms8185
Yes......so.... Electronics and Science both would like to know. Logistics needs to come up w/ plan and run it through Expansion and then the BoD and then get it done. It's been approved by the BoD and that floor space no longer belongs to Logistics.
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[9/10/2019 12:43 PM] axeonos
If memory serves me right it was dismantled and put there without logistics permission in the first place, and seeing as most rooms have been laid dibs on, "inquiring minds" will have to wait for logistics to come up with a plan as to where to move the bins to.
[9/10/2019 12:52 PM] yashsedai
Sounds like patience is the order of the day
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[9/10/2019 12:56 PM] canibalcrab
@artg_dms we have to work out a solution. Just because you say expansion needs it done, doesn't mean I can wave a magic wand and make it happen.
[9/10/2019 12:56 PM] yashsedai
There is no "expansion" reason to my knowledge pushing this
[9/10/2019 12:56 PM] nullinterface
same
[9/10/2019 12:57 PM] canibalcrab
The board wants the security issue resolved of the dark aisle created by it. I could do that easily but you wouldn't be happy with the results.
[9/10/2019 12:58 PM] nullinterface
shop light fix? 😂
[9/10/2019 12:58 PM] yashsedai
and camera haha
[9/10/2019 1:00 PM] artg_dms8185
The current set of floor plans from Expansion have current and future areas where the personal bins can be located. Original plans called for bins to be distributed across the DMS complex. Plz see Talk on the topic. Logistics needs to take care of this before putting up shelves for the rental bins. Also some BoD members view the " cave" as a safety issue. Lights are are temp fix. Take a time out fro m those "more fun" projects and get it done.
[9/10/2019 1:00 PM] yashsedai
Art
[9/10/2019 1:01 PM] yashsedai
With respect, as you have been told multiple times, they are working on a solution. Continulally yelling get it done only provides a detriment to this situation
[9/10/2019 1:01 PM] nullinterface
if E-Lab and Science are *hard up* for space, they can reclaim more square footage by cleaning up than they're going to get from pushing into the bin cave
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[9/10/2019 1:02 PM] yashsedai
Also, the concept that you get to dictate a timeline is ridiculous
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[9/10/2019 1:03 PM] michaelb5250
@artg_dms my unsolicited advice, if you want this done, get someone else to push it. As it is it looks pretty bad that the only person harping on this is the most likely to benefit from it.
[9/10/2019 1:03 PM] artg_dms8185
Not seeing any progress or work on this. Absolutely none. Haven't dictated anything...yet.
[9/10/2019 1:04 PM] yashsedai
Yet? If you want to go down that road, I'll let you know here and now you get to dictate NOTHING.
[9/10/2019 1:04 PM] michaelb5250
And come up with better reasons than expansion wants it. I'm sure expansion had a good reason for it, so just tell us what it is.
[9/10/2019 1:13 PM] artg_dms8185
No, I don't get to dictate anything. Prefer not to go down that road. But there are those who can. Pointless argument.. Topic was brought up in a Sat. mrng w/ BoD and Expansion. At least 2 BoD members immediately agreed that the bin "cave" needed to be moved. There are notes / minutes on the mtng.
[9/10/2019 1:15 PM] yashsedai
We agreed to address it
[9/10/2019 1:17 PM] canibalcrab
I will work on the fastest solution for the cave aspect of the bin section to abide by the boards wishes
[9/10/2019 1:18 PM] yashsedai
I'm confused why its continuing to be pushed when its been stated multiple times that its being worked on.
[9/10/2019 1:19 PM] yashsedai
I've spoken to quite a few poeple and keep hearing that at every opportunity you mention this
[9/10/2019 1:19 PM] yashsedai
What is the fire about?
[9/10/2019 1:21 PM] artg_dms8185
Freddy you're a member of team_expansion, right? Go check your posts for the Sat mtng posted on july 27. "As a surprise, the Board made one other change. The storage area located between Science and the Electronics Lab will be eliminated, the area to be divided equally between those two areas. The current storage boxes will be moved elsewhere within DMS into multiple areas." It's been "addressed". Haven't heard anything about anybody working on this - until now.
[9/10/2019 1:23 PM] yashsedai
Just because the board approved it doesn't mean shit magically occurs
[9/10/2019 1:23 PM] yashsedai
I've told you more than once in person that it would get done as soon as they had a home
[9/10/2019 1:24 PM] yashsedai
Did you just not like this answer?
[9/10/2019 1:24 PM] artg_dms8185
Thank you Pearce! If you have any questions, plz ask me or Rich.
[9/10/2019 1:26 PM] yashsedai
not trying to be a dick here. just don't get it when someone keeps pushing and pushing when told hey, people are working
[9/10/2019 1:27 PM] agr0090
Best option is probably cancel personal bin storage entirely and return all current bins to members
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[9/10/2019 1:29 PM] canibalcrab
That is also an option I have been forced to consider
[9/10/2019 1:29 PM] canibalcrab
But I imagine you will get a response along the lines of "no that's too much"
[9/10/2019 1:30 PM] artg_dms8185
That's not going to go over well. It's a lazy quick fix and will be met with much opposition. Good luck getting BoD approval.
[9/10/2019 1:30 PM] canibalcrab
Do you have a link for those minutes @artg_dms ?
[9/10/2019 1:31 PM] canibalcrab
Id love to have it documented where the board decided to make that decision without talking to logistics
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[9/10/2019 1:31 PM] aceat64
@artg_dms perhaps you have some _concrete_ suggestions on how to proceed rather than just saying "it needs to be done" on repeat?
[9/10/2019 1:32 PM] canibalcrab
"disperse through the space" isn't a detailed enough solution
[9/10/2019 1:32 PM] aceat64
there's nothing stopping you from coming up with a plan, since you are so invested in this, and then asking Pearce to approve it
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[9/10/2019 1:33 PM] artg_dms8185
They were in a post out to team expansion. Not sure I can post a link that works. Might be able to "invite" you to the post. Would that work for you?
[9/10/2019 1:33 PM] aceat64
just copy/paste it or give a synopsis
[9/10/2019 1:34 PM] canibalcrab
Where are they posted that you can't share them?
[9/10/2019 1:34 PM] aceat64
how complex a plan is it that it can't be summarized in a sentence or two?
[9/10/2019 1:35 PM] aceat64
@pearce can we get approval for Electronics to return the boxes and their contents to their owners and then to dismantle the personal storage?
[9/10/2019 1:36 PM] aceat64
since it's in their space
[9/10/2019 1:36 PM] aceat64
obviously needs to be done _in that order_
[9/10/2019 1:36 PM] aceat64
i.e. it can not be taken down until all boxes returned
[9/10/2019 1:38 PM] artg_dms8185
Here's the quote again: "As a surprise, the Board made one other change. The storage area located between Science and the Electronics Lab will be eliminated, the area to be divided equally between those two areas. The current storage boxes will be moved elsewhere within DMS into multiple areas."
[9/10/2019 1:38 PM] canibalcrab
Yeah I can post text lines too
[9/10/2019 1:38 PM] canibalcrab
I want the meeting minutes
[9/10/2019 1:39 PM] artg_dms8185
Just invited you to it
[9/10/2019 1:40 PM] artg_dms8185
BTW if you have any questions for Expansion, Talk is the preferred forum. Don't think Rich is out here.
[9/10/2019 1:41 PM] canibalcrab
Doesn't seem like expansion needs our input. They just move things without asking logistics anyway.
[9/10/2019 1:45 PM] artg_dms8185
We haven't moved anything - other than on paper. Yes, we do need your / Logistics input. The areas that the bins would be moved to belong to Logistics.
[9/10/2019 1:47 PM] canibalcrab
Everything that isn't committee space is logistics
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[9/10/2019 1:47 PM] michaelb5250
Just keep them where they are. Obviously no one has a better location for them. Or a good reason to move them.
[9/10/2019 1:48 PM] canibalcrab
They need camera coverage specifically. It's paid storage
[9/10/2019 1:51 PM] artg_dms8185
Hey Michael you're on team_ expansion. We have a mtng tonight. Attend and get informed.
[9/10/2019 1:56 PM] michaelb5250
I have been attending, but I guess we've been missing each other, won't be there tonight. If there was a good reason you'd just say it, so I'll continue to assume you're just antsy to get your new committee space. Which, I get, but, priorities man.
[9/10/2019 1:56 PM] michaelb5250
Let's put a camera facing south down the middle of the row then. I don't mind running cables or mounting it.
[9/10/2019 2:20 PM] artg_dms8185
Priorities include knowing what the final boundaries are for the ELab and Science are before the electrical contractors come out and start wiring drop boxes.
[9/10/2019 2:22 PM] aceat64
don't you already know what they'll be once the shelves are moved?
[9/10/2019 2:23 PM] aceat64
there's a drawing...
[9/10/2019 2:23 PM] aceat64
and failing that you can just measure it
[9/10/2019 2:26 PM] michaelb5250
@artg_dms I haven't heard that come up as a concern in the meetings. Even when the inevitable 'whats needed for electrical' question is asked.
[9/10/2019 2:34 PM] canibalcrab
It's also an extra 2 feet? You can't tell me that those bins are holding up electrical
[9/10/2019 2:58 PM] aceat64
if the bins are holding up electrical because the final boundaries are unknown, there are serious planning issues that need to be addressed
[9/10/2019 3:13 PM] agr0090
If bins are stopping expansion I can put them all on pallets in warehouse as interim to returning them to members
[9/10/2019 3:25 PM] doug.emes
Returning to members is a massive change. Please don't think it will be received without major backlash. Placing bins in the center or a wall of the warehouse is a great interim solution, especially if it can also use / repurpose A camera feed.
[9/10/2019 3:25 PM] lavarocks.
I would have a problem with this being that I just paid for mine a month ago so I'd need my 20 back as well as the cost of the bin.
[9/10/2019 3:26 PM] lavarocks.
We need to find a viable place for these before we move them.
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[9/10/2019 3:27 PM] doug.emes
And it goes completely against the expressed position of the logistics officer public comment to continue to support it. Removing it when we have thousands of unused square feet is not a good plan
[9/10/2019 3:34 PM] aceat64
well sure, but if it's literally blocking expansion as Art says, then needs must
[9/10/2019 3:34 PM] canibalcrab
My public opinion to want to keep them doesn't matter if we legally can't support charging for the storage
[9/10/2019 3:35 PM] canibalcrab
And art seems to be implying that the bins are holding up electrical
[9/10/2019 3:36 PM] canibalcrab
People are going to be upset regardless of what I do with them
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[9/10/2019 3:51 PM] lavarocks.
Put them in the wet classroom
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[9/10/2019 3:53 PM] agr0090
could work, would completely fill 2 walls in that room with current shelves
[9/10/2019 3:54 PM] agr0090
each 3 column unit is 16" deep and 38" wide
[9/10/2019 3:55 PM] artg_dms8185
Offset measures 3' x 17'. I solicited input from the membership on this: https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/moving-personal-storage-bins-to/61389
[9/10/2019 3:55 PM] canibalcrab
cant do classrooms, it makes the bins inaccessible during classes
[9/10/2019 3:56 PM] canibalcrab
okay so electronics gets 1.5 feet. and electrical is being held up by this?
[9/10/2019 3:58 PM] artg_dms8185
No... ELAb and Science both get a 3ft x 17 ft strip.
[9/10/2019 4:00 PM] doug.emes
Brandon how many current sets, 6?
[9/10/2019 4:01 PM] agr0090
11 or 12
[9/10/2019 4:01 PM] doug.emes
Thanks
[9/10/2019 4:02 PM] agr0090
At least 35 feet of shelves if you put them all along a wall
[9/10/2019 4:06 PM] nullinterface
meanwhile both elab and science can recover ~51ft² by simply *reorganizing*
[9/10/2019 4:07 PM] artg_dms8185
Can't speak for Science and how they're doing their drops. ELab has no pwr along the east boundary for benches. If we get the offset, 2 drop boxes will to be moved ~3 ft.. ~ 12 columns can stay along the east boundary of the ELab. The end will stick out past white cabinets. One area is along the walls outside Interactive - where the printer used to . Plz review input / comments in the Talk.
[9/10/2019 4:08 PM] yashsedai
OMG Eric, reorganizing? What is that!
[9/10/2019 4:09 PM] artg_dms8185
Kinda looks like the 102 srvr rm.....
[9/10/2019 4:10 PM] yashsedai
Considering I didnt stuff any of that in there 🙂
[9/10/2019 4:13 PM] artg_dms8185
Excuses, Excuses 🙃
[9/10/2019 4:14 PM] yashsedai
lol please try again 😛
[9/10/2019 4:14 PM] artg_dms8185
This is soooooo productive
[9/10/2019 4:15 PM] yashsedai
lol it is
[9/10/2019 4:17 PM] artg_dms8185
Do we need to schedule a mtng of Logistics and Expansion to get this done?
[9/10/2019 4:19 PM] yashsedai
lol considering that Logistics is the governing body haha
[9/10/2019 4:19 PM] yashsedai
i'd say thats up to Pearce
[9/10/2019 4:20 PM] canibalcrab
I told you I'd clear up the board issues with security
[9/10/2019 4:20 PM] canibalcrab
The "meeting" you referenced was not a board meeting.
[9/10/2019 4:25 PM] lavarocks.
Just tell me where to show up with my pitchfork and torch
[9/10/2019 5:16 PM] judykriehn3727
I fail to understand how TWO board members (of four) agreeing that the cave was a problem constitutes a quorum requiring the change?? And seems like somebody coulda clued me in before I continued logging in new bin users since July. 😡
[9/10/2019 5:17 PM] canibalcrab
It doesn't. And it wasn't at a board meeting.
[9/10/2019 5:20 PM] michaelb5250
It's still not clear to me that this is anything more than Art wanting his extra 3 feet. I think we'll all agree it's better served by personal storage bins and we can clear up any problems regarding security where they are instead of spreading them around (which won't make them any more secure)
[9/10/2019 5:25 PM] judykriehn3727
I would agree that one side probably needs to come out of there. As Wendy noted a week or so ago, it's not very accessible for her wheelchair. Or anyone else's. I think I made the comment that we between attrition and no-longer-member bin pulls, we can probably eliminate one bin stack. Would the remainder fit in the remaining run of elab "wall"?
[9/10/2019 5:27 PM] agr0090
is there 13 feet available to extend the elab wall?
[9/10/2019 5:29 PM] judykriehn3727
13'? Shouldn't that be 12'?
[9/10/2019 5:30 PM] judykriehn3727
oh wait. what am i saying. you're the math guy.
[9/10/2019 5:42 PM] agr0090
4 * 38" = 12.66667'
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[9/10/2019 5:43 PM] agr0090
moving the science wall would improve access and security, but note that science would not get any more space, as we would increase the walkway from ~36" wide to ~48" wide to improve accessibility
[9/10/2019 5:44 PM] canibalcrab
Yep and is the best course of action right now
[9/10/2019 5:45 PM] judykriehn3727
e lab wouldn't get any more either, right?
[9/10/2019 5:45 PM] judykriehn3727
But lighting would improve immensely.
[9/10/2019 5:47 PM] canibalcrab
correct
[9/10/2019 5:48 PM] judykriehn3727
@AGr - In my chart, there are 13 vertical rows on the science side. One of those is the stack behind the spiderboxes that have wood doors. Is that a free-standing unit of one? Or is that one section of bins wider than 38"?
[9/10/2019 5:49 PM] agr0090
a 3 column unit is about 38" wide, there are some one off columns not joined into 3 wide unit. Its just bolts and backer hardboard that turns individual columns into a 3 wide unit
[9/10/2019 5:51 PM] judykriehn3727
cool. could the cabinet stack be attached to the end of single unit against the north wall?
[9/10/2019 5:54 PM] agr0090
yeah thats a good idea
[9/11/2019 9:45 AM] adam1334
Not that I want to re-ignite this discussion, but it was noted at the Expansion meeting last night that: Expansion really has nothing to do with this. It's apparently "the board" asking Logistics to do "something different" with the bins. The only reason that expansion is involved was that it will, at some point in the future, need to be reconciled with the electrical plan. This will not be a major change to the plan though. Current GUESSES to the need to have this portion of the plan locked is approximately 2-6 months.
[9/11/2019 10:25 AM] lavarocks.
@Lampy (Ken Purcell) is this the case?
[9/11/2019 10:47 AM] stephenie.
@Scott_Blevins @ray
[9/11/2019 10:47 AM] stephenie.
I don't know James's handle.
[9/11/2019 11:17 AM] kenpurcell
Expansion was asking us about the dark cave and we agreed that something needs to be done to keep it from a pervy hangout. Was Rich's proposal to split the space with Electronics/Science. I have not heard a complete proposal yet but it does need Pearce's input. Storage is under their control as they have the floorspace and the liability of having to manage it.
[9/11/2019 11:20 AM] draco_the_drake
It seems to me since it is Logistics space now and because it requires a board action (per ruling on BoD 20190415) to change space allocation, that someone needs to create an agenda item to transfer it.
[9/11/2019 11:27 AM] agr0090
What happens in 2 to 6 months?
[9/11/2019 11:29 AM] draco_the_drake
A reasonable assumption would be that at some point you have to give the plan to contractors to bid and do the work
[9/11/2019 11:36 AM] lavarocks.
Hey kids, you wanna buy some watches *flashes gold watches under a trenchcoat*
[9/11/2019 11:37 AM] lavarocks.
Except it isn't watches
[9/11/2019 11:37 AM] axeonos
Usually it's just watches and no pants or underwear
[9/11/2019 11:51 AM] aceat64
Wait, we're not going to get bids for another 2-6 months?
[9/11/2019 12:16 PM] michaelb5250
I don't know of an exact timeline and I've been to a few of the expansion meetings in the past two months. For anyone to say were two to six months out is just a random guess on their part.
[9/11/2019 12:19 PM] michaelb5250
Having been to a few meetings, my slightly less random guess would be plans go out within a month. A contractor was on site last week doing a walk-through.
[9/11/2019 12:20 PM] lavarocks.
When are these meetings, I'm going to have to start showing up.
[9/11/2019 12:21 PM] sewingstuff2561
Tuesday at 7
[9/11/2019 12:22 PM] lavarocks.
Thank you
[9/11/2019 12:27 PM] agr0090
plans for which phase?
[9/11/2019 12:30 PM] michaelb5250
Oh sorry this would be one of the big electrical contracts that I'm talking about. At least the flex area drops, but I believe it's flex area and warehouse kilns.
[9/11/2019 12:34 PM] michaelb5250
I think the confusion here is this... I'm stating that these plans will go to the city and bidding soon, but of course there might be minor changes later on (iirc including while work is being done). Adam is saying that in 2-6 months we need the plans to be fixed, no minor changes.
Draco assumed that we wouldn't move forward until even the minor possibilities worked out, which isn't really true. We'd never get anything done that way
[9/11/2019 12:58 PM] artg_dms8185
We had a very productive Expansion Mtng last nite. Rich has met w/ electrical contractor for a consultation on recent code changes, what members can do, etc. There will probably be some things that volunteers can get done - possibly w/ time limits. If those things don't get done, that work will be contracted out and paid for. Currently Groups don't have to post minutes / notes to the wiki or Talk. I'm working on getting that changed. I'll ask Rich to put last nite's mtng notes out on Talk and also see if he' ok w/ putting a copy of the BoD / Expansion Mtng where the bin "cave" was discussed.
[9/11/2019 1:08 PM] canibalcrab
Saturday meetings are not board meetings. Sorry bud. The board does have to post their meetings or it isn't a board action.
[9/11/2019 1:14 PM] artg_dms8185
OK .. really getting tired of this. Go back and reread what I posted. I said BoD / Expansion Mtng. Also link I sent you states same. I said GROUPS currently don't have post minutes / notes, NOT THE BOD. Please tell me how I can make my posts more clear.
[9/11/2019 1:16 PM] agr0090
how long will Art try to hold expansion progress hostage contingent on getting a few extra square feet for electronics?
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[9/11/2019 1:22 PM] artg_dms8185
False statement dude. I expect better from you....then again maybe not. Maybe you ought to join Expansion Grp and attend some mtng and become better informed?
[9/11/2019 1:24 PM] aceat64
this is the second time you've told someone to get better informed about expansion, perhaps expansion team should do a better job informing people of what's going on to prevent confusion?
[9/11/2019 1:25 PM] draco_the_drake
With minutes, perhaps?
[9/11/2019 1:26 PM] nullinterface
last meeting I was at was mostly Rich going down a punch list, which could have been a report 🤷
[9/11/2019 1:26 PM] michaelb5250
Most are like that.
[9/11/2019 1:26 PM] aceat64
seems there's only one page on the wiki about expansion group
[9/11/2019 1:26 PM] aceat64
https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Expansion_Group
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[9/11/2019 1:27 PM] aceat64
latest post on the forums is 13d old
[9/11/2019 1:27 PM] michaelb5250
@artg_dms again, this hasn't been brought up at any of the meetings I've been to.
[9/11/2019 1:27 PM] aceat64
the last message in #expansion_chat is from 06/24/2019
[9/11/2019 1:28 PM] artg_dms8185
Working on getting the"Group" charter amended to address that. Care to help?
[9/11/2019 1:28 PM] aceat64
the expansion group meetings all say "This is a closed meeting." as well
[9/11/2019 1:28 PM] aceat64
so I'm not sure how people are expected to be informed
[9/11/2019 1:29 PM] draco_the_drake
Sounds like we need to talk about how to best go about this at the next member meeting on Friday ... Good communication is key
[9/11/2019 1:29 PM] aceat64
yes, communication would be good
[9/11/2019 1:31 PM] aceat64
if the expansion team would like, myself or pearce can also tweak permissions for #expansion_chat to whatever you'd like
[9/11/2019 1:31 PM] aceat64
or even create additional chats, like an #expanion_announcements or somesuch
[9/11/2019 1:31 PM] aceat64
lots of options
[9/11/2019 1:34 PM] draco_the_drake
I miss James's expansion reports ... I'd like to see that from the other groups and the board ... perhaps we need volunteers that can write to join the governance group and provide good status reports
[9/11/2019 1:35 PM] nullinterface
Rich's meeting notes aren't too shabby from what I've seen
[9/11/2019 1:36 PM] aceat64
are they posted anywhere?
[9/11/2019 1:36 PM] aceat64
if he's keeping good notes/minutes, just posting them to the wiki would be a huge boost to communicating what's going on
[9/11/2019 1:37 PM] draco_the_drake
I personally cannot wait to see Brad's first report
[9/11/2019 1:38 PM] agr0090
will be great when he finds an extra quarter million behind the fridge
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[9/11/2019 1:38 PM] draco_the_drake
quarter million what? Dust bunnies?
[9/11/2019 1:39 PM] nullinterface
French Francs
[9/11/2019 1:39 PM] agr0090
zimbabwe dollars
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[9/11/2019 1:42 PM] artg_dms8185
Expansion Mtngs were open for a while and Rich decided to take them back to closed. Finance Grp under Tapper were invitation only. Like I said above, I'm working on getting the "Group" charter amended to fix this. Don't see why "Groups" should be exempt from what Committees have to do. I brought this up in the last BoD Mtng 9/8/19. Should be in the minutes. Topic(s) are out on Talk. Comments are sought.
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[9/11/2019 1:43 PM] yashsedai
Expect that you wont get your way on this either
[9/11/2019 1:43 PM] yashsedai
Groups dont report to the membership
[9/11/2019 1:43 PM] yashsedai
They report to the board
[9/11/2019 1:44 PM] yashsedai
I dont care that you think something should be that way when it doesnt affect your ability to get shit done
[9/11/2019 1:44 PM] yashsedai
Both you and draco want a meeting to go bitch at
[9/11/2019 1:44 PM] yashsedai
Go bitch to the board
[9/11/2019 1:45 PM] yashsedai
You'll find us group leaders have actual work being done.
[9/11/2019 1:46 PM] yashsedai
Not sitting in meetings listening to the political ramblings of people that want us to recognize their "feelings"
[9/11/2019 1:46 PM] draco_the_drake
First, that is disrespectful to the hard work many chairs have put in ...
Second, Committees don't report to the membership either, they are under board advisement with an appointed chair.
[9/11/2019 1:46 PM] yashsedai
First I dont care what you think
[9/11/2019 1:47 PM] michaelb5250
Oh god here we go again...
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[9/11/2019 1:47 PM] yashsedai
Second I dont care about committees from the perspective of their communication. They are not business functiond
[9/11/2019 1:47 PM] yashsedai
You confuse the actual running of the business with a popularity contest
[9/11/2019 1:48 PM] yashsedai
This is not what the groups are for
[9/11/2019 1:48 PM] draco_the_drake
Committees provide management functions and I would say they are mission critical ...
[9/11/2019 1:48 PM] yashsedai
Good for you
[9/11/2019 1:48 PM] yashsedai
You had an opinion
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[9/11/2019 1:49 PM] artg_dms8185
If we're going to do the "Full Transparency" dance, everybody needs to participate, right? Otherwise smacks of hypocrisy and we don't want that do we? I would like to hear comments from the "Full Transparency" folks
[9/11/2019 1:49 PM] merissa4308
If you really want people to be informed, why doesn't expansion voice stream meetings for people who can't be present?
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[9/11/2019 1:49 PM] merissa4308
Tuesdays don't work for everyone
[9/11/2019 1:49 PM] yashsedai
You seem to be confused about what transparency is
[9/11/2019 1:50 PM] yashsedai
It's not what you think
[9/11/2019 1:50 PM] yashsedai
Keep preaching about secret meetings and no transparency
[9/11/2019 1:50 PM] yashsedai
Its bullshit
[9/11/2019 1:51 PM] yashsedai
And draco, why is it that we only hear you in the pedant seats whining about this shit?
[9/11/2019 1:51 PM] yashsedai
You dont actually do anything
[9/11/2019 1:51 PM] draco_the_drake
I guess you don't read my other posts *shrugs*
[9/11/2019 1:51 PM] yashsedai
Except cause discontent
[9/11/2019 1:51 PM] yashsedai
I think that's your makery
[9/11/2019 1:51 PM] yashsedai
Causing discontent at dsm
[9/11/2019 1:51 PM] draco_the_drake
Now that is ironic coming from you Freddy
[9/11/2019 1:52 PM] yashsedai
Oh?
[9/11/2019 1:52 PM] yashsedai
You mean the shit I keep running doesnt happen?
[9/11/2019 1:52 PM] yashsedai
Oh right, I dont log my hours so you wouldn't have a clue
[9/11/2019 1:52 PM] artg_dms8185
Yes...really ...confused...why I solicited comments. BTW currently no "Group" streams or post to the public. Need to fix this for ALL "Groups"
[9/11/2019 1:52 PM] draco_the_drake
I Agree
[9/11/2019 1:53 PM] merissa4308
Logistics has streamed their meetings
[9/11/2019 1:53 PM] yashsedai
Your confusion lies in the concept you get a say in everything
[9/11/2019 1:53 PM] yashsedai
Which is just not the case
[9/11/2019 1:53 PM] aceat64
lets maybe move this to #off_topic
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[9/11/2019 1:53 PM] aceat64
logistics is pretty open, in that we discuss a lot of stuff right here in this chat
[9/11/2019 1:54 PM] yashsedai
It's not really off topic though
[9/11/2019 1:54 PM] merissa4308
Or you know, just stop the bickering please
[9/11/2019 1:54 PM] artg_dms8185
When was last Logistics Mtng? Didn't seeany listed for long while on Event Cal
[9/11/2019 1:54 PM] aceat64
welcome to the current logistics meeting, it's ongoing
[9/11/2019 1:54 PM] yashsedai
Bickering?
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[9/11/2019 1:55 PM] aceat64
logistics is mostly made up of people who use computers to communicate
[9/11/2019 1:55 PM] aceat64
if you'd like to talk about something in person, we meet on the first and second sunday to do storage work
[9/11/2019 1:57 PM] artg_dms8185
Any one take / post notes / minutes? Just say'n.....
[9/11/2019 1:58 PM] aceat64
_looks at chat_... yes
[9/11/2019 1:58 PM] aceat64
you can scroll up and read everything logistics discusses
[9/11/2019 1:59 PM] draco_the_drake
That isn't minutes
[9/11/2019 1:59 PM] draco_the_drake
and you know that
[9/11/2019 1:59 PM] aceat64
and I don't care
[9/11/2019 1:59 PM] draco_the_drake
I know
[9/11/2019 2:00 PM] draco_the_drake
I suggest Logistics gets with @ESmith to work out how best to handle the requirement for minutes
[9/11/2019 2:01 PM] aceat64
noted
[9/11/2019 2:01 PM] yashsedai
I suggest Draco go make a Pissing and Moaning Sig
[9/11/2019 2:02 PM] aceat64
Trolling Committee was a thing
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[9/11/2019 2:02 PM] michaelb5250
As a few people have mentioned, logistics is meeting every single one of its requirements for minutes.
[9/11/2019 2:02 PM] agr0090
we should put a copy of this chat in a blockchain
[9/11/2019 2:02 PM] yashsedai
At least then he might be fulfilling a stated purpose, he didnt fail or quit!
[9/11/2019 2:03 PM] yashsedai
Lol do tell @AGr
[9/11/2019 2:03 PM] aceat64
nooooo
[9/11/2019 2:04 PM] aceat64
you can't just throw blockchains at stuff
[9/11/2019 2:04 PM] aceat64
although I guess you could just use Open Timestamps for that
[9/11/2019 2:04 PM] aceat64
https://opentimestamps.org/
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[9/11/2019 2:10 PM] nullinterface
I suggest that @Draco devise ideas per the Talk thread on the subject since it's not the Board demanding minutes and meetings from Groups
[9/11/2019 2:11 PM] draco_the_drake
" since it's no the Board " ?
[9/11/2019 2:11 PM] draco_the_drake
I'm not certain I understand what you said
[9/11/2019 2:11 PM] aceat64
I think he meant to say "not"
[9/11/2019 2:11 PM] draco_the_drake
oh
[9/11/2019 2:11 PM] draco_the_drake
Yes, it is the IRS demanding them
[9/11/2019 2:11 PM] draco_the_drake
and the law
[9/11/2019 2:12 PM] yashsedai
Lol really?
[9/11/2019 2:12 PM] yashsedai
Is this another Holiday Inn Express ruling from the Law offices of Pedant and Moaning?
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[9/11/2019 2:16 PM] aceat64
actually the IRS only demands it for committees
[9/11/2019 2:23 PM] andrew5152
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Went over on my storage spot and now my stuff is in purgatoy
So being the dummy that I am, I didn’t remove my stuff from the storage shelves before the end of the month and now it’s all in storage purgatory. I saw that I had to post on talk and get the attention of Pearce Dunlap (hopefully that’s correct) to schedule a time to ge...
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[9/11/2019 2:55 PM] canibalcrab
@artg_dms that may well have been what you considered an expansion meeting. But the board can't take actions outside a board meeting. Let alone just with two of them. That's how you represented it. The tldr is that the board has not taken any action to make the cave go away. But they would like to see it become more secure and well lit
[9/11/2019 2:58 PM] artg_dms8185
All good points. I gotta run. Will check back later. What's next?
[9/11/2019 3:00 PM] canibalcrab
Burning down i75 seems like the best course of action currently
[9/11/2019 3:31 PM] aceat64
I think there are chemicals that can cause concrete to burn
[9/11/2019 3:31 PM] aceat64
but I don't want to deal with them
[9/11/2019 3:32 PM] canibalcrab
They didn't say anything about jet fuel being ineffective against concrete
[9/11/2019 3:35 PM] lavarocks.
This was some light reading
[9/11/2019 3:35 PM] lavarocks.
😂
[9/11/2019 3:37 PM] lavarocks.
Also, I find it funny how Draco couldn't understand what Eric meant by one word being off, but has no problem translating entire paragraphs of voice to text madness.
[9/11/2019 3:37 PM] lavarocks.
I'm onto the games being played.
[9/11/2019 3:40 PM] draco_the_drake
It is the time factor ... I've only translated one of her posts and that was enough for me
[9/11/2019 3:40 PM] draco_the_drake
And that took me a bit of work
[9/11/2019 3:41 PM] draco_the_drake
She really does need a translator or a better voice to text
[9/11/2019 3:41 PM] draco_the_drake
the only reason I translated that was because it was at issue with the people in the topic about her being legally blind
[9/11/2019 3:42 PM] draco_the_drake
To tell you the truth .. I can't read most of her posts.. or it is too much trouble to try
[9/11/2019 8:49 PM] judykriehn3727
fyi - sent a Talk PM to @pearce , @yashsedai and @AGr regarding small bins and purgatory. Thx.
[9/11/2019 10:12 PM] doug.emes
Does logistics cover the cleaning contracts? I don't think several of the classrooms are being vacuumed
[9/11/2019 10:14 PM] yashsedai
They do cover the cleaning contracts
[9/11/2019 10:14 PM] yashsedai
which ones?
[9/11/2019 10:25 PM] canibalcrab
We are currently in contact with the cleaning people about what they are supposed to do
[9/11/2019 11:31 PM] doug.emes
Pillar AND north lobby.
[9/11/2019 11:50 PM] stephenie.
I can confirm Pearce's statement, as Finance had the cleaning contract on its list of contracts needing review and enforcement.
[9/12/2019 12:58 AM] axeonos
Can someone give me the dimensions of the common room and which computers are ours?
[9/12/2019 12:49 PM] draco_the_drake
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/membership-stats-sept-1-2019/61969/44
[9/12/2019 12:50 PM] draco_the_drake
@Axeonos You might talk with @StanSimmons about what is what in the common room
[9/12/2019 12:58 PM] axeonos
Anything not DMS should come out and be put on lost and found if the person is not there.... we shouldn't be storing other people's computers and stuff. Trying to get common room not so clusterfucked here.
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[9/12/2019 1:00 PM] draco_the_drake
I think the it might be better to talk to people first in the common room and ask them to take their stuff ... or leave a note
[9/12/2019 1:02 PM] draco_the_drake
Most of the desktops in the common room are DMS owned
[9/12/2019 1:22 PM] kenpurcell
Yet they seemed to be reserved for use by specific people on a daily basis.
[9/12/2019 2:36 PM] artg_dms8185
"Burning down i75 seems like the best course of action currently" - Central Snailway
[9/12/2019 2:42 PM] axeonos
The computers in the common room shouldn't be reserved for specific people on a daily basis. They are for everyone. Trying to organize the common room shouldn't be seen as a dictator taking control but rather let's clean up the mess we made and make it look pretty and maybe we won't have so much turnover from people thinking we live there.
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[9/12/2019 2:45 PM] axeonos
Either step up or step aside cause I'm tired of the negativity and "oh you shouldn't do that someone might get offended" attitude we've instilled. Help me or help yourself out of the conversation.
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[9/12/2019 2:48 PM] draco_the_drake
I haven't heard one bit of evidence that shows that people hanging around for long periods of time contributes to people leaving the space ... I agree that people should pack up when they are done... I would go gently on this
[9/12/2019 3:03 PM] axeonos
Then clearly you haven't been paying attention. I agreed to go through this 2 board meetings ago. Granted it was right before major stuff for me but now I have time to do things... Trying to so it by the book and have received no help so far it makes you wonder why people try.
[9/12/2019 3:19 PM] michaelb5250
I mean if you need people to run through an area and get rid of junk and/or inappropriate personal storage....
[9/12/2019 3:20 PM] michaelb5250
But you might want to warn people first
[9/12/2019 3:22 PM] axeonos
it would be most helpful- granted make sure they are not still there- ie went for lunch or working in laser.... bout to make some signs saying take your shit with you... might have a wednesday clean up next week if everyone is okay to help show up and help
[9/12/2019 3:23 PM] lavarocks.
There are two people that reside there at least. Just politely ask them to take their stuff home with them.
[9/12/2019 3:24 PM] axeonos
more than 2 last i was there....
[9/12/2019 3:24 PM] lavarocks.
If it becomes an issue I can help.
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[9/12/2019 3:25 PM] lavarocks.
Bill hasn't been around lately
[9/12/2019 3:25 PM] axeonos
again im not looking to move the tables- just put most computers on one side.... clearing up the other side for those to bring in their computers or work on their shit at those tables
[9/12/2019 3:26 PM] lavarocks.
And remember the design computer's need to come out of interactive
[9/12/2019 3:26 PM] axeonos
when we moved from the old common room we kinda just set them down and thats where they started to live
[9/12/2019 3:26 PM] lavarocks.
That was supposed to be temporary until ca moved and the common room was functional
[9/12/2019 3:26 PM] lavarocks.
But like this past weekend that marquetry class closed off that room all 3 days.
[9/12/2019 3:27 PM] axeonos
yes- when we move the stuff the computers in interactive will move too
[9/12/2019 3:28 PM] axeonos
sorry if my outburst was too much... just kinda grr at things.... im okay
[9/12/2019 3:28 PM] canibalcrab
@Axeonos do you have a date in mind? Pm me and we can write up a talk post to give people a heads up that cleaning is coming
[9/12/2019 3:29 PM] axeonos
done
[9/12/2019 11:12 PM] hon1nbo
We just had the new evolution saw stolen
[9/12/2019 11:12 PM] hon1nbo
Some noted it was on the loading dock
[9/12/2019 11:12 PM] hon1nbo
Know what else is? The freebie shelf
[9/12/2019 11:13 PM] hon1nbo
We need to move the freebie shelf away from the loading dock
[9/12/2019 11:13 PM] hon1nbo
This is not the first instance of items being taken, and will not be the last
[9/12/2019 11:13 PM] hon1nbo
It was a terrible idea putting it there, constantly overflowing into the fire egress and it's where our large packages and deliveries come in
[9/12/2019 11:22 PM] canibalcrab
stuff got removed on accident in all of its locations
[9/12/2019 11:23 PM] axeonos
That is unfortunate about the saw and I agree that it should move from its current spot... saying it was a terrible idea seems a tad harsh. We learn. We evolve. Pearce will come up with a plan...
[9/12/2019 11:23 PM] canibalcrab
what was the saw doing on the loading dock? i will look into the cameras. we also have rules about the freebie shelf not allowing stuff on the floor so the egress pathway isnt a shelf problem. its a people not following rules problem
[9/12/2019 11:25 PM] canibalcrab
when the green dolly got taken we didnt close or move the freebie shelf. we asked the dude to bring it back
[9/12/2019 11:25 PM] axeonos
The rules mayhaps should be printed in vynil and attached to the shelf... Like the freebie shelf signs
[9/12/2019 11:26 PM] canibalcrab
assuming people read.
[9/12/2019 11:26 PM] axeonos
And mayhaps tape off the loading dock area?
[9/12/2019 11:26 PM] canibalcrab
what would that do
[9/12/2019 11:26 PM] axeonos
On the ground
[9/12/2019 11:27 PM] axeonos
Section off the loading dock via tape. Allows people to know not a storage, not for common use... and don't put your shit here
[9/12/2019 11:29 PM] axeonos
I think @AGr had some when he was chair. Where it is I can not say
[9/12/2019 11:33 PM] michaelb5250
Designate a space for received packages. There's no need to just dump deliveries in the middle of an already crowded dock.
[9/12/2019 11:35 PM] canibalcrab
normally they dump things on the table
[9/13/2019 12:01 AM] yashsedai
Cage is gonna get built
[9/13/2019 12:01 AM] stansimmons2031
The saw has been located and will be returned tomorrow afternoon. He thought it was overflow on the freebie shelf
[9/13/2019 12:01 AM] hon1nbo
It's a loading dock, naturally it's a problem to separate stuff coming in versus going out
[9/13/2019 12:01 AM] hon1nbo
We have a problem with people reading signs
[9/13/2019 12:02 AM] canibalcrab
always did
[9/13/2019 12:02 AM] canibalcrab
stan said we contacted him and hes bringing it back
[9/13/2019 12:02 AM] canibalcrab
i think we will be okay
[9/13/2019 12:03 AM] hon1nbo
Until the next one happens and it's already at a pawn shop
[9/13/2019 12:03 AM] hon1nbo
We're lucky it happened when someone happened to be installing it
[9/13/2019 12:03 AM] hon1nbo
Otherwise it would have gone unnoticed
[9/13/2019 12:04 AM] yashsedai
That shelf needs to go
[9/13/2019 12:04 AM] canibalcrab
i agree its in a bad location
[9/13/2019 12:05 AM] yashsedai
Causes more issues than solutions imo
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[9/13/2019 12:05 AM] canibalcrab
but laser doesnt want to give up the table that they dont use where the shelf used to be
[9/13/2019 12:05 AM] stansimmons2031
It took a group effort to identify the guy and get him contacted. Freddy, Jim, me, Kevin, Charles and at least one other were involved in tracking it down.
[9/13/2019 12:05 AM] yashsedai
I'm not as nice as you guys. I'd have told him to bring it back NOW.
[9/13/2019 12:06 AM] yashsedai
Nobody gives away unopened fucking saws
[9/13/2019 12:15 AM] michaelb5250
Right? Who looks at a brand new saw and thinks it's on the crap shelf.
[9/13/2019 12:16 AM] michaelb5250
Sorry freebie shelf.
[9/13/2019 12:24 AM] canibalcrab
theres still a NIB motor for the garage door on the dock. the panic here would suggest that the motor should have been stolen forever ago
[9/13/2019 12:34 AM] hon1nbo
That motor isn't as interesting to the membership and a generic box
[9/13/2019 12:34 AM] hon1nbo
When we get tools and other things delivered it's a different story
[9/13/2019 12:46 AM] michaelb5250
Yeah let's just designate a better location for deliveries. Even if there wasn't a free shelf leaving new toys sitting out isn't the best idea.
[9/13/2019 12:46 AM] michaelb5250
Logistics closet or finance office come to mind. Not sure how crowded the office is, but the closet is due for a cleanup anyways
[9/13/2019 1:17 AM] agr0090
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[9/13/2019 1:18 AM] agr0090
Tool wall is ready for the order of tools I gave you links to pearce
[9/13/2019 1:18 AM] agr0090
Not sure 30 degree shelves make sense without foam inserts
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[9/13/2019 1:20 AM] canibalcrab
Yeah
[9/13/2019 1:20 AM] canibalcrab
Good work though
[9/13/2019 1:25 AM] hon1nbo
new tool walls, yay!
[9/13/2019 1:27 AM] hon1nbo
@michaelb the problem is whomever accepts the delivery has to be able to put it somewhere. Often these things aren't readily movable to something like the admin office or logistics closet. Other times may simply be whomever is present doesn't have access to those. In this case the FM required they redo how the saw's wiring was implemented, which meant they couldn't install the new saw right away as they rewired it and modified the stand
[9/13/2019 6:42 AM] aceat64
Just get rid of the shelf until we've got a better place for it, likely 102 since 104 is so crowded
[9/13/2019 6:43 AM] aceat64
And before anyone starts screaming about expansion, obviously I mean after the work over there is done
[9/13/2019 8:20 AM] nullinterface
so ... no shelf until 2020? Sounds like a plan.
[9/13/2019 9:14 AM] adam1334
We are already having issues with personal storage in the North Warehouse, adding the crapshelf is likely to exacerbate the issue, but I also don't have a better suggestion.
[9/13/2019 9:29 AM] nullinterface
we've been renting the 102 warehouse for about a year and have made terrible use of it
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[9/13/2019 9:31 AM] michaelb5250
Luckily, everyone has access to the logistics closet. Bulkier items can be left in committee areas.
Throwing packages in an unmarked area that we use to store carts is just asking for things to walk off, free shelf or not.
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[9/13/2019 9:40 AM] yashsedai
I plan to get a cage made
[9/13/2019 9:40 AM] yashsedai
Rfid controlled
[9/13/2019 9:40 AM] yashsedai
Committee chair or better
[9/13/2019 9:40 AM] yashsedai
Camera observed
[9/13/2019 9:41 AM] yashsedai
FedEx ups amazon can have a door code
[9/13/2019 10:05 AM] draco_the_drake
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/does-anyone-still-use-the-freebie-shelf/62413
[9/13/2019 10:11 AM] lavarocks.
Can we store balls in it like at the grocery store
[9/13/2019 10:11 AM] lavarocks.
We need a dodgeball team. Faces arent off limits. Jk
[9/13/2019 10:12 AM] lavarocks.
You can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball.
[9/13/2019 10:52 AM] draco_the_drake
Anger issue, do we have?
[9/13/2019 10:53 AM] canibalcrab
Pop culture reference did we miss?
[9/13/2019 10:53 AM] draco_the_drake
not involved in pop culture
[9/13/2019 10:54 AM] canibalcrab
That explains a lot
[9/13/2019 10:54 AM] canibalcrab
There's no real good place for the freebie shelf
[9/13/2019 10:55 AM] draco_the_drake
Can we burn it then?
[9/13/2019 10:55 AM] canibalcrab
Putting it next to project storage near the actual project storage is a bad idea, it will just end up with members projects being looted
[9/13/2019 10:55 AM] draco_the_drake
I mean like a big fire
[9/13/2019 10:55 AM] canibalcrab
Y'all nearly burned Brandon at the stake for trying that. Why do you get to suggest it now?
[9/13/2019 10:56 AM] draco_the_drake
I have anger issues
[9/13/2019 10:56 AM] draco_the_drake
Lol
[9/13/2019 10:57 AM] draco_the_drake
Who is yall
[9/13/2019 10:57 AM] canibalcrab
K. Shelf is going to stay where it is for a while since we can't have actual talks on where it should go. I don't like it over there either.
[9/13/2019 10:58 AM] draco_the_drake
It is why I posted a thread about where is might go
[9/13/2019 10:58 AM] canibalcrab
And me saying I don't like it doesn't mean take it upon yourself to move it.
[9/13/2019 10:58 AM] draco_the_drake
High traffic seems to be a good point
[9/13/2019 10:58 AM] draco_the_drake
I'm not Brandon
[9/13/2019 11:34 AM] draco_the_drake
We have four desktops on one of the tables in the common room
[9/13/2019 11:34 AM] draco_the_drake
Two raspberry pis with large monitors that can be a web browser or a jump server client ...
[9/13/2019 11:34 AM] draco_the_drake
One linux box
[9/13/2019 11:34 AM] draco_the_drake
and one windows box
[9/13/2019 11:34 AM] draco_the_drake
Which two do we want to keep?
[9/13/2019 11:35 AM] draco_the_drake
Perhaps we can put one out in the lobby for sign ups?
[9/13/2019 11:37 AM] draco_the_drake
They are useful in the common room to sign people up
[9/13/2019 11:42 AM] yashsedai
Nobody has an issue with space owned computers
[9/13/2019 11:46 AM] draco_the_drake
I think many people have notebooks and I'm not certain they actually get used. I think maybe two of them at a time
[9/13/2019 11:47 AM] draco_the_drake
Perhaps spread them out? One on each table?
[9/13/2019 11:47 AM] draco_the_drake
That way most of the table space can be used for projects or whatever
[9/13/2019 11:48 AM] draco_the_drake
Also, we have 5 lights that are completely out and a few going out in the common room
[9/13/2019 11:48 AM] draco_the_drake
Where are the bulbs?
[9/13/2019 11:49 AM] draco_the_drake
I would be willing to help replace them
[9/13/2019 11:51 AM] yashsedai
I was mad aware of the lights this week. I'll order some later today
[9/13/2019 11:54 AM] draco_the_drake
Awesome 🙂 Thanks Freddy
[9/13/2019 11:54 AM] lavarocks.
Can we get two lights for ca?
[9/13/2019 11:54 AM] lavarocks.
Bubs
[9/13/2019 11:54 AM] lavarocks.
Light bubs
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[9/13/2019 11:55 AM] draco_the_drake
Sure, bub ...
[9/13/2019 11:55 AM] draco_the_drake
😃
[9/13/2019 11:56 AM] draco_the_drake
Once they come in .. I will take a look
[9/13/2019 11:56 AM] draco_the_drake
Do you know if they are LED or Florescent?
[9/13/2019 11:57 AM] draco_the_drake
I'm not certain how many fixtures have been replaced
[9/13/2019 11:57 AM] lavarocks.
No clue, just know the lihhtvis out above the high table
[9/13/2019 11:57 AM] lavarocks.
Light is
[9/13/2019 11:57 AM] draco_the_drake
*nods*
[9/13/2019 12:01 PM] yashsedai
No lights for u
[9/13/2019 12:01 PM] nullinterface
48" T8 LED single-end AC powered 4000K or 5000K is what you want. I suggest hyperikon on the 'zon. I'm a bit leery of the cheaper glass-encpasulated variety since glass might not be a good thermal insulator but it's also not a good conductor insofar as *heatsinking electronics* goes.
[9/13/2019 12:01 PM] nullinterface
I was trying to do 4000K in the office and 5000K out in the office, but I suspect that convention has ceased to be followed
[9/13/2019 12:02 PM] yashsedai
I figured I'd reorder the same we had bought for everywhere else
[9/13/2019 12:02 PM] nullinterface
That'll probably work out
[9/13/2019 2:33 PM] judykriehn3727
@ESmith or maybe @pearce - did the lights get upgraded in the Sewing Room?
[9/13/2019 2:43 PM] nullinterface
I've not done them
[9/13/2019 2:45 PM] michaelb5250
Do we have the supplies? It shouldn't take long
[9/13/2019 2:45 PM] judykriehn3727
The lights seem brighter in there, and the tubes are all lit. Hence my query.
[9/13/2019 2:49 PM] judykriehn3727
I wasn't sure whether Lazarus of Lighting had brought the old tubes back to life, or what had happened. Last I read, @pearce was sourcing the components since the same issues exist across the space.
[9/13/2019 3:07 PM] nullinterface
perhaps someone replaced the floro tubes and we'll see how long it takes the ballasts to kill them
[9/13/2019 9:01 PM] judykriehn3727
🤐
[9/13/2019 10:51 PM] michaelb5250
Looks like the logistics stuff in the warehouse won't fit in the closet without some more cleanup.
[9/13/2019 10:53 PM] michaelb5250
Think we should give out the two boxes of calculator rulers, trash the styrofoam lunch trays, and the cotton candy machine, add another shelf, and add a hanging rack for all the mops/brooms/etc.
[9/13/2019 11:46 PM] agr0090
should take a pic / survey of current contents
[9/13/2019 11:53 PM] agr0090
things that dont need to live there (like cotton candy machine) can be placed on a pallet in warehouse. There should be a uline mop/broom holder in a box on logistics shelf
[9/13/2019 11:54 PM] michaelb5250
Whoops... already at the bar.
[9/13/2019 11:54 PM] michaelb5250
I'll grab a pic tomorrow. And look for the holder, if it's there I may throw it up
[9/14/2019 8:28 AM] nullinterface
cotton ... candy ... machine.
buh?
[9/14/2019 8:42 AM] andrew5152
It (was?) pretty popular, as I understand it...
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[9/14/2019 8:45 AM] nullinterface
2 years ago
[9/14/2019 8:50 AM] andrew5152
yeah...back when we encouraged volunteerism from a large crowd...
[9/14/2019 9:57 AM] canibalcrab
It belongs to pr
[9/14/2019 11:21 AM] michaelb5250
So PR closet?
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[9/14/2019 12:04 PM] canibalcrab
If it's not going to be in the lobby
[9/14/2019 12:41 PM] axeonos
It's actually about to be not at DMS soon. Donating to a museum
[9/14/2019 3:41 PM] judykriehn3727
I thought it was already in the lobby?? Could have sworn the lost and found shelf was bookended by the cotton candy machine and the popcorn machine. Although, I suppose Kevin might have "relocated" it to make room for his stripper pole display...
[9/16/2019 10:06 AM] adam1334
Yeah. The cotton candy machine is 100% PR's. It certainly draws a crowd just about every time it comes out. It's a bit of a pain to clean, and as much as everyone thinks that it's feasible to use indoors.... it is not.
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[9/16/2019 12:19 PM] andrew5152
this made me giggle
[9/16/2019 12:19 PM] andrew5152
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[9/16/2019 12:22 PM] andrew5152
@yashsedai is "storage@dms" answered, too?
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[9/16/2019 12:22 PM] andrew5152
vs
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[9/16/2019 12:22 PM] yashsedai
hrm
[9/16/2019 12:22 PM] yashsedai
i'll check
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[9/16/2019 1:18 PM] michaelb5250
Lol why was their stuff moved? They get a new ticket every month! 😒
[9/16/2019 1:26 PM] andrew5152
I'll confess to finding the storage rules confusing, too (of course, that's part of the reason I don't store stuff @ DMS...)
[9/16/2019 2:57 PM] nullinterface
~75% of the problems with storage is users who try to wiggle around the notion of *limits*
[9/16/2019 3:06 PM] doug.emes
If its systemic, then perhaps the system needs to be more clearly explained By the system, each time a slot is reserved.
[9/16/2019 3:09 PM] canibalcrab
It's not though
[9/16/2019 3:09 PM] canibalcrab
It's a few select people who are repeat offenders
[9/16/2019 3:10 PM] canibalcrab
And then a few one off new people who get told incorrectly by repeat members
[9/16/2019 3:11 PM] canibalcrab
It's not reserved for a whole month. Dunno where that came from
[9/16/2019 3:12 PM] andrew5152
`and then a few one off new people who get told incorrectly by repeat members`
I think that's the story of DMS conflicts... I have come to think some "repeat members" know jolly well what they're doing, too, but I could be wrong...
[9/16/2019 3:29 PM] nullinterface
I've spoken to people, written the most concise rules possible, outlined on posters, summary rules on the back of tickets ... still people trying to lawyer it or outright cheat
[9/16/2019 3:29 PM] nullinterface
it's a problem that can be mitigated but not eliminated
[9/16/2019 3:30 PM] nullinterface
I think a key mitigation step that's been missing is making it **cost something**
[9/16/2019 3:30 PM] nullinterface
doesn't have to be money, but storage needs to have limits beyond the mere availability of space
[9/16/2019 3:42 PM] canibalcrab
Charging for it seems to have a whole other boat full of issues attached to it
[9/16/2019 3:47 PM] draco_the_drake
Also, there are common patterns out in society .. one is when you rent something for a month, it is common to have it from the date you put it in there for a month to date .. not from whenever put it in there, to the end of the month, which could be as little as one day. I would wager that most systems outside of ours, do not work this way
[9/16/2019 3:51 PM] yashsedai
What does that have to do with people failing to read and not following the rules?
[9/16/2019 3:58 PM] canibalcrab
YOU DONT RENT OUR STORAGE.
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[9/16/2019 3:59 PM] canibalcrab
It's fucking volunteer run. I'm not going to ask people to show up at the space and make sure every tag had it's 30 days.
[9/16/2019 3:59 PM] canibalcrab
If they fucking read the tag they are supposed to sign they would understand
[9/16/2019 4:02 PM] yashsedai
@pearce maybe if we have some public meetings we can ask for opinions on better how to solve this from people who have ZERO involvement, maybe if we require the groups to have these it will fix all the problems magically and we can all live in a utopian dream and sit in fire circles and dance and sing kumbya
[9/16/2019 4:04 PM] canibalcrab
I'm definitely more inclined to listen to people who show up and help
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[9/16/2019 5:48 PM] draco_the_drake
Seem like I remember these cries from the other side of the fence not too many months ago
[9/16/2019 5:50 PM] draco_the_drake
at that point I was volunteering
[9/16/2019 5:50 PM] yashsedai
Lol
[9/16/2019 5:51 PM] yashsedai
You volunteered?
[9/16/2019 5:51 PM] draco_the_drake
yes .. a lot
[9/16/2019 5:51 PM] draco_the_drake
not for logistics as much
[9/16/2019 5:52 PM] draco_the_drake
I was up there working 3 days a week
[9/16/2019 5:52 PM] kenpurcell
My cries were about being excluded from information about our finances as treasurer. But I was not that involved in logistics.
[9/16/2019 5:52 PM] yashsedai
Doing what?
[9/16/2019 5:54 PM] draco_the_drake
I was refactoring the calendar, organizing Hatcher's Armory, working a lot in Infra fixing computers and and servers, helping people fix calendar problems, I wrote the RFID software and built the server... and more for other committees
[9/16/2019 5:55 PM] yashsedai
The server?
[9/16/2019 5:55 PM] draco_the_drake
The RFID server
[9/16/2019 5:55 PM] yashsedai
Lol
[9/16/2019 5:55 PM] yashsedai
Gor it
[9/16/2019 5:55 PM] draco_the_drake
It is built and running
[9/16/2019 5:56 PM] yashsedai
Except it doesn't actually do anything
[9/16/2019 5:56 PM] draco_the_drake
Except it is doing something right now .. talk to Stan
[9/16/2019 5:56 PM] yashsedai
Oh you mean the stuff stan is publishing without anyone's ok?
[9/16/2019 5:56 PM] yashsedai
Ya
[9/16/2019 5:56 PM] yashsedai
I'm aware of what it does
[9/16/2019 5:56 PM] yashsedai
And what it doesnt do
[9/16/2019 5:57 PM] draco_the_drake
I'm not talking about that Script
[9/16/2019 5:57 PM] draco_the_drake
I'm talking about data collection from the door controllers
[9/16/2019 5:57 PM] yashsedai
What do you think I'm talking about
[9/16/2019 5:57 PM] draco_the_drake
the script that Stan was showing off
[9/16/2019 5:57 PM] yashsedai
I'm aware that you have something that reads the logs
[9/16/2019 5:58 PM] draco_the_drake
ligs?
[9/16/2019 5:58 PM] draco_the_drake
logs?
[9/16/2019 5:58 PM] draco_the_drake
nope
[9/16/2019 5:58 PM] draco_the_drake
What logs?
[9/16/2019 5:58 PM] yashsedai
...
[9/16/2019 5:58 PM] yashsedai
Door controller logs
[9/16/2019 5:58 PM] draco_the_drake
Are you talking about the data store for the RFID
[9/16/2019 5:58 PM] yashsedai
Not gonna be relevant for long
[9/16/2019 6:00 PM] draco_the_drake
I don't understand why you insist on laughing and generally being disrespectful ... I don't understand why you cannot lead instead of boss
[9/16/2019 6:00 PM] yashsedai
I dont understand why cant get in line when led
[9/16/2019 6:01 PM] yashsedai
That's your issue
[9/16/2019 6:01 PM] draco_the_drake
Your leading .. is just telling people that if you don't like it .. there is the door
[9/16/2019 6:01 PM] yashsedai
You are helping or leaving
[9/16/2019 6:01 PM] yashsedai
You chose not to help
[9/16/2019 6:01 PM] yashsedai
So I showed you the door
[9/16/2019 6:02 PM] yashsedai
You dont have to like it
[9/16/2019 6:02 PM] yashsedai
You dont have to agree
[9/16/2019 6:02 PM] draco_the_drake
but your the boss
[9/16/2019 6:02 PM] yashsedai
If you wanna get down to brass tacks, you didnt complete shit you started
[9/16/2019 6:02 PM] yashsedai
We dont need more of that
[9/16/2019 6:02 PM] draco_the_drake
What stuff?
[9/16/2019 6:03 PM] yashsedai
All the shit you listed above?
[9/16/2019 6:03 PM] draco_the_drake
I completed the refactor of the calendar
[9/16/2019 6:03 PM] draco_the_drake
it is running on the new version of PHP and CakePHP
[9/16/2019 6:03 PM] yashsedai
Ya, might ask some real coders about that
[9/16/2019 6:03 PM] draco_the_drake
or the lastest that was out
[9/16/2019 6:03 PM] yashsedai
I've had 2 opinions now
[9/16/2019 6:03 PM] yashsedai
That's not what was said
[9/16/2019 6:04 PM] draco_the_drake
I did not write the code
[9/16/2019 6:04 PM] yashsedai
You claimed to update it
[9/16/2019 6:04 PM] draco_the_drake
You have to understand that firstly
[9/16/2019 6:04 PM] draco_the_drake
What I did was update it from a very old version and remove the deprications
[9/16/2019 6:04 PM] yashsedai
You advertised it as such
[9/16/2019 6:04 PM] draco_the_drake
I never claimed to have written the calendar code
[9/16/2019 6:04 PM] draco_the_drake
It was written by someone Alex knew
[9/16/2019 6:05 PM] michaelb5250
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[9/16/2019 6:05 PM] andrew5152
ya'll have an infrastructure channel and/or PMs to argue about this, no?
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[9/16/2019 6:05 PM] yashsedai
Bite me
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[9/16/2019 6:07 PM] yashsedai
Draco wants to tell us all how he is so helpful
[9/16/2019 6:10 PM] andrew5152
I think I understand your respective corners, er, sides...and I'll not deny either of you the platform to defend your stance (that'd be for others, if desired) and, in fact, I'll thank you for not doing this on Talk, but...times and places (and optics)... Thank you for taking it to a more proper space. 😄
[9/16/2019 6:15 PM] canibalcrab
#logistics
[9/16/2019 6:19 PM] yashsedai
Wah
[9/16/2019 6:19 PM] yashsedai
Wah
[9/16/2019 6:20 PM] yashsedai
You can help stop it anytime
[9/18/2019 4:12 PM] agr0090
How much force do you think a 3 inch flange with a 4 foot lever could take?
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[9/18/2019 4:12 PM] agr0090
Would be cast iron flange welded to pallet rack cross beam
[9/18/2019 4:19 PM] agr0090
For a new vertical storage, so things would just be leaning on pipe, not sitting on top of it
[9/18/2019 4:20 PM] canibalcrab
That's some material science that's above my pay grade
[9/18/2019 4:31 PM] michaelb5250
If we can manage to weld the flange on, I think it'd be fine. Most of the flex would probably be on the 4 foot of pipe.
[9/18/2019 4:33 PM] michaelb5250
I assume you're planning on doing pallet racks with only a rear crossbeam? If so we should probably anchor the sides into the floor.
[9/18/2019 4:34 PM] agr0090
would have some front beams at the very top, but yeah anchoring would be good
[9/18/2019 4:36 PM] agr0090
should be less than 5,000 psi if someone pushed on the end of pipe with 100 pounds of force
[9/18/2019 4:39 PM] agr0090
would be double the cost to order parts off amazon vs metals4uonline, but they may not be threaded
[9/18/2019 4:44 PM] agr0090
not sure I would trust flanges from amazon that say decorative steampunk
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[9/18/2019 4:44 PM] michaelb5250
Ok... So here's a calculator for buckling load on a steel column, pipe is one of the cross sections. it only does 2-12" however. We've got a cantilever setup.
[9/18/2019 4:44 PM] michaelb5250
https://courses.cit.cornell.edu/arch264/calculators/example7.3/index.html
[9/18/2019 4:44 PM] michaelb5250
They don't have black iron as an option, so go for other materials and http://www.matweb.com/search/DataSheet.aspx?MatGUID=f3cd25980ab24fdaa5893252cd2bc192&ckck=1
[9/18/2019 4:45 PM] michaelb5250
Plot out a few options for pipe, find a quadratic fit (cause I'm pretty sure the term is quadratic or cubic...) and find it for smaller radii.
[9/18/2019 4:47 PM] michaelb5250
Andddd realize all your assumptions fall apart for small pipe diameters. damn
[9/18/2019 4:53 PM] agr0090
@pearce Can order this off amazon if you want me to attempt vertical storage transition
20x https://www.amazon.com/Everflow-Supplies-BMFL0034-Malleable-Flange/dp/B01BTYTOG6
5.25 * 20 = 105
4x https://www.amazon.com/Everflow-PCBL3448-5-Industrial-Schedule-Threaded/dp/B07FT38W8S/
65.99 * 4 = 263.96
368.96 total
would save $134 to buy pipe from https://www.metals4uonline.com/steel-pipe-schedule-40-3_4ths and thread it ourselves (would have to purchase cheap quality tool for $50), but thats not as convenient as clicking order on amazon
[9/18/2019 4:54 PM] canibalcrab
How many feet of new vertical does that make?
[9/18/2019 4:58 PM] agr0090
one 8 foot wide rack that is 4' deep, currently there are 2 ~10 feet racks
[9/18/2019 4:58 PM] michaelb5250
Some better math says that 100lbs should cause something in range of 6-10in for deflection, which seems reasonable. on 3/4" pipe . Probably won't break the pipe., but again, the welds are questionable.
[9/18/2019 5:06 PM] canibalcrab
If you are using racking, what's stopping you from a top weld
[9/18/2019 5:09 PM] agr0090
not sure what you mean
[9/18/2019 5:37 PM] canibalcrab
Using pallet racks, are you planning on putting flanges on the tops of the poles?
[9/18/2019 6:19 PM] agr0090
is what I was thinking of, (except 3 rows of the pipe coming out) similar to current vertical rack except using 3/4" black pipe (which is 1" in diameter) instead of 1.5" square tubing
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[9/18/2019 6:39 PM] canibalcrab
People put way more weight on those than we are expecting
[9/18/2019 7:46 PM] yashsedai
Is there a reason why we are not using the prefab pieces?
[9/18/2019 7:47 PM] yashsedai
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[9/18/2019 7:47 PM] yashsedai
Much safer
[9/18/2019 7:47 PM] yashsedai
No compliance issues
[9/18/2019 7:48 PM] yashsedai
https://www.wh1.com/store/shop/detail/36-x-36-pallet-rack-m-divider
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Store bulky products vertically in your pallet rack bays with these 36 x 36 inch pallet rack m-dividers. Shop orange vertical dividers here.
[9/18/2019 7:48 PM] yashsedai
For an example
[9/18/2019 7:48 PM] yashsedai
They can be had used for cheap
[9/18/2019 7:48 PM] yashsedai
brad can likely suggest a source
[9/18/2019 8:03 PM] agr0090
That's plausible, want to order 7 of those Pearce?
[9/18/2019 9:44 PM] axeonos
@pearce its a lot easier to see when your being summoned rather than just saying a name
[9/18/2019 9:46 PM] agr0090
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[9/18/2019 9:46 PM] agr0090
Free shelf overflowing and scrap wood is always overflowing with unuseable offcuts
[9/18/2019 9:47 PM] agr0090
(picture is after I put stuff onto scrap wood cart)
[9/18/2019 9:47 PM] canibalcrab
That's because laser can't teach or manage their scrap bin properly
[9/18/2019 9:48 PM] michaelb5250
Can we rename the free shelf 'we throw your stuff away for you shelf'?
[9/18/2019 9:52 PM] judykriehn3727
No. It shall be called the "We throw your free stuff away for you for free shelf". Redundancy intended.
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[9/18/2019 9:55 PM] michaelb5250
I like it.
[9/18/2019 10:48 PM] axeonos
dude! free bike! thats like worth.... 5 bucks....
[9/18/2019 11:44 PM] agr0090
Hmm, I used unknown mop water assuming it wasn't hazardous
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[9/18/2019 11:45 PM] agr0090
Now to see if this sink collapses dumping in a few gallons
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[9/19/2019 1:18 AM] agr0090
4 weeks in and mdf tops look better than I expected
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[9/19/2019 7:04 AM] nullinterface
I think Logistics can afford to replace them ~quarterly
[9/19/2019 8:09 AM] michaelb5250
Was actually thinking of replacing them soon.
[9/19/2019 8:17 AM] nullinterface
I dunno. Gonna be rough on the budget.
[9/19/2019 8:38 AM] michaelb5250
Oh man yeah that $14 total in tabletops every month is gonna be tough
[9/19/2019 8:59 AM] nullinterface
collection drive
[9/19/2019 9:27 AM] axeonos
nah man we need to hold honorarium classes for them.
[9/19/2019 9:27 AM] axeonos
think about 12 classes a month will do
[9/19/2019 9:28 AM] axeonos
one day im ganna teach underwater basket weaving.... its on my to do list
[9/19/2019 9:28 AM] judykriehn3727
Paper table coverage technique classes
[9/19/2019 9:29 AM] judykriehn3727
Butcher paper origami.
[9/19/2019 9:29 AM] axeonos
the art of "fuck your shit"
[9/19/2019 9:35 AM] michaelb5250
Maybe we can get Brandon to teach some classes on how to throw things in the dumpster.
[9/19/2019 9:35 AM] michaelb5250
Maybe that'd lighten the load on the we throw your free stuff away for you for free shelf.
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[9/19/2019 9:36 AM] axeonos
but that would take the joy out of us doing it
[9/19/2019 9:37 AM] nullinterface
perform some *science* and learn to predict the ballistic trajectory of free shelf detritus off the dock
[9/19/2019 9:38 AM] judykriehn3727
Build a gigantic basketball goal over the dumpster to encourage tossment.
[9/19/2019 9:39 AM] axeonos
is it too late to repurpose the trebuchet?
[9/19/2019 9:39 AM] nullinterface
yes
[9/19/2019 9:40 AM] judykriehn3727
Yeah, Brandon chopped it apart to get it out of storage.
[9/19/2019 9:40 AM] axeonos
i mean technically if it gets in the bin no harm no foul.... and im sure it can be an event -
[9/19/2019 9:41 AM] axeonos
oooo a conveyer belt
[9/19/2019 9:41 AM] judykriehn3727
Although... a trebuchet to get trash to the dumpster has its attractions; nobody would park nearby anymore.
[9/19/2019 9:43 AM] axeonos
"why does he need to throw away the stuff with a trebuchet" cause yall keep putting useless trash on the shelf, it gets overcrowded- move your fucking car or get a box full of used candles through your windshild"
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[9/19/2019 9:47 AM] nullinterface
or yet another set of heavy duty truck brake rotors that "someone could use to make a forge"
[9/19/2019 9:48 AM] axeonos
Ain't nobody want that
[9/19/2019 9:49 AM] nullinterface
yeah I'm pretty sure that we're about 0/200 on those
[9/19/2019 9:49 AM] nullinterface
but Mount Carrollton doesn't care what you feed it
[9/19/2019 9:50 AM] yashsedai
new porter seems to be working hard
[9/19/2019 9:51 AM] axeonos
Porter?
[9/19/2019 9:51 AM] yashsedai
cleaning lady
[9/19/2019 9:52 AM] axeonos
They don't touch the free shelf... though in all fairness we should let the cleaning lady have first dibs. She works hard enough for it.
[9/19/2019 9:53 AM] yashsedai
lol
[9/19/2019 9:53 AM] yashsedai
we got a new cleaning lady
[9/19/2019 9:53 AM] yashsedai
this one be working hard
[9/19/2019 9:54 AM] axeonos
Harder than sweep sweep phone time?
[9/19/2019 9:57 AM] yashsedai
yes
[9/19/2019 9:57 AM] yashsedai
much harder
[9/19/2019 9:59 AM] andrew5152
how do we reward that, so it will continue? Other than money, obviously, since we have none of that...
[9/19/2019 10:03 AM] axeonos
We can make a plaque with her face on it that says "employee of the month"? Pizza party? I'm out of ideas that my work rewards me for doing good....
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[9/19/2019 10:06 AM] yashsedai
lol
[9/19/2019 10:06 AM] yashsedai
I wouldnt reward yet haha, she just started
[9/19/2019 10:09 AM] andrew5152
yeah, but we gotta show encouragement right off the bat. Won't be 3 days til the place beats it out of 'em otherwise...
[9/19/2019 10:10 AM] andrew5152
at the very least, hearty thank you, slap on the back, handshake... something...
[9/19/2019 10:10 AM] yashsedai
wouldnt argue that
[9/19/2019 10:11 AM] andrew5152
wait...
[9/19/2019 10:11 AM] andrew5152
don't we have a president now whose role in this venture is that very kind of thing?
[9/19/2019 10:53 AM] judykriehn3727
Ideas: (1) Buy the lady a new vacuum. (2) Always have another box of trash can liners available. (3) Move the rickety wood steps from behind the transformer to the trashbin so when the window is full, she can reach the lid. Although rickety steps might make us ripe for a Workers Comp claim... (4) Not leave a crapton of shit she has to deal with. (5) Or overshot crap in the restrooms, either.
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[9/19/2019 10:55 AM] andrew5152
Do we need a new vacuum? (we always seem to, but I can't figure out what happens to them, except "DMS")
4) should be happening anyway, but "DMS"
5) sigh
[9/19/2019 10:59 AM] michaelb5250
Good news, we've got like a whole shelf of trash can liners. I think it was 5 different sizes and at least 2 boxes of each
[9/19/2019 10:59 AM] michaelb5250
The vacuums were in rough shape though.
[9/19/2019 11:04 AM] andrew5152
?
Garage sale?
[9/19/2019 11:42 AM] judykriehn3727
I just remember that at one point the previous lady was using the dyson from the galley to vacuum the space. Which is sort of like vacuuming the space with a dustbuster.
[9/19/2019 11:43 AM] andrew5152
as far as I know, that was the intent
[9/19/2019 11:43 AM] andrew5152
(because Dyson ROCKS!)
[9/19/2019 11:44 AM] michaelb5250
It's not an industrial machine but damn will they do a good job on an apartment or a small house
[9/19/2019 11:44 AM] andrew5152
to whom does this indivdual "report"? Can we not get meaningful reports and be responsive about taking care of business like this?
[9/19/2019 11:44 AM] judykriehn3727
I'm not sure if we actually buy industrial-strength vacuums, or we buy home vacuums that aren't intended for industrial use. Not to mention that industrial vacuums usually have magnet bars in front of the beaters, so at least you aren't sucking steel crap (austensibly paperclips and the like, but _here_....)
[9/19/2019 11:44 AM] judykriehn3727
That dyson has issues.
[9/19/2019 11:45 AM] andrew5152
I'll confess that my experience with Dyson is that of the typical Italian car owner: they're pretty, and work great..._when they work_
[9/19/2019 11:46 AM] judykriehn3727
I think they report to Logistics. Not sure what pearce has worked out for "conversation." Seems like the company she works for is supposed to oversee her work ethic.
[9/19/2019 11:46 AM] andrew5152
I (and others) attempted to recommend something more industrial than the Dyson, but it was bought anyway. *shrug*
[9/19/2019 11:47 AM] yashsedai
Kirby
[9/19/2019 11:47 AM] yashsedai
will last foreva
[9/19/2019 11:47 AM] judykriehn3727
they are home machines as well.
[9/19/2019 11:47 AM] yashsedai
we have an oreck industrial but it don't suck well
[9/19/2019 11:47 AM] andrew5152
weeell..... as with most "pimp" arrangements with which I'm familiar, going directly to the source of the labor would probably work better as long as you have a good relationship...
[9/19/2019 11:47 AM] yashsedai
lol you patronize pimps?
[9/19/2019 11:48 AM] judykriehn3727
No, he's only "familiar"
[9/19/2019 11:48 AM] andrew5152
(pimp joke is reference to all of us "contract laborers" who work for someone other than the place you see us working)
[9/19/2019 11:49 AM] andrew5152
do we still have the oreck? Did it get checked for proper setup?
[9/19/2019 11:49 AM] judykriehn3727
Oh great. Now I'm picturing @jast wearing fishnet stockings under his workwear. And I can't unsee that.
[9/19/2019 11:50 AM] judykriehn3727
I did three straight days of going to DMS. Don't make me go again this week.
[9/19/2019 11:52 AM] andrew5152
we need a mind's eye poking out emoji for Judy...
[9/19/2019 11:56 AM] andrew5152
here's what I had to say back when the Dyson was being discussed:
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[9/19/2019 12:00 PM] judykriehn3727
What's a "mind's eye poking out" mean? That you and I have a hive-mind?
[9/19/2019 12:15 PM] andrew5152
that your mind's eye needs poking out so you can forget me in fishnets (an image no person should EVER have to endure, so thank you for that...)
[9/19/2019 12:16 PM] andrew5152
and I'm willing to bet our hive-mind is more intricate than we care to divulge, given we both frequent the 'Space
[9/19/2019 12:19 PM] judykriehn3727
methinks we had a hive mind long before DMS. Brother from another Mother.
[9/19/2019 12:20 PM] judykriehn3727
And I'm thinking that my mind's eye should be made of clay so I can poke it with metal so it will dry out.
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[9/19/2019 12:22 PM] andrew5152
found the necropsy on the dirt devil that came out of DMS to be replaced by the Dyson...
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/dear-makerspace/2824/28?u=jast
If you care to read up on what "killed" it.
[9/19/2019 12:24 PM] andrew5152
PS I am in contact with the person I gave it to after the necropsy, after the "bowling ball test" I actually took it to do, and after realizing I now had a fine vacuum with nowhere to keep it. It's working peachy for keeping crudpuppies at bay in a "server closet"...
[9/19/2019 12:46 PM] stephenie.
Re: new cleaning porter, all credit is due @Robert
[9/19/2019 12:47 PM] stephenie.
He took on the delegated task
[9/19/2019 12:48 PM] robert22
Just tag me if you guys need anything with the cleaning lady. But some of the goals is going to be doing semi weekly steam cleaning, back to cleaning the shop areas, cleaning the whole bldg.
[9/19/2019 12:48 PM] robert22
We should absolutely buy her whatever equipment is going to work the best
[9/19/2019 12:48 PM] robert22
We spend around 30k on cleaning she needs good tools
[9/19/2019 12:50 PM] robert22
* bimonthly not semi weekly
[9/19/2019 12:51 PM] doug.emes
So for complete understanding, every other month for the steaming
[9/19/2019 12:51 PM] robert22
I was thinking every 2 weeks
[9/19/2019 12:51 PM] robert22
It’s whatever we want
[9/19/2019 12:52 PM] robert22
Anyone know if that steam cleaner I bought the previous one is still at DMS
[9/19/2019 12:52 PM] judykriehn3727
It's still there in the closet.
[9/19/2019 12:52 PM] yashsedai
rug doctor yes
[9/19/2019 12:52 PM] robert22
Perfect
[9/19/2019 12:52 PM] andrew5152
does it work?
[9/19/2019 12:53 PM] judykriehn3727
Don't know if it works. Is there an instruction manual somewhere? (Or instruction comic book?)
[9/19/2019 12:53 PM] andrew5152
they aren't that complicated
[9/19/2019 12:53 PM] robert22
It did from the state of the carpets I am not sure if the last cleaner ever used it
[9/19/2019 12:53 PM] robert22
It was brand new about 2 years ago
[9/19/2019 12:53 PM] andrew5152
water & solution in the clean tank, spray, vacuum, dump dirty out of the crud tank
[9/19/2019 12:54 PM] robert22
Ya they are used as rentals everywhere
[9/19/2019 12:54 PM] andrew5152
I'm betting a cleaner knows the drill
[9/19/2019 12:54 PM] judykriehn3727
Yeah, but if the last time you rented one was ten years ago, and you've slept a few times, you've forgotten the illustrated instructions.
[9/19/2019 12:54 PM] robert22
It’s pretty simple and it has instructions on it
[9/19/2019 12:54 PM] andrew5152
Robert, what is the feedback mechanism for the cleaner to the DMS handler (or, to ask another way, have you set up a way for the person doing the cleaning to let you know what they need?)
[9/19/2019 12:54 PM] judykriehn3727
Ah!
[9/19/2019 12:55 PM] michaelb5250
Yeah but comic book instructions make everything better
[9/19/2019 12:55 PM] robert22
Cleaner contacts the handler
[9/19/2019 12:55 PM] robert22
Handler contacts me/Pearce
[9/19/2019 12:55 PM] yashsedai
if she needs equip bought just let me know
[9/19/2019 12:55 PM] yashsedai
or whoever
[9/19/2019 12:55 PM] yashsedai
im happy to take care of it
[9/19/2019 12:55 PM] robert22
I have instructed the cleaner to not take directions from anyone onsite and to only go through the handler
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[9/19/2019 12:56 PM] robert22
*we need a new name...
[9/19/2019 12:56 PM] judykriehn3727
for the handler?
[9/19/2019 12:56 PM] judykriehn3727
The pimp?
[9/19/2019 12:56 PM] robert22
Feels like she is a spy 🕵️‍♀️
[9/19/2019 12:56 PM] robert22
Ya
[9/19/2019 12:56 PM] robert22
Handlers name is Maya
[9/19/2019 12:56 PM] andrew5152
I like using the phrase "cleaner" better than "cleaning lady", cause it might be a cleaning dude some time
[9/19/2019 12:56 PM] andrew5152
so gender neutral makes sense
[9/19/2019 12:57 PM] robert22
How is the vacuum she uses?
[9/19/2019 12:57 PM] yashsedai
lol I'm guessing calling her consuela is not ok 😛
[9/19/2019 12:57 PM] robert22
I am never there during the day
[9/19/2019 12:57 PM] andrew5152
guessing the vacuum is shit
[9/19/2019 12:57 PM] yashsedai
and making lemon pledge references
[9/19/2019 12:57 PM] yashsedai
i'll have a look at the vacuum next time im in
[9/19/2019 12:57 PM] andrew5152
@yashsedai noooo nooooo...we need more lemon pledge
[9/19/2019 12:58 PM] michaelb5250
I haven't used it, but visually they had seen many better days
[9/19/2019 12:58 PM] judykriehn3727
Is that covered in the cintas "maybe has a contract" situation?
[9/19/2019 12:58 PM] michaelb5250
I believe there were two vacuums in the logistics closet
[9/19/2019 12:58 PM] robert22
Pretty sure we own the vac
[9/19/2019 12:58 PM] yashsedai
not covered by cintas
[9/19/2019 12:58 PM] judykriehn3727
I was making a joke
[9/19/2019 12:59 PM] robert22
I asked the handler if she has any recommendations or any equipment needs
[9/19/2019 12:59 PM] yashsedai
😛
[9/19/2019 12:59 PM] judykriehn3727
about the lemon pledge
[9/19/2019 12:59 PM] judykriehn3727
Biohazard gear for the mens rooms and the ac/dc room?
[9/19/2019 12:59 PM] andrew5152
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[9/19/2019 1:00 PM] yashsedai
haha
[9/19/2019 1:00 PM] michaelb5250
There were some boxes of air fresheners it looked like cintas provided
[9/19/2019 1:00 PM] andrew5152
ac/dc room?
[9/19/2019 1:00 PM] judykriehn3727
the men/women/other restroom
[9/19/2019 1:00 PM] yashsedai
i have to talk with more with Pearce about the damn cintas bit,
[9/19/2019 1:00 PM] yashsedai
GRRRRRR
[9/19/2019 1:00 PM] andrew5152
ah
[9/19/2019 1:00 PM] michaelb5250
Where we rectify our problems?
[9/19/2019 1:00 PM] robert22
I am going to go meet her in 2 weeks and walk through everything but something to prep on is do we have a outdoor vac for the woodshop and metal shop
[9/19/2019 1:00 PM] robert22
Cintas contract is BS
[9/19/2019 1:00 PM] yashsedai
there are vacs in both places
[9/19/2019 1:01 PM] michaelb5250
There's a rigid shop vac in the logistics closet,
[9/19/2019 1:01 PM] judykriehn3727
@michaelb Groannnnn
[9/19/2019 1:01 PM] michaelb5250
Several more around the shop
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[9/19/2019 1:01 PM] michaelb5250
@judy Kriehn I'm glad someone appreciates my efforts
[9/19/2019 1:01 PM] robert22
Do you think the cleaner should have a dedicated one ?
[9/19/2019 1:01 PM] andrew5152
ain't nothin' stays dedicated around here
[9/19/2019 1:01 PM] judykriehn3727
RFID!
[9/19/2019 1:01 PM] robert22
Interlock!
[9/19/2019 1:02 PM] andrew5152
GFLWT
[9/19/2019 1:04 PM] robert22
But agreed on the dedicated
[9/19/2019 1:04 PM] robert22
Interlock is not practical
[9/19/2019 1:04 PM] robert22
I can have her use the shop vacs I also told her she needs to use a swiffer, brush something to clean the top of the dust collection in woodshop
[9/19/2019 1:04 PM] robert22
We can not have dust collect
[9/19/2019 1:04 PM] yashsedai
lololol
[9/19/2019 1:05 PM] yashsedai
can we get her a camera duster and let her dust the domes?
[9/19/2019 1:05 PM] yashsedai
they make something you can do it from the floor with
[9/19/2019 1:05 PM] agr0090
cleaning woodshop? should we buy a powered respirator for them? https://www.amazon.com/3M-Personal-Protective-Equipment-Versaflo/dp/B07K15G1F6/ref=sr_1_17?keywords=papr&qid=1568916285&sr=8-17
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[9/19/2019 1:05 PM] robert22
If you get a tool I can teach her
[9/19/2019 1:06 PM] michaelb5250
God damn those things are more expensive than I thought
[9/19/2019 1:08 PM] michaelb5250
Probably worth a 'hey you'll be stirring up a lot of dust in this room Id recommend you use a mask' and put a box of Rich's masks or something in the logistics closet for them.
[9/19/2019 1:08 PM] robert22
Adapter to the compressor
[9/19/2019 1:08 PM] robert22
Filtered pretty good
[9/19/2019 1:09 PM] agr0090
yeah those cheap masks would be better than nothing
[9/19/2019 1:09 PM] robert22
/s but agreed on the mask 😷
[9/19/2019 1:10 PM] robert22
Where are the masks
[9/19/2019 1:10 PM] robert22
Still in 102
[9/19/2019 1:11 PM] judykriehn3727
interlock/rfid may not be practical, but it is amusing to envision a bigass device mounted on the handle that would transform the vacuum into a workout device (weights) as well as a floor suction device.
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[9/19/2019 1:11 PM] andrew5152
Silly me. I was thinking an RFID'd closet for their dedicated stuff...
[9/19/2019 1:12 PM] andrew5152
That's much less funny
[9/19/2019 1:12 PM] judykriehn3727
We have no available closet space, do we?
[9/19/2019 1:12 PM] andrew5152
we have no available space
[9/19/2019 1:13 PM] andrew5152
doesn't seem to stop people from stealing some for their pet projects anyway
[9/19/2019 1:13 PM] judykriehn3727
As it is, it occurred to me that the ac/dc restroom might be a viable option for personal storage bins now that all the paper towel/windex/simple green/etc storage has relocated to the logistics closet.
[9/19/2019 1:14 PM] judykriehn3727
But then it occurred to me "still a stinky potty in there. Mostly used by guys. Yuck."
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[9/19/2019 1:18 PM] robert22
Allegro Industries 9901 Constant Flow Supplied Air Respirator, Full Face, Standard https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GOAKJMY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_fz8GDbYV7E9QM
[9/19/2019 1:20 PM] robert22
Dust masks should be fine but I can ask if she wants a respirator we can get her one
[9/19/2019 3:59 PM] robert22
@yashsedai “After visiting with the day porter, she stated she needs the following supplies: -Windex -Gloves (small) She also request a day porter cart. As the vacuum it would be best to have a backpack vacuum. Also the dirt devil vacuum needs a new filter.”
[9/19/2019 4:00 PM] robert22
This is what I got from the handler
[9/19/2019 4:00 PM] yashsedai
Roger
[9/19/2019 4:01 PM] robert22
Followed up with model/brand of backpack
[9/19/2019 4:01 PM] agr0090
one of these? https://www.uline.com/BL_1823/Standard-Janitor-Cart?keywords=cleaning+cart
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[9/19/2019 4:05 PM] yashsedai
we had a backpack vacuum
[9/19/2019 4:05 PM] yashsedai
last i saw it was in the middle closet
[9/19/2019 4:25 PM] robert22
Ok can anyone onsite take a look.
[9/19/2019 4:26 PM] robert22
I did about 3 min of googling but this seems to be the standard in vacuums
[9/19/2019 4:26 PM] robert22
ProTeam Backpack Vacuums, Super CoachVac Commercial Backpack Vacuum Cleaner with HEPA Media Filtration and Telescoping Wand Tool Kit, 10 Quart, Corded https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GM4YKWC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_0h.GDb8CXTMF6
[9/19/2019 4:27 PM] robert22
A little pricy at $400 but seems worth it for a full time cleaner if we find out that vacuum she had was a personal one
[9/19/2019 4:28 PM] canibalcrab
I just bought Windex. It'll be at the space tonight
[9/19/2019 4:53 PM] michaelb5250
Oh yeah sure buy the cleaner Windex but don't buy the residents styrofoam bowls. I see how it is.
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[9/19/2019 4:56 PM] nullinterface
stone cold
[9/19/2019 4:57 PM] agr0090
when you say 'bought windex' do you mean bought a case of 4 gallons? https://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-17246/Cleaning-Supplies/Windex-Refill-1-Gallon-Bottle
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[9/19/2019 4:58 PM] agr0090
that may or may not last until this lease runs out
[9/19/2019 7:06 PM] michaelb5250
Just walked by a tour in the workshop, 'and here you'll see our personal storage area, if you have a project you're working on you can apply for a 7 day storage period and I believe a one time extension for 7 days'.
[9/19/2019 7:07 PM] michaelb5250
I mean I guess it could be worse so I shouldn't complain.
[9/19/2019 7:08 PM] agr0090
7 days is the min time before it's moved to purgatory
[9/19/2019 7:09 PM] agr0090
But I doubt that's how they got to that description
[9/19/2019 7:10 PM] andrew5152
why, oh why, do rumor and misinformation get so well-traveled, but truth and proper information....never seem to leave the station...
[9/19/2019 7:11 PM] agr0090
They just need to point out the kiosk on tour, that's what you need to know about
[9/19/2019 7:13 PM] andrew5152
not a new phenomenon, either, apparently...
```Falsehood will fly, as it were, on the wings of the wind, and carry its tales to every corner of the earth; whilst truth lags behind; her steps, though sure, are slow and solemn, and she has neither vigour nor activity enough to pursue and overtake her enemy…
- Thomas Francklin (1787)```
[9/19/2019 7:13 PM] canibalcrab
That tour guide makes me sound awesome
[9/19/2019 7:15 PM] axeonos
Mayhaps we should talk to PR and make sure that the tour guides are getting the correct information
[9/19/2019 7:18 PM] andrew5152
I'm thinking queue cards. The guide flips through at each station. Reads what's on the card. No more. No less. No questions... (too much?)
[9/19/2019 7:20 PM] andrew5152
wait. that would be cue cards, no?
[9/19/2019 7:21 PM] agr0090
Could add some Blinky lights to the storage kiosk to draw attention
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[9/19/2019 7:56 PM] judykriehn3727
At a board office hours, I said that the info given by guides is horribly inconsistent, and maybe bullet points for each committee would be a good thing. Gorman immediately took offense, informing me that we had HAD that. And that he would send to me. That was over a month ago. Nothing.
[9/19/2019 7:58 PM] judykriehn3727
Last week Andrew B asked me what should be said about CA. I was bolting furniture together at the time, and without an elevator speech at the ready.
[9/19/2019 8:17 PM] andrew5152
Yeah. We all (me included) poke holes in what we have, but don't actually _take steps_ to fixing it. Of course, sometimes that's because the steps we _do_ take are summarily round-filed...
[9/19/2019 8:18 PM] andrew5152
Is is wrong to expect _everyone else_ to **demand** perfection of themselves?
[9/19/2019 10:54 PM] lavarocks.
Are you the Andrew who is there every once in a while on tour nights? Not pr andrew
[9/19/2019 11:00 PM] judykriehn3727
FYI - there are currently approximately 26 active members named Andrew.
[9/19/2019 11:04 PM] canibalcrab
Y'all need to take up my approach
[9/19/2019 11:05 PM] canibalcrab
Go Highlander on people
[9/19/2019 11:35 PM] aceat64
I tried that, people got upset that it would eventually end up in the world exploding
[9/19/2019 11:41 PM] aceat64
Or however that series ended
[9/19/2019 11:42 PM] andrew5152
Not sure if @Lavarocks 's question was aimed at me, but no. I am (generally) indisposed on Tuesday and Thursday nights, so I am (roughly) never there on those nights. I am also not Andrew LeCody. 😄
@pearce sorry to be dense... how does one "go highlander"? (I know I'm losing nerd creds by knowing next-to-nothing about highlander...)
[9/19/2019 11:48 PM] canibalcrab
"there can be only one"
[9/19/2019 11:48 PM] canibalcrab
Gotta turn them into blood fountains
[9/19/2019 11:49 PM] canibalcrab
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[9/19/2019 11:50 PM] andrew5152
Gotcha. Thank you.
[9/20/2019 12:02 AM] lavarocks.
I knew you were not Lecody but met another Andrew a few weeks ago. Not like it's a rare name.
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[9/20/2019 12:07 PM] robert22
Just finished a tour of a space in Oslo Norway there storage plan is you purchase a sticker for storage for 30 days and you can purchase another sticker for 30
Days but if your sticker expires than the materials become available for anyone to use
[9/20/2019 12:08 PM] robert22
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[9/20/2019 12:08 PM] robert22
Photos of the space
[9/20/2019 12:08 PM] andrew5152
love the idea
[9/20/2019 12:09 PM] robert22
It’s simple and elegant storage solution
[9/20/2019 12:11 PM] canibalcrab
#theft
[9/20/2019 12:11 PM] michaelb5250
The place looks awesome. I'd like to see what happens at DMS if we did that.
[9/20/2019 12:11 PM] andrew5152
wait... I think you time traveled... is that Tim Bene in the pics? But with grey hair?
[9/20/2019 12:11 PM] michaelb5250
Mostly because I think I'd I enjoy the chaos, but let's ignore that...
[9/20/2019 12:49 PM] agr0090
I'm impressed with their tool organization, just using 2 layers of the cheap home insulation instead of more expensive foam
[9/20/2019 12:50 PM] axeonos
With as many scavengers as we have people would be frothing at the mouth for that.
[9/20/2019 12:51 PM] michaelb5250
Think it's worth a shot? @AGr
[9/20/2019 12:51 PM] axeonos
The storage idea... not the insulation foam
[9/20/2019 12:53 PM] agr0090
once we have tools to organize sure
[9/20/2019 12:54 PM] agr0090
@michaelb want to do some logistics stuff on sunday?
[9/20/2019 12:54 PM] michaelb5250
Sure
[9/20/2019 12:55 PM] michaelb5250
And lol that's a good point. I guess we haven't bought any hand tools yet...
[9/20/2019 12:55 PM] agr0090
of course anyone else who wants to move stuff around is welcome also
[9/20/2019 12:56 PM] axeonos
Starting tomorrow till October @pearce and crew will be gone
[9/20/2019 12:56 PM] agr0090
I know, we have a mission to complete before they get back
[9/20/2019 12:57 PM] axeonos
God speed
[9/20/2019 12:57 PM] michaelb5250
*cue theme music*
[9/20/2019 1:00 PM] yashsedai
lol
[9/20/2019 1:06 PM] canibalcrab
Still on here while making the drives
[9/20/2019 1:40 PM] judykriehn3727
But not DURING while on here, I hope. Discording and driving is even more intense than texting while driving.
[9/20/2019 1:43 PM] yashsedai
lol no
[9/20/2019 1:46 PM] judykriehn3727
Norwegian makers seem to subsist on Pepsi, Mountain Dew, water and beer. And maybe those boxes are chocolate bars?
[9/20/2019 1:47 PM] michaelb5250
I don't think that's necessarily exclusive to Norwegian makers
[9/20/2019 1:48 PM] judykriehn3727
Kinda my point. They shop at ikea, too.
[9/20/2019 1:50 PM] judykriehn3727
Interesting that a lot of their project storage is approximately the same size as our person bins. But then, I guess without a ceramics Dept they don’t have to worry about the pitfalls of clay vs. metal.
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[9/20/2019 3:54 PM] agr0090
what would be the cheapest possible vertical storage dividers? using 2x4s or cnc cutting some 1/2" plywood?
[9/20/2019 3:56 PM] michaelb5250
What for? In place of the pipe?
[9/20/2019 3:56 PM] agr0090
could sacrifice a few inches of depth to reinforce the 2x4s at the back with a layer of plywood
[9/20/2019 3:57 PM] agr0090
as temporary solution until premade M dividers arrive
[9/20/2019 3:57 PM] michaelb5250
I like 2x4s with a plywood gusset at the back.
[9/20/2019 3:59 PM] agr0090
Yeah could get 18 2x4s for less than $50
[9/20/2019 4:12 PM] canibalcrab
I'll just buy the dividers
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[9/21/2019 3:06 PM] robert22
On the Norway Makerspace they also had an interesting tool purchase program. The members could get together and pay for a tool they thought would be useful and then could charge for it’s use till it pays off the tool and then it pays back the original members contribution. Like a toll for tools.
[9/21/2019 4:23 PM] draco_the_drake
That is very interesting but I fear someone will call the 'I' word
[9/22/2019 6:56 AM] robert22
Has the backpack vacuum been found?
[9/22/2019 1:18 PM] michaelb5250
@AGr what time were you thinking?
[9/22/2019 1:18 PM] agr0090
2:30ish?
[9/22/2019 1:26 PM] michaelb5250
Sounds good
[9/22/2019 5:03 PM] agr0090
Ramp got blocked, can someone move this to warehouse when it's open?
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[9/22/2019 5:03 PM] agr0090
Will need more hands to put up pallet racks in warehouse, for now have one section available for vertical storage, just needs dividers
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[9/22/2019 5:07 PM] agr0090
If someone delivers 12 104" 2x4s I can build some wood dividers. Dprg stuff and shear and vacuum former prevents making other side vertical storage currently
[9/26/2019 6:19 PM] apparently_weird
FYI. Two of these boxes were in front lobby. I transferred to supply closet.
[9/26/2019 6:19 PM] apparently_weird
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[9/30/2019 3:28 PM] robert22
I am planning on meeting with the cleaning company at 5pm on Wednesday would anyone else like to join?
[9/30/2019 10:09 PM] stephenie.
How's it going with the new porter?
[9/30/2019 10:26 PM] judykriehn3727
I think she’s awesome!
[9/30/2019 10:29 PM] judykriehn3727
I was at the space working on a feather flag for tour night. Looked up to see her mopping the floor in CA. My jaw about hit the floor. I sent Robert a couple of pix of the hallway right after she’d vacuumed. It was so nice. Of course, three hours later it was dirty, again, but...
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[9/30/2019 10:31 PM] yashsedai
She does an awesome job i agree
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[9/30/2019 10:51 PM] stephenie.
Is she cleaning 102?
[10/1/2019 1:12 PM] yashsedai
yes
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[10/2/2019 7:11 PM] michaelb5250
Looks like the new Ryobi 1/2" impact is broken
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[10/3/2019 7:53 AM] nullinterface
that was faster than usual
[10/3/2019 10:49 AM] judykriehn3727
We are professionals. Don't try this at home. Not.
[10/6/2019 12:16 AM] agr0090
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[10/6/2019 12:16 AM] agr0090
Should I put these logs being stored in walkway in purgatory or dumpster?
[10/6/2019 12:17 AM] canibalcrab
put them on the pallet
[10/6/2019 4:27 PM] doug.emes
FYI i didnt get a chance to put the stickers on the cardholders pearce, but they are in that mint tin underneath the DPRG shelf, pretty self / shelf expalanatory,
[10/6/2019 4:48 PM] canibalcrab
:ThinkMultiply:
[10/6/2019 4:48 PM] canibalcrab
I'm not currently following what you are talking about, but might remember when I lay hands on the stickers
[10/6/2019 4:49 PM] canibalcrab
Oh
[10/6/2019 4:49 PM] canibalcrab
Perfect
[10/10/2019 4:03 PM] kriskat309685
Pearce, May I have permission (with an ok from Rich as to keeping within fire code) to decorate the common room with Halloween stuff? I’ll take it down on November 1.
[10/10/2019 4:04 PM] kriskat309685
@pearce
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[10/10/2019 4:30 PM] canibalcrab
Let's get the common room cleaned up and remove the permanent installs from the tables before any decorating gets done.
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[10/10/2019 5:44 PM] kriskat309685
Happy to help
[10/12/2019 12:48 AM] co.van
Hi friends. I was try trying to get a receipt to get some space to store my materials on the shelves, but I ran into the problem where I scanned my RFID, but it said "Member not found" to something to that matter. Can someone please help me or direct me to someone ask for help?
[10/12/2019 12:53 AM] canibalcrab
Make sure the scanner didn't pick up your car keys, otherwise it's likely an issue with your membership. You might email accounts@dallasmakerspace.org to verify if your account is active and if the badge number works
[10/12/2019 12:57 AM] co.van
Thanks @pearce . Will do!
[10/12/2019 1:47 AM] patrickpleez1
Water sprinkler creating a geyser in front of 104
[10/12/2019 1:59 AM] canibalcrab
Hmm
[10/12/2019 1:59 AM] patrickpleez1
It’s at the road right by the turn-in nearest us
[10/12/2019 10:14 PM] judykriehn3727
@pearce - you might want to order some plain big trash bags. The only big bags in the closet are contractor bags, which while appropriate in a few committees like woodshop or machine shop are kind of an expensive option for other large trash can locations
[10/12/2019 10:14 PM] canibalcrab
can do
[10/12/2019 10:15 PM] canibalcrab
know what size you want?
[10/12/2019 11:01 PM] judykriehn3727
I dunno... I guess they’re in the 33 gallon range?
[10/13/2019 9:16 PM] camille8132
Hello! I couldn’t find my stuff today in the wood shop and I just printed a new ticket yesterday. Would it be at the offsite storage?
[10/13/2019 9:19 PM] canibalcrab
likely, ill have to look through the list later. if you had a 7 day notice and simply retagged it, yes your stuff got moved into the purgatory closet because you did not get an extension
[10/13/2019 9:20 PM] camille8132
Oh okay, how do I get access if it is in there?
[10/13/2019 9:21 PM] canibalcrab
ill have to meet you up there and retrieve it for you, i can be there tomorrow after 7 if you can make it
[10/13/2019 9:22 PM] canibalcrab
pm
[10/14/2019 9:59 AM] robert22
@pearce “Good morning. I wanted to notify that day porter needs more paper towels and small and large trash bags.” From the day porter
[10/14/2019 11:47 AM] canibalcrab
:notsure:
[10/14/2019 11:49 AM] canibalcrab
Does she know the storage closet exists? Because unless we burned through my Costco run this weekend we should have some
[10/14/2019 11:49 AM] canibalcrab
@Robert
[10/14/2019 2:19 PM] judykriehn3727
There were lots of paper towels and such when I was in there Saturday night.
[10/15/2019 8:36 AM] robert22
Where is the storage closet?
[10/15/2019 8:39 AM] apparently_weird
Common room next to door into galley.
[10/15/2019 3:54 PM] judykriehn3727
requires use of rfid to enter.
[10/16/2019 9:05 AM] robert22
Does she have access?
[10/16/2019 9:05 AM] robert22
She says today she only has 1 roll of medium trash bags
[10/16/2019 9:06 AM] robert22
“Good morning. Day porter only has 1 roll left for the medium trash bags. Could you please order more medium and large trash bags?”
[10/16/2019 9:06 AM] yashsedai
So i verified last night
[10/16/2019 9:06 AM] yashsedai
She does have access
[10/16/2019 9:06 AM] yashsedai
that is where she stores the vacuum
[10/16/2019 9:06 AM] yashsedai
also
[10/16/2019 9:07 AM] robert22
Cool she said she did have access and that’s where we are out
[10/16/2019 9:07 AM] yashsedai
there is only one roll left
[10/16/2019 9:07 AM] yashsedai
of the medium and one of the large
[10/16/2019 9:07 AM] robert22
Amazon reoccurring shipments feel like a need right now
[10/16/2019 9:08 AM] yashsedai
lol
[10/16/2019 10:18 AM] robert22
@pearce FYI above
[10/16/2019 10:19 AM] robert22
Who can get more trash bags?
[10/16/2019 10:28 AM] aceat64
It's kind of concerning how much trash we generate
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[10/16/2019 2:01 PM] axeonos
Welcome to Dallas makerspace.
[10/16/2019 4:42 PM] nullinterface
recurring shipments from somewhere - doesn't have to be the 'Zon. I gather there are numerous places around us that do this very thing, and generally at B2B rates rather than 'Zon retail rates.
[10/16/2019 6:15 PM] canibalcrab
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[10/16/2019 8:01 PM] aceat64
Beautiful
[10/16/2019 8:02 PM] aceat64
I see you got one of the newer style lights like I have
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[10/16/2019 8:02 PM] canibalcrab
Dunno we had the arm lights
[10/16/2019 8:02 PM] canibalcrab
But they disappeared
[10/16/2019 8:02 PM] aceat64
I hadn't seen any at the space before
[10/16/2019 8:02 PM] aceat64
They're super useful
[10/16/2019 8:02 PM] canibalcrab
We had 2
[10/16/2019 8:05 PM] merissa4308
Thought that was for the consumables wall?
[10/16/2019 8:26 PM] andrew5152
@merissa Isn't that the joke?
[10/16/2019 8:59 PM] canibalcrab
The pegboard was, but the plan was to use all of them the same way
[10/16/2019 9:00 PM] canibalcrab
Also I haven't had much response for consumables wall items so I haven't been able to purchase any
[10/16/2019 11:20 PM] judykriehn3727
Foam paint brushes.
[10/17/2019 12:47 AM] hon1nbo
@pearce TIG and plasma consumables. If it weren't a mess I'd say powder coat too
[10/17/2019 8:56 AM] robert22
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[10/17/2019 8:57 AM] robert22
Maya is saying we are also out of 32 gallon contractor bags
[10/17/2019 8:57 AM] robert22
@pearce
[10/17/2019 9:00 AM] yashsedai
jesus
[10/17/2019 9:00 AM] yashsedai
how the hell we go thru so man
[10/17/2019 9:07 AM] michaelb5250
Man are we just throwing these away or something?
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[10/17/2019 9:10 AM] yashsedai
they are trash bags 😛
[10/17/2019 10:06 AM] robert22
Correction 42 gallon
[10/17/2019 10:07 AM] robert22
Pretty sure trash is now being taken out and there are quite a few trash cans
[10/17/2019 12:55 PM] judykriehn3727
I think we need to be judicious about the contractor bag usage. For example, Day-to-day, trash cans in areas like CA, printmaking, classrooms, galley or common probably only need regular or leaf bag weight. Woodshop, metal and glass, maybe laser would be contractor weight candidates.
[10/17/2019 12:57 PM] agr0090
Why?
[10/17/2019 12:57 PM] andrew5152
For my $, i'd stop putting a liner in Metal Shop's. When people put metal in it, the liner is utterly useless anyway... Implementing a can-washing regimen would go further in may locales, but then, that requires someone to actually DO, and we have enough trouble getting them emptied at all...
[10/17/2019 12:57 PM] judykriehn3727
Contractor bags cost twice as much as regular?
[10/17/2019 1:00 PM] judykriehn3727
My brain was saying “Kaching!” When taking out contractor bags filled with paper and vinyl-weeding detritus.
[10/17/2019 4:03 PM] hon1nbo
in Metal, we put a liner in the plastic bins for general waste, but no liner in the steel cans for other things
[10/17/2019 4:03 PM] hon1nbo
the steel can is the one chunks of metal and hot things are supposed to go into
[10/18/2019 9:26 AM] nullinterface
a liner might *inconvenience* users by melting and/or catching fire
[10/18/2019 11:14 AM] hon1nbo
hence why we have the steel cans... however some users appear to not respect that. Considering replacing all the plastic ones with steel
[10/18/2019 11:14 AM] hon1nbo
an unlimed plastic one still gets melted through 😛
[10/18/2019 11:14 AM] hon1nbo
it's actually something we talk about when we teach the hot process class.
[10/18/2019 11:34 AM] judykriehn3727
😳 people put hot metal into trash cans?? Whoa. That trumps metal poking holes in bags of clay.
[10/18/2019 11:38 AM] andrew5152
I can't recommend storing your bags of clay _in the garbage can_
[10/18/2019 11:38 AM] andrew5152
that'd be just asking for trouble
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[10/18/2019 12:54 PM] michaelb5250
I think a few weeks back someone in blacksmithing dropped their piece into the plastic quench bucket and put a hole on the side while it was full of water...
[10/18/2019 12:56 PM] andrew5152
LOL
[10/18/2019 12:56 PM] andrew5152
Plastic's OK...til it ain't...
[10/18/2019 2:31 PM] judykriehn3727
I hope it was one of the “outside” events...
[10/18/2019 3:46 PM] hon1nbo
@michaelb why metal switched to the metal buckets, but blacksmithing seems to like their plastic ones
[10/18/2019 3:47 PM] canibalcrab
I'd argue the water issue is better than the fire issue though
[10/21/2019 12:37 PM] andrew5152
@pearce for what this might be worth, and I'm sure you already know, but just tossing it out there, RichMeyer seems to be the King of Castors, and might have something for that busted one...
[10/21/2019 12:38 PM] canibalcrab
I was also thinking we could just let that cart die
[10/21/2019 12:39 PM] michaelb5250
It's been through a lot
[10/21/2019 12:39 PM] peasandclams
viking funeral the cart?
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[10/21/2019 2:18 PM] judykriehn3727
Flaming dumpster death?
[10/21/2019 2:23 PM] hon1nbo
I'm sure Nick Sainz, @Lampy (Ken Purcell) , and myself can come up with something lol
[10/21/2019 2:23 PM] hon1nbo
@Lampy (Ken Purcell) whose insurance should be put it under 😛
[10/21/2019 2:23 PM] hon1nbo
I think Carl will lend his out lol
[10/21/2019 2:26 PM] kenpurcell
Ha, Carl would love it but it would have to be much bigger! I'm sure the AHJ would not be happy to have a flaming cart rocketing down the back alleyway with additional pyro going off.
[10/21/2019 2:28 PM] hon1nbo
hey, but there'
[10/21/2019 2:28 PM] hon1nbo
s that piece of paper that says we know what we're doing!
[10/21/2019 2:29 PM] hon1nbo
shame I missed the last event
[10/21/2019 2:29 PM] hon1nbo
we could strap a rocket to it and try to ramp it into the dumpster
[10/21/2019 2:30 PM] hon1nbo
I mean it's a work cart, but with a rocket we can call it a weapon of mass construction
[10/21/2019 3:01 PM] michaelb5250
Guys guys you're forgetting the obvious here. If we're going to throw something away in style, we need to leave it to the professional. @AGr
[10/21/2019 3:04 PM] kentamanos
you missed the part where we complain about it for 2+ years 🙂
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[10/21/2019 3:06 PM] hon1nbo
let's build a new trebuchet to throw it into the dumpster
[10/21/2019 3:06 PM] hon1nbo
we can design the machine to throw itself in there with the cart when it's done.
[10/23/2019 9:46 AM] patrickpleez1
@pearce this was given to me by Miramar, so I’m passing it on to you. She said it’s what’s needed.
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[10/23/2019 10:07 AM] hon1nbo
have we gone through 300+ cups in less than 2 weeks? I recall at least 1 full bag and most of another at least before I left on my trip
[10/23/2019 10:07 AM] hon1nbo
each bag is 250-odd if I recall correctly
[10/23/2019 2:47 PM] patrickpleez1
This is what she asked me to send. I’ll go take a look in the magic room of lies.
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[10/23/2019 4:40 PM] sewingstuff2561
I thought we weren’t stocking cups and plates anymore?
[10/23/2019 4:42 PM] canibalcrab
Nop
[10/23/2019 4:42 PM] canibalcrab
But I got the rest
[10/23/2019 5:21 PM] judykriehn3727
Some of the plates may be left from the mass quantities I bought for that picnic in sept.
[10/23/2019 5:35 PM] canibalcrab
Shit I forgot to get paper at Costco
[10/26/2019 12:17 PM] doug.emes
Hi @pearce can u fix my posting ability in chairs please
[10/28/2019 9:50 PM] doug.emes
Bump for @pearce
[10/28/2019 10:00 PM] canibalcrab
done
[10/28/2019 10:06 PM] doug.emes
Thank you
[10/29/2019 1:17 AM] patrickpleez1
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[10/29/2019 1:17 AM] patrickpleez1
Old faithful has returned...
[10/29/2019 10:20 AM] yashsedai
lol
[10/29/2019 10:20 AM] yashsedai
they have a few like that
[10/29/2019 4:16 PM] judykriehn3727
Climate change
[10/29/2019 6:27 PM] canibalcrab
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[10/29/2019 6:43 PM] andrew5152
shiny!
[10/29/2019 6:43 PM] andrew5152
aaaaaand they're gone...
[10/29/2019 8:29 PM] nullinterface
Ah the old Harbor Fraught
[10/29/2019 8:38 PM] andrew5152
They steal just as well as 💲
[10/30/2019 9:26 AM] kenpurcell
Those step drills are probably already gone
[10/30/2019 11:03 AM] judykriehn3727
Reminds me... @pearce, remember our discussion about foam brushes? I was at Dollar Tree and they have these packages of multiple sizes for a buck. Seems like a winner to me for the maker-crap canteen. They have a website allowing bulk purchases.
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[10/30/2019 12:29 PM] canibalcrab
Nice
[11/3/2019 2:03 PM] canibalcrab
Freddy is going to be heading up the storage meeting and tagging since I have a wedding to be at today
[11/3/2019 2:18 PM] yashsedai
I'm running just a few behind, ill be there shortly
[11/3/2019 2:31 PM] yashsedai
I've run into something that will delay me by at least 2 hours. I apologize to all.
[11/4/2019 10:02 AM] robert22
Ryobi ONE+ DEVOUR 18-Volt Cordless Debris Sweeper, Transparent 4.5 Gal Tub Capacity with LED Headlights, Rear Wheel Height Adjustment, 21" Wide Cleaning Swath (TOOL ONLY) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07BH1VB1Y/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_YTeWDb23YG41T
[11/4/2019 10:02 AM] robert22
@pearce what do you think looks like could help clean up the shop and runs on the Ryobi platform
[11/4/2019 10:03 AM] robert22
It might clean up wood shop as well
[11/4/2019 10:05 AM] robert22
https://youtu.be/rAtxmTHv3ao this guy did a ton of wood dust and it works alright for small wood dust but great for things larger than shavings
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[11/4/2019 11:39 AM] canibalcrab
I feel like people still won't use it though. They can't use a broom
[11/4/2019 11:40 AM] canibalcrab
The Ryobi shop vacs are actually pretty good, we have some in our shop at PolyPrinter
[11/4/2019 12:10 PM] doug.emes
I have 3 different ryobi vacuum models, the "stick" one is good to have for classroom spills of dry goods. The portable 2 gallon wet dry is great for portable vacuum of a non hazardous spill anywhere. The 6 gallon is meh. Sure it's big, but it doesnt pull harder than the smaller ones.
[11/4/2019 2:20 PM] nullinterface
only big upside for the 6 gallon one for me was the inclusion of a 9Ah battery
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[11/4/2019 2:37 PM] judykriehn3727
And it’s not like our floors are unimpeded by obstacles. Just sweeping the floor in laser is a chore with a gazillion cables running everywhere. Wood shop sweeping is no easier.
[11/4/2019 2:38 PM] michaelb5250
Y'all are forgetting the CNT factor. That alone makes it worth buying
[11/4/2019 2:40 PM] judykriehn3727
Nerd.
[11/4/2019 2:41 PM] mizgeek
You say “nerd” like it’s a bad thing 😝
[11/4/2019 2:42 PM] michaelb5250
I guess only nerds get the cool new toys
[11/4/2019 2:44 PM] mizgeek
Correct!
[11/4/2019 4:42 PM] doug.emes
Dagnabit, mine came battery less
[11/4/2019 7:15 PM] michaelb5250
This argument applies to everything on the shelf though.
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[11/4/2019 7:48 PM] canibalcrab
Yeah but fuck off with putting busted auto parts on there
[11/4/2019 7:52 PM] canibalcrab
Tagging is done
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[11/4/2019 7:52 PM] canibalcrab
Shout out to @Patrickpleez1 for helping
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[11/5/2019 12:13 PM] axeonos
Like getting a roombas for a house that you know has a dog with runny dieherria.....you know shit's going to be everywhere
[11/5/2019 12:26 PM] andrew5152
LOL.
Presuming everyone's already seen this, but here's what that calls to mind
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[11/5/2019 12:30 PM] andrew5152
here's the original story, if you can get friendface to phoqueoff long enough for you to read it (or if you're demented enough to be logged in there) https://www.facebook.com/jesse.newton.37/posts/776177951574
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[11/5/2019 2:44 PM] aesuna
That happened to me the very first day I got a robot vacuum. I was almost even expecting it because I'd been warned, but I leave my dog unattended for all of five minutes and the smell hits. The carpet wasn't even the issue, it gets *everywhere* inside the vacuum and there are a lot of brushes and crannies and wheel wells to clean out.
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[11/9/2019 7:12 PM] canibalcrab
Tomorrow (Sunday) is more logistics work day stuff, could use a few helping hands to clear out purgatory, move new offenders in, clear freebie shelf, clear lost and found shelf, clean up tool walls etc
[11/9/2019 7:12 PM] canibalcrab
We start at 2pm
[11/10/2019 2:18 PM] canibalcrab
Trashing more stuff
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[11/10/2019 6:21 PM] andrew5152
Makes me cry a little bit, but good job! And thank you!
[11/10/2019 6:21 PM] canibalcrab
yeah
[11/10/2019 9:25 PM] judykriehn3727
Was there metal on the bag of clay? Inquiring minds want to know.
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[11/10/2019 9:26 PM] canibalcrab
it was nearby
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[11/12/2019 2:13 PM] patrickpleez1
From the porter
[11/12/2019 2:16 PM] canibalcrab
Scott Bright sponges?
[11/12/2019 2:16 PM] michaelb5250
Scotch bright?
[11/12/2019 2:17 PM] apparently_weird
Are we discriminating against Irish sponges? /joke
[11/12/2019 2:18 PM] canibalcrab
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This stuff?
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[11/12/2019 2:19 PM] canibalcrab
We've never had it, I'm wondering what she's trying to clean
[11/12/2019 2:19 PM] andrew5152
all I can envision is a RainBow Brite, bottle of Jonnie walker in the each hand...
[11/12/2019 3:04 PM] sewingstuff2561
Are we still stocking cups?
[11/12/2019 3:07 PM] yashsedai
lol
[11/12/2019 3:07 PM] yashsedai
i don't believe so
[11/12/2019 3:10 PM] canibalcrab
No but other individual members who wanted cups available have frequently donated bags of cups
[11/12/2019 9:09 PM] hon1nbo
I used to donate about 400-500 at a time. I let my Sam's membership lapse and I haven't bothered with Costco yet since I haven't needed to stock up on anything
[11/23/2019 10:57 AM] stephenie.
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[11/23/2019 10:58 AM] stephenie.
Unapproved personal storage?
[11/23/2019 10:59 AM] stephenie.
@pearce say the word and Scott and I will pitch it.
[11/23/2019 11:31 AM] merissa4308
Maybe move to purgatory?
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[11/23/2019 11:54 AM] stephenie.
That's an idea
[11/23/2019 12:14 PM] canibalcrab
I believe that's just old
[11/23/2019 12:14 PM] canibalcrab
I'd say trash it
[11/23/2019 12:20 PM] canibalcrab
Any reason we couldn't push the rack against that wall?
[11/23/2019 12:21 PM] michaelb5250
Well yeah there's this weird half round wooden thing in the way.
[11/23/2019 12:22 PM] michaelb5250
It's clearly visible in the picture
[11/23/2019 12:24 PM] canibalcrab
Yeah it's been stored there forever
[11/23/2019 12:24 PM] canibalcrab
The dumpster gods need a sacrifice
[11/23/2019 12:25 PM] michaelb5250
Oh, gotta make sure woodshop can still reach their clamps
[11/23/2019 12:25 PM] michaelb5250
That might be why it's there
[11/23/2019 12:26 PM] michaelb5250
If so, it could be filled with cabinets instead of just being empty
[11/23/2019 12:27 PM] canibalcrab
It's just going to collect people's shit again
[11/23/2019 12:29 PM] michaelb5250
Not if they were locked committee cabinets
[11/23/2019 12:30 PM] michaelb5250
Too bad there isn't a nearby committee with lots of cabinets and very little space to keep them...
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[11/23/2019 2:47 PM] stephenie.
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[11/23/2019 2:48 PM] stephenie.
Ladies room across from Pillar of Solitude. Cintas cover won't lock in place. Is there a key? Or is it broken?
[11/23/2019 2:56 PM] andrew5152
Sounds broken. Generically for that kind of device, there's no key. It just turns the cam thingy that spreads those 2 ears on the latch so they pop off the post in the center. Then they're usually spring-loaded to re-close and you can just swing it shut and they lock in place...
[11/23/2019 3:06 PM] yashsedai
its likely broken
[11/23/2019 3:06 PM] yashsedai
people have forced them open
[11/23/2019 3:09 PM] stephenie.
@Brsims @pearce @yashsedai which of you manages the contract?
[11/23/2019 5:28 PM] judykriehn3727
(They all start whistling and looking anywhere else, then declare they hear their mother calling. )
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[11/23/2019 6:10 PM] yashsedai
@Robert
[11/23/2019 6:10 PM] yashsedai
is the contact person
[11/23/2019 6:20 PM] robert22
Which contract
[11/23/2019 6:22 PM] robert22
I don’t do anything with Cintas sanitation just fire and medical
[11/23/2019 6:22 PM] robert22
Honestly would fire them if I could
[11/23/2019 6:26 PM] yashsedai
sorry
[11/23/2019 6:26 PM] yashsedai
i was thinking cleaners
[11/23/2019 6:26 PM] yashsedai
i can contact Cintas
[11/23/2019 8:29 PM] stephenie.
Switching channels
[11/27/2019 7:21 AM] robert22
FYI porter will not be in today till 1:30
[11/27/2019 9:07 AM] canibalcrab
And she's off tomorrow
[12/1/2019 12:57 PM] canibalcrab
[insert inspiring and motivational text about coming up to help with storage extension meeting at 2pm today]
[12/1/2019 1:41 PM] canibalcrab
Had to turn around and go back to the house. Will be a bit late
[12/1/2019 3:53 PM] canibalcrab
Does anyone know if it's possible to export the list of current emails being used from the storage kiosk?
[12/1/2019 3:53 PM] canibalcrab
@yashsedai @AGr
[12/1/2019 6:56 PM] yashsedai
I can check
[12/1/2019 7:17 PM] canibalcrab
@Roomatologist manually typed in the emails this time but it would be nice to be able to pull them
[12/1/2019 8:41 PM] yashsedai
ive got them
[12/1/2019 10:49 PM] aceat64
Fairly sure I can pull them, I looked at the source a while back
[12/1/2019 10:50 PM] canibalcrab
it would be a nice stop gap to be able to pull them.
instead of calling all 57 expired tags today we emailed
[12/1/2019 10:52 PM] canibalcrab
dani typed them in from the paper tags. it was still faster than calling, but a pain to do manually
[12/2/2019 9:51 AM] judykriehn3727
I feel your pain. Building the personal storage bin spreadsheet felt the same way... my sympathies to Dani’s fingers.
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[12/2/2019 10:57 AM] hon1nbo
We should either add a mode for a non-storage ticket, or make a second kiosk
[12/2/2019 10:57 AM] hon1nbo
these are popular for tag outs, quick automotive parts runs, and other things to ensure that someone leaves notes and their contact information
[12/2/2019 1:57 PM] canibalcrab
I'm inclined to say auto should make their own kiosk for it because I cant get people to fill these out or read the whole thing and adding more options to it won't help that
[12/2/2019 2:54 PM] doug.emes
We need it for lost and found etc
[12/2/2019 2:55 PM] doug.emes
I'll add a board item for 2 more kiosks
[12/2/2019 2:56 PM] yashsedai
no need to add a board item for this
[12/2/2019 2:56 PM] yashsedai
just place a written request with infra
[12/2/2019 3:05 PM] canibalcrab
Can do
[12/6/2019 9:12 AM] stephenie.
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[12/6/2019 9:16 AM] stephenie.
@pearce ditto what @judy Kriehn said. You've posted before about tackeling the common room after wasteland and the Maker fair and other things have passed. I will make time in my schedule (barring travel) if you've got a date in mind.
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[12/6/2019 9:24 AM] robert22
Anyone know if there is carpet cleaner that can go in the steam cleaner going to have the cleaners start shampooing
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[12/6/2019 9:28 AM] michaelb5250
How about next Saturday the 14th
[12/6/2019 9:29 AM] michaelb5250
I won't be in town so I don't have to listen to the screaming 😝
[12/6/2019 9:39 AM] stephenie.
I'm free on the 14th.
[12/6/2019 11:14 AM] canibalcrab
How about Sunday, first and second Sundays are logistics work days anyways and I usually have the rest of the space on the to do list, but it's just been me and Dani for the past few
[12/6/2019 11:24 AM] michaelb5250
I'm good for this sunday
[12/6/2019 2:37 PM] judykriehn3727
If before 2, I can help. Hosting quiltpocalypse from 2-5.
[12/6/2019 2:42 PM] canibalcrab
We could get started early. 2 is moving items. Need to clean off freebie shelf as well
[12/6/2019 7:10 PM] yashsedai
i'm down for halping on sunday
[12/6/2019 7:10 PM] lavarocks.
I'll help
[12/6/2019 7:23 PM] lavarocks.
What time we thinking?
[12/6/2019 7:23 PM] lavarocks.
I can bring donuts
[12/6/2019 7:37 PM] michaelb5250
I was thinking 10am
[12/6/2019 7:40 PM] canibalcrab
We might be later since we have to do the storage at 2 but you guys can start on the kitchen and common room at 10
[12/6/2019 7:48 PM] michaelb5250
So stick all the computers on the tables by the finance office, put all the personal stuff in lost and found
[12/6/2019 7:54 PM] aceat64
I think I can be there as well to help
[12/6/2019 7:54 PM] aceat64
Gotta double check to be sure
[12/6/2019 10:31 PM] stephenie.
I'll be there at 10am. Might bring the teenager who lives in my house.
[12/6/2019 10:36 PM] aceat64
yup, I'll be there for sure
[12/7/2019 3:12 AM] patrickpleez1
Is there anything we can do about the broken tiles in the Galley? If the pieces are present we can match it.
[12/7/2019 3:13 AM] patrickpleez1
If we had another wide runner we could hide it while we match the tile.
[12/7/2019 3:14 AM] patrickpleez1
Preferably the black, industrial type that’s already provided in the kitchen.
[12/7/2019 7:58 AM] stephenie.
I'll make hot ham & cheese on croissants. A dozen?
[12/7/2019 9:06 AM] nullinterface
I'll try to turn out now that I've recovered from my chronic *logistics allergies*
[12/7/2019 9:16 AM] robert22
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[12/7/2019 9:16 AM] robert22
Alright guys we need this!
[12/7/2019 3:44 PM] stephenie.
@pearce no paper towels. Am headed to Sam's club. Want me to buy some? How many rolls?
[12/7/2019 4:06 PM] canibalcrab
Buy a pack and I get more tomorrow on the way in
[12/7/2019 4:07 PM] canibalcrab
You mean rolls right? There should be tons of trifold
[12/7/2019 4:32 PM] canibalcrab
Is there a reason we shouldn't switch to the trifolds over the rolls? We go through so many of the rolls
[12/7/2019 4:34 PM] stephenie.
Are they meant for the Cintas dispensers?
[12/7/2019 4:39 PM] canibalcrab
No those are hard wound
[12/7/2019 4:40 PM] canibalcrab
Trifold is what are pre installed in the bathroom walls and in various places around the space like the auto shelf next to the lasers
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[12/7/2019 4:47 PM] stephenie.
Two big boxes.
[12/7/2019 4:49 PM] canibalcrab
yeah those hold something like 4-6k paper towels compared to the rolls
[12/7/2019 4:51 PM] stephenie.
Gotcha. I'll skip picking up paper towels. Let's go with those trifolds
[12/7/2019 4:51 PM] stephenie.
Shelf space is tight in that closet
[12/7/2019 4:54 PM] canibalcrab
ill get some rolls tomorrow and then we can try to get more dispensers put back up if i can get those too
[12/7/2019 4:54 PM] stephenie.
Understood.
[12/7/2019 4:54 PM] stephenie.
See you tomorrow
[12/7/2019 6:28 PM] judykriehn3727
@yashsedai : what’s the story on those two drawer/filing units that have been sitting next to the copier since August? Are they an unsolicited donation?
[12/7/2019 7:09 PM] judykriehn3727
I’d like to make them either disappear tomorrow during cleanup. Failing that, place a board across the top so maybe they could be (almost) useful.
[12/7/2019 9:19 PM] patrickpleez1
This stuff has been moved to the warehouse. And it’s a donation with no home? The cat 6 has been relocated to the server room in 104. The red thong for board games and the projector occupying a table in the common room will be relocated shortly.
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[12/7/2019 9:29 PM] canibalcrab
Who the hell donated it without someone to take it
[12/7/2019 9:29 PM] lavarocks.
Some guys came for a tour and dropped it off without asking
[12/7/2019 9:30 PM] lavarocks.
Unfortunately, people dont always get through on the phone and they think they are doing good by giving us crap
[12/7/2019 9:32 PM] talkers
Other times, we win an ultrasonic plastic welder
[12/7/2019 9:32 PM] lavarocks.
They contacted us before donating
[12/7/2019 9:33 PM] talkers
My point is people give in hopes that it is useful
[12/7/2019 9:33 PM] talkers
Not that they drive past dumpsters to bring things to us
[12/8/2019 9:07 AM] kenpurcell
I talked with the guy but did not know that was his until after he left. He will likely become a member asbhe was very impressed with DMS.
[12/8/2019 9:25 AM] lavarocks.
I will not be able to make it in this morning to help as something came up. I apologize for the late notice.
[12/8/2019 9:45 AM] stephenie.
Running 15m late. Wrapping up the ham croissants!
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[12/8/2019 9:48 AM] canibalcrab
Can anyone who gets to the space first let me know of the closet is low on anything else? I'll be at Costco in a few minutes
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[12/8/2019 9:51 AM] stephenie.
Pics I took yesterday. Don't know if you can tell if something is low from looking at them.
[12/8/2019 9:55 AM] canibalcrab
Hard to tell
[12/8/2019 9:55 AM] canibalcrab
Maybe organizing that closet should be on our list today too
[12/8/2019 10:10 AM] judykriehn3727
Just one box remaining of the big black trash bags. None are the contractor variety.
[12/8/2019 10:10 AM] judykriehn3727
Plenty of kitchen size bags
[12/8/2019 10:12 AM] judykriehn3727
Just one full box of the multi fold paper towels. Box on floor only has three bunches left.
[12/8/2019 10:13 AM] judykriehn3727
Does Conrad provide the contras towel rolls? Only five rolls remaining there
[12/8/2019 10:14 AM] judykriehn3727
I thought we had disposed of old batteries? Three containers with leaky ones.
[12/8/2019 10:15 AM] judykriehn3727
Not Conrad. Cintas. Damn autocorrect...
[12/8/2019 10:16 AM] judykriehn3727
Batteries + Bulbs takes batteries for recycling.
[12/8/2019 10:16 AM] judykriehn3727
Contras=Cintas too. Eye roll.
[12/8/2019 10:25 AM] canibalcrab
That's where they got disposed to I guess
[12/8/2019 10:26 AM] canibalcrab
They just hid them from the fire marshal
[12/8/2019 10:36 AM] judykriehn3727
If you are still at Costco and they have cheap business-size envelopes...
[12/8/2019 10:43 AM] canibalcrab
I actually had those in the cart already for you
[12/8/2019 10:50 AM] judykriehn3727
👏👏👏👏👏
[12/8/2019 11:14 AM] aceat64
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[12/8/2019 11:15 AM] aceat64
Before and after test of magic erasers, still needs to be resealed though
[12/8/2019 11:15 AM] michaelb5250
If it needs to be resealed should we just sand it down?
[12/8/2019 11:23 AM] canibalcrab
:disgustin:
[12/8/2019 11:29 AM] aceat64
Yeah, probably
[12/8/2019 11:29 AM] aceat64
Suggestions on sanding? I don't know wood
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[12/8/2019 11:29 AM] aceat64
Not brand new, but still a lot better
[12/8/2019 11:36 AM] michaelb5250
If the festools are in use, I think we have a rotex. 120 grit on their most aggressive setting should take everything off pretty easy. The dust collection should be really good about preventing the room from being coated when it's done too
[12/8/2019 12:10 PM] canibalcrab
Who's this belong to?
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[12/8/2019 12:17 PM] doug.emes
Patrick uses an escooter, I don't know of that is his
[12/8/2019 1:35 PM] stephenie.
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[12/8/2019 1:36 PM] stephenie.
Cable management is happening.
[12/8/2019 1:39 PM] michaelb5250
Ohhhh shit that's why everyone's posting about the common room. I suggest a time then got totally distracted by the other weekend project... whoops.
[12/8/2019 2:17 PM] judykriehn3727
Michael, you ignorant slut...
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[12/8/2019 3:35 PM] canibalcrab
Clean up several areas and removed the bin cave
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[12/8/2019 3:42 PM] judykriehn3727
Thumbs up!!! Wasn’t expecting the cave rearrangement to take place so soon, but cool!
[12/8/2019 3:53 PM] canibalcrab
@judy Kriehn sorry but I didn't put them up in order
[12/8/2019 4:53 PM] judykriehn3727
No problem. I’ll sort them out tomorrow.
[12/8/2019 4:54 PM] judykriehn3727
Did they all fit into the remaining space by electronics?
[12/8/2019 6:17 PM] canibalcrab
Still needed the small shelf
[12/8/2019 6:17 PM] canibalcrab
Could build more of them
[12/8/2019 7:10 PM] aceat64
Thanks everyone, I think we've dramatically improved the usability of the room
[12/8/2019 7:33 PM] robert22
On the tables the original design was to use a fly cutter bit on the Cnc router to remove the top 1-2mm and then reseal
[12/8/2019 7:34 PM] aceat64
that would be cool
[12/8/2019 7:37 PM] canibalcrab
They'd have to be done one at a time to reduce down time
[12/9/2019 11:05 AM] stephenie.
Would someone explain to this Logistics neophyte what traditionally happens on Logistics First Sunday and Logistics Second Sunday workdays?
[12/9/2019 11:07 AM] stephenie.
I know it's good, much needed stuff involving project storage, but I'm sketchy on details.
[12/9/2019 11:15 AM] aceat64
First Sunday is tagging and notifying people their storage has expired
[12/9/2019 11:16 AM] aceat64
Second Sunday is moving the expired stuff (if it's still there) to purgatory, tossing the stuff from previous months and clearing out the exchange shelf if it's overflowing.
[12/9/2019 11:22 AM] stephenie.
@pearce I'm looking at Luke Strickland's old Project Storage workday events on the calendar. He booked them for 2 hr blocks. If you say OK, I'll create events for 1st and 2nd Sundays until May from 2-4p.
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[12/9/2019 11:22 AM] stephenie.
Get you some visibility
[12/9/2019 11:25 AM] stephenie.
Also, the announcement about the Common Room clean up has generated attention. Nicole is very interested in participating in the next Room Beautification. Which will be the Lobby on 1st Sunday in January. You ok with me making a calendar event for 1st Sunday starting at 10am for that?
[12/9/2019 12:18 PM] canibalcrab
Go for it
I meant to get them up
[12/9/2019 12:18 PM] canibalcrab
On both requests
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[12/9/2019 12:19 PM] canibalcrab
Although they usually end up going past 4pm
[12/9/2019 12:20 PM] stephenie.
I'm going to add bring $5 and throw in for a pizza run.
[12/9/2019 12:35 PM] stephenie.
I'm updating the Logisitics wiki to reflect the new regular date.
[12/9/2019 12:36 PM] stephenie.
Oops. Nevermind. I don't have permission.
[12/9/2019 12:36 PM] stephenie.
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[12/9/2019 12:37 PM] canibalcrab
Hmm. I'll look into that when I get done with work
[12/9/2019 1:13 PM] andrew5152
Wait...you're going to suggest buying your own pizza?
Where's Draco (and some others) to champion "free" pizza for all?!? 😤
[12/9/2019 1:14 PM] andrew5152
(in case it doesn't come across, and I'm sorry I don't know the emoji for this, but that is D R I P P I N G with sarcasm...)
[12/9/2019 1:27 PM] michaelb5250
Oh it came across just fine
[12/9/2019 2:08 PM] judykriehn3727
Battery recycling info: I was turning in some no longer needed rechargeable stuff at Batteries+Bulbs just now. Manager said that they will recycle nicad, recycleable etc, but alkaline can go to dump. So.. I’m thinking pull on a pair of rubber gloves, go through the three contains in janitor closet and sort accordingly.
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[12/9/2019 9:46 PM] nullinterface
Not sure if I locked down the group pages or not because of the Board-defined charters
[12/9/2019 9:47 PM] nullinterface
If I did, tag me, message me on Talk, or email me and I'll see what I can do to open that bottleneck
[12/10/2019 5:02 PM] canibalcrab
We need approximately 3 more of these short bin shelves
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[12/10/2019 11:36 PM] judykriehn3727
Why do we need more?
I was kinda thinking it would be good to move this small rack to where the copier used to be, for the people like me who spend most of their time in or near CA or in the woodshop.
[12/10/2019 11:39 PM] canibalcrab
splitting them up makes them hard to keep cameras on
[12/12/2019 9:52 AM] judykriehn3727
Well, with help from JeffcWhitcomb, I transformed the solo set to The Purgatory Annex (bins of no-longer-current members) and attempted to get the others sorted out. And soon came to conclusion that was an impossible undertaking. So just focused on putting bins belonging to known-to-be-tall people up high(er), bins belonging to known-to-be-shorter people low(er) and overweight bins near or at the bottom.
[12/12/2019 10:43 AM] nullinterface
come across some dude with this logo on their bin, feel free to put it at the top -
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[12/12/2019 11:14 AM] judykriehn3727
I put yours at the top. But didn’t notice this logo
[12/12/2019 11:15 AM] nullinterface
dark green. on the side opposite the statutory label.
[12/12/2019 11:46 AM] mizgeek
Wayne and I are taller, but like to be snuggle close. 😃
[12/12/2019 12:26 PM] judykriehn3727
You guys are closer now.
[12/14/2019 11:00 AM] mizgeek
Thanks! (We are still in Mt Vernon lighting the flying Jesus show)
[12/14/2019 2:36 PM] stephenie.
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[12/14/2019 2:37 PM] canibalcrab
Awesome thanks
[12/14/2019 2:40 PM] aceat64
hackathon is also working on rewriting the kiosk software to send an email before the tagging date with the list of storage tags that have been printed
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[12/14/2019 3:05 PM] stephenie.
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[12/14/2019 3:06 PM] stephenie.
Logistics is set through April - up until Board elections.
[12/14/2019 4:11 PM] stephenie.
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[12/14/2019 4:12 PM] stephenie.
Is that our unit in the common room?
[12/14/2019 4:18 PM] canibalcrab
yes
[12/15/2019 11:30 PM] robert22
Your friend has shared a link to a Home Depot product they think you would be interested in seeing.
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[12/15/2019 11:31 PM] robert22
Saw this deal today Ryobi wet/dry vacs I wonder if it would assist in cleaning up
[12/15/2019 11:47 PM] canibalcrab
those are actually pretty good
[12/15/2019 11:56 PM] michaelb5250
Metal shop seems to like their Milwaukee box, might be cool to have some for the main shop
[12/16/2019 12:29 AM] doug.emes
I own that one, it's good for a variety of spill but don't bother with the 6 gallon one, it's not any stronger
[12/16/2019 12:30 AM] hon1nbo
How's it on filters?
[12/24/2019 6:43 PM] hon1nbo
has more of the hand scrub been ordered?
[12/27/2019 5:45 PM] hon1nbo
@pearce
[12/27/2019 5:47 PM] canibalcrab
Negative
[12/27/2019 7:00 PM] hon1nbo
Well we've been hard out of any hand scrub for a while now it seems
[12/27/2019 7:19 PM] canibalcrab
I'll grab some
[12/27/2019 7:50 PM] doug.emes
:+1:
[12/27/2019 7:51 PM] judykriehn3727
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[12/27/2019 7:51 PM] judykriehn3727
Shouldn’t whatever the heck this is have a storage ticket??
[12/27/2019 7:53 PM] michaelb5250
Yeah, but, if they put a ticket on it we might know who to blame for improper storage.
[12/27/2019 8:08 PM] yashsedai
Its Tom
[12/27/2019 8:09 PM] michaelb5250
Damn I guess the Sherlock impressions will have to wait.
[12/27/2019 8:14 PM] talkers
It is next to the project he's been working on for a while
[12/27/2019 8:15 PM] judykriehn3727
He’s been working on a craftsman tool chest? Or a filing cabinet?
[12/27/2019 8:16 PM] michaelb5250
Sorry, I should admit I was just being snarky. I don't mean to start a witch hunt or anything, I don't really use that side of the shop so it doesn't bother me.
[12/27/2019 8:16 PM] talkers
Something round
[12/27/2019 8:16 PM] talkers
It's what the board is laying against
[12/27/2019 8:17 PM] talkers
@michaelb thank you Michael
[12/27/2019 8:18 PM] talkers
Too often things are misinterpreted and that negative energy hurts the community.
[12/27/2019 8:18 PM] judykriehn3727
The round thing is what I was referring to. The stuff leaning against it is for the round things, I assumed. But no ticket that I can find.
[12/27/2019 8:19 PM] agr0090
Members abusing open access to areas and monopolizing limited resources for themselves also hurts the community
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[12/27/2019 8:19 PM] judykriehn3727
Seems like a lot of work to risk disposal if an owner is not discernible and he/she hasn’t obtained appropriate permissions to store.
[12/27/2019 8:22 PM] talkers
@AGr so does your screen name Brandon
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[12/27/2019 8:23 PM] yashsedai
his screen name hurts the community?
[12/27/2019 8:26 PM] kenpurcell
Been abusing storage and the space so it should get a warning and then go.
[12/27/2019 8:28 PM] michaelb5250
It really doesn't look like there's much here to be misinterpreted. Things are being stored in a location where they shouldn't be.
[12/27/2019 8:29 PM] aceat64
hmm, seems I can't set my nickname on the server to `FixerOfBrokenInfraBlamesFreddyForEverything` because it's too long
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[12/27/2019 8:29 PM] michaelb5250
It doesn't bother me, but it could very easily bother other people who do use that area of the space and don't appreciate it. If it bothers them, they should fix it.
[12/27/2019 8:31 PM] sewingstuff2561
Maybe if people didn’t leave random unlabeled trash around there would be no need to fill dumpsters. It’s sad that people are so slovenly that it’s become a thing.
[12/27/2019 8:35 PM] yashsedai
lol
[12/27/2019 8:38 PM] talkers
@yashsedai agreed
[12/27/2019 8:38 PM] yashsedai
I'm not agreeing it hurts the community
[12/27/2019 8:39 PM] yashsedai
Why do you think this?
[12/27/2019 8:39 PM] talkers
So what is your take on Brandon's name?
[12/27/2019 8:39 PM] yashsedai
That he fills dumpsters with crap that people leave behind inappropriately
[12/27/2019 8:39 PM] michaelb5250
I mean, the space just attracts people that have an unnatural addiction to collecting junk (I say that surrounded by tubs of motors and electronics). It's no surprise the space mirrors that. Eventually we'll realize that motorsports doesn't need 5 intake manifolds and woodshop doesn't need salsa jars full of unsorted screws.
[12/27/2019 8:40 PM] talkers
He could have gone with builder of tables, builder of storage
[12/27/2019 8:40 PM] yashsedai
So you think because his view is different than yours its hurtful?
[12/27/2019 8:40 PM] talkers
Positive things that @AGr certainly constructively contributed
[12/27/2019 8:41 PM] talkers
But throwing things away is always a loss
[12/27/2019 8:41 PM] yashsedai
What would you say if I asserted that your viewpoint is intolerant and hurtful to the community because it is negative?
[12/27/2019 8:41 PM] talkers
And that's what Brandon is tagging
[12/27/2019 8:41 PM] yashsedai
How is that any different?
[12/27/2019 8:44 PM] michaelb5250
Throwing things away gets us a cleaner space, where we don't have to waste time looking for things, or using a non-ideal part because 'well we have this, we should make it work instead of buying the ideal one'. All of those are wins to me.
[12/27/2019 8:44 PM] yashsedai
@john a gorman I ask this sincerely.
[12/27/2019 8:48 PM] aceat64
> But throwing things away is always a loss
This isn't correct, there are plenty of things that are actual trash and the space gains from _not_ having. For instance, it would not be a gain to take a trash can and dump it on a table.
[12/27/2019 8:48 PM] talkers
@yashsedai if you mean you ask "
What would you say if I asserted that your viewpoint is intolerant and hurtful to the community because it is negative?", then I respond it is beyond my ken. Ask a professional counselor.
[12/27/2019 8:48 PM] aceat64
getting rid of an unlabeled container of acid is not a loss
[12/27/2019 8:49 PM] talkers
@aceat64 throwing it on the ground and causing a hazmat situation is
[12/27/2019 8:50 PM] yashsedai
So would it be possible that your viewpoint of community could be different than others and therefore possibly not the only right answer?
[12/27/2019 8:50 PM] aceat64
lol are you trying to blame the person who stumbled upon a dangerous and hazardous situation
[12/27/2019 8:50 PM] aceat64
AND NOT THE PERSON WHO CREATED THE SITUTATION
[12/27/2019 8:50 PM] yashsedai
I would likely suspect that it could have to do with your upbringing as well?
[12/27/2019 8:51 PM] aceat64
@john a gorman seriously, reword your sentence because I really hope you just misspoke
[12/27/2019 8:56 PM] aceat64
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[12/28/2019 12:48 AM] judykriehn3727
I feel compelled to defend Brandon’s screen name, since you seem to have forgotten exactly when/why he made that choice. We had MULTIPLE storage units that were mostly full of crap. Brandon invested many, many hours cutting apart stuff like a trebuchet (that he helped build in the first place) so it could fit into a plain old pickup truck to be schlepped back to DMS and dumpstered. This was the time frame when he adopted the dumpster filler label. It was what he did. Because few others were willing to spend time outside in the heat doing so.
[12/28/2019 1:03 AM] aceat64
John just wants to be negative towards people doing hard, unrewarding work that keeps the space running
[12/28/2019 1:07 AM] hon1nbo
I gotta speak up for Brandon here to (and for those that have seen my metal threads regarding expansion, I'm not exactly in favor of a lot of his stuff)
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[12/28/2019 6:40 AM] stephenie.
I remember that, @judy Kriehn. Brandon did yeoman's work that saved DMS hundreds of dollars per month in storage fees.
Logistics is a lynchpin that holds the Space together and keeps us functioning, often by enforcing rules so our resources (like storage space and common space) are available fairly to as many members as possible. Enforcement, especially without the buffer of arm's length relationships, is a thankless, high conflict duty. So in a situation between Logistics and a member over storage violations, I've got to support Logistics. The violator initiated the conflict by not honoring the system meant to keep things fair.
[12/28/2019 11:19 AM] kenpurcell
Saved on the order of $700 month!
[12/28/2019 11:25 AM] canibalcrab
We made logistics days a lot easier by getting rid of the storage units
[12/28/2019 1:54 PM] jackel7986
This seems silly. "Filler of Dumpsters" is just a screen name. I can see how it could be interpreted as an eagerness to throw out peoples work.
[12/28/2019 3:53 PM] nullinterface
@john a gorman
*But throwing things away is always a loss*
That's an absolute and absolutes have a tendency to fail when tested against reality.
Speaking as a former Logistics Chair, I can say that the organization benefits when *turnover* is swift. Given the propensity of a fraction of the membership to put far more energy into *acquisition* of materials than *completion* of projects, this further compounds the problem - especially when it's being stored in the organization's extremely finite space. Thus, from an organizational perspective, it is indeed better to throw away *some* materials.
There's also the nature of many of the materials being squirrelled away. While I can appreciate *reclaiming* material to go into high-value projects, much of it will just go into collages and the like - symbolically saving it from the landfill but doing nothing about the need to produce another thing. Honestly, a lot of the trash that goes onto the free shelf would be better transported to the likes of Scrap Denton where they have orders of magnitude more volume and variety than DMS for art projects.
[12/28/2019 3:57 PM] nullinterface
honestly, the period between the 2017-2018 board giving into the hoarders and declining to appoint Brandon and ~May 2019 was one of the workshop rapidly becoming useless so that a select few could camp out for indeterminate periods while everyone else couldn't find a place to work and forget about project storage
[12/28/2019 4:01 PM] nullinterface
meanwhile, the reality of Logistics, as evidenced by my logo from ~2016:
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[12/28/2019 4:01 PM] nullinterface
were I cleverer, the arrow between the dumpster and DMS would have been a ghost outline since that part of the process is hazier
[12/28/2019 4:26 PM] jackel7986
Extremely finite space? Someone told me that Dallas Makerspace was the largest space in this part of the world. I know some other spaces have areas to rent. Is that an option?
[12/28/2019 4:27 PM] aceat64
there's a few issues with renting space as a 501c3
[12/28/2019 4:27 PM] aceat64
first, we have to pay taxes on the income (unlike dues and donations)
[12/28/2019 4:28 PM] aceat64
second, we have to have someone manage it, which can be hard to do consistently with volunteers
[12/28/2019 4:28 PM] aceat64
third, we can better use that space with tooling
[12/28/2019 4:37 PM] aceat64
price-wise we'd need to be decently over $1/sqft (which is market rate for just storage)
[12/28/2019 4:37 PM] aceat64
which puts it decently outside of the range most anyone wants to pay anyway
[12/28/2019 4:37 PM] aceat64
likely ~$3/sqft/mo
[12/28/2019 4:40 PM] jackel7986
I suppose someone could just rent something from these people that run Acme Creation Lab. http://acmestudios.co/
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[12/28/2019 4:43 PM] aceat64
if storage is needed there are plenty of dedicated facilities nearby
[12/28/2019 4:43 PM] aceat64
at ~2000 members even if we had a large amount of floorspace dedicated for renting, it would only service a small percentage
[12/28/2019 4:44 PM] jackel7986
I might be interested soon in office space for a small business adjacent to some of the tools that I will be using.
[12/28/2019 4:45 PM] aceat64
there was a member who was sub-leasing office space nearby for a while, but I think his company moved
[12/28/2019 5:02 PM] nullinterface
work space is more valuable than storage, but storage is all but a necessity. thus, high-turnover storage is more valuable than low-turnover storage.
[12/28/2019 5:03 PM] nullinterface
we have a lot of square footage, but the overwhelming majority of it is needed as work space
[12/28/2019 5:09 PM] jackel7986
A work space that you do not have to be constantly moving that is also near the tools you use is also valuable, hence why I am looking to rent somewhere.
[12/28/2019 5:27 PM] nullinterface
there indeed is a conflict between the macro interests of the organization and the micro interests of individual members
[12/28/2019 5:29 PM] aceat64
you don't have to constantly move though, unless you mean between days/sessions, but that's always going to be the case in a shared workshop
[12/28/2019 5:30 PM] aceat64
usually when I'm working on something I spend the better part of a day working off one table, then pack it up when it's time to head home
[12/28/2019 5:30 PM] aceat64
during big stuff the short term storage is great, we used it for wasteland prep
[12/28/2019 5:31 PM] aceat64
build stuff for all day, store on the shelf, 2 weeks later we're done
[12/28/2019 5:33 PM] nullinterface
when I was Chair, I considered <90% utilization of storage to be the goal - a number that coincided with just enough availability that nearly all members could find a storage slot
[12/28/2019 5:35 PM] aceat64
yeah, I think the current balance is working pretty good, there's high utilization of storage, but always seems to be at least a few spaces open
[12/28/2019 5:36 PM] aceat64
previously it was always full with super long term projects
[12/28/2019 5:36 PM] nullinterface
yeah, mid 2017 - mid 2019 was awful for housekeeping
[12/28/2019 5:36 PM] jackel7986
The projects I typically work on can last months and I have no desire to attempt to pack up everything, every day especially when I am in the middle of something and need to leave. And I do understand the needs of the space being a shared workshop and being mainly for quick turn around projects. I'm trying to find a way to have make my cake and eat it as well haha
[12/28/2019 5:37 PM] jackel7986
But as I said I do not mind spending some amount of money.
[12/28/2019 5:37 PM] nullinterface
sounds like you need dedicated workspace
[12/28/2019 5:37 PM] jackel7986
Very much so.
[12/28/2019 5:38 PM] aceat64
yeah, shared workshop just won't work for that kind of project
[12/28/2019 5:38 PM] nullinterface
I built a shed in my back yard in 2018 and lost immense amounts of time cleaning up the worksite at the end of each workday so that my neighbor wouldn't piss and moan too much
[12/28/2019 5:38 PM] aceat64
sucks, but it is what is
[12/28/2019 5:41 PM] aceat64
I've got a friend who just built a _large_ workshop in his backyard and I'm very jealous
[12/28/2019 5:41 PM] nullinterface
I wish I'd been able to build larger, but *permits* add cost and complexity
[12/28/2019 5:41 PM] aceat64
of course he lives a good way outside the metroplex, so land is cheaper
[12/28/2019 5:42 PM] nullinterface
folks live on >5 acres in the countryside - *backyard gun range* is a reality
[12/28/2019 5:43 PM] aceat64
that would be nice, land, workshop, high speed internet
[12/28/2019 5:43 PM] aceat64
that last part is the hard part though
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[12/28/2019 5:43 PM] nullinterface
funny that. gigabit fiber is on the way.
[12/28/2019 5:44 PM] nullinterface
state-bankrolled initiative
[12/30/2019 8:29 AM] robert22
Day Porter is sick today
[12/31/2019 9:47 PM] robert22
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[12/31/2019 9:47 PM] dallas-makerspace#4763
There are currently 1976 members.
[1/4/2020 6:10 PM] hon1nbo
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[1/4/2020 6:11 PM] hon1nbo
Does logistics need another trash can?
[1/4/2020 6:11 PM] hon1nbo
We got metal ones to replace it since we kept putting holes in them
[1/4/2020 6:13 PM] canibalcrab
Sure
[1/4/2020 7:53 PM] hon1nbo
@pearce where do you want it?
[1/4/2020 7:54 PM] canibalcrab
anywhere where you cant see a trashcan
[1/5/2020 11:27 AM] canibalcrab
Do we need any extra vices on tables?
[1/5/2020 11:27 AM] canibalcrab
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[1/5/2020 11:34 AM] canibalcrab
Any chance I can get a pi nerd to pull the list of current users from the storage pi? @aceat64 @yashsedai
[1/5/2020 11:47 AM] canibalcrab
I'm dumb and forgot important things at home, will be at the space shortly for lobby cleaning
[1/5/2020 12:03 PM] aceat64
Yeah I can do it
[1/5/2020 1:28 PM] canibalcrab
Who wants to come hang some stuff on the walls ?
[1/5/2020 1:48 PM] mell.jpg
On my way for the workday. Will do whatever you tell me to.
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[1/5/2020 6:49 PM] hon1nbo
metal has extra 2" square tube we're planning to use for vises. Basically you use cheap receiver style mounts underneath the edge of tables, and you can install/pin in a vise and move it around
[1/5/2020 6:50 PM] hon1nbo
Wilton actually makes some already like that, though we can build them too
[1/5/2020 7:02 PM] canibalcrab
I think we missed the window on that sale so probably won't get them
[1/5/2020 11:38 PM] hon1nbo
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[1/9/2020 6:37 PM] hon1nbo
I'm putting one of these wises in Metal, and using these to mount them to tables (welding on the underside of them). These can also be added to the general workshop tables so food for thought: https://smile.amazon.com/CURT-49060-2-Inch-Trailer-Receiver/dp/B001GMZH5E/ref=sr_1_33
[1/12/2020 2:06 PM] canibalcrab
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[1/23/2020 11:43 PM] hardsuit
@pearce Just sent in an email to logistics requesting some temp floorspace for a TPF related project
[1/23/2020 11:44 PM] hardsuit
I can do some of the work in VECTOR, but once it's built out to the point of testing and adjustment it won't fit in there at all. Details in the email.
[1/25/2020 5:22 PM] alerho
Someone here to get stuff from purgatory. How does that happen.
[1/25/2020 5:23 PM] alerho
@pearce
[1/25/2020 5:23 PM] alerho
@logistics chair
[1/25/2020 5:36 PM] canibalcrab
They need to email me
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[1/25/2020 5:36 PM] canibalcrab
Logistics@dallasmakerspace.org
[1/25/2020 5:36 PM] canibalcrab
Sorry I was fixing a toilet
[1/25/2020 8:10 PM] yashsedai
was a shitty situation?
[1/25/2020 8:18 PM] canibalcrab
Thankfully no. Just the float system
[2/2/2020 1:58 PM] mell.jpg
On our way.
[2/9/2020 12:38 PM] canibalcrab
Going to be a little late, we are picking up more boxes from home Depot
[2/9/2020 12:38 PM] michaelb5250
When do things happen today?
[2/9/2020 12:44 PM] canibalcrab
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[2/9/2020 12:45 PM] canibalcrab
Clearing the closet and then filling it back up
[2/9/2020 1:54 PM] nullinterface
On the way, but will be late
[2/9/2020 1:58 PM] aceat64
Same
[2/9/2020 2:23 PM] canibalcrab
ETA 10 mins
[2/9/2020 2:28 PM] aceat64
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[2/9/2020 2:28 PM] aceat64
No car parts, and just above it... A spoiler
[2/9/2020 4:28 PM] aceat64
@michaelb is this your jacket on the table we used for logistics day?
[2/9/2020 5:11 PM] michaelb5250
Yup got it
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[3/1/2020 1:45 PM] nullinterface
Heading out for label-palooza
[3/1/2020 1:51 PM] canibalcrab
We are here
[3/1/2020 2:09 PM] mell.jpg
Be there in about 30.
[3/7/2020 5:32 PM] mell.jpg
Just an FYI, Alex is taking stuff home today from project storage and there are two boxes in his spot that are not his that we'll obviously be leaving. But they've been there for at least a few days. Label says Alper Gelogullari.
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[3/7/2020 6:52 PM] canibalcrab
Got it
[3/7/2020 6:52 PM] canibalcrab
Thanks
[3/8/2020 11:38 AM] canibalcrab
I could use some volunteers to put up some pallet racks while we do storage today. In the long run it will help clear out the clusterfuck that is vertical storage
[3/8/2020 1:16 PM] skyspook
I'll be there around 3 if you want the help
[3/8/2020 1:20 PM] canibalcrab
Sounds good
[3/8/2020 2:11 PM] michaelb5250
Something's wrong here...
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[3/8/2020 2:25 PM] skyspook
Reading is for chumps
[3/8/2020 3:18 PM] aceat64
They just read the line that says "chemicals, paints, thinners" and assumed that's where paint goes
[3/8/2020 4:40 PM] canibalcrab
Got some racks up to elevate some of the 102 committee storage
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[3/8/2020 4:41 PM] canibalcrab
And had to move a bunch stuff to purgatory since everyone decided to retag
[3/8/2020 4:43 PM] canibalcrab
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[3/8/2020 5:00 PM] hon1nbo
IMHO, we do need a bigger sign or more concise language. That thing is dense so no one will read it
[3/8/2020 5:22 PM] canibalcrab
We need to make the flats for the pallet racks, the silver trays don't fit them, but once we do we can clean up some of the storage in 102
[3/8/2020 5:22 PM] canibalcrab
Rewriting it for lazy people is on my list, but not high priority.
[3/8/2020 5:23 PM] canibalcrab
The verbage in the email that got sent to offenders is very direct and tells people they can't just retag the items.
[3/8/2020 6:23 PM] hon1nbo
I'm referring to the freebie shelf sign
[3/8/2020 6:23 PM] hon1nbo
the storage rules are all over and pretty clear
[3/11/2020 1:52 PM] canibalcrab
Does anyone here want to be added to the logistics emails and @team_logistics tag on talk? You would be helping field questions about why people's stuff got off sited (because they can't read)
If so please send me a PM telling me you understand the storage rules and I'll get you setup
[3/11/2020 2:17 PM] yashsedai
but i dont understand storage rules
[3/11/2020 2:18 PM] canibalcrab
Yer fired
[3/11/2020 3:51 PM] ferricyanide7475
i still need to be added to @team_science. Though on my less busy work days if its just answering emails I can do that, so long as i dont have to download anything on my work computer.
[3/11/2020 4:17 PM] nullinterface
hm, did I remove myself from that list or did it just happen in the murky period before May of 2019?
[3/11/2020 4:21 PM] sewingstuff2561
I don’t feel my response of “because you’re dumb and either ignorantly or willfully disobeyed really basic rules” would be welcome on team logistics.
[3/11/2020 4:24 PM] yashsedai
but it would be truthful!
[3/11/2020 4:24 PM] yashsedai
this group doesn't like truth though @Draco
[3/15/2020 11:49 AM] canibalcrab
If you see a list on the supply closet post a picture of it please
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[6/4/2020 5:37 AM] robert22
We could use some of these
[6/4/2020 7:15 AM] yashsedai
lol what for?
[6/4/2020 8:34 AM] canibalcrab
Yeah I'm not sure what use we would get out of them
[6/4/2020 8:35 AM] michaelb5250
I would've thrown one behind the laser yesterday when it started leaking. Doesn't happen all that often though
[6/28/2020 6:54 PM] hardsuit
Hey guys. We have someone with highly toxic solvent based inks and cleaners setting up in the Printmaking area to do some screen printing. I've taped off the offending supplies and labeled them as such, but we don't know who they belong to.
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[6/28/2020 8:30 PM] quattroquattro
There was a kid printing around 11:30 am today. Don't know who it was but that's their stuff
[6/28/2020 8:31 PM] quattroquattro
May be able to look at the video and check badges around that time
[6/28/2020 8:45 PM] hon1nbo
Yeah it's on my list when I get back to my workstation and pull up the full camera interface. Johnny blujacket was around that morning and might know who they are
[6/28/2020 10:02 PM] hardsuit
Thanks, appreciated.
[6/28/2020 10:04 PM] hardsuit
Labels actually say "Harmful to aquatic life with long lasting effects" as the first line. We definitely do not want people using this stuff here, let alone trying to wash it down the sink during cleanup.
[7/14/2020 1:52 AM] hon1nbo
Brady Combined Lockout And Lock Box Station, Legend "Safety Lockout Center", Includes 6 Safety Padlocks , Yellow - 99709 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003XU7HUA/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_i_lxvdFbZ8AG368
[7/14/2020 1:53 AM] hon1nbo
I'd like to see something like this at DMS. Not just to make finding the gear easier, but instructional signage on use and the key drop on the bottom. We could put a lock accessible to the DnO on the key drop, so when a member locks something the key can be dropped and later pulled for when a committee does repairs / services the equipment.
[7/14/2020 1:56 AM] canibalcrab
toss a proposal up on the meeting, doesnt seem unreasonable
[7/14/2020 11:03 AM] hon1nbo
when's the next logistics one?
[7/14/2020 11:03 AM] hon1nbo
I don't got all the meeting dates memorised 😛
[7/14/2020 12:31 PM] slinkygn
possibly dumb question: is there now screen-printing ink that *isn't* highly toxic?
[7/14/2020 12:32 PM] slinkygn
Fiance's family owns a print shop, got the tour years ago -- things may have changed since then
[7/14/2020 12:32 PM] slinkygn
usedtabe that stuff was just highly toxic, period.
[7/14/2020 12:34 PM] judykriehn3727
Yeah, they have developed soy-based inks and water-based inks that are considered green. Not that I’d wanna lick the can, or anything, but...
Astrud and Paul are pretty adamant about not using toxic inks.
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[7/14/2020 2:52 PM] slinkygn
Sweet! That's pretty cool. Performance issues are pretty manageable, I'd imagine?
[7/14/2020 2:52 PM] slinkygn
Soy is a particularly good idea for that.
[7/14/2020 3:26 PM] canibalcrab
I mean board meeting
[7/14/2020 3:26 PM] canibalcrab
Because they control spending of logistics funds
[7/14/2020 3:29 PM] hon1nbo
true
[7/14/2020 6:27 PM] judykriehn3727
> Sweet! That's pretty cool. Performance issues are pretty manageable, I'd imagine?
@slinkygn (George)
[7/14/2020 6:30 PM] judykriehn3727
Well, that would be subjective I think. When I participated in the Steamroller Printing event in Deep Ellum last year, the organizer had water-based ink donated by Speedball. It was nice to work with, but when you are inking a block that is 30” x 48”, and the temps are in the 90’s in the shade, getting a good black is tough due to the ink drying.
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[7/14/2020 9:05 PM] doug.emes
A tshirt is 10% of that size... so either have alot more friends help at the same time, or do it NOT in summer sun
[7/14/2020 11:59 PM] judykriehn3727
Exactly. Mileage may vary, based on working conditions. Silk-screening on the multi-head press in an air-conditioned space is pretty much easy street.
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[7/18/2020 11:19 PM] michaelb5250
Hey I don't know if we just moved stuff somewhere else, but I can't find any paper towels in the supply closet. Just fyi
[7/18/2020 11:33 PM] judykriehn3727
Beth posted on TALK this same thing. Brad responded that there were two rolls in the closet, but asked if we were also out of z-fold. Are we out of both?
[7/18/2020 11:39 PM] michaelb5250
All I found was a half stack of square napkins. No rolls, cintas bemeoths, or z folds. I'm notoriously bad at spotting things but I think we're well and truly out.
[7/27/2020 3:04 PM] canibalcrab
I want to make a universal storage "form" for the space. What are some of the various reason someone would need to temporarily store something at the space outside of a storage shelf?
Drying/curing
Glue up with DMS clamps
Left for parts/food
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[7/27/2020 3:50 PM] judykriehn3727
Running back and forth between different committee areas? I’ve observed people going back and forth between Woodshop and CA. Max has commented on printing a prototype, then casting in resin.
[7/27/2020 3:53 PM] canibalcrab
I don't think trips around the space merit a tag on the items
[7/27/2020 3:57 PM] michaelb5250
Can't be bothered to move it? Should just put a box for that and see who checks it off.
[9/11/2020 9:36 PM] michaelb5250
Do we have paper towels? Need some to clean up Donner
[9/11/2020 9:44 PM] hon1nbo
check the supply closet. If all else fails shop towels in the machine shop on the side of the black toolchest
[9/11/2020 9:56 PM] michaelb5250
Supply closet was empty but there was one roll in the hot water heater room so I grabbed that. Thanks.
[9/14/2020 1:13 PM] hardsuit
Are there still 4'*4' sheets of plywood sitting around from the work table construction?
[9/14/2020 1:14 PM] hardsuit
If so would like to grab a few to build the streaming cart instead of buying new sheets
[9/14/2020 1:23 PM] hon1nbo
@pearce I recall there being a number of full sheets too.
Additionally @Hardsuit if you get with me we can lay out some hemmed sheet metal corners as well to make the edges smoother and more resilient for as it inevitably runs into doors
[9/14/2020 1:32 PM] hardsuit
@hon1nbo (k/j/t) exsilium I'll hit you up once I have the design locked down a bit.
[9/14/2020 1:33 PM] hardsuit
It should be pretty smooth and tight to begin with, I'll be using routed lock miter joints on the long plywood corner edges plus a small round over after it's glued up and dried.
[9/14/2020 1:34 PM] hardsuit
Not gonna just do butt joints with Kregg screws. 😐
[9/14/2020 3:19 PM] canibalcrab
I think they may have been used. I'll have to look when I get in
[9/14/2020 5:55 PM] canibalcrab
Man when did Costco switch back to 1 pack of paper towels and toilet paper per person
[9/14/2020 5:56 PM] skyspook
It goes back and forth depending on demand
[9/14/2020 5:56 PM] skyspook
Supply chains are still screwed up
[9/14/2020 5:56 PM] canibalcrab
It's really annoying
[9/14/2020 5:56 PM] aceat64
weird, I haven't seen any shortages for a good while now
[9/14/2020 5:56 PM] canibalcrab
Yeah
[9/14/2020 5:56 PM] aceat64
every time I've gone to Kroger for the last like 3 months they've had stock
[9/14/2020 5:57 PM] aceat64
although they don't seem to sell the BIG packages of toilet paper anymore
[9/14/2020 5:57 PM] skyspook
I just heard about spotty ones happening. Just weirdness with different areas of raw materials
[9/14/2020 5:57 PM] aceat64
one of the somewhat unavoidable consequences of just in time inventory management
[9/14/2020 5:57 PM] aceat64
there's virtually no buffers
[9/14/2020 5:58 PM] aceat64
highly efficient but much less redundancy/resiliency
[9/14/2020 8:19 PM] hardsuit
@pearce Thanks, appreciate you checking on that.
[9/19/2020 3:29 PM] hardsuit
There are 3-4 full sheets of 1/2" birch ply in vertical storage, and almost a dozen in a stack under the big pallet shelving in the new auto area in the North warehouse. Are any of those available? New 2 sheets max, probably more like 1-1/2 sheets
[9/19/2020 3:43 PM] canibalcrab
Post pics to verify, but should be good with the sheets on pallets. Vertical is likely woodshops for multicam
[9/19/2020 5:07 PM] hon1nbo
Over in vertical Some is actually logistics but some is woodshop. I recall it was moved to save some of the floorspace next door
[9/19/2020 5:08 PM] hon1nbo
The greenish veneer stuff is woodshop a for sure, and IIRC when it was put there a slot or two of gap was left to separate all the woodshop stuff from logistics stuff
[9/19/2020 5:15 PM] canibalcrab
Right
[9/23/2020 9:02 PM] hardsuit
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[9/23/2020 9:03 PM] hardsuit
12 sheets of 1/2" Baltic birch ply in the stack here in the North warehouse area
[9/23/2020 9:04 PM] canibalcrab
Go for it
[9/23/2020 9:05 PM] hardsuit
Cool, thanks
[9/23/2020 9:32 PM] hardsuit
Gonna be ok to store stuff for a day or so in vertical storage as I do the assembly?
[9/23/2020 9:47 PM] canibalcrab
there is fine
[9/23/2020 9:54 PM] hardsuit
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[1/3/2021 5:15 PM] digikey007
Do we Still have a Storage unit for the lost and found items not at DMS?
[1/3/2021 5:16 PM] canibalcrab
the lost and found shelf is located in the common room
[1/4/2021 6:05 PM] judykriehn3727
And no, we have no storage units offsite anymore. They were all vacated about a year ago.
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[2/27/2021 6:54 AM] robert22
do we need more batteries?
[2/28/2021 1:16 PM] kenpurcell
always, someone should put on next agenda https://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors_Meeting_20210303
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[4/6/2021 9:17 AM] nullinterface
Everyone's got ideas. But no one has commitment.
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/petition-to-reopen-project-storage-please/79990
[4/6/2021 9:34 AM] nullinterface
my read as a former logistics chair - the present system only works with unreasonable amounts of labor on the part of too few volunteers and this situation will always endure so long as storage is 'free' to users. use of storage has to 'cost' something and the labor for dealing with those who violate rules needs to be reduced. I'm personally all for punishing flagrant violations of the rules with summarily tossing stuff, loss of storage privileges, suspensions.
[4/6/2021 10:40 AM] kenpurcell
I agree there should be a cost, taking money for storage might get sticky once we have to throw away their $200 burl wood. So as you suggest a 'token' is probably better pathway. Wonder if we can get a light system like the parking at Nebraska Furniture Mart. I think we may have enough LEDs in the Orange Classroom. Get on it electronics! 😉
[4/6/2021 10:50 AM] hon1nbo
Might be worth considering a hackathon with a local university or something to develop it
[4/6/2021 10:51 AM] hon1nbo
scan at kiosk; kiosk checks if the desired slot is marked available, slot is assigned.
[4/6/2021 10:53 AM] hon1nbo
edge cases to consider:
* do we put sensors on slots, honour the time granted even if it's been emptied, or keep with volunteers removing things past time? With volunteers at least it's plainly visible that it's past time.
* what happens when someone puts something in and it's unaccounted for? Treat it like we currently treat project storage? Do we provide logistics an interface to manually dock tokens?
These are things we account for in the current system manually, but if we want to get value out of it then there should be a process for using this system to the fullest extent with the current process. Otherwise the tokens become meaningless pretty fast
[4/6/2021 11:13 AM] nullinterface
there will need to be rules tweaks to *draw a perimeter* around the limits of automation
[4/6/2021 11:14 AM] nullinterface
to be blunt, the MF'ers that ignore, flaunt, or *conveniently re-interpret* the rules should be punished so the norms around storage change
[4/6/2021 11:39 AM] canibalcrab
non of the automation ideas cover the manual labor involved in removal and processing, storage, retrieval, and tossing of items that's the biggest time sink
[4/6/2021 12:08 PM] michaelb5250
We'll just build a big pallet retrieval type thing in front of the storage shelves, it can pull them when they expire and trebuchet them into the dumpster.
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[4/6/2021 12:10 PM] canibalcrab
finally a use for those arms
[4/6/2021 12:17 PM] themitch22
Ironically we got rid of our trebuchet because of storage
[4/6/2021 12:18 PM] themitch22
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[4/6/2021 12:19 PM] themitch22
I bet even these robots would get burned out volunteering
[4/6/2021 12:31 PM] aceat64
no robot company in their right mind would want to test their systems at DMS, because it would be too brutal of a stress test 🤣
[4/6/2021 12:31 PM] aceat64
"they did WHAT do the arm?!"
[4/6/2021 12:32 PM] hon1nbo
oh of course not; it's just an idea for implementing a soft-cost. The whole "there's a different mentality when something is limited/cost constrained versus free for all"
[4/6/2021 12:33 PM] aceat64
we're so hard on tools/equipment anything that lasts a year at DMS is basically indestructible for any other environments
[4/6/2021 12:33 PM] yashsedai
the crux of this whole issue is about entitlement
[4/6/2021 12:33 PM] yashsedai
nobody is entitled to continually abuse the labor force
[4/6/2021 12:33 PM] yashsedai
DOWN WITH PROJECT STORAGE
[4/6/2021 12:33 PM] yashsedai
*looks for torches and a lynch mob*
[4/6/2021 12:36 PM] yashsedai
down with the bourgeoisie!
[4/6/2021 12:36 PM] yashsedai
oh wait, wrong issue 😛
[4/6/2021 1:09 PM] kenpurcell
It was either Pearce or Erik that suggested a slow conveyor belt straight to the dumpster. I ❤️ Conveyor!
[4/6/2021 1:38 PM] andrew5152
I thought that was Brooks vs. Refrigerator, initially...
[4/7/2021 2:37 PM] nullinterface
True - idea is to reduce the administrative burden and - eventually - by making storage 'cost' something users stop abandoning crap
[4/7/2021 2:38 PM] nullinterface
or basically what hon1nbo said yesterday
[4/7/2021 2:38 PM] nullinterface
change norms and make the shelpping once - to the dumpster
[4/7/2021 2:39 PM] nullinterface
force the hoarders to move on
[4/7/2021 2:39 PM] nullinterface
force everyone else to be more productive with the slots they 'rent'
[4/7/2021 2:42 PM] nullinterface
also - I'm sure there are plenty of ~~disingenuous sacks of sh_t~~ *sophists* that argue the plain language of storage rules don't mean what they mean or that they qualify for some special snowflake exemption because reasons
[4/7/2021 2:43 PM] canibalcrab
I'm special because my great grandma died and I need another extension
[4/7/2021 2:44 PM] canibalcrab
no not that grandma the other one
[4/7/2021 2:44 PM] nullinterface
paternal godmother's sister's daughter's maternal grandmother-in-law
[4/7/2021 2:45 PM] nullinterface
or *you should have used my **actual** email address that's not on file*
[4/7/2021 2:46 PM] nullinterface
I'm not against reasonable exceptions, but there were ... frequent fliers ... during my time
[4/7/2021 3:02 PM] nullinterface
@A. Spencer(jast) drama had a special place in Brooks' heart, for sure
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[4/7/2021 3:08 PM] canibalcrab
we used the emails that they put on the sheet
[4/7/2021 3:08 PM] canibalcrab
fuck em
[4/7/2021 3:35 PM] kenpurcell
Wonder if the city would allow a huge bonfire out back? 🔥
[4/7/2021 10:15 PM] gtometich
I used to feel bad about using a storage spot for over a week, silly me...
[4/7/2021 11:32 PM] hardsuit
Small section of paid storage bins, part of the rent is *required* hours maintaining the freebie area
[4/7/2021 11:33 PM] hardsuit
You don't put in the hours or don't leave at end of rental period (no extensions), immediate dumpster and ban from any storage use for specified time period?
[4/8/2021 1:52 PM] canibalcrab
can't mandate volunteer hours as payment or punishment
[4/8/2021 3:18 PM] nullinterface
eh, could possibly engineer a system where hours could be *but one form of payment*, but administering such a program is fraught with peril
[4/8/2021 3:30 PM] canibalcrab
right that requires mandatory volunteer hours from the person managing the forced "volunteer"
[6/7/2021 3:59 PM] nullinterface
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/freebie-shelf-proposal-for-2021-6-9-bod-meeting/81407/15
everyone wants the free shelf, but they don't realize the terrible terrible yield on the free shelf nor how much just-barely-not-garbage (read: garbage) that it accumulates
[6/7/2021 4:01 PM] canibalcrab
and boy
[6/7/2021 4:01 PM] canibalcrab
Those twitchy OCD types
[6/7/2021 4:01 PM] nullinterface
yeah. them. fuck 'em.
[6/7/2021 4:01 PM] yashsedai
lol
[6/7/2021 4:01 PM] canibalcrab
coming from the person who has multiple cars filled to the brim with garbage
[6/7/2021 4:02 PM] nullinterface
aye
[6/7/2021 4:04 PM] nullinterface
people need to get comfortable with the idea that *consumer crap gets landfilled* and just because you make a collage out of discarded bits you're not saving the world
[6/7/2021 4:06 PM] nullinterface
my bucket of random fasteners, sure, *if someone wants to spend a couple hours sorting them*. but if your time is worth anything at all you're going to figure out that you could just work a job and buy 10-100x as much new in the same amount of time.
[6/8/2021 12:01 PM] nullinterface
Free shelf : the epicenter of DMS slacktivism
[6/8/2021 12:02 PM] andrew5152
ahem
member exchange shelf
[6/8/2021 12:02 PM] nullinterface
an active member exchange G2G has been deemed *unworkable*
[6/8/2021 12:03 PM] andrew5152
by ONE person...
[6/8/2021 12:03 PM] andrew5152
if you build it, they will come...
[6/8/2021 12:03 PM] andrew5152
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[6/8/2021 12:05 PM] nullinterface
there's some legal principle I can't quite google that's similar to the doctrine of first sale (which relates to copyright) whose TL;DR is that there are normally no conditions you can put on the sale of ordinary physical assets *after the sale has been executed*
[6/8/2021 12:06 PM] nullinterface
thus 'shelf aficionados that want to see their cast-offs *go to a good home* forsake expectation of that outcome when they surrender custody of the item(s) to another party
[6/8/2021 12:08 PM] nullinterface
but back to the G2G- I'm serious that if someone organizes a day and I'm free I'll put together quite the collection of odds-and-ends that someone might find useful. lots of hardware, misc Tanner's/Fred's stuff, a bucket of assorted fasteners, secondhand tools I don't use.
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[6/8/2021 12:09 PM] andrew5152
I....will NOT be that organizer...
[6/8/2021 12:10 PM] nullinterface
I won't either because I'm not passionate about items that I've effectively discarded ... not being discarded
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[8/26/2021 1:06 PM] robert22
Cintas First Aid just called me that they have not been paid I sent them to admin email
[8/26/2021 1:09 PM] skyspook
Thanks. One day Cintas will get their act together. Today is not that day.
[8/26/2021 1:22 PM] yashsedai
lulz
[8/27/2021 2:42 PM] kenpurcell
i thought they were fired?
[8/27/2021 2:42 PM] skyspook
Supplies was
[8/27/2021 2:43 PM] skyspook
We still have Cintas Fire and First Aid
[8/27/2021 2:43 PM] skyspook
Completely separate companies, if you'd believe it.
[8/27/2021 2:43 PM] skyspook
First Aid has been pretty good, probably something to do with the new payment stuff. @Bizwacky should be able to handle it.
[9/6/2021 4:38 PM] robert22
https://www.directtoolsoutlet.com/Products/RYOBI-1-Piece-Steel-Wall-Mounted-Hanging-Cabinet/p/STH401
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[9/6/2021 4:39 PM] robert22
Kind of a cool product
[9/6/2021 5:10 PM] yashsedai
I agree
[9/6/2021 5:11 PM] yashsedai
Inspiration for creating similar but bigger
[9/7/2021 7:58 AM] nullinterface
wait - people will pay for CRTs? Clearly we just need to *sell* the ones that appear on the 'shelf!
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[9/7/2021 8:24 AM] baitsyb8c
I'm surprised it's not "i will give you $25 to dispose of this"
[9/7/2021 8:24 AM] baitsyb8c
||LMAO "great for gaming" 🤣||
[9/7/2021 8:34 AM] themitch22
There's seriously a market now for CRTs but the RGB security monitors and trinitrons. There's a low latency HDMI mod for each old console now or proper emulation so I'm not buying it. Last crt I pulled from the free shelf was awesome for my N64 but it was still a 20lb space waster but another gamer friend took it from me.
[10/31/2021 4:59 PM] canibalcrab
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[10/31/2021 5:00 PM] canibalcrab
@yashsedai if we need lots of batteries
[10/31/2021 5:00 PM] yashsedai
Nice!
[10/31/2021 5:00 PM] canibalcrab
yeah that's a good deal even if it's 2 hour batts
[10/31/2021 5:01 PM] canibalcrab
north flex area could use those since they don't need the super oomph
[11/1/2021 1:21 AM] hardsuit
Is there any info on when the copier/printer in the common room might get it's next service?
[11/1/2021 1:23 AM] hardsuit
It's basically out of black toner, most of the color units are asking for servicing, and pretty sure it needs a thorough internal cleaning with the loose toner that shows up on print borders
[11/1/2021 1:11 PM] yashsedai
i'll check on it
[11/7/2021 2:41 AM] denzuko
Been trying to track down a few packages. Did any show up with my name on them?
[11/7/2021 10:43 AM] skyspook
Not that I know of - got a weird one yesterday addressed to "Steve Steve" though
[11/8/2021 5:02 PM] denzuko
they would have been small, might been addressed to vintage computer which was a mis-print.
[11/9/2021 9:03 PM] canibalcrab
ants by front door
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[11/9/2021 9:04 PM] skyspook
If you have time, there's some diatomaceous earth on top of the cabinet by the ceramics sink. Otherwise I'll sprinkle some tomorrow
[11/9/2021 9:05 PM] canibalcrab
can do
[11/9/2021 9:05 PM] skyspook
Thanks!
[11/9/2021 9:07 PM] themitch22
invite the ants to volunteer with the expansion
[11/9/2021 9:08 PM] skyspook
Looks like they're doing pretty well to me
[11/9/2021 9:08 PM] themitch22
I don't think the city and landlord approved of that construction.
[11/9/2021 9:09 PM] skyspook
Ants don't have time for bureaucracy
[11/9/2021 9:09 PM] themitch22
somebody will have a problem with that do-ocracy
[11/9/2021 9:10 PM] skyspook
I'mma do what board members do - kill the initiative with meddling
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[11/9/2021 10:13 PM] yashsedai
lolololol
[11/9/2021 10:13 PM] yashsedai
you guys crack me up
[11/9/2021 11:39 PM] canibalcrab
the bag and I didn't agree on what "sprinkle" was
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[11/10/2021 8:07 AM] skyspook
lol
[11/10/2021 8:07 AM] skyspook
Well thank you! Hopefully they like it
[12/21/2021 2:37 PM] canibalcrab
I'm still having to hunt down wasps in the north flex area
[12/21/2021 2:42 PM] aceat64
probably best to get an exterminator out
[12/21/2021 2:44 PM] aceat64
likely there's a nest up in the drop ceiling
[3/26/2022 9:22 PM] aceat64
so I got bored and wrote up an automated system manage project storage
[3/26/2022 9:22 PM] aceat64
https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/t/curious-about-infrastructure-at-dms/85429/13?u=andrewlecody
[3/26/2022 9:22 PM] aceat64
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[3/28/2022 2:29 PM] pondit
Hello all! I want to build a nice dining room table but won’t be able to complete it in a single weekend, I will be in the space every day working on it and it won’t ever be in a main traffic area, is there a way to get the okay beforehand to leave it overnight for around 2 weeks if I am there every day and my name and phone number are listed next to the project? Thanks for helping me figure it out (it will be basically impossible for me to move all the wood or the table every night as I’m working on the project; or I wouldn’t ask)
[3/28/2022 2:35 PM] aceat64
currently project storage isn't available, I wrote some software to try and get it automated (one of the big sticking points with the previous system was the amount of volunteer labor needed), but it hasn't been rolled out yet
[3/28/2022 2:35 PM] aceat64
so as far as I'm aware there's no storage currently
[3/28/2022 5:57 PM] pondit
is there nothing that can be done? im trying to appeal for some kind of acception so I can work on my project, I can keep it in the back out of the way, Im not looking to store it for any length of time and Ill be there working on it every day.
[3/28/2022 6:09 PM] kenpurcell
Unfortunately we do not have space for several members to leave big projects out while they are in process. If your were to make an appeal I would approach the board of directors. They are the only ones that have the leeway you seek.
[3/28/2022 6:09 PM] canibalcrab
email admin@dallasmakerspace.org to hit up the board about it
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[3/28/2022 6:18 PM] pondit
Thank you
[4/6/2022 7:30 PM] aceat64
good news, the old storage kiosk hardware still works
[4/6/2022 7:30 PM] aceat64
I cleaned all the dust off it
[9/20/2022 10:46 PM] nullinterface
Dunno if anyone is monitoring logistics@dms but I sent an inquiry that way. Nothing urgent.
[9/21/2022 9:12 AM] andrew5152
that @Skyspook dude should be getting them...
[9/21/2022 11:51 AM] jphelps
I've added a few more folks to that group today so that more folks are in the loop on those moving forward.
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